From Start to NFL Hopeful: Coach Joe Kenn’s Strength Training Secrets

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
And on my show today, as you guys can see,
I have a guest coach, Big Powerhouse Kid all right, hey,
and just I'm gonna just rattle this off right here.
NFL Strength Coach of the Year, all right, the NSCA
College Strength Coach Conditioning of the Year with the Carolina

(01:12):
Panthers from A twenty eleven twenty nineteen. The creator of
the Tier System, author of Coaches Strength Training Playbook, the
founder of Big House Power, and his current role as
vice president of educations of dynamics. I think I got
is that pretty much?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Everything pretty close? Yeah, I mean I could go on
all day, but.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
No, trust me. You trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
And I'm I said, hey, you know, I met coach
Ken a while ago. You know what I'm saying, Like,
just being in the circles that we're in, we cross paths.
Great fucking guy and very knowledgeable. And guess what when
when you drop your name, goddamn it, you fucking touched
a lot of professional athletes and one of the strongest

(01:56):
men in the world, you know, four time world strongest
man in the world, you know, strongest man on earth,
and you've really set.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
A path in a blaze for all this. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
So it's like it's just it's just it's the talk
with you. It's so knowledgeable because every time I've always
picked up a little here, a little there, I'm like, oh, okay, okay,
I'll add that to my repertoire a little later down
the road.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
That's all all all I ask coaches, and I'll ask
people like you know, I I think that in this
day and age, you know a lot of people speaking absolutes.
People think that their way is the best way. I
think that's been proven wrong. There's many ways to get
to Rome or get to the championship. I than that's

(02:38):
been shown in how you know in our little fandom
of Strongman, how different guys train to get to the championship,
same thing in team sports, different philosophies. It all comes
down to an innate inner drive of a person. So
I always tell people, obviously I'm very confident and I
think my ways are period to a lot of others,

(03:01):
but I reserve the right to be wrong. And what
you need to do is establish your own identity and
not live through someone else's. And I think that's what
I feel kind of prideful in with the amount of
people who have utilized my systems of training. But really
what they've done is they've looked between between the lines

(03:24):
in their own environment, so to speak, of their own
their spatial awareness of where they're at and the types
of clients they have. And you have to make it
your own, like for you to do something verbatim, like
there's certain things like any structure, right, there's there's certain
things you just can't change, like this is the integrity

(03:44):
of what you're doing. But what fits into that box
is where your creative juice is and your personal philosophical differences.
Like even with my son to strength coaching, he utilizes
the tear system, which I'm glad he does it. That
make me look bad, right and then, but he has
his own he has his own spin to it. And

(04:07):
to be honest with you, we very rarely talk training.
When we talk. We talk more admin dealing with coaches,
the business end, contractual stuff, when is the right time
to make moves and things like that. So those are
and I feel more comfortable with that being being his

(04:28):
dad is to give him more of the real life
lessons behind coaching and let him develop his own belief
system and how he wants to run stuff on the floor.
So yeah, it's been a really good journey. I'm very
fortunate that I work with a company, Dynamic Fitness and
Strength that's in the industry, so I'm highly involved. I'll

(04:49):
be at you know, I'll be at World's Strongest Man
in two weeks. But next week I'll be in Indianapolis
for the College Strength Coaches Association's big event, and I'll
be in Kansas City, so I get the to the
events that I want to go to. So it's been
a really I've been really fortunate that once my and
you never close the door on coaching coaches that won't
do that. But every day you're away from coaching means

(05:12):
chances of you actually getting back in that setting are
are are moving away. And I'm okay with that. I've
had a you know, I have nothing to be as
shameful for it. I don't want anybody to feel sorry
for me. I mean, I knew what I signed up for,
and you know, when Brian gave me an opportunity to
join his team two years ago, I always said, you

(05:32):
did me a favor more than I did helping you
because it got me coaching again. And I do a
little like consulting here and there, but that was a
legitimate coaching job. And then to have the pressure of,
you know, coming up board on one of the greatest
of all time, if not the greatest for various reasons.
You can you can, you can just you can have

(05:54):
your debates, but what he did on the on the
competition surface, as well as what he's on as a
champion of the sport, it'd be hard to compare him
the most. But then you know you're being brought in
when he's a four time champ wanting to win a fifth. Uh,
you know there was pressure. There's pressure on that, you know,

(06:14):
and then we don't we don't accomplish that goal. Well,
that's that's part of my failure too, and I think
a lot of times coaches aren't willing to take that
for the for the athlete. Like again, I think we
did a good job. I learned a lot. I still
have a lot to learn in my new in my
new role now with Thomas Evans, I'm better off working

(06:37):
with Brian from there. But you know that it's a
different it's a different perspective. What I try to tell
a lot of people when you're when you're coaching an
individual athlete, and then especially an individual strength athlete compared
to a team sport athlete and you're a strength coach,
there's there's pressure on you in team sports, but not

(07:00):
like the pressure that you have to be a strength
coach or or any type of if you're if you're
the event coach for a strongman competitor, or a bodybuilder
coach or powerlifter, because their practice field is the weight
room for the most part, where where in team sports
half those kids don't want to go in the weight

(07:21):
room and they're still going to be good at their sport.
So the pressure is where if a guy misses a
four hundred pound bench president he's a football player and
has fifteen tackles on Sunday, nobody cares. But if Bryant
Brian or Nick Best or you know, or Thomas Evans
misses a four hundred and twenty pound log and doesn't

(07:41):
get max points, that shit matters. I mean, that separates
a podium before you know, and that changes the prize
money of the check. So it was a great learning
experience some ways extremely challenged. I said, it was in
some ways more challenging and getting a team prepared for
a Super Bowl. And you don't, you know, people look

(08:05):
at me funny. I go, Man, you don't understand, like
I love this for me, it's different, like you don't.
If you don't get it, then it doesn't Then you
can't see what I'm saying. But I mean, I love
lifting like I don't do anything. But I just got
out of the gym and I've been you know, I've
been in a gym my whole life, pretty much since
I'm nine years old and in and out, and it

(08:25):
helped me get to my goals as a football player.
But and then I got to you know, last October
I competed and what I'm left to compete in health
wise in the dead with me. It's the fourth death.
I've been competing in power of this since nineteen ninety,
like you know, I mean, and again, everybody has their
reasons for doing it. Nick has his, like I, you know,

(08:48):
like I always say, like I admired Nick and Mark
Felix because they're my age, still doing it at an
elite lef Yeah, where you know I and I look
up to them where then you you know, for me,
I've I've always been a class two powerlifter. So but
there's people who watch me train and it's a little

(09:09):
bit different because they see me in some times like
I see Nick and Mark, Yeah, because they're like, man,
this dude's fifty eight years old and he's still deadlifting
over five hundred pounds, beating his body up, and you know,
and I'm like, well, they're mixed fifty something in Mark
and they're still pulling seven and eight hundred pounds in him.
You know, But you know, you know, and you know

(09:29):
who you are, and I think, you know, so you're
trying to like like anything else. Man, if you're if
you're into the physical fitness and the activity levels that
we are, and you have any sense of competitiveness, I
tell people, look, man, you're just trying to beat the
birth certificate, like for real, for real, I mean that's
I mean, that's really what we're all trying to do.
And some guys are fortunate enough from genetics, quality of

(09:52):
life jobs, they can do it a little bit different
than others. And and for me, I've been fortunate because
my job in a weight room since you know, I've
been in a weight room, like I said, since I'm
nine years old and made it a profession. So I
have the ability to do that. And sometimes I take
that for granted if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
No, No, it's understand you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And like even on my end, you know, it's like
a you know, my my training has always been bodybuilding.
That's what that was my forte that's what I started
with when I first started really training. I always was
into strong man, but I just you know, and never
correlated because like at my size and my weight, I
would have been a perfect match if I would have
started earlier, but bodybuilding was more of what I wanted.

