51. The Trashy Genius

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Hello, everybody, Welcome back toBlonde's Booze and Bullshite. I'm Courtney and
I'm Davin, and it's been twoweeks. It's been two weeks. Yes,
so obviously I'm sure if you listenweekly you've noticed the last like two
weeks, we haven't had an episode. I think, um, because life
happened and we had We haven't doneany doubles recently, you know, so

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we have like no other content relatedpost. We've just been a little bit.
Okay, I have been. It'sjust it's just me. As soon
as I wasn't going to call youup, it's just me. I had
um uh, you know, justone week was like family kind of thing.
And then the next week I walkout and I'm like, okay,

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due to do this, and Ilook and I was like a car looks
left sided. And then I havea nail in my tire. And then
because this was on a Sunday,they're closed so I couldn't find anybody,
um and like until Monday. Yeah, and then yeah, and it took
a couple hours because they don't.It used to be you could drive up

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to discount and they would take youright away, but now everything has to
be by appointment because of COVID.Oh okay, So yeah, like I
felt so bad for that guy becausepeople are like dreaming his ass. Oh
I'm sure. Then it's like,hey, hey, you're you're not that
important. No, like this guyis trying to follow protocols. He's literally

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a job. This is literally doinghis job. Yeah, like fucking chill
people. Yeah, I don't understandthat. I've never got Yeah, you're
not You're not entitled, Like sorry, you're not. You can't go in
there and just demand that your carbe done. And it's weird different circumstances
like don't be a dick. Yeah, I mean it wasn't like, don't

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get me. I love recording.It's like the highlight of my weekend truly.
Um, but it was kind ofnice to have a break, yeah,
because there's been a lot changing andso I'm like, this is this
especially especially kind of it kind ofcame out a perfect time for you because
you had it like a full weekendoff and you haven't had a full weekend.
Oh my god. It was weirdabout requesting Yeah, it was so
weird to now like now I'm backto a normal schedule. I'll have weekends

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off, and I'm like, it'sso nice. I love having weekends off,
but sometimes I miss having like thatday. But I work so early
it doesn't even matter anymore. Yeahfor you, Yeah, you're totally good,
totally fine. But yeah, truecrime news, I do have some
actual news to talk about. Firstly, I found out recently that there is

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a true crime book coming out aboutNexium in April. Interesting. It's called
Don't Call It a Cult, andI'm ready for it. Um, cannot
wait. I need to once thatonce I read that, and I finally
watched the HBO doc initial Impress You'regoing to fuck yourself title not really a
fan but it is. No,it's for sure occult um. But then

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I found Okay, so this newcase has been in the news recently,
um, and I was talking tomy mom about it because she's the one
who told me about it. Haveyou heard of Joel Guy Junior, Um,
give me a little bit more.I'm bad with names. So recently,
on the second of October, hewas found guilty of dismembering his parents

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in twenty sixteen. I you knowwhat I ran across it didn't read it
because I was like, um,but I have I Yeah, I did
see something with a dismemberment of Thanksgiving. Yeah was did what was it?
That? Why he did it?So it was basically his parents weren't going
to support him financially anymore. Fromwhat I've only read like one article,

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so I know next to nothing aboutthis, but from what I can gather,
it was money. Yeah, andlike he had never held down a
job. He would stay at home. I felt it was literally a digit
when the privilege to get mad.He would stay at home and read books.
I'm like fuck. And then itwas like he would go, you

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know to something, do other stufftoo. But he's just for shattering your
life. I mean no, becauseI support myself, like I have a
job. Oh, I mean Iwas sitting there and read oh oh yeah,
if where You're like hmmm this me. No, I just liked books
and I'm like, oh, youlike look around your room and you're like,

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oh shit. Yeah. I waslike, no, we're good,
We're good there. Um. Butyeah, he was finally found guilty.
So that was a weird case.So his trial was for four years No,
I think, Um, I don'tknow how long his trial was.
I think they just finally went totrial. Oh okay, okay, but
it's dumb, like they caught himlike two days after he did it,

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like he did not try to doYou know what, sometimes I think with
the legal system, when they knowit's a slam dunk, they kind of
put it on the back burner forall the stuff they really I think that's
how they prioritize some shit when they'relike, m like, he's not gonna
go anywhere. We're just gonna likeit's a slam freaking dunk. Well,
look at the Hollywood Ripper. Thatcase happened early two thousands and it just

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went to trial a couple of yearsago, and I think that ones were
more of evidence could be. Imean, that case is like they could
have arrested him before any of thoseHollywood Ripper murders happened. For another murder
he did, but the prosecutor waslike, nah, not happening, and
everyone's like, excuse me, reallyit's clear, but okay, fine.

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That case really makes me mad.I've been I've been really getting into a
reading about executing and the politics ofprosecuting. Yeah, that that's a dark
hole. Oh no, yeah,unfortunately it is because it's all up to
their discretion whether or not they doit. And it's an elected position,

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so there's all that. It shouldbe a good thing that it's an elected
position, but that just comes withany other elected position with all the it's
politics unfortunately, which really sucks becausethen it's not about justice anymore. It's
about making sure you get to staya prosecutor. Right, it's like good,
good job things. Could you forgetwhy you went to law school or

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well yeah, because then it's like, well, I need this money to
pay off my student loans. That'swhere ship gets blurred money. It wants
money once. Yeah. Well alsothink like you're like this high powered homicide
prosecutor homicide lawyer, Like that's big. But then you got to scratch it
back somewhere. Then you've got tolike not if you want to if you

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want to go, gonna go upman. Yeah. Um, speaking of
politics, I did I did?Uh? I only have one chapter left
not oh but I did it?Oh God, So impressions, So okay,
I'll be critical just because for professionallyI'm critical now you know what I

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mean. Like professionally, I'm alittle professionally I'm a lawyer. No professional
professionally agree things, so obviously,I my mind is to seek flaws,
especially in grammar. Yeah, Ilove I get such a thrill out of
finding a TYPEO in a finally likefinished book. So this, let me
say this. I can't say enoughabout this book. I think it's awesome.

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I think it's everything that has beentaught. Um, you actually get
the history of it. She goesa lot into history. Yeah, she
goes a lot into it. Ifyou read it with an open mind,
it might change your mind on somethings. It might give you a different
spin. Like I would love foryou to read it. I was going
to say, honestly, I wouldlove for you. It's a great it's

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an easy read. It looks superinteresting because she goes into statistics, she
goes into facts, and she goesinto back then and the politics that they
don't talk about. I think it'sa great book. I think that the
only thing is I think that itwas just it was pushed out too fast.
It was just pushed out a littletoo fast. Because I'm talking she

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wrote this book in like two months, like she probably had it on a
back burner and then it was acceleratedbecause she talks about I mean because she
talks about George Floyd in it,she talks about everything that is going on
right now, right, So itwas just kind of put out a little
bit. That's really fast for publishingwise, because I mean, in my

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unprofessional opinion, I mean, maybea book with that if that's because that
just seems like her line of works. So who knows how much extra research
she had to do just to getthose. I mean, if you politics,
if you would ever listen to her, that's exactly what she's always said.
It's just in book form. Soit wasn't like it's not like she's
just pulling out of these things.It's exactly it's like literally her whole campaign

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in a book, right. AndI just mean like it's probably easy for
her to sit down and it's feasiblefor her to write that in two months.
But in terms of like like editing, but also not even editing,
I mean, I'm sure I don'tknow how many rounds edits have to go
through. Yeah, but usually youwrite a book, it goes through the
edits and it's not published for anotheryear. Like there's a whole thing.
So that is to at least gethype, you know, then advanced copies

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are sent and then I get anadvanced copy and then I reveal it and
things like that. You know,you can tell it was super quick,
Like as I'm reading it, youknow, it was like because she talks
about in there, She's like,you know, as of date, this
is what's happening in the George Floyd, this is before Um, this is
this is kind of the tip ofthe riots. Oh shit, okay,

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um, so it's just the tipof it. It's not you know,
so we're what we're talking like AprilMay. Yeah, we're talking. And
when this book came out, itreleased on September fifteenth. Well, I
do have a couple of book racks, if that's cool. So um,
okay, let me let me think. Okay, I know I mentioned her

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like every time you come to myhouse, but I just read another Jennifer
Hill. Your novel The Butcher,Super great. Really made me upset.
It was a great book. Um. I think I saw the one on
your Instagram. Yes, I did. I finally post. I forgot to
review it, and then a friendreached out and was like, hey,
what do you think of this?And I was like, oh, I
didn't review. It was funny Hopeplease. Um, yeah, I know
that was really good. Um.I just read one called They Will Never

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Learn by Lane Fargo. By thetime this episode comes out, it would
have been out for a week,I believe, or I don't fucking know
when what's coming out. It comesout October thirteen. To believe this episode
it's coming out a week after that. I gotta check my calendar. But
it's really good. It's about awoman who's a serial killer, but she
kills men who rape women and getaway with it, who abused women and

