Lazy Booking Podcast presented by A2DRadio Ep:21 WWE Enters the Era Of Punk

CM Punk as WWE World Heavyweight Champion will last until at least WrestleMania: #AGREE or #DISAGREE?

• CM Punk’s World Title Outlook
• Jade Cargill Captures WWE Women’s Title
• John Cena’s The Last Time Is Now Tournament
• Logan Paul helps The Vision

WWE Saturday Night’s Main Event has come and gone, with multiple title changes taking place that have changed the landscape heading into WrestleMania season. CM Punk defeated Jey Uso to capture the World Heavyweight Championship, kicking off the Era of Punk. This begs the question… What’s next for CM Punk as world champion? Following his table-setting promo on Raw, we discuss and debate the outlook for Punk’s run, including potential opponents and if he will carry the title to WrestleMania. In other news, Jade Cargill dominated Tiffany Stratton to capture her first WWE Women’s Championship. Did WWE make the right decision shifting the title off of Tiffany and on to Jade, and what lies ahead for Jade Cargill as champion? Also announced at SNME, John Cena’s final opponent will be decided through a 16-Man Tournament, fondly named The Last Time Is Now Tournament that kicks off next week on Raw in Boston. The tournament will include talent from Raw, Smackdown and NXT, as well as talent from outside of the WWE bubble. We discuss the first 4 names announced on Raw, as well as potential candidates for the tournament. Finally, we discuss the opening and closing segments of Raw, leading to Logan Paul assisting The Vision in attacking CM Punk and Jey Uso to close out the show, leaving a number of questions open. Is Logan Paul joining Paul Heyman and The Vision, and Cousy this have Survivor Series War Games implications? Join us for a an action-packed episode this week of the Lazy Booking Podcast on A2D Radio! S/P: Specialized Physical Therapy | specializedphysicaltherapy.com

Episode Transcript

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Our opening topic here on a two D radio Cmpunk
as WWE World Heavyweight Champion will last until at least WrestleMania.
Do you agree or disagree with that statement? Wherever you're
at again, please chime in join the conversation. But my

(03:38):
guest co host today, we're gonna let you kick this
one off, buddy. See Himpunk defeats Jay Usso on Saturday
Night's main event in a clean finish. Yeah, we weren't
sure if that was gonna happen. Uh to win the
world heavyweight titles. So do you agree to disagree with
that statement that he will hold this title to at

(03:58):
least WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think he almost has to, right, if you look
at what's coming up, you've got Survivor Series. Well, I'm sorry,
Saturday Night's main event, Survivor Series another Saturday Night's main event,
Royal Rumble Chamber. I don't. And let's assume for a

(04:23):
second he's involved in the war Games match at Saturday
Night's main event. You're not gonna have him drop the
title at Summer Slime. Not Summer Slime Royal Rumble. Whatever
happens at the Rumble, I think for Punk is going
to help set up his match at WrestleMania. I think,

(04:44):
while yes, Punk did main event WrestleMania last year Night one,
I think, honestly, there is a way we could see
him being the main event for Night two and walking
in as a champion. I assume for a second that
there is no Roman for WrestleMania, at least for the

(05:07):
main event picture. There's no John Cena. Obviously he's gone
sets out. We don't know for how long sets out,
but we know it's an indefinite amount of time unless
you're gonna I would think you're gonna put Bron Breaker
in the Royal Rumble, have him go on and win it,
and then it sets up that story for Bron to

(05:29):
finally take the title off of punk. We're gonna talk
about it later. Obviously, the ending the Monday night we're
off him last night, I think that plays into this heavily.
Whatever happened there, and with Logan Paul assisting the vision,
I think that's going to lead into whatever one War

(05:50):
Games is going to look like. But two position Logan
for a title shot at one of these upcoming Saturday
night's main events.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I mean maybe the one on December thirteenth. You know,
we'll see that's the one that directly follows Survivor series.
So you know, to your point, we're going to discuss
a little bit later. I I as far as the
ending goes, I think that we are heading in that
same direction, uh in terms of what we're going to

(06:20):
get in the War Games match. But I would agree
to the pole question for sure. I don't. First of all,
Seth confirmed this week he is out for six months.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Did he all right? I missed that.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, he was on Good Morning Football in the NFL network.
He's like a periodic guest on there, and he pops
in and joins them and talks bears. He's actually a
pretty smart football guy.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I've heard that.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, so yeah, yeah, So he did a guest appearance
and he showed up on there and he did announce
that he's out for six months.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
So his arms in one of the I won't say
a sling, right, It's more like one of those braces,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, it's like a cast. It's a it's a it's
a form of a cast.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Okay, yes it is.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
So, I think without setting the picture at this point.
You know, it's tough because I've been very much against
this idea of putting the title on Bronson early or
Broun early. I don't think transitional champions help. You know,
the idea was thrown out. Give it to l A.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Knight.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I don't like the idea. I don't think that helps
l A. Knight. I think it's actually ignorance.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
My question to that, how do I get there? Well?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
You could have gotten there through the injury by having
him win the title or winning the Battle World. You
could have gotten it.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
But I'm saying now it's Punk being championed, right. That's
where this question comes in at Punk is champion? Does
it last to WrestleMania. If somebody's saying l A. Knight, right,
how do you get there?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well? Again, that was the name that was bought a
prior to to putting that.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
No, I haven't heard that now, but we've talked about
it on this show. This idea of like you talked
about the main event of WrestleMania, and we're correct, Punk
did knock that Notch off, right, he got that that
you know, that monkey on his off of his back,
so to speak. Right, correct, So now you're I agree

(08:27):
in that we're looking at a championship match being featured
as the main event a WrestleMania is the next step
for him, right. I think it's the next you know,
notch on the belt, so to speak. So I'm intrigued
to see because I do agree with you that I
think we need a title match in the picture for
him to close out one of the show. I don't

(08:47):
care if it's Night one or Night Too. To me,
I consider them both main events. I know some people
will say, well, you're not the main event unless you're
on Night Too. I don't necessarily agree with that. There
are two full shows. To me, you main event, you
main event, doesn't matter which night. You get the big
firework display or you get the big send off at
the end. Of the show you main event that night?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
But that being said, you know we've talked about it
on here. This idea of even if he wins the title,
like it would set out of the picture. What is
the next Like where does seem Punk go? Because is
it Cody Rhodes? Is that where we need to go
for WrestleMania and give cm punk that match? But he

(09:34):
would have to drop the title again? How do we
get there? You know, money in the bank is no
longer in the picture Royal Rumble? Could he drop the
title before the Royal Rumble on Saturday Night's main event?
In a hot shot? I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
So it's it's interesting. I'm looking at their event schedule
right now, kind of leading up to WrestleMania. The next
event is Survivor Series in three weeks time. After that,
it's the December thirteenth, Saturday Night's main event, the last
John Cena's last match, whereas my mouse, I don't want

