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Speaker 1 (00:07):
From the Christian Research Institute and Charlotte, North Carolina. You're
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A lot of people hanging on right to the phone lines.
First up is Bob listening in Missouri.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hi Bob, Hi, brother.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
God bless you. I just wanted your opinion on the
statement about the Christian life. The statement goes, the Christian
life is not our living a life like Christ, are
trying to be the Christ like? Nor is it Christ
given us the power to live a life like his.
But it is Christ himself living his own life through us.
No longer I but Christ. In my own opinion, I
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think it sounds pretty scriptural and it moved me.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, you know it's interesting about that. As you say that,
I think back to being in China and talking to
a man who'd been in prison for many, many years.
And as I talked to him and got a grasp
of what he went through during those years of being
in a Chinese prison camp, one of the things that
struck me was how in the world can any human
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being endure that for such a long time. And I
asked him that question, and he said essentially what you've
just paraphrased, and that is it is no longer I
that live, but Christ who lives within me, and therefore
I am dead. I've been crucified with Christ. And therefore
he was living the resurrected life, and he was able
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to endure everything because that was the very perspective from
which he lived in the culture of adversity.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yes, I think that's a difference between us trying to
live our self life and imitating Christ. But what's better
than imitation is the real McCoy.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, although you know, it's important that we do model
those disciplines that Jesus Christ himself modeled during his earthly sojourn. So,
for example, Jesus's doctor Luke says, often withdrew to lonely
places to pray. Why because he treasured fellowship with his
heavenly Father, and we should do the same, right and now.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I want to just compete with this. It says the
end of Christ, in coronation, death and resurrection was to
prepare and form a holy nature in frame for us
in himself to be communicated to us by union and
fellowship with Him, and not to be able to produce
in ourselves the first originals of such a holy nature
by our own endeavors. So anyway, that kind of goes together.
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And I think that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I believe well. I appreciate you communicating that on the broadcast.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Yes, okay, Brother God, bless you in yours and less
it be gut.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Thank you, Bob. I want to go back to the
phone lines now. Talk to Andrew. Andrew is listening in Langley,
British Columbia. Candidate Hi, Andrew, either, I gotta tell.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
You on a personal note, I appreciate what you do.
I know, I know here it all the time, but
coming from someone that I really really mean that, I
thank you for your ability to speak truth. And I
have a question regarding Bob George, and I'll have to
paraphrase him and then I'll wait for your answer. Now,
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what Bob George is talking about is that we know
that the work of the Cross Jesus finished. Everything was
done on the cross. But what he's saying is that
we no longer need to ask for forgiveness. And what
he is saying is that if we do ask for
forgiveness even now, or I should say, after Jesus has
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completed the work on the cross, we are a double
minded people. Now, if I'm wrong, please correct me. But
it infuriated me to hear that. And then, furthermore, like
what you had to say, a well ken Hagy, like
I had no idea he was so awful. All of
course I don't listen to him, but it is it's
infuriating to know that there's people spreading this kind of nonsense. Now,
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if I am wrong about Bob George, please correct me.
But what is your opinion on that?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, I agree with you. I think you're absolutely right,
and you should be indignant about this because you are
not double minded when you confess your sin. You're biblically
minded when you do. In fact, we are told by
John and first John, if we confess our sins, he
is faithful and justin will forgive us our sins and
purify us from all un righteousness. If we claim we
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have not sinned, we make him out to be a
liar and his word has no place in our lives.
The contention that's held by Bob George is that this
is not about believers, this is about unbelievers, and that's
simply false. We are to confess our sins. Why because
we sin perpetually. And if this were a singular passage
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and disputable, it would be one thing. But it's not
either disputable, nor is it a singular passage. Now we
are told by Jesus and the Lord's prayer himself to
pray forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven
our debtors. Now Bob George has an answer for that too.
He says, well, that was old covenant, it doesn't apply
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to Christians today. That is a very poor way of
dividing the word of truth. That's wrongly dividing the word
of truth. But James also says the same thing, Therefore,
confess your sins. In saying that, he's using a present
active subjunctive, which is a grammatical construction denoting continued action.
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In other words, keep on confessed. And the reason is
we still have a sin nature. We are covered by
His righteousness, but we continue to sin, and therefore to
keep communion with God, to keep the lines of communication open.
In other words, we need to confess our sins as
the Bible instructs us to do. So what Bob George
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does is he plays around with the language of scripture
in a way that marginalizes the Bible rather than magnifies
the Word of God.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Right here, here's where I and I don't mean to
go on in my tangent, but it strikes such a
chord within me, and that is as a Christian, are
we not do we not hear from Alay Spirit that
when is time for correction, that he would speak to us.
One thing that just upsets me so much that if
these are Christians, why are we not hearing from Olays Spirit?
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Why are we not? Where so many people inaccurately discerning
what is supposed to be the truth, and they're putting
out all this kind of thing to Christians and confusing people.
And having been someone that was listening to people such
as Todd Bentley that was completely being led down the
garden path, trying to now live a life that is
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very accurately according to the Word of God, Like, would
you have an answer for that as well?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I do, and I think that again, going not
to the motives of people, because that's the province of
the Holy Spirit, but going to the word of God.
