November 12, 2025 • 60 mins
The guys will be discussing the preview of Wednesday's Flyers matchup against the Edmonton Oilers. The Flyers have lost their last game against the Ottawa Senators in Overtime. Will the Flyers be able to rebound against one of the best teams in the West? In the second half, the boys will be discussing Matvei Michkov’s slow start to the year, as well as some comments Captain Sean Couturier made in a post game interview. Don’t miss the conversation. Be sure to drop your comments in the chat and be a part of the show and make sure you hit that like and subscribe wherever you watch or listen to Flyers Talk A2D!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, everybody, what's good. It's Tuesday night, it's your boys,
It's Flyers Talk a two day tonight we are talking
Flyers Oilers preview tomorrow night, seven point thirty at the
Xfinity Mobile Arena. We're also gonna talk tonight. Teunk Terry
had some interesting conversation or at least talking points in
(00:21):
a post game about teammate may matt Vey Mitchikoff. We're
gonna discuss that, what was said, how it should be interpreted.
Did the media twist it like they usually twist everything else?
All that? More so hit that, like hit that, subscribe.
It is time to go talk some puck. Let's go
(00:42):
start the conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Welcome lindies and gentlemen to a brand new edition of
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with the Broken one.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Ra Hey fan, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
And as you see over there the Dark Wing Brian Daily, you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Went out of order?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I did? I did?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know how to be fair?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Though we are also in a different spot on the
screen as you can tell as well. Anyway we are. Yeah,
I don't know. It's a good question, very good question.
This whole thing is out of order. It really is
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do pain free. The whole question for to a day
and that we have for everybody out there in the fan,
is the Flyers can really swing momentum in their favor
with a big win over the Oilers at home. Agree
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or disagree, now, obviously, the Flyers they have been coming
off some wins. They had a strong win against Nashville
that was a little rough at the beginning, but they
hunkered back down, they got things under control and they
wound up taking charge in that game and very very
(03:04):
well done. So I will definitely say that this is
definitely the type of team that they can get down,
but they're never out. And I mean, hell, the game
we live reacted to against Montreal, the momentum swung right
back into their favor in the third period, or you know,
(03:27):
if they're winning the damn thing. So I'm just saying
right now, folks, if you are hoping and praying for
this team, there's a they're listening. They're listening, and they
seem to be able to swing that momentum in their favor. So,
with that being said, if they manage to get a
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big win against Connor McDavid and his Edvonton Euler's, does
that truly swing the momentum in their favor with a
big win? Gentlemen, do you agree or do you disagree
with this poll?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, I will say this, Rick tockets right in step
with you in terms of admiring the resiliency of this
group and that was built upon what was built here
initially by Danny B. Keith Jones and towards now continues
to take that next step and showing even further resiliency
to putting off that pretty tidy record at this point,
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in the early season. But I'll do an uncharacteristic thing
and jump in here. Boys, I'm gonna it's a slam
dunk of greed because when you're talking about facing Edmonton Oilers, right,
who aren't as high as they normally are in the standings,
as we've accustomed to, but it is early and they're
still got eighteen points on the young season. They're a
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true test. They're scoring machine, they're scoring dynamo. It's going
to be a really big test for this young flyer squad,
a young flyer squad that has given up the second
fewest goals in the NHL, showing that defensive pro clivity
that Tackett showed with his team in Vancouver bringing that
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system over here to Philadelphia. So I think this is
a good benchmark game. I love that it's at home
right between and you could really fire up a crowd,
right that, despite a pretty good start to the season, Bryan,
people don't seem satisfied.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, I don't get it. I mean, yeah, I wavered
a little bit last week just because you know, it's early.
It's it's so early in the season and there's still
so much more story to go in this in this season.
But you know, with the way that they're playing. I mean,
we talked about a little bit last week. Defensively, they've
been pretty secure all season long, with La Dars playing
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really strong in net right now. But sam Rison does
need to pick up his end of the slack. But
I mean, he looked better against I believe he played Ottawa.
He did look a little bit better at the shaky
first period. But I mean to the poll, I mean,
I I too handedly agree the this is such a
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huge It would be such a huge win for them,
especially being one of the stronger defensive teams in the
league this year. Depending on who's in that unfortunately, will
determine how many goals are given up in a game.
But I mean, for the most part, they've been really
sound offensively because of tacket system, a lot of guys
are playing really strong two way hockey. For me, a
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really good way to get momentum on their side and
get this win is staying out of the box. That's
something that's been really hard for them this year. They've
been on discipline. Especially one of my favorite guys in
Trevor Ziegres, has been a little he's been a little
wiry this year, so you know, they gotta they gotta
maintain some kind of discipline against this team. Oilers every
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year have one of the best power plays and it's
because of two guys mainly, but they have so many
weapons you got to see out of the box that
could hopefully create some strong momentum as far as you know,
being able to play more five on five because anytime
you're you're taking four or five penalties a game, you're
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playing behind the EPO and it's always going to be
harder to climb out of that hole. But for me,
get the first Bowl. But I agree this this could
be an absolute massive momentum swing for them if they
can beat the Oilers on homew homarn It.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I will say that if if they can beat the Oilers,
then I mean, honestly, that's definitely a massive momentum boost.
But uh, you know, I did I I will say
I have heard people talk complain about the Flyers, you know,
and it's like, what what more do you need from
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these guys? Like what do you need from them? Like, yeah,
I get it. I understand that this team has been frustrating.
I mean they've been frustrating for a very long time. Well,
past these last few seasons, but it's like, what more
do you need from these guys? It's like they're off
to a good start, they've been playing strong hockey, they've
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been resilient. Games that they would have easily lost last
year they've come back in. So it's like, what more
do you need from these guys right now? You know, like,
I understand we are all starving for the playoffs, We're
all starving for success. I get it, but it's like,
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can we be satisfied with the small victories just a
little bit, just a little bit. Let's give them a
little bit of credit for how resilient they've been and
how strong they've been with some of these wins, and
they haven't been easy teams that they've beaten. Montreal is
not an easy team. Nashville's not an easy team. I mean,
come on, let's give a little bit of acknowledgment here.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, Maddie. And to your point, like most of
the teams that you need, they're young and upcoming teams too,
so it's not like they're there. It's it's not like
they're they're facing a team like Colorado or Edmonton where
they're they're veterans, like they're these are teams that are
just as hungry as the Flyers are.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Mm hmm. Yeah. And there's something to be said for
the fact that, you know a team that isn't allowing
themselves to get down on themselves. They're actually just picking
the pace up and saying, hey, we can win this.
Like the fact that they were able to do that
should say something to you because the last couple of seasons,
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this was a team that when they got down in
a game, there was a certain point where you figured, Okay,
they're not coming back. Like it's not that they would
give up, it's just that they're the finish wasn't there
and it wasn't working. And now all of a sudden
we're seeing some results. It's great, and and now it's like,
(10:03):
let's give them some credit for it, just a little bit,
just a little.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, I I agree to an extent, Like, I mean,
they deserve a ton of credit. They are a team
that is could really go either way this year. They
could find their way into a playoff spot or battling
for a playoff spot. I mean there I believe they're
currently in one, if not just outside of it. They're
(10:33):
getting a bit of a grasp on tackets system now,
and guys are starting to come through. I mean, you
still need some guys to step up and start scoring
some goals, guys like tk uh You, as much as
I don't really want to throw his name out there
because he's still a kid and still so much learning
(10:53):
so much about the game of hockey, is is mitchkov
I mean, obviously you have high standards for some of
these guys and they're not performance, so I could understand
where some of the frustrations coming in for them. But
the thing that we still have to remember, we're We're
not even fifteen games in yet, so there's still a
lot of hockey left be played. So there's a lot
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to be happy about with this team, but there's still
a decent amount to kind of be upset with and say, hey,
they need to do this better, they need to do
that better, we need to rely on this guy more
and that guy. Right, But to your point, I agree,
there is a lot that this team has shown this year,
mainly the resiliency that a lot of people should should
(11:37):
be should be happy about right.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Now, don't get me wrong. Yeah, and there are a
couple of players that I'd like to see do a
little bit more, produce a little bit more, step up
a little bit more. And there's also some concerning things.
I mean, obviously the worry of Sam Erson that was
brought up by you, Briy. I totally understand that, very
understandable because Erson, you know, originally it was thought, Okay,
(12:03):
he's gonna be the quote unquote starter of the tandem,
and now it's the other way around, where it's become
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Speaker 1 (12:22):
So he's not John Cena.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, but apparently you know, he won the intercontinental title.
He's won every belt now, so you know, oh well,
he's on his way out the door. So I guess
it was only a matter of time.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right, he's only got what three four weeks left, something
like that, five weeks something, something along those lines. But
the hell of a career.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, they're holding it. They're holding a tournament for who
his last opponent will be.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, I'm excited to see who winds up in that tournament.
There's a couple random names I would love to see
come back, but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, yeah, But back to hockey. Greg's saying, we got
to stop excusing some of the guys for being young.
There's so many young players playing at high levels and
scoring goals. We got to start expecting that from out
from our young guys. I agree, there are some well,
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you want to expect some strong play from your young players, right. However,
you know, the question is is what particular young players
are we talking about here? You know that's the real question,
because there are plenty of young players that are playing
real well for the Flyers, and that's really where my
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question is, Like, Okay, so what one specifically are we
talking about.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Now, Robbie, I'm sure you're I definitely want to hear
you your two cents on this, because I think you
and I might be a little bit on the same
wave length, if not completely. For me, it's I'm pretty
sure he's talking about mtch Cobb there. I give him.
This is this is a last year. He gets a
pass for me because this is a kid that's still
learning from the KHO who's never played American North American
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hockey before. It's a very different game. He's always been offensive,
offense offense. Now he has to learn to play two
way hockey, has to learn the defensive side. Because he's
playing too much on the defensive side. It's taking away
from his offensive capability. So I think he's putting too
much into one basket than he is than he did
last year, and I think he's taking away from some
(14:28):
of his chances on the offensive side. But the other
side of it too, is not playing twenty twenty five
minutes a game like some of the other top six guys.
So you know it's to me he gets a pass
this year. Next year it's a whole nother story. He's
twenty years old. He's twenty years old.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
That's it, right, Robbie.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I mean, oh yeah, Robbie, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
In response to Greg's comment, you're gonna be surprised.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I agree with Greg.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I mean, granted, there's a lot of different levels of development.