(10:36):
I wanted to look. I wanted the aesthetics. So like,
even with the training that I've gone through with coaches
and you know, step by step in following plans and
understanding you know, actual technique and and the quality of
these lifting and these works. You know what I'm saying,
It really changes the dynamics of a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
But the one thing.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
With strong Man that I've come to learn and know
is like there's a lot of stabilization muscles that need
to be like really dialed in and strengthened, and like
I said, it's just one of those things, you know.
And and with strength and conditioning, I've never actually had
anyone help me with strength and conditioning. I've always just
been like fucking picking up, put it down, did it
look good?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Did it feel good? And you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
And you know, just just at my statue alone, you know,
I'm in decent sheep, but I'm not in great sheep.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
But yeah, I think we're all like I you know,
like like we know and I'm not and I'm I
have I have access to two well really three terrific
nutrition people, Nathan Peyton, my buddy John heck And who
worked for me, and another guy who worked for me,
Adam Fight. And I'm my own worst enemy. Man, I'm
trying to outtrain a bad diet, and my diet it's
not it's not that it's bad. It's like like again, man,

(11:42):
I like pretzels. Like, if I'm going to go shopping,
I'm buying three or four bags of pretzels, and that
carbs will get you when you eat them late at night. Uh.
And I and because like I tell people, because I
coached in college for almost two full decades, you get
institutionalized because you're always like when I came up, it
wasn't one sport. You worked sixteen seventeen sports. So you

(12:05):
get like I tell people, I was doing the slim
fast diet before there was slim fast. We were making
eating protein shakes and metros bars all through the day
and then you go home and have dinner. So like
for me to like you saw me before we got
on drinking, for me to drink two shakes or a
protein bar and maybe have one meal or a meal

(12:26):
and a half a day, that's just what it is like.
And I have to just what I need is and
again I'm not in that. I'm not ready yet to
commit to it. But I'll need like somebody to understand.
And this is where I think quality coaching compan it's
understanding your client. It's like when I so for me,

(12:51):
don't tell me to go out and buy three hundred
dollars worth of groceries a week. I'm not doing that.
You gotta tell me, Okay, this is the type of
shakes I make, this is what I'm putting in it,
this is how I eat, make it work. Tell me
the timing principles, tell me what to add, and then
let's give it a shot. Just like when we first

(13:11):
hired a nutritionist at at the Panthers, and she was
a All American swimmer at South Carolina. She's in their
Hall of Fame. She'd she came in fourth at the
Olympic Trials, the worst position you want because in swimming,
the top three go if you make the time. And
she so she understood athletics at a high level, and
the and the guys respected her tremendously. I thought she

(13:35):
was awesome.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
It was one of the best persons I worked with
in the nine years I was there, but I would
I'd had to tell her, like, look, you got to
understand some of these guys aren't going to listen to
them if you don't meet them where they're at. Like
if if you're working with a Polynesian kid, that dude's
eating rice. Like that's just the way it is. Don't
get it twisted. If I got a if I got

(13:56):
a got a young I got a kid who's in
the Deep South, he's eating fried chicken. They're eating that.
It doesn't matter white, black, brown, purple. If you're from
the South and you've been raised from Deep South grandma's
and mamas, you're eating fried chicken. So what can we
do to balance balance things out? And I can tell

(14:19):
you the year we went fifteen and one, we went
fourteen and oh and the number one meal we ate
on Fridays after practice was Bojangles because once we started winning,
we were not eating boj Hey, they catered in Bojangles
the week of the Super Bowl. Yeah, Like that's how
it goes, you know, so I think, And that's the

(14:40):
same thing with training, Like you made a good point
about the stabilization. The one thing I learned from my
value and This is what I would tell people what
you have to look You have to look at the
coach and a strong man. And I had to look
at this and I made some good epiphany moments with
Brian in year one that really helped this in year two.

(15:02):
Is my job is to fill in the gaps. My
job is to program the things that I know you
won't do if they're not programmed. But you know you
need them, yep, but but you won't do them. And
and that's why we had extensive Like I don't I
don't call what we do warm up because warm up,
to me is a is a almost a term that

(15:25):
automatically programs to brain into what I call duping around,
going going through the motions. I agree, So we call
it preactivity preparation because just in that nomenclature and the
way you set the tone, you hear preparation versus warm up.
It's different. You hear a focused attention to detail with

(15:46):
the with the precision of what the events are or
the movements are to get you prepared to lift weights
versus let's go do some high knee hugs. It's totally different.
So everything becomes a matter of own and choice of
terminology like we don't call it warm upsets, their preparation
progression sets, like it's all based off of hey, dude,

(16:09):
this is this is this is important. Like if it's
not important, I'm not putting it in. And then it
comes the value of with high level athletes, their communication
level is so much better because it becomes more of
with with with individuals in in a high level it
becomes more where I've had to tell this now to Thomas,

(16:31):
and I told it to Brian because these guys are
just great guys. And most of the guys I've met
in strong Man are very very great, like great people.
You can tell they they want to be good. Yeah, Like,
but what I told Brian for sure year one and
a little bit with Thomas was hey man, you're too coachable,

(16:52):
Like you got to tell me sometimes no I am
not doing that, or like yeah that's not that's not it,
and and and or two. It Brian was much better
because what I tell him now is if I come
aboard first things first, I'm the strength and conditioning coach.
I know events, but I prefer to have an event

(17:14):
coach because it's like have an assistant coaches, right, like
and I've I've done, I've done strong man like in
conditioning and stuff. And if you can see in that
one corner that little trophy right there, that's it. That's
my championship trophy from Chad Coy's meet in nineteen ninety,
the old Central USA Strongman Master's champ And I wasn't unopposed.

(17:38):
I did have to compete against somebody, So but I don't.
I don't. The techniques are It's like, why does the
football coaches have twenty five coaches? Yeah? And so for
me now I'm getting good at the events. I do
think if you can, if you have the ability to
have someone in your stable who is specifically under stands

(18:00):
the intricacies of event technique, I can teach anybody in
the beginning. It's like anything else. You know where you
can go until you need help. Anybody who says that
they've gone if they can, very few and again you
get the right talent, it doesn't matter. But I'm trying
to be the best influence I can on the athlete.

