September 9, 2025 • 33 mins
Extreme metal trailblazers SOULFLY deliver their 13th album "CHAMA" on October 24th. Max Cavalera returns to talk the new record, making music with his sons, Christmas dinner at Ozzy's house, defense of an aging Axl Rose, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're gonna get old. You know, you're never going you know, like, dude,
it happens to everybody, all of us. You know, most
of U's gonna get old.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion, Episode number five
hundred and twenty nine. My name is Branda. Welcome back
to the podcast. Mister Max Cavalia. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Doing? Great? Man? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm doing well. We were just briefly talking off the air,
and I never assume anybody remembers me, but the fact
that you do, and you knew that it was. It's
your third time on the podcast, it's very cool. So
I'm honored to have you you back and I'm excited
to talk to you again because you're always super nice.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
First time with the Bears hat.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We're gonna get to that. We're gonna kick that off.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It's all perfect secondary here, man, let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I know I did it. Sometimes I will strategically wear
things and see if my guest picks up on it.
But you did.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'll be right back. I'm gonna go put my line
short on.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh okay, I mean, so I was I am officially
a Giants fan because we didn't speak about this last time,
and this is exactly the way I wanted to start
off the interview. By the way, we're going to get
to the new album, Shaman and a lot of other things.
But as we're recording this, the NFL season kicks off
tonight and my fantasy football team, the November Payne, is
(01:21):
going to defend its championship. But I just want to
say quickly, I'm wearing a Bears twenty seventeen Division championship
back because my wife is from Chicago. She got it
for me as a gift. They're like my de facto second,
you know team. But I got to say to your Lions,
I got to thank you because I said November Payne
(01:42):
my fantasy team name. I gotta thank because last year
I had your two running backs, Gibbs and Montgomery.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You'll kill that. You'll kill that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
All year. I didn't know who to draft, so I
just had like my draft of course, and I was like,
who do I Who's gonna win the job? And ended
up keeping them both all year because they were so good.
And thank you to your Lions for helping me win
my fantasy draft.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Gibbs. In the end of the season, it was it
was out of control. Yeah, you know that was out
of control. Yeah, it's cool. I also have a fantasy
team and my I have Gibbs on it. So my
team's called Dirty Gibbs Done Dirt Cheap. I like that
only for fans, A get. I think a lot of
(02:26):
other football people are like, what the.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Fun Well, November Payne.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know that's great, That's a great one.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, so I know, shout out to you because I'm
in it with some other G and R people Geane,
R Central and Guns and Radio. But yeah, I was
gonna ask you because I know you don't have a
cell phone. So you have a fantasy team that you're
how long you've been doing that?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
This is our fourth year and then we end up
doing this. This year's first year that we we actually
got to. I got true fantasy. We have one that's
kind of like our some of the crew guys, uh
mixed with some of my kids. And then we have
a family one which is only family. And I actually
(03:07):
got my wife Gloria. She never played fantasy. She doesn't
know nothing about it. Bro Ever, I was like helping
her with the draft.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It was the draft like five kickers or something.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
He was like, I'm gonna pick Patrick Mahomes first, first
first pick of the I was like, no, don't do that.
A couple of rounds, you know, it was like it
was so funny, dude, it was good.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That is great. I used to be in multiple but
now I can't handle it. But no, I love the
fact that your your team name, uh say it again,
dirty Gibbs Done Dirty. Like how do you say your
team name dirty gives done dirt?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Jyp Yeah, Dirty Gibbs Done Dirty.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh, brilliant to think about.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know the song you.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Know, dirty Gives down Dirt yea, all fits in the Okay?
Great awesome. So in addition to just clever fantasy team names,
I'm glad I asked you again off the air and
how to pronounce the new album, which I'll say correctly.
First Shama because my Hebrew side of me I was like,
is it ahma? I go to how do I pronounce
(04:08):
this is shama? So I wasn't familiar with the words.
So for those of you, but most of us who
wasn't familiar, what does shama mean?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Shama is is means two things in Portuguese mainly means
flame fire, flame, you know, and also means calling somebody.
If you're calling, if you're calling somebody to fight, you go, Shama,
let's go, you know, means kind of like so it's
(04:36):
both and also can be calling an ancestor a spirit.
You can be calling a spirit, so it's it's kind
of like a slang name, you know, almost like it
could be like a slang. I think that the Shama
side of calling somebody is more like a slang. But
I think if you go in a dictionary, it will
be flame. That's the original title, and I think the
(04:58):
record is pretty much uh fused by flame. You know.
The covert has got a lot of flame in it.
The music has got a lot of fire, a lot
of passion, so it's full of flames on on this one.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's it's so cool and I love always you guys
have a deeper meaning to everything. So Shama. You can
get it now for for pre order. Uh. The new
album Soul Fly and one of the the the the
the album the song titles rather that caught me. We're
all like clever names. I like this little natural progression
we're making when the tracks black Holes come, I love
(05:36):
that that just just album, just tight inspired or anything
from sound Garden in there as well.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I love sound Garden, but I also love dark humor. Yeah,
this one is a bit dark humor mixing kind of
sound Garden and Napalm Death actually because nap had an
album called Scum and so we did. We did the
song called you know, black Holes come. Of course, it's
(06:03):
all in good, good spirits, you know, I'm not I'm
not at all hating. In fact, it is the opposite.
I love that, like I said, you know, but it
just kind of felt like kind of a cool name.
I did the one before a couple of years ago
there was a soulfly song called the Song Remains Insane
(06:27):
and that was totally on on the ripping on led Zeppelin,
which is an a band that I love, you know,
and I kind of love when like, it's a bit
like the football fantasy name things. You know, if you
can be creative and add to it and make something
cool out of it, you know, yeah, do it, man,
it's kind of cool. And that's so this one has that.
(06:48):
There's many of the other things on the record that
There's another song called always Will Always Was, Always Will Be,
and that's an Aboriginal saying. That's very traditional Australian, like
all the people from Australia, they love this, they love
this sentence they use for everything Aboriginal. So the acer
(07:08):
has a lot of references to Aboriginal stuff, tribal stuff,
South American tribes, and the cover of course is Native American.
You know, it's it's a very It's an Apache cruel
ritual done in Nava Holend. So I love all that,
all that tribal that few soul flight.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's all back on this record, yeah, right on which
comes out. I don't think I said it before. October
twenty fourth, Shama and your son is on this record.
He continues to be Zion. You know I told you before.
Now I get to do a my son free episode.
I was telling you how Glenn my son interrupted a
(07:51):
Glenn Hughes interview a couple episodes ago, and now he's
out with the babysitter. But I mean, your son's like
it's been a while for you. He's in his thirty
you have grandkids and stuff like that. I mean, does
it still dawn on you? Like how do you how
does it feel like you're in a band with your son?
Like me, I kind of just think in the future,
will he joined me on the radio, all these things.