When you say young, right, there's lots of tiers, right,
and you got to expect growing pains. I mean that
comes with the business of a rebuilding team, right. But
do you know what's true about all winning teams, They
don't make excuses. They work hard, and I'm not worried
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about Mitchkoff. He will work hard and he'll respond well
to the comments that Sean Victoria made after the Ottawa
Center's game, which we'll play and talk about later on
the show. But yeah, I don't make excuses. You got
to work hard, and I don't think Mitchkoff is working
hard enough or spending enough time in the defensive zone
and playing both sides of the puck. He's not cheating
(15:39):
as much as anymore, you know, to Contoria's point, but
you can't just rest on your laurels of scoring goals
that mind you, right for a sophomore slump. Yes, it's
not the brilliance that we saw, especially down the stretch, right,
but he still has three goals. Do you know who
the team leader is in goals on the Philadelphia Flyers.
It's Traps Connect with five, who's really caught up there
(16:02):
and is starting to listen to what you're preaching, Brian, Right,
But overall, this team is not scoring goals at a
very large clip. I believe they're like twenty ninth in
the league in terms of offensive goals. They're second in
the league in goals against, but only a plus four
in terms of goal differential with an eight five and
two record, So yeah, they do need to pick it
up when it comes to goals scoring. But I think
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if you play both sides of the puck, the goals
will come right and overall, though I don't like and
this ties into the original point that I was discussing
with Maddie.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
That I wanted to comment on earlier.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Is that in terms of I'm realists, you know, like
expecting too much from this team. They're eight five and two,
that's the same record as the Tampa Bay Lightning and
they're currently the second wildcard, so they yes, Brian, they
are in a playoff spot currently right now. So I mean, overall,
I'm encouraged. And then there's a lot of you know,
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goal scoring ability, both in terms of talent on this
team as you know what will come you know in future,
you know later on the season or in future years.
So there's a lot to be excited about. But tying
it all back because I know I wanted to squeeze
a whole bunch of things in there, right is I
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don't think you make excuses, You work hard, you spend
extra time at the whiteboard after practice and you get
the job done. And this unit seems to be a
resilient unit like we talked about before, that wants to
get the job done.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Right, I will I will say that I think that
when it comes to the scoring side of things, Tippitt
has five alls, so which is very important because Tippet
obviously was a big magnifying glass on him. I will
say Bobby Brink also, yep, And Bobby Brink was he
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kind of came out of nowhere a couple of years
back of just like okay, all right, this kid's got
something here and he's shelling it. But I will say
that there's something to be said for a team that
even if they're not scoring at a higher rate, if
they're getting the wins, you don't have to light the
lamp up every five minutes. What matters is do you
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have more goals when the period is up? Do you
have more goals when it's all said and done? Then,
who gives a shit how many goals you're scoring per game?
Who cares the matter? Simple situation. If you're going to
win three to two, you're going to win three to two.
If that's going to be your standard. That's going to
be your standard. But you know what, you're still getting
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to win, aren't you. You're still getting the two points
and you're still getting the W. I don't care how
you do it. Get that W. At the end of
the day. I don't need you to score ten goals.
I don't need you to score seven goals. I don't
need to score eight goals. I just need you to win.
You don't have to be the highest scoring team in
the league to be successful. You get distribute it. It
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could be completely distributed. It's like, okay, we've got three
guys who are currently top the team in goal scoring,
Like that's fine with me. I don't need one of
them to score thirty goals. Then everybody else does a
mile behind, and the only time we're winning is if
that person's scoring. It's okay if we evenly distribute it.
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As long as we're getting the W, that's all that
matters to me. So that's how I feel about that.
As it comes to the side of things with Mitchikov, again,
he's a young kid. Let him develop. And on top
of that as well too, I think is I think
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in my head, he's again got a lot of pressure
on himself going into this, and also keep in mind
that he's learning a new game, as you were talking about,
and he's also learning another aspect of the game like
we were also talking about. These are all added things
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that need to be considered for Mitchkoff. These are all
things we're not considering. Sometimes we expect him to come
here and dominate. It's like, okay, listen, we knew mitchkov
was going to be good. We knew he had the
potential to be great. We knew that, but we also
had to think, Okay, he's not going to come in
here like Lynd Draws and start just putting up these
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fucking record setting numbers, write the fuck out of nowhere.
That's not going to happen, you know. It's like, let's
give him some time. I mean, a perfect example, like
you were saying, Brian about time out on the ice,
a perfect example of this. Look at maclin Celebrini over
in San Jose. Kid is crushing it on a team
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that sucks for the most part, although they've been getting
some surprising wins. At the end end of the day,
think about what he does. He gets top line minutes,
and he's what twenty nineteen, Like, he's not even done
being a teenager and yet he's getting top line minutes.
So yeah, he's being productive as hell. He has to be.
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He's getting top line minutes, right, Mitchkoff's is not.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, I mean right. The only thing I'll say to
that is that he's in a completely different situation than
mitchkiv is true. Wyers were never as bad as people
made him out to be, just an absolute train wreck.
So yeah, a better opportunity for him to get the
top line mens because he's got he doesn't have anybody
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to compete with, especially at his position because the San
Jose is so thin there they needed him. Yes, But
as far as like I'm okay with not excusing MICHKV,
I am. But at the end of I'm also still
of the mindset that I don't give him these uses
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because I know how good he is and how good
he can be. So yeah, he's got probably putting more
pressure on himself than anything. But Rob brought up probably
the best point. His work ethic isn't going to allow
him to be bad for the entire year. His work
ethic is he's on that ice busting his ass every day.
So it's only going to be a matter of time
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before he breaks out. And who knows, maybe the last
two games have been it for him. So I mean,
we'll see. Like I said, we're not even fifteen games
into the season yet, right.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Right, and I mean, let's give it time. Let's give
it time, and let's be happy with the small victories
that we have. And one of those big small victories
is the Flyers have a winning record going into this
where we were kind of worried that maybe they might
have another year where they get off to a slow
start or what have you. It was a possibility. This
is a team that you can't predict. I know that
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there was that room for Okay, maybe they'll surprise us.
I mean, honestly, I feel like they've surprised me. But
they surprised me, not necessarily what the record is. More
of they surprised me with the way they've won. That's
how they've been surprising me. At the end of the day,
it's like, Okay, this team's pretty resilient. This team can
actually you know, when they get down, they're definitely not quitting.
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They're coming right back and firing right back. It's like,
all right, all right. I like that. Let's build off
of that. Let's keep that going even when we're later
on in the season. Let's build off of that, because
when the games really start mattering in January and February
and March, then it's like, oh shit, then that's when
you're going to find out, Okay, who's getting in, who's
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not getting in. That's when you really start finding out.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
So I mean that makes a lot of sense. Maddie.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah. And I mean again, I I just I feel
like we might be kind of getting into that defeatist
mentality a little bit. And I understand why. I mean,
it's hard to stay positive when you've seen a team
that's been trying to retool and then rebuild for so
long that it makes it very hard to be positive.
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When positive things happen, you're just waiting for the disappointment
at the other end. I get that, I absolutely do.
But it's like, let's let's relish in the fact that
we got some big wins and we got some big
moments there.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I mean, hell, the Flyers had to beat the Penguins
three times in one game and they still managed to
do it. So let that be something to be happy about. Sure,
the Penguins did everything in their power to give it
to the Flyers, but we still managed to take advantage
of that. A lesser team wouldn't have been able to.
So just another example, let's be a little positive here,
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let's not all leave, let's not be negative about these things.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
It's real easy to though, Mattie, because despite the success
that this team had perenorily in the in the nineties
and the early two thousands, in terms of being a
playoff team every year, it resulted in zero cups, zero
cups since the seventies. A lot of their fans weren't
even weren't even a big imagination, you know, so until yeah, yeah, so,
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I mean, until until you start winning titles, people are
gonna be negative.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
They're good, They're gonna.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Wait for that heartbreak to happen again and again and again.
I mean we're talking about like and I wanted to
work this in somehow into the show because as Prism
asked an excellent trivia question in one of our YouTube
links chat about the last time that both the Flyers,
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the Blackhawks, and the Anaheim Dunks were all in the
playoffs together. Do you think do you know that off
the top of your head, because I didn't. I thought,
I'll be honest, I thought it was two thousand and
five six, But that was before King and Showtime showed
(26:13):
up and was around.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I was just the Flyers and Anaheim.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
So the Flyers, the Ducks and the Blackhawks. Yeah, was it?
Was it two thousand and eight?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Another guest, I immediately went from that from six to eight,
and no, that was incorrect too. It was ten years
ago though. Twenty fifteen sixteen season was the last time
that all three of those teams were together in the playoff.
Shout out to you, Priz. I did get it eventually,
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but I mean that, I mean that's a decade now,
and I mean I know that's a skewed stack because
I'm interjecting two other teams. But the point is is
that this fan base is hungry for not just playoff
hell hockey, but playoff success, and until they see that,
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you're just gonna get the naysayers. But overall, I'm encouraged
by what I've seen from this club as they head
in Wednesday night, the face to Oilers Shout out to
the three kids in the top five in points, Bedard,
Celebrini and Carlson and we're getting close to losing Obi soon,
Sid sooner than later and Copuitar this year.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
The league is winning this year. Yeah, they're definitely.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
There's there's ample shoulders to take that torch for shot.
And let's not forget about a guy that we I
think has successfully already taken that torch that we'll be
seeing Wednesday night and one Connor McDavid and the Spoilers, who,
as as I stated before, are off to the greatest
of starts, but are still a strong goal scoring team.
