Ep. 754 - Healing Through Spirituality and Miracles | Joanne Menon

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have. My name is Chris Barry. I am one of the team members
here at Answers Network, and Iwill be stepping in for Alan on this
week's show. On Today Show,we are very excited to have miss Joanne
men And, who is a spiritualpsychology coach who works with people to help
them overcome major pain, emotions,or any challenges to ultimately live a life

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filled with more tranquility. So,without further ado, Joanne, Welcome onto
the stage. How are you doingtoday? Thank you so much for the
introduction, and I am. Iam in a very joyful place right now,
so I'm happy to be here absolutely. I know beforehand we were talking
about coming off average three, sowe got all the joy I yes,

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I was on the retreat for thelast couple of days here in Newport,
and you come away and you're juston this high, and you've been in
this community of powerful souls who arereally willing to do this work and heal
and by the end of you know, a couple of days, you go
down to the heaviness, but thenyou come back up and you're stronger than
you've ever been. So I'm bothexhausted and elated at the same time.

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It's funny how both of those feelingscould be present at the same time,
it's like the body they are.It's like you said, the energy is
are so crazy high in the samesense it is it is definitely absolutely So
I know, I have a listof questions here, and I even want
to dive a little bit deeper intoyou know, the retreat, what everything
that you guys go through on that. But before I dive into all this
and we kind of get in theconversation, I want to make sure that

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everyone here listening today has a littlebit of a better understanding of you,
who you are, your background andeverything and what they could basically expect to
hear for the next let's call itforty five minutes of us chatting together.
So I'm gonna go through really quick, share a little bit about your background,
and then we can continue the conversation. That sounds great. That sounds
great, awesome, So everyone thatis here either listening or watching. Joanne

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was originally a public school teacher anda writing mentor over at UC Irvine in
southern California, and as she beganher career as a spiritual wellness coach,
her son actually was diagnosed with autism. So as she got into this,
she said, how can I seekcancers. How can I get a better
understanding of all of this in orderto ultimately heal her son. So this

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led her down the path of actuallygetting a master's degree in spiritual psychology,
Consciousness, health and healing. Soonce she went ahead and got all this
basically, for the past twenty years, Joanne has actually been a student and
a teacher of a course in Miracles, which leads spiritual retreats in Olympic National
Park, Newport Beach and Bath,England, and she also recently developed the

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Eternal Circle Process to assist clients withthe challenges of spiritual growth. Her passion
is teaching differences between the ego mindand the Holy mind, which is something
I want to dive into in aminute. I'm curious here, I can't
wait, and also helping clients toachieve the highest levels of co creation and
communication with the divine. There's somany things I want to dive into.
But that was a mouthful right there. It's like, wow, Wow,

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that's a lot, but yeah,that's what I do. It is well
and ultimately it really touches upon yourvast knowledge in this entire space and everything
that you've really dedicated a large chunkof your life to learning and doing and
everything like that. So before weget into some of those different avenues,
first things first, just so peoplehere can understand what is spiritual psychology.

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M that's a great question. Spiritualpsychology. It is the study of psychology.
But what's been added back in isthis element of soul. It's not
just oh, what's my mind doing? Or can we have a psychiatrist diagnose
me as something wrong. It tunesinto the idea of your soul, of

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your authentic self, of this higherwisdom that is always available to you at
all times. And when you understandthere is something working on your behalf,
there is this wise aspect of yourselfalways available. No matter what problem you

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are faced with, you can pauseand just say, there's a part of
me that knows the answer to this. And it's not that there's anything wrong,
it's how am I viewing that that'scausing me pain or suffering or confusion?
And is there a better way?Is there a different way that my
authentic self can tap into to guideme to the answer that I need?

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Interesting, And there's obviously some skillsthat when we're kids we naturally have,
and then as we grow older,maybe we start to hamper or suppress it
and stuff like that. When itcomes to everything that you were just describing,
is this something that is more ofa let's call it learn skill or
something that indiactively practice or is itsomething that we have inherently as children and

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then we start to suppress it aswe grow older. Would you say all
of the above, Yes, youdefinitely. Kids definitely have that intuitive sense.
They're highly creative. And an exampleof that is when my son was
in middle school, we had todetour into the homeschooling arena, which I

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was not prepared for, but itjust so happened. Long story short,
here he is a homeschooler. Andwhat was amazing is we did join a
science farm camp. This was whenwe were living in Ohai, and the
idea was kids need to follow theirown intuition as to what they want to
do. And it was fascinating towatch the younger kids just explore their creativity.