(08:12):
But it's got to be extra special for you to
create music, new music, but also with your family.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Now it's a it's really kind of like a dream
more than anything else. Like it's you know, like when
you when when they first born, you you kind of
like wish those things in your head, you like, we
I hope they grow up and they'll be musicians and
we can jam together. It'll be so cool, you know,
like just to just to share the passion that I
(08:39):
have for these music with them, you know, with your blood,
you know, and actually be proud of them being musicians.
And I don't mean there was any other way that
they're gonna turn out like something else, because when they
were born, Zion is actually his heartbeat opens Chaos a
d sepultaey KOs a D record, so his hardby before
he was when he was inside his moms Lly, He's
(09:00):
already opened a metal record. And then I remember doing
like oz Fest two thousands, and they sleeping on guitar cases,
both of them, Zion and Igor and Azzy singing in
the background, going growing crazy and they're sleeping on the
guitar cases and I'm like sitting right by them, you know,
(09:21):
they got the blankets, the pillows, and I'm watching Auzzy
and I'm looking at them and they're sleeping, and I'm like,
what a fucking moment, you know, what a what a
cool moment for a dad. And then you fast forward
that you're now I'm in a studio with them making
the record, creating the music together. It's definitely an incredible journey.
(09:43):
And so they were grooming this life, you know, like
they were part of this lifestyle forever, traveling with us
throughout the world, watching me perform in front of thousands
of people every night, meeting other musicians, you know. And
(10:03):
it's cool that I think now they appreciate actually them
more than before. I think before they were too young
to actually know. Because I was even talking to Zion
the other day, I said, we're gonna go see Pantera tonight.
They were here last week. You know, there's a picture
me and you when you're two years old, and uh,
(10:28):
he was he was actually holding you, you know, uh,
and you're two years old, and it's an awesome picture.
So we're gonna go watch them tonight, you know. So
you know a few from thirty years ago, you know, so,
and and then Gloria was even joking, yeah, let's recreate
that picture.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I was just about to say, let's again.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
You pick you up, like, no, don't do that, don't
do that, you know. But yeah, it's it's really cool, man,
Like this is us knowing a lot of musicians are
are house is always full of people, are always full
of music. So yeah, it's kind of we created like
a metal family that I'm very proud of it. And
now watching the actually becoming really good at their craft.
(11:12):
Zion is an amazing drummer, Igor is a multi talent
guitar player, bass player, writes Stephen King novels. So it's
so cool to see them be inspired by the music,
you know, because they remind me of me when I
was young, because I was very inspired by the music.
Get to watch them feel the same way as I
(11:35):
was when I was young. You knows, it's cool. Hopefully
you get your experience that with your kid.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I hope. So, I mean that's I'm looking through. I
had the kind of I've been having it. I'm sorry,
my listeners. I can't help it. I'm becoming the cliche dad.
But I love bonding with rock stars about kids and
having these kinds of conversations because it's my first. I mean,
I'm going to be forty two in a couple of days,
probably going to be my last. My wife is already
forty two, but I mean we're already thinking about Yeah,
(12:04):
we're living through people your stories about like, oh, he's
growing up so fast, but there's so much cool things
to happen. There's so many cool things to happen and
to bond overall. So they hear things like that puts
it in perspective where I'm like, ah, I want because
he's too. As you mentioned, your son was too in
the original picture with phil on Semo, he's too. But
(12:25):
I'm like, oh, I wish you could stay two forever,
but they're gonna grow up and who knows. Yeah, well
your son's in a band with you. Who knows? He
could be appetite for distortion. See going back to before
with the play on name change and words, that's what
you're talking to, appetite for distortion. One day he'll be
sitting here. Who knows or if he hates radio, and
(12:45):
I'm not going to force him into it either.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, Yeah, that's the key, I think the key is
not to force it. But if you can't steer the boat,
you go in that direction, like do it. You know.
Also the other thing I toat you kind of like
past to them sometimes, like really enjoy the cool moments, man,
because they're rare, you know, and don't get don't take
(13:09):
it for granted. Like sometimes like having an awesome moment
when you make this killer song in a studio where
everybody get has the goose bumps and you know this
song is going to be a banger, you know before
anybody has heard, but you just made it right there
on a spot I was telling I was telling Zion,
(13:29):
like those are the great moments that you have to
really enjoy it. You know, they're cool, they're rare, you know.
It's it's it's hard to be inspired after after you've
done so much, so many things in the world. It's
harder and harder to be inspired. But once if you
find that inspiration and you can manifest into real, into
(13:52):
something real, enjoy that moment you know that which is
which is uh? Which is really cool? You know? And
and and it's Cookasign's is more a little bit more
traditional as far as the tasty music. He likes more
Black Sabbath, you know, guns n' Roses, A C. D C.
(14:14):
Theft Stones. Laterly he's been coming out and listening to
a little bit harder stuff like body Box and stuff,
but mostly of his playlist has always been real classic,
real classic rock, you know, which is really cool. I
love that. I love that he has this passion for
really good hard rock, you know, because that's the foundation
(14:36):
of of of the music that we play. It's it's
always funded in hard rock. He all came out of
rock and roll. No matter what what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It could not have started out that, you know, that extreme.
It's like it just wouldn't happen. It has to come
from some sort of foundations.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Everybody, no matter how hard or extreme, you can trace
the roots. It goes back to rock and roll. It
goes back to Elvis Presley, you know, you can't, you know,
like Jerry le Lewis playing the piano with his feet,
you know, that's that's that's where where the ship started
and you can avoid it. That's great, like to have
(15:13):
that knowledge and knowing that music. But yeah, I love
I love sharing that with him because I'm I'm a
big hard rock fan myself. And sometimes we're driving to
the to the jam pad to jam and we just
play records that we like, you know, the other the
other day we play Sabbath, you know, jamming Sabotage, you know.
(15:34):
After Ossie passing, it was kind of cool. It was
like a cool moment, you know, sharing that with him.
So it's it's it's cool sharing the music and the
knowledge through year kid because like or not your kid,
he's a band member as well, you know, so I
them like I talked to them more like like a
band member than a kid. You know. It's like my
(15:55):
relationship is more like like I have with a band member,
the less than a father.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
When i'm it's like I can fire you and ground you.
Don't forget that at the.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Same time, Yeah, I have. I have the power of both.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I love that. While we're dancing around, I mean talking
about Ozzi, I mean, my goodness, I mean I only
have the opportunity. I saw him once, said at oz
Fast twenty years ago. Lucky to see him once. Uh
you know, I watched the tribute live read that so
many million millions of people did around the world. Did
(16:32):
you watch that? And also can you talk about because
obviously you played Oz fast, maybe some personal some other
personal Ozzy experiences other than what you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it was it was real sad,
but at the same time, I just tried to treasure
all the good memories I had with him, which were many,
all the way back from Sepultora opening the last Black
Saber shows with Alison Chains. You know, we played the
first one and and we got invited to a bunch
(17:03):
of oz fests in ninety eight, two thousand and even
the beginning of Soulfly. Actually, like I remember, like before
I had any music, before I even had a band,
I was having a we were having a Christmas dinner
in England at Oz's house and just shooting the ship
with him. I just you know, he knew that I
(17:24):
quit Sepultura, I know. And it's like it's up to
you to get back on your feet, go get what yours.