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They got fifty two goals scored on the season, that's
over three goals a game.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's thirteenth in the NHL. But they've.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
They've got fifteen power play goals, which is third most,
and have a thirty two point six to one percent
power play conversion rate which is third best, and also
score two shorties as well, so they come strong. That's
six among NHL teams. So they come strong with their
special teams. Defensively, it's always the bugaboo of Edmonton. They've
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given up fifty nine total goals, which is three point
five a game per game, uh, and their goal differential
is minus seven, so it's definitely gonna be a situation
of strength first strength the Flyers defense, which I didn't
think I would be saying that preseason, versus the Edmonton
Oilers strong offense.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
So you know it's going to be interesting, man, joke.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It will be. It will be who's in goal for
Edmonton right now?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Stuart Skinner.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Stuart Skinner's still in goal. Okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, they made this decade signing him long term.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, I mean, this is the same team that kept
giving a past this prime like Smith, every opportunity to
be the starter on that team. So you know, I
guess not much has changed over there at Edmonton. I
will say, though, I think if the Flyers can, if
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they can get an early goal, it might be really
if they could score first, they might have a really
good shot of really hurting Edmonton's chances, because yeah, Edmonton
has that strong offense. But if the Flyers defense holds true,
if they could kind of get the goal scoring started
and kind of set the tone in their building, might
make it a little hard for Edmonton to get set
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for them get set in their own right at the
end of the day. So I think that might be
key for the Flyers. I mean, yeah, I know it's
easy to say, well, of course you want to score first,
but even with a highly powered offensive team like Edmonton,
I would have to say, like, get the Flyers can
kind of just take that opportunity and score and really
rip away any momentum that Edmonton would hope to get
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going offensively. By forcing Edmonton to have to rethink might
help them in terms of like, Okay, we stand strong defensively,
and we continue to you know, get our licks in
here offensively, and we managed to cash in once or twice,
we might be able to hold them off at the
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end of the day. Now, Mike, it's a tall order
to ask for because you've got to deal with McDavid
and you've got to deal with you know, you got
to deal with everybody. So yeah, it'll be a to er.
But I think, look, I think the Flyers can do
it if they can get if they can set the
tone early.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I agree, they have to set the tone. You got
to get the first goal, maybe the first two. The
one thing I will say, I know I said stay
out of the box, but the one thing I'm gonna
tip the hat to I think Robbie did say it.
I know I had to step away for a second.
But they have one of the best penalty kills in
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the league.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Boys.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And to Robbie, I know Robbie did say this. You know,
we would not have thought that they would have one
of the better defensive cores in the league right now,
but you know, the fourth ranked in the in the
league as far as penalty killed like that, that's gonna
help a really strong power play that that Edmonton has.
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But you know, you brought up a great point. They
have to set the tone early. They have to get
the first goal, if not the first two. They got
to give themselves some kind of an advantage heading into
this game because Connor McDavid Leon Drysidle can change the
game like that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
So you know, like you said, like both of you said,
you both brought up great points. So I'm really just
rehashing what you both said.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, I mean, it's always key to get ahead of
Edmonton and not be chasing them, right Yeah, And and
and you know you want to win the penalty battle,
right because not only do you want to keep their vicious,
vicious power play off the ice, but if Flyers are
picking up steam two, I believe they have fourteen power
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play goals. Now, I'm gonna check this out real quick.
Oh no, I'm sorry. They have nine power play goals.
But still that's the fifteen of Edmonton. They're on the
rise in terms of their power play. So if they
can play disipline hockey, start defense first to feed that
transition game and that speed game, right draw their share
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a share penalties, that's a recipe for getting on the
score sheet first. Uh, you know, and and and really
you know, setting the tone at home against Edmonton Oilers,
m h. And right now that I've seen the over
unders at six and a half, which is pretty large
for that AHL because you know, that's that's how it's
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been going. I mean, Bladar has been solid in that
Arison has not really disappointed me.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
That's been the one.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Uh uh area that I I I've expected more out
of Ariison coming into this season. And uh uh you
know right now, I you know, honestly, like once he's healthy,
of course, I mean, like you know, like Everson's got
to work his way back.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Al He's working his way back.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
But h coleslav as well, you know, uh, you know,
eventually you're going to see a seating there that you know,
because Goldslof was playing pretty good.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
M Yeah, and I give a little shout out to
him to really working on his game and proving himself,
you know, So a little shout out to the young
pup there learning the North American game and really getting
him getting his properly, getting him getting his feet wet
in the North American game. Well, sorry that you went
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to the game that they lost, Heather.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Uh, yeah, I don't think they've won a game in
years since I've been there.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Let's see, you're just saying, cycle the puck and make
the McDavid leon line defend. Yes, good, that is very
sound philosophy right there. Forced them to have to go
to their weakness, not their strength basically.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, I mean, for for Medavid at least, it's say
he's he's one of the best two way players in
the game. He just knows how to pick his time
in gosh, he if he has any kind of sniff
of where the pass is gonna go, he's gonna he's
gonna jump the pass and then he's gone, and it's
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it's super dangerous. But no, I'm with you. You got it.
You definitely have to make those guys defend as much
as possible, puckstone times right, everything in hockey.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So I got to ask you guys this question. So
since uh PRIs had brought it up earlier with Celebrini, Badard,
Carlson all coming into the league, young, hungry, up and coming,
we don't really know, Like we have an idea of
what their roles are going to be and what they
are most likely gonna be in terms of a player.
But as for McDavid and Matthews, we've got an idea
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of what they are now. So comparing the two generational
talents right now to the two generational talents of recent
this is my opinion. I think McDavid is more like
Crosby and Matthews is more like a Vetchkin. Would you
guys agree with that?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Mmm?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Repeat it for me one more time.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
In terms of like as their style of play or
in terms of how their play is on their team
and their roles on as a team. Do you feel
like McDavid is more like Crosby and Matthews is more
like a Vetchkin or would you disagree with that?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I like that comparison because McDavid's not only a goal
scorer but a playmaker you know, and and whereas Obie's
a pure goal scorer and maybe Matthews has a little
playmate more playmaking ability, but that's his proclivity as well.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
What say you, bro, No, I'm one hundred percent with
both of you. I mean, if you look at it
this way too, from a completely different angle, how good
is Evanton without McDavid, just like how good without Crosby?
See that maybe Mike Sullivan's coaching record, maybe the Crosby effect,
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just like some of these other head coaches in the
league that have been through Edmonton have had success. Maybe
it's a economic David effect. The same thing with Austin,
Matthews and Obie. You know these both those guys have
you know, their spots where they just pump goals from.
So yeah, I mean I'm not against that at all.
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I'm in complete agreement they The other thing he too,
is make David and Crosby make everybody on the ice
better around.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Them, absolutely, And I think it shows in playoff performances.
I mean, if you really look at it from the
team dynamic, look at how Edmonton has already been to
the Stanley Cup Finals twice. Yes, they didn't win them,
but they went there twice. FA's the same team too,
and damn near won the Cup the last time, So
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there's something to be said about that, Matthews and the
maple Leafs, And yeah, it's not Matthew's fault completely, I'm
not going to put that on his shoulders. However. Yeah, however,
though Toronto hasn't exactly been thrilling everybody in the playoffs,
and you could chalk that up to yeah, Toronto's cursed
or what have you, or oh, yeah they can't find
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a goaltender to save their sorry asses, or the team
just all around is not structurally built properly. You could
say whatever you want, but look at it this way.
Everyone says the shortcomings of Edmonton, yet they've been dragged
almost single handedly by McDavid at times. Dritettle's had his
part to play in it too, but dragged into the
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Stanley Cup finals twice already, whereas with Toronto it's been like,
you guys can't even drag yourselves out of the first round.
I think that says a lot right there when you
think about it, because if you look at it too,
think about how ov and Washington struggled for years to
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get out of just the second round alone. And it
wasn't just because they were running into pitch. They were
losing to Rangers. They lost the Flyers a couple of times,
actually once. But the point is, it's like there are
times they lost the teams they had no business losing to.
It's like, what.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Are you doing?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You guys should have been in the finals by now,
what the hell are you doing? Meanwhile, Crosby's over here
winning three Stanley Cups. What the fuck is going on? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Now, I don't fully blame McDavid for not winning those Cups.
I mean, yeah, of course in bolt, I mean we've
always claimed that. Uh, you know, it's always been a
weakness for for Edmonton. But you know, I guess it
just goes to show you that, you know, maybe as
good as he isn't as much as everybody better around him.
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McDavid is not a miracle worker. Well, yeah, of course,
maybe Crosby is.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know what I mean, I don't know. Well, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Then on the blue line then Edmonton does so.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Right, right, But I mean also to be fair as well,
I mean, Gretzky didn't won a Cup with La and
he was a big part of them getting to the
finals in ninety three, So I mean, even the great
one couldn't single handedly win a Stanley Cup for a team.
So you know, yeah, it's like you need some more players.
But just looking at it from that perspective, though, you
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could see like who seems to be the player that's
elevating his team more on the ice than the other.
And that's not a knock on the talent. Maybe it's
a team structure, Maybe it's their way of playing, maybe
it's their role. The point being is I just see
the dynamic as different with both sides.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
No for sure, and I definitely think that it's a
fair comparison on both guys, to be honest with you.
But the one I'll give OVI is he got he
got his cup.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
He did he did eventually for Matthews.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
But I also think Matthews is in a terrible situation
where I think the organization, I don't want to say
they don't care about winning, but they're more worried about
putting a good product on the ice to bring in
money than putting the right product on the ice to
go out and win a championship.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Mmmm, which I could agree with. And I think Toronto
has had that problem for a very very long time.
It's been a big issue for them for years.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
So all right, so real quick, Maddie. I don't know
if you see the private chat from where you're at,
but we'll just say ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
All right, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
About Mitchie and Coots.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Sure, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well. Prediction for the Oilers game before we move on, all.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Right, I guess I'll start. I'm going to say, you
know what, positivity is going to still flow through me
on this one. Orange and Black wins this one. I
must say they hold on by the skin of their teeth.
They went four to three. Yeah, oh you're thinking it's
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a blowout in Edmonton's favor six for Edmonton. Oh okay, Robbie, Wow.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Well I could easily see six four. I'll be a
homer as well. I think I'm gonna go Flyers four
to two because Oilers aren't playing you know, not only
are they playing four defensively as per the Coors, but
the all, as scary as it can be, isn't quite
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firing all cylinders yet at this early point of the season.
So maybe maybe we get lucky seeing them early.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah four two Flyers, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I mean it happened last year. They saw him early
and it worked out in the Flyers favor on home ice.