(18:21):
So I have to be upfront and honest. And the
more I learn about events, the better I feel about it.
If I had to be a one off coach, and
I can be a one off coach with probably everybody
up to those top twenty five guys in World's Strongest Man.
Then that's a little different because shit's real now. But

(18:43):
like bringing guys up to that level, I'm extremely confident
that I can get you to there, and then from
there we may need to expand the coaching staff out
to people who can really help like I can pick.
I have to be a competent coach when it comes

(19:03):
to technique with team sports, but now when you get
into this field, you have to be a little bit
more with a competitive eye. And I can do that
with shrine training exercises. I have a competency now that's
better with the strongman exercises. But for me to say
I have that competitive eye, that's the Brian Shaws, I

(19:23):
work with, Adam Dirks, with Thomas. You know, these are guys,
you know, big laws. Those guys are gonna see things
that I can't see.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, and that's one of those things that I've always
see too, Because I said, being with Nick, it's so
crazy how he can pull literally look at somebody do something.
He's like, oh he didn't do this, he didn't dip
down lower, he's not really set or the foot positioning
is like and it's like it's because you know a
lot of these guys that you're talking about that you mentioned,

(19:52):
like they have done it at that level and being
and doing it at that level is like like like
even for myself, like I can always point out small
foot mistakes and training and like, like I said, I've
had multiple people just you know, work out me training partners.
You know, they you know, body changes code, like I've
done coaching, but it's not like on any kind of

(20:12):
level as you're done. I've just done in the home
gym training with the people. But the thing is is
like it is understanding these fine details and be able
to point them out in a way where it's it's understandable,
you know what I'm saying, Because like we can always
state what we're trying to do, but when you take
it talk about the level you guys are at, it's
like trying to really relay the information because just like
one thing you're saying, it's like some people are too

(20:34):
coachable because they're agreeable and they don't know how to
understand that.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, and that's why I said, sometimes you got to
be a bad guy. I'm oh yeah, like like like
like I've learned a lot when I was with Brian.
I actually learned a lot from Steve Foshin. Yeah, he's
a competitive, high level competitive strong man, and he was
always on site for Brian. So like when I would
face time in, him and James were like my eyes
and ears on site, Like there was sometimes I'd watch

(21:00):
up I go, hey, does he really look that good
or is that me just seeing something on tape?

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Or vice versa, Hey I didn't look very good. What's
going on? Yeah? And then I you know, and then
it's funny because like we talked about Chad and Iris.
I mean I've known Chad now for a long time
and and you know, Chad is really really good strong
man coach, Like I've learned a lot from him, but
then he hires me to do his strength work. Like
it's so like everybody needs a coach and uh, and

(21:28):
those are things that like I've always said, like with Brian,
I was more like a consigliary than a coach, because
what are you really doing to coach Brian show? Hey,
well you know, but like but I know, like because
I've made you know, like I said, most people know
my story. I know Brian before anybody knew him. Yeah,
he wanted to be a strength coach two thousand and five.

(21:49):
He's working with us and we're teaching him how to
deadlift in his garage, in my garage at one hundred
and twenty degree heat. But like you know, I really
believe that Brian Obviously he believed in me right, and
he respected that I could help him. Brian's not bringing
anybody into the team unless the values there. He's not

(22:10):
going to ask. But I really believe that the biggest
reason why he wanted me. A part of it is
he was having a hard time with his hamstring issues
with the deadlift, and during that those times, like I
would text him right like from the I'd watch it
on like everybody else in texting, Yo, man, here's what

(22:33):
I saw. What do you think? When he's and then
I think so And because Brian where I think a
lot of guys are not able to do this financially,
they don't have really I don't like to use the
term off season. I like to either call it developmental
or on season, because you're never really off and you're

(22:55):
always working on something. So my buddy, my buddy Adam
Fight started to telling me about because I hate I
hated when they go, hey, the off seasons programs. Yeah,
starting in football, go off season. No, they're coming to work.
So I always called it developmental plan. But then when
my buddy Adams said, we'll call it the on season

(23:16):
because we're always working on something, I said, oh, yeah,
that's stolen. I'll give you credit, but but I'm stealing that.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
But I'm going to use that a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, but Brian had time in between events because Brian
wasn't going to all events, so like like people don't know,
Like when I came aboard with Brian for the first
World Strongest Man competition, we had twelve weeks of on
season before we even went into camp training, Yeah, for
World's Strongest Man, because back by then he was only

(23:47):
going to really do the World's Strongest Man, the Strongest
Man on Earth ak the Shaw Classic and if he
got invited to the Rogue. So with this, so for
for twelve weeks, I think I know Nick was out
there a couple of times. Nick can tell you, I mean,
this dude's doing I remember, why is Brian Shaw doing
sumo deadlifts. Why is Brian Shaw doing hip thrust. I'm

(24:10):
gonna tell you why. Because he doesn't train those muscles
and he and as big as strong as he is,
he ain't big. And like you said, sometimes you got
to know how to train to stabilize us.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
And and again, would we have liked it to have
happened a lot faster for him? It took two years.
And again then you have the confidence and I'm not
that's Brian's story to tell, but there was a confidence issue.
I mean it was evident everybody who knew I'm sure
Nick again, I'm not Nick, Chad or Steve. Everybody knew.

(24:43):
It was just destroying him. And again, how can it not.
You're the world's strongest man four times over, you one
of the greatest of all times. And you know deadlift
you have to deadlift. In the last times you have
not had good success deadlift in big ways health wise. Yeah,
so you know, and that's where you saw the culmination

(25:04):
of two years of work. Yeah, at position Yeah, at
the Shaw Classic when it was the first year World
strong the strongest man on Earth where you know that
year that first year we went with and they had
the deadlift ladder in the prelimbs and he missed the
last one, and everybody's like, what's wrong, what's wrong? And

(25:26):
I knew what was wrong. Uh, he knew what was wrong.
And the truth was up until that point when that second,
that second and last pool was like seven hundred and
ninety nine pounds, that's the most he pulled the whole
training So he actually for that training cycle pulled the
best he ever had. Yeah, and kind of knew. I
think he kind of knew he wasn't gonna get the

(25:47):
l he didn't. I was. I was surprised even back
then that he even attempted the last one. Yeah, and
I think that's because it's Brian Shaw. Yeah, and show. Yeah.
And then he did. You know, he did better in
the car dead lit for reps. But then if you
remember the next year at at Myrtle Beach Liker, you

(26:09):
heard Terry Hawks said it. Yeah, he went out on
those two deadlifts and everybody said, that's the old Brian Shaw,
that's it. And then he comes back at the Strongest
Man on Earth and Hummer Tires deadlifts ten fifty and
that was the big one where even I said, man,
I wish you would have went a little fast, but
it took two years of a of a passioned athlete

(26:35):
attacking something that needed to be done to battle through
the mental challenges of being because again, if you're not
Brian Shaw, it's looked at a lot different. But people
are ripping you apart for everything you do or don't
do right, Like I mean, like he's getting ripped apart allegedly,
Like how many people are Like damn, Brian's trying to

(26:57):
kill us? Is he? Or is he trying to find
out who the strongest man on earth is? For real?
You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, is he trying
to kill you? Ay? And if you don't want to come,
don't come exactly it is what it is because sixteen
people are gonna come. So those are things that I
think as a younger coach, evolve and is don't be
afraid to not know what you don't know, because if

(27:20):
you deal with high level athletes and you try to
fake them in this day and age, they're gonna find
out and then you've lost all trust. Yes, it's over.
Like if an NFL guy comes into my office and says, house,
I want to do this, what do you think of this?
What do you think of that? Well, this and this?
I know that I don't know, but I know people
who do. Let me get back to you, and then
I'll call those people and then I'll text that guy.

