Episode 291 | The People’s Bishop: What It Really Means to Lead with Love | Guest: Bishop Foreman - Authentic Talks 2.0 with Shanta

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Authentic Talks two point zero. I'm your host, Chante. Generally,
I'm so glad that you're here tuning in with me today.
I really am you, guys, this is one of those
conversations that stays with you long after it ens. We're
talking about purpose, transformation, leadership, faith, finances, wellness, and what

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it truly means to change lives, not just lead people.
Today's guest is known as the People's Bishop, and the
title didn't come from a platform, a pulpit, or a position.
It came from the people. He's a pastor, author, entrepreneur, philanthropist,

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a coach whose life mission is simple but powerful. If
it changes lives, it's a yes. In this conversation, we
go deep. We talk about embracing what makes you different,
breaking generational cycles, holistic leader, faith in real life, mental health,

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you guys, money, physical transformation, and why leadership is measured
by results not titles. This is an honest, thought provoking,
inspiring dialogue that reminds us that faith is a lifestyle,
not a performance, and that every one of us has
the capacity to be a history maker. So take a

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again that could benefit from today's episode. And here we
are you guys, with episode to ninety one. I'm super
excited we are back with an amazing guest. Please welcome
Bishop Kevin Foreman. Two Authentic Talks two point zero. Authentic

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Talks is all about authentic conversations. This show is all
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this is the podcast for you and I am your host. Chante.
Welcome to the show. Hi, Bishop Foreman, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Before we dive in, can I have you introduce yourself
to our listeners. Please.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
The People's Bishop is what they call me. I love
the people that I lead. I lead the harvest soon
to be history makers search. We're turning that into the
next phase of what we do here in the months
to come. But I'm a pastor, philanthropists, entrepreneur, business owner, coach.
I do a little bit of everything. My purpose for
existing is to change lives. So if it changes lives,

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it's a green light for me.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh, I love it. There's so much I want to
talk to you about. I got to make sure that
I cover all the areas. The People's Bishop. How did
that name come about?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know what? It's literally? People said it because you
can like crowds and not like people. And we live
in a culture where lot of people like crowd but
they don't really like people. I have different I love
people and I've always been that way.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
The joke is, I came up to my mom with
room with the Bible and a briefcase. I had this
affinity towards spirituality, and this affinity towards business and entrepreneurship
and organizations and building things and mon Agua and so
from a kid into Now. I have always been that way.
I was in middle school having an aunt ridge walk
around in the courtyard because I was in school president,

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student counts president or whatever, and so I'd be walking
around checking on the students. You're good, everything good, and
thing a right. And then I go into the princidental
officers and we need to meet. We got some issues
with the books over here, and we need to talk
about this. Like I was just always that kid. I
was the kid that where most people want to be
a kid I hang out with the kids. I was
the one that I wanted to be around the teachers.
What's second grade during third grader or fourth grader?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
What's they're grade papers?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Like?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I was just different and I recognized that my difference
is where a lot of people running from what makes
them different. But your difference that's actually the thing you're
supposed to do in Earth. Most people run from it.
I ran into it.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Oh, I love it. I know that you're an author.
You have like five books out. You were voted as
like the number one.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Bishop influential or African Americans.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I think, yeah, you were born in Colorado as well?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Were you born in din raised? The benefits back to
the work. Now I'm in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
In Atlanta, now, yeah, now you know that there's a
difference between like serving people versus truly transforming lives. And
what was the shift? When did you have that shift
into like realizing that you were more of someone that
was like, Okay, so I know that you're a natural
born leader, but like people who typically lead, there's a

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Do you believe that there is a difference between leading
and transforming?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Absolutely? I think you could leave with the intent to transform.
And for me, that's how I operate everything I do
is like what are the results? If this isn't going
to change somebody's life, then what are we doing before?
And I think that's part of our frustration even kept
going up, you know in church. You know, so at
twelve a set of my first business at twelve, but
I also got into the ministry as well. Twelve Yeah

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at twelve, Wow, Yeah, I get I was different and
I learned to just embrace that difference. And for me, though,
I would always look at tough I like, why are
we doing this if it's not working, Like, if it's
not getting results, why are we doing it? And results
in the lives of the people So I definitely think
one can lead, but not be a transformative leader. If
you're not changing something, that what's the need for you?

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If you're going to be like everybody else, then what's
the need for you?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah? What does that look like when there's like true transformation?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right? So you can lead, right, which just means you
got somebody following, doesn't mean their lives are getting better,
doesn't mean their lives are being impacted because where you're
leading the two. A leader doesn't mean a good thing
hill there was a leader meading people of good stuff,
right right? A leader just being a leader doesn't mean
that you're leading people to good things, or you're leading

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people to transformation, or you're leading people to be better.
You can lead people down a negative pen like that's
the whole concept of pure pressure. You're being led by
somebody to do something that's straight. So being a transformative
leader says the leading that I'm doing it has results
in goal is the betterment of this person's life, of
their spirit, of their fight. For me, I like to
be what I call a three sixty leader. I like

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every area of a person's life to be impacted, not
just your faith. But let's keep your finances together too,
when your money is funny and your change of strengths
their challenges. Let's get your business together, family together, like
all of the aspects of life. But the gospel is
good news, and the good news that the bad news
is wrong. But the good news should permeate every area
of your life. Let's sum it up a transformative leader.

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Everything we do, the goal is results in.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh, that's good stuff. I would have to take that
one about money one, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Take it. Look, just give me credit for the first
two times that absolutely you saw.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
You you got absolutely you know. Now I've read something
that said, but you lost like ninety pounds or ninety
five pounds and.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, so now it's course, are to like one hundred
and twenty Wow? Yeah. So I was in the south
of Memphis and so we look different. So you know,
I was husky, a solid what do they call it, stuff,
whatever they call it. I carried it like a middle
linebackery for the chargers of the Falcons. But I remember
one day I would do the two morning services. I

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have a teen love with them, do whatever media and
after I'd be tired, and I said, I don't want
to be Sometimes you see preachers, you see pastors, you
see leaders. I just preaching pastors of leaders executive when
I but they're not in shape. And one to be
the issue was how is it that you can teach
a thing but then not live the thing that you
teach in your physical body. Not that you have to

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be perfect, cause they're not preaching you, but to me,
it was like it was very difficult to listen to
someone like, well, don't you think maybe you should start
these lessons at home, you know, with yourself, you know,
and did it there. But then secondly I was like,
this is not good and preaching these two messages and
by the time I get home, I am war out.
I take that nap, I'll wake up, I go eat,

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and then I don't back slate. And this is not good.
So I said, God, I want to live a long, healthy, anointed,
prosperous life. And I said, I've tried to thing slim, slow, slim, fast, protein, power,
eat all the carbs you well, don't eat, no carbs.
Rake this model, don't break this model, take it. It's
not everything. Nothing worked for me. So I literally one
day prayed. I said that I didn't have to give
me a strategy because I've tried everything else and nothing

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else has worked for me. Unloked the name of what
you do, because sometimes we're not authentic, the meaning that
we like to leave out the parts of the story
that actually make it good. I tried everything else that
worked for everybody else, but will work for them, didn't
work for me. For somebody listening or watching right now,
that's re frustration. You're trying what everybody else does, but
it's not necessarily going to work for you. I remember

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it's an end of a twenty one day Daniel Fast
we were doing. It's basically fruits investibles. I said, God,
you got to give me a strategy from me, because
I've tried everybody else's strategy. It's not worked. Turn it
on Netflix. There's a documentary on there about I can't
even tell you which what it is because I haven't
been able to find it. That was twenty thirteen I
saw that. I haven't been able to find it since then.
It's not on there. I haven't been able to find it.

