BZ's BBS, Thursday, 3-3-22, w/co-host LONNIE POINDEXTER and Cybersecurity Expert MIKE FITZPATRICK, Pt II:

BZ and co-host LONNIE POINDEXTER spoke with cybersecurity expert MIKE FITZPATRICK on Ukraine, Russia, and the coming cyberattacks aimed at the US.

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Episode Transcript

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Okay, so we died there justfor a second. But Lonnie made reference
to this thing dying with what didyou say? How did you say it
was happening right here? Lonny?Well, Michael mentioned the rabbit ears,
and I said that, and I'vegot the aluminum foil that connects to the
rabbit ears. So we're back.We're back, live and an ancient reference,

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the likes of which probably forty percentor thirty percent of the people listening
now will understand. Okay, I'llexplain it. Rabbit ears were on a
TV when TV only went terrestrial,and that means that if you didn't have
an antenna on your roof, youhad what we're called little rabbit ears.
And I almost said something that datedme again. I almost said something like,

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oh, you know the little antennaon my on Ray Wollston from my
favorite Martian. Of course, thatwould have gotten me even deeper in the
damn weeds that people if they didn'tunderstand rabbit ears, they sure shit.
And I understood understood Ray Walston frommy favorite Martian show. Okay, so
now that I've dated myself and Ifound myself was after that, I think

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so I think so you're right,and nobody will get mister ed either.
And now that I've dated myself andactually I'm not a bad date, I
I do put out on the firstdate. Let's let's go back to what
we were talking about. I submitthis, and I'd like both your way
on this, your your to opineon this, Lenney Pointdexter, and Mike

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Fitzpatrick. It would seem to me, and correct me if I'm incorrect,
that Putin and Russia are being illustratedas unstoppable that they are. They and
he are this massive machine that isgoing to roll into Ukraine and crush everything

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and every one, to which Ireply, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa. Hold up onthat car wash. You're not hearing everything.
I've heard the newspeople say that theconvoy, for example, is twenty

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miles long, and then today Iwas hearing it's forty miles long. Okay,
Now that is a little tidbit ofinformation that to me makes sense because
what that is indicating, and I'mhearing bits and pieces from all sorts of
different sources, is that because ofthe condition of military equipment in Russia,

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they're having trucks that they can't getmoving, and the reason they can't get
them moving is because they're losing airand they're losing pressure. And just like
our military vehicles, when you builda truck on a chassis that large,
they don't have the standard lug nutconfiguration that even big commercial trucks have.

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Here, they have up to twentyto thirty lugnuts, and it requires a
very specialized type of equipment and peoplewho know to how to remove those,
to even change the damn tires.So you're getting trucks that were not maintained
well that now apparently are running outof fuel. Because at this point you're

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talking, it's all about logistics,So I suspect that this is tending more
towards the truth. And the reasonyou're getting a longer convoy. How it
magically mystically changed from twenty miles oneday or three days ago to maybe forty
miles now is that at the endof it, they're backing up all that

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crap because the front of it ain'tmoving. And the reason the front of
it ain't moving is because the Sovietsare running out of equipment which was poorly
maintained with soldiers that are poorly trainedthat cannot change a tire. That don't
now have to change the tracks ona tank. And oh, by the
way, whereas before, especially withtanks and of course rubber retired vehicles,

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it was icy before these roads.What is it now springtime for Hitler and
Jiminy? So what are we seeing? We're seeing Operation Barbarosa in nineteen forty
five replayed before our very damned eyeswhen it was decided by Hitler that he
was going to go into Russia onan assault in winter, winter in Russia.

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No, no bueno not did notdo really well for our lovely mister,
mister Hitler. And now I suspectthat Putin is beginning to learn this
lesson running out of fuel food forthe troops who'd heard something today on one
of the media I don't even rememberwhere that the troops are not going into

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various homes and raiding homes all aroundthe people where this big convoy is stopped.
So that tells me Putin is goingto up his game somewhere because he's
his threshold is being lowered in thisbig convoy. So when we're seeing that

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buildings are being destroyed, when we'reseeing that the Russian army is aiming at
civilian targets. I think it's becausethat's low hanging fruit and somebody's got to
pay. So if logistically, thiswonderfully crafty individual cannot logistically figure out how
to get any number of tracked andtired vehicles into Ukraine, then what next?

