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We're going to talk Saturday Night's Made event. And at
the end of the show, there's a list that came
out in March and we never talked about it because
we weren't on the air, but it came back up
this week. Yeah, we were off the air. We come

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back till March, but it kind of is refreshed this
week on a couple of sites where somebody re released it.
And it's the WWE's top ten heel turns, which we
always love talk can Heal Turn.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
So we're going to.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Go over that list and if we agree, disagree, or
anywhere in between the three of us. But guys, our
opening topic brought to us by Specialized Digital Therapy see
a Pope will defeat Jay Huso to win the ww
World title at Saturday night's main event.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 4 (03:22):
We're gonna allow our guests to start off this evening,
so Peter, please, by all means you agree to disagree?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Pressure, Uh, I disagree.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I either think Jay wins or it's a non finish.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
So how do you think we get to a non finish?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Just Bronson and bron just reck everyone to leave or
Broc comes back.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I mean I guess I could see that, But do
you think they want to have a title sitting out?
I didn't even think of that as a possibility.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Really, do you think they would have just want to
crown someone for the sake of crown or someone just
that just to fill the void. But they are in
a kind of advantageous position to where they can go
so many different ways. They kind of pigeonholed themselves a
little bit with the ceing Punk being the number one
contender to battle Royal Seth injury news coming out that
he was he was hurt, and then for whatever reason,

(04:23):
not putting Braun and Braun in the world rumble. I'm like, okay,
but I mean, we all like, if you're gonna hotshot
breaker to the title, now, was ever a time to
do it right? And I don't think I don't think
we would have felt that the majority of us wouldn't
have felt like it was too early, you know what
I mean. But I either I kind of think I

(04:47):
think Jay's turning heel. That's that's I don't know if
he's turning to heal, but if he's, I think he
may take advantage of whatever happens with with Pump, and
that's Pump has more heat with a sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
That's a very regular occurrence on this show, whether it's
or Eric's.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Allah revision is like the revision of the vision, right,
the revised vision I just I don't know, like it's
something to like see him punk with the chase to
chase to chase, to Chase to chase. I almost don't
want him to win it again until Maynia, Like I
feel like any other moment is just too too small

(05:34):
kind of per se. And if you do non finish
and somehow or even if you put it on jail
what have you, you can turn it into a triple
threat match where I mean, you can't even do that
where Breaker forces it, like he just terrorizes us the
whole night. He forces his way into it, into the
match and making a triple threat. And then he asked
me wins. I mean that's where I think you can
kind of go with it. I don't, but I don't.

(05:57):
My least likely option of all this it's Punk winning.
That's me because I don't think he needs it.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Interesting I have, I have a philosophy. So I here
you go. Before I get into mind, I want you
to go.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I believe this.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
I have made a very difference swerve For anyone who
watched the show last week, we kind of opened up
with a similar topic of you know, was this a
smart move by w W to put them together and
my initial reaction coming out was one way.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
But I have.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Swayed and I will wait for mister Archer to uh
to go through his here first before I died, So
please by all.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Means all right, I've kind of been swayed back and
forth as well. So last week I preached about Jay
Usa was not the right guy for this match.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I was in the LA Night camp.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
We also discussed a Doministerio or a Penta or somebody
different to just shake things up, not saying that it
was the right move or the wrong move, but just
something to really shake things up because you've had the
same guys chasing the title for the last few months
now with Seth out, I understand circumstances. They they rendered

(07:27):
their you know, the poor, the poor situation with the injury,
with the injury, and now you're forced to come up
with something on the fly. I truly think that the
original plan for WrestleMania was Seth holding the title till
Mania probably facing CM Punk. Unfortunately we're not getting there.

(07:48):
This is where we're at now going and to your point, Pete,
I just don't know if CM punk winning the title
benefits him for.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
One two, What is next? For him.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
I mean, basically, you're holding that to WrestleMania. But you
also have right now Cody Rhodes as.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Your top babyface. So are you gonna have.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Two babyfaces going into WrestleMania as champion? Not typically the
situation that we're that we're in so with that.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
This kid is like a kid in a candy story.
I think I know where he's going, but I.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
But I think Jay. I think I keep going back
every minute. I just don't know any this logical situation.
I don't think Jay's turning heel, but I understand him
turn if it does happen. But right now, and we
talked about this in our chat yesterday with Nick, Like,

(08:52):
Jay Usso is still selling a ton of merch. Jay
Usso is still extremely over. I know of the YouTube dislikes.
I mean, you got the internet wrestling, they don't. They
don't like anything the same. They want everything, they want
everything different. They want everything now myself included guilty as charge.
But I keeping until they got jus right. Yes, that's

(09:18):
just how it works. And then last week I thought
maybe Jimmy would would possibly cost him the match and
have Punk win the title. I'm gonna stick with Punk
for now. But I could totally see.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
It either either way.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
But I just I find it really challenging for Punk
even if he does win the title.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Is it going to be a long rain? Probably?

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Probably not, and only because of the fact that you're
going into WrestleMania possibly with your top two babyfaces with championships.
And we talked about last week how there's just no
adversity going into these stories with with with especially co Rhodes.
You gotta see Himunk as your champion. There's no there's

(10:03):
no he's the champion. So where's the adversity there? And
where's the where's the interest and where's that Where's that
story culminate typically at WrestleMania. But if they're champions already,
there's new chease.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
I put the pieces together of where they're gonna go here.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
De leaning is crazy, Lean into the characras diculous.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I have to tell you guys right now, I'll see
exactly where this is going. I I have stat on
this and thought about this over the last week. I agree, Eric,
this was originally going to be a Seth Rounds seem punks.
Seth Rounds gets his come up and and CM Punk

(10:51):
gets his moment at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Last year he got the main event. This year, he
gets the title victory at WrestleMania. He walks out with
the shining moment at the end. That was the original plan.
I believe we have deterred here. Now we're talking about
jay Usso you're correct, jay Uso does not need to
turn heel. However, what we could be seeing is.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
The setup for a one mister jay Uso to walk
out as champion.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
And a turmoil amongst the family being lead up to
a triple thread at WrestleMania between Jimmy Roman and.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
For the thought you were going with that?

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Okay, yeah, I I like it if that's where you're going.
If that's if that's the direction, But then where does
so with that? Would that be your that would be
for the world title, that would be your main event.
That's correct, that would be one of your main So
with that.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
That, I mean, it depends on what I.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Don't depends on what everyone wants to do. If he's not.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
So with that, where does that put Who's Cody's challenger?

Speaker 4 (12:13):
That I think Punk shifts over and Punk ends up
challenging Cody. You could see that I mean the only
kind of wrench in that is I'm curious if Randy
ends up being the opponent for Cody at WrestleMania, so
you could end up seeing something along the lines of,

(12:34):
I mean, what's what is the diagnosis for Seth at
this point?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Is it a label or rotator?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Cough?