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That documentary changed my life. At night, cold Turkey, you
gotta stop eating fast food. I stopped eating after six
before intermitted fasting was the thing I changed my whole
diet around. Within three months, I lost the first seventy
five pounds. Wow. A couple of months after that an
additional twenty pounds, and now the total we lost like
one hundred and twenty something pounds. I incorporated in twenty

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twenty two. I incorporated was just just training, fitness training,
but up until that point it was a diet, and wobee,
that was it. The principle there is you can't out
train a bad diet. Sometimes I heard a saying that
I love your mouth is the most important thing on
your body because what goes into it determines your health,
what comes out of it determines your wealth.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Wow, I love it. So you literally are practicing what
you preach when you talk about being a holistic Yeah, Bishop.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. And I think that's
important because for so many people faith believe christient it.
It can be difficult because it's it's just this one area,
but that permeates every other area of life. It becomes
easy because it's a lifestyle, not a hobby.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Right. I love it. I know that you wrote a
few books as well. Can we talk about what inspired
you to write a book, and what is it that
you would hope readers would take away from your books?
You have about five of them out there, right, So.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
The first one making money moves that aren't getting your
finances in order. I wrote that book. So by the
time I was twenty one, I built Denver's largest black
gone real estate finance program. So far as we're just
going wow. And then that industry collapse? Was it just
my company? The entire industry collapse? I went through that
process and said, God, if you showed me how to
get out of this, I will tell everybody else, which

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you showed me. He did, and I came back bigger,
better and stronger. I wrote the lessons down. I know
what it is to go from a whole lot of
something to a whole lot of nothing to a whole
lot more with something, and know that journey. I know
what it is to take nothing and turn it into something.
A lot of people on social media talk the talk,
but they don't necessarily have the walk or the receipts.

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Not knocking anybody for their journey, but a friend of
mine told me, he said, you literally have the receipt
and you don't talk enough about what you do and
what you have. So that has inspired this whole thing
to where we started measuring the number of new sixty
seven figure owners that we create. One of my recent mentees,
our business started three years ago, our business first quarter
this year top to a million dollars. He's done it

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for the last three years. But that tongue of stories
like that, coaching people, pouring into people. That book Making
Money Moves talks about the lessons that I learned. That's
when Amazon, but it's also a bishophf for when I Come.
I did another book, Sims of the Father's Breaking Generational Curses.
Generational curses basically dysfunctional pattern of your behavior passed down

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and direct. And so the opening stories about my stepfather
who was an abuse, It was a womanizer, was abusual,
it was a cheetah and what's that song? Good lie
and cheatah houtbreaking to see like all of that.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
They have so many songs out there about that, right, you.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Know, he was all of that, and so he ended
up being just like his father or man. He never
read because it was spiritual. I'm a curse breaker and
your audience curse breakers. There's something we've done that we're
the first to do it in our blood line. There's
something we've done where we interrupted the pattern of dysfunction.

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But how do you do that in every area of
your life? That book since the Fathers teach us how
to do that. The latest one is called history Makers,
how to Change the World for where you are, and
then the one called Evolutionaries Unlocking the New You tons
of books, and let me say this. I write my
books for people who really love to read, because there's
a lot of people who really love to read, so
that there's the depth and the meat that's there. But

(13:37):
I also write my books for people who hate to read,
so they're not very long. My books are simple. There's
a lot in terms of the approach and the message,
but very profound at the same time. So you know,
history Makers is the latest one. All of them are
bishop before We're got to come or on Amazon if
they want to get up forsical copy or e books
or whatever. But they're real practical stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I love that the one that's the recent one that
you wrote, history Makers is what is that about? Like
literally like history makers in our era of like or
I think.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
So many times we are we look at it and
I love what you just said, actually, you set it
up perfect. So many times we look at it and
say they can make history, they can make history. They go,
what this person is doing? They go dispersed? Why not you?
You can't tell me you survive what you survived, you've
been through, what you've been to, just pay bigles, have
babies and die. You cannot tell me that that's what

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you're on the earth for. You cannot tell me that
because I will not believe that you survived for a purpose.
You survived for a reason. And so it's about empowering
everybody to see the history maker in them. My mom's
a history maker.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Has she ever got on the stage and spoke? Nope?
Does she ever build a college? Some scratch dope? Does
she build a church and scratch? Nope? Does she built
multimnion dollar businesses? Some scratch dope? But you know what
she did. She birthed a history maker and she powered me.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
She make me here with that. I used to go
to these like what do you call it for? Yeah,
where everybody snaps and I'll leave out of there. I
couldn't even snap for like days. After that, we had
the birth a history maker.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Didn't just birth, But then nurture. My mother's greatest gift
to me, because people will sometimes say, like, you turned
out so at all my mother's children, or you turned
out so well that you did this, you did that,
and I will say that it's her greatest gift to
me was that she knew that I was different and
she did demonize it. She actually got out of my way.
I was a fan of the boy, but that bad

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behavior was just the leader and the leadership in me
that it was mister Rag. She was amazed. She still has.
My mother's my greatest fan to this day, after every
message that every copse will send the text, you know
all of that, and you know she's a mom, so
you know moms do mom stuff. But she's amazing and
so I use her as an example the old ma'am. Well, ma'am,

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you're not just the mom. You're a history making mom.
What you for doing, what you produce will change the world.
And there's even more than just what you'll produce right
how you do it, the way you do it, And
you're more than just a mom. You're you're a business woman,
you're a mobile, you're a this year that every person
should recognize you were literally created by God to make

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history in the earth. And the moment you realize that
is the moment life becomes fun.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Wow. I love it because being a bishop, I find
that we have a tendency to place you automatically on
a pedistal and you know, it's like truth, right, and
then when you and it's like you have this I
don't know if it's like fairy tale type for lack
of a better word, it's like you see them not

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a pedof stal literally what is a pedal still, it's
sitting out above like everyone else. And so like when
and it's like you see them in this light of
like the things that you're describing, but you're even above
like that probably to many people, because it's not very
many biships are leaders that you hear about that are

(17:02):
well round it in that way where they're giving people
information that's going to help them be successful through their finances. Normally,
it's like draining the swamp almost right, like in some
ways because like you're naturally giving like the church anyway,
you know, like most people. But typically you'll find that

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most people will feel like it's draining them versus like
building them up in one area but draining them in
another Yeah, there's like no balance. Do you find that,
like the churches starting to grow again and come back together,
because I know during COVID there was like everybody was home,

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and then after COVID it was hard for people to
get back into the group of things.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
You're right, you know, So I think it's a great question,
and I think really there's been a transformation. I think COVID, well,
it was horrible in terms of the loss of life
and the things that happened. What it did, it showed
many people that you have to evolve, a purs evolution
like that, and the church is all of those things
that has to evolve. We were always pretty outbye GRD.