The apostle Paul warns us about this very thing, even
from among your own numbers. He says, men will arise
and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples
after themselves. So be on your guard. Remember, for three
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years I never stopped warning each one of you, night
and day with tears. A lot of people think it's
divisive if I point out that John Hagey is communicating
false doctrine. It's not that needs to be public. He's
publicly communicating that, and people make life decisions based on
what he's saying, and therefore there has to be a corrective.
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It's a shame that there's not a corrective. And you know,
a lot of people say, well, you're not supposed to judge,
but again that's some distortion a scripture. The scripture teaches
us that we are to judge, but when we judge,
we have to use a right measure, which is to
say We are not to judge self righteously or hypocritically,
but we are to judge what people are saying in
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light of what God has already said. It is the Bible,
not Bob George or John Hagey or Todd Bentley. That
is the final court of arbitration. It is not I
as a final qurt of obortation. It's test what I
say in light a scripture. Howle fast to that which
is good?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, thank you so much, Hank, I really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Hey, you got it, Andrew, thank you for your call
back to the phone line's Wade next listening in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Hi, Wade.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Good.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
See.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
My question is I know as Christians we like to
give to charities and ministries, but are we supposed to tide?
And is it God's law?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well? I think it's a principle, because what you have
Moses communicating in the Old Testament to the children of
Israel is that they are to tithe so that they
may learn to revere the Lord their God always and
learning to reverence the name of God is timeless. But
I don't think that we should be bound by Old
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Testament legalistic prescriptions. Rather, we should be set free from
legalistic prescriptions, and we should embrace free will. Giving. What
begins as a spiritual discipline can evolve into sheer delight,
which is, we give not because there's some kind of
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legalism attached to it, but we give so that we
might catch the joy of contagious stewardship. And if we did,
we would be empowered to spread the gospel around the globe.
We would be enable to feed the hungry, clothe the naked,
care for the sick. We would be able to found
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institutions for Christian education. We would be able to support
ministries like the Christian Research Institute. It is a matter
of God's people seeing this as an investment in the kingdom,
in the lives of other people, and I think that's
ultimately what's at issue here. To hold everything we have
with an open hand so God can take out and
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put in as he sees fit. So we need to
recognize that our responsibility is not to be a giver,
but to be one who is a steward, who recognizes
that I own nothing. My time, talent, and treasure are his.
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to our phone callers. Next up as Orville. Orville is
listening in Oklahoma. Hi, Orville, Hey, how you.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Doing, Hank good?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Thank you good.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
My question is me and my wife were discussing just
a couple of nights ago in regards to your judgment.
Now I understand from just listening to you and also
reading the scripture, I do believe it's Matthew the parable
where you have Lazarus and the rich Man, where Lazarus,
you know, he died and went to Abraham's bosom or paradise,
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and then a rich man went to torment. Now, we
were trying to figure out if judgment happens directly after
you die, or if that's coming to you whenever Jesus
returns and throws Satan into the lake fire.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I think there's an earnest of judgment that takes
place when you die. I like to say that there's
life after life after life, and what I mean by
that is, when someone dies, they're absent from the body.
And as Jesus points out in the parable that you
allude to, there is a place of torment for those
who are separated from the presence of God, and there's
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a place of bliss for those who are in fellowship
with God. And the metaphors used in Luke chapter sixteen
in this regard are Abraham's bosom or paradise, and those
are ways of communicating what it is like to be
in fellowship with God, just as the rich man in
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the parable was out of fellowship with God and therefore
said to be in torment. But there's life after life
after life in the sense that Jesus will return a
second time, and then the dead will be judged, which
is to say, then ultimate judgment will be taking place.
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Jesus himself said, do not be amazed at this time
is coming when all who the grace will come out.
Some will rise to live, and some will rise to
be condemned. So when Jesus appears the second time, then
there will be the separation in the ultimate sense those
who are judged and forever separated from the goodness and
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glory of God, because that is what they want, and
those who receive their rewards and inherit a new heaven
and a new Earth wherein dwells righteousness. In other words,
for them, paradise lost will become paradise restored.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Okay. So basically, whenever you passed away now before the
Great Tribulation period and he comes back, you are in
a sense in an area with him, but you're not
actually judged until he comes back and does the great
judgment on the White Throne.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Ye, a bit there that I would disagree with, just
in terms of how it was sated, but just in
general principle. Yes, what I would say is this, My
dad died in nineteen ninety seven. He was a sincere
committed believer, so I can say at his funeral that
my dad is absent from the body present with the Lord. Now,
when I say that, I'm really not talking in locational terms.
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I'm talking in relational terms because remember that I buried
my dad, that therefore his body went into the ground.
But the non physical aspect of his humanity, which does
not have awareness but does have awareness, is present. With
the Lord. And again that is a relational term. So
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he's having fellowship with God in some sense that I
cannot comprehend. But when Jesus appears the second time, his
body will be resurrected. So Christians are not platonic, They're
very physical. They believe in the physical resurrection of the dead.