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The other question which begs is where'shis air cover? Why did we
go into Iraq and bomb the shitout of everything in nineteen ninety one?
How did the Highway of death comearound? Came come around? It came
about because of the A ten warthog. It came around because of the warthog

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firing depleted uranium into this massive lineof people and carriers and militarized and tracked
and rubber tired equipment and armor andlit them all up. So where's root?
I have not seen. I've seena few things. I've seen a

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few things in the air. I'veseen some helos. Why didn't he have
a massive air attack, a massiveair campaign at the very beginning? And
I submit, putin ate all thatand a piece of bologney you hit,
in my opinion, the nail squarelyon the on the head. I mentioned

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this a little earlier in the broadcastthat, and I'll just say this,
I think he had way too muchconfidence in his structure. If you think
about what happened world War two whenGermany tried to go into Russia during the
winter, and what have you thinkabout? During World War two the infrastructure

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that Russia had, Remember the SovietUnion collapsed, right, and when it
collapsed, when Ronald Wagan's you know, you know, tear down this wall
and so forth, we outspent thembecause of our technology and our economic prowess.
And I've always wondered if they wereable to build back that infrastructure.

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I think you hit on something thatthere's holes in that infrastructure. There are
still holes in the infrastructure. Yeah, even so many years later, there's
still holes in it. I mean, you know, it's not economic boom
time over there, because you know, they're kind of doing what China's doing.
Look at you know, China's havingproblems. I was just China is
not the economic powerhouse that everybody,everybody is leading it to build the build

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all those cities, and they gotnobody to go into the cities because they're
building a crony capitalism and they're buildinga false economy, and there's nobody to
move into the cities, into thoseapartments they build up, and so they're
having their kind of come to Jesus. I think, I think you hit
on something. I think that's thereason why. And maybe with the their

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air force and so forth over there, pilots, well, I don't I
hope you don't have to fly thesethings. Historically speaking, Russian equipment has
not been very great. What peopledon't realize is during World War Two,
the the T tanks, I don'tremember which ones, T thirties or T

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thirty five's, when they had atank crew in there. The tank crew
was also issued a massive sledge sothat they could get the tank into gear.
That's called a clue. You alsohad the only people that had maps
in any kind of a Russian unitwere the officers, because they didn't trust
their troops to with maps. Soif they didn't wish to mass up in

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one place, they could go someplaceelse and figure out where they were.
Russia historically has been like that.China is not infallible, Russia is not
infallible. This is a good thingand it's a bad thing. It's a
good thing in terms of everything ain'tgonna go like Putin thinks it's a good
thing in terms of Jijinping, itain't everything gonna go like he wants either.

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It's a bad thing because when youget a honey badger cornered, then
a honey badger is going to reactvery poorly, which leads me to believe
Putin is already threatened nukes, etc. Do I put it past him?
You'd have to be really an insanedude to drop that. With mad these

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days, we're not that fabulous,but we still have missiles ICBMs. We've
sold a lot of our ice ICBMs. The smart dudes bought them up and
they're living in them right now,just in case. But with Russia also,
you also heard today that there area couple it sounds like there's a
couple of Russian oligarchs that have actuallyput a bounty out on Putin. I

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did not hear. Oh, okay, that changes some metrics, because that's
what one of the bounties. Oneof the bounties is a million dollars mm
okay. So and again it's youknow, the oligarch because they're losing their

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stuff. I mean, the whois it? The Roman Ibronovich is the
owner of Chelsea FC in the UKoligarch he's having to put up his team
for sale that he's owned for twentyyears because of this. So this,