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We always had apps. We were always streaming, like we
started streaming back by stream music called like two thousand
dollars a month. You know, eat the coding computer and
you know it was like a whole thing. Now you
just push the button and you doing everything whatever, But
back then it was not that simple. So but you know,
we were always you know, a guard in that way.
And I think part of that is because denvers forty

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six out of fifty from lower search attend to the nation.
It's four percent African Americans, so not a lot of
ethnic cultural diversity. So we knew if we're only trying
to reach people here, like it's over gave over, because
you've got to reach beyond that. I think there's been
great transformation and the church isn't a monolith. And so
when you're saying our church, you know generally that's the

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body of Christ, but you've gotten so many things, like
you got the hands, you got the hay, you got
the ears you got to feed you and those it's
the bodies. So you got all these different parts that
play different things. So when I look at the church,
I see you know, I can only speak to what
we do in the part we play. We're seeing great hunger.
You know, we've seen well over this year alone, well

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over sixty nine professions of favor New Christians and our
existence well over twelve thousand. We're seeing, you know, every day,
people are thirsty.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
People are hungry, you mean hungry and thirsty like for the.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Word or the word.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, there is like a little hungry going on. I
was like, which one?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
But we speak to that too though, all right, So
we address those needs too. You know, we're very big
about making sure we meet the practical needs. But we're
saying that, you know, there's a there's a great desire
for spirituality, and there's a great desire for growth. And
because we're hyperchurch and buildings and the line, we're not
boun by the traditional ways that many people were because

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again for many movid don't you know, they couldn't open
them doors. Yeah, everything was like they don't's do. For us,
it was just like this is just another week because
we've been doing this is how we move, how we flow,
and just so for us, we're seeing great growth the
Body of Christ as a whole. I think it's the
same thing. A lot of what you see on social media,

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you know, it's stuff that you know is algorithmically generated
to send to us. People always want to see the negative.
But for every negative story, for every negative thing that
there are thousands of non negative things, lives changed every day,
lives being impacted every day. So I'm a pro church guide.
I know this is the church. God has been good

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to me. It's the church perfect. Nope, because you in it,
I'm in it, people are in it. That's why. So
it ain't never gonna be perfect. You know, how people
got experience surcher, I've experienced it. I know what it is,
but I've experienced it on both sides. I've experienced it
as a shepherd leading people, as a pastor, I've experienced
it as a sheep. So to speak at a congregation,

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and can I tell you most of my herd came
as a shepherd from the sheep because sheep have tea
and some sheep have grills and they will bite you know, yeah,
so you know is it perfect? No? But is your
job no? Is your marriage no? Are your kids no?
I think I know. Sometimes the church, unfortunately and unfairly,
people can have things to say that are sometimes of

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a negative or non pleasant nature. That that same judgment
and that same standard isn't applied to anything else in life.
But the reality is lives have been changed today.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I know that you have the Harvest Foundation and you've
helped thousands. What has been the thing that surprised you
the most?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
You know how much need there is in the lives
of people. Sometimes you'd never know. I remember one of
the most exciting things we did, so when I lost
all that weight, we bust in a bunch of men
from a shelter because I gave away all of my clothes.
So I literally I'm gonna be honest with you. I
was like, OK, God, like this is students, this is
nice stuff, Like let me put an open assignment or

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something like, let me trying to get this forward, like
let's take it to that, you know, the second times
to or whatever they call it. All like, let me
do that. I literally remember I was driving down this street,
the Corrado Boulevard is the name of it in Denver.
I heard doors give it all, and so I called
one of my staffers and I said, we're gonna do
We're gonna give all, not just my stuff, I said,

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the other people reading this stuff. So we're gonna give
a bunch of closed ways. I mean, I give the
people trash. Just because people are in transition doesn't mean
that they're less than. They're gonna be truated with respect.
They're going to be treated with dignity because this their president,
is that permanent. And so we bust in a bunch
of men, and I had the privilege of put it.
Can I say it that way? Because I still remember,

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like it was yesterday for many of these men putting
their first suit on some of these men were fifty
sixty seventy, never had a suit off, showing them how
to tie your time. I had the privilege of fitting
these men, young men, every age, every background, getting them
in suits, get them in clothes. I gave away everything.
I literally went on. I went to a home to
a closet that was totally empty. I had once and

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I had a whoop pair of jeans, you know, sir,
because I have to give everything. I give everything ware
and it's amazing since then, brands, I haven't bought article
of clothing that was twenty thirteen. I haven't bought an
article of clothing in roughly twelve years. Wow, people, I've
never met Siddy clothes. There's not a week that goes

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by that I'll get some things unsolicited, brand person whatever,
it sends me something and that bless is made and
it's just amazing to me. So that's one of many
stories that stand out because I remember a lot of
those guys leaving with bags of clothes and just to
see the joy on their faces that like, you know,

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they can go to a job interview and don't have
to wear you know, jeans. You know, they can go
to suit but whatever it might be. It brought me
such joy even talking about it now I can remember.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I felt that too when you talk about it, How
do you find the time to your a pastor you
have like so many a coach and you're actually coaching
people like where you're you also open yourself up for
one on one.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you know that's a great question.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
To me.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
It's not so much how do you find the time,
it's how do you make the time? I think that
we make time for what we want to and for me,
now you know different, everybody's got a different philosophy. My
philosophy is this you could resk when you did. And
so what I mean by that is not that you
run yourself racket out on mean there, It just means

(24:31):
I have and we all have twenty four hours of
a day. Think about this way. Your sleep for about
eight hours of those days. Most people work for another
eight hours of that day. You only get to really
influence at third of your day. So just think about
your life. If this is a person is gross ninety
years old, just use that you really only got to

(24:53):
impact thirty of those years where you got to do
something you wanted to do. When you view it, that
way you view life to the lens of you know,
they said the average man in America lives to be out.
It's like seventy seventy seven falls, seventy seven winters, seventy
seventh summers, seventy seven springs. When you view it that way,
it makes you say, I gotta do as much as

