November 14, 2025 • 17 mins
Pod Crashing Episode 411 with Andrew Gillum from the podcast Native Land. On Native Land Pod, Angela Rye, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillum guide us through the political landscape, wielding insights and unapologetic analysis, unraveling the threads that connect Black Americans and marginalized communities to a place they courageously call home.In each episode, Angela, Tiffany and Andrew embark on a journey of reflection, taking stock of the news of the week and the country's road to the polls.Join us each week as we navigate the dance between past and present, weaving a narrative of hope, empowerment, and the unyielding strength that defines the journey to reclaim 'Native Land.' This isn't just news analysis; it's a movement, a conversation, and a testament to the power of those who dare to rebuild and redefine the meaning of home.EPISODES AVAILABLE HERE:Https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-native-land-pod-137190860/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Listening to a podcast to me is like listening to music.
You don't stay in the same genre. You're all over
the place, which is the reason why at arrow dot
net a R r oe dot net seventeen different podcasts
to choose from, Because we know that you're everywhere, why
not be there with you. Hey, welcome back to the conversation.
Let's do some pod crashing. Episode number four eleven is
(00:20):
with Andrew Gillim from Native Land. Andrew, I got to
tell you before we start here that I'm so proud
of you for being so committed to the community at
such a young age, when you could be up gaming
and doing you know, fun things at the mall, or
or figuring out what the future is about. But you did.
You know, you decided very early community is my life
and I'm going to dedicate it to that community.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, Well, first of all, thank you, that's extreme, the
generous of you, man. I am all of us are
you know, all of us are called right now for
a time as this, So everybody's got to.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Put their shoulder to the wheel.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I wish it were you know, just a personal desire
or a comfort and convenience, but as Carter, you Whitson wrote,
it's the situation now that makes it necessary, right for
all of us to lean in, you know, extra hard
if we want to, if we want to keep the
things that we have and get the things that we don't,
(01:14):
it's going to require, you know, like like democracies do.
They're going to require all of us to put our hands.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To the wheels. So that's what we try to do.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And we're talking about Native Land Pod and and and
we were talking you know, in and out of the
week with folks around. The things that we hope that
they're thinking about and caring about is that you know,
this is not an observation a sport. This is not
for spectators, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Only players on the field now, and that means all
of us.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's so true that you say that, because here's the thing.
I mean, there's a lot of under the breath speakers
right now. And you know what I mean by that
in the way that they'll sit there and mumble and
complain about life, but they don't activate it like you're doing.
And a podcast like Native Land Pod, this is the
kind of stuff where they need to say I can
do this. He's making me feel like that I can
do this well, you.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Know, so, I don't know if you've experienced this, but
oftentimes when we try to hold power, powerful people and
institutions accountable, you know, part of their first response is,
you know, this is complicated. This is complicated, and they've
convinced the American people that their own government, their own democracy,
is so complicated that they would be best served to
(02:21):
just check out leave it to the adults in the
room to sort of get to the business. And the
truth in that scenario is the only people who benefit
from it all the people who are the deciders. The
people in the room who have been invited to the
table then don't need to put up a folding chair
because they own the room. But it is to the
huge disadvantage of folks like me and you and everyday
(02:41):
folks who are getting up doing what they can to
provide for themselves and for their family. They are navigating
the complexities of life, the ups and the downs, hills
and valleys, and you know, the truth is is that
are pressed down on so many sides that it becomes
almost a luxury to be able to pipe in to
what's going on in the news and what deciders are
doing on our behalf. But the truth is is that
(03:04):
that is exactly what they want, for us to be
overwhelmed by everyday life and and and the challenges that
we're facing our own on on on homes and families,
that we're not paying attention to what's happening outside that
is in fact impacting and could be the very cause
of why we're at the dinner table trying to go
ship which bills we can pay first, in which we
(03:25):
can push down the line.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Uh, So it requires us to tune in because tuning