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Okay, so we're not like expecting him to be back, correct? No,
I don't think so, Okay, because.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I'm just thinking to myself, I'll say for media, we're
not expecting him to be back before that, right, Okay,
I say I could see like a tag team between
him and Punk and unlikely tag team against bron And
and Bronson, But.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I don't know on that.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
But then then your thing is you're talking, You're.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Talking about where does Punk and all these I mean,
we it's October and we have seven months to get there.
So I'm not going to book the whole thing out
at this point. But I'm just saying for where you're at,
when you need to shift and you need to call
an audible for the pieces that are in place down
if you still want to do a long term program

(13:34):
with this ww World title, I ANSWD the way to go,
I don't know what what I mean. Then then after that,
so who's the challenger for Punk? Then is it Gunther
after he beats John Cena.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Right exactly, And that's kind of where if you go
back to the poll question, we all know neither one
of us said Punk is winning, Like that's not that's
the very low hanging fruit. But like Eric said, like
where do you go from there? His his come up
as his rub per se is with Seth, He's not there.
So and you really don't need Breaker to kind of

(14:08):
fulfill that cut for way you want that to kind
of be something different. Hence why I think if you
if you and then Breaker and Jay have history, right,
you don't have to rush Breaker to the title, but
to go to Kron's point where I didn't think he
was going with that. If you have Jay as a champion,
you have him overcome Breaker, but have this friction, this
long story with Jimmy, and then where does Roman fit in?
And Roman's kind of just playing both sides and everyone

(14:31):
now gets the original three members of the blood line,
but they all have a different edge to him now, right,
and necessarily this and this climate, you don't really necessarily
need to be a face or a heel to sell merch.
Hell Dom is probably a top five merchan. He's supposed
to be a heel, right, So if you're a face
or a hell whatever, at the crowd is into you.

(14:54):
I mean, look how much look how much merch, how
much bloodline merch we saw when Roman was the tribal
chief and what he was, you know what I mean.
So it does a point to play into it, but
I don't know, Like underline theme is Sandpunk doesn't even
win Saturday Night. If he does, he does, I don't
think he needs it because I think that's I don't

(15:15):
see how they can get most steam out of that
long term. And for me, once again, like I want
to see that payoff at media. That's and I think
if he could stay healthy and honestly, if you are
the champion, right, you have to work. And we've seen
him in other promotions recently and even now like that

(15:38):
heavy work rate as the champion and carrying that his
body may not be able to hold up.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
You don't you don't have to work.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Now we're talking about but we're talking about a company
that has like given the sweetheart deal to just about everybody.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
At this point right.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Roman held the title for four and a half years
and he barely work like so let's be honest, like,
if you see him Punk, you don't have to work
in Ring that much. He'll show up though, Yeah, like
post a guy that will be there. So I'm not
worried about his contribution to to the programming. I have
no issue with him whatsoever. I just think to your point,

(16:18):
what the issue is is where where is the next
I mean, you could I think you could do something
with AJ styles and get us. Yeah, you haven't seen
those two. I believe since Ring of Honor go head
to head, that's a match I would have loved to
have seen, just to be I mean, I don't even
know if they ever actually didn't ringing honest, they were

(16:40):
around the same time, but AJ might have been transitioning
out of r o.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
H when Punk kind of was in there.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
But yeah, I just I just think it's an opportunity, guys,
for them to do something different and and and maybe
let this finally be the final ball on the bloodline.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Have the three of them give you the shield ending you.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Never got chrome Back to your suggestion, because I'm really
intrigued about this. Never didn't really think about that. Two
things right. One, the seeds were planted at Crown Jewel Roman.
The family's in disarray. There's this dysfunction. I don't want
to see you till Christmas. Like hilarious, but it's but

(17:27):
it's family. Family fight, family argue, Yes, and we've seen
it work over over the last five years with these guys.
Another thing, So I was listening to Busted Open over
the weekend and they had an interview with Jimmy Uso,
and Jimmy Uso is talking about how people think he's

(17:48):
Jay on the story and there's a lot of there's
a lot of meat left on the bone with this
bloodline story. Roman has gotten his moments. Yep, Jay has
gotten his moments. What about Big Jim.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
And that's where I that's honestly where I think it
could lead to.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
Like Jit and they talked and Jay was interviewed by
Busted Open a few months back and he praised Jimmy
up and down, like he's the better wrestler, he's the
better worker. He had nothing but nice things to say,
and Jimmy was like, you're really talking to my brother,
Like he was like he didn't say that who is
He didn't say that like he actually did, but that

(18:33):
right there, if you talk about bow tying this bloodline story,
what better way to get the bloodline, get this finished,
to have the third person in that picture finally get
his get his flowers, to get his moment.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
That'd be awesome.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
And and then think about it, right like, Roman has
already been established. He has it there, and we've seen
how this played out leading up the Crown Jewel. It's like, hey, Jimmy,
maybe you're getting in Jay's way. And then you see
a friction between Jay and Jimmy where it feels like
the common denominator who's getting the front of this, who's
going to be the gum on the bottom of the
shoe has been Jimmy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
So, I mean, in all honestly, for lack of a
better comparison, he's been you know, the Xavier Woods to
the New Day.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Yeah, he was the one that was taking the taking
the pins in tag matches and bloveline matches him and
him and Solo. I mean, it's kind of he's been
the one. And then when Jay got h got his
Icy title, Run got his World title, run jim Jimmy
was on SmackDown and kind of he got when you

(19:38):
get beat up by the uh what was left of
the blood line the NFC Solos, yeah group and kind
of just left to left the past year it was
and it.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Was weird because of Jimmy's placement on smack Down this
pass Friday, how this is like what are we just
because Drew mentioned your name? Okay, I get it, but
we're where does that kind of leave Jimmy and Limbo?
And then there's a lot of this, Like I said,
this is a weird spot to be in because they
didn't plan to be here. But what you can have

(20:10):
coming out of this it is it's an opportunity for
WW to seize a moment to kind of cultivate and
really not have a downtime because you got this and
you got some Vivors series and then you're rolling in
then you're rolling the Rumble season, right, So that's gonna
So this is if they can make the best of
it with the opportunity they have and presented itself, especially
we're all being around in this World Heavyweight title because

(20:31):
obviously we know Breaker feels like it's his Where does
he come in to play in all this long term
short term, Yeah, I just I don't know. I like
the Jay Jimmy Roman. If it's for the title cool,
I don't necessarily know. If it, I guess for Jimmy's sake,
it needs the title, right because he's the only one
who hasn't had one. So hmm, I thought you were

(20:56):
going with Punk turning heel. But that's where I thought
you were going.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I mean to me, I'm not saying it's not a possibility.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know, they could do that.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
The reason I don't believe that's going to happen is
another report that came out this week is they are
still looking at They still plan to have some form
of this vision, which I imagine will include Brock in
a War Games match, having something where Cmpunk is included

(21:28):
and Roman I think was a name they threw out.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I'm not one hundred percent Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
That was a wrestling observer they So they're still trying
to figure that all out and that's still the plan
that they were. But you noticed on Raw last night
they're still being introduced as the Vision and Paul Haman's
still the Oracle. So I mean, does that mean they're
going to have those two, are they going to add somebody?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I mean Brock.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Is with Hayman essentially in story. I mean he used it.
So I don't know if if that's the plan, but
it's it's logical, but it does. And we talked about
this few weeks ago where it was kind of like
we weren't sure if it really fit or not, and

