Gaylor Swift Conspiracy: Secret Lives, Staged Romances, Travis Kelce Beard Theories & More!

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rumors have swirled since Taylor Swift's rise where her public relationships carefully

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staged covers from Diana Agron, Linernote gossip to Carly Claw's sightings from coded hairpin
drops and albums to a private gala subreddit that went dark after the Kelsey engagement.
Believer say that Taylor Swift teases messages for fans to decode.
This episode we're going to unpack the evidence, visual cues, music videos, tabloids, and

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encounter arguments, the Travis Kelsey beard theory, and why the rollout itself feels very
suspicious.
Fascinating, we're reading the symbols, the lyrics, and the receipts.
Here we go.
Here we go.
You know what?
That chat, I don't know about the chat, GBT, intro.

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You know what I do is I drop in all my notes and I say, give me a little something.
And it always has to end with like fastier seat belts or Taylor Swift exposed or something
I'm like, alright.
Can you come with something new?
No.
No, AI sucks.

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And I'm not using it anymore.
No.
It's always a lot doubt.
So today we're going to talk about Taylor Swift.
It's a show I have no right doing.
You know more about Taylor Swift than I do.
I know nothing about Taylor Swift.
I'm not as wifty.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Yeah, we're completely unqualified to talk about this today.

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We're old.
But I do think is interesting is my friends love Taylor.
Oh, they'll tell you all about where you went wrong in this show, I bet.
I don't know.
I have a set of 18 guests.
Well, the Swifties come out in full force with everything.
No, that album was from 1995.
I don't know what the fuck they say.

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It's at least some dumb shit.
I'm like, okay, I get it.
I don't give a fuck.
I don't give a fuck about Taylor Swift at all.
Zero.
Here we go.
You know, so let's do a whole show about her.
We're going to do a whole show.
No, I like talking shit about her is what I like to do.
Because it pisses people off.
And I like to put it in their little faces about why they need to stop worshiping celebrities.

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That's the whole of this whole show.
Says the guy who worships celebrities.
No.
Yes.
No.
Are you better watch your mouth?
God is listening.
And he knows a fucking lie when he hears it.
I like my celebs that I like, but I don't put them on this.
That's how everybody is dumb.
No, that's not.

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Everyone is, they put them on these pedestals of feeling the need to defend them.
Like you, like I talk about Leo about how greedy he is.
I was going to say I literally talk shit about Leo constantly.
And you always talk shit about Leo.
And you defend.
I defend until it's not.
And then I'm like, well, of course he likes 24 year olds.
He's an old fucking perv and he's probably stuck in teenager mindset.

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Because he's been famous since he was 12.
I'm not saying it's okay.
I just am like, whatever.
I don't know.
I don't look to him for relationship advice.
There you go.
That's it.
That's exactly what it is.
That's the right attitude.
But no, no.
No, we can love them.
We can be like, look at them and be like, they're very pretty.
But like for more as a moral compass, I think that that is a moronic view.

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That's not how the Swifties are.
The Swifties are like, she is the goddess.
Everything she says goes, we look to her for every way to think about everything.
And we overanalyze all the shit she's saying.
And I just think it's all a front.
I think it's all staged.
But not to pick on her.
Like everyone, it's that famous.
Okay.
What stage on that though?
Are you talking about?
I don't believe that she's the whole thing is like, oh, she's the best ever.

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She writes all her lyrics.
First off, bullshit.
If you look at any of her liner notes, she has a slew of writers on every track.
Oh, okay.
Does she come up with some of these ideas?
I'm sure.
I'm gonna say she's a fucking terrible person or not a good singer or she has no creativity.
Or she's not a writer.
Like she probably writes in conjunction with other people.
Totally.

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I think this is what I think happens.
This is what this is me being tell Swift.
Oh, man, I had a bad week.
Travis was being mean to me.
So Rosa the Red, that's her blue.
Travis is mean and so are you.
And then she walks in with her million dollars worth of producers and she's like, look at
what I wrote.
And then they say, okay, that's good Taylor.

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Now let's clean this up around the edges a little bit.
And then it comes out to this other song completely.
And she's like, why I'm a co-writer, which is true.
I just don't get it.
I don't get why people are so fucking naive that they don't think that there's a lot of
energy put behind these artists.
Well, it's not just artists though.
Like it's the same thing with like, let's say Tesla.

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Everybody thinks that Elon is the fucking genius behind Tesla or the electric vehicles.
And like, that isn't how shit gets fucking made.
Like everybody has teams of brilliant people that add into the pot.
Exactly.
To make it go where the fucking thing needs to go.

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So it goes.
It's the American Foulist.
This idea they want to have the one person be the genius and the truth can't, can't is it
part of the myth?
It's capitalist bullshit going back to Thomas Edison.
Oh, Thomas says it's grace and federal of our time.

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You know the fucking light bulb.
No, he didn't.
No, he didn't.
He had teams of brilliant engineers who figured all this shit out.
He was like Elon Musk.
He sits in his stupid fucking nerd room.
And he's like, I'd like to go to Mars.
And then he has enough money and tells all these nerds.
He figured out how to get us to Mars.
And they're like, okay, let's start with this rocket.
The Falcon 9, where the fuck they call it, blows up half the time.

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You know who is the brilliant ones?
Tesla.
The ones that die.
They call it Tesla.
Yeah.
The real Tesla.
The one that fucking dies and the government comes and steals all of his fucking information.
Yeah, exactly.
Those are the br- that's the actual genius.
Yeah, I think Einstein was a genius.
The ones that die broke.

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Devo the band.
Yes.
They do.
They stood for fucking something.
Josie with a deep cut.
They stood for something.
And when you're brilliant, you stand for shit.
And when you're a capitalist, you get the teams together to figure it all out.
And that's just the way it is.
It's just the way it is.
It's just the way it is.
And it's okay.
But you got to remember that your fucking idols love them.

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Maybe they even do some fucking good maybe, probably not, but whatever.
But they probably do some really shitty things too because human beings are flawed.
Absolutely.
That's all I'm saying.
All right.
That's fair.
So I think she's gay.
No, I don't know.
Hi, T.
We're going to go through.
We talked about this a couple of weeks ago.

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We teased the show.
You're full of shit.
I'm going to go through what is out there and we'll come to a conclusion here.
Okay.
And if you're on the I think conspiracy in 2025 has taken us into such a fucking horrendous

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shit hole.
So I just want to say thank you Isaac for contributing to this goddamn nightmare that we all live
it.
So that's fun.
Black pill hell we're living in.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Thanks.
You're welcome.
Now, okay, where do we start?
Oh, we're also going to do the tear two shout outs today.

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Now for the listeners, if you hear some shit on this show and you've got a correction to
make, shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up.
Only correct me.
Never cracked us.
Leave it in the comments if it pertains to the argument, right?

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Like if I mentioned, I've never, well, I would say I've never listened to a Taylor Swift
album, but that's a lie.
Why do you not like Taylor Swift?
What is your fucking hang up about this?
I don't hate her music is good.
She got some catchy songs for sure.
I just, it's not my kind of music, so I don't listen to it.
Okay.
But I do love Celine Dion.
Yeah, I do.

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I think she's great.
Okay.
But Taylor Swift, I listened to the folklore album.
Okay.
So I was trying to listen to...
Is that the one that was the last album?
I have no idea.
Okay.
It was...
Why one girl from Washington?
Wait, I think she was the poets.

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Did poets or poets something?
Is that her last one?
I believe so.
I don't remember.
Tortured poet society.
I don't remember.
That one, all of the girls at the salon liked.
Okay.
Well, the only reason why is because you were really into folk type music for a minute here.
No, I do like folk music.

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You still are.
I would argue.
I do.
I like it.
And I was getting...
Do you like it?
Yeah.
I like it.
Okay.
I do.
It's not my cup of tea, but I like it.
What does that mean?
I don't know what that means.
It's not something I would typically listen to.
What do you listen to?
Rap music.

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That's just it.
That's the end of it.
And I listen to 90s shit.
I like 90s music.
Like what?
90s has like fucking...
A lot of grunge, the most.
Okay.
90s rap, 90s grunge.
Yeah.
I like metal, but not anything newer than 2000.
You put them really into.

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Who's the fucking...
That German band?
Tom Sting.
Yes.
I love that weird-ass gross fucking old guy.
He has a crazy song about pissing on him, and I love it.
Uh-huh.
I like it.
I like it.
I can't think of it.