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I mean, they're losing their stuff. There's yachts being confiscated all around the
world right now, right well,and the oligarchs are escaping like crazy to
neutral waters as quickly as there astheir little boats will go. So they
were happy. But if they're ifthose oligarchs are on that swift banking system,

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then their assets have already been seized. I mean what we're We've seen
the canceling of a president of theUnited States, We've seen the canceling of
companies. We're now seeing the cancelingof a country. Wow. And to
which, as I indicate, thatcould be a good thing, and it
could be a bad thing. Itcould be a good thing in terms of

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an attempted stemming of what Putin iswas trying to do now, and it
could be a thing in terms ofas some people have posited, I don't
know how much this is true.Some people are saying that over the years,
Putin has isolated himself to the pointwhere he believes his own press and

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if that's true. I don't knowhow much sanity there may be left in
the man. One can only hope, but in truth, I cannot say
that I have one hundred percent confidencein the fact that he won't go squirrely
one day. See here's the otherthing again, Like you pointed out,
Lonnie, and you pointed out Mike, step back, step back a little

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bit. Examine some of the otherfactors that are involved. Belarus is aligned
with Russia, period end of statement. That's why the Russian troops went through
Belarus, because they're glad. They'vebeen glad handing themselves for quite some time.
In a briefing given by the Presidentof Belarus or one of his generals,

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I cannot recall at this point,they were saying essentially that they were
considering going on through to Moldova,which is not a pro Russia client state,
to which the people in Moldova theresphincter's ought to be watertight. Right
about now and then Poland here's thecritical issue, the key link to it

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all. I believe I had Iwas a member of the IPA, which
is the International Police Association, andI hosted people from other countries. I
had a German German politside dude overto my house in the state. I
had a bunch of Polish cops over, I want to tell you right now.
Oh and I also had Polish copsover to evac when I told when
I taught at the Emergency Vehicle Operationscourse, Hey, run a Polish dude

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through the emergency response course running codethree and you'll have a happy camper guarantee.
But I want to tell you,the Polish people love America, and
historically that's because Americans have held withthe Polish people Poland, of course,
being a NATO member, if Putindecides that he really wants to get the

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band back together again and attempts totake Moldova or any of the surrounding countries
or makes any kind of an incursioninto Poland, because what you haven't heard
or maybe you have, is thatPutin is lining troops up on the Polish

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border. And Putin has said thatthe other things that he's considering is,
oh, I don't know, cuttingTransatlantic cables. So what is on this
guy's grid, what is on thisguy's screen in his brain housing group,
and what isn't Then if he makesan incursion into Poland, a clear and

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obvious NATO country, one of theprime countries from which NATO was originally its
purpose and intent was created, anddecides to go into NATO that all the
rest of the NATO countries ought tobe saying something similar to, oh fuck,
when are we next? Of course, of course, and that's going

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put going into Poland or another serious, big client state of NATO. That's
what scares me. And he's upsetthe uh the party that I mean by
literally having a good time party thatthe oligarths have been, you know,

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the big fancy yachts and so forth, and making tons of money because they're
are the ones that support him inpower. Well, he's he's the one
that upon the dissolution in nineteen eightynine, nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety one,
when Russia totally fell apart and allthe client states fell apart, and
that's where we get the name Balkanized, right. They were the dudes to

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step in on a private fashion andrealize, you know, this is a
wonderful opportunity for US money, drugs, gangs. Here we go because it
is in fact the wild West herein Russia. Yes, and so he's
in effect overturning the apple cart ofthe good times for them. So I

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was not aware of the bounty that'son his head from. And also either
I find that so interesting. Itmight be somebody close to mister Putin Tang
Potty Tang that would take him outas I look at it, because yeah,
you know, I spent a lotof time on YouTube, and his

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cat's got some great, big,fancy, beautiful boats and they have a
good time going to what's the countrywhere the province of France that you guys
know the name of it. It'sa monarchy where all the rich dudes go
and hang out with the multi milliondollar yachts. Monica Monica, Yeah,