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get away with like all this,it's fucking amazing. It was a really
cool idea, Like Bundy, lookat all. I didn't you mentioned them?
I didn't. I pought the Bundychair you did? Um? Also,
okay, so that was my secondbook. Right third I'm reading I'm
finally reading a series that I've beenwanting to read for a while. Now
I'm reading the first book. It'sThe Hypnotist by Lars Kepler, and they

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write really fucked up serial killer thrillers, so right up my alley. And
then finally starting from the beginning,even though I did commit a sin and
read the newest book before just readingthe whole series. So I did read
the sixth book. I have itright here. You can't see it.
It's right that one. Oh mygod, it's huge. It is,
okay, so it is, andit did take a huge book. People,

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I read the Rabbit. Well,their books are all like like,
got big. I want you allto think Edgar Allan Poe and then it's
like maybe half yeah, well that'salso all his stories. Yeah, this
page this book, oh, thisis actually a shorter one. The one
I'm reading right now is six hundredpages. Um, yeah, this one
is five eleven. See, thisis where it gets fucked up with me

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because I am like, I've readthe Candas Owns books and it was like
a two hundred and fifty maybe threehundred, and I got through that in
like a couple of days, andI was all proud of myself and then
you have to pull out this monster. No, but it took me.
Like this week's called the Doorstop.It did well. Yeah, so but
then I shouldn't tell you I've readthe first one really quickly. Oh I'm

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almost done. Yeah, I'm wantingto finish today. We'll see. But
it's really good, So recommend thatfor anyone who wants. And that's the
last one. Yes, so thatthat's the one. So that's the Rabbit
Hunter that just came out this year. Um, their new one has just
been announced called Lazarus Book seven,and that comes out sometime in twenty twenty
one. I don't know the dateexactly. I have to read everything else

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before I look forward to that one. Self. I don't know how.
I don't know how you read thismuch, I would find which is fun
you know what's funny? It isso crazy. I bit myself. I
just I jinked myself, basically becauselast time we talked, I think we
were talking. Last time we recordedis when I read Book one hundred,
right, and UM You're like,oh, do you ever get into a

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reading slump? And I'm like now. And then I got into one and
I was reading really slow, likeslow for me, slow people, but
like slow for me, and I'mlike fuck. Like I looked at my
good Reads because that's where I trackall my books, and I was like,
oh, I didn't read that muchrecently. It's not funny. Yeah,

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yeah, like I go through Ihave been just because I've been reading
that Candice o One's books. Iwould just been like, we should take
a break. We have a funcase today. Fun case, um,
get some wine, yeah, andwe'll be back. We'll be right back.
Welcome back. Okay. So todaywe are going to be talking about
Patrick Kearney, aka the trash bagKiller, aka the freeway killer. Which

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there's been so many freeway killers.There's like at least what five six more
than that probably seven seven? OhI was close there, you go.
Yeah, well I saw seven andI was like, but I only saw
it in two places, and andone of them was Wikipedia, and one
of them was non creditable. Okay. So he was born in East la

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on September twenty fourth of nineteen thirtynine, and he was the oldest of
three boys. While he had hehad a pretty stable childhood in terms of
what we see normally with a serialkiller. In my opinion, he was
bullied in school because he was thinand sickly, so kids just thought he
was strange. Because of that,the pulling, the bullying did have an

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effect on him, a long lastingeffect, if we're honest, He had
lower self worth, and of coursehe was really withdrawn and then caused this
withdrawal. He started to have fantasiesabout killing people at a pretty young age,
so who I don't know how young, but we can speculate. His
father seemed to be pretty involved.From the little that I could see.

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They would spend afternoons together shooting.His father taught him how to shoot a
pig when he was about thirteen yearsold, and the way he taught them
he was so the way he wastaught to shoot pigs was he would do
it behind their ear around there,like you know, behind the ear,
and that does come into play later, so you need to keep that in

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mind, Jes saying, So unsurprisingly, he becomes obsessed with killing pigs aka
first point of the homicidal tryout anyways, and always is so unsurprisingly he becomes
obsessed with killing pigs to the pointthat I read that he may have even
cut them up and rolled around intheir intestines, you know, with super
chill like Saturday. God, Ididn't read that, Are you serious?

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I read it in like two placestwo ish, so who knows how prevalent
that is. But the one thingI did see, at least, you
know, whether that last thing isn'ttrue, he did start to kill pigs
that weren't meant for slaughter, becausethat's what his dad was taking him out
to do, was teaching them howto kill pigs that they were then going
to slaughter and you know, usetheir meat or whatever they were doing,

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right, And he wasn't killing pigsfor slaughter at that point. High school
years kind of went by similar tohis early or his early school experience,
and he became more lonely and hereally held onto these violent fantasies. One
article said that he was quote losingfurther touch with reality, which is very

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dangerous when you're also like having fantasiesabout murdering people. But okay, cool,
I don't know like when this allstarts. So this story is interesting
in that he kills a lot ofpeople, but it's a very shortcase from
what I could see from this whathe does. Yeah, you know,
we go from his childhood just likeyeah, then he started learning how to

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pick up men and murder them.And I'm like, wait what. So
it's just very choppy, So II try to find like the middle,
but there's not like he's just underthe radar, like he didn't do anything.
He was and we'll get to whyhe was under the radar for a
little bit. But yeah, yeah, it's just it's just kind of weird

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that there's not something it's that.And then we also don't have too many
details in each killing. It's like, yeah, this is kind of what
he would do, and then here'shis victims. So it's like, um,
it's it's a little weird. Soagain, I don't know how early.
I'm like, he's already killing animals, which is very concerning. But
at some point he starts to honehis skills in picking up men, and
he mostly did this and San Diegoand Tijuana. To begin with, he

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was fluent in Spanish, so wheneverhe would go to Mexico, you know,
he can navigate himself. He hadto pretty easy time talking to people
navigating the city. And in nineteensixty seven he becomes involved with a man
named David Hill. Now it's saidthat after high school, Karney did join
the Air Force and this is wherehe meets David. Despite so, David
was already married, but the twohave an affair and David ends up leaving

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his wife to be with Karney.I did hear that Kearney may have been
married and divorced by this point,but it wasn't really clear again in terms
of like how long when, likewe just know he may have been married,
but it's not even concrete. Soat the point I believe, did
you read like I believe Kearney wasdischarged or he didn't even complete basic or

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something like his stint in the militarywasn't long. No, he went through
the basic and then though was it? What's the point like at that point?
Actually, that happens a lot.They just realize they can't handle it.
They can't because okay, it's notlike being in the army like you.

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They they break you down to buildyou up because they it's a certain
type of person. It's through programming. Oh my god, So I mean,
Sonny, we're covering that. Whycan't every time I want to talk
about that one military product? Yeah, thank you. I don't know why
whenever I want to talk because Ibelieve that we are mk altered right now,
like we are under that that thingright now. I wouldn't spise my

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fucking foil hat set. So justso you know, she takes her foil
hot. I'm off to record aboutany other times, not barely barely.
It's like the side in the backit's like right next to her hip,
like say, she can pop itright and make it a fanny pack.
But yeah, a lot of peoplethey get through basic training and then they

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just realize they can't handle the likebeing that the what the army is and
what I mean, Yeah, Itake it back culture. It's a lifestyle.
It is. You go in thereand it is a whole different lifestyle.
Like you you sacrifice yourself for thecountry, and that's what it does.
That's so commendable, but it's notfor everyone. So anyways, to

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go back to it, not everyone, not everybody is able to like go
forward after basic training because you haveto go after basic training, and once
you get out, sometimes they're likeI'm that fuck no for me, goodbye.
Some people can't take the the youknow, having somebody in your face
and telling you what to do.Some people don't be yelling at you and

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all that ye'll have that they don'thave that control. So it doesn't surprise
me that after basic training he waslike and that's the no. But especially
with him, and what I've beenreally interested in is because you know,
I obviously denounced for him, butalso on our next case that we're doing
for Halloween, which I'm excited about. It's interesting to see how, yes,
they're a serial killer, but thentheir sexual preference changes how they kill

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from what I've noticed, you know, like you can take like you already
mentioned him and Bundy, like lookat how he kills versus how this guy
is going to kill, or lookhow he kills versus how Dahmer would go
about it. You know, it'sit's a little different, right, and
it seems like you know, theones who I don't know. It's very
interesting how it just plays out.So anyways, back to Kearney, So

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they end up moving to Culver City, California. Over time, though they
argue more so, they have kindof like a very on again optican relationship.
And this is very important because whenthey're off and when they're fighting,
that's when Karney goes to kill.That's his outlet and that's when he lets
you know, he does have acooling off period, and it's when they're
good, you know, they're goodfor a year, he doesn't kill anyone,

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and then they break up and thenhe kills. Yes, he kills.
It's like the way he gets hisrage. So it got to the
point they were fighting so much thatDavid leaves and goes back to his ex
wife, who he had left forKearney to begin with. Um So,
to blow off steam, Kearney wouldtake a drive in his Volkswagen Beetle anything

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ding ding ding. No, No, you're not gonna say it. Okay,
I'm not even gonna this one.This literally literally, I've been waiting
for you to say that since youstarted that sentence, and I was like,
I'm not gonna fucking do it.I know she's gonna try to scrap
me. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna fall for it.
I'm not falling for it. You'renot getting me, you go, He's

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not going to fall for your truck. I know, I know, but
this one actually did have a passengerseat. Don't give a fuck, don't
care. You're not getting me.It's not happening. Okay, you already
you broke the cherry. Did youpopped the charity to begin with? Um?
I did? Anyways, I'll takefull responsibility for the boy anyway.