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Oh, I'm going to think of it later, and I'll sing it to you.
It's my favorite song right now.
They were...
I mean, that counts as 90s to me, because of DuHost.
Yeah.
Well, he's got a new one, and he's singing in English, and he talks about getting pissed
on.
Oh.
And I love it.
He enjoys a good pissing.

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Would you piss on somebody?
I mean, they've got to want it.
I mean...
Oh, yeah.
If you were like, "I really want it," I'd be like, "Okay, fine.
I guess."
I wouldn't choose to do that.
I don't think I'd get anything out of it, but I would definitely piss on somebody that
wanted me to piss on them.
I'd be like, "Sure, I don't know."
So that was your thing?
I'd want to know what they'd want to do after, though.

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I'd be like, "Hey, you're going to have to shower."
Like, this is...
And I'm not cleaning shit up.
I'm...
You know, I should be a dumb.
But I'd piss on people, and then I'd make them clean my piss up.
And you're...
What's the vagina...
Fuck, a thing called...
The monologue?
No, the cup.
The little thing that shoots out like piss.
Like on a dick.
A cone, or what do you call it?

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So, when we can stand up and pee?
Oh, what is that called?
What do you call those?
A douche canoe?
A douche canoe.
No, I don't know what it's called.
I'm making shit up.
Okay.
Anyways.
So, okay.
Taylor Swift.
Taylor Swift.
It's been rumored that...
Basically, since she got famous.

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I don't think she's a bulky.
You think Taylor Swift...
There's a whole album called "Folk Music" or "Folk Lore" or something like that.
I don't know if I can...
I know it because I was going to get my structural realignment done.
What is that?
Oh, okay.
And they were playing this music.
Okay.
I was like, "This is chill.
I like this.

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Like sometimes I need to chill the fuck out."
Yeah, you are.
And...
You are.
And it was Taylor Swift.
Yeah.
Taylor Swift and I was like, "All right, listen to it."
So, this is the whole album.
That's pretty good.
All right.
I don't hate it.
Hey.
She's good.
You know what?
I would argue that.
You know what this is.
This is the...
You get like this.

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I forgot this about you.
Oh my God.
Okay.
You hated the Beatles irrationally.
For fucking ever.
That's true.
And you fucking hated Chicago.
I can't...
No, that's a fucking lie.
I never hated Chicago.
What was the other one?
Peter Satera.
You think I hated Peter Satera?
I don't know.
I love all of them.

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I love Chicago.
What's the other one that you hate?
It wasn't the Stones.
There was some other band that you were like, "They're overrated."
And then, "Oh, you too."
Oh, you too?
Yes.
I fucking hate you too.
Okay.
But like, they have good songs.
Like, there's...
What do you fucking...
You get so mad about shit that is so irrational.
Because I just think that I feel like our society tells us these people are the greatest.

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And mouth readers just go along with it.
Like, "Yeah, they are the greatest."
Which way...
Talking about it, you two's got like three good songs.
Over 50 fucking years.
Like, they're terrible.
That's a terrible fucking run.
Well, the Beatles were great.
The Beatles were great.
I do stand corrected in that, especially given how they were so revolutionary.

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Yeah.
And I didn't think that until I heard the White Album.
Okay.
And I was like, "This is really good."
There's a couple of albums they have that I like, after they got all fucking blitzed
out of their "Mino Nell's" deans shit.
Yeah.
And these are got good, I think.
Oh, I don't think so.
I loved all of their.
I loved it all.
It was so good.
The old stuff is like, "Reversoll, you don't like fucking rubber soul."
I have to hear it, I don't know.

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All right.
I just...
I don't like it when...
You get told it was good.
Everybody...
Yeah, like everybody's on this bandwagon and I'm like, "I don't see it."
And they're like...
The only one and I have somebody who loves this person dearly that always reaches out
to me and I love them.
But listen, it's Beyonce.
Beyonce for me.

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Same with Beyonce.
I feel like she has really good songs though.
Like there are songs that Beyonce said I fucking love.
But what I hate about Beyonce is Jay-Z.
And I think Jay-Z is so fucking weird.
And it makes me irrationally dislike Beyonce, I think.

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Yeah.
Because I think Beyonce's music is pretty good.
It's just like, I'm like, he's so fucking weird and every time she wins a fucking award,
she literally is walking out with 50 fucking awards.
She can't even carry them all.
And he's complaining that she didn't get a word of the fucking...

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I don't know, whatever.
Millennium.
And then next year, here she comes out with her...
Exactly.
That...
You're picking up what I'm putting down here.
That bugs me so fucking hard.
I can't even deal with it.
It feels so manufactured, is the only way I can describe it.
Yes.
That's a bug me.
And I'm like, "Do you people see this?"
Yes.
Okay, that's fair.

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And same with Beyonce.
I bet she's got three or four songs that I would be like, "Okay, those are good songs."
Oh, I think she's gonna do that.
And I think Taylor Swift has more than that.
You're being funny.
And that's what I want.
I want to argue that because it's not my kind of...
It's not made for me.
Right.
Right?
An old fucking white dude?
Yeah, yeah.
And Taylor Swift is not for me.
Gotcha.

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And that's fine.
Like whatever.
I don't give a shit.
I just want to be like, "But they're manufactured.
You guys do know this, right?
You guys know that this was...
What's everything's fucking...
What isn't?
It will run.
We literally can't even get lunch with me.
That's not filled with clisteria.
Everything's fake.
It's all fucking fake shit.
So here we are.
Okay, go.
Well, since her launch, there have been rumors about her.

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And this isn't gonna be a breakdown of Taylor Swift and all of her shit because I've talked
about her many times in the past.
But since she got famous, all of the men...
Can't get your personal thing.
Yeah, how come you don't like that?
She's from literally the next town over from Lombome.
She's from Reading PA.
See, look at you.
Shit, all over your hometown.

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Well, I'll see you're doing much good for the local community with her billions of dollars.
I do agree with that though.
Maybe she does though.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
She might be the greatest person ever with philanthropy.
I don't know.
Maybe she does it secretly.
Yeah, maybe.
Could be.
But that's not the point of today's discussion.
Okay.
All of her dating relationships have like some kind of element of being staged, right?

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Like the tabloids have always speculating on it.
They're always talking about it.
It's always in her music.
There were rumors of her dating people like Zach Efron.
A whole list of celebrities that supposedly she was dating that she says she never dated.
Like, there's always this thing.
Like, we always have to be worried about who Taylor Swift is dating, right?
Yeah, that is weird.
Well, I think it's because they end up in her songs and she writes music about them and

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then they try to figure out who's the song about.
Mm-hmm.
So that's kind of fun.
Okay.
As a girl, I love to know trashy things about other men.
I can't help it.
Oh, and that's what sure music is.
Well, I think she talks about, yeah, like this guy is super hot and he's whatever and then

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he did something shitty and then she writes about it and then you got to be like, okay,
well, which one was this?
Mm-hmm.
So it's fun.
Okay.
It's like a classy way of talking shit.
Okay.
All right.
Because if we divorce, I am fucking telling all.
You better hurry up.
You better hurry up and learn how to record a podcast.

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I'm getting one out first.
I, this guy's very so so, it's just he's a stupid bitch.
He's a live bitch.
Don't say anything.
She says.
I can record it.
I don't think I can get it on the internet.
I'm going to go on to him.
I mean, that's not me.
Got me again, mother fucker.
That's one of the reasons to say subscribe to our podcast.

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I mean, what if that happens someday?
That'd be weeks of content.
It was a turn into a one week of me to our shit about you.
Next week's going to be you talk shit about me.
I mean, that'll be pretty fun.
That would be fun.
I really don't have that much on you.
Yo, I think if I pissed you off and I've you could find something.

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What depending on what you did, he never wipes the counters properly.
Oh, he doesn't know.
Oh my god.
If everything would ever take, he could sit on his ass.
He doesn't have to fuck around on his computer all day.
That is a true.
That is a true ball.
That is a true thing.
You will not wipe the fucking counters.

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I don't give a fuck about those counters.
I'm letting it all out today.
I just got to counter with your fucking peanut buffers and your jerrys.
Don't you say that to everybody.
These are private moments.
And you make everything fucking greasy and sticky.
Oh, that's over.
That's an over representation.