(27:41):
Hey man, I spoke to my dude. This is what
he says. And you know, and like I tell him,
somebody has to tell you no, and someone has to
be your voice or reason because these dudes are crazy,
Like yeah, they're the best of the best for a reason,
and they and they are who they are. They understand
what's going on. And like I've said, Eddie hall Man,

(28:04):
I wish I would remember where I heard this. It
might have been in one of those documentaries or one
of those videos of when he talks about pull pulling
five hundred. And this is what I've said too with
with a lot of athletes. But you see it a
lot now with CrossFit athletes in that new in that
metabolic demands of what they're asked to do, and then

(28:28):
with strong men and even powerlifters for so much and
what they're asked to do is you know the fight
or flight syndrome right where you have a certain level
of the you'll push yourself, and then right where you're
ready to go a little further, you won't. But then
when you're when the when there's a certain occurrence that
occurs not thinking straight, you hear all these crazy stories

(28:53):
about people say and what what what I say is?
And Eddie all said it. What what these high level
athletes have been able to do is I don't know
the correct terms. I used to say. They've pushed the
mental approach to fight or flight further away, Like exactly,
they can go further by eliminating whatever it takes to

(29:14):
break through that fight or flight barrier. And then, like
anything else, it goes all the way back to the
four minute mile. Once somebody shows you it can be done,
now you've opened up the floodgate. Like exactly, powerlifting, if
you deadlifted eight hundred when I first started, you were
the man. Yeah, Now everybody deadlifts eight hundred, Like, hey,

(29:35):
I know who I am. Like I was a class
two lifter, my best deadlift ever six hundred and eleven
pounds in competition, and back in that day, I believed
a lot like Eddie Cohne did because I followed Eddie
a lot. And now I'm friends with which is cool
where he said, you'll understand the balance of your abilities
if you're conventional and deadly and you're assumo or similar.

(29:59):
And he was like he would switch back and forth
a lot. You see most of his bigger lift sumo,
but he's done similar loads conventional and like and I
And at a point of my powerlifting career, I my
best ever conventional six hundred, my best ever sumo six'.
Eleven there you, go so at that point in my.
Career but like for, me you, Know I'M i was.

(30:23):
FIFTY i turned fifty eight this. YEAR a week AFTER
i was fifty, EIGHT i pulled five twenty nine in a,
meet my fourth decade of pulling over five. Hundred it
was a and that and again because my knees are,
SHOT i can't get the squad. DEPTH i just had
five anchor repair plus fifty percent bicep tear on. This,
yeah got to get a knee scope After World Strongest

(30:45):
man and probably will. NEED i took a beating to do,
that AND i have a lot of other, issues but
it was worth it to me BECAUSE i had set
a goal AND i wanted to accomplish. It but like people,
here you, know five twenty. Nine but like WHEN i tell, people, look,
man my best ever was six eleven at three hundred
and five, pounds AND i just pulled five twenty nine
at two eighty two at fifty eight versus thirty, Eight

(31:09):
and and when you do the, math that's a big.
Number that's like eighty five or something percent of my best. Ever,
yeah and then but then you compare it towards you,
know eleven of the twelve women at The arnold pulled
over five, hundred and you get back to. Reality, now
kudos to all of, them, right they're pushing the. Game
but it's, like, yeah, it but this is WHERE i, say,

(31:32):
MAN i know WHERE i am at this point in,
Time LIKE i know WHAT i want to. Accomplish and
that's where a lot of times people who've been at
a level that's, hard it's hard for them to come
down because they always, go WELL i used to do,
That well guess what you can't no, more so what
are you doing? Now and be excited the fact that, hey,

(31:53):
MAN i used to pull eight hundred and NOW i
pull six. Sixty, well there's a lot of fuckers who
wish they could pull six, six six.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Sixty that's here's a lot of people that wish they
could pull four oh. Five, yeah you know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Saying and, again LIKE i, thought AND i told you,
KNOW i said to, EVERYBODY i want to do this
deadlift meet because it might be the last TIME i
ever go back on a. Platform and then like and,
then AND i pulled it beat up LIKE i pulled
it with the. TORMNISCUS i pulled it with bilateral proximal,
hams drink ten banopathy and both legs THAT i trained

(32:26):
fourteen weeks with. It that that's Why i'm still rehabbing.
It my bicet felt like it was going to be blown,
off and NOW i know. Why it was fifty percent. Torn,
yeah AND i. Pulled my goal was to pull five oh,
one AND i pulled five twenty. Nine and anybody who
watches the take KNOWS i easily had five point. Fifty
BUT i don't know If i'd have walked off the
platform and it was five twenty nine because my buddies

(32:49):
who handled me. There one my buddy is good friend of,
Mine Adam, barber was at every one of my. DEADLIFTS
i deadlifted heavy every three weeks on an old school
Linear Eddie cone type of. Progression he was there every
every every three. Weeks he was at my house handling.
Me and then my good Friend Martin rooney came over
to be my like motivational, coach and they're watching my

(33:11):
warm ups and they're, like, oh you're gonna do five fifty.
Today you're gonna do five fifty teps saying, like, look,
MAN i ain't doing five fifty today BECAUSE i Know
i'm pushing it right, now like the fact THAT i
haven't blown a, Bicep i'm actually can still walk with
my knee and that, this AND i haven't torn these
tendons off the bone in my, glutes AND i wound

(33:33):
up doing WHAT i wanted to, do AND i knew right,
away LIKE I i KNEW i wasn't gonna pull five
on one because my training just dictated not, Yeah and
SO i was, like all, Right i'm Gonna And i'm
a big believer in get into. Me so my first
attempts are usually always a last warm up so to,
speak like you, know like or prep, LIKE i, mean
it's not even a, prep so it's my it'd be my.

(33:54):
Last IF i was in the warm up, room that
would be my last one BEFORE i go out like
most people, would But i'm GONNA i. Don't i'm the nervous,
guy Like i'm very this is How i'm gonna do. It.
Yeah SO i walked. OUT i THINK i went four
four fifty. Seven THEN i made a big jump to
five oh. Seven so NOW i NOW i set my.