(22:17):
do you bring someone else new and it really doesn't.
That really didn't make sense to us either, whereas like
you bring I think that the rumored guy, the rumored guy, Okay,
the rumor guys Austin theory that I that I that I.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Don't hate that.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Name, by the way either, No, no.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
I need I need a more serious version of Austin theory.
And if he is included in this group, right, it's
the anti what we're seeing right now with Grayson Waller
with a New Day right, this is I really believe
that theory is a tremendous talent.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think he was put behind the eight ball with the.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Hand selected and happened to drew back in the day
right hand selected one by Vince. For whatever reason, this
never seemed to work for young talent, but they continue
to do it. Involving Vince having this opportunity now whenever
he's right, because I know his injury is kind of
like really open ended. I think it's a huge opportunity

(23:20):
put him in other than him, I can't believe in
anybody else, including Waller, joining this group.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I was just about to say to you, think like
you can do it twofold. Have Waller drawing the vision
and turn on Kofi and Xavier.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Maybe if you want to turn them back to face.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, I mean you could pull that move as a
transition to be able to get them back to where
they're cheering.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
But I think it's really tough right now to legitimize
Waller the way they booked him though. It's kind of
like he's kind of just like a third wheel. He
was a second one, now he's a third wheel. So
it's like putting him there like theory's been gone a
little longer, and it's kind of that's that kind of
I wouldn't say stink, but that stigma is kind of,

(24:06):
you know, passed him by a little bit, so you
can kind of you can legitimize Theory much better than
I think you can Waller.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Throw this out there, just especially for Saturday's main event,
and also maybe short term is who's the one person
that has as much vested in the get back against
a Vision and also Punk And we've seen but we
didn't see on roll this past Monday.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
The person that has I guess the most to game
to get them.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Back the game, but has enough skin in this game
to where they feel the same way that Seth would
feel about the betrayal.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I honestly don't know. No, I mean Roman would be.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, but I don't think it's Roman the Man. She
can come back, Yeah, she can come in Saturday's man event.
She hates Punk, she doesn't like the Vision. WHOA, This
is what I'm saying, Like Jay's is going to be
there left, He's going to take advantage opportunity. He's just
going to be the last man standing for verbally speaking,

(25:17):
because yeah, he's had these runnings, but he's in there
with somebody who has more heat than him.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yo, guys, I got another WrestleMania idea.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Just hit me.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Okay, let's say let's say Romans not included m H,
and we have Roman against All. I'm sorry, we have
Jimmy and Jay just as their own thing. You could
do that it'll works, though, what if we get some

(25:53):
story that leads it starts at Survivor Series, it goes,
it goes, or maybe hold it.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
The Summer Slam. If that's not ready to go, Seth
comes back. Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Guys, we know that John Moxley's in a w we
can't get a Technical.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Three NXT Talented Shield reunion, but who brought them in Punk?
What if we get the Vision versus the reunited.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Seth Rollins Roman Range, who both have a chip on
their shoulder to get back at the Vision.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
As well as see a.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Punk who gets cross to the title tonight. I'm sorry
Saturday Night at Saturday Night's main event.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
I'm just saying, so going back to that, right the
damn Company. So Jim, Jimmy and Jay So in that
same interview I had, I was referring to, so they
have a bad stink in their mouth that WrestleMania forty match,
he said they They said the reason it didn't work

(27:03):
was time.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
They just didn't have time. They didn't get they didn't get.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
A lot of time.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Yes, yeah, so they I'm sure they would be up
for the opportunity to uh to.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Have a redo on that and I think they.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Would definitely put it all out out there this time
and hopefully get some more time to do what they
wanted to do short term, so real.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Quick, and then you guys are short. Didn't just go
back to Becky point perfect thing you can do Saturday.
Cess music hits everybody that's going to be out because
I think we're going to have Bron and Bron are
going to be involved somehow with Paul. His music hits
obviously it's not him, but it's Becky mm hmm. It's

(27:48):
just enough to distract everyone. And it's almost like Jay
capitalizes because right, how did he win to Rumble? He
took advantage of opportunity. He's taking these proverbial shortcuts or
these easy way out and that doesn't hurt That doesn't
hurt Sandpunk at all. I mean, I don't want to
keep seeing him taking pins, but I just I'm trying

(28:08):
to think how we get to that Jay and Jimmy,
with Jay being the champion and still protecting kind of seampunk,
and still I think I knowing just kind of just
revision is history looking at that, I can see that
possibly because that's like oh ship, because we just had
it at summer slim you can't dip your well and
that you can't dip your foot in that well twice, right,

(28:30):
But it's not really seth Yeah, just because she wasn't
on raw at all.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
And now you have Bailly and Lyra moving on for
tag team stuff. So what's the i C champion doing that?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
What?

Speaker 3 (28:49):
She probably doesn't even care about that belt because now
her husband's been turned on you injured, and now he's
on the shelf. And that promo she cut with Paul
that's like her number one already is this get.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Back I By the way, it was a very uneventful,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, uh yeah, it didn't do much for me.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
I know, but listen, I think I don't think that
I think that.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
You save her. I think you saved that in the chamber.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
I don't think you know, we just saw her kind
of confront Paul M And I don't know if I want.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
To go right to it to where she's a meeting.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Like if anything, I wanted to be when Braun or
Bronson are in a title situation with an opportunity to
get that championship, that's when you pull the trigger on
his music hits. Maybe yeah, something like you said, and
maybe similar to how she came out before to help
out seth On. She comes out, boom hits them with

(29:53):
a low lolow, takes them right off in the balls,
and then they take the bend and they move along.
I think, do something like that. Save that bullet in
the chamber, don't use it right now, don't get too anxious,
like that's the beautiful thing about the situation right now,
Like it's I mean, it's not beautiful because he's hurt,
but it is. You're right, there are other factors of

(30:15):
things that can go through here where we're talking about
other ways that you can pivot, and they're very fortunate
that they did have these kind of things, these irons
in the fire, you know what I mean. But the
thing with Becky is again this is it's something that
could be extremely impactful if he used at the right
time and being overly anxious to get it, get through it,
to get to it, I think could.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Be I like your idea, maybe not Saturday, but maybe
at next Saturday Nights main event or maybe s viruss
or like you said, like if you do the Saturday's
main event, John's last match and the Warheadway titles on
the line. Whoever's a champion and it's a breaker or
it's Bronson. You know that takes us over into the
new year.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Yeah, I think to your point earlier, Chrome got six
months to wrestle My, so a lot of time to
strategize on when the good time would be to have
that happen.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
I love the idea. I think.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
There's definitely plenty of time to do that and make
a decision. You could do it at the rumble. You
could distract she could distract, distract them from winning. They
could be one of the last two in there and
Shet the music hits. You could be in elimination chamber
where she winds up in the pot or like something