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I can while I can.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
So life is to be leved and not just watched.
And that's how I view it. Or make the time
for what I want to make the time for. I
rearrange my schedule to adjust to the things that I
want to do. These conversations are important to me.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
So right now the time of recording this, it's evening time,
it's been full day. But look my energy. I don't
look at who I'm so tired. My energy is on
ten because I'm full of light. And this is literally
we always act. This is literally me all the time.
The only time I'm not like this is when I'm
cleaning up my email. But I gotta get that back about.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I don't want to talk about the emails the top.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I have to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
It look amazing though, I think that you get you're
doing a great job, you know, and I love the
fact that you have it together, like how you were
sharing that there was just something about you, and I've
heard other people say there was something about me and
I lost it along the way. And the fact that
you was able to stay steadfast, And I know that

(26:21):
doesn't mean that you did not have challenges that you
faced in your life. You know, it means that, like
you were able to be resilient.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yes, you know can I just thought this sitting there too. Absolutely,
anything that can't be tested shouldn't be trusted. And all
of us are going to go through moments, seasons, months, years.
I love what you just said. It sparked something where
you feel like you lost it. It's like what am
I doing? What am I supposed to be doing? And

(26:50):
I think it's in those moments that those become transitional,
pivotal moments. And for me, I'll be one hundred. There
have been moments I have only said, God, is any
of this reel? It's any of this reel? Like it's
any of this real? Like you know, what are we doing?
There have been moments where I say, God, okay, am
I supposed to be doing this? Like, you know, because

(27:13):
if I could go do something else, tons of I'm
not doing this without nothing else to do.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
What was it that made you ask those questions?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, normally it's frustration. Frustration normally forces us to confront
any areas where there's doubt, any areas where there is
something unresolved, anything where there's something we need to focus on.
Frustration makes you focus, and so in those moments, you know,
tons of frustrating things. You know again big a pastor,

(27:41):
for example, you deal with a lot of hurt. People
can celebrate you on one day the best thing since
Las's bread, and the next day please the most people
from your email list like what happened? Like it does that?
But you can do things for people. I have paid rent,
I have paid mortgage, I have bailed people down. I
have covered the people and navigated them through some of
the most challenging of circumstances and situations, and many times

(28:05):
not even be given a thank you. That comes with
the ortment, It comes with the See. What I recognize, though,
is whenever I find myself in frustration, I live life
as a student. That's my velocity. So whenever I find
myself in those situations, my approach is good to learn
from this, Okay, that's nice. You were made at re upset,
you were frustrated, just like your good logo, grow from this,

(28:26):
because you can go through something or you can grow
through and choose the Latin.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh, I love that. That is so true. It's so true.
I know that. Now this next question you don't you know,
I just you don't have to answer this, because okay,
but I have to ask what all the things that
we're going through right now where we have like the
politics where it feels like it's just kind of taking

(28:54):
over the news, and then we have like we're hearing
a lot about what's called national and then they're saying
like that there's the Christianity being brought into play, and
then you hear like it at times some of the
messages almost sound contradictory, where on one hand they're talking

(29:16):
about like God and quoting Bible scriptures, and then on
the other hand it's sounding like there's hate or division
like that's being brought in it. And I know, like
when politics exist, you know where it exists at times
it is exactly that politics, you know, But what is
your view on the mix of that, the messages, how

(29:40):
they're sounding, and what message would you have for our
listeners as to how they could continue to walk in
faith and love and stay in the light, you know, Yeah,
when it feels like at times we're being lit to

(30:00):
almost hate.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I think I understand it, just to what you say.
And this is why, you know, even when you say Christian,
it means so many different things to so many different people.
Based on the Baga, Christian nationalism is the merger of
Christianity and American nationalism. Right. The nationalism is celebrating the
country of origin, celebrating their nationality. Christian nationalism says that

(30:25):
your nationality is an American is merged with your Christianity. Right, Well,
first of all, let's just debulk and deconstruct that. Number one,
Jesus is not an American, Okay, So the Bible is
not an American book. So the concept of Christian nationalism,
let's call the deeper, it's the same thing. And I'm
just I'm just gonna go here and I encourage people

(30:46):
to be students in history. It's the same thing Hitler
did when he wanted to galvanize the country against Wooden
group of people. Is they merged this German nationalism. He
literally began to preacher and the leaders that were there
in Germany, they would literally have their messages scrubbed for
their approval. You can preach this, you can't preach this.

(31:09):
You can preach this, you can't preach this. We live
in a culture now where people are doing it in
the message. Don't have to be scrubbed Christian nationalism. Your
nationality is inferior to your spirituality. On black period bottom lie,
Jesus makes it very clear, my kingdom is not of
this world. That doesn't mean you have to hate America.
But do not think that because you're an American, somehow
you're better than somebody else, somehow God loves you more

(31:32):
than somebody else. And what I hate is when Christianity
is weaponized against other groups of people you don't believe
like us, you're this, you're this. You can't legislate morality,
you cannot, and so trying to use in regardless of
political party. If I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat,
I'm an independent. I vote for who's gonna give results,

(31:53):
And the moment you don't get results from me is
time for you to go and will vote against my
own interest. Unfortunately, many Christians do. They vote against their
own interest because of one or two issues. You know,
maybe it's the gay marriage, or it's abortion, or it's this,
or it's that, and these couple of issues are used
to literally get people to vote against their own interests
in many instances. And everybody's got to do their own

(32:14):
research and everybody's got to do their own due diligence
to see what's best for them. However, you do not
get to say you're not a good Christian because you
didn't vote for this Republican you're not a good Christian
because you don't support this policy. You do not get
to say that you don't run Heaveny, you don't run Hell.
You barely can run yourself. The best thing you need
to do is they carry your house, but not try

(32:34):
to weaponize I be I'll be very honest. You can
see I got fired up about that. I loathe the
weaponization of Christianity against people that they make people think
we're all Christians to this way.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
No, and that's what I'm hearing. That's what like for
people that might not be familiar with it, because right
now it's almost like this wave is happening where it
sparked the interest of people who I know a few
people who have said to me that they don't believe
in any of that. There's no spirituality, no anything. But

(33:08):
with all of this coming out, it's all of a
sudden sparked in interest where they're like, well, what is this?
Let me look into it. It's a little bit different,
you know what I mean than what I'm even used
to understanding. And it's like, that's not the way I
was raised, you know, where there's this separation of people
in bringing a divide because we were taught that it's

(33:30):
all about love, right, you know, at times, it just
does not sound like that's what that is. So I
was like, well, since you're now interested, I would like
to challenge you to take it a little bit further.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
You go, yeah, anything that creates questions again, I think
that a faith that can't be tested is a faith
that can't be trusted. So ask the questions, but then
get the answers. And to me, I think that's really
really important. I think some Christians run away from questions,
run away from intellectual discussions. I'm the exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think it's because it was considered as like taboo,
you know, back in the day where you just couldn't
really ask those questions, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, And that's why I love what we get to
do with things like this, is where we get to
address those types of questions, address the things people may
be thinking about, addresed it a real pragmatic, practical way
that doesn't just wave some Coco spirituality over it, but
can give pragmatic answers and can give practical answers. I

(34:31):
think it's the best thing. That it's remarkable, which is
why to me, anything that sparks interest is a good
thing because at the end of the day, the way
I like to do it is this, one out of
one people is gonna die. That's the statistics. Everybody, Ok,
eventually one percent of people are going to exit. Their
question is are you willing to risk? And this is

(34:54):
not even a fear tactics, just a question are you
willing to risk eternity whatever that looks like, based on
you know, the fact that you may have a question
or well, how do we know this? I don't know,
how do we know that? So basically because sometimes we'll
have more faith than things that we know nothing about.
And then sometimes when it comes to God and spirituality,
it's like, well, I don't know. You got in that car.