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So he would go, So hewould he would kind of interchange the vehicle,
so he would go from the beatall twist truck. But he would
cruise gay bars in southern California andin Mexico. Um, However, he
wasn't just driving for a bit offun to then come home, like we
said, He went to gay barsto pick up men to then murder them.
Now, it's important to know thathe was a pretty small guy.
He was five five, barely tallerthan me. That's truly, I'm tiny

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fook. Yeah, And you know, so he was very small. He
had a slight build, but hepreferred men that were taller than him.
So of course, you know,this forced him to result to actions that
would one not put him into anyphysical danger as much as possible, but
two he would have to subdue hisvictims. And we're gonna get to a
little bit more about that in asecond now. According to Kearney, his

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first murder happens in nineteen sixty two, and he murdered a hitchhiker in Orange,
California. We don't know who thisman was. He was nineteen and
he was white. That's really allwe know about him. Kearney said that
he was He convinced him to geton his motorcycle, which I don't know
whose motorcycle this is. I don'tknow he had one. I don't know
if it's the guys, So Iimagine it like Floyd from Fucking Dumb and

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Dumber pick this up? Do youknow what I mean? The one that
one scene when he's like, Ipicked this up, right, He's just
like coming at him while we're yeah, I don't if, I don't know,
I don't know where it comes from. Um. So he then takes
him to a secluded area which isanother part of his mL and it was
near Indio, California. So oncethey arrive, Kearney then shoots this man

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and has sex with the body.He is a huge necrophile. Just FYI,
oh yeah big time. Like thisone kind of made me like,
this case is disgusting. It kindof reminded me of that other one that
we did um recently where he waslike I killed juice, screw you.
Um. But Henry Lucas, ohmaybe, Like it kind of reminded me

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a bit of that. I hadthat kind of vibes because I was like
to see that because it was verysexually motivated and time. Yeah, this
this what I feel like. Ifeel like it's always the sexually motivated ones
are the most fucked up ones.And those are the ones you want to
look at. Our big serial killersthat we know again, Bundy, BTK,
Dahmer, Um, Gaycy, GreenRiver. They're all sexually motivated killers,

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and that's who we know because theyjust don't fucking step Oh. And
that's why I had that other oneup that you were like, oh,
yeah, I was just bothered.I was like, we're supposed to be
covering another key. No, no, no. So the reason why I
had that one up is because he'sknown as a freeway killer too, same
storyline. Really, I'm talking thatone. That's why I wanted to bring
it up. And that's why Iwanted to bring it up because with him,

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because they were so close. Thesetwo are similar. I was,
these ones are so similar that like, but he was like sexually raped um
a lot during his childhood to apoint where like he didn't even realize it.
And then he had a lot ofvictims as well. Same thing,
same same thing this is And that'swhat's weird with it, because that's why

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I and that's something I'll talk aboutmaybe we'll talk about him in a little
bit. But it's so similar.Speaking of now, when I say so
similar, I mean like timeline.It's like, I'm like dahmra Nielson,
They're the same story. So Itake out a chapla factory and we're just
so like, this person is likewhat twenty how many? How many victims?
Twenty one to what? Oh god, it was like this guy some

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said thirty It was like twenty eightto thirty or something or more. Hold
on, I can look it upreally quick. Forty three. Wait here,
twenty one to forty three? Waitwho had forty three? This other
guy or Kearney Kearney, Oh,I never saw forty three. That's interesting.
And then the other one was twentyone to thirty six. So like

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that's why I had it up becauseit was so similar. All of it
was similar. Gay bars picked up. I'm talking copy and paste where I'm
like, is somebody fucking with us? Well that's how I felt like,
Like like sometimes I feel like,did did we make up? So like
and there's list the victim everything,and I'm not trying to take this away

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from the victims. Sometimes I'm like, did they make this shit up?
Because it's so similar with this one. I'm going to tell you, I'm
excited to hear about it. It'sso similar, So I just have to
another side note, um, sincewe didn't since I covered Nilson a few
months ago. Earlier this year,there is a movie coming out about Nielsen,

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and there's been photos of the actorplaying Dennis Nielsen. It's the same.
It's Dennis Nielsen, like he looksjust like him. So I'm really
interested to watch that movie. Um. Okay, So first victim motorcycle indio.
Um has sex with the body rightnormal shit. Um. So it
doesn't sound like the remains of thisman has ever been found, so it's

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kind of like a Butcher Baker thingwhere unfortunately we don't know where a lot
of his victims are, which makeshis count very hard to like substantiated,
because he was going for so longand he would leave victims either on the
side of the freeway reasoning got hisname in trash bags, Reasoning got his
name, or he would leave himin the desert. So by the time

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they caught on to him and likewhat the seventies or eighties, like there's
there's you can't find them. Unfortunately, it's even worse is his second victim
was this man's cousin because when hewent to go pick him up, his
cousin was with him so he couldid him right. So somehow Kearney goes

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back to like try and find him. But it's weird. It's weird again
because the timeline and I looked atso many articles and it was just regurgitating
the same fucking story. So mydetails are very limited, but it looks
like again it coincided with an argumentwith David. I don't know how he
found him, this cousin or whatever, because it wasn't like he wasn't like

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a Bundy thing, like a CarolBundy thing where she went back for the
friend. If you're going to believe, Um, what's the space's story and
drove eight miles this way in twohours that way, and like up to
space and got to other person likeI don't know what happened, true,
went up to space, saw Jesus, you know, just a normal Saturday
night. Um, just a normalsat nothing crazy. So they're like the

(29:22):
first um, like the first twomurders are very close. Um David and
does end up coming back to Kearney. He leaves his wife again, and
Kearney doesn't murder again until apparently nineteensixty seven, which I find very hard
to believe, even if you're ina happy relationship. Like I know BTK
stopped murdering for what ten fifteen yearsand then came back, or well he

(29:45):
actually stopped when he came back withhis letters and was like planning his twentieth
murder or whatever. It was alittle dick wado that he was. Seriously,
you got away with it this long, and you're like, you know
what, fuck this freedom? Fuckthis freedom was like of it. I'm
I'm tired of being able to dowhatever the fuck I want to do.
Dear FBI, I'm very I'm veryupset that you like to me about that

(30:07):
floppy disk? How dare you?First of all, I'd like to clarify
some shit I love. There's alwaysthat meme where it's like it's um,
BTK talking to the FBI, andit's bt K, can you track me
with this floppy disk? And thenthe bottom of it is a photo of
John Mulaney's one of the stand upspecials, and it's like and I said,
no, like a liar. Well, that's basically about having like this

(30:30):
dumb ass things that they're not whatgoodbye? So um okay, Yeah,
I find it hard to believe thatKearney didn't murder because he's a sexually motivated
killer, and it seems just inthe little research that we've done, they
don't like he doesn't stop. Butthat's a pretty big cooling off period.
We're talking about what four or fiveyears? Five years, that's a long

(30:52):
time. When he murders again,him and David are in Tijuana. They're
visiting a front of Davids, andso we don't know who this friend is,
Like, there's not a lot ofdetails. Um, Kearney only knew
him as George his now Okay,So I don't know if I just sucked
up my nose, But I don'tknow if he murdered the friend or just
some random guy named George. Oh, I did want to say this.

(31:14):
Did you know that um in middleschool? That um he lived in Wilcox,
Arizona? Mm hmmm, No,I never saw that really. How
far as Wilcox from us? Abouttwo hours? Two three? Which way?
Where are we going? California,Nevada? Where are we we're going?