(34:15):
Goal so anything after that's a. Bonus, Yeah and they're like,
five And i'm, like SO i HAD i really had
to go back between five twenty nine and five thirty
five in my head BECAUSE i knew the five oh
seven were. Good and WHEN i projected myself AND i
started doing my my meditation and, visualization it was four fifty,

(34:37):
seven five oh, seven five twenty. Nine that's what it
was for two. Weeks. Yea SO i was, like you know, what,
man as much AS i hate the fact that five
twenty nine is in five, thirty, like it's five twenty, Nine,
LIKE i was, Like i'm pulling five twenty nine And
i'm getting out here. Smiling that's. It then then here's
the funniest. Shit this is this is the, stuff like

(34:58):
you know it just to me and, HEY i tore
my wall in my. Gym so but then, like you,
know So i'm all jacked up and And i'm not
going to sit here a lot of you. Again i'm beat.
Up SO i. DID i did a single ply suit with,
brief so it's considered multiply to protect Because i've had
a hernia, surgery SO i got to protect a lot

(35:18):
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Exactly SO i get this.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Package AND i competed in a group called three sixty
five strong that does a lot of meats out. Here.
Yeah SO I i get, home there's this envelope from
three sixty five, strong AND i open it up and
says congratulations on your world record. Achievement And i'm, like,
oh this is like and again it's up on my,
wall but like it's like it's like your your what

(35:43):
multiply Multiply masters fifty five to fifty nine three oh
eight class world record. Holder i'm, like all, right it's.
Good i'll take.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
It i'll take.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
That i'll take a world, record you know. What, yeah
you know They, hey you're gonna tell ME i got
a world record in your. Association, Hey i'm gonna take it.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Exactly the nicest a the nicest frame in the. Center
you know What i'm. Saying i'll take that.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
All BUT i, mean but, AGAIN i think you, know
as you come through And i've listened to you talk
a lot on your stuff On, instagram is the same.
THING i think when you're in the strength, game whether
it's aesthetics, right strength or power or or even even
if you want to be like a you, know a

(36:34):
weekend warrior in Strong man or CrossFit or, whatever you're
still gonna strive to be the best you can. Be,
like you're not just going there to show. Up like
even even those who don't do WHAT i call professional,
CrossFit when they go to the CrossFit box and they
join that, community they're there to, compete like, yeah and

(36:58):
it's not necessarily competing against the other, people it's competing against. Themselves,
hey we're doing this program this workout. Today last time
you did it in twenty one. Minutes today you did
it in twenty thirty, right like, yep or you, know
just like anything, Else, hey last, time you, know we're
doing log press in the weight. Room, hey last TIME
i did a viper press with two hundred. Pounds, HEY

(37:21):
i want to DO i hit two or five? Today?
Right like those are things THAT i, Mean so the
competitiveness of what it does for, you regardless of the.
Levels that's the whole. Thing like anything, else it's not
hard to get started on your fitness. Journey go out
and walk five minutes on your, block, right five is
going to turn into. Six it's just like When Stan

(37:44):
efferding And Mark bell they started pumping up the ten minute, walks, right,
yeah everybody in their mothers multiple ten minutes walk ten
minutes after you. Eat it's worked good for your digestive, system,
right and all. That, well my ten minute walks started
to become five k, walks AND i could walk a five,
k LIKE i think the best five K i walked

(38:05):
was under fifty minutes and that he, yes, so but
like those are things that and it didn't happen because
it just organically grew like, hey you, know AND i
still would Do and then like my ten minute walks
became fifteen minute walks seventeen minute walks because that was a.
Mile i'm, Like i'm just gonna walk a, mile, like

(38:26):
AND i have all these different routes in my, neighborhood
AND i know where the FIVE k, IS i know
where the one k. IS i know a lot of
us have. That, YEAH i know where the point six
two is and simple and like for, me generally ten
minutes eleven minutes is point six to, two SO i
can get. That so BUT i mean that's WHERE i
think people are, like, OH i don't have the. Time

(38:48):
everybody has, Time like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Everybody, YEAH i can't stress out.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
ENOUGH i MEAN i, mean like, again like even like
if you, do even if you follow this right after every,
meal go walk ten. Minutes and WHEN i worked at The,
panthers it was great because one lap around the entire
stadium was ten, minutes so we would just walk out
the weight, room walk a lap around the, stadium off you.
Go like even now WHEN i work in my, OFFICE

(39:12):
i try to, go like every two, Hours i'll just
go outside and walk. Up and even IF i just
walk up and down my street for ten minutes AND
i do, IT i call it mailbox mailbox. Shuffle i'll
go mailbox to, mailbox further mailbox back and forth and
just walk back and forth to the. Mailboxes and then
you don't need you don't need a, Gym you don't

(39:34):
necessarily need weights to be to get. Strong you, know
most of, us especially as we get, older body weight
is extremely important to be able to push yourself off
of a chair and get out of bed without. ASSISTANCE
i mean that stuff's, important and you, know but the,
gym you, know Everybody now the big thing is have

(39:54):
your own. Gym but even, then it's nice to have,
camaraderie like exactly the. Environment, Yeah Like i've trained today
at a small gym that's been. Around i've been training
on and off there since the. Nineties and my wife
told me to do it because my home gym used
to be my secondary, gym SO i come home on
the weekends and love. It now it's become my main,

(40:15):
gym and now it drives me stir. Crazy so she's,
like you got to go Join jack's and get the
hell out of the house once in a. While oh,
Yeah and THEN i wind up. Driving THEN i wind
up driving joining a couple of, gyms AND i got
a couple of. Projects Now i'm not one HUNDRED i
know where exactly it's, going BUT i may have some
cool stuff coming on the front with. That but, Yeah

(40:37):
SO i MEAN i think, that you, know people need
to understand that no more people are going to judge
you for what you're not doing than what you're, doing like,
Exactly AND i don't mean that in a negative. WAY
i mean like people will people will more concerned with

(41:00):
why aren't you doing? It versus Well i'm not good at?
It well, yeah Hell i'm not good at it. Either
i'm just Like i'm just you, know LIKE i. Won't
i've chosen WHERE i know WHAT i want to, Do, like,
YEAH i want to be able to do some variation
of a. SQUAD i wanted to be able to do
some variation of a. Deadlift i'm not afraid to condition,

(41:21):
hard But i'm not going to run, sprints even THOUGH
i know there's value in, that even at my. Age
my sprinting will be on a versa climber or on
some type of cardio piece, Exactly AND i wouldn't say it's,
sprinting but Or i'll do some type of interval work
with farmers walks or yokes or something like.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
That but, YEAH i literally have an exercise bike And i'm,
like guess. What it has an interval, setting AND i
get on that and guess. What it's the low impact
that my leg, needs it's the low impact my back,
needs and it's still, something you know What i'm SAYING i.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Have AN arc train WHAT i use for my WHAT
i call mindless, conditioning and THEN i have a verse
a climber WHEN i want to get my butt.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Woked, exactly and that that's the thing, too is like
even touching on the point where like a, Loop i'm
not good at.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
This, well guess. What nobody's good at a lot of.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Things and if you don't get your ass up and
going and just, trying you'll never get good at. Anything
you know What i'm. Saying everything takes. Practice anything you
do takes. Practice even starting a new, job you have
to get trained to do it before they even let
you do.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
It AND i believe, it like if you walk into
the right, Gym AND i think that's one thing WHERE
i will, Say, Uh I'm i'm Not i'm A i'm
a fan of professional crossfitters BECAUSE i can't believe what they.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Do it's.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Insane back when cross firs first, started, uh based off
of WHAT i WHAT i learned in, college or WHAT
i believe in, PERSONALLY i still question sometimes the non
correct way they program. Stuff, YEAH i didn't, WORK i
mean AND i didn't AND i didn't necessarily agree with
them promoting.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Rabdo, yeah, real because it's something it does happen on
a regular basis With but.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
WHAT i will, say what what CrossFit did do was
it Created it created a community for people to go
in and not be, judged right because even the most
in shape person out of crossfitter embraces the Non, hey