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And then you don't wipe it up.
Okay.
All right, Taylor Swift.
She's disgraced.
So she's always denied that she's gay because I've never always claimed that she's gay.
In her album called 1989, which is the Taylor version, which I believe there was a falling

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out with her record label and she re-recorded all her shit.
Oh, I heard about that.
Yeah.
I guess.
And it sounded great.
It sounded the same.
I guess.
Which I think that's amazing.
That she addresses this in that album.
She says that people are just sensationalizing all of her female friendships.
Okay.
So I wanted to go through like the greatest hits of why people think she's gay to convince

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you that she is gay.
Okay.
Here's what I could find.
And then in an exciting conclusion, we'll break it down.
If you cannot vomit on yourself, that'd be great.
People.
I'm trying to have the belts on the mic.
How it's starting to get away with it, I cannot.
Now the people who believe the Taylor Swift is gay, they have a name for them.

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They're called the gaylers as in gayler swift, right?
They got it.
Clever.
Very clever.
And on Reddit, there is a subreddit for gayler swift.
And they've been talking about this stuff for years.
Now after Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift got engaged, they shut that Reddit down to make

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it a private Reddit.
Meaning you can't get in there unless the moderator approves your request.
Oh, okay.
But luckily for your boy, I've been already been a member.
So I was already in.
So I kind of went through it and I pulled out.
Does it say why they want her to be gay so bad?

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The overall impression I get, my interpretation from reading countless nonsense Reddit posts
is that what would it mean?
She's the ultimate ally.
Because it's a lot of gay people.
Well, then she's not an ally.
She's a fucking member of the crew.
She's not an ally if she's fucking gay.

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And denying that she's gay.
Yes.
I agree.
I don't understand it.
Now why?
They seem to think that there's going to be this big rapture type moment where she comes
out of the closet and says, I'm gay and everyone, everyone will brains will fucking melt.
They think it's happening.
It's like, you know who I do think was gay.
Whitney Houston.
Oh, really?

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Yeah, I do think that.
Why?
Because she had her woman that, and she was torn up about it because she was religious.
And she had this woman.
What was her name?
Robin.
Robin, I think.
She ended up being her manager or something like that.
She just was very close with her.
Robin was kind of masculine.
I don't know.
Really?
Yeah.

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But I think her religious beliefs really fucked her up.
She wasn't able to be that.
And that's the main reason why they think Taylor Swift is lying about being gay is because
of her, because she kind of started out or kind of is a country-ish kind of singer.
Okay.
And there's a lot of.
That was a long fucking time ago.

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Well, I mean, her fan base is her fan base, right?
Her fan base is gay.
Young that don't, none of them give one fuck.
Yeah.
I mean, I kind of think that too.
I'm just presenting to you what they say.
Literally.
Country.
Okay.
We can sit there.
I don't, they had, what's that guy's name?

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What's that gay guy's name?
Small town road.
Little Nas X.
Yeah, little Nas X.
What the fuck?
He's not a country though.
Yeah, that song was a country.
That's all this country though.
Yeah.
Well, who else is gay?
That's country.
Anybody else?
Who do you even blow first, dude?
He's not gay.
It's not?
No, I think he's married.
What about Shabuzie?
Is he gay?

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I don't know about that.
But we had to all sit there.
I feel like if we have to stomach, jelly roll, picking his nose and eating it, then you
guys can stomach somebody being gay and singing a country song.
You know what I mean?
It's the same level of disgust.

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So if I'm not, I don't want to say you're watching disgusting ass jelly roll, picking his
fucking nose and eating it.
But I guess we're all here, aren't we?
What the fuck?
Now, dorks.
Now here's the irony is that Taylor Swift is the blame for these allegations of her being
gay because she's the one that constantly talks about how she geniusly codes hidden messages

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and all the shit she does.
Okay.
And tells all of her fans they got to find the easy.
They're really dig deep, you know what I mean?
Now I found a New York Times, the road open opinion essay about this in January of 2024
and I pulled out the important bits of the supporting evidence for why she's closeted

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gay.
Okay.
In 2019, she had an album called "Love Her" and I guess for every album is a different era.
It's almost like she got split personalities like each album is a new version of her.
That's like how everybody does it.
Madonna did that.

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What?
Madonna.
She would change her look for every album and every album had a whole new feeling.
So this isn't Taylor Swift didn't fucking invent that.
Okay.
Well, the era for the "Love Her" album from 2019 had a bunch of rainbows, butterflies, pastel

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colors that evoked the bisexual pride flag.
All very gay things.
Okay.
Then in April, she released the lead single "Me" which was about self-love and acceptance.
Now the galaers were like, they were dig and deep.

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The same day she released that lead single "April 26" was also "Lessbian Visibility Day".
I can spot a lesbian a mile away.
What do you think about Taylor?
I don't get it.
Well, I don't know.
Lipstick ones are a little bit more challenging.
Now the music video for "Me" was her dancing at a pride parade with rainbow paint.

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And apparently it has her turning down a marriage proposal from a man.
And what does she do in exchange of that?
In lieu of the marriage to the man?
She picks up a cat, a pussy cat.
Huh?
I think she's just saying she's a cat lady.
In 2019?
No one called her a cat lady back then, did they?

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Yes.
Oh, they did?
I don't know.
I'm just saying it.
I'm just saying it.
I'm just saying it.
I'm just saying it.
People, I saw people saying that she's gay and I was like, oh, this is interesting.
Let's go down this rabbit hole.
I'm presenting everything to you.
A pussy cat go.
And I will give you my opinion at the end.
Okay.
Then in June of 2019, she released a video for the song "You Need to Calm Down" with lots

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of gay people.
It's a gay anthem.
It turns out.
Hey.
Hey.
I think it was like going against, wasn't that song like for like religious weirdos?
Like telling them like, hey, you're fucking being too much.
This is "You Need to Calm Down."
She said, and I quote, "Writes are being stripped from basically everyone who isn't a

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straight, white, cisgender male."
I didn't realize until recently that I could advocate for a community that I'm not a
part of.
So it's very much directed towards the gay community.
Everybody else.
That's a white umbrella.
Go ahead.
And some people like this.
They like that she was like an ally speaking up.

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Some people thought she was a culture of ultra trying to make money off of gay people.
Oh, God.
Which I don't know about by that because I'm like, I mean, it seems like people like, oh,
she's panning to the gay audience.
That's a small sliver.
You're going to piss off way more people than you're going to pull in.
Yeah.
You know, and post like not every gay person feels this need to be the center of attention

(28:05):
in this whole battle for rights thing.
Not every one of them is like, it's a very young person thing.
Yeah.
Because older lesbians, we know some older lesbians are like, dude, so the fuck up.
I quit it.
Be gay and be fucking gay.
So the fuck up.
Yeah.
Move on.
I think they almost kind of like the counter culture of it instead of being the "the"

(28:26):
culture, right?
Yeah.
Like they don't want to be, they don't want to be accepted necessarily.
I kind of, I think they want their rights taken away.
Right.
But also.
It's like, well, I was conspiracy theory.
He's like, I thought it was a cool culture.
And then every fucking right when you're come along and was like, yeah.
And I'm like, oh, God, here comes the dumb shit.

(28:48):
Here comes the dumb motherfuckers.
And sure enough, you know, stupiders is like, they've got snake venom in the water and
they're calling the COVID.
Yeah.
Okay.
Here we go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Things are cool until they go mainstream and then they're not anymore.
Yeah.
Then over the years, the, and we're still in the New York Times article, over the years,

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she's depicted herself in glass closets.
Okay.
Dun, dun, dun, dun.
The evidence for this was a video called Ready For It where she's in a large glass cube.
Which is clearly not a closet.
Okay.
In fact, that's the video that got me banned from YouTube.

(29:36):
My analysis of that video.
Oh.
So I talked about the witchcraft stuff that goes on in the video.
And update to that, you know, I had all this hatred for Taylor Swift for torching my channel.
Yeah.
Because her management company, Big Red Dog Media, whatever they were called with the
complaints that put the thing on my account to shut it down, turns out I'm on the same

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team as Taylor, because Taylor hated them too.
That's why she recorded all the albums.
Oh.
So I'm like, okay.
All right.
Maybe she's all right.
I didn't know that until I was doing all this research.
I was like, okay.
Okay.
Good.
And then in her era's, or her 1989 world tour, there's a big dance sequence with people

(30:22):
coming out of these doorways, like they're coming out of the closet.
Okay.
Then the era's tour showed her in a variety of different eras that included glass closet
doors.
You can see it.
Are they like literally walking out of closets?
They're just doorways.
Okay.