out is precisely what these folks don't want. And that's
us watching them, holding them accountable and calling them on
their stuff when it when it's required, and and and
and true again, Democracies are not you know, they they
are luxuries. And it's one of the reasons why so
many societies have chosen other forms of governance, because democracy
(03:51):
requires something of us.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And we thought for so long that all that.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Meant was going out and voting, and now we're learning
that it means raised in hell at every opportunity when
it's required, you know, to take care of yourself and
for your family.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And who among us wouldn't do that?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, Because there's so many people out there that think
that the thirteen or fourteen people at city council plus
the mayor are sitting there in that room and they
are the decision makers. I've never seen a city council
meeting that does not include the public. We choose not
to show up.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Absolutely, you're right, and I know that Lesson Well.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I was a mayor for a number of years and
a councilman prior to that, you know, starting when I
was twenty three years old, and one of the parts
of the meeting that I looked most forward to, but
oftentimes was also very painful, is when the citizen had
the same right as the governing elected officials, and that
was to bring their either support or protests to the
(04:43):
government around any particular matter. And if you said in
local government there is nothing, no subject, no anything that's
beyond approach people if they are filling it in their communities,
Certainly the people who showed up at the meetings I
governed over, they let you hear.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It, know, and it was it was.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It was always the area of the meeting where you
got the sense of whether the council was a listening
council or whether they were sort of, yeah, this is
a you know, inconvence in our schedule, but we're going
from the public and kind of keep moving down our direction.
And folks who had the latter attitude did not sit
long in those seats because the public got a real
sense of what was real, what was not, who was
(05:25):
for them, and who was not, and they would move
to move people out of that. And I don't know
why we think that governing at any of the higher
levels it should be any different than the accountability that's
experienced at the most local of levels.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
At all levels, the job.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Of the policy makers is to be in service to you,
and not just you specifically, but to a greater community
and what is in the best interests of the of
those people. And when they're not doing it, it's our job,
that's underwritten in the democracy, our job to hold them
to account, not just that election time, but throughout, you know,
throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You're stepping up into something here that really I think
has always been the name of the future, and that
is hosting the podcast because so many times for you
to go and be on a radio station, a talk show,
everybody's gonna look at you so differently if you're on
that radio station. But with this podcast, you get to
be on all sides of the fence.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well you try to break it down
so that people can, says, write all sides of it,
because again, if we allow the lie to be true,
that it's just complicated, and therefore we should leave it
to the adults in the room. Again, we're not served
by not being in the room number one.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But two, we're certainly not served.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
By blacking ourselves out to the realities to quote unquote,
deal with my own issues and then let this run
rough shot it. Power is so all consuming, and I
know this because I've been there, and it becomes very
easy to be protectionists of the power that you've amassed
and not very responsive to the people who put you there.
(07:00):
Because again, at some level, people start to check out
and they trust that what's going on is either you know,
hopefully is in their best interest, but you know what
if it's not. Politicians are all quoked anyway, and that's
why I don't believe in it. A lot of people say,
I don't do politics. Politics are doing.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You every day, so you better do it or it
will get the best of you.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
We're trying to week in and week out remind our audience, Look,
we are real participants in this process, and when they
try to shut us out or we're not invited in.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Let's get in there.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And if we don't have a table to sit that,
we're going to sit down at the floor at whatever
is going on, so we can keep watch and we
can advocate, and we can get from this here democracy.