(31:37):
Like? Oh, okay, yeah, I believe we're going more north.
Okay, I can't exactly. I'llhave to show you, like I've
been there. It's like it's small. It's small small, Oh yeah for
sure. But um, but Ijust saw that we kind of breezed through
that, and I just saw that. Oh yeah, no, I never
I never came across that. Yeah. So they went from California and then

(32:02):
they went and he was there forlike middle middle school ish, and then
they moved to um Ronaldo Beach,California. Oh okay, he was like
sixteen seventeen, I believe. Oh, and then but that explains his bullying
then because it's a small community.And I feel like, like I lived

(32:25):
in a small town for a littlebit when I was like thirteen, But
this school dynamic is so different,um from like a small town to like
here and like suburbs of Aria Zone. It's a little it's bigger. It's
totally different. And obviously time yearsare different, so who knows. Population
wise, it's totally different. Again. But and this isn't like nineteen fifty

(32:46):
three five, I'll say fifty three. He was born in forty three,
thirty nine, thirty nine, Okay, I would have been forty fifties,
right, M like fifty four fiftyfive, yeah, okay, so in
Tijuana, So I don't know ifthis if the friend was George, if

(33:08):
it was just some random guy hemet while he was shout in Mexico.
Cheers bitch, Um, I knowyou want to go to Mexico again.
Um So, whether or not,like George, is his real name,
no one really knows because again thisis not only is he in Mexico,
So the US really has no jurisdictionover there at all. Right, um

(33:29):
so we really in jurisdictions are notcommunicating at all. Again, we don't
know basically anything about this. Allwe know is his name, maybe George.
According to Kearney, what he didwas that he went into this guy's
room shot him with a pistol,and the way he would shoot him was
in the temple or like in thatear area, which is he would slaughter
pigs how he was taught. Andhe then takes the body and lays it

(33:54):
in the bathtub. He does commitsexual acts with the body, and it
decides it to be a great ideato dismember the body and the skin and
the skin with an exacto knife.That's okay, one, okay, So
when I can't, I can't.First of all, listen, I gotta

(34:14):
I gotta have I have to acknowledgethe time in what way of an exact
o knife and just thank you.Okay, So that's what I That's what
got me because again we've covered sincewe've been doing jointly joint and stuff,
since the last year, we've covereda lot of big serial killers. We've
covered a lot of sexually motivated ones. Yeah, and you obviously they keep

(34:36):
doing it so they like it.But the fact that this guy was like,
I'm going to take an exact oknife, which if you don't know
what an exact fame like. It'sso small. It's for art and precise
cutting, for artistic things. That'swhen I use it exactly exactly. It's
so the fact that you're taking thatknife to skin someone, it means you

(34:59):
want so much time with that deadbody. You want so much personal time.
And I don't know if he's skinnedthe whole body with an exact real
knife. I don't know if hejust cut parts of it. But the
fact that he even used But evenif you say you're going to do an
arm that's so much time, somuch time, it's an hour, even
if you're going to face Yeah,it's so so much Edgaine could never Edgaine

(35:22):
good never, Like, if we'regoing to compare it to anything, that's
the best thing we can say.We're honestly too with Yeah, no,
you're so right, and like it'sjust that should tell you how much this
man liked, like, for lackof a better term, playing with dead
bodies, for sure, that's likethat's what it was. Sure, So

(35:45):
he also, um, he's sowe're gonna get to his a little bit
later of why it it took themso long to like capture him. But
okay, he is very meticulous.He is very organized when he kills,
to the point that he took outthe bullet that he shot the guy,
like you know, he shot him, took out the bullet and so he

(36:06):
can't it can't be traced back tothe gun that he's been using. Um.
He then buries the remains behind theman's garage and like that was that,
and he didn't murder again for anotheryear. And because he was afraid,
he was basically afraid that law enforcementwould get him. Remember it's still
very early on. He's only doneit for like three years or three kills,

(36:28):
right, so it's very I don'tknow, he had I don't want
to say he had a conscience,but it was. It's interesting, yes,
So he did again have a coolingoff period, but by nineteen seventy
one his rampage really starts again becauseguess why do you want to guess?
Because he'll leaves him, but DavidHill leaves him. I can't understand why

(36:50):
you only a murder. I can'tunderstand. Maybe the exact nice thing I'm
like skinning, he didn't took outthe trash like he has a bad habit
of leaving his clothes on the ball. We can't, we will never.
Maybe the fact that he's fucking psychomm so would be the one again.

(37:14):
So he's he's really taken this timeto again, like I've said this before,
he comes in on his skills again. So at first he learned how
to um pick up man at gaybars or also hitchhikers. Remember this is
the time hitchhikers are huge still sovery much he's so picking up hitch hikers
aon, isn't it funny? Okay? So this happens in California and da

(37:36):
da da da, Like California wasjust littered. It was a whist,
Like how the more we do researchon this. The more we do our
podcast, I'm like, California,you did you? When have you ever
had your shit together? I'm surprisedwhen CEO rampage doesn't happen in California.
I'm like, when we do research, I'm like, oh, you never

(37:59):
went to the coast. That's interesting, But so many I feel the statistically
to survive California and the fifties andsixties was like not even it's literally the
fifties to the nineties, yeah,or eighties, this in this in this
era. Okay, we have him, we have Dahmer. We have I
mean, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, not Dahmer.

(38:21):
We have um Golden State, yes, But the other one I'm thinking
of Zodiac, Yes, Zodiac Yeah, yeah, yeah they Kemper, Yes,
Kemper was here. Um uh mylast one, Manson, thank you.
Manson was around this time, Likethe revol Ramirez, yes, is

(38:45):
twenty fifteen years later when he isreally active with it in the seventies and
eighties is when he's active. Like, there's so many we haven't covered yet.
Then this is like a thirty yearspan of California just being in excuse
me, just being indentained and undated. Thank you of just serial killers.

(39:07):
Yeah, running rampant. Yes,And it's so crazy to me that like
California has always been like this coolarea where it's fine, but like the
more research we do, I'm like, but is it like my home state.
I'm like, yeah, so I'mlucky to serve. I call myself
a survivor hair flip flip. Iwas lucky to get out while I could.

(39:31):
But there's so many in this timeperiod, Like it was so danger
between the twenty years, I wantto stay between No, the thirty years
between the fifties to the nineties isjust a excuse me. Fifties to the
eighties is just a crazy year.And then it just it stopped, stopped
because by that time we understood serialkillers and things were developing. Once,

(39:55):
I want to say, once ithit nineties, that's when they were like
like, unless you're a serial shooter, Like we've had what three serial shooters
in Arizona, you know, inthe past ten twenty years. And I
feel like that's really the only wayyou can be a serial killer nowadays nowadays,
because we just we can get youso quickly because of all the DNA,

(40:16):
you sweat, you breathe wrong,you spit accidentally, like no matter
what, but anything shoeprints your hand, like everything is tracked now Survey like
it's just impossible to be a serialkiller nowadays. So basically, in nineteen
seventy four they estimate that Kearney waskilling about one person a month, which

(40:38):
in the grand scheme, I meanhe's murdering, so one is too many,
not as much as we maybe seewith some other serial killers. But
his mL was pretty simple. Sowhat he would do as he would pick
up a man on the freeway,hitchhiking or in gay bars. A lot
of the men he targeted would resemblehigh school bullies apparently that he or just

(40:58):
his school bullies and general they wereeither prostitute hitchhikers, men from bars,
or also children. He murdered childrenas well. Once in the car or
his truck, Kearney would then shoothis victims in the temple. He typically
used Darren George twenty two pistol,and he would do this while he was

(41:19):
driving. So this mantherfucker is someticulous that not only is he has one
hand on the wheel and his righthand is shooting someone. He's also monitoring
his speed, like how fast he'sgoing, so that he doesn't go over
the limit and then get pulled over. He's not driving erratic. He is
calm, cool, collected. Heknows what he's doing. And one of

(41:42):
the reasons why he doesn't get caughthe thought about this. He's very organized.
Once he murdered the men, hewould then leave their bodies in the
passenger seat, and they were justsumped over, so they looked like they
were sleeping. Probably so if anyonedid pass or like he did, get
pulled over like I mean, ofcourse, maybe not pulled over, because
that wouldn't work because then they wouldsee the bullet hole. But for the
most part of people were driving by. They're not going to notice that this

(42:05):
isn't a dead body of someone sleeping. It's very innocuous. He would often
use a hack saw to dismember bodies, and then he would dispose of them
in various areas like canyons and landfillsalong freeways, again how he got his
name. He would dispose of themin the desert, and of course,
you know the likelihood of the bodiesbeing found is even more slim, especially

(42:29):
because from what I could gather,it seems like he is leaving body parts
in different areas, So the fullbodies not in all one area. It's
over here desert. Yeah, hedispersed them around. I'm and honestly,
I think it's just because he didn'tknow what the fuck to do with them.
In my personal opinion, I don'tthink he knew what to do with
them, and he was just likeok. But even that shows how even

(42:54):
when he doesn't know what to do, he is still so he still has
the wherewithal to be like, Okay, I'm not still not going to leave
him all in one area. Yeah, that's you know, he didn't have
to dismember them. He didn't haveto leave the body parts in different areas
and drive all these this way,right, you know, he made that
choice. So that shows just howmuch he still thought about it in the