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They were doing all kinds of thingsand the older kids literally did know
how to access that side of themselves. And it took the teacher of this
science farm camp to suggest to us, like, listen, your son is
going to have to actually learn tobe bored for a while because he's so
used to being told what to doand told what to do and told what

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to do and to follow the bells. He doesn't know how to think for
himself. And sure enough, ittook about eight months. My son read
a lot and did things, buthe would watch the littler one, you
know, the little ones, andall of a sudden, one day something
just turned and suddenly he'd come homeand he'd be like, Mom, I
was studying, like, you know, everything from the medieval ages to blacksmithing

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to oh now we're out on it. You know, we're studying what does
the environment look like after this hugefire came through O Hi, and he
just came alive with what he neededfor his own personal growth. So I
really watched it in him. Sohe kind of developed that skill. But
a lot of times adults who cometo me, they say, like,
you know, on the surface ofwhat I saw in the physical world,

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it seemed like maybe it was thisman was the perfect partner for me,
But something just felt off and Ididn't know what it was, and what's
wrong with me that I just can'tgo with this beautiful picture that's being presented,
And I always say, whoa slowdown. Your intuition is actually telling
you something is off. You don'tneed to wait for the evidence. You

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need to trust yourself. And soas we are adults, part of what
I teach is how can you standin your own spiritual authority? How can
you trust that your own wisdom that'scoming from you, or like I like
to teach, it's coming from thedivine? Can you trust that that is
the answer that you need? Andnot only is it for you, but

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it's a win win if it's comingfrom these higher realms, it will be
a win win for every single personVersus if you're in your ego state of
mind and you're protecting yourself and youhave to build your empire and you have
to do all of these things.The ego tends to look out for itself.
Your higher wisdom will always look outfor everyone involved. So it is
a skill you can develop. Definitely, Absolutely, there's so many things I

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want to dive into just based onwhat you said. The first thing that
comes to mind is in today's societyespecially and I'm a little bit of a
younger guy, i'd say, butregardless, so many people. They're constantly
stimulated, from social media, tothe phone, whatever it may be.
And it's just a skill, asyou said, of just understanding how to

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be bored and really craft into yourmind. How did you say that today's
society, with all of these differenttools that I like to describe it as
a double edge shorts because there's somany positives. We wouldn't be able to
be speaking like this today if itweren't for me. True, But in
the same sense, how do youfeel that this integration of all these new
technologies has hampered or or maybe improvedthese different items that we've been discussing.

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I'll give you a perfect example.My son's twenty five. He's a brilliant
artist. He's loved art ever sincehe was a little I mean he was
five years old. He was inthe kindergarten classroom drawing and he would cry
when the teacher would like erase oneof his little chalkboard drawings, or say
it's time to put things away andgo do this, he would cry.
So he's always been an artist.He's lucky in that aspect. But here

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he is putting all of this workinto art, and suddenly Ai comes along
and he's like, oh my god, something that just took me two weeks
to do if someone can do inminutes. And he's like, my whole
career path is gone. And Isaid, hold on, there is a
part of you that still is highlycreative. Not only that, I trained

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him to be intuitive, So Isaid, don't look at Ai, and
you got to know this and thisand this and this and this, trust
that you are always guided to whatyou need. And again it will benefit
everyone. And he just called melast week after some distressing months. I
mean, he feels devastated that hiscareer path has just been blow up.

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And he called me just a whileago and he said, Mom, you're
not going to believe this. Ijust went to this amazing talk all of
these you know, illustration designers togetherat the school called I think it was
Newman. Pardon me if I'm sayingthat wrong. Newman. I can't remember.
But he went to this talk.But on the way there he was
so upset because the traffic was bad. He was late. He missed the

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whole intro dinner where he thought hewas going to be networking and meeting some
of these great people. Well,he ran in late and as it turns
out they had some kind of araffle. He was probably the last raffle
ticket in and he could not believe. At the end of this super inspiring
talk, they said, Hey,by the way, we're going to give
away this very expensive, profound threeD program about how to you know,

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do these monsters and all of this. Who won? My son? And
he goes When they called my name, he goes, I almost knew that
I was going to win, butI knew I was. My whole art
career was being directed like whatever isin this three D program, it's for
me. Stop worrying about AI.Follow whatever this is about. And so

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he said it was such a deepknowing. But I've also trained him to
trust that so he could watch allthe news and freak out about it and
ah AI. But he's like,I just have to follow these little tiny
breadcrumbs that will lead me to thehighest level of creation possible. And so
that's you know, he's a perfectexample of that. Just wait a minute.

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Wow. Yeah, And I thinkthat whole story right there really shows
the importance of, as you said, the intuitiveness and having all of these
different skills, because regardless of whatever'sthrown it you you have the ability to
pivot, to adjust whatever it isexactly. And his story was so beautiful
because I had been in an AIscreenwriting class just a few weeks before and
we ended up with the people whowere in this room. It was phenomenal.