The things that we know are necessary for the building
and the strengthening, for the protection for the aspirational future
that we have for ourselves, our family, our kids are
parodit in our future. That's the stuff that we're in
(07:51):
service to. And if you're not in service to that,
then I can't imagine why would have you in any
seat making any decision about, you know, the well being
of my.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Future and the future of the people who I love
and care about. So we're required to show up. We
are required to raise hell when it's necessary.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
We're required to applaud quite frankly, when things are going
the way that we want them to. And we're also
entitled to stream and shout and make well known our
presence and our disapproval when those things are not happening.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
In our interest, Please do not move. There's more with
Andrew Gillim coming up next. The name of the podcast
is Native Land Pod, where with Andrew Gillim, I think
this is a gut check what we're going through right
now in the way that so many people are either
living in their past or they're so far into the
future thinking that this is what I'm going to be,
this is what I want to be. Da da da
da da da. And what's going on with our modern
(08:45):
day reality, with things being torn apart like they are,
is that we have to be in the present and
things are going to come out of the ashes, and
we need people like you to step through and say
we need to make a voice here. Do not trust
that person over there, because who are they right?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
For sure?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Or and moreover, what are they getting from this thing?
And whatever it is they're getting, is it in there?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Is it in their pleasure or is it in the
pleasure of us?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yep, And I don't mean that in a in a
how do you say, it's sort of an enjoyment sense
and your pleasure in that sense, I'm saying, is it
in your best interest?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Is it in service to us? Does it does this
action yield.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Something that's better for the people, or does it tend
to make it worse. And my experience is if you're
feeling the pain of it, trust and believe that other
people out there are also feeling the pain. But the
shame of having to talk about it to bring it
forward is what keeps so many of us outside the
system or silent or chagrined from it, because you know,
we we sort of begin to isolate when these bad
(09:46):
times come down on us. But I rest rest as
sure there are other people who experience it too, And
the importance of knowing that is then you can start
to take the blame off yourself and sometimes start to
recognize that this system is operating to achieve this outcome,
and who's in charge of that system and who's.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Making these things move the way they're moving.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But you know, to become really I think curious, and
after that curiosity become active around how we've been this thing.
So that's in service to us, you know, in our futures.
Too many of us right now are out here in
these streets just surviving. We're trying to achieve harm reduction
and the goal of a democracy, of an aspirational society
(10:25):
of the greatest you know, country and all the land,
is that you can be aspirational. And the truth is
is then you could experience a life that is not
one of you surviving, but one of you thriving. When
do we get back to thriving? It once happened before,
and now we're not having it. And it's our job,
through Native Lampard, to remind people that harm reduction and
(10:49):
just trying to get by is not good enough. It's
never been good enough. It's time for your your dreams
and the kids, you know, the dreams of your kids
to be able to be possible again. If that's home
owned good if that's working a job that pays you
are ways that you can work and take a vacation
every once in a while, then that's what it becomes.
But you know, getting up to just to pay the
(11:10):
bills is and motivating anybody in any real sense. Right,
We need to get back to that sense of the
American dream. What is possible for us to actually dream
and then have that dream come a reality. And it
requires work on our part, but it also requires work
on the parts of institutions that are co conspiring day
in and day out. So that all we do is
(11:32):
continue to be people who are just surviving. I don't
want a country of survivors. I want a country of dreamers, believers,
doers who achieve those things and again move.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Us all higher.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Do you not think, though, that we are cheating the
system of thriving as you call it by now, I'm
not knocking instacart, but I'm telling you that's the easy
way out for people who just want to get a job,
They want to get something done.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Thriving means guts, it means is sweat, it means dirt
underneath your fingernails. I mean, we've got the only way
we're going to get out of this is, like you said,
we've got to be able to get into the hunger
of thriving.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, you know, raw. You sound like my dad.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
My dad growing up as a construction work and my
mom drove school bus and and and they worked together
to take care of their seven headed kids.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I was number five of the seven.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And my dad, when I kind of elected the city council,
said this ain't real work. You ain't sweating, daddy, I
promise you I am. I'm spent at the end of
every you know Day said this even end, But the
truth is is that you know, he received, you know,
sort of work input, and then what they output is
(12:38):
from that by basically sort of the grit of the day.