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Then it says in the article, sometimes she suggests a female muse.
And through unfulfilled rhyme schemes, as she does in the very first night, when she sings,
didn't read the note on the Polaroid picture.
They don't know how much I miss you.

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And they say that's a female muse.
Then this is the biggest one they got out of the whole article.
Because so far, I'm like, okay.
You got nothing.
Okay.
But then they said, there's a term in gay culture.
It would return called dropping the hairpin.

(31:27):
Oh, no.
It just means to come out, apparently.
And she refers to dropping hair pins twice on two different albums.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, like one's called the Great War.
I guess.
I don't know.
Anyhow, that's the big.

(31:48):
So they just are reading her what she's saying.
And like, because she's like, listen, I've got coded messages for you.
And they're like, oh, she's coming out.
Because of the closets, this, that.
And the other.
Most of her songs are about men that she's dating.
I don't know.

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But still this isn't getting me.
Okay.
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Okay.
Back to Taylor Swift.
So the New York Times article.

(36:56):
You know, just talking that shit.
Nothing too convincing yet for me.
I thought you were all in.
I was.
I was.
I watched some tick talks.
But they, you know, it's like a documentary.
They conveniently like place things.
Sometimes it's vague.
Sometimes it's not really clear.
Okay.
Sometimes you got to dig a little deep from be like, okay, what are you claiming?

(37:18):
Okay.
Like this New York Times article.
They're like, she's coming out of closets in her videos and on her concert.
Like, really?
Well, it's a fucking doorway.
Okay.
I mean, I don't know.
Is it a closet?
Not really.
It's a door.
So Jerry's out in my opinion on that one.
Okay.
The another claim is that.

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Back in the early 2010s, the tabloids were saying that.
Taylor Swift was hooking up with this girl named Diana Agron.
Agron.
She was some chick that was in Glee.
And then she said, "We're gonna have to do this."

(38:02):

(38:24):
We'll have to see.
I noticed love is blind got a budget for music this year.
Oh, they did.
Yeah, didn't you notice that?
No.
They're trying to keep up with Love Island.
Love is land.
Love is blind.
Love is land.
Yeah, cause Love Island has like proper music.
Love is blind versus like the bullshit house band stuff.
But they started out with Led Zeppelin right off the bat for this new season.

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I didn't even pay attention.
And then they played another song that I was like, "Damn, that's two songs that are real songs."
They must have been trying to compete now.
Now, anyway, so Taylor Swift put Diana's name in the liner notes of her 2012 album called Red.

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Okay.
Allegedly, Diana had a tattoo devoted to Taylor Swift, but then removed it at some point.
Okay.
And then this one's a little bit more interesting.
Alleged or yeah, another rumor was that there was a three way of Taylor Swift, Diana Agron,

(39:38):
and Tim Tebow, the football player.
Oh.
He's the guy who I think he's like a sweetheart of the Christian community,
because he's so outspokenly Christian.
Gross.
You don't like that.
No, I think you're supposed to annoy yourself with oil and pray in the closets.

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Shut the fuck up.
I think people don't get that about us.
Yeah.
Well, that's how we were in orthodoxy.
We were taught to behave as Christians.
For shows.
For shows.
But like in America, they're performative.
Everything.
It's got to be this whole show.
It's disgusting.
So, but anyway, everyone denies this.
Everyone denies all of that in the group.

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So, who knows?
And what a fucking boring three way that would have been.
Oh, my God.
Three fucking nerds.
Three religious nerds.
Oh, my God.
And then they would all cry after.
Maybe pray.
Oh, awful.

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I got a counter for last week.
They said I was ultra low T Isaacs.
I was getting over my cold.
Yeah, you were.
Man cold.
So I got to talk extra shit.
Now, then Riley told me one of my patrons, Riley told me that there was a theory that on an Instagram
story post made by Diana, you could see the in the photo was a hand.

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And that hand was Taylor Swift's.
Wait, say that all over again.
Diana Agar on the chick from Glee.
Okay.
Who's doing bus in three ways with Tim T-Bull and Taylor Swift.
She posted a story on her Instagram.
And apparently in the photo was a hand and that hand belonged to Taylor Swift secretly.

(41:35):
Oh, God.
Okay.
So that's the first allegation of a girlfriend is Diana Agar on then you got this chick name Carly
Claus.
You ever heard of her?
Nope.
In 2014 Taylor Swift went to a concert with her friend Carly and someone took photos of them

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and claimed that they were actually kissing in the photos.
I haven't seen these.
I've tried to find.
Taylor Swift was so famous.
It's like, you look for this shit and it's like, whoa.
What's her name?
Carly Claus.
K-A-R-L-I-E-K-L-O-S-S.
Look, a Carly Claus Taylor Swift concert kiss.

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There's rhymed all that, didn't I?
Oh, there is a photo.
Oh, did you find it?
Yeah, I found it.
Just that quick, huh?
That quick.
What did you find it on?
How'd you search it?
I just said, what you said, Carly Claus kissing Taylor Swift.
Oh, I did it on.
Did you go on TikTok or Google?
Google.
I didn't take that.
Huh?
Are they kissing?

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Yeah, it's not.
It's grainy.
I mean, it's two women kissing, for sure.
Oh, yeah, but I can't tell who the fuck that is.
Anyway.
Huh.
Okay.
Supposedly that's Taylor and Carly Claus.
And then in 2016, this is another good one that I'm like, okay, maybe.
In 2016, Taylor Swift moved to a house that's just a half a mile from Carly Claus.

(43:01):
That was them.
That's them.
Bitches is lesbians.
Okay.
Well, there we go.
That looks like some lesbians shit to me.
Oh, so we got a video of it.
Okay.
So in 2016.
But girls also get drunk and make out with each other.

(43:22):
That's a thing.
Yeah.
And I wouldn't necessarily say that they're lesbians.
Okay.
Go ahead.
What about buying a house that's half a mile from your best friend?
I dream of that.
I want to have a commune.

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Well, where we all have our own independent houses with a lazy river that goes in between
all of our houses that we all support, like take care of.
It wasn't a bunch of friends.
It was just the one the chick she's kissing at the concert.
Okay.
And then we have half a mile from her.
Okay.
Now, Carly Claus is an interesting person.

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She is married to a billionaire businessman that goes by the name of Joshua Kushner.
Oh.
Is that ring a bell?
Is it like the Trump Kushner?
That's right.
He is the younger brother to Jared Kushner.
Okay.
And she started dating him in 2012, engaged in 2018.

(44:30):
She conversed with Judaism for him because the Kushner is a big time Jews, right?
Yep.
And I heard Trump was converted to Judaism.
I've heard this too.
Back in, what was that 2017 or '18?
Mm-hmm.
And I looked it up and it was on, I think I had to go on Duck.go.

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And Google is did Trump convert to Judaism?
Which would make sense because Ivanka converted, didn't she convert to Judaism for Jared Kushner?
Yes.
And you know, Trump loves his daughter more than anyone else on this planet in the weirdest
fucking way possible.
So I went down.

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He loves his daughter.
I mean, he loves her.
So yeah, the Carly Klaus is related to the Trumps because Jared Kushner, obviously married
to Ivanka Trump.
But strangely enough, she is a huge Democrat supporter.

(45:35):
She supports Clinton and Biden and--
Wait, okay, so Klaus now is married to Kushner?
Yeah.
Okay.
Josh Kushner, Jared's billionaire brother.
Got it.
And she got to start as a model working for elite model management.
That's the one founded by John Casablanca.
The guy we talked about, I think last week or the week before.

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Because--
Because we can imagine there's this whole thing of Trump, Epstein, and John Casablanca's
they all had their modeling agencies.
They all recruit from Eastern Block Country women.
Yes.
And then they all hand pick a little fucking girl toy to mess around with.
Okay.
And maybe get married.
Like it's like the fucking thing they do.

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Well, that's how she got over here.
Just like Erica Kirk.
Interesting that they're all fucking plugged in together like this, isn't it?
Okay.
But yeah, she worked for elite model management under John Casablanca.
That's the guy who was 50 and married to 17-year-old.
Yes.
That was one of his contests.
Now Carly Klaus was in the bad blood video.