(43:25):
hold on one. Second my wife's going away for the.
Weekend i'll see my bad all, RIGHT i love. You
she's going on a women's weekend with a supper and my.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Nieces be fun you know What i'm.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Saying and that's funny, too because my wife's leaving this weekend,
too but, uh you, know. Unfortunate it's for, uh you,
know a sadder. Thing but you know What i'm. Saying
so it's just me and the boys at, Home.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Well it's me and THEN i gotta take care of
my wife's. Dogs NOTICE i said my. Wife i'm Not
i'm not a Pet i'm not a pet.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
PERSON i trust. Me it's it's a safe situation on this.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
End but you, KNOW i do want to take a
little a bit of a pivot because, like, uh and and,
then LIKE i, said this is just you, know on
the strength and strength and conditioning, part my actual youngest
son IS uh is getting ready to start high, school
and he is tooking a huge interest in weightlifting and

(44:28):
strengthening and conditioning, because LIKE i, said, that just like
the most majority of, us when we go into high,
school it's high school football right. Away he one of
the things that we we. Did and LIKE i, said
and this is just a personal preference BECAUSE, uh in our,
Area i've had too many friends whose friends did little
League uh for little league football and broken collar, bones

(44:49):
fucking you, know tour tour, ligaments and it's LIKE i
didn't want that for my. Son SO i was, like,
look get a little, bigger wait till high, school and
then we'll start doing. Football LIKE i, SAID i knew
would have been it'd have been a lot greater if
he started. Earlier but there was just a lot of
concerns THAT i was just having, because LIKE i, said
some areas are some programs are run better than. Others

(45:11):
BUT i was seeing a trend AND i didn't like that.
Trend SO i was, like all, right let him get
a little bit. Bigger and now he's getting ready to start,
football and he's definitely been a lot more interested in.
Training so one of the things That i've been doing
is helping him actually develop the base muscle of. Stabilizers
but one of the THINGS i wanted to ask you
and talk to you about is, like what's what's a

(45:33):
method in just the beginning marks of somebody who's getting
ready to. Start i'm talking about he's a lean, frame you, know,
ay and he has my. Genetics he's thirteen six foot
about one.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Thirty, five you know What i'm.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Saying But i'm just trying to put him on the
path to get him prepared for when he actually starts
training with his coaches and his, things just so he
has a little bit more of that that leg up
when he actually goes to.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Start, yes he's is he a ninth?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Grader then, yeah he's an eighth Grader now.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
He'll Be this kind of fits into one of my
passion projects of My block zero, concept where it's like
integrating young inexperienced kids into the program for the first. Time. Right, Yeah,
generally no matter who they, are male or, female there's
a confidence, issue there's a nervousness, issue there's a they're worried. About,

(46:28):
again these are impressionable. Kids what's my friend's gonna think,
Uh And i'm a Big i'm a, big huge proponent
of WHAT i call gymnastics. Strength, yeah can? Can can
the kid legitimately do a push? Up? First? Right? Like?
Yeah can he do a push? Up can? He can

(46:49):
he do a legitimate body weight squat to a parallel
box with his own body weight without without a form
break and without excuse, me losing strength and mobility where
they can't get to a parallel box like you may
have to start out a higher box because they're not
strong enough or mobile enough to get down properly to

(47:11):
depth whatever that may.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Be you.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Know So i'm big into the, gymnastics like Pull if
you can't do a pull? Up can how long can
he hold his chin over the bar to? Start? Right?
Yeah then you do. Negatives and this is a whole
concept and a whole program that actually this little disc
right here is a five hour presentation that we're turning
into a course based off Of block zero, concepts and

(47:39):
we're working with a, big huge company that's nationally that
wants to do webinars and tide this educational. Arm but
SO i would tell, you as as somebody who understands
that training is if he can it's always this movement before. Muscle,
yes in, football if you can't move you it doesn't matter. Anyway,

(48:00):
yeah but LIKE i would do things like, pistols you, know.
Pistol like my oldest son probably would have been a
hot could have been a high level. Crossfitter but he.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Was he.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Was you, know when he was in the ninth, grade
he could Do nordic, curls which no one can. Do
he could do. Seven by the time he was a
senior in high, school he did fifty at the end
of a. Workout and, no and we've got, guys if
you do, one you're getting. Celebrated, yeah, no, Joker yeah he.
Can he. Was he, chins pull, ups single leg, squads,

(48:35):
pistols all of that. Stuff those things there because what
it's shown is one the strongest people in the weight
room pound for pound are the ones who are strongest
with their relative body. Weight why are wrestlers in gymnasts
when you start testing it and then comparing their strength
lifts to their body, weights are always stronger than almost

(48:57):
any other team sport. Athlete, yeah because they. Are they
have a high level of releive relative strength with the
amount of things they can. Do just body weight. Wise
and what happens also is when you're talking about like,
stabilized the resiliency in the stabilization of that helps protect
them when they do go into the strength, movements like,

(49:18):
uh like When i'm, sure like in your age bracket
is similar to, mine they threw us in the weight
room and, said go bench. Press we're a big fucking
to going to this club bench. Press BUT i. COULDN'T
i still, well the BEST i ever did was seven
chin ups in. College BUT i got trained by a
high intensity strength. Coach so one of our one of
our lifts every day we're in the weight room was

(49:39):
negative chins and. Dips we were going to be able
to do chin, ups but like outside of, That i've
never been able to do more than one or two
IF i was. Healthy but, oh But i'm expected to
bench four hundred plus BECAUSE i play a. Line, yeah
and THEN i want to know Why i'm having rotator
cuff surgery on probably both shoulders because and that's nobody's.

(50:02):
Fault that's just the way it. Is. Yeah and here's
the thing is that people tell you, this guys Like Joe,
DeFranco Martin, rooney there's a correlation between the ability to
do pull ups and how fast you. RUN i don't
know why that, is BUT i do know this with
The nordic. Curls, nowadays with sports science and this u
of apparatus called the Nord, board that's one of the

(50:24):
key indicators to hamstring. RESILIENCY i don't know why. THIS
i don't want to call it, stupid this single joint
knee flextion movement that nobody can, do but the east
central component of. It there's research out there that shows hamstring.
Resiliency AND i can tell you if you can do,
them your, damnse you're going to be able to. Squad,

(50:44):
yeah you know What i'm. SAYING i think outside of
five star offensive linemen and throwers in high, SCHOOL i
don't know if any high school athlete needs the back.
SQUAD i think you. Can you can perform a poorly
executed back, squad and you can't do that with a front.