(43:16):
heat of the moment and the afterand the after of it. You know.
It's yeah, so he even wentso far again as like to drain
the blood from the bodies, likewhy, okay, thank you. Um.
He also washed part of the bodiesto get rid of evidence. But
again, like I mean, it'sthe seventies week what evidence, like seamen,

(43:40):
and that's it. We can't findshit from you anyways. Like there's
fingerprints, right, that's it.That's all we got. Yeah, that's
what's to kind of surprise me too. And I was like he went like
if he had maybe bet in likethe nineties, then I get it,
you know, because at the ninetyfive is when we finally started using DNA
ninety six because that's when OJ wentto trail, right, Okay, yeah,

(44:00):
so that's when we finally started usingDNA and could use it and sort
of knew how to, but likeit wasn't necessary, we couldn't do anything.
Also, all the bodies were nudeas well, so I mean it
maybe kind of obvious, but noneof them were in clothes. So from
there he would drive to a secludedarea, you know, but after shooting

(44:22):
them and he would commit sexual actson the dead body. He would also
apparently beat them once they were deadand take out his anger on these bodies.
This is thought to be like acathartic experience for him. It was
a way for him to release upall the pent up anger. And if
you think about the fact that he'sdoing this when he is breaking up with

(44:44):
a boyfriend, his boyfriend, DavidHill. It makes kind of makes sense,
I guess if you're thinking, youknow, maybe it's just one of
those times where he thinks about everythingthat went wrong in his life. He's
like beating his body and like whatever. But it also made him feel like
he was finally in control. Yeah, I don't outside of the bullying,
I don't know what control he neverhad, because from the little I can

(45:05):
see, he had a stable homelife. Yeah, so outside of the
bullying, I don't know what youwere trying to compensate for. I don't
either, Like I didn't hear anythingabout your mom. Again, it seems
like a lot of the sexually motivatedkillers have issues with their dad. Yeah,
and they had some type of issue. Yeah, and your dad was
stable. Yeah, you know,I mean you're growing up at a time
again. Well, it's like we'relooking for a rhyme or reason, but

(45:27):
we can't find me because maybe whatI'm doing yeah and that and that,
and it's because there's always been something. There's always been a tail, like
you know, there's always been like, well, his mom was a fucking
kind but it's always it's always alwaysit was abusive or his something has happened
in their childhood, where in thisone it's just it's it's who he is.

(45:51):
Maybe this is yeah, maybe thisis just who he is. But
and again, sometimes you're not gonnafind mind, like, even if he
was a victim of his parents inany type of way, he may not
see himself as a victim and won'tportray himself to be a victim. Like.
He may not you know, hemay not ever share certain details of

(46:14):
his childhood because he doesn't think they'rewrong. Yes, yes, well,
I mean look at Carol Bundy.She didn't think it was wrong with her
father raped her at eleven, right, you know, she still loved him
and that was my dad and Ihad a great child. Yeah, it's
fine. Like there's a lot ofthem that didn't realize because they're they're like
they I mean, honestly, theyprobably think, Okay, this goes on

(46:36):
everybody's house, this is what happensto everybody, and they may have a
friend where they have a similar situation, you know, because of whatever.
But yeah, well in the timeframe it I mean, unfortunately, like
and honestly, like it kind ofmakes me weird about all these killers that
we have so much information on butwe only have information about up to a
certain point. Like and when II and I will going to the person

(47:00):
that you did see that was onmy screen, um will Um William Because
again, like when I read offthese things and I'm just gonna go through,
it's literally going to be like apower Yeah, like highlights of highlights
of what this is. Yeah,because when I say it's similar, you're
going to be like the same thing. Interesting because he was known as a

(47:25):
freeway killer. He was tagged alsoas well, and even if you look
up certain things, you're gonna seehis name with this one because they just
tagged him as a freeway killer too, Okay, and that the reason why
I picked, Yeah, that's whyI kind of like picked him to talk
about was because it's so similar.I'm talking creepy five maybe here we actually

(47:46):
let me look at this one.Like when I say this, we're talking
like maybe um, like from hiskillings and everything, we're talking to three
years five years max between And that'swhat he did too. He had five
Yeah, I think six years mayhave been as longest this one. So

(48:07):
the guy I'm going to be talkingabout in like, okay, just to
give you a little bit in nineteensixty five join the Air Force. Why
is it that all these all thesemet I mean, maybe it's the time,
then that's just what you did,because we're on the heels of a
world war or maybe in a worldwar, right, but every sixties.

(48:28):
Well this guy was in thirty nine, but I'm saying he grew up but
like in the war era, right, So I don't know how that maybe
impacted him. But a lot ofthe serial killers we talk about are in
the military up to a certain point, like the one recovering next week never
did and he was a little later, Like maybe we get the Vietnam eight
years later. Oh yeah, that'strue because that was sixties right now that

(48:50):
I think about it, because rightwhen I said that, I was like,
no, bitch, Vina, Soyeah, I had on paper,
but it would be in the timewhere people would start joining the army or
their force or military, any typeof military branch. But yeah, anyways,
let's go ahead and finish this case. I'll go into what I found
on this one. But oh yeah, because we'll start ranting and getting into

(49:15):
confusing shit. Yeah, okay,so we're gonna go a little bit into
some of his victims, Like Isaid, he does kill children as well,
unfortunately, and I don't know why. I don't know what, I
don't I don't know, I don'tknow. So Ronald Dean Smith was five
years old when he disappeared in Lennox, California, on August twenty fourth of

(49:35):
nineteen seventy four. His remains werefound in Riverside County on October two that
same year. Police start to catchon to the murder so around this time,
like in general, they're not linkingto Kearney to any of them yet,
but they notice like he's dumping them. I think it's mostly the freeway
ones. The freeway ones is howhe gets his name, obviously, but
I think that's what they're finding,and they're like, we have a fucking

(49:57):
problem. And this is U.In nineteen seventy five, when the remains
of Albert Rivera are found, hewas twenty one. This is when they
kick off the trash bag case,is what they called it. By November
that year, police would find sixbodies in four different counties, and a
lot of the time, after dismemberingthe bodies, he would put the bodies
in trash bags right, okay,already said that got ahead of my notes.

(50:19):
I'm sorry, okay, and Iskipped a line, okay. So
Ronald Dean Smith, my bad.So he disappeared August twenty fourth. His
remains were found in Riverside County onOctober second. Now I've been to Riverside.
Don't know really how close that isto Lennox honestly, but they did
find his remains. On April sixof nineteen seventy seven, Merle Hondo Chance,

(50:39):
who was eight, He was objectedin Venice and apparently he was riding
his bike somewhere near where Kearney workedat the time, and he would later
say that he smothered him, tookthe body home to then dispose of the
next day, and when he did, he did leave the body in Angela's
National Forest. His mate his werefound me twenty six of nineteen seventy seven.

(51:02):
This may have been his last victim. Listening these notes like three weeks
ago and don't know what's going on. It's maybe, yes, I think,
actually yes, it was his lastvictim, because the one before this
is what was getting the police ontohis tail. And he still had time
to commit one more murder. Okay, so I think it's right. I
do have a name of victim,list of victims. Give me a break.

(51:23):
So on June sixteenth of nineteen seventysix, Kearney disk kill thirteen year
old Michael Craig McGee. Now thisum. Michael lived in Rodondo Beach,
and Kearney says he picked up Michaelwhile he was hitchhiking on Ingold Avenue.
He befriended Michael by inviting him togo on a camping trip to Lake Elsinore,
because that's normal, getting a campingimitation from a fucking stranger and being

(51:45):
like that sounds fun, thank you, let's go. I got my sleeping
bag right here. This is afucking no for me. And for some
reason, Kearney thought Michael was athreat. Again, he's thirteen, Kearney
is what thirty forty by this time? Okay, But how I do want

(52:05):
to mention and I forgot to mentionthis earlier. But when we were mentioning
on how like it's kind of weirdbetween the mom and da da da da
da, there's nothing, But weforgot to mention the fact that he is
a genius. I was gonna getten a little bit. Yes, he
does have a very high IQ,very IQ, which has all have a
very i q a very large iq um which has also been determined in

(52:30):
a sense of serial killers when theyhave a higher IQ. We'll look at
Kemper. Yeah, Kemper had ahigh IQ and he was very meticulous.
Where I think that and and andagain we're going to revert back to where
when I talk about William, Williamalso had a very high high IQ.
Where I mean too like you know, maybe those smart people maybe we gotta

(52:54):
maybe we gotta give him a secondgander. Well, because some of them,
and this is not all, butfrom the little bit of research I've
done, you know they're smart here, but then they lack social skill well,
because intelligence is a subjective guess andit's deferent as in the way you're

(53:15):
intelligent does not equal book smart.And I think that's where people like don't
understand intelligence. They think, ohintelligence, Oh he must be super smart.
He's he's a scholar, yeah,where he takes information and retains it
in where intelligence is not based uponschool intelligence and IQ scores are based U

(53:37):
bond. I want to say emotionalmaturity and ability to adapt yeah, and
a lot of these people are stuntedemotionally or there's something that they just don't
and he was it's emotionally or sociallythat there was and he was, Yeah,
but he had a high IQ ofhe it's adaptability. Like like when

(54:00):
somebody says, oh my god,you're very intelligent, it doesn't mean that
you're very educated. And um It'sfunny because like went across a meme where
I'm like, I think so manypeople mistake that of intelligence or interchangeable terms
they are you're so, you're sointelligent or you're like, oh my god,
you're very intelligence, because how doyou get intelligent, You get educated.