(31:31):
crazy like that. There's a lot of possibilities for that,
Ye sot a lot on the onion to peel there.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And speaking about a peel dungeon, let's
go on to our second topic here we get our
heel turn ons back down. Guys, say you takes something
that you know?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Eric.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Eric released the video to A two or to Lazzy
Book podcasts social media this week that seemed to do
very well in terms of views, discussing the situation where
Tiffany Stratton.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Ends up getting into trouble getting attacked.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Jay Cargill comes out, she pulls the save, and then
she turns on her by the way needed to happen.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Like Eric said in a video, did.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
You guys see the video or the picture the side
by side? And that is not by coincidence. I think
she knew exactly what it looked like and post exactly
like it where they did the scarface from Lion King
and her and the way the score is sitting on.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Our eyebrow, it looks just like scar from a Lion King.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm telling you, before ever ever.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Did it Yank can But I'm telling you boys, uh, Eric,
I'm gonna let you dive in again because you kind
of really hit into it. But I agree with a
lot of your take where this needed to happen. It's
going to open up a lot of opportunities, and I'm
telling you it is time. I don't know if Jade

(33:12):
would have been the person that I would have selected
to do it, but I don't care who it is.
If any Stratton needs to drop this title because it
is stale, it is awful, and I think that's a
girl that needs to take a break come back after
three months.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
And yeah, so going to what I talked about the
other day, definitely love the move as far as you
know the execution is concerned. I think that this sets
up obviously, it sets up the match on Saturday, and

(33:51):
I would be very surprised if Tiffy walks out of
there with with the title. Long term, I think to
your point, maybe she gets laid out, she's out, she's
gone for a while, Maybe gets moved to move the raw.
I know raw is a little heavy right now, maybe
you make a trade something like that. But long term,

(34:14):
we haven't seen in quite a while is Bianca bell
Air and that right there is a WrestleMania matchup I've
ever seen one. If you build Jade Cargo up to
this monster heel we saw an aew to an extent.
I like how she I really liked how she was
booked there. She was booked to be a monster, she
was booked to be unstoppable, and I think you can

(34:35):
recreate that in a wweesque way, and you've got plenty
of time for the next few months to do that.
You give her babyfaces to work with and and and
squash them and dominate, and then Bianca bell Air comes
back at the Royal Rumble or or WrestleMania season.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
What happened Jade? Why'd you do this?

Speaker 5 (34:58):
And it starts a natural you and an epic WrestleMania
match where Beyonca's chasing for the title. I mean, I
don't see. I just think it sounds simple but effective.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Agree that's right there the start. And then when they
had tiffed kash In back in January, I believe when
they tried to make her his face, that's when it
lost the luster and they never did the full sin.
And they've had opportunities during this title reign to turn

(35:36):
her heel. That's she works better as a heel. And
this iteration of herself, of her character, what she presents
on the mic, what she presents as in the ring
as well. I mean, if they wanted to, we all
seen it on what was it called ww Unreal, they
could have just leaned into what she did to Charlotte
right and still had the whole apology and lean into

(35:58):
it this yeah yeah, yeah, like that's what you that's
what you needed to elevate her. And now, yeah, like
you said, it's kind of similar to when we you
talked about when we were talking about Jay and then
the fans wanted Jay until they got Jay as a heel.
It's different. You don't need to carry matches. Jay doesn't

(36:19):
need to carry She has so many. If you can
do it with Naya and just trust me, Ni is
better in the ring than Jay, you can do it
with Jay. You can do it with Ja. She doesn't
need to do much, has a mee Chen. Who else
is on their BFAB credible like you don't have credible
credible faces on on SmackDown yet, but then once Bianka

(36:42):
comes back, whatever it is, this is the longest finger
I've ever seen to take the heal my life, longest
finger ever said to take to heal my life. But
that's that's a ready made story right there, or or
even if you don't go that right depending how long
they want this title ring to be with Jade, which
I think it starts at Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Prime.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Prime is ready for Naomi to come back, you know
what I mean, In a year from now, you're in it.
Whatever it is when she comes back, that's there for
you as well. But obviously I think Russell Mania forty
two we get Bianca versus Jay for the woman's world
heavyweight champ. That would be woman's a world heavy world championship,
women's championship, not world heavyweight.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
But yet yes, listen, I you know, to your point, with.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
That an opportunity, it probably was. He probably should have
leaned into it at that point. They didn't.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
And and listen, I think it worked in the beginning, right,
I thought it was a it was a change of course.
I think people really responded to the character in the beginning.
My point now that where I'm like, Okay, I'm good,
is I don't I don't see any in ring development.

(37:55):
I actually feel like a point she almost has regretts
like she's athletically incredibly talented. But there's something to be
said for in a lot of your response response in
your matches, there are things that don't go right, and
it could be some of it your fault and some

(38:15):
of it not.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
But it's it's a partnership.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
So if you unless somebody goes rogue, if one thing
doesn't work, you both got it wrong.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
So I think that.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
It's not just that it's then we started to recycle
back to Nya Jacks, and the story was there was
nothing different. The character didn't seem like she was anymore.
Like she may have said like, oh I beat you before,
but it didn't feel like a development of even confidence

(38:53):
for me with that. That's where I'm like, Okay, well
this just isn't This is not working for me. It's
I used to enjoy her matches and be excited to
see the progression.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
That was coming, but it's not coming anymore. We're just
kind of here.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
And I see what ae W is doing with a
Mercedes Monet who's on a much higher scale, so I
could see why they're going that direction. But regardless, it's
we're putting so much behind this one person when there
is other talent that deserves opportunities. And I just don't

(39:31):
see the almost an entire year being undefeated thing with Tiffany,
like she lost every match going up to it. And
I talk about this all the time, you no idea.
I don't care if people go on winning streaks, but
when you you have to maintain and obtain a level

(39:56):
of credibility when it comes to these situations, and when
you are in a situation where the title is the
reason why somebody can't lose, like they just ate a
mushroom out of a box with a question mark. It's
it's it's it just doesn't make any sense to me,
and that's where we're in it. It's like it's like

(40:18):
she just got the star out of the box and
now she's just.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I can't lose for a damn it makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
You know.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
The one thing that I would wish that they would
do more of that they used to do back in
the day. Where are these non title matches, like a
non have a non title match with a contender and
then have the and then have them lose like I,
like I said last week adversity, So I lost it.
I lost. I lost to them. Now they're gonna get

(40:47):
a title match. Now there's some doubt and now they
need to have their come up. It's like it's it's
it's textbook storytelling.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Number one contenders match, like a proving that. I can
imagine if imagine if right around Mania they lean into that,
right they have her get to win on Charlotte. Imagine
this visually. Visually, what do we always say she's just
this fit, blonde girl, right, what's the total opposite of
that fit brunette? Imagine if if Keanna James was her mouthpiece.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Oh, I mean one hundred percent, but that like you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, well this is where ae
W does get it righty right is the title eliminator matches.
Like I like the idea that everyone who gets a
title shot has to earn it, whether it's in a tournament, yeah,
or they have to win an eliminator match.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You want to talk, you want to shot at.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
The Television Championship or whatever, the TNT Championship, No problem,
Gotta go out and beat the person and earn the
shot first.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I love that idea, and it sets it up because
you get you get a rub from the person that's
the challenger that you make them believable.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Ye who but who better to beat to get that
title match? In the champion themselves? Yeah, it's it sounds
too simple. It's it's it's a simple formula.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
You'll hear, you'll hear every once in a while. Well,
it was a recent match in the PL where somebody
got the pin on the champion. It was in a
tag match or something like that. And then w w
A referenced that again. Well, we just been what does
this do for them?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Moving forward?