(35:16):
You didn't see who built it. You didn't see how
they made it. You didn't see to put that seabult
in there, that you literally will risk your life and
an automobile taking somebody else's word for you. Go to
a restaurant and sit down. You didn't see the chef,
whether or not they wash their hands. You don't know
whether or not that bode is rest. But you will

(35:36):
literally have faith in someone. Wait a minute, you've never
seen that buts me out of your sight. But you
can see what they prepared for you and set in
front of So to me, when you talk about faith,
A lot of people I don't know. I don't know.
Yes you do, Yes, you do, Yes, you do. And
let the questions come, you know, let God answer those
questions for you, let them reveal themselves to you. But

(35:59):
back to your point, Jesus said, the greatest commandment love
the Lord you're down, all your heart, soul and strength.
The second is like it, love your neighbor as yourself,
which means as as a mathematical equation, I can't give
love to another if I don't first give it to me.
Some people are good at I love God, I hate you.
Gotta love you. Oh, I love and you know I

(36:19):
love I love God. Yeah, but you don't love other people.
You can't say that you love God and you cheat
other people. I trust.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
What is your take on our mental health in all
today society?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Oh goodness, I think for many people, you know, your
mind is part of your soul. Your soul is comprised
of your thoughts, your mind, your will, your emotions. Your
soul needs restoration. David said it like this where he
restores song twenty three. He restores my soul. In other words,
like I got to go through a process. My mind

(36:51):
has been scattered in so many places. I got to
go through a process where he puts it back together.
So I think mental health therapy meant health counseling. I
think all of those things are great tools and resources
to help person along their journey. You're not weak because
you need help. You're wise because you need help. You're

(37:12):
not And you know, a lot of times people think, oh,
I don't need all that. I don't need to coach,
I don't need to counsel. I don't need there's no
may somebody to talk to you. I don't need to
talking about bestess, Sir Mail, you're the main one. You're
the main one that need that. And mental health, again,
there's obviously layers to it. You know, you have certain
things that are psychological, certain things that are psychiatric, gage
differences there. But I think mental health is extremely important.

(37:35):
You see mental health challenges all throughout the Bible, and
you see it all throughout life. So I think recognized
and when help is needed and then tapping into the
help that is available. That is an active faith, it's
not an active weakness.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I love it. I love that because I think that
there is a misconception. Oftentimes you'll hear just pray about it.
You keep praying, keep praying, keep praying, keep praying, pray harder,
you know, fast, you know, and then you'll get your answer.
But it's like if you go to a therapist or
if you go to anything like that, then that means

(38:10):
like you're not trusting and believing or you don't have
faith that God can move in your life. I remember
it was probably maybe like fifteen years or a little
bit more ago that we knew some people that were
like they could not go it was just like not
allowed through their church. It was like they couldn't go
and get that additional help back then where it was

(38:31):
like it was seen as like you don't trust God.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Wow, you know, And unfortunately I hear a lot of
people who think that way, have heard that been taught
that way. Jesus said, greater works than the saw you do.
That's what he said for us, and so which means
that the way he did it will do greater. And
so what does that mean in a very pragmatic way,
is that that means your mental health journey doesn't necessarily

(38:57):
need as to lay handy cast to demon Sometimes you
need to talk.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
About mm hmmm. I love talk therapy.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
You speak, the're talking. My greatest therapy is good conversation
because good conversation and the word there literally just means
to heal. Exodus fifteen twenty six. Gus says he's our,
he learn, but he'll use a variety of different things
to heal. And so to me, talking is one of
my greatest forms of therapy. Physical fitness became the second.

(39:24):
But I can have a conversation with everybody. You know,
you're gonna make sure you're speaking to people who know
what to do with what you say. Some they don't
talk because they're talking to people who don't know what
to do with what they say. Right, it's like giving
your order to some random person on the street that's
not working at the restaurant that knows what to do
with your order. Right, always says iron Sharper, it is iron,
and some you're iron, but you keep talking to aluminum.

(39:47):
So you're speaking to a metal that just can't handle you.
They're speaking to a metal that just doesn't know what
to do with you. So you can't go to everybody
to talk it out. But we have to definitely talk
it out. And there's nothing wrong. And let me say
this synthetically, there's nothing wrong with you as wrong with
your faith if you need to not just take advantage
of you know, therapy and things like that, but even

(40:10):
physical fitness. And they're shooting in physical idel medicines. So
you mean it definitely that God had these people to
create this gad to be there and you I use it.
I'm just and I've heard the Christian Sabbath, you know,
I'm just believing God to heal me great and maybe
this medicine part of that healing.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, I'm definitely believing that, like it's kind of I've
said this before, and I know that my listeners are
going to be like, you said that before, Yes, I did,
and I'm going to say it again. It's kind of
like that story that we heard where someone was like, oh,
you know, God help me, and then like he sent
like a helicopter and yeah, oh no, no, I'm waiting

(40:51):
on God. It was kind of like that because I
expected that help to show up in a specific way.
Reminds me of that. I know that you wrote a
book about money and you've helped people to have success
in their businesses and then get their money right. What
is your take on the saying that we've all heard
that might be misconstrued by many people where it's like

(41:13):
money is the root of all evilness.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, the Bible actually says this the love of money.
The love of money, that's Pirs tiventy sixteen. So it's
not money that's the problem. In fact, if you really
want to be more angry, it's the lack of money
that becomes well, because it's the lack that makes people
do things to go get many of those stings. You
remember the song for the love of money, and so

(41:40):
people will do great to stays. The Bible specifically says,
it's the love of money. Money is not bad. Money
is not evil. Money, it's a resource. What can you
do it? If it might be evil, what you do
with them might be a resource. Because that's what many
people think. That the way you quote it is exactly
what most people think. Oh, money is the root of
all it. Okay, well let's do well. Then, when your

(42:01):
job wants to give you a check on Friday said
this is evil, take this away. What would want would
they want to? You know, when you need to if
you've done some work and somebody needs to pay you
as a client, just don't don't pay me. This is evil.
Nobody would do that.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
We don't really believe that anyhow, because you use that
when they think maybe somebody's getting too much money or
somebody shouldn't have some money. But we don't. No one's
ever really thought that, even if they miscalled it that,
no one ever thought that. But it's the love of money,
which means I can't put God in money at the
same level. I can't worship my money the same way
that I worshiped Literally Jesus said like this, and that

(42:37):
he says you can't serve God and mammon. Mammon is
the spirit of the love of money. He said, you'll
either love one or hate the other. This is crazy
because the only thing Jesus ever compared himself to, We've
loved him money, the only thing you ever compared to.
He said, you can't love me and your money at
the same time. So whence is it going to be?
M Yeah, yeah, but he never said you couldn't have money.