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they you know, they hang outin Monaco and they travel all throughout the
world. And here's this guy's jackingwith stuff that's gonna where these guys got
to move their boats to try toneutral waters so they won't be confiscated and
what have you. Is this thingamps up. I would think that one
of them, just as you guysstated, would want to see this cat

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go away. Hey, you canbe the dictator, you can be all
of that. If you keep thestatus quo, you change the status quo
because you I've always felt that hehad a heart on to bring the band
back together, as you stated,and and and and retrieve the Balkan states.
And I think, as you're rightthere, Spinkers have to be really

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tight in particular Poland because Poland playeda tremendous price during World War Two and
then after World War Two, asyou know, with Russia doing what it
did with those Balkan countries, andthey're not trying to go back. And
I would think even the ones thatroll with Russia, Russia, well we
roll with you, we didn't wantto go that far, you know what

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I mean, because it puts pressureon all of them. Mike, your
thoughts, my brother, Well,I mean it's an interesting at some point
in time with all of the oligarch'smoney being messed with. You know,
several of these these yachts, Imean, one of them is the largest

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in the world. Yes, andit was actually in dry dock. Several
of these are in dry dock gettingfixed up for spring and summer, so
they weren't able to get away.Oh then you've got others that did get

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away shut off their transponders so noone could tell where they are going right
in high tailed for waters and baysand oceans that were much more friendly to
them where they wouldn't be immediately retrieved. Yes, so here's the other thing
that I think, finally we haveto consider, because it is definitely about

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let's see, it's almost eleven o'clockhere on the left coast, which means
that it's almost two am on theeast coast. Holy crap. So I'm
gonna I'm gonna wrap it up withsome of these things and throw this potentiality
out to you, two guys,and then ask for your opinions on both

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Back in nineteen forty four, thisis what happened. Klaus von Staufenberg attempted
to kill Hitler with a briefcase thatexploded under a table at Wolfe's lair,
and Hitler was not killed, hewas injured. His drug usage became wild

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and frequent after that. But that'swhen the great pogram against many of his
generals occurred, when he realized thathe was not invincible as he thought he
was, and pulled himself in evenwith a greater bunker mentality than before.
If someone is paying for some kindof an assassination, attempt on Putin.

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In this situation, I suspect thingswould only get worse and almost nothing would
be off the table. I worrythat Russia. I worry on a number
of levels. I worry about fuel. I worry about food because Russia and

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Ukraine are responsible for about fourteen tofifteen percent of the entire world's grain production.
Russia's responsible for forty percent of thefuel and gas used by all of
Europe, not just a couple ofcountries. So if you see some kind
of an assassination attempt public or notmade public or not, you're going to

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get an individual that would potentially consideranything. So I'm thinking of fuel costs,
I'm thinking of food costs. I'mthinking of EMPs. Would Putin put
it out of consideration, maybe notto drop something on our soil, but

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an air burst. Then I'm thinkingof cyber attacks. I don't see for
the immediate future that any of ourstuff could be that fabulous, because we
just don't know how this guy isgonna go. We do know that we've
had the opportunity to stop him bybeing strong. As your quote was,

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only a strong guy respects another strongguy. Lonnie Poindexter, I have no
idea where this is going, Lonnie, any any thoughts on that, sir?
Now, I just did oh prettymuch what you you said. It
gives us much to think about.I'll just say my closing thoughts, Star
is just an honor and a pleasureto be on air with you and Michael.

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You to a pretty smart guys.I learn a lot whenever I sit
at your feet and watch you guyspontificate on various topics. You give me
the things to think about, andso I'm encouraged because I hadn't really thought

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about the fact that Russia's got holesand China. China got holes, Russia
got holes, and so it'll beinteresting to see what rolls out from that.
That's pretty much all all I haveto share. Just it's it's been.