And you know how much he sweated, how much callous
is you know how many more calluses did he add
to his hand and his feet? And I and I
get that, and I think I adopted that and apply
that in the field of politics, you know, with with
sort of a different set of about Yeah, I have
callouses too, and yeah, the day is hard fought and
(12:59):
hard wone on or harder loss in some experiences. But
I think more than anything, what I took as a
lesson from it is that we all have to put
our shoulders to the wheel that you know, you know,
this idea of you can just watch it and see
is an idea that is a luxury for most people.
We don't have the luxury of just watching and seeing bigs.
Oftentimes we're the ones on the serving plate. So it
(13:22):
requires us to lean in take the wheel, understand, And
yes it does require a little bit of work, but
that's exactly the system that we operate under, one that
requires the engagement.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And involvement of all of us.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
And as it relates to the folks who want to thrive,
just saying it isn't enough.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You have to do faith without worst is dead. We
know that.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But also what has to exist are the opportunities on
the other side of that hard work that you can
then strive for. And in a system where it seems
that the government is co conspired to create more billionaires, right,
which is still you know, a small class us under
a hundred necessarily and far fewer than that in other nations.
But but but but when they get become content with
(14:08):
creating a world of you know, of just a few billionaires,
and the rest of us become in service to those people,
think about it. I mean all our information communications system,
you know in this country largely run by a single man.
You know. Similarly, you know, you've got billionaires now buying
up newspapers who determine what it is that we read,
(14:28):
owning networks that determine and mitigrate what is truth and
what is not truth. And what we don't know about
that is that the most always, whatever the outcome is,
is to their, to their benefit, and not ours. So
I think we have to become more curious about things
more circumspect, but also recognize that there are some facts
here and they're not alternative facts, because alternatives to effects
(14:52):
are not facts their lives, they're untruths. And we got
to have a bedrock somewhere. And the assault on what
is truth in this country has been well under the
way over the past several decades, and its real goal
is to get us to the point where we trust nothing,
believe nothing, and check out of everything.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And we've got to do the exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Do you think that we lack engagement? And the reason
why I bring that up is because every time that
I'm at the grocery store, the one thing that we
do as a group is that we make sure that
there's one engagement question. And yesterday's engagement question to every
one of our guests was what's more important? Love or money?
My God, that created a lot of conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Oh wow, oh wow, I mean I would I would,
of course declare that of a dichotomy. I resist dichotomies
that I think there's always a third way or fourth
way to fifth way, sixth way, And so you would
be very irritated with me. I'd say, you know, I
can have them both right. I strive for for wealth
(15:51):
and safety and convenience, and I'm gonna love myself through
it right all the way and everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Else you know who I care for.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But I can imagine that take up a lot of
residents with people love it, don't money love.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
What's what's lasting about one of these or the other.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I can't wait for the hear the results on that one,
Bill uh and Era.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
So where can people go to find out more about you?
Because what you're doing is you're connecting not only your
local community, but people around this nation and around the
world are going to really touch you.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, for sure, and we want them to.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
We invite them to Native Lampard is available anywhere you
listen to your podcast and also obviously on the iHeart
radio app you can tune in.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
There's a lot of noise out there, y'all.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
There's a lot of of sources that really can't be trusted.
I can tell you this much. Whether you agree with
us or disagree with us, we're not going to be
self selective about the facts. The fact is a fact.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I think it's the.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Job of it is the service referee as benchmark that
that you can then measure where you are against her
for or whatever the question may be. And when we're
gonna try and help you navigate through what people, politicians
and news out, let's try to tell us it's too confusing,
or too nuanced, or too challenging. The truth is is
that all of that is an invitation for you to
(17:10):
check out, and we want you to check in. Our
democracy requires you to check in. So we're going to
try and break those things down so that you realize
it is actually not that hard. Yes, this down trieden
experience I'm having is connected to this other thing, which
is connected to this other thing yep. And we've got
to get to the source of it. And so Native
Lampod is here to help you get to the source
of it. And in these moments where we feel really
(17:31):
rejected and dijected, you know that we figure out a
way home, that there's a way we can navigate ourselves
back to the center of this thing. But it will
take some work, and we're here to you know, almost
as guide posts to help our folks through it.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Please come back to the show anytime in the future, Andrew.