(42:58):
Let's be clear about that, and let's go here and
to give it. Well, that says who we are for
a rich man in Interhaven. That's not what the Bible's are.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
We have heard that, that's not what the Bible says.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
The Bible specifically says. The Bible specifically is talking for
this man where he's got a confidence in his money
and he believes that his money makes him better than
other people. Said, Jesus says, he's going through this whole thing.
He says, well, hey, gives civil examples. He says, we'll
sell all you have and give it. Poor het want
to do that, He was like, well, why I got
a lot of stuff if I don't want to sell it?

(43:26):
In other words, what Jesus was saying, this stuff has you.
I never said you couldn't get new stuff. I never
said that you couldn't buy new stuff. I never said
that you had to always get rid of the stuff.
I just needed you to see that you're so in
love with your stuff that the thought is separating. It
made you say, hmm, the thought not having this stuff
made you sad. That was what Jesus was teaching. And

(43:47):
so no, there's nothing wrong with well, there's nothing wor
over being blessed in nothing world. Bible literary says, he
becating poor that we might become rich. There's nothing wrong
with us having resources as well. Crasiasticy says money answers
all things. You ask yourself, who would want God's people
to not have money? If money is the answer?

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Exactly, it's demonically to not.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Be empowered financially because now you can't answer anything. Now
you've got to run into the government to do this,
and you got to run to this person to do this,
and you gotta run. But when you're empowered financially, you
are the answer.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah, And I'm definitely a strong believer in that. You know,
I don't believe that money is the root of all evils.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Oh, but I didn't even make that in a negative
way for youth. Most people miss Hoote that said money's
the root of all evil. It's root of all evil. No,
it's not. It's a tool.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
It's a resource, definitely a tool.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Now, okay, so I did, Like normally I don't have
questions that are like pre written out or anything like that,
but I did have just like three okay, and I
have them here and they're not like, you know, totally crazy.
It's like in the area of mindset and well being.
And okay, So here's my first question. So you speak

(44:59):
ab well thriving in every aspect of life. What are
your personal daily practices that keep your grounded and mentally strong?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Course, prayer, two affirmations, things that I speak.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I am statements so real quick. When Moses asked God,
what is your name? We know us the God of Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob. Now we call them all these things like,
you know, God, he's a whole life, which is in
the English ray of yahweh. He's this, he's that. You
know what he said his name was? He said, my
name is I am? So anything that follows my m

(45:35):
and I AM statement is like it like I'm putting
God's name on it. I'm putting God's seal on it.
So when you say I'm blank and it's negative, you're
basically cursing yourself. It's an imprecation. It's West golf. It's
a spoken curse against yourself. I'm so and you know
all the negative things. He can says, Oh, you're so tired.
I trained myself. That's doing it right, So tired. I

(45:55):
AM statements, Those affirmations matters. Sometimes I just look at
myself here. I am blessed, I am prosperous, I am strong,
I am bold. Sometimes you need to go hood on it.
I'm that man, I'm that guy. I am prosperous, I
am wise, I'm strong enough. Whatever it might be, those
I AM statements they will keep you not only grounded

(46:17):
that they will also keep you growing.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
I love it. I am huge on affirmations.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, all right, all right, I love that. Okay. So
how can people of faith navigate stress, fear, and or uncertainty,
especially in times of social division and economic challenge?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Number one is, don't make everybody else's problem your problem.
So you know, I'm created to carry my weight, not
your weight, not everybody else's way. And that's not just physically,
that is spiritually, that's emotionally. And so you know, if
you watch the news, if you look at the YouTube feeding,
you look at social media feeding, we're bombarded with negative, negative,

(46:59):
negative data. What I have learned is that I have
to be informed, but don't allow it to be imparted
into me. So I need the information, but I don't
need the spirit. I don't need the energy behind it.
I don't need the emotion behind it. Let me get
the data, and they go to make decisions based off
of that data. For some, you're only stress because you're

(47:20):
taking on like you're taking on what you're going through,
the spirit of it. So it's difficult, you become difficult, negative,
you become negative, But don't take on the spirit of
what you're going through, which just means mindset. Don't take
on the mindset of what you're going through, but simply record,
here's the information, here's the data. I keep it moving forward.
Here's number two. Recognize everybody is never going to like

(47:41):
everybody ever. You want to know something crazy. A lot
of people say God all about Jesus said. Jesus said,
I didn't come to bring peace. Mathew Diod thirty four.
He said I didn't come to bring peace. He said
I came to bring a sword. So what does that
simply means we think that the absence of peace needs

(48:01):
that something's wrong? Not so. Sometimes there's just certain people
are not gonna like you, and you say, okay, maybe
I don't like you either. There's sometimes things are there's
gonna be division. Division doesn't listen to this is gonna
blow somebody's mind. Division doesn't automatically mean something demonic. Is

(48:22):
that again? In Matthew ten, Jesus said it like this,
I managed enemies will be those of his own household, mother,
just a doughter in law, father, all that. So that
doesn't mean anything wrong. In fact, sometimes when you actually
start standing up for what's right, that's when what we
often call division will actually surface. And so, One, you're

(48:45):
not built for everybody else's problems. Two, don't expect a
utopian peace because Jesus never promised.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
H I love it you. That was a lot like
where it all resonated with me and my thought is
going to come back to me.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Don't think.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
It was good. It was good. I loved it. It
was good. Oh yeah, like about not everyone's going to
like you, And I don't know, it's just like true.
Sometimes there's so many different factors, you know, it could
be like that there's envy there. They want to sometimes
be you, you know, I mean, like especially when you're
well rounded like that, like how you know what I mean?
And they're like, I want to have the church and

(49:26):
the thing and the leadership because like I think, when
you're a leader, it's one thing like to show up
and like be that, but it's a whole nother level
whenever you can actually impact lives of people in a
way where you're transforming lives. So I think that that's
a good thing. And I don't mean that this question
is like your answer is like for all the people,
it's like we all have something that you said that