So yeah, get it done.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah yeah, all right. Then, So now that we got
that and prison saying Flyers five to Mitchkoff hat trick. Oh,
I'd love to see that, all right. I would very
much love to see that, all right, So now.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Hopefully let's go.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
So speaking of that, let's talk about it. So Mitchie
and good old Coots, that's what we got to say, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
First off, we got this.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
M I think it's Yeah, he's a great goal scorer
and has a lot of skill. I think you just
got to find a way to contribute to helping the
team when in other ways, when when you're struggling, you're
not always going to be scoring goals every game. So,
you know, I thought he I've seen improvement and the
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way he's uh, you know, not cheating as much and
being on the right side of pucks, and you know,
I'm sure it's us a little different from him, but
you know, if he sticks to playing, you know more,
the right way, I think it's gonna be better for
the team overall.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Have you since a weak off his shoulders a little
bit in the after scoring that goal in Nashville, and
then tonight as well.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I think so I think you can tell tonight who's
uh he's trying to make a lot of players with
the puck holding onto the puck. So yeah, I think
he's definitely.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
You know, feeling good about himself.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Mhmm. Interesting. Interesting, Well, first off, I would have to say,
I'm kind of honestly, go ahead, Robbie.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
People on Twitter have been like, how do you blast
somebody one of your own players into the media. What blasting?
He's praising him that he's a good goal scorer, but
his game's incomplete and there's things he's got to work on, Coots.
And they're saying, oh, where's the accountability? And I always
hear accountability with Coots saying with where where his game
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needs improvement too? So honestly, I think it's just challenging
a young player to really work on the defensive side
of player that was forced, you know, to take what
he said, four months off from hockey, which you know
you hear that, and that doesn't paint a good picture.
It doesn't paint the picture that we're setting here of
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a hard working young player, right. I think some of
that was lost in translation. Maybe four months off the ice,
non hockey related, but still working on conditioning in the gym. Right,
you could be in the gym all you want, but
you're gonna play catch up if you haven't skated in
four months. So this is what we're seeing, a guy
playing catch up. And maybe, yeah, maybe the two goals
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you know, you know is a sign of things to come.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Right. Uh, you know, the overall game has.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Been lagging and it's behind last year's brilliant especially like
I said before that successful the ad down the stretch
and a lot of people, like I said saying the
sophomore slump.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
The best is you have to come.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Oh agreed, you hit the nail one.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I mean, I will say I think first off, I
want to say I'm surprised that Kut's even said anything
in that way. And I'm not saying that he wouldn't
hold somebody accountable. I'm just surprised he did when the
camera's wrong, because usually players are very tight lipped when
those kind of situations come up. I'm surprised that he
actually did say anything that would have been I'm surprised
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he gave the media anything to run with, you know
what I mean, Like, usually players are a lot more
choosy of the words that they use. I'm not saying
Kots didn't choose his words. I'm just saying that I'm
surprised he said some of the things he said. Usually
you don't reveal anything to the media like that, and
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a case in point, because now obviously he's got to
deal with this bullshit. But what I will say is
I don't think Koots is trying to dog Mitchkov in
any way. I think what he's saying is is that,
like you were saying, Robie, he's there are things to
work on, and that's okay, he's young. Let him work
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on those things at the end. And if if anyone's
going to get offended by this, and especially if Mitchkov
was to get offended by this, and I'm not saying
he would, if he was to get offended by that,
then clearly we got a big Prima Donna bullshit issue
going on, which obviously, if Mitchkov hasn't responded anything negative
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and hasn't said anything about it, then obviously he's not
taking this as an attack and he shouldn't because it's not.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Quite contrary Maddie after these comments were said. Right the
next day of practice, after practice it was Mitchkoff, Katoria
and Tackett at the whiteboard drawn plays right there, not
because he has to be, because he wants to be.
And then you even there was even reports I think
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it was Flyers Nitty Griddy Jamie Baskyle saying that he
saw them hanging out off the ice. So honestly, it
was a situation that I think you're on to something, Maddie,
that maybe normally would have been handled in house, and
the fact that he brought it to the media raised
an eyebrow, especially feeding off of you know, you know,
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the young Russian saying four months off and then this
being said, Okay, what is he you know, trying to
we you know, weed out a bad egg or things
of that nature.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
It's challenging a young man that's willing to be challenged.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, right in.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
To Prison's point here, Coots isn't wrong. I said it
earlier in the show too. He is. He's a young kid,
and it's easy to get distracted as a young kid.
You're starting to find some fame, you're starting to become
a recognizable talent, and sometimes that that can dwell on
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a player's mind, especially when they get older or when
they're young like this, because they don't know how to
handle it. So Coots said nothing wrong, he said, he
didn't even say anything negative. To be perfectly honest, I
don't think he said anything that nobody hasn't noticed yet.
Like he's working on his defensive game. Yeah, so his
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offen this game is lacking a little bit. He came
into he came into the season a little out of shape, Robbie,
to your point, you hit the nail on the head.
You can work out in the gym all you want,
but that doesn't necessarily mean your conditioning is going to
be there when the time comes.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
It's a it's a.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah criticism, that's all right. He said nothing bad. I'm
sure he's probably sat down and had the conversation with
Mitch Cooff and again to Robbie's point, if they're out
there on the ice working on stuff together, clearly they've
had this conversation. Yeah, Koops is being a captain holding
his player's accountable and that's something he needs to do absolutely.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
And then on top of that as well, you know,
I mean, like you were saying, you know you're young,
and Heathery say, I'm trying to persuade my co worker
to be a Flyers fan. Well, hopefully you're successful. But
when it comes to Mitchkoff, you know, being young taking
four months off the ice, you know, I agree Bobby
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brinketting a hat trick. I could see him pulling it off.
But I will say when it comes to him being
young taking those four months off, like you were saying, Brian,
like getting distracted and things like that, I mean, he's
howled again.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
It's like, yeah, twenty year old kid, It's like, listen,
when you get some fame and you know, you got
a little bit of cash in your pocket, and then
all of a sudden, you know, you get some pretty
girls possibly that want to hang around you, or maybe
once your friends want to go out and have some fun,
you know, and shit like that. It's like easy for
that kind of stuff to come into play there, and
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when you got the money to back it up, it's like,
oh yeah, it's very easy. Like you said, Brian, you're
not going to handle it. Well, maybe I'm not saying
that's what happened, but what I'm saying is it's very possible.
It happens in all athletic sports, every single one of
them across the board.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
And this's got a phenomenal work ethic, so right right forever.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Right, And this is a lesson learned. This is a
very valuable lesson that he's learned. That's like, okay, I'm
not doing that again. I clearly realized that I made
a huge mistake not hitting the ice for four months.
This is him learning a very valuable lesson. He's got
to learn it. You gotta go through what you gotta
go through. At the end of the day. Sure, I
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wish he wouldn't have to have learned it this way,
but sometimes you got to make a mistake in order
to learn from it. At the end of the day,
there you go, he's learning from a mistake he made.
That's what it is. Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 4 (52:34):
And I think some of it's due to injury, you know,
with the ankle, but also too there could be some
you know, imagery. I mean, there was you know, like
some wild car rides in Dubai, I believe or something
or whatever the heck that was that they got right,
and so you know, there's a little bit of that.
But again we start to border on the edge of excuses.
And you know what, at the end of the day,
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this kid's going to be measured up to another nineteen
torny year old Russian that's playing in a team we
just saw in Montreal, and that's Ivan Demdov. And you know,
so far in his rookie campaign thirteen points, four goals
and a plus five you know, I mean, I mean,
you know, so he's obviously playing well, you know, on
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both sides of the puck, you know, so, I mean,
at the end of the day, you got to put
up or shut up, and and and and I have
no fear that this kid can do that. This is
a little rocky bump in the road. But again, like
we talked about earlier, Maddie, an organization that hasn't seen
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a Cup in so long and has had, you know,
a playoff draught of recent there's going to immediately go
to the negative. And and and in the end that
what we've seen in the past two games has been encouraging.
Let's continue to see more of it. Right, If he's
playing more defensive side of hockey, I don't need to
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necessarily see it in the goals. I want to see
it in his positioning, because he's been more out of
position it sometimes and hanging out his teammates to dry.
If I see that improved first man, the goals will
come right right.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
And again, it's only his second year in the league,
and for now we can say, all right, learning a
lot fast, making errors and judgment, not thinking about it
and taking it maybe as he should have and realizing, okay,
I need to do better. Now he's learning, okay, take
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this shit a little bit more seriously, you know, like,
all right, let's do that. If this continues and we
see this continue on next year and the year after that,
it's like, okay, I'll give you that. Then it's time
to get a little worried. But it's only his second
year in the league. It's like let him you know,
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like you were saying, Brian, it's like this could be
the last year. We could say, all right, let you
have at this time, but we don't want to see
this next year. Let's see you show what you got
next year when that comes around. Let's not see here
or that you took four months off and then you're
playing catch up when the season begins. We don't want
to hear that next year.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
I mean, I commend Coots for speaking up like that,
Like again, he's holding one of his best talents, best
teammates accountable, Like yeah, he's he's thrown it out to
the public. Why I don't know, but you know what,
I like it because, you know what, maybe it's the
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fire under his ask gets him going, because.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Maybe I know exactly why Brian he stays. He's saying
there are no free rides. I don't care what level
of prospect, what level of player you are here right
at Tackets backed him up. I mean, the captain and
the coach really in tow together, right, and it's evident
by the I'm on ice that players get.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
It.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, I mean, hell, think about it this way. Coots
should know how long was it that he struggled and
then he finally found his game again. We thought he
was a bust at one point because he struggled for
a few years there, and sure enough he's the captain now.
So yeah, I forget what.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
We saw from him TK and Mitchcough at the end
of last season. Once Mitch Cough's up to speed and
he starts earning that ice time, I want to see
that pairing again.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely, Let's see if I.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Can find it. Jordan Hall was saying, who Mitch Cob
was with as far as practice goes, It looks like
I deleted it, but it looked like it was Ziegres
and TK Maybe.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Oh okay, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Maybe better than with the right teammates will get his
offense going. But I mean again, I'm not I'm not
completely for needing to see him exploit offensively because I
know that's gonna come. I want to see him being
more defensive, defensively responsible because, like Koots said, you know,
they did catch him cheating quite a few times which
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led to a bunch of goals. He's got to get
out of the habit that's KHL right stuff, that's not
that's not the NHL. He has to work on the
two way game. So for me, uh again where Coots
is coming from, in my opinions, which is a good place.