What's yours? You know, like go fight for what you believe. Dude,
if you were to tell a teenage Max Caroleras, He's
gonna tell you like it's you know, it's up to
you to go make a new band, Like yeah, I'll
be like get out of here. You're out of your mind,
you know. That was that was such a cool moment
(17:46):
to to to share that. So all of that was
it was It was amazing, man, to experience, you know,
even to see how their family in our family through
those tours were really cool and Conne Gloria was big,
big friends with Sharon and their kids play with our kids.
(18:08):
Was was really cool. And yeah, it was it was
definitely it was a sad day. But I also at
the same time, I was like really proud of the
amount of love that he received, you know, which was
like overwhelming, you know, like what a like I remember,
you know, the passing of Deal and Lemmy and it
(18:28):
was not like that. When Ozzie died, it was like
a thunderbolt hit the world, you know, it was it was,
it was. It was big, man. It made it made
some big, big waves. It was crazy. And I think
I don't know if he knew, but how much he
was loved. You know, he was very loved in the
(18:49):
world from by by everybody, you know, all kinds of
all walks of live. The people that knew him and
the people that didn't, they all love him. Man. You know.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was cool, that's true, and Uh, you don't need
to respond to this one except for Roger Waters, who
is a coward who needs to can totally talk about
people after they're dead. I don't know if you heard
what Roger Water said about Ozzie No, oh the paraphrase.
He just thought he what he did was stupidity on
the air and then get what he did or didn't
(19:20):
understand what Sabbath did. Just didn't get you. Roger Water's
way just really dismissive of Ozzie and was even brought
up like by the interviewer. Roger just brought up by himself.
Sorry because that just as we're recording this.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, we're just sad to hear another musician saying that,
you know, like we don't need any of that. Man.
You know, it's like the more, the more the older
I get, the more I think like I don't have
time for negativity and I don't have time to talk
spend my life talking about other people. I rather celebrate
(19:53):
my life with other people. I rather, you know, have
fun with people, enjoy you know, enjoy life, share my
music with other musicians. And uh, and if I don't
like something that's I stay away from it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You know, That is what kind of drives me crazy
about the Internet and social media, the amount of idiots
that go there to talk shit about you. It's like, dude,
you don't like this music, stay away from it. Don't
go fucking talk shit. You know, like what, what's what's
the point of your ship talking like you're just making
(20:29):
an as of yourself. You know, it's it's sad man,
it's it's it's it's fucked up. The society has that,
but it's.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Part of you know, it's a waste of time. And
I don't know what it is about the human creature
because I've been not so not on this podcast because
I'm very conscious of it. But when I was younger,
and maybe when the Internet was new, you talk trash
about like a celebrity and like, oh this person, I
don't like this music. I don't do that. Now as
we get older, it's like, what are you doing? It's
(20:56):
it's a waste of time. So I guess to kind
of tie everything in together about how the internet is.
And Uh and Aussie were talking about the final show
Guns and Roses, just so people, Uh people know. First
time Max was on, we spoke about the time you
went clubbing with Matt Storm and Billy Idle, I believe,
(21:17):
and you guys weren't allowed in. That was that was
a fun story.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was cool. That was the little
Rock and Reo we played together in Brazil and yeah,
just that was That was so funny, Like we're in
in the just club hopping, trying to get into a
bunch of clubs and we there's me, Matt and Billie
(21:41):
Idol and they're not letting us in. You know. That
was like so crazy to think that why you're not
letting these guys like you know that this is fucking crazy, not.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Just Max and Matt. But you don't do that to
Billy Idol.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Come on, right, that's you know that, Come on, you're
crossing the line, uh Man. And and talking about like
first records, right, I think we thought we touched a
little bit on that, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Talking about Rock and Rio the Destruction.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
What a banger for a first record? You know, like
that's that's like lightning in a bottle, brother, Like you
know that shit just doesn't happen. You know, It's cool,
it's and the effect that has through the years, Man,
so many people still love that music. You know and
again I go back again. My wife showed me the
(22:34):
other day, was there's some people, you know, ship talking
Axle and it's like, come on, man, fuck you all.
You know, it's such bullshit. Leave the guy alone. You know,
he's you know, you know, because I had a little
bit of that, you know, like you have a little bit,
you know, you gain a couple of pounds and people
gotta talk shit about your weight. What is this? We're
(22:56):
like models, you know, like we were like Olga models
over like rock and rollers. It was never about the
fucking weight. Who gives a fuck what somebody waits? You know.
It's about the music, man, It's about what they play.
So it's about what you like in the music, you know.
So yeah, I fucking yeah I heard that and I
was like totally like again, I was like, fuck this ship,
(23:19):
Like fuck, this is just cowards. You know. I never
got to to to meet Axel, but uh, I'm sure
we'll hit it off pretty good. I kind of heard
that some of his assistants are Brazilian.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, he's surrounded about you guys will get along. Not
that I know Axel, but yeah, he's called brazil. Yeah,
I'm sorry, I cut you off there, but he's run
by Team Brazil What's what's called?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And that's that's so cool. That is so cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Like a long lost family. From what I understand that
his the family I mean aside from his brother and sister,
but like his dad. You know, his dad and stepdad
were terrible than him. And you know his mother wasn't
his there firm as much as she should have been. Uh.
So it's like a family he's growing up with. And
uh it is very cool to see whenever you see
them mountain about now, So that that you you picked
(24:09):
up exactly what I was trying to push you toward. Uh,
what people say about Axel, and it's one thing from
I try to do it from I know I'm biased
to a degree, but at the same time, I'm I'm
not as sick of a fan. I'm not, you know,
like a teenager who doesn't accept reality. But when you're
talking about the guy who put out that Lightning in
a bottle record in nineteen eighty seven, and you're gonna
(24:32):
shot on him now as a coward and your hey,
I guess what he sounds like or what you think
he looks like. It's free he has to be skinny
enough for you. What do you want to date him? Like?
You know what I mean. It's just so it's like.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Like what you're not You're never gonna get old? You know,
you're never going you know, like, dude, it happens to everybody,
all of us. You know, most of U's gonna get old,
and you're not gonna.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Be this lucky to get old.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, you're lucky. Man. I fucking wear that she we pried,
like the white hair and you know, and the stitches
those are like, you know, I take I take pride
on that. It took a long time to get that,
you know. But yeah, man, I you know what I
love is uh uh the the show that uh I forgot?