(54:22):
That's just kind of progression. Butsome education, education and intelligence are
actually very different. Yes, yes, intelligence is capascinate and then what you
learned right and he is he that'swhy it took you know, if you
take out like the lack of forensicevidence and capability of the time, he

(54:44):
was still pretty smart in terms oftrying to cover his tracks as much as
he could. Um. That goesto one of that just is one of
the reasons why he wasn't caught soearly. But in terms of like Michael
Um you know, he's thirteen.Kearney is the one who picked him up.
Um, but somehow Michael's the threat. Um, so he shoots him
like he normally does with his othervictims. And this is after Like,

(55:07):
so Michael had been in juvie rightunfortunately, and he started talking about the
things that he had done previously,um, which apparently Kearney like took wrong,
like he thought he was a threatquote unquote, but he's a liar
in my Like, No, yeah, you wanted to kill him, that's
why you picked him. I'm don'tfucking oh he was a threat. Fuck

(55:30):
off, No, it wasn't afucking threat victim, exactly. You can't
hide from us, like serious,you can't. Like you you can sit
here and tell me all day longyou felt threatened to this. Um,
I'm sorry what we see it thirteenthirteen. Um, you're not. You're

(55:51):
not as a grown adult. Like, let me tell you, I don't
care. I can take a thirteenyear old like nobody's fucking business. I
don't give a shit. Let's voids. I can take your ass down.
So and and I got kids,and I'm a woman. Yeah, I'm
gonna put that I'm a woman.Okay, as a grown ass man.
Don't try to fucking No, No, that's just what he's trying to You're

(56:15):
not a victim. QUI trying toplay fucking bitch. But look at also
look at you know Merle Hondo,he was eight, Look at Ronald he
was five. So are you justtrying to cover up for the fact that
you also murdered children? No?Yeah, are you trying to victim mentality?
Bullshit? But for what you werebullied for? What? How many?

(56:36):
Because he's a victim. He's avictim. He's a victim. Victim
intellitu does that. They take itfrom childhood all the way up, they
take it all the way Oh trustme people. Okay, well, then
why do we have so many serialkillers that shouldn't I think that's also ego.

(56:57):
Some of them are ego, likeBundy was ego. Dahmer, I'll
give you that Bundy was ego.Be okay with ego of some of them
are ego. No, they're allego. They're all I was a different
ego because it's a no matter whatit's, it's it's being domineering to something
else, like you are dominating anotherthing. We can go down the line.

(57:21):
Bundy did it, Kemper did it. They all, all of them
did it because of the sheer factthat they wanted to dominate over either the
opposite sex or power or they wantedto you know, ha haha. I
am more than what you say.I am yeah, yes, yes,
yes, the narcissism and everything,right. Um So, apparently at some

(57:44):
point during this drive in the conversation, Michael asked Kearny if he had burglar
alarms in his house and where theywere, and this is apparently what maybe
he said right before Kearney decided toshoot him. Apparently again, Okay,
so while um Karney did go toLyngs to avide identification of the bodies,

(58:05):
he does slip up in nineteen seventyseven. And this is the beginning of
the end. So we're gonna pausehere for a break, and when we
get back, we're going to talkabout this case that got his motherfucking ass
caught. Bam. We were atthe beginning of the end, and so
that starts with Jodas Jodas de youarfucking god, John Otis, Jodis,

(58:30):
I don't even know where Oh mygod, John Otis, Hey, John
otis LeMay, and he was seventeenat the time of his otis sorry,
well, don't judge me, sorryreally because like, no, Lie,

(58:52):
I would have done probably the samething. It's like true Hollywood, but
we just back yeah, right,true, untrue Hollywood. So he was
killed in March thirteenth of nineteen seventyseven. Prior to his murder, so
around five thirty pm, the youknow, Dave prior LeMay told us neighbor
like, Hey, I'm heading toRodondo Beach to meet a man named Dave

(59:15):
who I met at the gym.Right, this ended up being Patrick's lover.
David Hill is who he met.So he has to their home and
he's not there, but Kearney is. So he's like, hey, let's
watch TV until David gets back.You know, we'll just hang here and
John or Jodas if you like tocall him, that is like sure,

(59:36):
okay, out of nowhere. Kearneythen grabs his pistol shoots Leamy in the
back of his head. He laterdismembers hand dumps his body in the desert.
So that's fun, right, okay, And this is not his last
murder. The last murder is theeight year old who went by Merle right,
So this is the one before that. Now it's important to note that

(59:58):
his behavior and actions again when undetectedfor the most part, apparently like once
this all came to light, thegrocery store owner commented later and said that
he would later come in a lotand buy butcher knives, and he would
comment or ask about them, likethe quality of the steel that he was
all these metal like these knives,right, so he's like, how good
are these? Or are these goingto hold up? Are they gonna break

(01:00:21):
mid slice. I do a lotof hunting, I do a lot of
scalping, and I use an exactoknife, but I'm thinking to upgrade.
I come in hands too much,and I just I can't do that anymore.
All those so the little blade's notworking as well as it used to.
Going to hell for my freaking joke, me too. I have a

(01:00:42):
throne there. You want to sitnext to me, my right, on
my left mine, so is Satanabove it. We're gonna have some um
battles, old, Trust me,I can guarantee I've done way more bad
shit in my life than you.Probably yeah, um in like one year.
But if um if it's it's ifit's worth a worthy of noting.

(01:01:07):
Um Kearney was a model worker,as they all are, and that's you
know what, and of the communityof I don't know what that's what it
is because they have to compensate.They have their social face and they do
everyone I know like normal. Ifeel like they even they're harder workers in
a sense because it's like almost anovercompensation where you always be normal, have

(01:01:29):
to be normal? How do Ibe normal? Kind of all? I
always see like um, even withthe butcher Baker, m yes, very
much bt k. He was afucking deacon, right, Like they overcompensate
the perception of their life because itdecreases. Again I'm sorry, but Bundy
look at him where they're like,it can't be this loss. Yeah,
and it can't be this head ofthe Republican Party who wrote it like a

(01:01:51):
bruschhore about how not to get raped, which right the way, is not
something women need to know, likeit's what it should be for men.
But anyways, well, no,I'm can look like how many and in
our case next week? I wasjust gonna say, our case next week?
Is that all of that? Buthe's he's on ten times higher right
in my opinion, Like, Imean, you can take Dahmer and he

(01:02:13):
wasn't really that way. He wasa shitty worker, right, and people
said that like he wasn't as prominent, and but our case next week is
just I feel like he went aboveand beyond right, I did show and
I do too. And there's somany people that do go into either a
law enforcement a political role because theycan hire stature just because they have access

(01:02:39):
to they have access of what theywould need to know and how to know
it and what Kemper. Kemper hewould go hang out with cops and he
would get to going, oh,what's going on with that co ed going
on? And it's so funny.I saw a TikTok on something on that
and they were like they were tryingto explain Ed Gaines and I was like,

(01:03:00):
watch out, bitch, like ifanything that is my bread and butter,
like Ed Gaine or Kemper Edgeine,and like they were like explaining and
I was like, and I commented, like the longest fucking thing. And
I was like, and then listento our podcast. No, Edgeine didn't
hang all the cops. No,no, no, no, no,
Kemper. I'm sorry, no,no, no, he went after he

(01:03:22):
was going after. I'm sorry,You're right, I did. No.
He was saying something about Kemper,and I was like going in on Kemper.
I'm surprised we covered Kemper as earlyas we did, Are you kidding
me? I was like, Iwas like a premature ejaculation of it,
Kemper, Like really, our firstepisodes were like, you mentioned Kemper a
lot and I don't remember who Imentioned. I know I had my own

(01:03:43):
that I mentioned a lot um.But then we've switched to Bundy after we
covered Kemper. It feels like likewe had our transmission face into like everything.
Um, Like, we talked aboutBundy a ton, but that's just
because Bundy is like uber relatable becausethey made him so. He was the
face serial killer. But not onlythat, but he was unfortunately the first

(01:04:05):
serial killer who was like, lookat this, this man seemed highly functional.
He was attractive because apparently that deemsyour role in society. It does,
and I get it and fine,but I hate it. And it's
like, look, going if somebodyelse is attractive and I don't care who
you are and anybody can fight meon this. Imbody to fucking go.