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I was thinking, like, howdid I get in this room?
We had that one of the formerheads of Pixar, he was responsible for
up and Toy story and NEMO,and like, did I how did I
get in this room with this man? And there was someone from Paramount,
and there was a director from Switzerland. But the guy from Pixar said his
whole career with Pixar was because hethrew some simple story telling class up north

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in California, and one of theother heads of Pixar happened to take the
class, thought he was incredible,invited him onto the team, and pretty
soon he's now working on these epicscripts. And so his advice to me
was, tell your son, justkeep going and follow the path, and
just follow that deep knowing your innerwisdom that you're on the rate trail.

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But it's like, it doesn't matterif that happened thirty years ago or it's
happening to my son. There isan energy that's always leading you to what
you really desire. It's the relentlessnessof joy. Joy will hunt you down,
it will chase you down, itwill tackle you and tell you aligne.
And that's that soul work that spiritualpsychology is really primarily concerned with.

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Okay, interesting, and obviously wecan continue going down this path, and
I want to circle back to it. But even rewinding to the very beginning,
obviously you're at uce I, you'redoing all these different things. You
have your son turns out he hasautism. What led you down this path?
That's a great question, why allof this? So I've always liked

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my son is the artist. I'vealways been a teacher at some level.
I actually started teacher training programs whenI was in high school, believe it
or not. And what happened wasI loved the teaching career I ended up
doing. I was a writing projectfellow at UC Irvine, which I loved,
did a lot of teacher training,and then at one point I was
a high school teacher over at BeverlyHills Unified, and I had my first

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son. Everything went the artist,everything went, you know, white picket
fence, every milestone hit, youknow, that kind of life. And
then my second son came along andhe was great up to eight months,
and then we had this massive turnof events which I won't go into,
but he was eventually diagnosed with autism. And what happened at that point is
all of the systems that were supposedto help, the medical, the school,

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like all of these systems I hadalways put my faith in, suddenly
none of them were working and theywere actually flipped against us. And as
a parent to you know, watchyour child going this is this. My
child is in extreme distress, likehe's physically uncomfortable. He stops talking.
It's like he can't hear me.And then you know, doctors are like,

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he's fine, don't worry about it. I'm like, he's not fine.
Talk about mother's intuition. It's likeand so I had to start like
fighting for answers for my child,and it got to the point where it
was so bad I really kind ofin my heart, I'm like, there's
got to be a better way.And that's actually when I started a spiritual

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path to like this huge like whocan help me? Because nothing in the
quote unquote physical world is helping menothing, and the schools are against me.
No one wants my kid. Ican't get funding. My husband and
I, we were my first husband, we were going broke on therapies.
All the money we had saved forour first starter home gone. So it's

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like our marriage is falling apart becausewe're so exhausted. We love our son,
but we're having to take turns takecare of him, and we had
no support, so our lot,everything felt like it was taken away.
And so I had to kind ofin a way leave the physical world that
had always supported me my entire lifeand just start looking for other answers.

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And it was like the moment thatI asked, there's got to be a
better way, these miraculous events startedhappening. Someone told me about an amazing
special ed attorney. Wow, shecame in and just rushed into our lives
and said, you need to gettreatment as soon as possible. The sooner
you can hunt kind of rewire hisbrain, the better. And then someone

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else called. They were calling frommy mom's club, but somehow we were
talking about both of our sons beingautistic, and she said, you need
to learn about this school called thehelp Group. By the way, tomorrow
night they're having a meeting. Youneed to go. I'll meet you there
and I'm like, great. Shenever showed up, but I was blown
away by the school. I knewto talk about the breadcrumbs. I'm like,
my son has to be in theschool. I know this. Never

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met this woman, never heard fromher again. I don't know if she
was an angel, was she real? I have no idea, but I
followed the path and with the specialed attorney, managed to get my son
into this incredible school. And fromthat point on I started it was almost
like I had evidence that miracles werehappening on our behalf. Even when my
son transferred a few years later intoa public school. His preschool teacher at

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the help Group she had three monthsoff before quitting the help Group and going
to get her PhD in autism research. And I was devastated because LAUSD couldn't
get an aid for my son intime. Going to start first grade with
no aid, I'm like, areyou kidding? He's gone from gates and
lockdown one on one aids and nowno one. And so they allowed me
to hire a private aid for awhile. I'm like, so, you've

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just had the teacher you've had forthe last couple of years, is now
your aid? Like what? SoI started building a bank of evidence that
proved to me something was happening onour behalf and I couldn't ignore it.
And that's really when my spiritual pathtook off. I really like that word

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that you just said, by theway, the bank of evidence, because
of evidence that's massive. There's athere's an entrepreneur that I really enjoy.
His name is Alex Heramosi and he, uh, he talks about a bunch
of different things because absolutely, affirmationsand all of these different things are important
to make sure that you have apositive mental frame of you, yourself and