(25:21):
The bass player what's his name? Yeah, Douff has a
killer show on on on the satellite radio.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
It does three Chords in the Truth with his with
wife Susan. He's been Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I love listening to that man because he plays some
cool ship, some really cool rock. Man. I was like,
and I listened to a lot of Ozzy's Bonyard anyway,
because that's like one of my favorite channels between that
and liquid metal. You know, I'm biased to liquid metal
because they play my ship.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
But oh yeahs radio it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Is just just good rock, just good hard rock, heavy metal,
and you can't go wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
You know, you're gonna laugh. And I think some of
my listeners know long my career, my twenty four year
radio career, just trying to be full time and do
what I'm doing now pretty much talking to rock stars
like you. I worked for Serious ExM just for a year,
but to get my foot in nothing is beneath me.
I worked for a year for the Catholic Channel, and
(26:22):
I told you how I pronounced it. I thought I
pronounced your record at first Shama. I thought because my
Hebrew nature Hama. So I was I was a Jew
working for the Catholic Channel, but I didn't care. Radio
is radio. But here I am going to talk to
Max Cavalier for the third time. And look, as soon
as I saw your name, man, I was like, I
love talking to him. Man, it's an honor. So I
was happy to talk with you.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, it's the that's a little tricky that people don't
know what the what the pronunciation of this.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So I'm dumb. I mean, you never know because you
know what it's crazy because he was talking about tell
me what your grandkids trying to teach English and be
all teachers. Brazilian is probably it's it's Portuguese. Easy languages.
I feel like English there are just words that are
just certain, Like how do I explain this to a
two year old because he's like see is for cookie,
but see is also for chair and he's like trying
(27:10):
to compute that into his brain. Like.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So one of my one of my favorite memories is actually,
since you mentioned that, it was actually playing playing in
Israel with Ozzy. We played Soul Fly, Corn and Aussy
in Tel Aviv twenty thousand people. Man, it was incredible,
it was It was such a good show. Uh. And
then I did a video there too, for a sepultory territory.
(27:34):
We did a get real style, just had one camera
guy following us. We weren't really allowed to film a
lot in in Jerusalem, but we did it anyway. We
just had a guy with a backpack and a camera
and yeah, we're there for like three days and it
came out. Yeah, it came out really cool. Man. I
(27:55):
loved I loved the vibe of the video just in general.
I just loved that I got. I had the chance
to be in countries like that, you know, got to
experience a little bit. It's one of the coolest things
about this job to me is actually the traveling aspect.
You know, I've been to like eighty five countries now
and that's like it's so awesome because you know, growing
(28:18):
up in Brazil, like there were some countries that I
only I only saw in maps, you know. Yeah, yeah,
like like you know you're gonna go to Tasmania, Like
you only see that ship on the map. You know.
You never think you're actually gonna go to Tasmania, you know,
but yeah, it's it's it's one of the coolest things
(28:38):
about this job is the traveling and you get to
meet the fans and the culture and you experience the
culture of the people of the of that part of
the world, and it's really really awesome, you know, really
really cool. And going back to the show. Much of
the name of the record, if you're interested on it,
it's actually from a us SEE fighter named Alex Spereta.
(29:03):
He's like one of the number number one, number two
guy right now fighting. He's Brazilian and his walk out
music is one of my songs from my record Roots.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So he comes out with that, you know. And when
I saw the first time, I had the goose bumps.
I was like, holy shit, he's using a song from
my album Roots. That's that's insane, you know, and he
uses all the time. That's his favorite walkout music, Like
Joe Rogan loves it, you know, you know why he
loves the song. And I was so inspired by that
(29:39):
combination of sports, fighting, tribal knowledge. I was like, I
got an you know. He had a theme that he
said all the time. He said Shama all the time.
And I'm watching these videos and he's going shave a
shove a and I was like, I gotta call my
record Shama. Man, this is too cool. So he actually
(30:00):
im from Alex you know. Also it's all right on. Yeah,
it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And I wouldn't I would be doing my own uh
fandom of the service because I'm more of a w
W guy. It's just the way I've always grown up.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I mean, uf, all the guys in my in the
band are huge w W fans.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So then they probably tell you they've told you with
the whole tribal probably chief you got to write a
song for like Roman reigns or I mean it's there.
I don't know, that's that's the way I was thinking.
With all the tribal you gotta write, get some songs
in w W.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
W needs some tribal ships. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, it's they're always talking about the tribes and like
you know, my with my my family tribe, all that stuff,
with all the they're not Brazilian, they're Samoan. But I mean,
I don't know that's cool.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I know that the guys watched them all the time,
my guitar players specifically him and my and my crew
guy Monday night having to have.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The fight Monday night raw.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, holy ship. They they will miss soundtrack. They would,
they would it was up to them. They will miss
a show to watch that.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
They actually tie everything crazy. That's fun. I'm not like
that type of thing. They get the shirt you're wearing. Slayer.
They're doing a show not too far from me in
Pennsylvania where Damian Priest the Wrestler is introducing them because
Kerry King does his theme music.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh we're gonna we're playing that show.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Oh okay, I brought that up on purpose then, So
right Onlera.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Cavolera is going to be there doing KOs A D.
So that's that's cool. I'll keep an eye for it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Man, I want to interview Damian Priest. You should meet him.
He's a New York guy, so, I mean, you know
he's cool if he's from New York. Yeah, yeah, that's
just not Chicago, right.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's Hershey right, Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah yeah, I saw. I saw guns and roses there,
so to tie everything in together. So yeah, we're.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Very we're very excited for that. That's like the beginning
of our tour. We have a whole month's or KOs
a D tour that goes comes across the US. We're
going to Dallas.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
We actually have we have a show in New York
with like a festival with Sunny Suga Bob, we have
a show with Lamb of God. We're doing Aftershock Festival.
A lot of cool stuff, and then hopefully next year
so Fly can pick it up since the album's coming
out in October. You know, I don't know if you're
gonna tour this year with so Fly, but for sure
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next year, especially with this record, you know, well.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Keeping busy regardless. This was awesome Max, Well, good luck
with your your lions like it's it's yeah, I'm sorry again.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I was just I think the Giant's gonna be all
right you I'm telling you they're gonna be okay. They're
gonna be better than people think.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
We'll see. It's all depends on mister unlimited Russell Wilson
to see how he does.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I like I like Dark better.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Actually that's probably I'm sure that's the plan to get
him in there next time. We'll see how our team
artists fire.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Even the name like some dart. Are you kidding me?
That's like a that's a pretty pre fabricated name for NFL.
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I'm just glad they got the I've already got his name.
The other guy out of there just was not not working.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Daniel Daniels, Daniel Daniel Jones say it's his name is Edworth.
Other than Eli, it's just Danny Knell. There's all these
long lists of giants, you know whatever. We will save
the real football talk for another podcast, Appetite for Football.
Appreciate your thanks, Max. So that does it for this
episode of Appetite for Distortion. When will you see the
next one? In the words of Axel Rose concerning Chinese democracy,
(33:40):
I don't know as soon as the word, but you'll see.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It thanks to the lame ass security. I'm going home.