Speaker 3 (42:24):
We could it just you have all these spot matches
are row you have five hours apro four and a
half hours of program in a week.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
A guy they did that with last was jay U.
So jay got to pin on Roman in the tag
match and then he got a title match. He didn't win,
but it I mean, but he was legitimized because he
just beat Roman, who Roman hadn't taken a pin, taken
a pin in years. You're talking about money in the
bank last year, yes, yes, and then he got the

(42:55):
Summer last year in two years or two years ago. Yeah,
then that set up Summer Slam yep for the title.
So it's right there, there's your win. You don't need
to do a one on one match. Did the tag
match they got the pan? I mean, they've done it,
they've done it for a year, but they've gotten away
from that. I think that's that would have been a
perfect opportunity to uh to at least. And that's the

(43:18):
thing with the baby Face Champions, and keep talking, we
keep expressing expressing this. If there's no adversity, then why
am I Why am I rooting.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
For this person?

Speaker 5 (43:26):
Like there's nothing to fight for, there's nothing, there's nothing
that is telling me that they're gonna lose this match,
and we're gonna probably talk about that next with that
with Cody, yeah, oh oh.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Oh feel yeah, I feel pretty dive into that one.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I do.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
I don't get I I have zero ships. This is
the first time in my life a lifelong Cody Rhodes fan,
and everybody knows it, and I love Drew, but I
have zero ships to give about this match, I think.
And let's stay shocked me and I said it last week.
Please I challenge you to shock me, shock me and

(44:06):
have Drew win this match.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
But I'm not counting on it.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
I'm not holding my breath and if that doesn't happen
at the end of it, I'm gonna be the first
time I'm gonna be really disappointed.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
Where's the show? Where's the show? At Salt Lake City?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Salt Lake City is They're lucky it's not in New.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
York because Cody would get booed out of the building.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
And it's I mean, it's not.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
His it's not his fault, and that's not a knock
on him.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, it's not his fault. I mean's not his fault.
A non finished but like literally like if you we
talk about probably the best physique from size, from from
from height to size with everything is Drew. He's a
walking champion, Like this is just some bitch is big
and he doesn't look like it's too big for his frame.

(44:52):
He's the least believable challenger that you have, like because.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
He hasn't wont of Chrome says it every week. He
hasn't want big match. He doesn't win a big match.
He didn't beat Punk, he hasn't beaten Cody. He every
big match that he has he comes up short. So
at some point he becomes not believable and that and
it's unfortunate because to your point, p he is. He's
just you look up, you look up champion wrestler in

(45:21):
the dictionary, and there he is.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
When Vince said that this dude was the future back
in twenty ten, this is the the body of Drew
that he was talking about. Even if it's short, even
if you just do it to rumble like you have to, like,
you have to have this guy, You're gonna have him
on your roster. I think he signed he resigned an extension. Right,

(45:43):
just give him something, give him something, right, not just
it's beyond me. I think this year and when we
get into the hill, the top heel turns right. Based
off the list, this year for w W has been.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
A lot of.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
And so oh shit, this this could be great, to
the ball rolling off the table and then off of
a cliff mh with several things. And they've had great moments,
but the capitalization and the execution passed those moments has

(46:19):
been very, very lackluster.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
A very agreed. There's been a lot of substance. It's
not a lot of it's a lot of excitement only
to be let down.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yep, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
And and as Eagles fans, it's almost like you have
all this talent, you have a fucking Ferrari and you're driving.
It's been like it's a Honda Civic, that's a two
thousand and two, you know what I mean, All this talent,
all this talent, and it's just like, just give them
the ball and go, give them the ball and go.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah, so we'll.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
See yeah uh and obviously so yeah, Cody'll win.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
That's all conversation. CODYO win, will go. We'll move forward.
I don't know what you do with Drew. You got
to move him somewhere. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I'm what you do with Cody at that point. Either
it's it's double it's double ship because we don't believe Drew.
And then what's next for Cody?

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Who Yeah, thats what we said last week. It's like,
what's what's next for either one?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Maybe this version of solo? Maybe, but.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I like this version of solo. By the way, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
So I was back. Appreciate you coming back. My friend says,
why won't they let Sam Punk Turnhill? Is that, uh
he takes a lot of money and be left on
the table or ship? I apologize money will be left
on the table and hate turning Jay Hill.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
I don't think either is turning Hill. Yeah, I don't
think either is turning Hill. I think there's a tease
of could Jay Turnhill, But I don't think we're gonna
I don't think that's gonna be something that happens. I
don't think there's the money's on the table with Punk
to be hel Uh, everybody for years John Cena is

(48:16):
there would be money on the hill for seeing at
a turn heel, and obviously that got rejected after the
initial coolness of seeing it, which, by the way, we're
gonna talk about a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
If he does this to what you guys are talking about,
if he's the one that goes to SmackDown and he's
the one that challenges Cody, then yes, because you need
an uber uber babyface to turn somebody like Punk Hill.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I don't I don't even know if you need to.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
You don't need to for those still like we're on
the same page.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Yeah, I don't think you need to, only because we
know people know the history of those two and they
haven't really had that match where you know, in this
in that situation, in that environment, in that wrestle that's
a WrestleMania on that on that moment, that stage, on

(49:10):
that stage, they haven't had that had that match. But
the story kind of like we talked about with the
story writing itself, with scene an aj styles, the story
of Punk and Cody rights itself. It's there and I
think both can go in his baby faces and you
probably just because if Cody stays the champion until if

(49:32):
that's what the WrestleMania match is going to be, I
would imagine, especially the way it was in Vegas last year,
Punk's getting uber cheered no matter if he's a or
a face. I just I just think that environment. They're
gonna cheer punk anyway, whether you make the turn.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Since he came back, I'm tired. I'd probably never do it.
But Cody carries himself if a was my eyes and
listen to him talk, how he holds the title, the
suits he's It's like I'm watching Flair from eighty eight,
and they just they just won't lean into it like
he like he carries himself like a heel different the

(50:14):
way he looks, the way he holds the title, the
way he talks. I mean, now, it's different. When he
ran out, he do these runnings in the track suit
like okay, okay, that's you know what I mean. But open,
but open. He want to rustle on Tuss and do
nightmare kicks or disaster kicks in a five thousand dollars
suit with two thousand dollars shoes on, Like I digress.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, he's another one. I don't have a desire to
see Cody ever turn hill. I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Metality is, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I think they just need to do a better job.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
But they need to do a better job at building
opponents him and that, and that's their problem. And Eric's
talking about this a million times. They they have not
buildings on spacum to legitimately go up against him, and
it's it's putting his title run into question. Yeah you