The door is always going to be open for you.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Thank you for that, Erro, and keep doing your hard
work and encouraging and inspire people to stay in this thing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Okay, yes, sir, I'm working on it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Er
Listening to a podcast to me is like listening to music.
You don't stay in the same genre. You're all over
the place, which is the reason why at arrow dot
net a R r oe dot net seventeen different podcasts
to choose from, Because we know that you're everywhere, why
not be there with you. Hey, welcome back to the conversation.
Let's do some pod crashing. Episode number four eleven is
(00:20):
with Andrew Gillim from Native Land. Andrew, I got to
tell you before we start here that I'm so proud
of you for being so committed to the community at
such a young age, when you could be up gaming
and doing you know, fun things at the mall, or
or figuring out what the future is about. But you did.
You know, you decided very early community is my life
and I'm going to dedicate it to that community.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, Well, first of all, thank you, that's extreme, the
generous of you, man. I am all of us are
you know, all of us are called right now for
a time as this, So everybody's got to.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Put their shoulder to the wheel.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I wish it were you know, just a personal desire
or a comfort and convenience, but as Carter, you Whitson wrote,
it's the situation now that makes it necessary, right for
all of us to lean in, you know, extra hard
if we want to, if we want to keep the
things that we have and get the things that we don't,
(01:14):
it's going to require, you know, like like democracies do.
They're going to require all of us to put our hands.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To the wheels. So that's what we try to do.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And we're talking about Native Land Pod and and and
we were talking you know, in and out of the
week with folks around. The things that we hope that
they're thinking about and caring about is that you know,
this is not an observation a sport. This is not
for spectators, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Only players on the field now, and that means all
of us.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's so true that you say that, because here's the thing.
I mean, there's a lot of under the breath speakers
right now. And you know what I mean by that
in the way that they'll sit there and mumble and
complain about life, but they don't activate it like you're doing.
And a podcast like Native Land Pod, this is the
kind of stuff where they need to say I can
do this. He's making me feel like that I can
do this well, you.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Know, so, I don't know if you've experienced this, but
oftentimes when we try to hold power, powerful people and
institutions accountable, you know, part of their first response is,
you know, this is complicated. This is complicated, and they've
convinced the American people that their own government, their own democracy,
is so complicated that they would be best served to
(02:21):
just check out leave it to the adults in the
room to sort of get to the business. And the
truth in that scenario is the only people who benefit
from it all the people who are the deciders. The
people in the room who have been invited to the
table then don't need to put up a folding chair
because they own the room. But it is to the
huge disadvantage of folks like me and you and everyday
(02:41):
folks who are getting up doing what they can to
provide for themselves and for their family. They are navigating
the complexities of life, the ups and the downs, hills
and valleys, and you know, the truth is is that
are pressed down on so many sides that it becomes
almost a luxury to be able to pipe in to
what's going on in the news and what deciders are
doing on our behalf. But the truth is is that
(03:04):
that is exactly what they want, for us to be
overwhelmed by everyday life and and and the challenges that
we're facing our own on on on homes and families,
that we're not paying attention to what's happening outside that
is in fact impacting and could be the very cause
of why we're at the dinner table trying to go
ship which bills we can pay first, in which we
(03:25):
can push down the line.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Uh, So it requires us to tune in because tuning
out is precisely what these folks don't want. And that's
us watching them, holding them accountable and calling them on
their stuff when it when it's required, and and and
and true again, Democracies are not you know, they they
are luxuries. And it's one of the reasons why so
many societies have chosen other forms of governance, because democracy
(03:51):
requires something of us.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And we thought for so long that all that.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Meant was going out and voting, and now we're learning
that it means raised in hell at every opportunity when
it's required, you know, to take care of yourself and
for your family.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And who among us wouldn't do that?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, Because there's so many people out there that think
that the thirteen or fourteen people at city council plus
the mayor are sitting there in that room and they
are the decision makers. I've never seen a city council
meeting that does not include the public. We choose not
to show up.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Absolutely, you're right, and I know that Lesson Well.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I was a mayor for a number of years and
a councilman prior to that, you know, starting when I
was twenty three years old, and one of the parts
of the meeting that I looked most forward to, but
oftentimes was also very painful, is when the citizen had
the same right as the governing elected officials, and that
was to bring their either support or protests to the
(04:43):
government around any particular matter. And if you said in
local government there is nothing, no subject, no anything that's
beyond approach people if they are filling it in their communities,
Certainly the people who showed up at the meetings I
governed over, they let you hear.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It, know, and it was it was.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It was always the area of the meeting where you
got the sense of whether the council was a listening
council or whether they were sort of, yeah, this is
a you know, inconvence in our schedule, but we're going
from the public and kind of keep moving down our direction.