(49:48):
we could take away from that, including especially me, I think.
And then my other question was for those listening who
feel disconnected from their purpose, and we kind of touch
up on this a little bit. For those watching who
feel disconnected from their purpose, what's one thing they can
do today to begin realigning with their calling? O.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I love this question So the first thing is this,
Sometimes the way we thought it would feel is ruining
how good it feels. H. I'll back that up and
say that again. Sometimes the way we thought it would
feel is ruining how good it feels. I remember when
I would achieve certain things, and I had thought, if
I do that at all, I'm just gonna feel this

(50:33):
way I do it. There, you know down Sometimes purpose
doesn't feel as fulfilling or as joyous as you thought
it would be. Sometimes purpose can actually feel painful, it
can actually feel chaotic. It can actually feel like, oh

(50:56):
my God, what's going on? Like, think about it, Moses, Okay,
here's your purpose. You're gonna lead two million people out
of egypsy binding go he's eighty. Why would God wait
iftil this man is eighty? And say, now go actually
do the thing that I've sent you to the earth
to do. You're ready. Now. God waited until his ladder

(51:16):
to make his ladder greater. But it's chaotic. First of all,
you go and ask very well to let the people go.
Ten times. You get to know that doesn't feel very purposeful,
and I'm just a built like think about it. Okay, God,
if you want me to do this and this is
my purpose and this isn't my calling. This was supposed topeak,
aren't you going to make it easy? Sometimes purpose looks

(51:37):
like a series of pauses. Ten times most is told
not if gate a lawyer, No, you're gonna wear it.
Finally they get they let go. Now they all have
to leave, and it's not a pretty transition. They have
to take clothes, gold, silver, all of the people, infants, livestock.
They take over two million people and just start, where

(51:58):
are we going over there? This is pumpass, but they
have no sense of direction. It's pumpass, but they have
no sense of where they're going. And so sometimes that's
where the faith component tell them that you feel disconnected,
but you're not disconnected. The first thing is, don't let
how you thought it would feel ruin how good it feels,

(52:19):
how good is You're not going to always feel I go,
this is going amazing. Everything is great. Sometimes you're gonna
feel like this is a wreck, but the trade is
still on the tracks and you are still headed in
the right direction. And as bad as it says, and
it is not as bad as it feel. And this
is not the end. So don't let that feel don't

(52:40):
have feelings for you. And then the second thing that
I would say to do used to this because it
just like we go to the chiropractor periodically or going
to the doctor periodically, sometimes you need to check to
see if you're in alignment. In a line that looks
like this, what is our prayer? But I go, what
is the thing? Am I doing the thing you want
me to do? And sometimes I say I just like
I'm getting in an answer. Sometimes the answer is silenced

(53:03):
because I don't need to tell you what I told you,
the fact that I would never say again. I don't
need to repeat the instruction of already giving you. You're
asking me again because you're wanted information and confirmation for
something you're already doing.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
You're about to have me get up and start like
that was good. But I wanted them to get I
wanted them to really let that sink in. So I
didn't want to like interrupt it. But man, that was like,
this is good.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
You know, that's it. I think those two things are
really key because you're going that we often have these
feeling this is what it's going to feel like when
I get there, and it's the jarity, not the destination.
M h. Every time I walk in my house. One
of the first things I got when I moved out.
I moved out the day I turned eighty and I
was ready to go. And then one of the things

(53:50):
my mother got, made this little thing and instilled in
the front of my home in for you my own
as it's as life as a journey, not a destination.
And as many years as I've seen that, only recently
really began to embrace that, to be honest to where
I'm like, enjoy the journey. Yeah, it's so focused on

(54:11):
where you're headed. You better enjoy your drive. Yep, you
better enjoy your drift. Because what most people do is
we delay gratification and we delay enjoyment and we delay satisfaction.
So it's like, as soon as I do this, I
will do it. And then by the time you've put
all your life on delay. So then you get to
the end of your days and now you don't have

(54:32):
the strength to enjoy your days. And that's I think
the sad thing of life for many people. And by
the time they're ready to live it, it's too late
for them to enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That is so true. I used to be guilty of
that myself. You just feel like, I don't know what
kicks in where you're just like, I just want to
enjoy the journey. Something kicks in where you just like,
let me just relax a little bit and just be
an appreciation for where I am. And that happens to
me now in traffic, where yeah, to be like getting

(55:02):
all frustrated and like, why am I wasting all this energy?
By the time I get there, I'm gonna be so
drained just from the drive because I'm putting a lot
on me. A lot of the men, a lot of
them get in so good.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
But you know, I like that because like, it's in
the simplicity that principally becomes portable, it becomes something that's transferable.
It's in the simplicity of it. I love that. I'll
be honest, I used to be simpilarly when those people
I gotta get to where I'm going, I gotta get that.
I'm always on the go, my schedule is always full everything.

(55:34):
But I just you know, enjoyed the jury, enjoyedag It'll
be there when you get there. Enjoy enjoy the journey,
and when you do that, it gives you a whole
new appreciation for life, because you know, it's like a vapor.
The Bible says here one day and go on the next.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
You feel kinder when you're kind of like, okay, I
have to even enjoy this drive, you know, of getting
to this place. You know, literally like in the car.
I live in Arizona and over here we have like
we were on the news, I want to say, a
couple of weeks ago for being the number one state
for road rage. Oh wow, Yeah, that's not one of

(56:12):
those things where you want want it to be that
you're number one. This is like no, there's a lot
of beautiful landscapes here. I love nature, and I love
hiking and things like that. And when I heard about that,
I'm like, geesh, you know that's like a lot like
so it has me where I'm even I'm just super

(56:32):
mindful now a little bit more. It's been heightened a
little bit where I'm like, Okay, you have to really
be mindful because you can see the people are really impatient,
and it's like, go ahead, get in. It's not that serious,
you know. Yeah, you know when you talked about people
not picking up, like it's kind of like, what's yours.

(56:55):
That's yours, not mine, you know, like not taking on
the world or everyone's problems to a point where you
feel like it's all on your shoulders in a way,
you know, And I love that you although I'm going backwards.
You know. That reminds me of people who are impaths,
where they have a tendency to feel the weight of
the world and they can't even recognize that it's not

(57:18):
even in their own life that they're really struggling or
having a problem. It's just because they're worried about everyone else, like, oh, well,
I heard about the story and it's someone that they
might not even know, but they're like carrying literally the
weight of that, you know. So when we talk about
being able to take in, for example, the news and

(57:39):
taking it in small doses and just knowing like how
not to allow that to just impact you.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
No, that's such a good point. Everybody to some extent
can be that way. I can attest to that being
parentified very early. My stepfather was an a user. It's
a usure to my mother as a woman is a
lot of things. You see the man you don't want
to see what I'm to his life. I felt like
that my brother's just particular mother, and in that it
printed by me. I began to see this sense of

(58:09):
everybody's issues my issue. Everybody's bothering them my problem, And
so if I care for you, I got to pretend
you and you have to realize I, you know, that's
not that's not my job. That is not my job.
It made me a much better pastor in terms of
caring for people. But the flip side of that, in
the double edged sort of there, is that I can