(51:08):
have something new, like shave his hair, put sleek look
with jealousy.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
I expected, I'm sorry, change his hair every time you
turn around. Yeah you're talking about he's talking Punk.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
She I'm not sure what you are, Safa, but Safa
talked about us with Punk last year, so I'm assuming
that we're a big Punk fan. I just think that
we're at the point where hair beard, no beard, no hair,
sm saam, Punk is beyond heal and face. The people

(51:47):
who love him are going to cheer him anyway anyway,
like it's it's it's not like it was in two
thousand and any in two thousand and nine with the
straight Edge, you know, the straight Heade Society and all
of the different things he did to where like he's
a he's a way bigger star. I don't think they

(52:07):
look at Punk in any way, shape or form of
Oh if we turn him here, we're gonna like at
this point, I think the focus is on up like
people like Brandy Yort and like you're not.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
They're they're above it because that on that same level.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Yeah yeah, like Randy Morton already works. He works as
a face when he wants to be a face, and
a heel when he wants to be a heel. But
he's the same guy every time.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Roman's the same way. Roman did not change, No.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
He didn't, except for he likes the fans cheering him. Now.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
I love that. That's That's the thing I can't stand
in wrestling is when a heel is so over for
what they're doing, they're getting cheered, and then they just
change everything they and not all once, but eventually then
they're like, you know, their their promos changed, their style changes,
and then then nobody cares and you see, you've seen

(53:04):
it throughout the years, and then they got to turn
them heel again. So it's like what.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I've done that I love now. In certain cases, like
I would have loved to on the levity of what
we saw at wressel maing a forty one at Night one,
I think that warranted some sort of change for Seth
in my opinion, because that was so divergent of what
we see and who was and who he was aligning itself.

(53:30):
Oh yeah, but but in most cases, like you said,
when it's a heel and you're getting over, you're doing this,
you're doing that, don't don't flip the switch and do
a three sixty, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
So, but.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Yeah, so we'll see final match to the Night Triple
Threat match defending against Penta and RUSSEV. Here we go,
Here we go, Here we go again, these too. I
just I don't get it. Penta came in with so

(54:03):
much momentum ye and here we are. Penta continues to
lose matches.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
On the flip side. We bring back Russeph.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
He's the character he was in a w which made
you think, Okay, I mean it didn't work in two companies,
but maybe now with under running this, he's there's going
to be something there, right, and it ain't working.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
So I don't know why we're even having this match
at this point.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
If you're not going to take I'd rather than I'd.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Rather them put the tag team title match that's set
for SmackDown next week or is it row whatever wrong,
I don't even know, Like at this point, rather the
tag team title match on Raw aj Raw Dragonly match
against uh Finn and JDD.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I'd rather see that on this card than this match.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I just because like they haven't made the challenge is believable.
Like if you one of those matches with roussef Right,
maybe the first one he does, he does a low blow.
This one here you have him put him into accolade
and he just doesn't let go. You have him get
DQ like or something like something to make Russeph feel

(55:32):
like he has that moniker like like you said when
he first came back and then with Pensa. It's just
I mean, I thought it was a chance if you
look at it, I think Dom is the next to Tiff.
Dom is the longest run in champion this year.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, he's had it for a while.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
He's had it for going on what six seven months now.
He wanted that mania.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
First of all, I love that for Donn. But the
fact that we have to say next to Tiff.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Anyway, all right, get your pointed, because I would love
to move on.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
From this real quick. So I think what Pete said
earlier about somebody not needing the title, I don't think
Tom needs the inter Continental title anymore.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
I don't think so. And I think to your point,
chrome these two guys. One of these guys could uh
could definitely benefit from a title, and it's one or
the other.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I would like.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
I would like to see a raging with Penta, but
we're going to Yeah, and that's also a way where
Dom doesn't get pinned. He kind of gets cheated out
of the like it's kind of just been it's ironic
because he's been cheating his way through these wins anyway.
So he finally gets cheated out and then Adam Pearce
is like, ha ha, joke's on you, and then you

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go from there. But I don't think that happens. I
think Dom retains. I think he's gonna pull something else out.
But if they were to, you know, I could see why.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I would rather if it's not Don than Penzerl.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, agreed, agreed. So yeah, so that's our Saturday Night's
main event preview. I'm picking Dom to win the match.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I would love it to be pent I think we're
all on that same page.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
So we wanted to dive into this.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
This this is something that came out in March and
shout out to Don Don who's always here for us
on all of our A two D radio shows. Back
in March, the WWE released a Greatest Healed Turns top.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
It was like a top thirty or something.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Right over the last week, social media's kind of picked
back up on it. So we we never we weren't
on the air, right so we never really talked about it,
and we wanted to have a fun topic to talk about.
So I have listed a number of turns that are

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not on this list, but I.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I would love to take a look at WWE's list first.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
So let's do that, and we're talking just the initial turn,
not how it ended, just the initial turn.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
I believe it has initial turn on there because if
you look at number one, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
You're gonna look at it in one second. So okay,
let me get the boutner off here.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Okay, so ww ranked there ten here and I'll read
it off. Uh So at number ten, Triple H attacks
Brian Daniel Bryan leading to Randy were and catching and
money at the back. Number nine, Nikki Bella turns on Bribella.
Number eight, Jimmy Usso turns on Jay Husso number seven.

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Becky Lynch turns on Charlotte Flair at SummerSlam. Number six
Xavier and Kochee turn on Biggie. Number five, Dom turns
on his father Ray number four. Shawn My turns on
Marty Jenetny, which is one of the standards of heal turns.
Let's be honest, Seth route number three. Seth Rollins turns
on the Shield, another standard.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Number two.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Hogan joins the nWo and in a clear sign of
recency biased John Sena turns on Cody Rhodes is the
number one, and I loved the John Cena He'll turn.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
In the moment that it happened.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Yes, I take that moment and I put it up
in the same exact level of another really famous heel
turn that happened WrestleMania one.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Where Steve Austin joined mister McMahon screwed the rocket WrestleMania seventeen.
The execution was great, the follow through not so much.
This is today's modern day version of that.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
How you can have the number guys who as number
two on any list is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Okay, I agree. I want you guys to let's get
your thoughts on it. There's the first thought, and then
I'm gonna throw out other ones. But I want to
see what you guys think, because there's a lot on
the list that I don't mind. I didn't rank them
number wise. I could tell you for me, the Hogan
heel turn is not just the biggest heel turn of

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all time. It's the biggest moment, the most shocking moment
in professional wrestling history, only closely followed maybe by the
Undertaker streak. Ending as something that you could put in there,
but I just I don't understand, maybe because it wasn't

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their company at the time, even though they own it now.
But I mean this is before Hogan died, and I
imagine if they did it now, they might even be one.
But the recency bias that happened on this list is
crazy to me. And I love that I would put
that on the top ten, right, but maybe number ten.
I want to get what do you gotta?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
So we're talking WW and WW owns right, So we're
not going outside in New Japan A.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
So there's no New Japan, there's no ae W.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
You know, when I put a couple down, I thought, man,
I mean they work with TNA.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Imagine they're going to owe them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
At some point. Maybe I throw that in there, But
obviously they didn't include that. It's simply things that WWE
has owned now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
One big one that stands well. Two that stand out
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Corporate Rock.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
That's a good one, and Kevin Owens and Sammy's A
and NXT it's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Underrated that's a really good one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I mean also say, I mean I would probably I mean,
for what it did at the time and how shocking
it was, I would probably take off number six and
probably put Chomper Turning on Gargano too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
That's a good one. And it's a you know, it's
not the bigger names. Yeah, but the way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
That was done right, what it led to that was brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah, Oh my god, that was attack.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
I got a couple of old school ones and then
I got a more recent one, Flair turning on Dusty
in the cage, turning on the basically creating the horsemen
with Arn and Oi attacking Dusty and they locking him
in the cage and beat the beat the snot out
of them. Also horsemen, Barry Wyndham turning on left Sluger.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I was going to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I was going to do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
It JJ JJ pulling the strings and that they were
the tag team champions. I think at the time, weren't
they were they were the tag.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Champs, they were attack champs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
When I'm like, no, I'm done, I'm done.