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And for those of you that arelistening out there, this is a
joint of privilege. This is informationthat you're not going to hear this stuff
on well, you're not gonna hearthe mainstream media at all, because well,
they they're a part of I callthem the anti God agenda because this

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is really at the end of theday, it's it's it's a spiritual battle
the physical manifestation is what we're seeingand talking about. I completely agree,
but it's a spiritual battle because eviland as many smart I think Ronald ray
In and I know this goes wayback in history. Freedom is not free?
Was that Benjamin Franklin the first coinedthat every generation has to stand up

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and fight for it. And thisis a very much a freedom thing.
That's a that's a that's a Reaganquote. Yeah, okay, And so
these are the things that we're talkingabout. But I just went again statement
it's honor and a pleasure to sitin the studio and and didn't have Michael.
And see, Michael will do thesebrain dumps on me. Most of

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it will go over my head.I'm just telling you, I don't know
what he's talking about. And butI am a technologist, so he always
gets he gets a great chuckle outof that. But I'm the tech paramesium.

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I am a single celled organism whenit comes to technology. I'm about
there as well. So that's allI have to share. And Mike Fitzpatrick
your thoughts, well, I wouldbe remiss if I didn't talk a little
bit about what businesses can do,especially small to mid sized businesses perfect.
So the first thing is make sureall of your patches on your systems,

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your phones, your mobile devices areall up to date. They're in place,
and you're one hundred percent on that. To use strong passwords, don't
don't use like Vz's password got hackedthe other day, which was yeah,
some versions some version of let youknow FJB, let's go Brandon in upper

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case, lowercase, and maybe somenumbers, okay, just because it was
coirty. Okay, geez, youguys are relentless. Make you strong passwords.
If you don't have a password manager, get a password manager and let
it generate your passwords. But usesomething stronger, because no longer are the

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hackers really having to do anything tricky. They're capturing passwords and using stolen credentials
to gain access. I mean,it doesn't get much simpler than that.
Look at me, I'm a perfectexample. QUARTI. You know q W
E R T Y on the keyboardwriter, kids, don't try that at
all. Okay, so just don'tcall of two seconds two seconds to probably

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crack that number. Three. Usemulti factor authentication, meaning when you go
to log in, it'll ask fora code, it'll give you I'll send
you a text message, or it'lluse a code generator off of a Google
authenticator. Great way to beat phishingattacks. Number three expect if any anything

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that you received that is from somebody. Number four should say, anything that
you see from somebody that you don'tknow, assume that it's phishing. Check
it out a little bit. Clickthe links. Since not, don't click
the links, I'm sorry, checkthat head what check check the check the
header of the email, and makesure that it's a valid email. If

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you're curious, don't click the link. Just go to the website that they're
asking you to go to, butdon't use their links. Three use endpoint
security as well as anti virus.It's very little is about anti virus or
about anti virus these days. It'sreally about endpoint security and being able to

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defend your mobile device. From thatperspective, understand your network. Know your
network, know what's normal, what'snot normal, and if it's something that's
not normal, check into it.Number seven. Back up your network.
Make sure your backups are working inthat you can restore. Eighty two percent

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of companies don't have working backups.Check your backups, make sure they work.
You know I get it if that'syou know, like Joe Brown's corner
store, like I said, atthe at the corner of walk and don't
walk, I get it if hedoesn't have a fabulous backup. But businesses

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these days, they are not everybit every business is a technology company now,
yes, yes, So if youdon't have backups, here's the reality.
If your backups fail or you don'thave complete backups, you will be
out of business within six months,plain and simple. I can remember.