(10:17):
to get the dates right here. After that, it's another
Saturday Night's main event on January twenty fourth. Then you
have the World Rumble in Saudi Arabia. Then you go
to the Elimination Chamber in Chicago and then WrestleMania, so

(10:43):
I don't. I can see you run in and it's
like and I'm sorry, I keep bouncing around. But the
Pole question very heavily dictates with the last segment you
have on here, Logan Pole helps the vision. We've already
determined five of the possible ten people that are now

(11:06):
gonna be in the Wargames match, right, so that takes
care of that. That's going to alternately lead to Logan
Paul still wanting his title shot. There's your December thirteenth.
Then you could argue almost putting either Bronson Reid or
bron Breaker in the shot on the twenty sixth in Montreal,

(11:33):
I'm sorry, the twenty fourth in Montreal, which would then
spawn you all right, they don't win there because you're
not gonna have the title change hands there. Then you're
gonna have all right, say you know better again, Bronson Reid,
Bronson Reids on the twenty fourth because quote unquote he
beat Roman Reigns YadA, YadA, YadA. All right, cool, awesome,

(11:55):
And they're doing this weird thing where Paul's putting over
Bronson Reed before he puts over Broun Breaker and they're
really leaning into here's what Bronson Reid's done, YadA YadA, yadda,
and then there's just this badass in Bron Breaker. I
don't know if it's intentional. It could just be stylistic, right,

(12:16):
let's lean into that for a second. Though. They use
the fact that Bron Bron's all right, fuck this Read,
I'm just calling them last names now.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Read.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Reid has beaten Roman reigns and Breaker has to run
the gauntlet through the Royal Rumble. I think he's the
iron man of that match. I think this is really
gonna be his here to shine and show off, literally
roll through everybody, because you think about it, we haven't
had a number one start and go all the way

(12:48):
to the end and win it in a minute. Meanwhile,
then that will set them up for WrestleMania, and then
I think you'll protect you protect both of those men
until wrestle Mania, and then that's where Breaker beats Punk
for the title. Unless you're gonna do something drastic like
a heel turn. Speaking of heel turns, look at this

(13:08):
dapper y apper. I put him over and he flips
me off. That's cute.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I was I was just getting something on my forehead.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Man, sure, sure, yeah, he's got that fresh fade. He's
looking good.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Alright, Like I said, dapper yepper.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Said, what's going on? He'd have a legend. What's it?
Film don't lie, Film don't line?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
And I got it right.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Uh, I just want to say, clips don't lie. I
don't know why film don't lie?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
You like clips?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I don't know what is that live? Are you guys
recording it?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
So it's too late for the old man to go
live at ten thirty at night. Those days are over.
So we are recording at nine and it'll drop tomorrow
morning at eight o'clock.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Right, I don't blame you. Hey, I'm not anymore. And
I love my boys on Wednesday nights. And I've been
trying to get back on a little bit, but I
was the ten thirty starts were a little much for
me too, because I'm I'm starting work some days at
five six a m.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I started I was seven to six today, second
day in a row. You did the young kid over here.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Up here, up here, and a young.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
He has the least hair out of all of us
on his head. I don't know about the rest of it.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
You're never going to know that answer.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I'm just say I got more hair on my chin
than you guys have on your total heads combined. Right now.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I choose to get mine cut off, sir, Look here,
so did I I think God? I think God did
that for you.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
God help, But I made I made the decision when
to cut it off. I'm not somebody that held on too.
I made the right call it the right time. Anyway,
No rain, this back in, all.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right, welcome, welcome in. Peter Evans from film Don't Lie,
A two D legend as well contributed to the Lazy
Booking podcast two Weeks in a Row, Appreciate and join us.
Got like that, but I mean it's gotta be the
collared shirt to mister Rogers shirt with the wave.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Oh my god, it is mister Rogers. That's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
But uh pete we we dove into the poll question
sampunk as w W World Heavyweight Champion will last until
at least WrestleMania. Agree or disagree? We got the godfather
of a two D ray is going on.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
It's I love it.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
He's with us. Do you agree or disagree with me?
And Andy both agree. I think it's hard at this
point to take the title off. This is kind of
the one part where we kind of miss Eric a
little bit because he might disagree because he he does
believe there can be a path to get us there,
of course taking the title off of Punk, but I

(16:05):
can't at this point for s particularly after the promo
last night. But I want to get your thoughts their pete.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
My heart says agree, No, I'm sorry, vice versa. My
mind says agree, my heart wants to disagree. I'm gonna listen.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
We're fighting now, let's go.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm gonna listen to my heart. I'm gonna disagree to
the poll.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So so give us because I'm glad you did, because
we need to hear the other side. How do we
get there?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think there's this five letter word out there. It
starts with the be.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
God.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Maybe, And I'm not saying I'm not saying. I'm not
saying he has to be champion, but he can cost
him the championship. There's a lot of or seeing Punk
has to walk around with the bulls with os in
the back of his head because at some point he's
not liked by anyone who can he rely on. I

(17:11):
don't think the j thing is going to be long standing.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I think turning heel and I.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Think it's gonna happen at as Survivor series if we
get to war Games the logan Paul thing, I think
that is more set up for the War Games match.
Is he truly aligned with the vision? Like I said mine,
mind wise, I think it's the it's the path of

(17:36):
least resistance to get him to Mania with the title.
I don't know if it's the best for business, but
ultimately I don't know even putting it the title on
him now was the best for business short term and
long term in my opinion. Like I said on last
week's Lazy Bucking podcast show, I don't know if I

(17:58):
go I would have went in this direction in the
first place.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, it's weird because, like I know, we've been debating
it for weeks, and now that it's here, it's like,
like I I feel like I saw the path to
get to wrestle Mania if you put the title on Jay,
like you could have did the whole bloodline triple threat

(18:24):
at Mania at a main event one of the nights,
Like you could have did that, and then it could
have opened up to get Cody and Punk together like
to me, that's money that sells both nights. But now,
but then at the same time in the short term,
I'm kind of like, I like, I feel like Punk
kind of I'll kind of made sense. I mean, now

(18:47):
that we're here now, I don't, I don't know, because
I don't, I don't. I don't see where it's at now.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I think putting the title on Jay, had they gone
that direction, while yeah, you know what, it might be
a little bit easier to book it out right from
now to WrestleMania because I won't lie. I don't fully
hate the the Bloodline triple threat match.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
That has to hurt you to admit that.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
No, not really, because I'm sorry, that's really threw me off.
You're talking, shut up, jackass. No. I think that Jay's
first run, while it was kind of it all commonly

(19:36):
all culminated to that, to him winning. I think the
run did not live up to the hype of him
becoming champion. I thought it lacked a lot. The title
kind of seemed very very secondary, and he always seemed
to be running to somebody's aid or getting his ass
kicked and no one really coming to help him. So
with Punk now, I think and especially knowing how vicious