And folks who had the latter attitude did not sit
long in those seats because the public got a real
sense of what was real, what was not, who was
(05:25):
for them, and who was not, and they would move
to move people out of that. And I don't know
why we think that governing at any of the higher
levels it should be any different than the accountability that's
experienced at the most local of levels.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
At all levels, the job.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Of the policy makers is to be in service to you,
and not just you specifically, but to a greater community
and what is in the best interests of the of
those people. And when they're not doing it, it's our job,
that's underwritten in the democracy, our job to hold them
to account, not just that election time, but throughout, you know,
throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You're stepping up into something here that really I think
has always been the name of the future, and that
is hosting the podcast because so many times for you
to go and be on a radio station, a talk show,
everybody's gonna look at you so differently if you're on
that radio station. But with this podcast, you get to
be on all sides of the fence.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well you try to break it down
so that people can, says, write all sides of it,
because again, if we allow the lie to be true,
that it's just complicated, and therefore we should leave it
to the adults in the room. Again, we're not served
by not being in the room number one.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But two, we're certainly not served.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
By blacking ourselves out to the realities to quote unquote,
deal with my own issues and then let this run
rough shot it. Power is so all consuming, and I
know this because I've been there, and it becomes very
easy to be protectionists of the power that you've amassed
and not very responsive to the people who put you there.
(07:00):
Because again, at some level, people start to check out
and they trust that what's going on is either you know,
hopefully is in their best interest, but you know what
if it's not. Politicians are all quoked anyway, and that's
why I don't believe in it. A lot of people say,
I don't do politics. Politics are doing.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You every day, so you better do it or it
will get the best of you.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
We're trying to week in and week out remind our audience, Look,
we are real participants in this process, and when they
try to shut us out or we're not invited in.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Let's get in there.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And if we don't have a table to sit that,
we're going to sit down at the floor at whatever
is going on, so we can keep watch and we
can advocate, and we can get from this here democracy.
The things that we know are necessary for the building
and the strengthening, for the protection for the aspirational future
that we have for ourselves, our family, our kids are
parodit in our future. That's the stuff that we're in
(07:51):
service to. And if you're not in service to that,
then I can't imagine why would have you in any
seat making any decision about, you know, the well being
of my.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Future and the future of the people who I love
and care about. So we're required to show up. We
are required to raise hell when it's necessary.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
We're required to applaud quite frankly, when things are going
the way that we want them to. And we're also
entitled to stream and shout and make well known our
presence and our disapproval when those things are not happening.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
In our interest, Please do not move. There's more with
Andrew Gillim coming up next. The name of the podcast
is Native Land Pod, where with Andrew Gillim, I think
this is a gut check what we're going through right
now in the way that so many people are either
living in their past or they're so far into the
future thinking that this is what I'm going to be,
this is what I want to be. Da da da
da da da. And what's going on with our modern
(08:45):
day reality, with things being torn apart like they are,
is that we have to be in the present and
things are going to come out of the ashes, and
we need people like you to step through and say
we need to make a voice here. Do not trust
that person over there, because who are they right?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
For sure?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Or and moreover, what are they getting from this thing?