(46:40):
She'd been to a bunch of Taylor Swift concerts like their besties, right?
Okay.
Someone made it on the red.
It made a whole PDF about how her reputation album was all about Carly Klaus with the
supposed evidence being photos that they took on a vacation together.

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They claimed that she's got a Carly Klaus as a bedroom inside of Taylor Swift's apartment.
Which that is sus.
If it's true, I don't know if that's true though.
I just think I think that these gala people need a real conspiracy theorist in their midst
because they fucking suck at this.
Because I'm like, I don't, nothing, I mean, the kiss is the most damning thing.

(47:27):
I see the footage.
Yes.
I see the photo.
I see that happening with my own eyes.
It's weird that she bought a house half a mile from this girl.
If I was close to my friend, I would do that.
Yeah.
I think it would be fun to be close to your friends.
Nothing convinces me yet.
Okay.
Then, then of course, she's obviously, which Travis Kelsey, which puts a big blow to this

(47:54):
theory that she's gay.
And her new songs, talking about how big his hog is.
Uh-huh.
That guy's not a big hog.
Well, the theory is that Travis Kelsey's gay himself.
He's a beard.
What do they call that?
No, he would be Taylor's beard.
Whatever.
I don't know.
You know what I'm saying?

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No, I don't.
Because she would be his beard or he would be her beard.
They're using each other for as beards.
Okay.
And the theory, because there's always blind items, which again, like to me, that's hardly
proof of anything.
Wow.
Some asshole got access to the internet and made a claim.
Wow.

(48:35):
Yeah.
That holds virtually zero weight for me.
Especially now.
Nowadays, it's literally more lies on the internet than there is truth.
Yeah.
Now, if that thing, if that blind item later comes out to be true, then I would look back
and be like, oh, wow.
Okay.
That was real.
But like, I'm not going to chase down every blind item on the internet.
Like, that's insane.
Yeah.

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But there's blind items about him being by.
Okay.
But that might be true as well as her being by.
It looks like she might be.
So they're beading each other up.
Why is being by it make you, you wouldn't need a beard.
You like both sex.
Well, okay.
That's just what they say.

(49:19):
Well, can she be by?
Is that, or just do they need her to come out and say, I am bisexual.
You need her to come out and say it.
Okay.
Then she released this new album, Life of a Showgirl, which apparently she, it's all over
Tiktok, she lifted a bunch of beats.
Have you seen this?

(49:40):
No.
It's pretty crazy.
They play clips of each song.
Like one track called Actually Romantic that she has is the same exact beat from a Teenage
Derbag, Weedis.
And it also uses the same beat from the Pixies, Where is My Mind?

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Like verbatim.
I'm like, how is that possible?
Well, I mean, people do that and rap all the time when it should just have to like pay rights
to them.
Maybe.
So maybe she just paid rights and took their beat.
Yeah.
Then a song called Opalite uses Post Malone Circles.
A song called Wood sounds like I want you back by the Jackson Five.

(50:23):
The Showgirl song sounds just like the Jonas Brothers cool.
Anyway, yeah, that's about it.
So she has somebody in there that's like samples.
I guess.
Okay.
But I guess it's like if you're this creative, you don't need to do all that, do you?

(50:48):
That's like, no, come on now.
What?
I mean, there's a whole genre of music that samples all day every day.
That's what music that's been happening for 20 fucking years, 30 fucking years.
I mean, I guess 40 fucking years.
I guess, but I feel like for some reason rap gets a pass because that's what they've always

(51:11):
been doing.
That's outrageous.
That's an outrageous take.
Hot take.
I'll wait just like who invented the question mark.
First off, you have to stop and look at Tina.
Look at how sweet she's being.
Now one of the tracks is called the Fade of Ophelia.

(51:33):
It's a Shakespeare reference.
Okay.
And it's about Travis Kelsey saving her from her destructive love relationships in the past.
Okay.
We big old dick.
Another track called actually romantic is a diss track against Charlie XCX.
I don't know who that is.

(51:54):
She does more like dance music.
Okay.
And Charlie XX called her boring Barbie, which I thought was a pretty good fucking insult.
Yeah, that's pretty accurate for who she is.
That's funny.
She, one of the lyrics from Taylor Swift, you think I'm tacky, baby.
Stop talking dirty to me.
It sounded nasty, but it feels like you're flirting with me.

(52:16):
I mind my business.
God's my witness that I don't provoke it.
It's kind of making me wet because it's actually sweet all the time you've spent on me.
Oh, wow.
So there's this new sexual Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey is waking her up sexually.

(52:39):
Then a song called Wish List.
This one's interesting.
And again, I don't have the basis to know what her songs or lyrics are for the last 20 years.
But my, my ideas of who Taylor Swift is that her music is very strong female vibe.

(53:04):
Is it right?
Is that, am I wrong for saying that?
Honestly, I don't listen to enough from her music to give you a good, to have a good
opinion here.
I don't.
It seems like to me that she is a strong, independent woman who doesn't need to deal with this shit.
Yes.
That's the vibe I get.
So I don't need people to sit man with their bullshit lies because she makes their own

(53:25):
fucking money.
She's doing her own fucking thing.
And you guys hate me because I'm a rich bitch.
Fuck you.
I got some kind of ideas I have for her.
Okay.
And that's kind of what I get.
But literally, I don't know if that's true or not.
What to leave that up to your comments, sections to tell us if that's accurate.
Well, there's track wish list, which has dollar signs in the S and the S for wish list,

(53:46):
which I found curious.
Dollar signs?
Yeah.
Okay.
It's all about her real desires are now not making money, but starting a family.
Oh no.
Okay.
So I heard a lot of people saying that she's going down like the conservative pipeline.
Uh-huh.
We'll save this for the conclusion, the exciting conclusion.

(54:08):
I want to be surprised if she was conservative of that.
Of course she is.
Of course she is.
Why would she be marrying Travis Kelsey?
We already talked about the Kansas City Chiefs.
He's been sad, dick, dude.
What are we talking about?
What are you guys are all these are all.
She says, I just want you have a couple kids got the whole block looking like you.

(54:34):
We tell the world to leave us the fuck alone and they do.
Wow.
I mean, dreaming about a driveway with a basketball hoop, boss up, settled down, got a wish list.
I just want you.
They want those three dogs that they call their kids.
Oh, wait.
Sorry.
They talked about.
So what I was the first sorry, I didn't catch my pause there.

(55:01):
That's in a different verse.
Okay.
So the first part, um, she talks about how she just wants to have a bunch of.
Children.
Beautiful whites.
Beautiful, beautiful whites.
Because we ever tell a school has this like weird Nazi following.
Did you know that?
No.
The fucking Nazis lover.

(55:22):
What?
Yeah.
It's a whole thing.
Okay.
And now she's like, I was going to make it but the beautiful whites.
Don't do that to her.
Um, we're not going to do that yet.
She says she wants to drive with a basketball hoop, which is adorable to think she would have
a fucking basketball hoop in a driveway.

(55:43):
Bitch.
Get the fuck out of here.
You're not going to have your own basketball court.
Come on.
She's just like one of us.
Whatever.
Well, this is me off.
Is that later is when she says they want those three dogs that they call their kids.
Shooting on dog parents.
Why is that shooting on them?
She says she wants it.

(56:05):
She's like, I want real kids, not fucking dogs like these fake dogboms.
Oh, bitch.
Shut the fuck up.
That's not how you said that.
They want those three dogs that they call their kids.
Oh, they want those.
Yeah, she goes.
There's this whole section of the song where she's like going through like they, they
like this and they like, they just want money and big booties or I don't know whatever

(56:27):
the fuck she says.
I hear all this in the song.
Okay.
I'm like, man, what the fuck do you think you are?
Like to me, that's aligning herself to conservative stuff because that's like the attack on liberals
is like, oh, they don't like kids.
They have dogs.
That would be the death of her.
Takes out.
Oh my, well, unless she picked up the cons, it was she and she would pick up the conservative

(56:51):
people that she left back with the, with the country shit.
So maybe she's just like going back to and she's back with, and like with the chiefs and
all of that.
The best friend is is Patrick Mahomes is wife Brittany and they're both hard for millions.
Well, he hit see, Mahomes and Kelsey are both like the fucking worst.