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
Another one that I really love, it's just sentimental is
mach a man turning on Hogan.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Okay on Saturday, next main event, I got one more?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
How is that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
The right right throws Elizabeth.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
And then Hogan comes out explode.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I mean, yeah, man, yeah, man.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
One recent one that I completely forgot about, and it's
ironic because it's almost seven years to the day. So
if you remember the Monday Night Raw where Roman came
out and said he had leukemia. M that night, Ambrose
and Rollin's defendive tag team titles and Ambrose turned on

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Rollins forgot now with the paradigm shift and the ring Yeah,
and then he just went he went to town on him.
That is kind of one that you would put on
the execution after bucket where the shop IUE was there,
But afterwards, I think, what do you wear like a
one of those like gas masks, and it just didn't work.

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And I think before he was gone that was they
went up turning him back anyway, or I forget exactly
what happened. But the shock value of that, I think,
and the the ironic Roman making that announcement, I think,
you know, just threw threw everybody off on that night.
But uh yeah, those are my and the WrestleMania seventeen one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
That one.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
It's a crime that that one's not on the list
because nobody saw Austin doing that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Oh, there's more, there's more.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
I got There's one big one I'm thinking about that's
happened within the last twenty years. That's should be honest list.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Oh I got one. Oh, I got one. Pete you
want to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Go minus is uh child lit turning on Eddie?

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Ooh, that is a good one.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
I got HBK turning on Hogan on fourth of July
to lead up to that after their tag match to
set up SummerSlam.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
So good one in terms of two iconic characters, right,
I wouldn't put it on a list anywhere. I think
for our generation, it was a cool moment. I got
a couple of really good ones for you, first of all,
And we have to look at the technicality doesn't have
to be this specific like he started in this moments

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O face. How about Roman going out for leukemia and
coming back in twenty twenty to attack everybody at the heel.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Right, nobody knew what he was and then it wasn't it.
I don't even think that was the moment. The moment
was when they came and we saw him in there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
That was the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
I mean, but that's what it was supposed to be,
right that, How do we not go Roman as a
healed by the way, how do we not go? You
sink for getting a DX reunion and Triple H attacks
Seawn Michaels Yes, return in the ring, guys like it's set.
It literally kicks started Shawn Michael's entire second phase of

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his career, which was better.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Than the first phase.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
That's to me, it's just like and speaking of Sean
Michael's personal favorite Chris Jericho putting his head through the
Jeri Tron six that, Oh yeah, I mean I was
inha that's another great one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
What else I got here?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I mean, you guys said that I got two more
and then you hit yours truth. This is just one.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
I liked the execution, right, I mean, I don't think
the long term meant anything, but the storyline leading up
to WrestleMania twenty with Jericho and Christian and the whole
like courting the ladies and they have Ochris, Jericho falls
for Trish and then Trish turns on him, joins Christian,
they make out in front of his face. Anyway, that

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was a great one and to me, again, the fact
that this is not on this list is an absolute
crime to me, the double turn at WrestleMania thirteen for
Brett Hart and Steve Austin. That is a kickoff point
for the Austin era hitting that next level and for
Brett Park basically setting the tone for what is feud

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with Sewn Michaels was going to be leading into a
Montreal screwjob. It is such a pivotal He'll turn and
professional wrestling that it is a crime that that is
not on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
That I've got.

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
I've got two horrible ones when going back, but they're
but they're fun because though so SummerSlam ninety four to
Tonka versus Lex Luger, everybody thinks that. Everybody thinks Luger

(01:07:55):
is the one that sold out and ta Tonka. Every
week you sold out, Lex, you sold out out to
the Midion Dow the Man and winds up to Tanka
winds up taking the money and running with the million
Dollar Man. That one's always fun. The other one nineteen

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ninety two, Sid Justice joint Uh turns.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
On a Cogan.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
The Sid Justice gets cheered at the Royal Rumble and
they have to and they have to change the Uh,
change the audio to show that UH and the and
the announcer team to legitimize Hogan back as a babyface.
And then he didn't get a damn he like what
and Hogan's the heel. Yeah, Hogan was the heel throw

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holding his arm, throwing him out. And then Sid Uh
going off at the press conference when he doesn't become
the number one contender.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Poor sid got screwed.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
Oh yeah, and then uh and then he turned and
then he winds up leaving him in the tag match
on Saturday Main Event. And then the next the best
is the next day at the barbershop when he gets
a shade cream Oliver.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
All right, Peter said, man, what a great time happened.
We were very fortunate to have said on our show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
And again.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Again, yeah, I mean whatever he did, he tried, he
tried to execute it. Well, wasn't always execute like he
was in it. He was in it. I'll give you
one good one from from n W A is uh
and it's an in infamous moment and we probably hadn't
seen anything like this on TV. We saw w W