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everything. But what he says isthat look, only by shouting affirmations in
the mirror, you aren't going toget there. And he says, what
you need to rather they do,is you need to have a stack of
undeniable proof of you say you arewho you say you are. And it
literally makes me think of that bankof evidence. Yeah, and you know,
this weekend's perfect example. Uh.You know a lot of the participants

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went through some deep, deep transformation. They had to let go of beliefs
they've had their entire life, andthey would look at me like, how
do you like you're so confident?How do you know? How do you
know these answers? How do youHow are you you not swayed when someone
comes after you or they challenge yourspiritual beliefs. And it's like the bank

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of evidence for me personally for whatI need is so massive. I can't
no one can really bump me frommy beliefs. While at the same time,
I always believe I have no ideawhat any event that's happening to me
in the in the physical realms,I'll call it. I always assume that

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there's some higher purpose, even ifit's painful. And I always assume I,
as an ego personality just me isnot as I know myself to be
or how or how the culture trainedme to be. There's always a part
of me that says, I actuallyhave no idea what this event or this
person in my life is for excepthelping me move closer to love, helping

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me trust my own intuition more,helping me not have blind faith, but
faith based on personal observation. That'swhat science is, It's observation. So
if I have a thousand, twothousand, three thousand examples of miracles working
in my life, absolutely one ina billion odds of things happening good luck

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bumping me off of what I knowI need to do. And again,
I always believe it's for the highergood of everyone. I don't need to
cheat everyone or anyone or go afteranything. I just know this is somehow
a win win, even if itmeans something painful like ending a marriage or
moving or whatever it is. IfI have that deep hit of this is

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what you need to do, pleasetrust it's for the highest good of everyone.
Eventually I will see this is whythis happened. Got it? I
was right. I followed those littlebreadcrumbs and I trusted that thank of evidence.
Yeah, that's true, And Iwant to dive deeper into the app
The part of this retreat what peoplego through before getting into that piece though.

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I'm curious. So obviously you startedgoing through all these different things,
you found this attorney that led youdown all of these different paths, and
then that kind of spiraled into youdiving deeper and deeper for people that whether
it be let's say a mother ora father of a child, with autism
or just really anyone, What arethe changes that came about with your son
after starting to go through all this, I mean, like what led and

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kind of what happened during that timeperiod. Ah, that was a great
question. So the biggest transformation forme was the second my son was diagnosed.
I went into hyper control. Ihad to fix this, I need
this, And it's like you gointo mama bear mode, like you'll do
anything for your child. So thecontrol went off the charts. That was

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the first thing. It was likebattle, battle, battle, But as
the miracles started happening, I noticedmyself relaxing, like I didn't have to
do anything, and this woman showedup to tell me which school to go
to. I didn't have to doanything, And I ended up with the
best one on one therapist to followmy son around his first couple of months
in public school, which, bythe way, is when they're really determining

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and testing what his IEP is goingto look like. So who's leading his
IEP? One of a woman who'sgoing in for a PhD on autism research,
that's the person in charge of myson. Are you kidding me?
I didn't put that at place thathappened naturally, So I went from control
to relax. Just relax and youneed will come to you. Even this,

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you know, meeting Allan that camethrough a neighbor and Alan and I
had a fantastic top and we bothhad chills talking like what's happening here?
Yeah, and now you're here andit's like, oh, this is a
whole different conversation as well, andso it's like I don't know where it's
going. I don't need to.I just trust something beautiful as unfolding.
That's it. That's it, keepit simple. Yeah, And you said

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something really great before. Regardless ofwhatever the situation is, you talk about
a marriage ending or this happening,that happening, It's like I don't get
it, Like why in the worldis this happening to me? But then
you have the understanding now of whereyou are, Like, regardless of whatever
event comes in my life, there'sa reason why this has happened. And
for me, even I'll speak frommy own experience, it's crazy because there

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have been so many times in mylife where a massive thing happens, this
person dies, or this event happensto me, and it's like I don't
understand why is this happening to me? And like in the beginning for you
have let's call train this muscle,it's like you just start getting I'll speak
for my own experience, I getmad, like why did you let this
happen? Or how did this happen? In everything? Yeah, but now

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it's basically what you're saying, Andwhat I've come to learn is it's that
mindset shift of Look, you maybedon't understand exactly why it's happening right now,
but there's a very specific reason whythis is happening, and it's for
the ultimate betterment and good. Couldyou expand a little bit more on that.
Yeah, Well, as you mentionedearlier, I teach the Course of
Miracles now in combination with spiritual psychology, and there's a line in the course

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of miracles which is I cannot perceiveor I do not perceive my own best
interests. So, if joy isalways chasing you down, or you call
it the divine, call it whateveryou want. If your own best interest
actually has to do with joy,and you are in a situation where you
have maybe really outgrown someone or youfeel silenced by someone in your life,