And whatever it is they're getting, is it in there?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Is it in their pleasure or is it in the
pleasure of us?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yep, And I don't mean that in a in a
how do you say, it's sort of an enjoyment sense
and your pleasure in that sense, I'm saying, is it
in your best interest?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Is it in service to us? Does it does this
action yield.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Something that's better for the people, or does it tend
to make it worse. And my experience is if you're
feeling the pain of it, trust and believe that other
people out there are also feeling the pain. But the
shame of having to talk about it to bring it
forward is what keeps so many of us outside the
system or silent or chagrined from it, because you know,
we we sort of begin to isolate when these bad
(09:46):
times come down on us. But I rest rest as
sure there are other people who experience it too, And
the importance of knowing that is then you can start
to take the blame off yourself and sometimes start to
recognize that this system is operating to achieve this outcome,
and who's in charge of that system and who's.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Making these things move the way they're moving.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But you know, to become really I think curious, and
after that curiosity become active around how we've been this thing.
So that's in service to us, you know, in our futures.
Too many of us right now are out here in
these streets just surviving. We're trying to achieve harm reduction
and the goal of a democracy, of an aspirational society
(10:25):
of the greatest you know, country and all the land,
is that you can be aspirational. And the truth is
is then you could experience a life that is not
one of you surviving, but one of you thriving. When
do we get back to thriving? It once happened before,
and now we're not having it. And it's our job,
through Native Lampard, to remind people that harm reduction and
(10:49):
just trying to get by is not good enough. It's
never been good enough. It's time for your your dreams
and the kids, you know, the dreams of your kids
to be able to be possible again. If that's home
owned good if that's working a job that pays you
are ways that you can work and take a vacation
every once in a while, then that's what it becomes.
But you know, getting up to just to pay the
(11:10):
bills is and motivating anybody in any real sense. Right,
We need to get back to that sense of the
American dream. What is possible for us to actually dream
and then have that dream come a reality. And it
requires work on our part, but it also requires work
on the parts of institutions that are co conspiring day
in and day out. So that all we do is
(11:32):
continue to be people who are just surviving. I don't
want a country of survivors. I want a country of dreamers, believers,
doers who achieve those things and again move.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Us all higher.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Do you not think, though, that we are cheating the
system of thriving as you call it by now, I'm
not knocking instacart, but I'm telling you that's the easy
way out for people who just want to get a job,
They want to get something done.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Thriving means guts, it means is sweat, it means dirt
underneath your fingernails. I mean, we've got the only way
we're going to get out of this is, like you said,
we've got to be able to get into the hunger
of thriving.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, you know, raw. You sound like my dad.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
My dad growing up as a construction work and my
mom drove school bus and and and they worked together
to take care of their seven headed kids.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I was number five of the seven.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And my dad, when I kind of elected the city council,
said this ain't real work. You ain't sweating, daddy, I
promise you I am. I'm spent at the end of
every you know Day said this even end, But the
truth is is that you know, he received, you know,
sort of work input, and then what they output is
(12:38):
from that by basically sort of the grit of the day.
And you know how much he sweated, how much callous
is you know how many more calluses did he add
to his hand and his feet? And I and I
get that, and I think I adopted that and apply
that in the field of politics, you know, with with
sort of a different set of about Yeah, I have
callouses too, and yeah, the day is hard fought and
(12:59):
hard wone on or harder loss in some experiences. But
I think more than anything, what I took as a
lesson from it is that we all have to put
our shoulders to the wheel that you know, you know,
this idea of you can just watch it and see
is an idea that is a luxury for most people.
We don't have the luxury of just watching and seeing bigs.