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try to do something during the pandemic recently involving this
body part. But I'm gonna go Road Warriors and Dusty
Roods when he took the spike to the eye.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
Oh yeah, that's a real good one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Ye, I didn't notice bikes were removable. Nobody I have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
I have two just dropped in my head and I
can't that we didn't think of these either, obviously. When
Paul Hayman turned on Rock Lesnard to join Big Show one, uh,
it was two.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
It was two.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
It was the year they did this is the year
they did the first elimination chamber.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
And then I mean you talked about going into the
new generation, Eric Paul bart turning on the Undertaker. The
fact that that, the fact that that's not on the
list is an absolute atrocity as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
You could go ohen Heart turning on Brett Hard and
Royal Rumble and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
He kicked his leg into her, my leg into your leg.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
Like again, I'm looking at this list, right, like all right,
like I take two, three, four hundred percent. You could
make an argument for five depending on where Dom ends up,
although I don't. I don't love the execution of that
because I knew.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
And I you can kind of see it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
It's document. I knew exactly what was going to happen.
It wasn't shocking, it wasn't surprising. I do think it's
it's going to be proving to be a pivotal moment
in his career, but I don't. I didn't love it.
I didn't love the New Day turn on Bigie personally
wasn't my bag.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I know some people liked it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
I did Becky and turning on Charlotte was awesome, but
ultimately ended up not really being a turn.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
It made her more of a face. So I would
take that off the list just for that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
I think the Xavier and KOFE was was necessary, and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
It was, but I didn't like the execution.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Well, first, the execution was pretty solid, but now they've
gone back to what they were doing before. But they're
now they're just heels. They're kind of a comic act,
but their heels like it's like you're doing the same
you're doing the same thing in a sense, but now
you're you're just a heel instead of a baby face.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
But at number ten, I don't remember the lead into
what how Tripps was acting to even consider that a heel.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
So really, oh that was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
I don't remember it, Like I'm not I don't know
if he was hyping Daniel up at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
So he was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
The special guest referee. It was him.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
It was seen and I remember that the lead.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
And then he was raising his hand and then he hit.
He turned his back, he hit with he was making
a big deal like, oh, he had this big moment.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
Yeah, and he was doing the yes, yes, yes with
Brian and then Brian like goes up towards the ropes
and then he turns around Harter hits him with the
pedigree and then Randy comes in, hands him and you
know he has that. Randy comes in, hands it to
him and he says to the he hands it to
the timekeeper and he says, bring it and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Yeah, you see, I mean I don't be a heel,
so I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yeah, that was a really good one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
That was a good you know obviously, like it wasn't
really a heel.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Turn, but you could have went to like when they
turned on on Randy Yorton, but it wasn't really a
heel turn.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
It was just then kicking him out of the group.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
Right right, that's like anyway, That's like when Sid turned
on Sean after WrestleMania. They were both heels, but Sid
just had.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Enough another good one. I just thought about that Sean,
not Sean, no so much, but it was somebody close
to Sean. But when Diesel turned on Brett, that was
a Saviras series.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
The camera, right, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
He just lost the title that he just snapped on him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Yeah, yeah, you think about like this list were talking
about who who has had more people turn heel against them?

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Is it is it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Sean?

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
Well, I mean listen, Baker, big big shows, big shows
jump back and forth, one thousand big. I'll say this,
speaking of big show underrated one, we obviously knew that
you had Hogan, Hole and Mash. You go back to
that point at w c W and that was really
the kick start of when you didn't know to show

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up where n W is kicking everyone's ass and they
come and he goes and Bischoff of all people does
the Giant here comes to the Giant lookout and w O.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
And then your today say thank God for the Giant.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
For the Giant look and he says, yeah, the Giant
lookout and then he goes, whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
What the Giant the Giant.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
That was on Savage, wasn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
That was?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
I think you're I think you're right, Yeah, Savage.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
I think it was a part the Giant.

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
Yeah, dynasty, that is what I totally forgot about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Oh dude, Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Back and turning on Bratt.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Yeah, yes, that's a good one, mister superstars.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
You got a title match and he lost and he oh,
he smacked him and then he put him in the
chicken wing. Oh that was a good call out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
That was thanks very. That's my lady there dropping in dropping.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
We know, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
That's a good one right there though, I mean, I'm
telling and then.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
He does the's gonna be mad at me for not
pointing that one out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
That's one of our fats.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
I put a chicken wing on a kid in school
because he dared me too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
First of all, I used to do it to my
all the time. But I have a picture from Money
in the Bank twenty thirteen Bob back when the dinner
and it was like twenty bucks or whatever, and they
did like one of those like digital WWE cover magazines.
They spelled my.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Name all on it. They put e al instead A.
But he legit put the cross faced chicken wing on me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Did it hurt?

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Yeah, that fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Hurt like I can't even say without dropping the f
it hurt like. And so his face in the picture
and my faith, although cool looking for a pose, was
indeed not a pose. It was legitimate where I was like, dude,
you're fucking hurting my arm, please let me go. I

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almost had to tap out, but I'm grateful for the picture.
It's an awesome look at picture and hid sight and
they didn't crack my shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
But yeah, I was. I was put in the Bob
Backlok version of the chicken. He procured it. He procured
it on you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
He procured it. I think that though if I still
don't know if I know that equibian is that was
good stuff. Yeah, that was good, A lot of really
good heel turns though. Oh man, this was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
And we were talking about maybe adding a segment of
something like this, like going forward, maybe not every single week, right,
but randomly real quick. I do want to throw this
in there programming alert to everybody out there. I teased

(01:17:40):
it on our social media. We have booked a guest
to come in and join us next Thursday at six
pm for a thirty minute sit down with us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Not come in, but obviously join us online. Very excited
for this one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Oh all right, we're gonna yeah, we're gonna be welcoming
current nw A superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
We've actually, we've been fortunate enough to have quite a few.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
N w A stars here.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
We've had Brian or yeah, Brian Idol, We've had ac three.
Happy to have Aaron on now as well. Everybody knows
Arion Steve or Aaron Stevens, also known by ww fans
as Damian Sandow. We're gonna have him on thirty minute conversation.
We're gonna touch on a couple of things with him.

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We want to obviously want to talk about his time
with Cody and talk about times and put the money
in the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
What what are we going to talk about her? What's
the best thing that that was going at the stunt?

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Double stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Oh my god, oh version of mis miss now, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Oh my God, it's the We're gonna ask him about
the stunt double stuff. And also we want to make
sure that we talk to him about what's going on
with NWA because he's been working in NWA.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
He's you know, he's been a.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
A manager. He works in in ring talent sometime. So yeah,
so it's gonna be great, and we want to and
we want to ask him about his thoughts on the
John Cena farewell tour.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
You know, why wouldn't we. He's a guy who was
around for John's time there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
And then I think getting some insight on some people,
especially somebody who you know, we haven't really seen talk
a whole lot about these kinds of things would be
a really good opportunist time. So we are going to
have our regular show next week on Tuesday, where we
are going to recap Saturday Night.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Saturday Night's main event may not be an hour and
a half show or an hour show. We may just
literally recap it and call it a day, because we're
coming at you as well on Thursday. So just a
reminder programming learn on a two D.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Social media or on the Lazy Booking YouTube page the
next day or later on in the evening that night
will drop a replay, but you will be able to
check out our two shows next week. So I want
to thank Pete for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Thanks Pete, thank you for having me. Good show tonight. Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
So this was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
We knew, we knew once we got to the the
heel turn stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
We could go another like five hours stuff be cracking
each other up.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Absolutely not even look, hey, I'm not say who turned
into a solo that talk about a heel turn. Eric
can't turn if you're already ill look at my damn name.
You can't turn heel if you've already been, but now listen,
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Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
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Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
We love to have you know, some new faces pop in.
We've been seeing it over the last couple of weeks
and we got a lot of fun stuff. Coming up.
We're working on something special for John Cena's like the
leading to the Saturday Night's main event December thirteenth and
the recap. So stay tuned if this happens, it's gonna

(01:21:34):
be I think a really fun to watch this show.
If we can get on here, who we want, who
we may be able to get on here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
So again for myself, for Eric from March, for Pete
mister o GPA, jud I would say, O GP throws
me off. See Pete tomorrow they'll be doing clips.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Don't lie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
We appreciate you guys. Love you guys. Tell somebody you
love them out there and have a great week. Uh
and by the way, clap your hands ten night eight
and go Burns you guys.

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