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that's not joy, that's pain andthat stuff, or if you have a
belief, for example, the rolesof parents, for example, mothers are
supposed to do this, Fathers aresupposed to do this, and if we
do it, if we don't dowhat the culture says that person is supposed
to do, we're deemed as badand wrong. Yet your intuition might be

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telling you I actually need to givemy child some space. I actually need
to trust that there's something higher thatis guiding them through their own process.
And if I keep intervening, wewill have a messy codependent relationship. I'll
be frustrated, they'll push back,and ultimately I'm denying them the opportunity to

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find their own way and stand intheir own spiritual strength. Yet if I
pull away, all these people aroundme are going to be panicked, like
you're not a good mother. Youneed to try harder, whatever it is.
So, for example, when Imoved to England a couple of years
ago to be with my second husband, my youngest was the sposed to come

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with us, but my father hadjust died and he's like, Mom,
it's too soon for me to go, and I'll visit first, and then
maybe the following year move with you, and my other two sons were ready
to go back to la and livewith their their dad and go on to
college. But I had to trustthat was that move for me, was
the was what I needed to doand it would somehow benefit my family in

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a powerful, profound way, andit did. Ultimately. It did it
well besides exposing my kids to atotally different way of life over in Europe.
The transformation that I experienced being ina country where it's I don't want
to say repressed, because there's certainlypeople who are more over you know,
or more are on this path ofawakening and they're curious. But there's a

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lot of people where, you know, being polite and not speaking your mind
and keeping your thoughts to yourself.I felt the contrast while I was there,
like, oh, it's such agift living in California, because truly
there's so many people seeking answers beyondthe textbook from their higher selves, and
in England I noticed that wasn't thecase. So I felt like I met

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so many people and I could bea light in certain ways, but I
really also moved into gratitude, likewow, I am really blessed to have
the life that I've lived, andcoming back to Newport, I would find
I would just go down the streetand if someone found out that I,
you know, studied spiritual psychology,they're like, what tell me more?

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I need this. There was alot of help me, help me,
help me, help me. It'slike, wow, what a difference,
you know. And meanwhile, Istill run retreats in England because there's a
lot of people who are just nowreally waking up to that. And I
felt like I was on the frontedge of that movement of people saying there's
got to be a better way.There's got to be a better way than
the stress we see on the newsand the TV. And absolutely I want

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to dive deeper into first of allthe retreats and everything, but then also
even the aspect of traveling and saidin the differences between cultures and everything like
that, it's curious to think about, as you were explaining that, like
familiar upbringing, whether it be you'reliving in born and raised in England,
or whether it be somewhere else,but even just like the culture of all
the different places that we've been into. So we're going to dive right back

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If you are just tuning in orstarting to watch us, we are here
with Joanne Menon and we're talking abouta lot of really great stuff from all
aspects of it and understanding the intuitionand everything that's needed in order to live
a life filled with more tranquility.So diving back into it one of the
big things I know, even beforethe show, we started talking about was,
you know, the traveling aspect andthe different perspectives and minds and everything

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like that. So we'll first justdive in to what you were talking about
right before we went to the commercialbreak. What do you believe are the
main differences between let's say California andthen over in England, and why are
they so much more closed off thaneverything like that? Would you say,
yeah, again, it's not everyoneby any means. I've definitely found some

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mighty companions there that are my dearestfriends now. But I think the difference
is you have this profound history,right there are worlds of you know,
the time periods when even in thecity that I lived in in Bath,
England, in the architecture you cansee the different time periods. There's Victorian,

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there's Georgian, you can see it. So there is a history that
is so deep within the people therewhere in California, the history, you
know, you go back a fewhundred years, but it's really indigenous cultures
that came before that ten thousand yearsand beyond and beyond, and so we've
lost some of that was with this, you know, we're really such a

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new society. So I think that'spart of it. A lot of people
who came to the West Coast,they were the dreamers. They were looking
for they were looking for a differentway, right, They were following their
to their intuition, and so theytraveled away from a culture that was very
defined and that you had these rulesthat you had to live by. So
I think that's really the main reasonthere's such a huge difference, you know,

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for me of what I witnessed,and then on the other side there's
other things that they're so far beyondus, you know, or or I
should say, where the United Statesis. It's the overall idea of taking
care of everyone in your community,and that is much more developed there.
I think in a lot of ways. You know, there's always different circumstances,

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and I have to say, whatyou see when you go someplace also
has to do with your internal frameof mind. If I'm expecting miracles to
happen in my life and I amopen to anyone that I meet, even
if I had a little scuffle onan airplane, for example, my immediate
reaction is, oh, why amI supposed to meet this person? Clearly
it's not to have a scuffle onan airplane. It's to stop, get