(19:57):
and brutal that the vision has been over the last
few months, having a champion that's not afraid to drop
the microphone and just fight. But Ken still cut a
decent promo because I'm sorry, Jay can't talk most of
the time to save his life. Punk was the right
call here. Punk is what's going to be able to

(20:19):
get them knowing that Seth went down, Because let's be real,
we want to say what was best for business long term,
short term, what was best for business was Seth. Robin's
not getting hurt.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Or not even putting the money in the bank briefcase
in his hands in the first place.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Also, yes, but we digress. So I think that long
term wise, while they may have a little bit of
an uphill battle, I think putting it on Punk is better.
As much as I pete, I hate and despise and
detest your little five letter word. If you go back
and you listen to Paul Hayman last night, he was

(20:56):
teasing it. Also, the jackasses in the promo video for WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, right, there's a fifth there's a fifth seat that's empty.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah, so right, it's the seat. Now, some people like
the the there's one side of that coin. You can say, oh,
it's for the fans, right, I've seen that floated around
because the way that the dialogue is and everything like that,
it's a seat for the fans at the table whatever.

(21:31):
But I still think that you're gonna have brocket WrestleMania
in some shape or form. Is it here with ce them,
pulp Punk? It could be? Is it with Cody Rhodes?
I think that's a little bit more plausible. I would.
I would argue that there's still a little bit of
unfinished business there. If you insert Brock into the CM

(21:55):
punk thing, into the vision thing, there's a lot of
layers there. And if you also think about that table,
how many of those people did Paul Hayman manage at
that table?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Three out of the four? What if the table is
the main events from left to right, Cody Roman three,
because it's one one now Punk Brock.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
All right, question do we want Cody Roman three?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
It depends on how they present it.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Just just on paper, on paper, no presentation, no nothing.
Do you want a Cody Rowan three?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I want to break that. I want to I would.
That's just me.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Though, And there's no right or wrong answer there.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's whatever whatever flatable. But my biggest proponent in disagreement
to the poll is how long can you stave off?
How long can you stave off bron.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
So I don't know if you caught my little I did,
all right, so let me let me lay it out
for you. In three weeks time, you've got Survivor series.
After the events of last night, Cem punk is inside
the war Games match with jay Uso. I'm not sorry, no,
not yeah, jay Uso, Logan Paul in the Vision. I
think that's all in there. And then after that you

(23:17):
have John Cena's last.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Week because.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
World mumble right, You've got two Saturday nights main events
between there, I think you do. Logan Paul actually getting
his title shot on the thirteenth, because you're gonna stack
that card. I think read because the way that they've
been pitching all this stuff with how he beat Roman.
He gets a shot on the twenty fourth in Montreal,

(23:43):
and then bron Breaker runs the gauntlet. He goes from
one to thirty. Whoops, everybody's ass in there. He wins
the rumble and you protect them both leaning in the
WrestleMania the only caveat to that is CM Punk's gonna
wrestle in Chiago at elimination Chamber. You're dumb if you

(24:04):
don't do that. So that's the only thing that messes
that up. But that's how you put Braun Braun breaker off.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
That's tough for me because he's already late to wait
that long. He's already laid claim to the title should be,
and he said it outwardly and publicly.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Listen, this is not an original discussion from my brain,
so I'm not going to take credit for it. But
I've seen it talked about online. I don't understand why
we have to put the title on Braun anytime soon
or Bronson anytime soon. Particularly with Braun, there are a
lot of mirror images to when Roman Reigns was jammed

(24:54):
down everybody's throat in the very beginning. It is becoming
very forced. They have a lot of malarities. Now, Bron
can talk a lot better. Bron, you can definitely speak
a lot better. There's no suffering, suck attached nonsense going on.
Right that being said, it's two guys who are big,
who can work really well, who are fast, who are

(25:16):
good looking, and who the who have lineages with the
company that they just seem to have to put a
rocket ship on. And I would like to hear your
guys thoughts because I don't I don't think it needs
to happen this moment right now. You made fucking Cody
wait two years and he was already established.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
No, I hear you in this moment right now, because
once again, how they presented him and the reason why
he did what he did and immediately took step out
and then held up the title. That's what it is.
So I'm going from the standpoint of he almost looked
to test it and upset at the way the raw
ended last night because Logan Paul joined like you could

(25:59):
see the ripples in Seth. When Seth was there, he
was almost jealous and envious. So what do you put
in his path so you don't have to put the
title on him? Because if he's left just to this right,
then what are we doing? Like So to your point,
I agree with you to a point, But if not that,

(26:19):
then what like where does he go from here?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
You could build him a whole lot. First of all,
to me, you want to get him close and then
have him lose and maybe he goes off the deep
end whatever. And then closer you get to Seth, have
Seth be the one that cost him. That's how you
take him out of the title picture, because then he
can focus on a feud with Seth who's trying to
get redemption against How long this Seth out? Six months?

(26:45):
Six months? Not that long? You could buy time for
six months. You want to throw him one title match,
let him lose it somehow, let somebody like whether it's
Code whoever, have them overcome. Then he's you know, pissed
off and he's a force. He's gonna do his thing.
YadA yad YadA. He gets back into the picture and

(27:06):
have Seth Robins be the one that cost him. And
and again that's the way you can remove him, and
you can address that undeniable feud that's coming down the road, right,
And then that buys you another six months. Then let's
have the conversation a year from now. But like, I
don't want I don't want to happen to Roman what
happened to him, because I really saw the parallels when

(27:28):
it was laid out today of like why is he
jumping Bronson who beat Romans?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
But well, hold on that's the point I'm making. But
I think that I think that's where the way I
framed it out, that's what holds him back. Right, Let's
assume for a second and I can't believe these words
are gonna exit my mouth. God, I'm gonna really make
me mad. That Logan Paul Pin seem punk and more games.