We're gonna get old. You know, you're never going you know, like, dude,
it happens to everybody, all of us. You know, most
of U's gonna get old.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to the podcast Appetite for Distortion, Episode number five
hundred and twenty nine. My name is Branda. Welcome back
to the podcast. Mister Max Cavalia. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Doing? Great? Man? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm doing well. We were just briefly talking off the air,
and I never assume anybody remembers me, but the fact
that you do, and you knew that it was. It's
your third time on the podcast, it's very cool. So
I'm honored to have you you back and I'm excited
to talk to you again because you're always super nice.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
First time with the Bears hat.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We're gonna get to that. We're gonna kick that off.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It's all perfect secondary here, man, let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I know I did it. Sometimes I will strategically wear
things and see if my guest picks up on it.
But you did.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'll be right back. I'm gonna go put my line
short on.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh okay, I mean, so I was I am officially
a Giants fan because we didn't speak about this last time,
and this is exactly the way I wanted to start
off the interview. By the way, we're going to get
to the new album, Shaman and a lot of other things.
But as we're recording this, the NFL season kicks off
tonight and my fantasy football team, the November Payne, is
(01:21):
going to defend its championship. But I just want to
say quickly, I'm wearing a Bears twenty seventeen Division championship
back because my wife is from Chicago. She got it
for me as a gift. They're like my de facto second,
you know team. But I got to say to your Lions,
I got to thank you because I said November Payne
(01:42):
my fantasy team name. I gotta thank because last year
I had your two running backs, Gibbs and Montgomery.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You'll kill that. You'll kill that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
All year. I didn't know who to draft, so I
just had like my draft of course, and I was like,
who do I Who's gonna win the job? And ended
up keeping them both all year because they were so good.
And thank you to your Lions for helping me win
my fantasy draft.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Gibbs. In the end of the season, it was it
was out of control. Yeah, you know that was out
of control. Yeah, it's cool. I also have a fantasy
team and my I have Gibbs on it. So my
team's called Dirty Gibbs Done Dirt Cheap. I like that
only for fans, A get. I think a lot of
(02:26):
other football people are like, what the.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Fun Well, November Payne.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know that's great, That's a great one.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, so I know, shout out to you because I'm
in it with some other G and R people Geane,
R Central and Guns and Radio. But yeah, I was
gonna ask you because I know you don't have a
cell phone. So you have a fantasy team that you're
how long you've been doing that?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
This is our fourth year and then we end up
doing this. This year's first year that we we actually
got to. I got true fantasy. We have one that's
kind of like our some of the crew guys, uh
mixed with some of my kids. And then we have
a family one which is only family. And I actually
(03:07):
got my wife Gloria. She never played fantasy. She doesn't
know nothing about it. Bro Ever, I was like helping
her with the draft.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It was the draft like five kickers or something.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
He was like, I'm gonna pick Patrick Mahomes first, first
first pick of the I was like, no, don't do that.
A couple of rounds, you know, it was like it
was so funny, dude, it was good.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That is great. I used to be in multiple but
now I can't handle it. But no, I love the
fact that your your team name, uh say it again,
dirty Gibbs Done Dirty. Like how do you say your
team name dirty gives done dirt?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Jyp Yeah, Dirty Gibbs Done Dirty.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh, brilliant to think about.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know the song you.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Know, dirty Gives down Dirt yea, all fits in the Okay?
Great awesome. So in addition to just clever fantasy team names,
I'm glad I asked you again off the air and
how to pronounce the new album, which I'll say correctly.
First Shama because my Hebrew side of me I was like,
is it ahma? I go to how do I pronounce
(04:08):
this is shama? So I wasn't familiar with the words.
So for those of you, but most of us who
wasn't familiar, what does shama mean?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Shama is is means two things in Portuguese mainly means
flame fire, flame, you know, and also means calling somebody.
If you're calling, if you're calling somebody to fight, you go, Shama,
let's go, you know, means kind of like so it's
(04:36):
both and also can be calling an ancestor a spirit.
You can be calling a spirit, so it's it's kind
of like a slang name, you know, almost like it
could be like a slang. I think that the Shama
side of calling somebody is more like a slang. But
I think if you go in a dictionary, it will
be flame. That's the original title, and I think the
(04:58):
record is pretty much uh fused by flame. You know.
The covert has got a lot of flame in it.
The music has got a lot of fire, a lot
of passion, so it's full of flames on on this one.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's it's so cool and I love always you guys
have a deeper meaning to everything. So Shama. You can
get it now for for pre order. Uh. The new
album Soul Fly and one of the the the the
the album the song titles rather that caught me. We're
all like clever names. I like this little natural progression
we're making when the tracks black Holes come, I love
(05:36):
that that just just album, just tight inspired or anything
from sound Garden in there as well.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I love sound Garden, but I also love dark humor. Yeah,
this one is a bit dark humor mixing kind of
sound Garden and Napalm Death actually because nap had an
album called Scum and so we did. We did the
song called you know, black Holes come. Of course, it's
(06:03):
all in good, good spirits, you know, I'm not I'm
not at all hating. In fact, it is the opposite.
I love that, like I said, you know, but it
just kind of felt like kind of a cool name.
I did the one before a couple of years ago
there was a soulfly song called the Song Remains Insane
(06:27):
and that was totally on on the ripping on led Zeppelin,
which is an a band that I love, you know,
and I kind of love when like, it's a bit
like the football fantasy name things. You know, if you
can be creative and add to it and make something
cool out of it, you know, yeah, do it, man,
it's kind of cool. And that's so this one has that.
(06:48):
There's many of the other things on the record that
There's another song called always Will Always Was, Always Will Be,
and that's an Aboriginal saying. That's very traditional Australian, like
all the people from Australia, they love this, they love
this sentence they use for everything Aboriginal. So the acer
(07:08):
has a lot of references to Aboriginal stuff, tribal stuff,
South American tribes, and the cover of course is Native American.
You know, it's it's a very It's an Apache cruel
ritual done in Nava Holend. So I love all that,
all that tribal that few soul flight.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's all back on this record, yeah, right on which
comes out. I don't think I said it before. October
twenty fourth, Shama and your son is on this record.
He continues to be Zion. You know I told you before.
Now I get to do a my son free episode.
I was telling you how Glenn my son interrupted a
(07:51):
Glenn Hughes interview a couple episodes ago, and now he's
out with the babysitter. But I mean, your son's like
it's been a while for you. He's in his thirty
you have grandkids and stuff like that. I mean, does
it still dawn on you? Like how do you how
does it feel like you're in a band with your son?
Like me, I kind of just think in the future,
will he joined me on the radio, all these things.