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centered and say is there a beautifulopportunity for me here? Like why did
I bump into this person? SoI tend to see things and meet beautiful
people when I'm out because that's kindof you know, the vibration, and
it's what I'm looking for. Ifyou're in your ego mind and you always
have to be on defense and protectyourself, you're going to see an entire

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culture from a different landscape than howI see things as well, for sure.
And I know we've talked about alot of these little different concepts from
you know, the intuition understanding,like that gut feeling that originally comes to
you, the ego mind, allthese different things, and I'm sure that's
stuff that you go over in yourretreats and helping people get to yah next
step of everything. So tell allthe listeners here what a little bit more

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about your retre It's what do yougo through and who is the ideal person
that you would like to have cometo these retreats. Well, I have
to say I can take anyone frombeginner to very advanced spiritual learner. Do
I prefer someone who's advanced in theirprocess, of course, because there's the
joy of miracles that are going tounfold very very quickly. But it really

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has nothing to do with whether you'rea beginner or you're advanced. What it
has to do with it's really whatis your level of willingness to change?
What is your level of determination tosee things differently? If you are suffering
and you're like, there has gotto be a better way, I am
determined to feel or find or youfind this new solution. If you are

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open to radical change, by allmeans, welcome in. And the basic
concept that I'm teaching is we havethis ego mind, which I've mentioned before
is always in protect it's the personalitythat you are. But what I'm asking
people to do is is identify anykind of suffering, depression, anxiety,

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and there's a whole host of things. Identify that suffering with your ego mind,
and what it is is your holymind or you know, your authentic
self, whatever you want to callthat, your whyse self. It's it's
like your red flag saying look overhere, look over here, look over
here. And when you move fromthat ego mind to recognizing something's off here,

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there's got to be a better way. You're calling in what I call
the holy instant, and that holyinstant is your moment where you're activating this
part of yourself that is just sowise. It's waiting to give you an
answer. And so if you canpause in that space and then start listening
for something, it could be thatlittle aha moment, or it could be

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a song on the radio suddenly tellingyou, you know, oh my gosh,
this relationship's over. Yikes. Whateverit is, you listen and then
you act. Can you act onthe guidance you've been given. When I
was told it was time to leaveEngland, it took me a year to
really follow that advice. I'm like, no, it's beautiful. I love

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it. I want to be hereforever. And I just kept hearing it's
time to go home, and Iwas like no, But then it became
more and more apparent it's time togo. When I finally listened and took
the action, even calling the internationalmovers I wanted to move in like two
months. I called them. They'relike, great, we'll be there to
pick up your stuff in three days. I'm like, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa three days. Ihaven't even packed, yet I can't do

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three days. They're like, oh, well, the next shipment isn't going
to leave for another six months,so it's either now or six months from
now. And I'm like, ohon, so I this meant ending for
me. This was ending a marriage, this was leaving England permanently. This
was huge. But I just knewpack it up right now, boom,
this is the curtain has closed.Do it? And so I. But

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it took me a long time toget to courage to act on what I
knew to do. And you'll hearthis from people who experience red flags and
relationships like I saw the red flagsfive years before I couldn't do it,
and they'll beat themselves up why didI waste all those years? But really,
what you were doing was building upthat bank of evidence in other ways

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until you could trust Okay, it'stime to go. It's time to go,
or it's time to really work hardand dig in. That can also
be it as well, but it'slike, ugh, you are actually given
guidance and what to do at alltimes. It's are you going to take
the action, Do you have thecourage to do that? And if not,
what is it that you need todo. Do you need to do
a little bit more of your spiritualwork. Do you need to read an

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inspirational book? Do you need tofind a teacher such as myself because you
just can't break through. You know, you just can't forgive someone, or
you know you just can't get yourcareer online. What is wrong? I'm
trying, I'm determined, and I'mstuck. That's where a coach comes in
to help you, you know,those breakthroughs. Yeah, and you touched
on a question that I had,because there's going to be people they go

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through specific scenarios situations in life whereit's like, like you said, I
should have ended it a year ago, or it took me a year once
I realized. And the question Ihad is at what point can the person
say, yeah, it's time togo or whatever it is. And I
know you touched upon you said thebank of evidence. How can people understand
what is that final point with thebank of evidence or whatever other item it

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may be that leads them like,yes, it's time for me to do
that rather than taking as you sharedan example, some people might wait five
years, ten years to do somethingthat they know they should have so what
would you say, is that impetus, that last little last straw will call
it. I mean, I hateto say it, but a lot of
times pain and suffering is the laststraw for people. And I know for
me it was. It was physicalsymptoms. So I was hearing what to

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do, but I was seeing thisbeautiful picture that I wanted to make it
work so desperately. But physical symptoms. I mean I was having some issues.
I was having back issues. Iwas up with nightmares at night.
I was actually hearing what I neededto do, that it was time to
go, and I was getting anhour or two of sleep, like anxiety
through the roof. I mean,my cortisol was probably through the roof.