(28:02):
Oh that's an awful thing to say in a shower.
But so then that would give Logan, Hey, I beat him.
You guys didn't do squat. Okay, that there's the thirteenth Bronson, Hey,
I did beat Roman. You haven't done anything relevant in

(28:23):
six months by this point, right, because we're talking January.
Bronson fights him at Saturday Nights main event. He runs
the gauntlet at the Rumble. Let him win the Rumble?
Who bron Breaker Breaker wins the Rumble. I'm gonna die

(28:45):
on that hill because I think he's one of the
few people that can go from one to the end
and do the whole thing. And I think it's about
time we have another one that's not here or there.
But then let's go with Chrome's point, and because I
kind of like it, you do uh cm Punk bron
Breaker WrestleMania night, one night too. I really don't give

(29:05):
a damn. That's where Seth comes back and costs him
the title, and that's how you build instead of that feud.
So that way, if you're gonna want to put the
title on uh bron Breaker, you have to go through
Seth and you can drag that out and we could

(29:27):
be talking Summer Slam. We'll be talking Survivor Series next
year of when they're actually gonna put the title on him.
I think, because six months is about WrestleMania timeframe, Seth
will be back before WrestleMania got hurt.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, so he's I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
April, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, so I think of anything I might be looking at.
What is elimination Chamber?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Mark February, February February or Mark.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I'm sorry, it is March. It is March. Hold on no,
because wrest year February twenty eight. WrestleMania is April.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Eighteen, April eighteenth year. They push it back.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I think, so it's next year, Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I for some reason in my head I had it
to this year. They was then they start to May.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I didn't. I didn't even that was something I just
learned just now. I didn't know they's twenty twenty seven.
WrestleMania is in May.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
They talked about were talking about pushing it. So after
Philly with and Hunter did a whole statement on this.
How did you miss this?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
After Philly in the cold weather, there were a lot
of conversation of if we're going to continue to do
these in early April sensible. So the idea was over
the next few years, they have it later and later
in or to eventually gradually build it to like mid
to late May.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Well, I mean, if you were to go to the
the third weekend of April, it's in the third weeknd
of April twenty twenty six, it's literally one day off
from each other. This year it was nineteenth to twentieth.
Next year is the eighteenth and nineteenth. It's the same
as that third weekend in April. So maybe if they
push it back one weekend there, one weekend there. So
if they just go from I mean, that's nothing gradual.
If you go from the third weekend of April and

(31:19):
now we're going to the third weekend in May, which
I mean, I'm all for it, because the hotter it is,
the more venues that opens yourself up.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
To for sure. I mean, that's a conversation for another day.
But regardless, Okay, so we got the time frame Enema, right,
we'll venture down that roal. I'm sure down at some point,
like in my mind, I was like, maybe you have
Bronson b in the elimination chamber and Seth costs him that,
and then if Seth is healthy for WrestleMania, maybe you'll

(31:51):
get some way where you get a triple threat between Punk,
Bron and Seth.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
That could be on the table. And the other thing
I don't like that. I would like that. But my
thing is we all know eventually Bron is going to
be faced or he's going to He's already being cheered
now as it is, right, you really don't You don't
hear booze for Bron when he comes out. You'll hear

(32:16):
the barks, you'll hear the wolf ful wools, but you
don't hear this outright booze and nobody mean I think
all of us here we don't feel sorry for stef
if he returns at all, I can get sympathy or
empathy for.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
So that's probably out of the time I've been on
the show tonight. That's probably the best outcome is you
get us to Mania and Punk is still the champion,
and we get a triple threat between Punk sept.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Because correct, because the idea real quick and before you
jump in, why I would shoot your theory down on
that and having him come back and and lost Ron
at WrestleMania. Why would he help Punk regardless of whether
he comes back as.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
A he I don't never help Punk, and I don't
think he's helping Punk in that scenario, but he is
because he said I will never I will never allow
Sampunk to be world champion while I am healthy, basically is.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
What he said so to me, Like even if he
comes back in as a face, these two should never
be on the same page. Agree always feud, let me
go back title or helping him.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
But let's let's go back a second, because I kill
this bug that's on my desk. Let's go back a second. Right,
you said, never see MP Punk will never be champion
as long as I'm healthy. Right, what's to say that
he's not fully cleared when he interferes in the match, right,
because all he'd have to do bron breakers. Still, I

(33:50):
don't want to say a rookie, because he's not a rookie,
but he's still a young guy, up and coming guy. Right.
All Seth would have to do is for the music
to hit. Ron gets distracted, Punk takes the title, right
because ultimately, well, yeah, you know what, he doesn't like
seem Punk. I don't think he's doing it to help
se him punk by no stretching imagination. What he did though,

(34:13):
was storyline was and again we understand that it was
at the match at what was it Crown Jewel was
at the event or whatever it was in Australia, that's
where he got hurt. Ultimately we understand that storyline wise,
the vision took out Seth. Well, Seth was champion, Seth
was on the mountaintop and they turned on him. So

(34:34):
Seth is gonna want revenge before he wants his title back,
and he's gonna prevent them from getting the title. Because
I don't see, I don't see, and I'm sorry I want.
I don't like the triple thread idea because I'm tired
of triple threat champion matches. Give me a one on one,

(34:55):
let's call to day. But two, I don't see Seth
being ready need to start building for that program.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
And there's no program to build for the story rights itself.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
It's already but where wait minut, Wait a minute, wait minute,
wait a minute, everybody shut up. If Seth's not cleared
until April, you're just gonna have him show up on
the go Home show for he doesn't need to.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Be physically healthy to be to build the program that
could be his return. He could just he can still
show up on the show.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
No, no, no, no, absolutely not, because you're not You're
not gonna You're not gonna convince me that bron or
CM punk aren't gonna hit him.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
He doesn't.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
But he doesn't have to be there physically. He could
be there on screen like they've done this before to where.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I didn't like it then I don't like it now.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
They could literally implement that. Hey there's no touching. You
touch you're out in the match, you lose your chance,
your title opportunity. There you go, like, what are we
gonna have contract? If I see another fucking contract signing, Oh.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, no they're they're because because I'll die again. I
still convinced the last one, there was no nobody actually
signed a contract. Somebody said it happened. I didn't see it.
I still don't think it actually happened. What was it
the trick.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Williams uh Ricky Saints.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, I'm still convinced they never signed the damn thing.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
But it's like almost That's a whole conversation for another
day too.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
A triple threat. You had it this past year wrestling
in forty one. You had a triple threat really where
Paul Hayman was the prize and it was story there.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
I would say even every process it was it was
the more.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
The history was there, but how to tell the story
was probably more groundwork than what you would even need
for this. You and this is kind of and you
kind of shoot yourself on foot because from Crome's point
is you can do everything that you wanted to do.
You can have Bron run the gatlet, you can have
Bron versus Pump slate it for Mania and all of
a sudden burn it down and and and he throws

(37:02):
a wrench in everyone's plans, just like he literally did
this past here and wet this stuff in between Punk
and Broman for Paul.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
You see what says past WrestleMania, that was.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
His past WrestleMania yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
You. First of all, I didn't shoot myself in the
foot for ship, right because you said Brown.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Can win the rubble based on Crowl's playing, that can
still happen, right.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I didn't argue that, now, did I? I argued solely WrestleMania.
I don't give a ship how we got there. I
don't want to see it.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
It's been choppish.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
No, I hope everything is a triple shot, be fair.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I did say I was coming onto this show to yell,
scream and argue, and I don't give a ship what
I'm gonna argue about. I'm gonna I'm gonna argue tonight.
It makes me feel better, damn it.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I hope every match of WrestleMania triple threat match, and
they're gonna call it the Rents Invitational WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Hey, but you know what, you know what if they
do that, I'm set give me two.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Other World Championship Title matches at WrestleMania that were triple
threats that had less of a story than this. That
was WrestleMania twenty WrestleMania twenty two Randy, Randy Ray and
Kirk that didn't need to be a triple threat, and
then WrestleMania thirty.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Wait wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
With less story than this, less build than this, less
history than.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
This, Why the hell are you bringing up twenty two
and thirty.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Because you said you don't like triple threat type match? Okay,
and those I'm giving you options as this would be
a better option than those matches with more.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Story, but they don't. That doesn't matter here, It truly doesn't.
It doesn't matter not talking about past WrestleMania's. We're talking
about this upcoming one.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
And with this upcoming WrestleMania, they've been building this story
for two years because you go back to Punk exactly
and how he has never liked Sam Punk, and then
you can go through what we just so happened a
few weeks ago, and even before then when he was
you know, mister, you know, I don't need anybody. You
can harp on all of that, the stories already, it's