(01:04:28):
Bro, We'll give your social soyou can find it. I don't give
a fuck because it is if somebody'sattracted coming up to you, are going
to be more inclined to be nicerto them and then be more inviting.
Somebody has is ugly and deans ofugly. Now I'm not saying like what
I think is subjecting. It isso super subjective. But if you find
the person attractive, your inhibitions oryou're not inhibitions, but your ability to

(01:04:54):
sense if something as wrong, guardsare going to be down for a little
bit until they start talking to you. And that's what Bundy did where Bundy
was like, oh my god,help me that, you know like that.
I get so mad when I'm likewhen they're like, oh if he
was hot, if he was ugly, these these girls wouldn't have give him
the time of day. Correct,yes, and like that's where it gets.
That's where I get like, I'mlike no, like, no,

(01:05:18):
you don't think so I get upset. Went hot? Wait, what do
you not think if he was IfBundy was ugly, do you not think
the women would go to him?No, nope. I think if he
was ugly, he would knock offhelp on that that trailer hitch that you
fucking didn't have a boat for Okay, the boat was fucking five miles away
from which one was That was thatum Samama doc at the dock when he

(01:05:42):
was like, oh I need helppunking out? Remember the boat boat?
Yeah? That was now the castYeah like that TikTok. I like Ted
Bundy ruined helping strangers for everyone,because if he wasn't good looking and charming,
they would have been like were Ithink it's the charming. I think
you could be mediocre looking and sowe charming and someone's still gonna help you

(01:06:04):
unless they're drunk. No, youdon't think it's interesting. I'm telling you
right now. The let us know. We want your feedback. But anyways,
gone, okay. So I havea list of victims and just yeah,
we're gonna go over that. SoJohn Joe one again, that's the
first killing. Sixty two sometime aroundthe spring. He was nineteen. He

(01:06:25):
was driven to a deserted area,shot in the head and sodomized post mortem.
I do want to credit this listis from Wikipedia. Our sources will
be in our description box below,like you through all victims? Yes,
wow, yes, yes, sothe ones that I could find. So
John Doe two was sixteen. Again, this is John do once cousin from
nineteen sixty two. He was drivento the same location as his cousin.

(01:06:48):
He was again shot in the head, sodomized. Post mortem. We have
quote unquote Mike he was eighteen.We don't know date he was killed,
date he was found. He mayhave never been found. He again shot
in the head, sodomized. Georgenot really the year or we don't know
his age is what that is?December nineteen sixty eight. He was found

(01:07:11):
July eighth of nineteen seventy seven.So yeah, So the Wikipedia is contradicting
itself because in the table it saysit was sixty eight, but yes,
we said sixty seven, so itwas somewhere in that time frame. Look
it up yourself if you would liketo do your fucking research that we didn't
know. Tired of doing it?Actually I'm not. I will never tire

(01:07:31):
of this. Um, I'm tiredof doing it. I don't want it
anymore. Um we already know theface of this podcast. I shouldn't have
to. I shouldn't have to doit. I'm here to see pretty.
I have a face for radio.Okay, yeah, you can see what

(01:07:56):
We're never We can never do YouTubepodcasting forever, it would we would just
I cannot edit that. I canbarely edit our podcast. Sometimes there's there's
no way, there's no way.You never know where I'm go, not
even that. But it's just wedon't sit still long enough. Like there's
we just we make a week.We have podcasts, a d D.
It's a thing. It's a thing. We said. So. So we

(01:08:18):
have John Yeah, so John Demichick. He was thirteen murdered June twenty sixth,
nineteen seventy one. He was foundFebruary ninth, nineteen seventy three,
a year and a half later,a little roughly, and he was shot
to death. We have James Barwick. He was seventeen, murdered in sometime
nineteen seventy two, and he wasfound September twenty second, nineteen seventy three.

(01:08:41):
But you can guess he was shotin the back of the head.
Ronald Deane Junior Smith Ronald Yeah,sure, he was five. He was
suffocated and his remains were found Octobertwelve of nineteen seventy four. We have
Albert Rivera at twenty one April thirteenthof nineteen seventy five, not really sure
where his remains were found, buthe had again been shot in the head,

(01:09:03):
taken to Kearney's house. He wassodomized posts post mortem, he was
dismembered, stuffed into trash bags tothen be disposed of in various locations.
And it was by victim number eight, Albert Rivera, where people were the
police were like, we have aserial killer, because so many had already
been killed in a similar fashion.Number nine was Larry Jean Walters, twenty.

(01:09:24):
He was murdered November tenth of nineteenseventy five, Not sure when his
remains were found again ms exactly thesame shot, sodomized, dismembered, trash
bags, different locations. Kenneth EugeneBuchanan, seventeen March first, nineteen seventy
six. Would we just do wejust did Larry Jean Walters, Okay,

(01:09:45):
don't forget about Okay, Before thatwas Robert Billy and he was his body
was never found. He was seventeen. Yeah, why had that? As
victim eighteen was he really yeah,okay as victim ten Oh okay, okay,

(01:10:08):
so maybe again. Time frame onthis is just because the date that
he was killed was around fall seventysix. Yeah, that's why. As
same as Oh okay, okay,got it? Yeah okay, So yeah,
I have him on my list atleast. Um So. Kenneth Buchanan
March first, nineteen seventy six.Um So it is basically the same,

(01:10:29):
um, except he was shot threemore times after being shot in the head
when he was actually fucking dead.So that's cool. Um. Oliver Peter
Molitar he was thirteen. March twentyfirst, nineteen seventy six, was the
day he was murdered. His remainshave never been found. He was one
of the ones who was pick pickedup hitch hiking. He was sexually assaulted.
He was shot, dismembered and buriedin various areas at the Palos Verdes

(01:10:55):
Landfill. Very um, whys ofyou? Larry Amandaraz he was fifteen April
nineteenth of nineteen seventy six. Hisremains were never found. Same m basically
Michael Craig McGee thirteen June eleventh ofnineteen seventy six. His remains were never
never found. Same m John WoodyWoods. That's just too much. He

(01:11:20):
was twenty three. June twentieth ofnineteen seventy six was a day he was
murdered, and he was found almosta year to the date he was murdered.
He was found June twenty first ofnineteen seventy seven. He was shot
to death. We have Larry Epstein, he was seventeen, murdered sometime in
nineteen seventy six and his remains werefound August twenty third of nineteen seventy six.

(01:11:41):
He was shot in the back ofthe head, sodomized, postmartem and
dismembered. We have Wilfred Lawrence Charity, twenty murdered August twenty eighth of nineteen
seventy six. Remains were never foundand he was shot in the head.
We have Randall Randy Lawrence Moore whowas sixteen murdered sometime in a guest of
seventy six, and his remains werefound in October tenth of nineteen seventy six.

(01:12:05):
Robert Billy benefitl seventeen Fall of nineteenseventy six. His remains were found
pretty quickly after. He was ahitchhiker sam Amo body parts of various locations.
We have David Allen who was twentyseven Fall of seventy six, found
in Fall of seventy six sam Amo. Mark Andrew Rick, he was twenty.

(01:12:28):
He was murdered October six of nineteenseventy six. His remains may have
been found the same day, notreally sure. Timothy b Ingham he was
nineteen murdered November fifteenth of nineteen seventysix, and his remains were found on
the twenty fourth of November, whichwas really close to Thanksgiving. May have
actually been Thanksgiving and his remains werefound. We have Nicholas Nikki her her

(01:12:49):
mam doz Jimenez. He was twentyeight, murdered sometime in January of nineteen
hunt is it Jimenez? Thank you? So? He was murdered Janey of
nineteen seventy seven, and he wasfound that same month on the twenty third.
We have our Taro Romos Marquees,twenty four, murdered sometime in February
of nineteen seventy seven, and hisremains were found that next month. In

(01:13:13):
March, we have John Otis LeMayseventeen March thirteenth, nineteen seventy seven is
when he was murdered, and wehave his remains were found five days later,
on the eighteenth of March. Thelast victim was Merle Hondo Chance and
he was eight. Now, asfar as we know, Kearney was active
over a fifteen year period in whichhe murdered twenty five men. Twenty five

(01:13:35):
was what they could prove, butestimates are higher than that. I read
twenty eight to thirty or more sohis capture. Okay, So in March
eighteenth of nineteen seventy seven is whenLeMay's remains were found. And by this
point police had already been on beenworking in a trash bag case. Like
we said, that's sort of avictim eight. So they've been working on

(01:13:56):
this for a while and LeMay wastheir big break because as guess what,
police found out that he visited Kearney'shouse because LeMay told his neighbor. Yeah,
right, that was that was ahuge thing. Yes, he had
been seen that he was not careful, He had been seen with them.
You know, people knew where Lemiewas going. Um, police had visited