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My hormones got out of whack,like I was a living zombie until I
finally said I need to go,and then this surge of energy really came
through that was like Okay, yep, you need to go. Boom and
it's like, oh suddenly I'm inCalifornia and I'm like, how did I
get here? Like that was fast, but I had to trust and everything

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started unfolding when I came here.So I first lived with a cousin for
a little bit, and then Iheard it's time to go look at Newport.
Within two hours I found my place. I now have this lovely view
out over Balboa Island and probably asfar as to where you are, you
know, it's like and down toHuntington Beach and Coronadrum. It's like wow,
everything started working on my behalf atthat point. But yeah, unfortunately

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sometimes that it's pain because even ifI had heard years before it was time
to go, I didn't. Mybank of evidence was not built up enough.
I didn't trust enough. I didn'tactually have the faith that I needed.
I didn't have the spiritual tools thatI needed. And part of leaving
was probably this eternal circle process Ideveloped, which is really just two circles

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defining the ego mind and the Holymind. But that process came to me
and then I started teaching, andthat's really where my confidence came from,
because I saw, like, wow, this process is really a gift for
people, and it was impacting everyone. So it was almost like I had
to begin teaching, and as Iwas teaching, I was believing more and

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more. I was creating my ownmiracles, and then when it was time
to go, I could finally doit. Not that it wasn't painful,
it still was, but the reliefon the other side was massive. It
was massive, absolutely, And I'msure, as you said, it's a
matter of building up that bank ofevidence, but also even having that intuition
understanding, let's call it strengthening thatmuscle. As it becomes more strengthened,

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you're able to better identify and doall that. And one thing that you
mentioned before is you can take anybodyfrom whether the beginner or whether they're advanced.
How would you define a beginner versusan advanced person within that? And
how can meet Let's say I havenever heard of this, how do I
understand where I land on that spectrum? That's a beautiful question. So I'll

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start with someone who is a beginner. They're typically very engaged in the physical
world. They're very engaged in Imean, my retirement plans. I have
to have a relationship that looks likethey're very involved with what the culture says
you should do to tick the greenboxes of the culture, right, So
they're trying to be the best personthey can, and that could even you
know, a lot of times you'llsee activists and things like that. We

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have to change this, and wehave to change that. Great, that's
fine. At some point they startgetting exhausted because they realize they can't change
the world around them. It isliterally it's like banging your head against the
wall. And they start saying this, I'm not any happier than I was
ten years ago trying to change everyonearound me. And if you think of
how hard it is to just changeyour own personal behaviors, and you want

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someone to change theirs, and youcan't even drink up water in the week,
like, are you kidding, You'rejust that's like guaranteed suffering. So
someone who is an advanced learner usuallya lot of times they've been the that
black sheep of the family. That'spretty typical, or there's something that they're
very different than the people they,you know, were kind of raised with.
Not always, but sometimes an advancedlearner has already kind of gone through

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the process of the physical world andall these rules are absolutely not working for
me, and they've started to seekanswers beyond themselves, and a very advanced
learner they just live in flow andthey meet the most beautiful people, They
end up in the most beautiful places. Everything just happens for them. It's
like they're pulled into life in thisunbelievable creative way. And I'll give you

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an example of a gal who wason my retreat and Olympic National Park last
year. She's an incredible healer andshe said, Joe, I'd be happy
to volunteer. And I said,you know what, this is your first
time. I don't want you tovolunteer unless you get that inner guidance because
someone on the retreat asked for,you know, to work with you.
That's okay, but then remember you'renot responsible for them for the rest of

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the retreat. You are on aretreat as a guest. Well, she
ended up doing quite a bit ofwork for me. She was an incredibly
safe She didn't buy into people's storiesabout victim so that's why she can do
this powerful work. She just tapsinto her intuition and she just kind of
knows what they need. But sheworked hard, and at the end of
the trip she laughed because she wenton this VIP experience with me as well

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for a couple of days, andshe laughed. She just happened to have
one clean dress left. Everything elsewe had dirty hiking clothes, mud covered,
sweaty, you know, all ofthis. She had one outfit left.
British Airways happens to call her askus. She would ask her if
she'd like a first a class upgradefor three hundred dollars on her way back
to England, and so she waslaughing. She's like, well, of
course I'll take that three hundred dollarsupgrade, Like that's a ten thousand dollar

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ticket. She had a lovely reston the way back. I think that
was Delta by the way that shewas flying. Maybe it was British Airways,
but anyway, she was just laughingbecause it was like those divine realms
were acknowledging her for only serving insmall ways, not overdoing it, not
being responsible for other people. Andnow you get to rest. Now you