(51:05):
Squad plus the front squad athletically a. Member this is
what we're. Saying, now you're talking about a kid who
wants to play, football not a kid who's lifting. Weights. Right,
yes so front squatting is going to be much more
beneficial in athletic endeavors than a back. Squad And i'm
NOT i used to. LIVE i built the whole system
of training around a back squad and BEFORE i, realized,

(51:27):
hey this ain't about because you know you ain't about.
Lifting it's changed. Philosophies but, yeah you, know overhead press
before bench. Press we've all as you know as a strongman,
fan what are we seeing and what does everybody? Realize
if you improve your overhead, press your bench will go.
Up you, know if you bench and don't overhead, press
it's not the other. Way, plus If i'm training an

(51:50):
athlete and out out outside of adaptives athletes and team
sports adaptive team sport, athletes most of the athletes we're
going to deal with are gonna be on their. Feet,
Yes and what you notice with guys who when they
first are women that first start working overhead press from their,
feet there's a balance and stabilization. Issue something that you've

(52:11):
brought up the term stabilization at least a half a
dozen times that we've been on The Oh it's, Podcast.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
And you, KNOW i say it all the time because
it's the one Thing i've noticed in all my training
is because you, know everyone's a baby tear when they
first start working. Out but until those the stabilizers are
built up to a certain, point that's when movements get.
Steady and when they start getting, steady that's when the strength.
Increases and it's like it's always been an indication for

(52:37):
me When i'm working with anybody that works with, me and,
oh don't, worry you'll get.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
There you'll get.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
There then when it, comes it's, like all, right now
it's time to put a little gas on the little
pressure on the.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Gas and that's where, again like you, see some of
these people call them, gimmicks but they're not Like i'm
GONNA i can't wait to Get i'm a long way.
Away but like one of the key exercises That i'll
do When i'm clear will be oscillating bench presses and
overhead presses to work the stabilization muscles of the shoulder.

(53:08):
Capsule and you, KNOW i think you've got to train
the neck right. AWAY i mean he's got to train the.
Neck that's for any, athlete male or, female doesn't matter the.
Sport everything starts with. Posture the head controls. Posture most
of us now are in a protracted way with the head, Nodded,
yeah and that's not that's what's killing thoracic mobility and.

(53:30):
Posture so that has to be. Done and that's just
that simple body weight mobility work of just learning how
to do the rotations of the head and then scalpul
plane movements again to help with the Scalpular people don't talk,
about you, know they'll talk about muscle, groups but they
have to talk about the joint movements that surround the muscle.

(53:51):
Groups so like when you talk a lot of times
about shoulder development or trapp, development people don't. Understand all
we talk about is the two, knots, right we got
to but that's only that only relates to one movement
of the scapular scalpular. Elevation there's still the main ones
you can train in the way when we're, depression upward and, downward, ROTATION,

(54:13):
u scapular retraction and, protraction and that's the things that
when you training, athletes all that comes into. Play when
you're training strong, men it's it's a little bit different
because of the multiple joint movements that have to be
done at a heavy. Pace but that's, where LIKE i,

(54:34):
said in that preactivity prep all these little bs things
that we think don't. Count you're doing those for set
to twenty, five, like and what are you. Doing you're
you're building up ligament and tendon. Strength you're building muscular
endurance and small, muscles and it's a great way to
prep to do your big. Work, yes so there's you.

(54:56):
CAN'T i don't think you can do enough reverse lunch,
walking whether it's in, place split, squads all all this.
Stuff because here's the thing, is AND i said this
and it was a. Viral it's an eight second. Deal
if a kid can't do a push up and can do,
Five if a kid can't do a pistol squad and
can do, one did he not get? Stronger that's? It

(55:20):
so and again there's a. LOT i, mean you hear
it all the. Time you, know you can go on
YouTube right, now type in thug workout and you'll see
these dudes at the parks and they're yoked up and
all they're doing is push ups and pull ups at the.
Park so don't tell me you can't get yoked up

(55:40):
and put on massive amount of. Muscles AND i guarantee
you every one of those, guys well guarantee is a hard.
Word people will call you out about. IT i would,
say there's all a large percentage of those guys could
probably bench press double body weight of their, benches of
their body, weight and they don't even bench press for
the most part, exactly you. Know so those are things

(56:02):
THAT i think. People and here's the other thing, Too
you have to slow, cook don't be remember will you'll
know more about your kid the first day of, practice
if he's a football player or. Not and it won't
be because he bench press one thirty. FIVE i can
tell you. THAT i, mean you either have the skill
set to play the game or you. Don't everything else

(56:26):
is how do you educate the athlete to show you
it has. Value and in some positions there's more value
to lifting weights than other. Positions the further away you
are from the center of the, ball the least. Weight
lifting weights is more about protection than it is about performance.
Enhancement AND i mean that in a lot of. Regards

(56:49):
i'm not telling you that they don't need, lifting but
it's a different reasoning behind the. Lift, yes and it
becomes more Of, again that's where it's more, about LIKE i,
said pure. Protection hey, man if you're a wide, receiver
and you're gonna be running a lot of go routes
or you're a kick return and run and. Go hamstring

(57:10):
resiliency is. Key, hey you don't want to bench, press,
fine we'll do some dumb bells or push. Ups but
we've got to work the. Hamstrings we got to keep.
Them we've got to. Work we've got to work stabilization
of the. Knee we've got to do a. Touchdowns we've
got to do, pistols we've got to do lunch. Work
we've got to do a lot of single it you
don't like, squatting, okay we'll do a rear foot elevated.
Squad it's a single lake. Squad it's a, squad, right

(57:31):
like these are the things as and this are high.
Levels this is the higher they, get the more they figure, out,
man what AM i doing this? For and the more
athletic they, are the more they don't why DO i
have to do? This? Yeah you? Know and AGAIN i
always say, this this is What i've told people now
because as everybody's just going crazy about, training, training, training,

(57:53):
here here's what here's WHAT i WHAT i like to
tell people. Now and, remember, Man i'm a weight. Coach
like this Is i've made a life in a career
off of team sports lifting. Weights but the truth of
the matter is, is let's go all the way back
when they started playing. Football what did they tell you
about lifting. Weights it'll slow you, down it'll make your muscle,

(58:16):
bound it's no, good, right, Yes but guess what they
did at your high school On friday? Nights they played.
Football then all of a, sudden wait a, second it'll
help them from getting. Hurt lean body masks makes you
faster and, stronger but it doesn't affect your skill. Set
it actually makes you move. Better your mobility is. Better
so then they started lifting. Weights and guess what they

(58:38):
Did friday at your high? School they played. Football and
now Tomorrow i'm going to pass a bill that says
no one's allowed to lift weights no more if you're
a team sport. Athlete and guess what's gonna happen This
september On friday night at your high, school they're gonna
field a football. Team people are gonna come and see.
It so that's WHERE i got to remind, Coaches, hey
that leaderboard when you, got oh we got fourteen guys

(59:01):
who cleaned four, Hundred, Well i'm gonna tell you. This
if those fourteen guys clean four hundred and none of
them have a thirty inch or or at high, School
i'd say at twenty seven or inch vertical or, better
then that CLEAN i can guarantee you isn't technically correct.
Exactly so that's the. Thing even in, College hey that Cay,

(59:21):
god oh, man we had four guys cleaned four. HUNDRED
i want to know their verticals twenty, two twenty, four twenty,
one twenty. Eight well maybe the twenty eight guys if he's.
Alignment but the truth, is you clean four, hundred you
better be jumping over thirty, yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Eight and that's, it you.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Know so those are things THAT i would tell, you is.
DON'T i don't like to say. DON'T i would prefer
you not To russian because you have to be you
have to build the confidence in the kid and to.
Me and this, again this is where CrossFit. Helps when
you see guys banging twenty thirty pull, ups that's way
more impressive than a guy laying on his bed his