(57:13):
They stay completely, quote unquote, neutral.
We're not.
And they let their wives say it all.
And then what is fucking bunch?
And um, you know, like a bunch of hot water during the Super Bowl because there was this
whole thing where you, you know, you have to have a political opinion about the president being
at the Super Bowl.
And fucking Jalen Hertz was like, no comment, which was clearly like fuck that motherfucker.

(57:39):
And then the chiefs Travis Kelsey was like, I'm so excited.
We got this great president here.
I don't know.
It's like a lot of how a lot of people viewed this, right?
Yeah.
Now speaking of Travis Kelsey, a track called Wood is about Travis Kelsey's dick.

(58:01):
Forgive me.
It sounds cocky.
He amitized me, which is, I guess she didn't want to swear.
She wants to say dick matize me.
I thought in the song it was dick matized.
The lyrics I have here did not show that.
Oh, okay.
I had the lyrics from genius.com.
I think on TikTok, I saw somebody talking about it and they said dick matize.

(58:23):
Oh, well, maybe I'm right.
So I don't know.
Well, she says, forgive me.
It sounds cocky.
He amitized me and opened my eyes.
Redwood tree.
It ain't hard to see.
His love was the key that opened my thighs.
Then later she says, the curse on me was broken by your magic wand.
It's just to be that you and me, we make our own luck.

(58:47):
New heights of manhood.
I ain't got a knock on wood.
The whole thing is fucking cringy as well.
Yeah, that is.
I don't know what it is.
It's like, you can't talk about your spouse like that.
It just makes it weird.
It's weird.
You're, you're, you're, you're significant.
The one that you've been with for a long time.
Yeah, it's weird.
You can't.

(59:08):
You just can't.
And I don't know what it is because Travis Kelsey is a good looking dude.
He's a good looking woman.
But for some reason, the thought of, see, these two have sex.
I'm like, ew.
I don't know why I feel that way, but I do.
Any other couple, I'm like, yeah, let's see this.
But with those two, I'm like, no, I don't think either one of them can fuck for some reason.
Okay.
I don't know why.

(59:28):
It sounds long limbs of hers because we're short.
They think like big long legs.
I'm like, uh, I mean, the kicker to all this is that I think Travis Kelsey seems like
a fun dude.
Oh, I actually do think he'd be a fun guy.
It's same with, uh, I think Taylor Swift seems like a fun girl too.
Yeah.

(59:49):
I don't why I hate them so hard, but I do.
Because I'm probably absolutely wrong on my read of who they are.
But I do think that they're both interested in making money first and foremost, but we're
to, I'll save that for the conclusion.
Okay, go.
Next track is called canceled.
It's about cancel culture and how Taylor Swift got canceled, I guess.

(01:00:12):
By who exactly?
That's why I was like, bitch, you're fucking making sure that now that's wild.
Uh, supposedly it's about her bestie Blake lively.
Oh, she that bitch did get canceled.
Yeah, she got canceled hard, but she got canceled by Taylor too.
Cause I heard in the rumor, Bill, that Taylor didn't want to beat because she, she was

(01:00:33):
the godparents of their kids.
Blake lively and yeah, okay.
What's that guy's name?
Ryan Reynolds.
Which those two couldn't have fallen fucking harder.
That's true.
They have fallen hard.
And I don't know.
All because that Justin Baldoni stuff, right?

(01:00:54):
Yeah, and they were wrong and everything that they did was fucking gross.
So yeah, they both seem pretty gross.
Pretty gross.
And it's almost like they can't hide it now.
It's like everybody was kind of like incognito mean.
And now everybody's looking at it and they're like, oh no, they're just like mean.
Like they're just mean people.
Yeah, mean spirited.

(01:01:14):
Yeah.
We could probably add a little cancel culture talk in the conclusion too.
Okay.
I could go there.
But in the track, she says, good thing I like my friends canceled.
I like them cloaked and Gucci and then scandal like my like my whiskey sour and poison
thorny flowers.
Welcome to my underworld.

(01:01:35):
It'll break your heart.
At least you know exactly who your friends are.
They're the ones with matching scars.
She's a full shit.
What did she get canceled ever?
You know, I don't know what she's talking about.
Is she talking about that thing when she got in trouble or when she got, well, she didn't
get canceled that Kanye shit.

(01:01:58):
Everybody felt bad for her.
Yeah, that's right.
So that was it.
I thought she got bad on her from Kanye West still in the, uh, that's not fair.
She had lots of fucking songs.
Jesus Christ.
Kanye West is a dickhead too.
That's another motherfucker.
I don't like anymore.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Uh, life of a showgirl, this is the final track.

(01:02:23):
She said it's about how terrible it is behind the scenes of being celebrity.
Okay.
She says, verse, she talks about a Faustian bargain.
Oh.
So she waited by the stage door as the club promoter arrived.
She said, I'd sell my soul to have a taste of a magnificent life.
That's all mine.
But that's not what showgirls get.

(01:02:44):
They leave us for dead.
So did she sell her soul?
Maybe.
I mean, there's one line that suggests maybe she did.
Then there's one about coming out of a closet.
She says, I waited by the stage door packed in with the autographed hounds, bargain her name,
and glowing like the end of a cigarette.

(01:03:04):
Wow.
She came out.
I said, you're living my dream.
Okay.
So that's what the people on Gala Reddett are saying is that like that's a reference to her
coming out of the closet.
Like, no, it says, I waited by the stage door.

(01:03:25):
And then she came out of the door.
Then a closet door.
It's a stage door.
Yeah.
I just, I just, so like in conclusion to wrap it all up, I don't buy the story of Taylor
Swift at all.
But I also think that the gala theories are the weakest shit I've ever seen.

(01:03:47):
Okay.
I don't, I don't.
The kissing of the Carly Clause, like that's weird.
There's not a weird shit with Taylor Swift for sure.
But like, is she closeted gay?
Yeah.
I've seen anything that tells me that that's the truth.
But I feel like in this conversation, we are literally missing a whole genre of people

(01:04:08):
that are bisexual.
It's like you're either straight or you're gay and there's no in between.
And it's like, okay, or you're bisexual.
Yeah.
And most people live on a spectrum.
I don't know.
She, yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
But if you're on, if you don't, you don't, yeah, but if I don't know that she would lose
anything by coming out by, there's not like some big crazy thing that would happen if

(01:04:35):
she was like, I'm bisexual.
Who cares?
Like, who cares in 2025, honestly?
I think a lot of, I think there's a lot of people that do.
You do.
Yeah.
I mean, look at Elon Musk.
He's, he's running a cancel Netflix campaign right now because there's gay characters in
the show and he's like, they're grooming your kids because there's like a kid's show on

(01:04:55):
there.
And I saw the clips, like the most damning clips that the people are said about.
The one was a guy who, and these are all like cartoons aimed towards children, right?
The one is a guy who's like, I'm trans and I figured out I'm trans blah, blah, blah.
Then another one is, they talk about they then pronouns.

(01:05:19):
Okay.
Then another one is two gay dudes get married.
Watching what stuff?
Like just people that are different than you.
That's wild.
Who gives a shit?
I think, I think some people are sensitive to that.
Oh my God.
Okay.
I'm not saying it's okay.

(01:05:39):
I'm just saying like, that's their complaint, you know?
I mean, if they were like, they think that they're grooming their kids.
Yeah.
I'd be like, okay, that's inappropriate.
But like watching people get married, who cares?
Well, you know what this is.
This is that, I sent you that TikTok of that guy who talks about that comic strip of the

(01:06:00):
old Marine dude going to the coffee shop.
Yeah.
And the coffee shop has the barista with the septum piercing and she's like, yeah.
He's like, can I get a black coffee and she's like, do you want a macaillato?
And he's like, no, I want a black coffee and she's like, what about a frappe?
He's like, no, I want a black coffee.
What about a frappuccino peppermint?
Whatever.
And like he was his video he's talking about how boomers on Facebook love this joke.

(01:06:27):
Like they're like, this is exactly what it's like nowadays.
Right.
And he makes a great point that I think that's your fundamental difference between conservatives
and progressives.
Conservatives see that and they're like, yeah, exactly what happened to the good old days
where you just had black coffee.
Right.
Now you got this fool, fool bullshit blah, blah, blah.