(08:12):
But it's got to be extra special for you to
create music, new music, but also with your family.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Now it's a it's really kind of like a dream
more than anything else. Like it's you know, like when
you when when they first born, you you kind of
like wish those things in your head, you like, we
I hope they grow up and they'll be musicians and
we can jam together. It'll be so cool, you know,
like just to just to share the passion that I
(08:39):
have for these music with them, you know, with your blood,
you know, and actually be proud of them being musicians.
And I don't mean there was any other way that
they're gonna turn out like something else, because when they
were born, Zion is actually his heartbeat opens Chaos a
d sepultaey KOs a D record, so his hardby before
he was when he was inside his moms Lly, He's
(09:00):
already opened a metal record. And then I remember doing
like oz Fest two thousands, and they sleeping on guitar cases,
both of them, Zion and Igor and Azzy singing in
the background, going growing crazy and they're sleeping on the
guitar cases and I'm like sitting right by them, you know,
(09:21):
they got the blankets, the pillows, and I'm watching Auzzy
and I'm looking at them and they're sleeping, and I'm like,
what a fucking moment, you know, what a what a
cool moment for a dad. And then you fast forward
that you're now I'm in a studio with them making
the record, creating the music together. It's definitely an incredible journey.
(09:43):
And so they were grooming this life, you know, like
they were part of this lifestyle forever, traveling with us
throughout the world, watching me perform in front of thousands
of people every night, meeting other musicians, you know. And
(10:03):
it's cool that I think now they appreciate actually them
more than before. I think before they were too young
to actually know. Because I was even talking to Zion
the other day, I said, we're gonna go see Pantera tonight.
They were here last week. You know, there's a picture
me and you when you're two years old, and uh,
(10:28):
he was he was actually holding you, you know, uh,
and you're two years old, and it's an awesome picture.
So we're gonna go watch them tonight, you know. So
you know a few from thirty years ago, you know, so,
and and then Gloria was even joking, yeah, let's recreate
that picture.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I was just about to say, let's again.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
You pick you up, like, no, don't do that, don't
do that, you know. But yeah, it's it's really cool, man,
Like this is us knowing a lot of musicians are
are house is always full of people, are always full
of music. So yeah, it's kind of we created like
a metal family that I'm very proud of it. And
now watching the actually becoming really good at their craft.
(11:12):
Zion is an amazing drummer, Igor is a multi talent
guitar player, bass player, writes Stephen King novels. So it's
so cool to see them be inspired by the music,
you know, because they remind me of me when I
was young, because I was very inspired by the music.
Get to watch them feel the same way as I
(11:35):
was when I was young. You knows, it's cool. Hopefully
you get your experience that with your kid.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I hope. So, I mean that's I'm looking through. I
had the kind of I've been having it. I'm sorry,
my listeners. I can't help it. I'm becoming the cliche dad.
But I love bonding with rock stars about kids and
having these kinds of conversations because it's my first. I mean,
I'm going to be forty two in a couple of days,
probably going to be my last. My wife is already
forty two, but I mean we're already thinking about Yeah,
(12:04):
we're living through people your stories about like, oh, he's
growing up so fast, but there's so much cool things
to happen. There's so many cool things to happen and
to bond overall. So they hear things like that puts
it in perspective where I'm like, ah, I want because
he's too. As you mentioned, your son was too in
the original picture with phil on Semo, he's too. But
(12:25):
I'm like, oh, I wish you could stay two forever,
but they're gonna grow up and who knows. Yeah, well
your son's in a band with you. Who knows? He
could be appetite for distortion. See going back to before
with the play on name change and words, that's what
you're talking to, appetite for distortion. One day he'll be
sitting here. Who knows or if he hates radio, and
(12:45):
I'm not going to force him into it either.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, Yeah, that's the key, I think the key is
not to force it. But if you can't steer the boat,
you go in that direction, like do it. You know.
Also the other thing I toat you kind of like
past to them sometimes, like really enjoy the cool moments, man,
because they're rare, you know, and don't get don't take
(13:09):
it for granted. Like sometimes like having an awesome moment
when you make this killer song in a studio where
everybody get has the goose bumps and you know this
song is going to be a banger, you know before
anybody has heard, but you just made it right there
on a spot I was telling I was telling Zion,
(13:29):
like those are the great moments that you have to
really enjoy it. You know, they're cool, they're rare, you know.
It's it's it's hard to be inspired after after you've
done so much, so many things in the world. It's
harder and harder to be inspired. But once if you
find that inspiration and you can manifest into real, into
(13:52):
something real, enjoy that moment you know that which is
which is uh? Which is really cool? You know? And
and and it's Cookasign's is more a little bit more
traditional as far as the tasty music. He likes more
Black Sabbath, you know, guns n' Roses, A C. D C.
(14:14):
Theft Stones. Laterly he's been coming out and listening to
a little bit harder stuff like body Box and stuff,
but mostly of his playlist has always been real classic,
real classic rock, you know, which is really cool. I
love that. I love that he has this passion for
really good hard rock, you know, because that's the foundation
(14:36):
of of of the music that we play. It's it's
always funded in hard rock. He all came out of
rock and roll. No matter what what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It could not have started out that, you know, that extreme.
It's like it just wouldn't happen. It has to come
from some sort of foundations.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Everybody, no matter how hard or extreme, you can trace
the roots. It goes back to rock and roll. It
goes back to Elvis Presley, you know, you can't, you know,
like Jerry le Lewis playing the piano with his feet,
you know, that's that's that's where where the ship started
and you can avoid it. That's great, like to have
(15:13):
that knowledge and knowing that music. But yeah, I love
I love sharing that with him because I'm I'm a
big hard rock fan myself. And sometimes we're driving to
the to the jam pad to jam and we just
play records that we like, you know, the other the
other day we play Sabbath, you know, jamming Sabotage, you know.
(15:34):
After Ossie passing, it was kind of cool. It was
like a cool moment, you know, sharing that with him.
So it's it's it's cool sharing the music and the
knowledge through year kid because like or not your kid,
he's a band member as well, you know, so I
them like I talked to them more like like a
band member than a kid. You know. It's like my
(15:55):
relationship is more like like I have with a band member,
the less than a father.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
When i'm it's like I can fire you and ground you.
Don't forget that at the.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Same time, Yeah, I have. I have the power of both.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I love that. While we're dancing around, I mean talking
about Ozzi, I mean, my goodness, I mean I only
have the opportunity. I saw him once, said at oz
Fast twenty years ago. Lucky to see him once. Uh
you know, I watched the tribute live read that so
many million millions of people did around the world. Did
(16:32):
you watch that? And also can you talk about because
obviously you played Oz fast, maybe some personal some other
personal Ozzy experiences other than what you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it was it was real sad,
but at the same time, I just tried to treasure
all the good memories I had with him, which were many,
all the way back from Sepultora opening the last Black
Saber shows with Alison Chains. You know, we played the
first one and and we got invited to a bunch
(17:03):
of oz fests in ninety eight, two thousand and even
the beginning of Soulfly. Actually, like I remember, like before
I had any music, before I even had a band,
I was having a we were having a Christmas dinner
in England at Oz's house and just shooting the ship
with him. I just you know, he knew that I
(17:24):
quit Sepultura, I know. And it's like it's up to
you to get back on your feet, go get what yours.