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Keep the offensive game going, stay, keep your foot on
the pedal there. Work on the defensive game as your
shifts come, but don't don't not be an offensive powerhouse,
which you're known for. Because adding the two way game,
it's gonna take a couple of years. He's not gonna
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get it down right away. He will still maintain value
and he will still be incredibly impactful for this team
if he just keeps putting up the numbers that he
put up last year. Right.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
And let's also not forget to he's been getting assists
prior to the two goals that he got, so there
has been contributions on the score sheet even if it
hasn't been a goal. But with that, that'll do it
for this edition of Flyers Talk A two D. We
thank everybody for joining us. Yes, Robbie, just.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
Before you wrap on, Maddie, I want to I didn't
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I know how to be fair?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Though we are also in a different spot on the
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I don't know. It's a good question, very good question.
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do pain free. The whole question for to a day
and that we have for everybody out there in the fan,
is the Flyers can really swing momentum in their favor
with a big win over the Oilers at home. Agree
(02:44):
or disagree, now, obviously, the Flyers they have been coming
off some wins. They had a strong win against Nashville
that was a little rough at the beginning, but they
hunkered back down, they got things under control and they
wound up taking charge in that game and very very
(03:04):
well done. So I will definitely say that this is
definitely the type of team that they can get down,
but they're never out. And I mean, hell, the game
we live reacted to against Montreal, the momentum swung right
back into their favor in the third period, or you know,
(03:27):
if they're winning the damn thing. So I'm just saying
right now, folks, if you are hoping and praying for
this team, there's a they're listening. They're listening, and they
seem to be able to swing that momentum in their favor. So,
with that being said, if they manage to get a
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big win against Connor McDavid and his Edvonton Euler's, does
that truly swing the momentum in their favor with a
big win? Gentlemen, do you agree or do you disagree
with this poll?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, I will say this, Rick tockets right in step
with you in terms of admiring the resiliency of this
group and that was built upon what was built here
initially by Danny B. Keith Jones and towards now continues
to take that next step and showing even further resiliency
to putting off that pretty tidy record at this point,
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in the early season. But I'll do an uncharacteristic thing
and jump in here. Boys, I'm gonna it's a slam
dunk of greed because when you're talking about facing Edmonton Oilers, right,
who aren't as high as they normally are in the standings,
as we've accustomed to, but it is early and they're
still got eighteen points on the young season. They're a
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true test. They're scoring machine, they're scoring dynamo. It's going
to be a really big test for this young flyer squad,
a young flyer squad that has given up the second
fewest goals in the NHL, showing that defensive pro clivity
that Tackett showed with his team in Vancouver bringing that
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system over here to Philadelphia. So I think this is
a good benchmark game. I love that it's at home
right between and you could really fire up a crowd,
right that, despite a pretty good start to the season, Bryan,
people don't seem satisfied.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, I don't get it. I mean, yeah, I wavered
a little bit last week just because you know, it's early.
It's it's so early in the season and there's still
so much more story to go in this in this season.
But you know, with the way that they're playing. I mean,
we talked about a little bit last week. Defensively, they've
been pretty secure all season long, with La Dars playing
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really strong in net right now. But sam Rison does
need to pick up his end of the slack. But
I mean, he looked better against I believe he played Ottawa.
He did look a little bit better at the shaky
first period. But I mean to the poll, I mean,
I I too handedly agree the this is such a
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huge It would be such a huge win for them,
especially being one of the stronger defensive teams in the
league this year. Depending on who's in that unfortunately, will
determine how many goals are given up in a game.
But I mean, for the most part, they've been really
sound offensively because of tacket system, a lot of guys
are playing really strong two way hockey. For me, a
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really good way to get momentum on their side and
get this win is staying out of the box. That's
something that's been really hard for them this year. They've
been on discipline. Especially one of my favorite guys in
Trevor Ziegres, has been a little he's been a little
wiry this year, so you know, they gotta they gotta
maintain some kind of discipline against this team. Oilers every
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year have one of the best power plays and it's
because of two guys mainly, but they have so many
weapons you got to see out of the box that
could hopefully create some strong momentum as far as you know,
being able to play more five on five because anytime
you're you're taking four or five penalties a game, you're
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playing behind the EPO and it's always going to be
harder to climb out of that hole. But for me,
get the first Bowl. But I agree this this could
be an absolute massive momentum swing for them if they
can beat the Oilers on homew homarn It.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I will say that if if they can beat the Oilers,
then I mean, honestly, that's definitely a massive momentum boost.
But uh, you know, I did I I will say
I have heard people talk complain about the Flyers, you know,
and it's like, what what more do you need from
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these guys? Like what do you need from them? Like, yeah,
I get it. I understand that this team has been frustrating.
I mean they've been frustrating for a very long time. Well,
past these last few seasons, but it's like, what more
do you need from these guys? It's like they're off
to a good start, they've been playing strong hockey, they've
(08:15):
been resilient. Games that they would have easily lost last
year they've come back in. So it's like, what more
do you need from these guys right now? You know, like,
I understand we are all starving for the playoffs, We're
all starving for success. I get it, but it's like,
(08:36):
can we be satisfied with the small victories just a
little bit, just a little bit. Let's give them a
little bit of credit for how resilient they've been and
how strong they've been with some of these wins, and
they haven't been easy teams that they've beaten. Montreal is
not an easy team. Nashville's not an easy team. I mean,
come on, let's give a little bit of acknowledgment here.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, Maddie. And to your point, like most of
the teams that you need, they're young and upcoming teams too,
so it's not like they're there. It's it's not like
they're they're facing a team like Colorado or Edmonton where
they're they're veterans, like they're these are teams that are
just as hungry as the Flyers are.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Mm hmm. Yeah. And there's something to be said for
the fact that, you know a team that isn't allowing
themselves to get down on themselves. They're actually just picking
the pace up and saying, hey, we can win this.
Like the fact that they were able to do that
should say something to you because the last couple of seasons,
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this was a team that when they got down in
a game, there was a certain point where you figured, Okay,
they're not coming back. Like it's not that they would
give up, it's just that they're the finish wasn't there
and it wasn't working. And now all of a sudden
we're seeing some results. It's great, and and now it's like,
(10:03):
let's give them some credit for it, just a little bit,
just a little.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, I I agree to an extent, Like, I mean,
they deserve a ton of credit. They are a team
that is could really go either way this year. They
could find their way into a playoff spot or battling
for a playoff spot. I mean there I believe they're
currently in one, if not just outside of it. They're
(10:33):
getting a bit of a grasp on tackets system now,
and guys are starting to come through. I mean, you
still need some guys to step up and start scoring
some goals, guys like tk uh You, as much as
I don't really want to throw his name out there
because he's still a kid and still so much learning
(10:53):
so much about the game of hockey, is is mitchkov
I mean, obviously you have high standards for some of
these guys and they're not performance, so I could understand
where some of the frustrations coming in for them. But
the thing that we still have to remember, we're We're
not even fifteen games in yet, so there's still a
lot of hockey left be played. So there's a lot
(11:14):
to be happy about with this team, but there's still
a decent amount to kind of be upset with and say, hey,
they need to do this better, they need to do
that better, we need to rely on this guy more
and that guy. Right, But to your point, I agree,
there is a lot that this team has shown this year,
mainly the resiliency that a lot of people should should
(11:37):
be should be happy about right.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Now, don't get me wrong. Yeah, and there are a
couple of players that I'd like to see do a
little bit more, produce a little bit more, step up
a little bit more. And there's also some concerning things.
I mean, obviously the worry of Sam Erson that was
brought up by you, Briy. I totally understand that, very
understandable because Erson, you know, originally it was thought, Okay,
(12:03):
he's gonna be the quote unquote starter of the tandem,
and now it's the other way around, where it's become
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Speaker 1 (12:22):
So he's not John Cena.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, but apparently you know, he won the intercontinental title.
He's won every belt now, so you know, oh well,
he's on his way out the door. So I guess
it was only a matter of time.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Right, he's only got what three four weeks left, something
like that, five weeks something, something along those lines. But
the hell of a career.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, they're holding it. They're holding a tournament for who
his last opponent will be.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, I'm excited to see who winds up in that tournament.
There's a couple random names I would love to see
come back, but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, yeah, But back to hockey. Greg's saying, we got
to stop excusing some of the guys for being young.
There's so many young players playing at high levels and
scoring goals. We got to start expecting that from out
from our young guys. I agree, there are some well,
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you want to expect some strong play from your young players, right. However,
you know, the question is is what particular young players
are we talking about here? You know that's the real question,
because there are plenty of young players that are playing
real well for the Flyers, and that's really where my
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question is, Like, Okay, so what one specifically are we
talking about.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Now, Robbie, I'm sure you're I definitely want to hear
you your two cents on this, because I think you
and I might be a little bit on the same
wave length, if not completely. For me, it's I'm pretty
sure he's talking about mtch Cobb there. I give him.
This is this is a last year. He gets a
pass for me because this is a kid that's still
learning from the KHO who's never played American North American
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hockey before. It's a very different game. He's always been offensive,
offense offense. Now he has to learn to play two
way hockey, has to learn the defensive side. Because he's
playing too much on the defensive side. It's taking away
from his offensive capability. So I think he's putting too
much into one basket than he is than he did
last year, and I think he's taking away from some
(14:28):
of his chances on the offensive side. But the other
side of it too, is not playing twenty twenty five
minutes a game like some of the other top six guys.
So you know it's to me he gets a pass
this year. Next year it's a whole nother story. He's
twenty years old. He's twenty years old.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
That's it, right, Robbie.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I mean, oh yeah, Robbie, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
In response to Greg's comment, you're gonna be surprised.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I agree with Greg.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I mean, granted, there's a lot of different levels of development.
When you say young, right, there's lots of tiers, right,
and you got to expect growing pains. I mean that
comes with the business of a rebuilding team, right. But
do you know what's true about all winning teams, They
don't make excuses. They work hard, and I'm not worried
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about Mitchkoff. He will work hard and he'll respond well
to the comments that Sean Victoria made after the Ottawa
Center's game, which we'll play and talk about later on
the show. But yeah, I don't make excuses. You got
to work hard, and I don't think Mitchkoff is working
hard enough or spending enough time in the defensive zone
and playing both sides of the puck. He's not cheating
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as much as anymore, you know, to Contoria's point, but
you can't just rest on your laurels of scoring goals
that mind you, right for a sophomore slump. Yes, it's
not the brilliance that we saw, especially down the stretch, right,
but he still has three goals. Do you know who
the team leader is in goals on the Philadelphia Flyers.