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That's one of the first things youtold me on one of the first shows
that I had you here on.You said that, and then you know,
check out your third party risk again. This goes to Solar Winds,
This goes to Microsoft. This goesto so check your vendors that you work
with, make that they're as secureas they can be, and that they're

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guarding your data that you're sharing withthem as thoroughly as possible. And then
number nine, make sure you havean incident response plan so when everything goes
wrong and it all hits a fan, you have a plan for how you
get back up off of the groundand get back in business. Those are
the things that you need to spendyour time on now while you have the

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time, because there could be atime coming where you won't have time.
Mike Fitzpatrick, Let's say I'm amoderate business and my attention has been drawn
to what's been occurring lately, ormaybe I even came across this show and
I asked myself self, where canI go to have somebody examine my system

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or maybe help me along in thecreation of make my business more secure?
Well, that would be you.How would they contact you? Well,
they can get to us, thankseasy. They can get to us at
wwwncxgroup dot com is the website andall the contact information is there. And

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let me let me also check ifI can. You don't just do big,
huge businesses like Blackrock, you dosmaller businesses too. You have you
can craft plans for any damn body. That's one of the things I think
I'm most proud of is the factthat when I started the business, the

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idea was to provide world class serviceto small and mid sized businesses. But
to your point, on one endof the spectrum, I've got a client
that is fifteen employees, but they'republicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange,
so they have the same level ofcompliance requirements that GM has because they're

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publicly traded. And then on theother end of the spectrum, I've got
five Global Fortune fifty accounts that weprovide security services for. Okay, and
it's banking, finance, healthcare,higher education. There isn't any critical infrastructure.
There isn't an industry that we arenot working with clients in. And

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because I want to sleep soundly atnight, folks, I didn't mean to
imply that Mike Fitzpatrick actually has Blackrockas a client, nor would he send
assassination agents out at two am totiptoe through my door and then make sure
that I never talk about that associationever. Again, I'm not saying that

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you got them as a client.No fitstagic, So I'm not trying to
imply there is no warranty express orimplied that something similar to that would occur.
So Lonnie Poindexter, thank you everso kindly for being here tonight.
Mike Fitzpatrick, thank you so kindlyfor being here tonight. I get tired
of saying this, but I'm goingto say it anyway, just on account

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of because you know I'm going toLonnie, would you like to come back
perhaps next week and we can continuethis conversation. He loves to put you
on the spot. I COVID andI'm always at your service, okay,
And Mike Fitzpatrick, I as fuck. You know, I didn't get to,

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you know, like a molecule ofwhat I wanted to talk to you
about tonight. So would you considercoming back next week sometimes? Sir?
Sure? Okay, all right?One word, that's good. I like
that. That's it's like Kurt Yes. Before we go, though, folks,
I want to play this for youbecause I think in fifty seconds,
this guy, whom you didn't expect, nails it. The history of every

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single country that's ever existed other thanthe United States, up until seventeen seventy
six, every fucking country that hasever existed was run by dictators. This
is the first one where you hadelected officials. This is the first experiment
in self government that actually worked.And he created the greatest superpower the world's

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ever known. He created the greatestcultural machine, the greatest machine of art
and creativity and innovation right fucking here. And how did it do that?
It did it through freedom. Becausewhen you give people freedom, you let
people do whatever the fuck they wantto do, they actually find ways to
succeed and grow and thrive. Butas soon as you put the boots to

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them, as soon as you tellthem you have to do this or you
can't do that, you're moving onestep closer to dictatorship. That's what the
fuck is happening. And so,ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

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are by my Little Pony thanks tomy personal casey one thirty five couple one
refueling team with whom I will beconcerning after about I don't know, maybe
an hour this time. Because Igot stuff to do, okay. Thanks
to Lonnie Poindexter for being live inthe studio to night. Thank you,

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sir, and thanks to Mike Fitzpatrickfor being here tonight. Thanks to everybody
listening, everybody in the chat roomlistening, and podcasts. Everybody. I'll
be back next week. God bless, take care, God bless America.
Be safe. Everybody quiet down nowand get some sleep, and everybody.

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Good night, Mama, not Ben, good night everyone, good night,
Mama, can night, Daddy,good night, children, good night,
Daddy, good night, Lizabeth,goodnight, John Boy, goodnight, Gimbab
Night, Gimbab, good night.Jim wo'sh going on? I was asleep?
What's everybody doing? Good night?Night, good night, and good luck.