What's yours? You know, like go fight for what you believe. Dude,
if you were to tell a teenage Max Caroleras, He's
gonna tell you like it's you know, it's up to
you to go make a new band, Like yeah, I'll
be like get out of here. You're out of your mind,
you know. That was that was such a cool moment
(17:46):
to to to share that. So all of that was
it was It was amazing, man, to experience, you know,
even to see how their family in our family through
those tours were really cool and Conne Gloria was big,
big friends with Sharon and their kids play with our kids.
(18:08):
Was was really cool. And yeah, it was it was
definitely it was a sad day. But I also at
the same time, I was like really proud of the
amount of love that he received, you know, which was
like overwhelming, you know, like what a like I remember,
you know, the passing of Deal and Lemmy and it
(18:28):
was not like that. When Ozzie died, it was like
a thunderbolt hit the world, you know, it was it was,
it was. It was big, man. It made it made
some big, big waves. It was crazy. And I think
I don't know if he knew, but how much he
was loved. You know, he was very loved in the
(18:49):
world from by by everybody, you know, all kinds of
all walks of live. The people that knew him and
the people that didn't, they all love him. Man. You know.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was cool, that's true, and Uh, you don't need
to respond to this one except for Roger Waters, who
is a coward who needs to can totally talk about
people after they're dead. I don't know if you heard
what Roger Water said about Ozzie No, oh the paraphrase.
He just thought he what he did was stupidity on
the air and then get what he did or didn't
(19:20):
understand what Sabbath did. Just didn't get you. Roger Water's
way just really dismissive of Ozzie and was even brought
up like by the interviewer. Roger just brought up by himself.
Sorry because that just as we're recording this.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, we're just sad to hear another musician saying that,
you know, like we don't need any of that. Man.
You know, it's like the more, the more the older
I get, the more I think like I don't have
time for negativity and I don't have time to talk
spend my life talking about other people. I rather celebrate
(19:53):
my life with other people. I rather, you know, have
fun with people, enjoy you know, enjoy life, share my
music with other musicians. And uh, and if I don't
like something that's I stay away from it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You know, That is what kind of drives me crazy
about the Internet and social media, the amount of idiots
that go there to talk shit about you. It's like, dude,
you don't like this music, stay away from it. Don't
go fucking talk shit. You know, like what, what's what's
the point of your ship talking like you're just making
(20:29):
an as of yourself. You know, it's it's sad man,
it's it's it's it's fucked up. The society has that,
but it's.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Part of you know, it's a waste of time. And
I don't know what it is about the human creature
because I've been not so not on this podcast because
I'm very conscious of it. But when I was younger,
and maybe when the Internet was new, you talk trash
about like a celebrity and like, oh this person, I
don't like this music. I don't do that. Now as
we get older, it's like, what are you doing? It's
(20:56):
it's a waste of time. So I guess to kind
of tie everything in together about how the internet is.
And Uh and Aussie were talking about the final show
Guns and Roses, just so people, Uh people know. First
time Max was on, we spoke about the time you
went clubbing with Matt Storm and Billy Idle, I believe,
(21:17):
and you guys weren't allowed in. That was that was
a fun story.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was cool. That was the little
Rock and Reo we played together in Brazil and yeah,
just that was That was so funny, Like we're in
in the just club hopping, trying to get into a
bunch of clubs and we there's me, Matt and Billie
(21:41):
Idol and they're not letting us in. You know. That
was like so crazy to think that why you're not
letting these guys like you know that this is fucking crazy, not.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Just Max and Matt. But you don't do that to
Billy Idol.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Come on, right, that's you know that, Come on, you're
crossing the line, uh Man. And and talking about like
first records, right, I think we thought we touched a
little bit on that, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Talking about Rock and Rio the Destruction.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
What a banger for a first record? You know, like
that's that's like lightning in a bottle, brother, Like you
know that shit just doesn't happen. You know, It's cool,
it's and the effect that has through the years, Man,
so many people still love that music. You know and
again I go back again. My wife showed me the
(22:34):
other day, was there's some people, you know, ship talking
Axle and it's like, come on, man, fuck you all.
You know, it's such bullshit. Leave the guy alone. You know,
he's you know, you know, because I had a little
bit of that, you know, like you have a little bit,
you know, you gain a couple of pounds and people
gotta talk shit about your weight. What is this? We're
(22:56):
like models, you know, like we were like Olga models
over like rock and rollers. It was never about the
fucking weight. Who gives a fuck what somebody waits? You know.
It's about the music, man, It's about what they play.
So it's about what you like in the music, you know.
So yeah, I fucking yeah I heard that and I
was like totally like again, I was like, fuck this ship,
(23:19):
Like fuck, this is just cowards. You know. I never
got to to to meet Axel, but uh, I'm sure
we'll hit it off pretty good. I kind of heard
that some of his assistants are Brazilian.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, he's surrounded about you guys will get along. Not
that I know Axel, but yeah, he's called brazil. Yeah,
I'm sorry, I cut you off there, but he's run
by Team Brazil What's what's called?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And that's that's so cool. That is so cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Like a long lost family. From what I understand that
his the family I mean aside from his brother and sister,
but like his dad. You know, his dad and stepdad
were terrible than him. And you know his mother wasn't
his there firm as much as she should have been. Uh.
So it's like a family he's growing up with. And
uh it is very cool to see whenever you see
them mountain about now, So that that you you picked
(24:09):
up exactly what I was trying to push you toward. Uh,
what people say about Axel, and it's one thing from
I try to do it from I know I'm biased
to a degree, but at the same time, I'm I'm
not as sick of a fan. I'm not, you know,
like a teenager who doesn't accept reality. But when you're
talking about the guy who put out that Lightning in
a bottle record in nineteen eighty seven, and you're gonna
(24:32):
shot on him now as a coward and your hey,
I guess what he sounds like or what you think
he looks like. It's free he has to be skinny
enough for you. What do you want to date him? Like?
You know what I mean. It's just so it's like.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Like what you're not You're never gonna get old? You know,
you're never going you know, like, dude, it happens to everybody,
all of us. You know, most of U's gonna get old,
and you're not gonna.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Be this lucky to get old.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, you're lucky. Man. I fucking wear that she we pried,
like the white hair and you know, and the stitches
those are like, you know, I take I take pride
on that. It took a long time to get that,
you know. But yeah, man, I you know what I
love is uh uh the the show that uh I forgot?