(01:06:49):
And progressives are like, that's fun.
Look, you got all these options.
I mean, if you want black coffee, you can still get black coffee, but look, you can get it
with fucking sugar swizzles and whatever, right?
Right.
And for some reason that piss is conservatives off.
They're like, this isn't the world I grew up and I hate this.
Right.
And progressives are like, no, there's all these choices now.

(01:07:13):
And the same thing goes for the genders and things.
I don't get it.
I was raised in a, you're either a man or a woman world.
So did you, right?
We grew up in the 80s.
Yeah.
I don't get it either.
I think like, who gives a fuck with your pronouns or I don't give a shit?
No.
Why do you want all this attention about who you are and where you want to put your fuck
of genitals?

(01:07:33):
Nobody gives a fuck literally.
No, I mean, they do though.
Like people literally give a shit.
Okay.
All right.
That's fair.
I guess it's like, when I say I don't care, it's means like, I don't love or hate you better

(01:08:03):
or worse than matter where you want to put your genitals.
It means nothing to me.
Where you want to put them or how you want to just like, are you talking about life?
Are you talking about genitals or are you talking about sexual, are you talking sexuality
or sexual identity?
Both.
Agreed.
Well, it's like, it doesn't really matter.
Exactly.
It doesn't make me look at you one way or another.

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Positive or negatively.
I don't, it doesn't bother me.
And in fact, we're watching a monster on Ed Geen.
Ed Geen's.
And I wonder if he was in a different time if he would have been so horrendous.
Right.
And that's another argument is that what I don't understand is you have all these horrific

(01:08:46):
monsters like Charles Manson and Ed Geen and these people that get shunned from society
because they're told that there's something wrong with them and full of shame because they're
gay or whatever.
I'm sorry.
Are you saying that Charlie Manson was gay?
I think he might have been by, to be honest.

(01:09:07):
Really?
Well, he got raped when he was a child.
My point with the Charles Manson wasn't his sexuality preferences.
My point was when you have people who feel excluded from society, like bad things happen.
Yes.
Literally every nerd with a fucking gun and a fortnight subscription.
Yes.
Agreed.
Most dangerous motherfuckers walk in the planet right now.
I totally agree with you.

(01:09:29):
So keep fucking telling these people, I mean, I, I pull you, I call them nerds, right?
Yeah.
That's the night.
That's light bullying.
That's light bullying.
Well, I guess there's a little shame in there.
But it's like, fuck them.
Fuck them.
But like, that's the thing with like, people that want to pretend that transgenders don't
exist and gay people don't exist.

(01:09:49):
It's like, you can't.
Or worse, they should feel ashamed about it.
They should feel ashamed about it.
Yeah.
Or that they're awful people because of that.
Yes.
Because I put myself in their shoes and I think if someone were to tell me like, hey,
men that are under five, nine aren't real men, I'm like, motherfucker, catch these hands.
I'll show you.

(01:10:09):
You know, like it pisses me off.
They're setting me up.
Get a little scrappy.
Yeah.
And so it's like, of course, like you can't, like all of culture and society is as fucking
spring under tension.
And if you keep compressing that motherfucker, that things are going to happen.
I agree.
That's, that's my, I just don't, that's what I think is like, you don't have to be the
things.

(01:10:30):
Just give, turn the other way.
You don't have to be a part of it.
You don't have to be part of the fuck.
Sorry, you have to talk to your child about how there's gay people in the world.
You know, that's, I'm sorry.
I fucking hate talking to my children about things.
I just want to shove the screen in their face.

(01:10:53):
It's bizarre to me.
But anyway, yes.
So yes, Elan is pushing a cancel culture of Netflix right now.
Can he just shut the fuck up and go away?
Like it?
I think so.
She's not learning his fucking lesson.
But it's away.
But to sum it all up, my end conclusion here, I don't believe in the story of Taylor Swift
at all.

(01:11:14):
I think she's got a lot of people on her team that help craft these albums and records and
lyrics and all this shit.
I'm not saying she's not talented, but I'm saying you also could be as talented if you
had an army of fucking producers and songwriters at your helm.
And I think she's I don't think I could because I'm not good like that, but I think you could.

(01:11:40):
No, but I know what you're saying if somebody had is artistic like that, they could.
And there's something odd about the rollout of all of this, right?
Because remember, she announces the new album on New Heights podcast, which supposedly
broke the record for most views, which is probably all bullshit, right?
And then she also name drops his podcast again in the show.

(01:12:03):
It's like, what kind of arrangement are these two in exactly?
It's what it feels like constantly cross promoting each other's bullshit.
Then at the same time, Kelsey is modeling.
Remember he had that American Eagle spread or GQ or whatever it was.
Oh, I didn't know that.
He's wearing a much of blue collar outfits.

(01:12:24):
A blue collar.
Okay.
And then the rich people love to cause play poor.
So fat.
So gross.
And the oddest part was Trump before before she got engaged to Kelsey, Trump said he hates
her and all caps.

(01:12:44):
Trump said she's no longer hot.
Right?
Remember all this?
Yes.
He's a great man.
He's tweeting or truth or whatever you call it.
How she's terrific and he's a great guy and he wishes them a lot of luck.
That happened.
That happened.
Ew.
What?
Oh my God.
It's so strange.
It's happening here.

(01:13:04):
Conservative.
I can't.
She is.
She's 100%.
Oh, one of the best friends in Brittany, my home.
You telling me they don't have discussions about this shit?
And then you would say, well, you know, who cares about any of this?
Well, lots of people do because it's all part of keeping our minds occupied with shit that

(01:13:27):
doesn't really matter.
Yeah.
That's why Elon Musk is out here.
Hey, Netflix is trying to turn your kids trans.
Hey, why don't you worry about getting that Epstein list out there, buddy?
Yeah.
That your fucking name turned out to be on.
Right.
Right.
His name.
His name is on it.
He was on the plane in 2014 and 2016 long after he was in a known pedophile.

(01:13:51):
So let's talk about that.
Elon, all the shit.
They constantly said that Trump is 100% on the Epstein list, which he is 100% on that
fucking list.
Yeah.
Come on, guys.
There's just it's just constant.
What happened to those girls just saying that they'll make their own list?
Yeah.
Exactly.
Where did they go?

(01:14:12):
Do that.
Please.
It's hard to believe anybody.
It's annoying because it reminds me of, oh my gosh, the quarries.
What's that quarries name?
Felgman.
Felgman, yeah.
They're like dancing around and being all the whole.
Tell you who the rapists are, who raped children for $100,000.

(01:14:32):
On the livestream.
Yeah.
Okay.
The chicks who were involved with Epstein were like, we're going to release the list.
They didn't do that.
The dude who claims he's got Mike Johnson, the speaker of the house's grinder picks.
He's like, I'll do it.
I'll release it.
Do it.
I don't know if it's a H.E.
Actually, it's on Grinder.
I believe it.

(01:14:52):
I think it's funny.
So just release it, dude.
Anyway, the point is, they're keeping us occupied with all this different shit.
All the bullshit.
Yeah.
On the shit.
That was really good.
I'm trying.
Hard to my throat.

(01:15:12):
Oh, no, he does that.
But my takeaway, I don't really know if she's gay or not.
I don't really care.
I haven't seen anything that makes it crystal clear that she is.
I think she'd buy.
I could see that.
I think everybody in Hollywood's buy.
But my point is, I think the takeaway lesson here is that we need to stop viewing celebrities

(01:15:35):
as these people who need to represent us.
We put them on this pedestal.
Put them to pussy on a pedestal.
And it implies that there's somewhat above or beyond us normal people.

(01:15:56):
And that's just not true.
They're just like us.
Except they have an entire machine of propaganda behind them using them for whatever
agenda they want.
And they're just fucking taking it all to the bank.
Like the reason Taylor Swift became a musician was to fucking get paid.
And to be honest, we were sitting there talking about in this lawn about how we don't, I

(01:16:19):
will, I don't think that billionaires should exist.
I don't think they're good for our country.
I don't think they're good for the world.
And they shouldn't exist.
And then it was like, well, Taylor Swift's a billionaire.
Is she doing nice things?
And I was like, yeah, but she gave like a bunch of money to like her this and that.
I was like, oh, now I'm going to have to like really sit in my belief system is like,

(01:16:42):
do does Taylor Swift deserve all of her money?
Did she earn all of that money?
Because that's the thing that's being said is that you only get that amount of money by
exploiting others.
And did Taylor Swift get her money not by exploiting other people?