(39:27):
already written. It's just TV. We got to do three
to four weeks of TV seth can't get physical until WrestleMania. Yep,
they did it before they've done a million.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
You know what's really awesome about.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Himself is specifically, you.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Know, it's fantastic. Neither one of us has a goddamn
clue what's gonna happen, and either one of our opinions
could be right, we could both, we could all tremendously wrong.
Forty minutes in, still arguing about this damn thing is stimen.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
That's what we're doing, a wrestling podcast. Buddy, Welcome to
the big time, Buddy.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
I've been here before.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
I mean the Vitrio for the Triple thre I just
don't know what I said. I get your point, but
you also there's very few the matches and the cards
are more limited, and he has a lot of talent.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
I think WW as a whole has backed themselves into
a corner where they have really relied on three or
four guys over the last six months to really be
sitting at the top, and they have not positioned anybody
else to be. I don't want to say main event
ready because I think that's not fair to some people,

(40:52):
but storyline wise, to be ready to go after that title.
So I think you're what we're seeing a little bit of,
and I don't think it's in full You're scrambling a
little bit to figure out how you're gonna make it
work because I will say, up until they turned on
SETH and I think I even said on this broadcast,
I was over the whole idea of the vision because

(41:13):
I didn't think they were any of it was working
like they had hoped.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Right, I can agree with you there. And it's not
so much main event read like you said, not even
really storyline ready. It's who they're ready to put the
title on and pull the periberal trigger like we've seen
Drew's and we're probably gonna get another match out of that.
They did the same thing with La Knight. It's just
whatever they see. They just like you said, they kind

(41:38):
of battles up to apport. But I wouldn't say it's
not for talent that that we don't believe in for
whatever reason they don't believe in.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
It's I think we're I think we're way off base here.
There was only so many top spots and if we
were in if professional wrestling changed the every three months,
then there would be room for more people. But there's not. Yep,
And that's why I get furious at this internet bullshit

(42:09):
where everybody needs to be over and in the main
event picture, and it's bullshit. It's nonsense, because there's not
enough spots. Even aw people who talked all that shit
them fans in the beginning are seeing it now. When
the cupboard's full, you only got so much room. And
that's where we're at. It's not about moving people along.

(42:31):
They're building they. I mean, they put so much into Dominic,
they put so much into bron and Bronson. The seth
getting hurt absolutely put the dagger in everything. Through the
wrenching you have to sometime. It's like the NFL, Cincinnati
comes out and they're two and zero and it's like,
holy shit, they actually look like they might finally have

(42:54):
a really great season again. But then your quarterback gets hurt.
So I mean, it's not like you have Patrick Mahomes
ready to back them up. They didn't position Patrick Mahomes
behind him. It is what it is. You got to improvise.
You may have to make a trade, you may have
to sign somebody. You have to figure it out. This
is the same idea you don't. You don't play with

(43:16):
antticipation that you're gonna lose your top guy. And that's
what happened. And the benefit for them, we can't see
it now, but they have six months to get to WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Agreed, So there is the benefit of that.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
So but I mean this is not to you guys,
just in general, this idea that goes out there that
there's not enough, Like you can't tell me they haven't
invested in some of the other I mean, for Fox's sake,
they're they're pushing Maxine due pre right now in the
women's division.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I love that, but and I don't want to say
that they haven't invested. And I hope I didn't come
across it in the sense of.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
That that's why that it's not you, But what you
did make me think of is other things I've burned.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah. No, I think they've invested it greatly in the
people on the roster and the people that they showcase.
Just is there any of those people that you could
fill that gap with on the on the fly? And
I don't think you can, right, So I think that's why.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
A bad decision to win that Battle Royal, because I
don't I don't take a hot shot, you know, Bridging
title run does anything good.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
I think building the title on Punk though, was the
best call because now it's challenging you as a writing
staff and as a production staff and as a company
to fill that void and find something creative to get
you not just to war games, but get you to

(44:43):
the Royal Rumble because we know war games is a
lockey's in the war game. The champions in the war
games match that, right you have? How do you get
to rumble? One?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I think we're missing And then this is especially in
this business. Is we say one, we say deserve, that's
us saying that. But when it comes to the guys
that are and the guys and girls that are putting
the show together, there is no well, this person wants
this or this person deserves this is what is right
for the moment at the time. And to echo your point, Andy,

(45:15):
it's like, yes, the creative team is now what a
challenge the creative can be there. But the one of
the key components about this that is missing. If the
fans don't take the creative it doesn't matter. And I
understand six months that doesn't matter. What matters is can
they get that marriage of what they write, the talent,
taking advantage of the opportunity, and then the connection with

(45:37):
the fans. You need that triumvir And within six months
the triumvir can completely switch.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
What the hell word are you saying?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Triumvir? It's a conjoining, it's whatever. You have to have
hair on your head to understand. So when they all
those things can meld together, then plans could change. And
then also that's not that like Punk as a spring chicken. Yes,

(46:06):
he is credible. Anybody who challenges him is credible. So
I just they've had this health issue. I want him
to stay healthy, so some of these plans can can
be sought out and we can get some long time.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
So let me let me jump there. Because the one
thing we didn't bring up too much of was his
promo last night, which I do think was to settle
down some of the concerns, right, Uh, So, I think
it's clear the idea was Sam Punk was probably winning
the title at WrestleMania and in a pinch and not

(46:39):
having the next program kind of set and ready to
go because you're technically six months out. They said, let's
just let's go at it now, let's do it now,
and they put the title on Pump. So I think
last night was a sort of a reset for WrestleMania
season in that what are you going to get out
of a Punk run? He asked about it last week. Well,

(47:02):
you're gonna get some guy. You're gonna get a guy
who's gonna open it up to all, any and all challengers.
You're gonna see people I haven't wrestled before. Nobody saw
Logan Paul coming. Nope, like they already surprised people coming
out of the gate, and Andy Hangar had all you want.
But looking what Logan Paul did with Jelly Roll, don't
and have a five star match with anybody without fail