(25:21):
The bass player what's his name? Yeah, Douff has a
killer show on on on the satellite radio.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
It does three Chords in the Truth with his with
wife Susan. He's been Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I love listening to that man because he plays some
cool ship, some really cool rock. Man. I was like,
and I listened to a lot of Ozzy's Bonyard anyway,
because that's like one of my favorite channels between that
and liquid metal. You know, I'm biased to liquid metal
because they play my ship.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
But oh yeahs radio it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Is just just good rock, just good hard rock, heavy metal,
and you can't go wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
You know, you're gonna laugh. And I think some of
my listeners know long my career, my twenty four year
radio career, just trying to be full time and do
what I'm doing now pretty much talking to rock stars
like you. I worked for Serious ExM just for a year,
but to get my foot in nothing is beneath me.
I worked for a year for the Catholic Channel, and
(26:22):
I told you how I pronounced it. I thought I
pronounced your record at first Shama. I thought because my
Hebrew nature Hama. So I was I was a Jew
working for the Catholic Channel, but I didn't care. Radio
is radio. But here I am going to talk to
Max Cavalier for the third time. And look, as soon
as I saw your name, man, I was like, I
love talking to him. Man, it's an honor. So I
was happy to talk with you.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, it's the that's a little tricky that people don't
know what the what the pronunciation of this.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So I'm dumb. I mean, you never know because you
know what it's crazy because he was talking about tell
me what your grandkids trying to teach English and be
all teachers. Brazilian is probably it's it's Portuguese. Easy languages.
I feel like English there are just words that are
just certain, Like how do I explain this to a
two year old because he's like see is for cookie,
but see is also for chair and he's like trying
(27:10):
to compute that into his brain. Like.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So one of my one of my favorite memories is actually,
since you mentioned that, it was actually playing playing in
Israel with Ozzy. We played Soul Fly, Corn and Aussy
in Tel Aviv twenty thousand people. Man, it was incredible,
it was It was such a good show. Uh. And
then I did a video there too, for a sepultory territory.
(27:34):
We did a get real style, just had one camera
guy following us. We weren't really allowed to film a
lot in in Jerusalem, but we did it anyway. We
just had a guy with a backpack and a camera
and yeah, we're there for like three days and it
came out. Yeah, it came out really cool. Man. I
(27:55):
loved I loved the vibe of the video just in general.
I just loved that I got. I had the chance
to be in countries like that, you know, got to
experience a little bit. It's one of the coolest things
about this job to me is actually the traveling aspect.
You know, I've been to like eighty five countries now
and that's like it's so awesome because you know, growing
(28:18):
up in Brazil, like there were some countries that I
only I only saw in maps, you know. Yeah, yeah,
like like you know you're gonna go to Tasmania, Like
you only see that ship on the map. You know.
You never think you're actually gonna go to Tasmania, you know,
but yeah, it's it's it's one of the coolest things
(28:38):
about this job is the traveling and you get to
meet the fans and the culture and you experience the
culture of the people of the of that part of
the world, and it's really really awesome, you know, really
really cool. And going back to the show. Much of
the name of the record, if you're interested on it,
it's actually from a us SEE fighter named Alex Spereta.
(29:03):
He's like one of the number number one, number two
guy right now fighting. He's Brazilian and his walk out
music is one of my songs from my record Roots.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So he comes out with that, you know. And when
I saw the first time, I had the goose bumps.
I was like, holy shit, he's using a song from
my album Roots. That's that's insane, you know, and he
uses all the time. That's his favorite walkout music, Like
Joe Rogan loves it, you know, you know why he
loves the song. And I was so inspired by that
(29:39):
combination of sports, fighting, tribal knowledge. I was like, I
got an you know. He had a theme that he
said all the time. He said Shama all the time.
And I'm watching these videos and he's going shave a
shove a and I was like, I gotta call my
record Shama. Man, this is too cool. So he actually
(30:00):
im from Alex you know. Also it's all right on. Yeah,
it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And I wouldn't I would be doing my own uh
fandom of the service because I'm more of a w
W guy. It's just the way I've always grown up.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I mean, uf, all the guys in my in the
band are huge w W fans.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So then they probably tell you they've told you with
the whole tribal probably chief you got to write a
song for like Roman reigns or I mean it's there.
I don't know, that's that's the way I was thinking.
With all the tribal you gotta write, get some songs
in w W.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
W needs some tribal ships. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, it's they're always talking about the tribes and like
you know, my with my my family tribe, all that stuff,
with all the they're not Brazilian, they're Samoan. But I mean,
I don't know that's cool.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I know that the guys watched them all the time,
my guitar players specifically him and my and my crew
guy Monday night having to have.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The fight Monday night raw.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, holy ship. They they will miss soundtrack. They would,
they would it was up to them. They will miss
a show to watch that.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
They actually tie everything crazy. That's fun. I'm not like
that type of thing. They get the shirt you're wearing. Slayer.
They're doing a show not too far from me in
Pennsylvania where Damian Priest the Wrestler is introducing them because
Kerry King does his theme music.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh we're gonna we're playing that show.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Oh okay, I brought that up on purpose then, So
right Onlera.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Cavolera is going to be there doing KOs A D.
So that's that's cool. I'll keep an eye for it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Man, I want to interview Damian Priest. You should meet him.
He's a New York guy, so, I mean, you know
he's cool if he's from New York. Yeah, yeah, that's
just not Chicago, right.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's Hershey right, Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah yeah, I saw. I saw guns and roses there,
so to tie everything in together. So yeah, we're.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Very we're very excited for that. That's like the beginning
of our tour. We have a whole month's or KOs
a D tour that goes comes across the US. We're
going to Dallas.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
We actually have we have a show in New York
with like a festival with Sunny Suga Bob, we have
a show with Lamb of God. We're doing Aftershock Festival.
A lot of cool stuff, and then hopefully next year
so Fly can pick it up since the album's coming
out in October. You know, I don't know if you're
gonna tour this year with so Fly, but for sure
(32:27):
next year, especially with this record, you know, well.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Keeping busy regardless. This was awesome Max, Well, good luck
with your your lions like it's it's yeah, I'm sorry again.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I was just I think the Giant's gonna be all
right you I'm telling you they're gonna be okay. They're
gonna be better than people think.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
We'll see. It's all depends on mister unlimited Russell Wilson
to see how he does.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I like I like Dark better.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Actually that's probably I'm sure that's the plan to get
him in there next time. We'll see how our team
artists fire.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Even the name like some dart. Are you kidding me?
That's like a that's a pretty pre fabricated name for NFL.
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I'm just glad they got the I've already got his name.
The other guy out of there just was not not working.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Daniel Daniels, Daniel Daniel Jones say it's his name is Edworth.
Other than Eli, it's just Danny Knell. There's all these
long lists of giants, you know whatever. We will save
the real football talk for another podcast, Appetite for Football.
Appreciate your thanks, Max. So that does it for this
episode of Appetite for Distortion. When will you see the
next one? In the words of Axel Rose concerning Chinese democracy,
(33:40):
I don't know as soon as the word, but you'll see.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It thanks to the lame ass security. I'm going home.
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