Oftentimes we're the ones on the serving plate. So it
(13:22):
requires us to lean in take the wheel, understand, And
yes it does require a little bit of work, but
that's exactly the system that we operate under, one that
requires the engagement.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And involvement of all of us.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
And as it relates to the folks who want to thrive,
just saying it isn't enough.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You have to do faith without worst is dead. We
know that.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But also what has to exist are the opportunities on
the other side of that hard work that you can
then strive for. And in a system where it seems
that the government is co conspired to create more billionaires, right,
which is still you know, a small class us under
a hundred necessarily and far fewer than that in other nations.
But but but but when they get become content with
(14:08):
creating a world of you know, of just a few billionaires,
and the rest of us become in service to those people,
think about it. I mean all our information communications system,
you know in this country largely run by a single man.
You know. Similarly, you know, you've got billionaires now buying
up newspapers who determine what it is that we read,
(14:28):
owning networks that determine and mitigrate what is truth and
what is not truth. And what we don't know about
that is that the most always, whatever the outcome is,
is to their, to their benefit, and not ours. So
I think we have to become more curious about things
more circumspect, but also recognize that there are some facts
here and they're not alternative facts, because alternatives to effects
(14:52):
are not facts their lives, they're untruths. And we got
to have a bedrock somewhere. And the assault on what
is truth in this country has been well under the
way over the past several decades, and its real goal
is to get us to the point where we trust nothing,
believe nothing, and check out of everything.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And we've got to do the exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Do you think that we lack engagement? And the reason
why I bring that up is because every time that
I'm at the grocery store, the one thing that we
do as a group is that we make sure that
there's one engagement question. And yesterday's engagement question to every
one of our guests was what's more important? Love or money?
My God, that created a lot of conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Oh wow, oh wow, I mean I would I would,
of course declare that of a dichotomy. I resist dichotomies
that I think there's always a third way or fourth
way to fifth way, sixth way, And so you would
be very irritated with me. I'd say, you know, I
can have them both right. I strive for for wealth
(15:51):
and safety and convenience, and I'm gonna love myself through
it right all the way and everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Else you know who I care for.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
But I can imagine that take up a lot of
residents with people love it, don't money love.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
What's what's lasting about one of these or the other.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I can't wait for the hear the results on that one,
Bill uh and Era.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
So where can people go to find out more about you?
Because what you're doing is you're connecting not only your
local community, but people around this nation and around the
world are going to really touch you.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, for sure, and we want them to.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
We invite them to Native Lampard is available anywhere you
listen to your podcast and also obviously on the iHeart
radio app you can tune in.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
There's a lot of noise out there, y'all.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
There's a lot of of sources that really can't be trusted.
I can tell you this much. Whether you agree with
us or disagree with us, we're not going to be
self selective about the facts. The fact is a fact.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I think it's the.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Job of it is the service referee as benchmark that
that you can then measure where you are against her
for or whatever the question may be. And when we're
gonna try and help you navigate through what people, politicians
and news out, let's try to tell us it's too confusing,
or too nuanced, or too challenging. The truth is is
that all of that is an invitation for you to
(17:10):
check out, and we want you to check in. Our
democracy requires you to check in. So we're going to
try and break those things down so that you realize
it is actually not that hard. Yes, this down trieden
experience I'm having is connected to this other thing, which
is connected to this other thing yep. And we've got
to get to the source of it. And so Native
Lampod is here to help you get to the source
of it. And in these moments where we feel really
(17:31):
rejected and dijected, you know that we figure out a
way home, that there's a way we can navigate ourselves
back to the center of this thing. But it will
take some work, and we're here to you know, almost
as guide posts to help our folks through it.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Please come back to the show anytime in the future, Andrew.
The door is always going to be open for you.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Thank you for that, Erro, and keep doing your hard
work and encouraging and inspire people to stay in this thing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Okay, yes, sir, I'm working on it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Er
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