(47:27):
you want. Yeah, So if you want Punk's title run
to come out and come out fire, I actually think
he's a pretty pretty damn good opponent To put him.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Out, it was just echoing Punk from last night. It
was that was great O. No, I was like, what
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
He puts some of them he does. He's annoying character
is supposed to be, but he has great matches. So
like him and Punk, because I do think ages showed
on Punk a certain in certain types of matches. I
think with that putting him into Logan Paul, I think
actually will highlight him and look tu having him go
against aj Styles get that Ring of Honor rematch that

(48:05):
we haven't seen in since two thousand and five or
two when the Summer of Punk, Like, there is a
lot of ways that they could go and fill a
lot of space. The thing with AJ is, again, you
don't It's the same thing when we got John and AJ.
You don't need a huge background story. You have two
guys that came from Ring of Honor, that have a
history of a feud from back then, who have never

(48:27):
crossed paths until this point. And is a match a
dream match in WWE that people haven't seen. There's a
lot of avenues they can go. So I think that.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I almost wish that if you take out Punk and
you insert AJ, why couldn't that been AJ?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Do it?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I mean I talked about that two weeks ago, Like
if I if I was booking this ideally and he said, hey,
we don't know what we're going to do. We need
to time for a month or two to really write
something new. The most logical person if you're looking for
a transitional champion would have been AJ Styles. He's retiring

(49:10):
a transitional title doesn't hurt him. It's something cool that
people get to see. You can get a couple of
great title matches out of him. You highlight him, but
his way out the door, similar to Sina, and if
he drops the title, whether it's a clean finish, a finish,
a schmas or however you do it, none of it
hurts them. There's nothing that's going to hurt aj styles

(49:31):
at this point.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, but I think that would.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Have been the argument I would have made, and then
have him drop it at Royal Rumble to whoever is
going to be one of the participants that's going to
be in your main event.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Well, that's a great idea, though I think the down
the downfall to that was you would have derailed what
you were planning to do with the Tag division. So
instead of derailing multiple stories, which I didn't say it
was a good, bad, or different, okay, batter.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Different, Like are we we're going to talk about the
the tag division has been derail since nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
My point, I didn't say it was good, bad, or different.
But instead of the.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Day the top rope broke during the Rockers and the
Heart Foundation is the day that the Tag division became derailed.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
My point being, instead of derailing too many of your
active stories, you all you did was just insert somebody
who really wasn't doing anything.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Easy solution Finn and JD get their title.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Back, which I thought would have happened last night.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I don't think. I think they're gonna hold those titles
for a couple of months. I don't think it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I think that, And I think we also got the
precursor as to what who's taking the title off of
Dom last night? The Icy title. I think he's finally
going to get it and that's shameless.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Oh yeah, when he came out.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah, I think that. I think that's what we are
setting us up for.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yes, I think they're setting it up for Shamus.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, yeah, because I wouldn't be surprised if Seamus is
getting ready to retire soon too.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
He's not. He's not Noose Sprain checking either. I think
Seamus is forty six forty seven.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Seamus was rumored like, so Seamus has the spinal stenosis
issue that edge hat.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I do think that's part of what he disappears and
comes back for periods of time. But he was supposed
to be at like they thought. Honestly, that's been an
issue going back to WrestleMania thirty three, because I remember
when they had that ladder match at the Hardy's return.
They were talking about how dangerous that was for Shamus
to be in that match, So it would not chock
me at af he's winding down.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I mean he was, he was. He kind of got
into the business late, like when he came in when
and he took the tight off a scene. I think
he was already like late twenties, early thirties.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I mean is that late though, I mean I think
was at twenty one standards, Yes, back then. I don't
think back then though, maybe not.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I mean, didn' DDP get into it when he was
like in his thirties, Yeah, but he was.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
He was also he was around the business though. He
was a manager of Vala and he was at the
power Plant every fucking day and we've seen him. Like
I was shocked at shot Out.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
They said Shamus was a workout bud issue a little bit. Yeah,
they said Seamus was a workout buddy of Hunter, so
he wasn't like training in the ring, but he was
working out with Hunter at the gym.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
So I mean, he's definitely taking an icy title because yeah,
that's not who I would have thought like when this
all started.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
But whatever, Yeah, you know, I'm opposed to it. I
wouldn't be opposed to John Cena taking the title off
of him in his final match, which I think we're
gonna jump to that, you know, before we do quick thoughts,
m hm. Jake car Gill does exactly what we thought
would happen last week, Pete. I think Jake Cargill, uh

(52:53):
basically squashes Tiffany Stratton. It's wanting to get your thoughts
on that.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I liked it. I saw Greg's comment but she's so
bad at a ring. But if you're a monster heel,
you don't need to do much. We kind of talked
about it last week a little bit. You know, she's
a monster heel so or just a monster champion she does.
It was a squash match. Almost wish it was even
shorter a little bit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
But yeah, I think because like I don't know if
I sent it to you guys, I did not like
the match at all. It wasn't until I realized, like
it probably took me about halfway through her rest. Oh wait, no,
this is just Jade beating the brakes off of tiffany
kind of thing where I was like, okay, this should
have been.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Over already exactly.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I thought it was. It was good to kind of
cement Jade. I hope we're not going down that route though,
where she just squashes everybody. I do want to see
her put some effort into matches. I think some of
it was done at Tiffany's benefit because a little bit. Yeah,
I think the injuries a little bit more I don't
want to say severe, but more concerning than they were

(54:06):
originally led to believe. Right, I don't hate that she's
got the title. I'm okay with it.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah, man, what I mean she'll get runs with like
me Chen be fat, like not credible stuff, but stuff
like challenges to build her up until ultimately.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
It's somebody new.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I think it needed to happen. I didn't care honestly
who it was, but I think it needed to happen.
I think this could be good for her. I think
a dominant win helps her obviously over somebody who's been
a dominant champion.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yes, and then.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
You can, obviously, like Pete said, you can steamroll that.
You can have her have these matches against some of them,
but ultimately the lead in is going to be to
get the beancea bell there. So yeah, I think that'll
be tremendous and I'm fine with it. Again, I was
ready for anything. Fifty time ran its course for me
for a while.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
She needs to be.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
She needs to take her time, get healthy, because I
do think she's super talented. Take her time, get healthy,
come back. She needs to be a heel. That's what
she needs to be her.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Whole the blonde hair uppitty girl.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, and not like not like the Naya Jack's lackey heel.
She needs to be. She's got to be the stuck
up Beverly Hills snob that she was back in the
next team.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I would have loved it after the cash and if
we would have got like background snippets of her, like
having this plan to cash in the whole time right
to say like, yeah, you're better than I. She thought
she was better than me. I was just playing her
and just keep that going. And then we get to
the Charlotte thing and just keep that going. So that's
a chance I think in ring my talented psychology wise,