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get to rest. And I hada similar experience the year before. Suddenly
everyone's gone and I'm in a cabinwhere I thought I'd be like watching TV
and relaxing, and I had noaccess to Wi Fi. I had nothing,
and I realized this is supposed tobe just a week of silence after
teaching for a week, and sothen I finally just wow, and so

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much came through I could see allthe beauty of the week. But that's
someone who's advanced. You understand thateverything's happening for you. And again,
even something as simple as when Iwas going back to England. At one
point, I'm literally like at laxand my husband calls and says, I
have COVID, Like are you kiddingme? And like, now where am

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I going to go to stay?At our friend's house? Like where am
I going to stay? And afriend happens to call and says, by
the way, I'm in Italy rightnow, and I said, I'd love
to be with you. My husbandhas COVID, I don't know where I'm
going to stay, and she's like, drop your bags at Heathrow. Come.
I ended up being pampered for twoweeks in a Tuscan village like village,
all of my needs taken care of. If I put one pair of

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pants on the ground, I turnaround and they'd be washed and fulded an
hour later. In private chefs,I'm like, what's happening right now?
But I'm like, I will happilygo. So it's like I know that
I'm always being taken care of forthe highest level of joy, peace,
tranquility, and connecting with people whoare my mighty companions who also are on
these higher levels of thought. Andit's just philosophy, be it's you know,

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it's not for everyone, but it'sfor me and it's for the people
I meet with. Absolutely, I'msure we could probably continue talking for another
couple hours about all that we could. We'll do that later. Let's do
that later exactly, And so Iknow, we got to start wrapping up
here. But one thing I dowant to make sure that everyone that's listening
if they want to, you know, get more involved with you or start,

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you know, starting to go throughthis process. The two questions I
have for you. Number one,someone that comes to one of your retreats
or goes to one of your classes, what can they expect to when they
come in versus when they come out? What change could they see within themselves?
Number one? And then number two, how could they actually get in
contact with you in order to possiblystart working with you? Yeah, well,
for starters, you can go tomy website which is Joannemenan dot com.

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So that's just you know, whereyou can find my information. But
if someone wants to come to thetreat what they can expect. I do
teach the course of miracles. Ido teach spiritual psychology. I do also
teach what I call now the eternalCircle process. But they can expect a
level of what are the core conceptsof the course of miracles, And so
it's I tend to be someone whoworks well with the visual learners. So

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it's a lot of diagramming, alot of journaling, and then what we
really do is move into guided meditationsso people start to hear their own answers.
And so, for example, weworked a lot with people that we
struggle with on this last retreat.Who are those people? And then we
tapped into that higher wisdom, notme telling them what to do with those

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people, but what is it?What do you need to do with each
of those those people in your life? And some people heard, wow,
I need to back off and stoppressuring them. And other people were like,
wow, I ran to that personand just embraced them in such a
loving way. But we all hearddifferent things. So what someone on my
retreat can expect is that their connectionto their intuition is going to be through

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the roof. They're going to havesolid tools, whether it's from spiritual psychology,
and it has to do with reframing, you know, life circumstances or
just learning a new philosophy. It'salmost like a third weight of you.
You know, it's like a thirdworld new It's like a new way to
look at the world completely that everythingis there to bring you joy, and

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if it's not joyful, you're off. That's it. How do you get
back on? It's trusting yourself,really, and I'm here to hold space
and I will absolutely believe one hundredpercent that you will find your answer.
And I don't know it, butI trust you will find it. That's
what people can expect. And thelevel of communion and synchronicities that happen.

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I could give you a thousand examplesof mind blowing things that happened this last
weekend of people who needed to beseen by someone just like them because their
fathers both passed away, or theyboth were the black sheep of their family
and they connected in this powerful way. There's so much magic that happens and
so many synchronicities. That's what youcan expect. You will have life long

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friends for sure coming to one ofthese retreats. Awesome. Well, yeah,
I can tell you it's been anawesome time chatting back and forth and
we appreciate it to share all ofthis, and we'll obviously once again everyone,
if you'd like to get in touchwith Joanne, go ahead and hop
over to her website and Joanne,I'm sure we'll me and you will be
in touch as well. We surewe'll continue on the conversation with Alan as

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well. Absolutely. Okay, awesome, Thank you very much, thank you,
thank you, okay awesome, everyone, Thank you again for tuning in.
Once again. If you would liketo get connected with Joanne, please
make sure to go ahead and reachout to her via her website. Next
week, we are going to behaving Neil Donald Walsh onto the show and
he's going to be talking to usabout God Talk, So if you're interested

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in learning more about that, pleasemake sure to tune in. Hope you
guys have an amazing rest of yourday, amazing rest of your week,
and once again you have been watchingAnswers now this brand new dayDay. Thank

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