It's Traps Connect with five, who's really caught up there
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and is starting to listen to what you're preaching, Brian, Right,
But overall, this team is not scoring goals at a
very large clip. I believe they're like twenty ninth in
the league in terms of offensive goals. They're second in
the league in goals against, but only a plus four
in terms of goal differential with an eight five and
two record, So yeah, they do need to pick it
up when it comes to goals scoring. But I think
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if you play both sides of the puck, the goals
will come right and overall, though I don't like and
this ties into the original point that I was discussing
with Maddie.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
That I wanted to comment on earlier.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Is that in terms of I'm realists, you know, like
expecting too much from this team. They're eight five and two,
that's the same record as the Tampa Bay Lightning and
they're currently the second wildcard, so they yes, Brian, they
are in a playoff spot currently right now. So I mean, overall,
I'm encouraged. And then there's a lot of you know,
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goal scoring ability, both in terms of talent on this
team as you know what will come you know in future,
you know later on the season or in future years.
So there's a lot to be excited about. But tying
it all back because I know I wanted to squeeze
a whole bunch of things in there, right is I
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don't think you make excuses, You work hard, you spend
extra time at the whiteboard after practice and you get
the job done. And this unit seems to be a
resilient unit like we talked about before, that wants to
get the job done.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Right, I will I will say that I think that
when it comes to the scoring side of things, Tippitt
has five alls, so which is very important because Tippet
obviously was a big magnifying glass on him. I will
say Bobby Brink also, yep, And Bobby Brink was he
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kind of came out of nowhere a couple of years
back of just like okay, all right, this kid's got
something here and he's shelling it. But I will say
that there's something to be said for a team that
even if they're not scoring at a higher rate, if
they're getting the wins, you don't have to light the
lamp up every five minutes. What matters is do you
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have more goals when the period is up? Do you
have more goals when it's all said and done? Then,
who gives a shit how many goals you're scoring per game?
Who cares the matter? Simple situation. If you're going to
win three to two, you're going to win three to two.
If that's going to be your standard. That's going to
be your standard. But you know what, you're still getting
(18:45):
to win, aren't you. You're still getting the two points
and you're still getting the W. I don't care how
you do it. Get that W. At the end of
the day. I don't need you to score ten goals.
I don't need you to score seven goals. I don't
need to score eight goals. I just need you to win.
You don't have to be the highest scoring team in
the league to be successful. You get distribute it. It
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could be completely distributed. It's like, okay, we've got three
guys who are currently top the team in goal scoring,
Like that's fine with me. I don't need one of
them to score thirty goals. Then everybody else does a
mile behind, and the only time we're winning is if
that person's scoring. It's okay if we evenly distribute it.
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As long as we're getting the W, that's all that
matters to me. So that's how I feel about that.
As it comes to the side of things with Mitchikov, again,
he's a young kid. Let him develop. And on top
of that as well too, I think is I think
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in my head, he's again got a lot of pressure
on himself going into this, and also keep in mind
that he's learning a new game, as you were talking about,
and he's also learning another aspect of the game like
we were also talking about. These are all added things
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that need to be considered for Mitchkoff. These are all
things we're not considering. Sometimes we expect him to come
here and dominate. It's like, okay, listen, we knew mitchkov
was going to be good. We knew he had the
potential to be great. We knew that, but we also
had to think, Okay, he's not going to come in
here like Lynd Draws and start just putting up these
(20:33):
fucking record setting numbers, write the fuck out of nowhere.
That's not going to happen, you know. It's like, let's
give him some time. I mean, a perfect example, like
you were saying, Brian about time out on the ice,
a perfect example of this. Look at maclin Celebrini over
in San Jose. Kid is crushing it on a team
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that sucks for the most part, although they've been getting
some surprising wins. At the end end of the day,
think about what he does. He gets top line minutes,
and he's what twenty nineteen, Like, he's not even done
being a teenager and yet he's getting top line minutes.
So yeah, he's being productive as hell. He has to be.
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He's getting top line minutes, right, Mitchkoff's is not.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, I mean right. The only thing I'll say to
that is that he's in a completely different situation than
mitchkiv is true. Wyers were never as bad as people
made him out to be, just an absolute train wreck.
So yeah, a better opportunity for him to get the
top line mens because he's got he doesn't have anybody
(21:42):
to compete with, especially at his position because the San
Jose is so thin there they needed him. Yes, But
as far as like I'm okay with not excusing MICHKV,
I am. But at the end of I'm also still
of the mindset that I don't give him these uses
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because I know how good he is and how good
he can be. So yeah, he's got probably putting more
pressure on himself than anything. But Rob brought up probably
the best point. His work ethic isn't going to allow
him to be bad for the entire year. His work
ethic is he's on that ice busting his ass every day.
So it's only going to be a matter of time
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before he breaks out. And who knows, maybe the last
two games have been it for him. So I mean,
we'll see. Like I said, we're not even fifteen games
into the season yet, right.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Right, and I mean, let's give it time. Let's give
it time, and let's be happy with the small victories
that we have. And one of those big small victories
is the Flyers have a winning record going into this
where we were kind of worried that maybe they might
have another year where they get off to a slow
start or what have you. It was a possibility. This
is a team that you can't predict. I know that
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there was that room for Okay, maybe they'll surprise us.
I mean, honestly, I feel like they've surprised me. But
they surprised me, not necessarily what the record is. More
of they surprised me with the way they've won. That's
how they've been surprising me. At the end of the day,
it's like, Okay, this team's pretty resilient. This team can
actually you know, when they get down, they're definitely not quitting.
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They're coming right back and firing right back. It's like,
all right, all right. I like that. Let's build off
of that. Let's keep that going even when we're later
on in the season. Let's build off of that, because
when the games really start mattering in January and February
and March, then it's like, oh shit, then that's when
you're going to find out, Okay, who's getting in, who's
(23:41):
not getting in. That's when you really start finding out.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
So I mean that makes a lot of sense. Maddie.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah. And I mean again, I I just I feel
like we might be kind of getting into that defeatist
mentality a little bit. And I understand why. I mean,
it's hard to stay positive when you've seen a team
that's been trying to retool and then rebuild for so
long that it makes it very hard to be positive.
(24:17):
When positive things happen, you're just waiting for the disappointment
at the other end. I get that, I absolutely do.
But it's like, let's let's relish in the fact that
we got some big wins and we got some big
moments there.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I mean, hell, the Flyers had to beat the Penguins
three times in one game and they still managed to
do it. So let that be something to be happy about. Sure,
the Penguins did everything in their power to give it
to the Flyers, but we still managed to take advantage
of that. A lesser team wouldn't have been able to.
So just another example, let's be a little positive here,
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let's not all leave, let's not be negative about these things.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
It's real easy to though, Mattie, because despite the success
that this team had perenorily in the in the nineties
and the early two thousands, in terms of being a
playoff team every year, it resulted in zero cups, zero
cups since the seventies. A lot of their fans weren't
even weren't even a big imagination, you know, so until yeah, yeah, so,
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I mean, until until you start winning titles, people are
gonna be negative.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
They're good, They're gonna.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Wait for that heartbreak to happen again and again and again.
I mean we're talking about like and I wanted to
work this in somehow into the show because as Prism
asked an excellent trivia question in one of our YouTube
links chat about the last time that both the Flyers,
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the Blackhawks, and the Anaheim Dunks were all in the
playoffs together. Do you think do you know that off
the top of your head, because I didn't. I thought,
I'll be honest, I thought it was two thousand and
five six, But that was before King and Showtime showed
(26:13):
up and was around.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I was just the Flyers and Anaheim.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
So the Flyers, the Ducks and the Blackhawks. Yeah, was it?
Was it two thousand and eight?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Another guest, I immediately went from that from six to eight,
and no, that was incorrect too. It was ten years
ago though. Twenty fifteen sixteen season was the last time
that all three of those teams were together in the playoff.
Shout out to you, Priz. I did get it eventually,
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but I mean that, I mean that's a decade now,
and I mean I know that's a skewed stack because
I'm interjecting two other teams. But the point is is
that this fan base is hungry for not just playoff
hell hockey, but playoff success, and until they see that,
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you're just gonna get the naysayers. But overall, I'm encouraged
by what I've seen from this club as they head
in Wednesday night, the face to Oilers Shout out to
the three kids in the top five in points, Bedard,
Celebrini and Carlson and we're getting close to losing Obi soon,
Sid sooner than later and Copuitar this year.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
The league is winning this year. Yeah, they're definitely.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
There's there's ample shoulders to take that torch for shot.
And let's not forget about a guy that we I
think has successfully already taken that torch that we'll be
seeing Wednesday night and one Connor McDavid and the Spoilers, who,
as as I stated before, are off to the greatest
of starts, but are still a strong goal scoring team.
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They got fifty two goals scored on the season, that's
over three goals a game.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's thirteenth in the NHL. But they've.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
They've got fifteen power play goals, which is third most,
and have a thirty two point six to one percent
power play conversion rate which is third best, and also
score two shorties as well, so they come strong. That's
six among NHL teams. So they come strong with their
special teams. Defensively, it's always the bugaboo of Edmonton. They've
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given up fifty nine total goals, which is three point
five a game per game, uh, and their goal differential
is minus seven, so it's definitely gonna be a situation
of strength first strength the Flyers defense, which I didn't
think I would be saying that preseason, versus the Edmonton
Oilers strong offense.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
So you know it's going to be interesting, man, joke.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It will be. It will be who's in goal for
Edmonton right now?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Stuart Skinner.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Stuart Skinner's still in goal. Okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, they made this decade signing him long term.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, I mean, this is the same team that kept
giving a past this prime like Smith, every opportunity to
be the starter on that team. So you know, I
guess not much has changed over there at Edmonton. I
will say, though, I think if the Flyers can, if
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they can get an early goal, it might be really
if they could score first, they might have a really
good shot of really hurting Edmonton's chances, because yeah, Edmonton
has that strong offense. But if the Flyers defense holds true,
if they could kind of get the goal scoring started
and kind of set the tone in their building, might
make it a little hard for Edmonton to get set
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for them get set in their own right at the
end of the day. So I think that might be
key for the Flyers. I mean, yeah, I know it's
easy to say, well, of course you want to score first,
but even with a highly powered offensive team like Edmonton,
I would have to say, like, get the Flyers can
kind of just take that opportunity and score and really
rip away any momentum that Edmonton would hope to get
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going offensively. By forcing Edmonton to have to rethink might
help them in terms of like, Okay, we stand strong defensively,
and we continue to you know, get our licks in
here offensively, and we managed to cash in once or twice,
we might be able to hold them off at the
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end of the day. Now, Mike, it's a tall order
to ask for because you've got to deal with McDavid
and you've got to deal with you know, you got
to deal with everybody. So yeah, it'll be a to er.