(01:14:19):
Kearney during the LeMay investigation. Thiswas prior to the murder of merle Chances,
so unfortunately they did not stop himin time to prevent that little child's
murder. During the investigation, theyfind out that LeMay had been seen with
both Kearney and Hill at some pointand upon at some point the couple do

(01:14:40):
run to a passo and then leavetheir jobs behind, obviously, but what's
interesting is the family of each manreally talked them and they persuaded them to
turn themselves in, and so theydid and at the time Hill was thirty
six. After being arrested, hewas cleared of any involvement and he was
released. However, some believe thathe was actually the one that was the

(01:15:02):
killer and that Hill just or thatKiarney took the fall for him, so
that's kind of interesting. But policedo get a warrant to search their apartment
and they do find of what hehacksaw. They were also here samples and
blood that would test positive for beingthe blood of LeMay. Now, Kiarney
admitted to everything, He didn't hideanything. He confessed to twenty eight murders,

(01:15:25):
but only twenty five murders could befully attributed to him, and those
are the twenty five that we justcovered. Right now, I did read
again, So the highest I personallyread was thirty five, you said in
the forties, right, right,Okay, so it's somewhere in there.
Again, unfortunately it's more than whatwe know. To avoid the death penalty,
he does plead guilty to twenty onecounts of murder and receives twenty one

(01:15:48):
life sentences. And while they believehe did commit the other seven murders,
they didn't have enough evidence to actuallycharge him with those. I don't know
who these other murders are, Like, we only know the names of the
twenty five. I didn't see anyother one, so we have no I
don't know. So after his arrest, he was interviewed by a psychiatrist who

(01:16:11):
determined his IQ was one eighty.And that's freaking high. Right, So
again, like we've already said amillion times, that's how we could cover
his tracks, that's how he hadthe wherewithal to do all this shit.
He was sent to California State Prisonin Mule Creek, and as recent as
October twenty fourteen, he's still thereand alive and kicking. He's still doing

(01:16:32):
his thing. So yeah, that'sKearney. Yeah, um, do you
want to tell me about the other. Yeah, okay, So I have
wildon Where the fuck did I getthat? Jonas will yum and then bowen?
I think that's how you say it. How's it spelled? B O
N I N bowen? Right?Okay? So okay, So here's how

(01:17:00):
similar the shit is. Okay,Okay, not only okay. So I'm
just gonna give you rundown details.Okay, I want the highlights. Born
in nineteen forty seven in Connecticut,Um on January eighth. Okay. Neglected
by parents, neglected by grandparents,sexually assaulted, I'm talking sexual statisism,

(01:17:20):
everything. Okay, We're going tocheck all the boxes when we go down
on this one. Yes, okay. Um. First sexual experience was when
he was probably about I want tosay eight, And is that when he
was raped by his family? Yeah? About eight. Around that time,
he had like, um, likehe was submerged in waters, punishment,

(01:17:45):
like he was threatened at knife point, like I'm talking shit. Childhood was
abused, severely abused. Okay,join the Air Air Force and right,
Um, then he started assaulting youngboys. Okay. All of his victims
were the under the age of eighteen. Um, Okay, he has multiple

(01:18:11):
ones where it's anywhere between twenty onetwo. I don't want to get this
wrong because I said it wrong earliertwenty one to thirty six of murders there
most of most of his uh wereteenagers. I take that back. There
was two nineteen year olds, so, but most of them were under the

(01:18:36):
age of eighteen. He had twoof the nineteen year olds and right,
and these were all rapes and murders. This was all saw to me.
This was all at one point heactually like a cop saw him pick up
a boy mid mid action, gothim and that's what got him. Um,

(01:19:00):
what a dumbast. Yeah, Iattempted rape with one of a fifteen
year old and that's when the policegot him and apprehended him, charged with
fourteen murders, three counts of robbery. Was convicted in his first trial,
and he was sentenced to death.Now with him because and in California this

(01:19:23):
was he was the I believe hewas the first one to be executed by
a lethal injection. What year wasthis on? Nineteen or nineteen ninety six?
And wait was his murders in Californiain Connecticut, No, it was
in California. He was the firstone. He was born in Connecticut,
right right, but he did asCalifornia as it did as California is in

(01:19:45):
the murder. He did his murdersin California. That's interesting because they only
instituted the death penalty again in thatyear or that time. Was exactly what
happened was with him, here's howhe locked out. They were gonna go
ahead and do lethal injection with him, like they already knew. But the

(01:20:06):
person they did before him, theysaw that like this person was like whatever
they did. However they did thelethal injection or maybe it was something else,
they were like, oh, I'mthe front humane because the person really
really suffered. So with him,the execution was a little bit different,

(01:20:27):
like they sedated him and everything wasshown except for him getting put on the
table and then everything and then theyshowed everything else. But but he was
executed on three twelve. No,I'm sorry, No, he was executed
on two twenty three, nineteen ninetysix, and he was the first person

(01:20:47):
to die by lethal injection in California. Now, the reason why I was
so flipping back and forth between thesetwo is because this miliarities are so eerie
that they called this person the freewaykiller, and the other ones that I'd

(01:21:08):
have seen that they do call thequote unquote freeway quote killer. They the
similarities were. It was just theyleft bodies on the freeway or near the
freeway. That's that's no, exactly, no exactly. But this one was
so similar to Patrick that for threedays I was researching William before I found

(01:21:31):
out it was Patrick that we weredoing. I guess that's good. We
had that little break. So thatthat's why I wanted to bring him up.
And that's why I had him upon my thing, was because the
murders were so similar. Right,the body count was twenty one plus.
They were only able to do twentyone plus. So let's go ahead and

(01:21:54):
put this a little bit of perspective. Let's go ahead and draw it back.
Okay, we have two killers atthe same time. This confessing is
over fifty bodies him between the bothbecause he was he was tried for twenty
one, but he confessed him moreas in the other guy. He confessed

(01:22:15):
to a little bit twenty eight.M Like, think about that. That
is fifty people. I don't evenknow fifty fucking people. No, I
don't either, And that is inthe same time period that these people are
being tried. And I'm talking thisis like besides the fact as Patrick didn't
have like the upbringing as William did, right, but from a certain point

(01:22:39):
on, they were picking him upat gay bars. They were going to
find them. They were finding hitchhiker'sprostitutes. I mean, between Dahmer and
these these ones, they're the trifectabetween Patrick, Dahmer and William. These
guys are just going after gay barsleft and right, finding the vulnerable men.

(01:23:00):
Right, are just on the pretenseof hooking up like normal shit,
and they're just like, yeah,I'm gonna kill you right now. And
wait what like are you? Areyou serious? So I encourage anybody to
go ahead and look up both Patrickand William and tell me what some similarities
that you might have fine from bothof them because against the same time periods,
almost the same area. Oh okay, well yeah, they're both in

(01:23:24):
California. They're again collifering it.What the fuck's up? Yeah, they're
both in California. Um. Theonly thing is that, um, with
William in like nineteen seventy eight,he did get like arrested for like rape
and stuff. So he did goto Like, so he hits very much
with our next topic next week.Yeah, so he he did go through

(01:23:47):
the prison system and he did sowe had an idea of him rather than
we did the Patrick. We didn'thave any idea of Patrick. Yeah,
yeah, he wasn't in residential.He did always have a troublesome pass.
But mirroring them up it's crazy.Yeah. That's what's so eerie about some

(01:24:08):
of these serial killers is it's likeyou do know. It's you're like,
check check check, Yes, Okay, I expected that, expected that.
Okay, fine, Like there's notmuch that surprises me anymore, you know,
like I'm not surprised on hardly anythingat this Yeah. So next week,
we're finally doing a Halloween episode.Correctly, I'm like, last year,

(01:24:29):
it's our only second Halloween episode wherewe covered it and the week of
Halloween that's gonna you know, we'recovering it. What do we do?
Last year we did our We hada Halloween case. Remember I did the
Curse of I don't want to sayhis name wrong because I don't want to
get cursed. Um, but wecovered separate topics. What did I do?
I don't remember we'll have to looklater, but we did too,
so you know what, I rememberthat when I think it was on Halloween.

(01:24:53):
No, it was two weeks beforebecause then we didn't a factory episode.
No no, no, no nono. What we were doing was
a crime and that was on Halloween. And I'm pretty year that I did.
Um hm it was Valentino. Valentino, Yeah, it was. Remember
remember that's when we did True Hollywood, True Hollywood. Um. Yeah,

(01:25:16):
and that's what it was. Itwas it was a Latin lover. Yeah,
and he died on Halloween, yeahnight. I think he was tortured
or something. So we planned ourcases happened on a Halloween night. But
we published that like two three weeksbefore Halloween because we didn't know how did
that was. That was two monthsinto us podcasting. Um. But we

(01:25:38):
have a very fun Halloween episode plannedfor next week. It's our Halloween Bonanza.
I'm gonna start calling it, um, so stay tuned. I'm very
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