(59:59):
back in a bench. Press.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Yeah and that's the one thing we've been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Too it's Like i'm working them in slowly And i'm, like,
look we're just gonna just play with some. Weights we're
just gonna like get these. Things is like we do,
bandwork And i'm a big proponent of band. Work just
like you, SAY i don't call them warm. Up So i'm, like,
hey we're just getting getting ourselves set up to do these.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Lists and we like to call it grease in the.
Groove that's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
It that's, it and that's what we've been.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Doing SO i definitely appreciate everything that you've given me
it because it's definitely opened my eyes. Up and definitely
gonna be working on The nordics with them because LIKE
i said's pistol squats and we've been working on push,
ups were working on pull ups and LIKE i, said
just trying to get the basics in that bass.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Muscle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah like the biggest thing, too is like you can't
do enough, planks like just strengthening the. Core you, know
rotation type work with a med ball when he's there
and you know those those are and plus you can
make it, fun like you could Turn that's one. Thing
you could turn those types of workouts into a nice
little WHAT i call medley or. Circuit, yeah you could
just run your guys through and they're having a little

(01:00:59):
fun with it and then and there's no real. Pressure
that's that's where PEOPLE i think missed the. Boat it's, like, oh,
WELL i got this six foot, four two pound eighth,
Grader we got to get him in a squad. Rack,
well how do you even know the guy knows how
to squad and exactly how do you know he even
wants to? Squad like you know he's going to be a.
Ballplayer how do you know he's never? Played like this

(01:01:21):
is where AGAIN i, Think, hey, MAN i love. Coaches,
MAN i had some of the best. Ones i've had
coaches that were. Okay BUT i became a coach BECAUSE
i had more positive uh interactions with coaches THAN i did.
IT i, MEAN i wouldn't be here without my high
school offensive and defensive line coach and my high school head.
Coach but my my high school head coach was. Legit

(01:01:42):
but my high school old line d line coach was
so far ahead of the game in the eighties technically
THAT i WOULD i wouldn't you. KNOW i got to
choose WHERE i went to, School, like, yeah a lot
of people can't say, That LIKE i got to choose
WHERE i went to, school AND i chose for WHERE
i went for a lot of, reasons BUT i just

(01:02:04):
felt really fortunate THAT i was able to do that
Where i'm not like my, son my, oldest who's a
really good, player but in the, end he had one scholarship,
offer so he really didn't have a. CHOICE i, mean you,
know because you want to be a scholarship. Player, yeah you.
Know my other son was a. Thrower he walked on

(01:02:26):
and earned a. Scholarship but a little. Different but, like
that's the thing WHERE i look at things a lot different.
Now BUT i try to educate people with the positivities
of what happens is hey, man for everything that you
wish you could have, done, like OH i wish just
what happened that many people wish they could do what you've.
Done and that's WHERE i think a lot of people

(01:02:47):
missed a boat on too when they are telling their.
Stories hey, man you make your story like you want
it to be a set LIKE i could tell, You hey,
house how come you didn't go to THE? Nfl hey,
MAN i blew my knee out WHEN i was a.
FRESHMAN i blew two ligaments ACL. Mcl that's the last
thing you wanted to do in the, eighties and then

(01:03:09):
you know, what by the, time by the time it
was time for me to go to THE, nfl they
had already declared me a medical, reject right, like And i'm,
LIKE i could be telling that sad, story but my story,
is hey, man there was a lot of people Thought
i'd never played, again AND i started twenty two games
In division one. Football so in the, end a lot
of people wish they could say they started twenty two

(01:03:32):
games IN d one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Football, hey let me tear it, down and we're gonna
stop right, there because, man we can talk freaking FOR
i could listen to you forever, too so you, know
let them know where to find you and where to
look look for. You And i'm gonna put all that
in the show notes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Too, Yeah i'm really. Simple you can really find me On.
INSTAGRAM i don't mess With twitter or x BECAUSE i
think a lot of people in my professional career used
that for just. Banter and, like, YEAH i don't even
know what else to. SAY i my website's w big

(01:04:09):
housepower dot. Com you don't have to say. WWW i
got so used to that. ONE i, mean back then
it was, hey, www dot big housepower dot. Com now
you don't have, to but big house power dot com
is the. Website it's got some really good stuff. Material
it's got a lot of good free. Material it's got

(01:04:30):
a lot of block zero free material on. It it
used to be a paid, site and THEN i was, like,
Man i'm, Not i'm. Not i'm not keeping it up
the day to have people pay for no. Updates SO
i just made everything free and it's got you, know
it's got some product on. There i'm, working LIKE i,
Said i'm working on the biggest thing is LIKE i

(01:04:50):
told you, earlier just finding the right platform to put
out the MATERIAL i. Have and then you, Know i'm
always a, coach AND i started out a poor. CODE
i started out WHERE i didn't have a budget to
pay for a lot of professional development. Things So i'm
always coach. Conscious and sometimes that's a good thing when

(01:05:11):
it comes to taking care of my people in my
field and paying it. Forward but then sometimes it could
be a bad thing because you're cutting yourself short on
what your value. Is so that's the business, part, Right
so it's somewhere in. Between But i'll always fault on
knowing what it was like to have to, decide AM
i going to go to this clinic to better myself

(01:05:34):
SO i can better my? Family BUT i need that
money BECAUSE i need formula and baby, diapers, Right that's.
It SO i get, it AND i appreciate those. People
that's why Anytime i'm speaking on a weekend or an,
EVENT i appreciate the fact that those people have invested
in their profession BECAUSE i understand the value of time and.
Finances so, generally And i'll be honest And i'll tell you,

(01:05:58):
This i'm GENERALLY i would Say i'm way over seventy
five percent of answering dms On. INSTAGRAM i never. THOUGHT
i remember early, ON i was, like if YOU dm
me On instagram Or, twitter that's not. Professional you got
to find My but now that's that's how we. Communicate, yeah.
Exactly you, know it's down in THE dm for whatever it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Want that's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
It but you, know and AGAIN i think that it's
just a way we have to. Adapt and we've all
if you're not going to adapt to what the society
tells you to, do you're not going to. Win SO,
i LIKE i, Said i'm not one hundred, percent So
i'm not going to say BUT i am better than
seventy five percent if you ask a legitimate. Question and

(01:06:41):
then the same thing, IS i Know i've talked to
coaches about, hey i'll help you. Out let's get on a.
Zoom but, remember hey, man everybody's. Busy but if it's
that important to, you you talk to you to keep
contacting me to get exactly, like don't expect me to be,
like oh, WELL i told you they don't carry.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Conversations, Yeah, like hey.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Man and again this is where you gotta be a
little bit of a A, Hey i'm Doing i'm doing you
a favor because, exactly my time is super.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Valuable, hey for, real for, Real AND i appreciate the
time you coming on here to all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
This AND i appreciate your help on the business. Side
AND i will see you in what about two, weeks,
Right i'm getting. In i'm getting in, monday.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Okay And i'll be. Here i'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Back i'll be back monday, too Because i'm flying in
on the twelfth back From Las.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Vegas, Yeah i'll Be so you are you flying back With?

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Nick, No nick's driving. Up i'm flying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Back how far drive is that From vegas To? Sacramento
it's about a twelve hour. Drive nick likes. Driving he
didn't he drive that little.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Spin that's that's What he's going to drive up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Again he's gonna drive up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Again you know What i'm. Saying he's done it, before
he'll do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Again all, RIGHT i appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Think oh, yeah, no no problem at, all and let's
get on out. Here this is The Angry dad with
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