But I think, look, I think the Flyers can do
it if they can get if they can set the
tone early.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I agree, they have to set the tone. You got
to get the first goal, maybe the first two. The
one thing I will say, I know I said stay
out of the box, but the one thing I'm gonna
tip the hat to I think Robbie did say it.
I know I had to step away for a second.
But they have one of the best penalty kills in
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the league.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Boys.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And to Robbie, I know Robbie did say this. You know,
we would not have thought that they would have one
of the better defensive cores in the league right now,
but you know, the fourth ranked in the in the
league as far as penalty killed like that, that's gonna
help a really strong power play that that Edmonton has.
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But you know, you brought up a great point. They
have to set the tone early. They have to get
the first goal, if not the first two. They got
to give themselves some kind of an advantage heading into
this game because Connor McDavid Leon Drysidle can change the
game like that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
So you know, like you said, like both of you said,
you both brought up great points. So I'm really just
rehashing what you both said.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah, I mean, it's always key to get ahead of
Edmonton and not be chasing them, right Yeah, And and
and you know you want to win the penalty battle,
right because not only do you want to keep their vicious,
vicious power play off the ice, but if Flyers are
picking up steam two, I believe they have fourteen power
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play goals. Now, I'm gonna check this out real quick.
Oh no, I'm sorry. They have nine power play goals.
But still that's the fifteen of Edmonton. They're on the
rise in terms of their power play. So if they
can play disipline hockey, start defense first to feed that
transition game and that speed game, right draw their share
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a share penalties, that's a recipe for getting on the
score sheet first. Uh, you know, and and and really
you know, setting the tone at home against Edmonton Oilers,
m h. And right now that I've seen the over
unders at six and a half, which is pretty large
for that AHL because you know, that's that's how it's
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been going. I mean, Bladar has been solid in that
Arison has not really disappointed me.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
That's been the one.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Uh uh area that I I I've expected more out
of Ariison coming into this season. And uh uh you
know right now, I you know, honestly, like once he's healthy,
of course, I mean, like you know, like Everson's got
to work his way back.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Al He's working his way back.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
But h coleslav as well, you know, uh, you know,
eventually you're going to see a seating there that you know,
because Goldslof was playing pretty good.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
M Yeah, and I give a little shout out to
him to really working on his game and proving himself,
you know, So a little shout out to the young
pup there learning the North American game and really getting
him getting his properly, getting him getting his feet wet
in the North American game. Well, sorry that you went
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to the game that they lost, Heather.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Uh, yeah, I don't think they've won a game in
years since I've been there.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Let's see, you're just saying, cycle the puck and make
the McDavid leon line defend. Yes, good, that is very
sound philosophy right there. Forced them to have to go
to their weakness, not their strength basically.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, I mean, for for Medavid at least, it's say
he's he's one of the best two way players in
the game. He just knows how to pick his time
in gosh, he if he has any kind of sniff
of where the pass is gonna go, he's gonna he's
gonna jump the pass and then he's gone, and it's
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it's super dangerous. But no, I'm with you. You got it.
You definitely have to make those guys defend as much
as possible, puckstone times right, everything in hockey.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So I got to ask you guys this question. So
since uh PRIs had brought it up earlier with Celebrini, Badard,
Carlson all coming into the league, young, hungry, up and coming,
we don't really know, Like we have an idea of
what their roles are going to be and what they
are most likely gonna be in terms of a player.
But as for McDavid and Matthews, we've got an idea
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of what they are now. So comparing the two generational
talents right now to the two generational talents of recent
this is my opinion. I think McDavid is more like
Crosby and Matthews is more like a Vetchkin. Would you
guys agree with that?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Mmm?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Repeat it for me one more time.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
In terms of like as their style of play or
in terms of how their play is on their team
and their roles on as a team. Do you feel
like McDavid is more like Crosby and Matthews is more
like a Vetchkin or would you disagree with that?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I like that comparison because McDavid's not only a goal
scorer but a playmaker you know, and and whereas Obie's
a pure goal scorer and maybe Matthews has a little
playmate more playmaking ability, but that's his proclivity as well.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
What say you, bro, No, I'm one hundred percent with
both of you. I mean, if you look at it
this way too, from a completely different angle, how good
is Evanton without McDavid, just like how good without Crosby?
See that maybe Mike Sullivan's coaching record, maybe the Crosby effect,
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just like some of these other head coaches in the
league that have been through Edmonton have had success. Maybe
it's a economic David effect. The same thing with Austin,
Matthews and Obie. You know these both those guys have
you know, their spots where they just pump goals from.
So yeah, I mean I'm not against that at all.
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I'm in complete agreement they The other thing he too,
is make David and Crosby make everybody on the ice
better around.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Them, absolutely, And I think it shows in playoff performances.
I mean, if you really look at it from the
team dynamic, look at how Edmonton has already been to
the Stanley Cup Finals twice. Yes, they didn't win them,
but they went there twice. FA's the same team too,
and damn near won the Cup the last time, So
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there's something to be said about that, Matthews and the
maple Leafs, And yeah, it's not Matthew's fault completely, I'm
not going to put that on his shoulders. However. Yeah, however,
though Toronto hasn't exactly been thrilling everybody in the playoffs,
and you could chalk that up to yeah, Toronto's cursed
or what have you, or oh, yeah they can't find
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a goaltender to save their sorry asses, or the team
just all around is not structurally built properly. You could
say whatever you want, but look at it this way.
Everyone says the shortcomings of Edmonton, yet they've been dragged
almost single handedly by McDavid at times. Dritettle's had his
part to play in it too, but dragged into the
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Stanley Cup finals twice already, whereas with Toronto it's been like,
you guys can't even drag yourselves out of the first round.
I think that says a lot right there when you
think about it, because if you look at it too,
think about how ov and Washington struggled for years to
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get out of just the second round alone. And it
wasn't just because they were running into pitch. They were
losing to Rangers. They lost the Flyers a couple of times,
actually once. But the point is, it's like there are
times they lost the teams they had no business losing to.
It's like, what.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Are you doing?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
You guys should have been in the finals by now,
what the hell are you doing? Meanwhile, Crosby's over here
winning three Stanley Cups. What the fuck is going on? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Now, I don't fully blame McDavid for not winning those Cups.
I mean, yeah, of course in bolt, I mean we've
always claimed that. Uh, you know, it's always been a
weakness for for Edmonton. But you know, I guess it
just goes to show you that, you know, maybe as
good as he isn't as much as everybody better around him.
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McDavid is not a miracle worker. Well, yeah, of course,
maybe Crosby is.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know what I mean, I don't know. Well, okay, and.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Then on the blue line then Edmonton does so.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Right, right, But I mean also to be fair as well,
I mean, Gretzky didn't won a Cup with La and
he was a big part of them getting to the
finals in ninety three, So I mean, even the great
one couldn't single handedly win a Stanley Cup for a team.
So you know, yeah, it's like you need some more players.
But just looking at it from that perspective, though, you
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could see like who seems to be the player that's
elevating his team more on the ice than the other.
And that's not a knock on the talent. Maybe it's
a team structure, Maybe it's their way of playing, maybe
it's their role. The point being is I just see
the dynamic as different with both sides.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
No for sure, and I definitely think that it's a
fair comparison on both guys, to be honest with you.
But the one I'll give OVI is he got he
got his cup.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
He did he did eventually for Matthews.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
But I also think Matthews is in a terrible situation
where I think the organization, I don't want to say
they don't care about winning, but they're more worried about
putting a good product on the ice to bring in
money than putting the right product on the ice to
go out and win a championship.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Mmmm, which I could agree with. And I think Toronto
has had that problem for a very very long time.
It's been a big issue for them for years.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
So all right, so real quick, Maddie. I don't know
if you see the private chat from where you're at,
but we'll just say ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
All right, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
About Mitchie and Coots.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Sure, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well. Prediction for the Oilers game before we move on, all.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Right, I guess I'll start. I'm going to say, you
know what, positivity is going to still flow through me
on this one. Orange and Black wins this one. I
must say they hold on by the skin of their teeth.
They went four to three. Yeah, oh you're thinking it's
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a blowout in Edmonton's favor six for Edmonton. Oh okay, Robbie, Wow.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Well I could easily see six four. I'll be a
homer as well. I think I'm gonna go Flyers four
to two because Oilers aren't playing you know, not only
are they playing four defensively as per the Coors, but
the all, as scary as it can be, isn't quite
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firing all cylinders yet at this early point of the season.
So maybe maybe we get lucky seeing them early.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah four two Flyers, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I mean it happened last year. They saw him early
and it worked out in the Flyers favor on home ice.
So yeah, get it done.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah yeah, all right. Then, So now that we got
that and prison saying Flyers five to Mitchkoff hat trick. Oh,
I'd love to see that, all right. I would very
much love to see that, all right, So now.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Hopefully let's go.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
So speaking of that, let's talk about it. So Mitchie
and good old Coots, that's what we got to say, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
First off, we got this.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
M I think it's Yeah, he's a great goal scorer
and has a lot of skill. I think you just
got to find a way to contribute to helping the
team when in other ways, when when you're struggling, you're
not always going to be scoring goals every game. So,
you know, I thought he I've seen improvement and the
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way he's uh, you know, not cheating as much and
being on the right side of pucks, and you know,
I'm sure it's us a little different from him, but
you know, if he sticks to playing, you know more,
the right way, I think it's gonna be better for
the team overall.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Have you since a weak off his shoulders a little
bit in the after scoring that goal in Nashville, and
then tonight as well.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I think so I think you can tell tonight who's
uh he's trying to make a lot of players with
the puck holding onto the puck. So yeah, I think
he's definitely.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
You know, feeling good about himself.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Mhmm. Interesting. Interesting, Well, first off, I would have to say,
I'm kind of honestly, go ahead, Robbie.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
People on Twitter have been like, how do you blast
somebody one of your own players into the media. What blasting?
He's praising him that he's a good goal scorer, but
his game's incomplete and there's things he's got to work on, Coots.