(55:56):
I think she could still get better in the ring
and telling that story and at time away from this
and kind of looking at how things are going to
play out, that can come that could be a godsend
for she can come back ten times stronger.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, obposite. Our fourth topic we pretty much
touched on during that entire forty something minute eight, which
obviously was regarding Logan Paul helping the Vision. I think
we all believe this is gonna probably lead to a
title match. I don't know if it's a full time
member of the Vision, but it'll probably lead to being

(56:31):
a participant on their team for Survivor Series. And I
would love for Paul to call his team the Dangerous Alliance.
What do you want?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I don't know why they're still sticking with the Division.
Do they have the merch for it or something?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Oh well, let's find out, because I'm like.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I don't know why they they, like you said, I
don't know why they feel like they're sewed into that,
into that name division.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Don't know, but I do want to dive into our our.
I guess what now? Is our final topic? It was
our third topic. At Saturday night's main event, Get a
Big Announcement. John Cena run a vignette of promo John
Cena talking about the opportunities he was a Ford and
he went his last opponent to be somebody who earns

(57:17):
the opportunity like he did. So they announced the Last
Time is Now Tournament sixteen men tournament consisting of WWE
SmackDown Raw talents as well as NXT. You could have
TNA talent in there. You what they called talent from
outside companies, which obviously is I don't think it's gonna

(57:44):
be Adam Copeland, but we'll talk about that name. But
I think it is an acknowledgment in teas to get
people interested to see if he might actually show up anyway.
You know, we've talked for weeks about how do you
get to the main event, how do you get to
December thirteenth. Do you need to build a story and

(58:07):
we said we really don't need to have him do
an open challenge. But I love this idea even more because,
you know, Andy talking about storyline wise getting there, you're
telling this story without John having to be there. And
I think having this invitational or random tournament, however, and

(58:27):
having it be having guys put on what I think
you're gonna get some rope knockdown, drag out and there's
out of this for the right to face Johnsen in
this final match. I just think elevates the final match
that much more, that elevates se in his legacy to
show how important he's been to the business by having

(58:49):
this tournament and how hard guys are going to fight
and work to get that opportunity. I'm very excited for it.
I didn't see it going this route before. Was I
very satisfied with this result and I'd love to get
your guys thoughts before we start diving in to the names.
We did get the first four names, before we start
diving in the names.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
I love it. When has this ever happened before? Never, never,
never seen a tournament for the right to have a match,
No other than nothing else went the line, just just
the right to have a Goats last match.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I think the promo on Saturday Night's main event, and
they showed it again last night, might have been the
best thing and the best way you've ever promoted something,
any kind of tournament, any kind of challenge or anything.

(59:49):
It was so well done and the way he frames
it of you know, how did he I forget the
exact where he said it, but it was, you know,
having somebody the opportunity that he had when he on
his first night, you know, to be on his last night,
and then it wasn't something given, it was hard earned.

(01:00:13):
I like those two lines. They were one was in
the middle, one was at the very end. I love
them so much. The only thing I wish I'm nitpicking this,
and this is solely you know, armchair quarterbacking. The next day,
whatever you want to call it, I wish they wouldn't
start it next week, and I throughout the night next week,

(01:00:34):
he's going up to people and saying, hey, you're in
this tournament, instead of them doing the drawing like they
did last night, and then having Adam Pierce do the
little announcement thing. I wish it was either through social
media or John or whatever. John, it almost like pro

(01:00:54):
I think you called it an invitational, right, I wish
it was that John invited these people, Hey, I want
you in this tournament. I want you in this tournament.
Good batter and different. And then for the surprises, right,
he's kind of like you see him talking but you
can't tell who he's talking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
To, or like almost like have the drawings but have
like a couple of questionerks of wildcards you don't know.
I think this also laid the groundwork for him not
going out on his back because remember his callback to
him saying, I want to give someone the opportunity that
I was afforded and make the best of it. That

(01:01:33):
was with his aggression. That was a slap heard around
the ww universe. He lost that match.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, so he's already propped up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Not just the people that are can participate in this tournament,
but the person that makes it to the end. He's
already elevated you because he's drawn a direct connection between
him and you and whatever your start is at.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
I will say, as much as I want to see
Edge b you know, Adam Copeland potentially be that last
match person though now after you've set it up as
a tournament, yes, if edges in, if edges in this
at all, then you get you spoiled it. And I'm

(01:02:23):
not interested in the in the tournament. If you put
a bunch of names, who I mean you look at
these names. Seamus has some history with John Russev, definitely
has history with John Knakama. Damien No, not really right,
So so there's history, there's not history. I'm invested already

(01:02:46):
in these in these four you know, these these first
two matches and then all this will announced two more
matches on Friday. I'm definitely invested right now. You just
gotta keep me, don't ruin it, don't give me a
clear cut when there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, I don't mind that idea.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
The only reason I would push back on that is
because in the promo he said that it's gonna be random,
like he's not selecting his last opponent. And I do
think the perception is if I'm giving you an invitation,
I'm selecting my master. So that's the only I love

(01:03:26):
the idea.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
It was a hundred percent sure for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
And if he didn't make that statement, that specific line
in that vignette, I would have one thousand percent been
your way. I don't I don't love.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
The old Royal rumble ball roller.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah. I would rather it have been something along the
lines of there's a you know, they come out maybe him. Honestly,
I would rather everyone be everyone who's a part of
the company m be announced ahead of time, and I
would have rather them did something where all three gms

(01:04:05):
are together and then they each make their picks. I
would imagine probably four piece and maybe four open slots.
So I would say, you know what I mean, maybe
you get four in the next or maybe NXT gets
two and you do five from roll and five from.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Which I like that. Can I can I share this
for a second, Chrome, Sure, just so we can share screen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I'm gonna keep talking while you're sharing. I would do
five from roll five from SmackDown, maybe two from NXT. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
So here here's what I here's what I like. I'm
about the point like you can see me. So you
have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight right here.
If going off of that, every one of these two
groups would be an open slot. So because assume a second,

(01:05:01):
this is raw on the tenth, this is smacked down
on the fourteenth, then you have this would be raw
on the seventeenth, seventeenth, then this would be smacked in
on the twenty. First, you're giving me special, something special
every time, every night, something look forward to right, whether

(01:05:23):
they win, loser or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
And then you move in here, I can guarantee you
two of them already.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Sure, before you do it, I would have done it
that way. But let me finish how I would like
this have to have gone. Have all three general managers
come out and say, like, we recognize this is what
John wanted. So we are going to we have hand
selected people fitting all of the criteria that we feel
like are deserving of this opportunity. And you go through

(01:05:52):
yet your veterans like a Shamus who's been announced. You
have guys who are up and coming who I mean older,
he's not up and coming, but people who haven't been
a part of the John Seena era, who's fairly fresh
over the last year or so to the main events scene,
like a Damian priest. When you go through, and you