(58:30):
also make it to where you take on problems that
are not yours. So I'm literally one of my greatest
things was it's not could, it's just truthful. That's not
that problem.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
And I love how you said that's yours that m yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I mean, especially as a bishop, you know, like there
are some people that just automatically expect that you're supposed
to do that, almost like it's your job to take
care of me and hear my problems and to solve
it for me, versus them being able to solve their
problems for themselves. You know, I think that that's a
huge misconception that some people may have.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
But it's just like this, your trainer is it going
to do the exercise for you. Your doctor isn't going
to have the surgery for you. Your hair addresser is
not for to get the hair done for you. You're
a nail tech. An't for to sit they get to
nails of it. So why is it my resupposiblity do
this fear? I'm the people's besit, But I am not
the people problem.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
You're the people's bishop because you're giving them the power
to be able to solve their transforming their life in
a way where you're helping them to understand that they
are powerful within that life. You know.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
So I love it.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
So I have three more questions for you. Okay, let's
go okay, all right, okay. So this one was if
you could go back and speak to your younger self
and Memphis, what would you say to him?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Be bold always? I'm generally bold, but I think there's
moments where sometimes you let things talk you out of
being bold. And God always as a bias towards both.
He is a bias towards people who take extra I
those people who did something, so I said people always.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
So with you growing up with the stepfather that was abusive,
did any of the tendencies that he had that you
were viewing, like, did any of that seep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
In noo question? No, because what it did for me
to me you know, sometimes the way God gives us
a gift is in showing us what not to do.
So it quite the opposite. I became vary, as I mentioned,
very paternal and very protective, and so I didn't you know,
I didn't adapt any of that. In fact, I did
become any of that. I have a distaste for that

(01:00:45):
type of behavior. And so no, it didn't actually see
being you know, in that way. But again it was
I viewed it as a gift like this was the
guy God, don't be him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
I love that. I love it like it stayed with you,
and it wasn't just for that time period of when
you were young and that like as an adult, a grown,
grown man, it's still I love it. I love it. Okay,
And then what legacy do you hope to leave, not
just in ministry but in humanity?

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
You know what This has been the theme all my
interviews today is my legacy would be consistency. We live
in a culture of people are doing this one day,
they did this next day, that didn't listen My legacy
will be that that man was consistent, showed up, he

(01:01:40):
spoke of he handled business, executed, he did it with excellence,
he did you know whatever, whatever it is that that
is synonymous with my brain in a way, and it's consistency.
You're not You're not if I get perfection, because I'm
not perfect. What you're going to get is consistency. And
so to me that would be not just ministry, but

(01:02:00):
the world is consistency. The me here would be the
meal on other stage. We have to be on the
other stage. We have to there's consistency, and consistency is
not just repetition. Consistency give is the substance in what's
being repeated. And so to me, that's the legacy. One
word consistency. I love it with that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
And then this is my last question from here. Okay,
so if they wanted to pick up your books, were
where that we can get those? On Amazon?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yes, you get about Amazon. And then another great way
to connect is at bish reforma dot com, f ormahn
dot com, or on social media at bishop forming on
all other different platforms. I will say on TikTok there's
like one hundred fake accounts of me, so I always
put a blue jat rear fire Council's mine. But you
know not you know, but you know that it goes
with it el to doc so while all west over

(01:02:54):
there but mischeforma dot com, books, music, messages more, they
can find out more because hybrid church people live anywhere.
We have tons of members and Arizona we have tell
the people who watch all over we got a free
app that's got a Bible reading and playing in so
many resources are gonna add value to people's lives bischoforming
dot com or on social.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Where did they watch on is it on the website.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Or if you go to besforman dot com and I
actually give you you can get the app and why
it's in the app. We're streaming for every single day.
We're streaming out to Sundays. Let me do these daily
pop ups that are amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
It's literally a random time it will pop up and
it becomes a many Bible studies, slash prayer, prophecy, the
air precession teaching session like it's really and but you
get wait, if you get our app, we'll get notification
to say this is live.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Boom to it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Oh I love it good stuff. I didn't even get
to the music. But yeah, that you have music out there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, we've got tons of songs too. Look here's my
plug besu forming and so I gotta administry to music.
So I've written produced ep is that could produce all
of our songs and the music I think it's it's
a fat my favorite song. So everybody got to check
this for out. And when you listen to a super
message on Instagram, it's the best place to get to me.

(01:04:12):
I get hedges of messages of the day, but I
still respond. It's gonna take me a lot, but I
still respond to them all. My favorite song that I wrote,
it's called Already One, Already one O one. It just
talks about whatever battle your face, the end is that
you already won, and so I'm not fighting for the victory.
I'm fighting from two different fights, totally different fights.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Yeah, I love it already.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
You listen to what you do that one? I love this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Am I allowed to put a little piece of it
in our show. No you can't, but you guys could
definitely head to Bishop's website and be sure to check
out the books, the app, tune in for the power
the mini sessions everything. I enjoyed talking with you his life,
and I know that this episode is definitely going to

(01:05:02):
be or a blessing for people. This is good stuff.
I love it, and I love the fact that you're so,
like you said, the people's Bishop, but I'm like you
are the holistic, the holistic Bishop, you know, the people's
holistic Bishop. You know, got it together, you know what
I mean. And in the areas of health, wellness and

(01:05:25):
like mind, body, spirit, you know, like the whole, because
it's all about all of that, not just like one
little area. And that's why we, you know, sometimes have
problems because it's that one little area and one day
a week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, big doors for those small Hindus. You don't get
them hinges right that door anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
So what is it that you would love to leave
our listeners with?

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Wow? You know we've talked about a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
I know, he true, we talked.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
About a lot. You know what I always say is
pick the thing that you're going to do something with
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Picked one thing all I was just talked about, and
both of you stay with that now because most of
the time we've listened to be in form, we'd all
listen to being back to where we started.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Transform and to transform me have to go do something
with whatever. Pick the thing. Maybe it's more than one,
but at least get one to one thing you're going
to do based on what you hear.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Mm hmm. I love it, you guys, pick the thing.
Pick the thing and share the thing with someone that
you love, a family member, a friend, a coworker, you know,
let them know this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
That thing is good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
I love it. Thank you so much for hanging out
with me. I really appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
And you're welcome to come back anytime.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It be my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Thank you again, Bishop Foreman for coming on the show
and for hanging out with me. What a conversation. If
this episode resonated with you, if something stirreed your spirit, challenge,
you're thinking, are reminded you of who you're becoming. I
want you to sit with that for a moment. Transformation

(01:07:08):
doesn't always come loudly. Sometimes it comes through clarity. Today's
conversation reminds us that leadership isn't about being followed, it's
about lives being changed, That faith is meant to touch
every area of our lives, that healing can come through

(01:07:29):
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it's the very thing that points you toward your purpose.
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(01:08:16):
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(01:08:36):
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