And they're saying, oh, where's the accountability? And I always
hear accountability with Coots saying with where where his game
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needs improvement too? So honestly, I think it's just challenging
a young player to really work on the defensive side
of player that was forced, you know, to take what
he said, four months off from hockey, which you know
you hear that, and that doesn't paint a good picture.
It doesn't paint the picture that we're setting here of
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a hard working young player, right. I think some of
that was lost in translation. Maybe four months off the ice,
non hockey related, but still working on conditioning in the gym. Right,
you could be in the gym all you want, but
you're gonna play catch up if you haven't skated in
four months. So this is what we're seeing, a guy
playing catch up. And maybe, yeah, maybe the two goals
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you know, you know is a sign of things to come.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Right. Uh, you know, the overall game has.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Been lagging and it's behind last year's brilliant especially like
I said before that successful the ad down the stretch
and a lot of people, like I said saying the
sophomore slump.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
The best is you have to come.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Oh agreed, you hit the nail one.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I mean, I will say I think first off, I
want to say I'm surprised that Kut's even said anything
in that way. And I'm not saying that he wouldn't
hold somebody accountable. I'm just surprised he did when the
camera's wrong, because usually players are very tight lipped when
those kind of situations come up. I'm surprised that he
actually did say anything that would have been I'm surprised
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he gave the media anything to run with, you know
what I mean, Like, usually players are a lot more
choosy of the words that they use. I'm not saying
Kots didn't choose his words. I'm just saying that I'm
surprised he said some of the things he said. Usually
you don't reveal anything to the media like that, and
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a case in point, because now obviously he's got to
deal with this bullshit. But what I will say is
I don't think Koots is trying to dog Mitchkov in
any way. I think what he's saying is is that,
like you were saying, Robie, he's there are things to
work on, and that's okay, he's young. Let him work
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on those things at the end. And if if anyone's
going to get offended by this, and especially if Mitchkov
was to get offended by this, and I'm not saying
he would, if he was to get offended by that,
then clearly we got a big Prima Donna bullshit issue
going on, which obviously, if Mitchkov hasn't responded anything negative
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and hasn't said anything about it, then obviously he's not
taking this as an attack and he shouldn't because it's not.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Quite contrary Maddie after these comments were said. Right the
next day of practice, after practice it was Mitchkoff, Katoria
and Tackett at the whiteboard drawn plays right there, not
because he has to be, because he wants to be.
And then you even there was even reports I think
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it was Flyers Nitty Griddy Jamie Baskyle saying that he
saw them hanging out off the ice. So honestly, it
was a situation that I think you're on to something, Maddie,
that maybe normally would have been handled in house, and
the fact that he brought it to the media raised
an eyebrow, especially feeding off of you know, you know,
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the young Russian saying four months off and then this
being said, Okay, what is he you know, trying to
we you know, weed out a bad egg or things
of that nature.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
No, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
It's challenging a young man that's willing to be challenged.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, right in.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
To Prison's point here, Coots isn't wrong. I said it
earlier in the show too. He is. He's a young kid,
and it's easy to get distracted as a young kid.
You're starting to find some fame, you're starting to become
a recognizable talent, and sometimes that that can dwell on
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a player's mind, especially when they get older or when
they're young like this, because they don't know how to
handle it. So Coots said nothing wrong, he said, he
didn't even say anything negative. To be perfectly honest, I
don't think he said anything that nobody hasn't noticed yet.
Like he's working on his defensive game. Yeah, so his
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offen this game is lacking a little bit. He came
into he came into the season a little out of shape, Robbie,
to your point, you hit the nail on the head.
You can work out in the gym all you want,
but that doesn't necessarily mean your conditioning is going to
be there when the time comes.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
It's a it's a.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah criticism, that's all right. He said nothing bad. I'm
sure he's probably sat down and had the conversation with
Mitch Cooff and again to Robbie's point, if they're out
there on the ice working on stuff together, clearly they've
had this conversation. Yeah, Koops is being a captain holding
his player's accountable and that's something he needs to do absolutely.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
And then on top of that as well, you know,
I mean, like you were saying, you know you're young,
and Heathery say, I'm trying to persuade my co worker
to be a Flyers fan. Well, hopefully you're successful. But
when it comes to Mitchkoff, you know, being young taking
four months off the ice, you know, I agree Bobby
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brinketting a hat trick. I could see him pulling it off.
But I will say when it comes to him being
young taking those four months off, like you were saying, Brian,
like getting distracted and things like that, I mean, he's
howled again.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
It's like, yeah, twenty year old kid, It's like, listen,
when you get some fame and you know, you got
a little bit of cash in your pocket, and then
all of a sudden, you know, you get some pretty
girls possibly that want to hang around you, or maybe
once your friends want to go out and have some fun,
you know, and shit like that. It's like easy for
that kind of stuff to come into play there, and
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when you got the money to back it up, it's like,
oh yeah, it's very easy. Like you said, Brian, you're
not going to handle it. Well, maybe I'm not saying
that's what happened, but what I'm saying is it's very possible.
It happens in all athletic sports, every single one of
them across the board.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
And this's got a phenomenal work ethic, so right right forever.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Right, And this is a lesson learned. This is a
very valuable lesson that he's learned. That's like, okay, I'm
not doing that again. I clearly realized that I made
a huge mistake not hitting the ice for four months.
This is him learning a very valuable lesson. He's got
to learn it. You gotta go through what you gotta
go through. At the end of the day. Sure, I
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wish he wouldn't have to have learned it this way,
but sometimes you got to make a mistake in order
to learn from it. At the end of the day,
there you go, he's learning from a mistake he made.
That's what it is. Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 4 (52:34):
And I think some of it's due to injury, you know,
with the ankle, but also too there could be some
you know, imagery. I mean, there was you know, like
some wild car rides in Dubai, I believe or something
or whatever the heck that was that they got right,
and so you know, there's a little bit of that.
But again we start to border on the edge of excuses.
And you know what, at the end of the day,
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this kid's going to be measured up to another nineteen
torny year old Russian that's playing in a team we
just saw in Montreal, and that's Ivan Demdov. And you know,
so far in his rookie campaign thirteen points, four goals
and a plus five you know, I mean, I mean,
you know, so he's obviously playing well, you know, on
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both sides of the puck, you know, so, I mean,
at the end of the day, you got to put
up or shut up, and and and and I have
no fear that this kid can do that. This is
a little rocky bump in the road. But again, like
we talked about earlier, Maddie, an organization that hasn't seen
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a Cup in so long and has had, you know,
a playoff draught of recent there's going to immediately go
to the negative. And and and in the end that
what we've seen in the past two games has been encouraging.
Let's continue to see more of it. Right, If he's
playing more defensive side of hockey, I don't need to
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necessarily see it in the goals. I want to see
it in his positioning, because he's been more out of
position it sometimes and hanging out his teammates to dry.
If I see that improved first man, the goals will
come right right.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
And again, it's only his second year in the league,
and for now we can say, all right, learning a
lot fast, making errors and judgment, not thinking about it
and taking it maybe as he should have and realizing, okay,
I need to do better. Now he's learning, okay, take
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this shit a little bit more seriously, you know, like,
all right, let's do that. If this continues and we
see this continue on next year and the year after that,
it's like, okay, I'll give you that. Then it's time
to get a little worried. But it's only his second
year in the league. It's like let him you know,
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like you were saying, Brian, it's like this could be
the last year. We could say, all right, let you
have at this time, but we don't want to see
this next year. Let's see you show what you got
next year when that comes around. Let's not see here
or that you took four months off and then you're
playing catch up when the season begins. We don't want
to hear that next year.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
I mean, I commend Coots for speaking up like that,
Like again, he's holding one of his best talents, best
teammates accountable, Like yeah, he's he's thrown it out to
the public. Why I don't know, but you know what,
I like it because, you know what, maybe it's the
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fire under his ask gets him going, because.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Maybe I know exactly why Brian he stays. He's saying
there are no free rides. I don't care what level
of prospect, what level of player you are here right
at Tackets backed him up. I mean, the captain and
the coach really in tow together, right, and it's evident
by the I'm on ice that players get.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
It.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, I mean, hell, think about it this way. Coots
should know how long was it that he struggled and
then he finally found his game again. We thought he
was a bust at one point because he struggled for
a few years there, and sure enough he's the captain now.
So yeah, I forget what.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
We saw from him TK and Mitchcough at the end
of last season. Once Mitch Cough's up to speed and
he starts earning that ice time, I want to see
that pairing again.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely, Let's see if I.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Can find it. Jordan Hall was saying, who Mitch Cob
was with as far as practice goes, It looks like
I deleted it, but it looked like it was Ziegres
and TK Maybe.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Oh okay, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Maybe better than with the right teammates will get his
offense going. But I mean again, I'm not I'm not
completely for needing to see him exploit offensively because I
know that's gonna come. I want to see him being
more defensive, defensively responsible because, like Koots said, you know,
they did catch him cheating quite a few times which
(57:18):
led to a bunch of goals. He's got to get
out of the habit that's KHL right stuff, that's not
that's not the NHL. He has to work on the
two way game. So for me, uh again where Coots
is coming from, in my opinions, which is a good place.
(57:39):
Keep the offensive game going, stay, keep your foot on
the pedal there. Work on the defensive game as your
shifts come, but don't don't not be an offensive powerhouse,
which you're known for. Because adding the two way game,
it's gonna take a couple of years. He's not gonna
(58:00):
get it down right away. He will still maintain value
and he will still be incredibly impactful for this team
if he just keeps putting up the numbers that he
put up last year. Right.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
And let's also not forget to he's been getting assists
prior to the two goals that he got, so there
has been contributions on the score sheet even if it
hasn't been a goal. But with that, that'll do it
for this edition of Flyers Talk A two D. We
thank everybody for joining us. Yes, Robbie, just.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
Before you wrap on, Maddie, I want to I didn't
give credit with the video.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
I want to make sure I give credit where credits due.
Speaker 4 (58:40):
That video was courtesy of Crossing broad dot com, as
they did pull right up on Flyers Twitter being in
a in a huff over the over the over the comments,
so to speak. But the other video is complimented brought
as well as all the betting information I gave was
(59:03):
compliments of Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Okay, awesome, awesome. So with that, we want to thank
everybody for joining us, thank you to those establishments for
the content, and we hope once again that you guys,
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