(01:06:12):
do it that way, and I would rather have them,
have had them do it as an announcement, have them
come out to the ring or around the ring, however
you but I would have did that way, make it,
make it a big I don't like this. Every week
we're gonna roll the balls and we're gonna roll somebody
I would And then the open slots are surprises. This

(01:06:35):
person gets a mystery partner her opponent. This person gets
the mystery opponent. We don't know where they're coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Orn like a bye into like a mystery opponents have
to be in the first round. You can have a
mystery opponent in the quarterfinals. You got them in the semifinals,
I think what you may get is you may get
once everyone is announcing a first round matchup or secon
round matchup, that you may get an injury play and
then somebody takes your spot, and that'd be a surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
You can get that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
But I mean, I have a whole litany of names
from outside the company that I think it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
I mean, I have I have, I have to who
have history I think are gonna be locks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
And who who do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Nick Namath and Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Cardona Okay, I mean yeah, and I'm Jeff Hardy is
one of them mm hmm. And obviously with the with
the t NA ties that's there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Yep, yes, And Hendry I think Henry is he He's
definitely is that what that was?

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
He probably thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah, that's probably yeah, Yeah, it's probably. That's a good one,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
I think especially if especially if the rumors of him
potentially getting signed by w W E are true, then
I yeah, you want to you want to. I don't
want to say propel somebody, but you want to give
somebody that same push that John got while Joe doesn't
really need it. Yeah, it wouldn't hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I think, I mean, I think Sammy's going to be
in it somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Is he hurt?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
He just had a matchwate scene. I don't know that
Sammy's gonna be I really, truly, I feel like names
like Sammy and aj are going to be out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I really right now, geez, that would be perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
You know, I think n X T wise you're looking
at maybe Oba Fami, oh, but maybe Trick Trick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
I would like to see Javon Evans in it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Javan see I. I I just think there's other guys
like Ricky Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
I would love to see Ethan Page.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Page would be a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Ethan Page would be good, would be a good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Would be excellent. Yeah, in that in that tournament, you know,
I would. I would love to see Adam Copeland And
even if I know he's going to win it, I
would still love to see Adam cookan Imber.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Say he would win though.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
You can't have him come in and not win it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I'm talking about winning like to be to make it
to John.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I think he went, But that's what I'm saying. If
all this announces on Friday, and I'm just picking Friday
as a that in the next round of matches, Adam
Copeland is fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
I think that would I think that would be you
have to make that a surprise, even though we get
it a lot early. You figure out you would have
to figure out a way that somebody who was picked
can't go and we got to fill in. And then
you don't even like you can even do from the
car already dressed in his gear and just had a
like just having them come out and just show up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
You don't even got to be and ring gear, like
just wrestling of jeans.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
But but like, but I go back to what he
what the promo was. I don't think the promo is
is there to build a guy that he's already had,
because I think the nostalge of Coke trying to fight
just to get the opportunity to be his last match isn't.
Like do you think for you as a fan, is

(01:10:15):
that enough or do you feel like you need if
he's in it, you need to see them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Yeah, if he's in it, he's he's got he's gotta
win it, like they because while yeah, you know what
Coke did the whole five knuckle shuffle bit at his
last aw match or whatever have you, and people went
nuts over it. All right, cool, awesome if you're putting
him in this tournament. While I understand the concept behind
the tournament, you're gonna want Adam to win that match

(01:10:43):
at least at least I would, right, I would want
to see Edge and Sina because a lot of people
have said that while yeah, Randy Orton and John Cena's
names were so synonymous through the late you know, TWENTYDS
and twenty ten, it was more so Edge and Cina,
right Worson, Oh, I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Think I think, I think you make an argument that
Edges is his greatest in terms of all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
That's what I'm saying. So people people don't want to
see that. It's the only one we haven't gotten, correct,
You've gotten the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
You can argue Cardona, but you know, in talking main
event level guys, Cardona I think is much more of
a main event we're featured event guy now, but not
during the John Cena prime run. So yeah, I just
think there's so many interesting Honestly, I at the end

(01:11:40):
of the day, I think Gunther still ends up winning
this tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
You know, we'll see, We'll see it's gonna be interesting.
I'm with Andy. I wish there was a different way
to announce it, but I'm very excited for this, and
I guess you know, they'll make us sit and wait
and see to see who's gonna get announced over the
next couple of weeks, and we'll be following it. And
with that, we're gonna be wrapping up in a couple

(01:12:09):
of minutes. I have I need everybody to tune in
on Thursday night because me and Eric have a big
announcement that we're going to be making. This is doing well.
It'll be following our interview six pm Eastern Standard time
right here on a two D radio social media pages.

(01:12:30):
We are going to be sitting down having a conversation
with Aaron Stevens, NWA superstar former WW superstar known as
Damian Sandow. I'm gonna talk to him about high points
of his career, have a couple other things we like
to discuss with them, maybe his thoughts on John Cena's retirement,

(01:12:52):
and so we're gonna talk about a couple of things
with him. We have thirty minutes sitting with him. Then
after me and Eric have a big announcement surrounding the
John Cena retirement tour. Regarding the episodes surrounding his retirement, Eric.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Eric celast opponent. That's why he's not here tonight. He's training.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
That said, he's training. Yeah, that's our big announcement. Arch
is out there training.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Oh my god, that would be hysterical.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
But you guys don't want to hear this announcement, So
tune in Thursday nights give me standing time on a
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(01:13:44):
has a lot to say, uh, and we're gonna really
dive in pre and post Sina Man event or seen
his final match, yes, and pick his brain on a
lot of things and not just seen a just some
wrestling creative in general. Will announce that name on Thursday

(01:14:05):
night anything else sort of cause, boys, before we wrap.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Up here, I mean, what a time to be a
wrestling fan.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
It's a great time to be a wrestling fan. I
appreciate you boys for jumping on filling him with me
for Eric and Eric will be back on Thursday night.
He'll be dropping his uh anecdotes with Arch two on
the Lazy Booking Podcast YouTube page throughout the week, and
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not come and he wants me to say the line
and I'm not saying it again Andy for the opening
of the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah you do. He was
literally laughing for like a minute in Amstreet. He couldn't stop.

(01:14:59):
But for myself, HM, for Andy, for Pete. Great show
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Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
If they don't, just gonna make fun of Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Somebody making I like making fun of both of them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Hey, I'm trying to put Eric over here, man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
You are putting What a way to put him over? Yeah?
You gotta make him work. He's gotta work from behind.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Right, He's gotta It's something he's used to doing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I'd tell you, do you work from underneath so that
when you get there you know what I mean. For myself,
we love Eric for myself, am P. Come know and
everybody here at a two D radio and lazy book,
stay tuned hockey Appia or can we say that it

(01:15:56):
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we tell everybody every week?

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
It's so important today as it is egent every day.
Tell somebody you love him, give him a big hunt tonight, Peace,
love and joy. We're out go birds,