And therefore his body will be changed in a moment,
in the twinkling of an eye, the soul will return
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to the body, and that body will be immortal, imperishable, incorruptible.
Back to the phone lines. Next up as Ken listening
in Hamilton, Missouri. I Ken, how you doing, Hank doing well?
Thank you good.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You were talking last week or two on Ezekiel's prophecy
in chapter thirty seven, and you sparked my imagination, and
in verse twelve I says, therefore prophesy and say to them,
let's say it the Lord God, behold o my people.
I will open your graves and cause you to come
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up from your graves and bring you into the land
of Israel. The question is, we also see something like
that happening in Matthew twenty seven fifty one, And I
wanted to know if that was prophesying about this event,
or when the Lord has his prophesy, does he maybe
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two or three bases on that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well. I think one of the things we have to
recognize is that there are typological prophecies, and not in
the sense of a double fulfillment, but rather in terms
of a heightening. The historical correspondence is heightened and escalated. So,
for example, the virgin birth prophecy made in Isaiah chapter seven,
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fulfilled in Isaiah chapter eight, is heightened and escalated when
Jesus is born, And therefore Matthew can point to that
very prophecy and say this was to fulfill what was
spoken of by the prophet Isaiah. And I think the
same thing is in some sense going on with the
dry bones prophecy in Ezekiel chapter thirty seven. And what's
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important is you have to glean from the text itself
the historical backdrop. Ezekiel is prophesying during a very dark
period in Judas's history. He was born into the priesthood
in Jerusalem right around the time that Josiah found the
Book of the Law on the temple. This was a
time in which spiritual renewal broke out in the land,
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but the Reformation didn't last very long, and by the
time Josiah died, all of the idolatrous practices returned, and
pretty soon the acts of God's judgment fell. But again,
without this historical backdrop, it becomes virtually impossible to understand
what Ezekiel is talking about. He's talking here about the
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resuscitation of Israel and the resurrection of true Israel. So
here's what's going on. He prophesied as he was commanded.
And then you see in the passage that you allude to,
there's a noise, rattling sound. Bones come together, bone to bone,
and Ezekiel says, tendons in flesh appeared on them, covered them,
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and yet there was no breath in them. So he
prophesies again as he was commanded by God, and breath
enters the bodies. They come to life, and they stand
on their feet a vast army. Well, the interpretation doesn't
leave a lot of guesswork. God is going to unlock
the abode of the dead. He's going to reinvigorate Israel.
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I will put my spirit in you, says Ezekiel, speaking
for God, and you will live, and I will settle
you in your own land. Then you will know that I,
the Lord, have spoken, and I have done it, declares
the Lord. The temple was going to arise from the ashes,
and the people would be reinstituted in the land. So
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again that's why I point out the historical context, because
without it you can't understand what Ezekiel's prophesying about. He's
in fact prophesying from the dusty environs of a refugee
camp in the south of Babylon. He's near the river Keybar,
and there he looks into the eastern sky and he's
longing for the glory of the Lord to return to
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the Temple because the temple had been destroyed and he's
longing to return out of exile. So he's talking about
the people of Israel being reconstituted in the land. He's
talking about the temple being rebuilt. So he's looking forward
to a time in the near future, a time when
Zerubbabul would rebuild the glorious Temple and when Ezra would
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rebuild the spiritual condition of the returning exiles.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well, the question then is that was the temple built
with hands? But the temple that was not built with hands,
that's Jesus Christ the Temple, and it looks like to me,
it says, then behold, the veil of the temple was
torn into to the top to the bottom in the earthquake,
and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened,
and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep
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were raised and coming out of the graves. After his resurrection,
they went into the Holy City and appeared to many.
So that almost sounds exactly like Ezekiel.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, But that's again why I gave you the historical context,
and that Ezekiel is now an exile. He's in the
dusty environs of Babylon, and he's prophesying what is in
the future, So he's looking forward to the rebuilding of
the Temple. But you're right, I mean that Temple ultimately
was a type or a shadow that would look forward
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to ultimate fulfillment, and the anti type in Jesus Christ.
But the magnifying glass through which we read the law
and the prophet always remained in the hands of the
New Testament writers. So their typological interpretation of the Old
Testament stands as the ultimate corrective to misinterpretations. The coming
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of Christ has forever rendered the notion of another earthly
temple obsolete, because he is, as you point out, the
temple that is the anti type that fulfills all the
types and shadows.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Very good, Thank you, Hank.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Bless you. And of course there are a lot of
people that look at this very passage and they think
it has to do with a third or a fourth temple.
But to suppose that kind of glory of God will
return to a shrine in Jerusalem is of course, to
regress from substance to shadow, and thereby impune the finished
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work of Jesus Christ, because it's paradise, a new heaven
and a new Earth. Not Palestine for which Ezekiel ultimately yearned.
It is the Holy City, the Nuterusalem, coming down out
of Heaven from God, prepared as a bride, beautifully dressed
for her husband, upon which we fix our gaze. It
is the master Teacher, not a temple, that should forever
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satisfy the deepest yearnings, not only of a prophet exiled
in the dusty environs of a dry and thirsty land,
but each one of us, as we not only thirst
for living water, but we dispense that living water to
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