(01:17:02):
And I don't know, I don't know.
Do these people deserve this money?
I think all billionaires, they do some kind of charitable works.
But it's not all of them.
Some of them do it to their own companies.
Like they'll make churches or whatever and then donate to their churches or their causes.

(01:17:23):
So it's like keeping money in their own bullshit.
I think the problem is we see charity stuff and we in our poor brains.
Like for instance, I pulled it up as I wanted Taylor Swift to do for charity.
In 2024, she donated $5 million to feeding America to help with relief from the hurricanes.

(01:17:45):
And you're like, yeah, that's $5 million.
Like to us, it's like, that's a fucking ton of money and $5 million.
She's worth $1.6 billion.
To be honest, I can't even wrap my brain around a billion.
Like what a billion looks like.
Because we're talking about like when we talk about like the deficit and we talk about

(01:18:08):
how much money is getting spent, is real and how much is getting sent to art.
What's the other one?
Where are we sending money?
Not Argentina.
You cray?
No.
We just sent money to Argentina.
Was it Argentina?
Yeah, to the fucking dickhead with the chainsaw, who was like their austerity fascist leader.

(01:18:30):
Yeah.
Okay.
And they were like, oh, he's going to fucking really tight the bell and they fucked the whole
country and then we're bailing them out because he's a fascist.
And then China ended up not buying any of our farmers, soybeans.
And they went to Argentina and bought their, I thought they went to Argentina and bought
their soybeans.

(01:18:50):
Well, okay, let me look at this way.
I told Chad, I said, if I had $1.6 billion in the stock market, how much would I be earning
from the interest every day?
Interest only.
Just interest.

(01:19:11):
Just you got 1.6 billion.
How much do you get interest?
What's the percentage of interest?
Seven percent is your typical stock return.
Okay.
A strong stock market will be 10%.
So if you had 1.6 billion, you're clearing at 7%, you're clearing $300,000 a day.

(01:19:31):
You can't afford $5 million?
That's what?
Two weeks?
Two weeks of interest?
Yeah, that's fucked up.
I'm with you.
I don't think billionaires should exist.
I don't give a fuck.
I don't think they should exist.
It's too crazy.
And it makes you too powerful.
Yeah.
Everyone has to bend the need of you now because that's the way.
That's the only way they're going to get said.
They don't not get involved in politics.

(01:19:54):
They don't, you know what I mean?
They don't stay in their lanes.
They start doing cockies.
Exactly.
You guys are buying the media to put their fucking bull shit out there.
They just shouldn't exist.
None of them should exist.
Tell us what it shouldn't be.
Once you hit a billion dollars, something, I don't know.
The trigger is a fucking red flag.
And now, I don't know.
I guess that's like social shit.

(01:20:15):
But I just think like, I don't know, maybe I'm just a fucking hater.
I'm not a hater.
If they did nice things, I wouldn't care.
Zero hate in me about this.
I don't see people that are doing well and not wish them to do well.
The problem is, is when they do well, they are scary.

(01:20:36):
And then they lose their minds a little bit and they do scary things and try to take things
away from other people.
So that's my problem.
And I know a piece of cynical to just shit on all of them.
No, I'm going to.
And I don't know what it is.
It's like they all end up like fucking.
I don't want to say all of them, I guess, who knows.

(01:21:00):
But it seems like they are going out there and they don't just have normal relationships.
They have to have what is that called?
A toilet party in.
Yeah.
In Saudi Arabia?
No, in Saudi Arabia.
We're in Dubai.
Dubai.
What does that call that?
A portaparty.
Portaparty.

(01:21:20):
Portaparty.
Portaparty.
Portaparty.
Like they can't just be fucking normal.
They have to be atrocious.
Yeah, they got to get into some weird shit.
It's the kids.
It's the injuring other people.
It's this weird fucked up mindset.
And I just think that that comes with money.
Point me one person that hasn't done that.

(01:21:43):
They're all scary and have these weird scandals around them.
Well, and then also in the news, there's comedians.
Those comedians that went to Riyadh to Saudi Arabia, then people are giving them shit.
And I'll like Bill Burr.
That was really sad.
I think that's pretty upsetting.
I think so too.
Bill Burr literally was shitting on Beyoncé for doing this, for performing for a Saudi

(01:22:04):
prince.
And Bill Burr is on that fucking plane ride.
Yeah.
Going to cash in over there in Saudi Arabia.
And then where she had to come back and he's like, oh, they're just like normal people.
They're great.
Oh, God.
And I was like, I'm sure they are.
I'm no doubt.
But the guy that I saw took that made a good point.
He's like, I'm sure the people are great.
It's like every other country.
It's like America.

(01:22:25):
The American people are great.
It's the fucking leaders that you got to watch out for.
They're the ones fucking throwing journalists off the roof and gay people off the roofs.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Of course, Bill.
People were really nice to you.
And then you come back here and it's like he was a propaganda for you to come back and be
like, you know what?

(01:22:46):
There.
It's a really nice culture there.
Just don't be a fucking gay person or a woman or anyone who questions the fucking government.
That was a fucking let down.
And that goes to my point, right?
With like, we love stand-up comedy in this house.
Yeah.
And we liked a lot of those people on that ticket.

(01:23:06):
They went to Saudi Arabia to cash in Dave Chappelle.
Fucking Dave Chappelle.
You should be.
Bill Burr.
I love these guys.
I mean, Louis CK.
Louis CK.
And these are all good points.
It's somehow we have to find a way to separate the art from the artist.
Somehow we have to do that.
We have to say we have to fucking hold our noses on every fucking person that we love.

(01:23:30):
Because they're just trying to make money.
Yeah.
And then they're just trying to stand up comics like that's the goal.
The goal sure, like making you laugh and have a good time.
Like that's part of it.
But they all want to get people that sat on Joe Rogan's podcast and cried about censorship.
Right.
And literally they're signing up to go be censored and told what they can say.

(01:23:52):
They literally have to be at the place.
Yes, exactly.
They'll pay with that.
No problems with that.
Yes.
Fuck off.
Fuck all the way off.
I know.
That's what's hard.
Man, it's fine until you start trying to shape policy.
Then I have a problem.
Yes, exactly.
And that's what they all fucking do.
That's like Louis CK.
It's like he got in trouble for messing around with them girls or whatever, for playing

(01:24:17):
with himself in front of those two females.
They were women.
To women.
Yes.
And he got like canceled and I'm like, that's a tough one, man.
Like I wish he wouldn't have done that.
But I also like I separate the art from the artist and I'm like, I appreciate a great
fucking stand up.
Yeah, and his, I felt like his apology was top tier.
It was.

(01:24:37):
Yeah, he owned up to it really quick.
The way that he handled it was actually very, I was like, I didn't have a problem with it.
I was like, yeah, we all make mistakes.
No.
But anyway, I, this one I'm kind of like gross.
Yeah.
But I feel like you got to, don't you think that's the right way forward?
Is it separate the art from the artist?

(01:24:58):
I mean, we're going to be stuck with nobody, no art, no stand up, no movies, no nothing.
If we keep doing this shit of, hey, you got to cancel the whole fucking Netflix subscription.
Like bitch, the Edgine show was on.
I'm not canceling fucking Netflix.
What are you talking about?
No, they got haunting.
We got the haunting show.

(01:25:19):
The haunting show coming out.
We're right in the middle.
We just started.
Love is blind.
I don't care if they're trying to comfort your kids to be gay.
This is a hot lineup.
It's a hot lineup.
Edgine, some monsters out right now.
That's how it's going to make your kid gay.
That guy's wearing, he's looking sexy wearing panties and shit.

(01:25:40):
He loves it.
So that's all I got.
All right.
It's Taylor Swift gay.
I have no fucking clue.
They sir, weak arguments all around, I think.
We conspiracies.
I was open for more.
I mean, the only one was the one was her making out with that chick.
And girls do that constantly.

(01:26:00):
So who knows?
No.
I in fact hadn't argument with a woman that I worked with when I was a server that she said
she made out with girls all the time at the bar.
But it was like to make the boys horny.
Oh.
That's fucked up.
If a dude is making out with a dude though, he's gay.

(01:26:22):
Yeah, I don't know if that would make the other girls horny.
I don't know if I'd see a guy kissing another guy and I'd be like whatever.
But we were talking about this at the salon.
Would you not date a bisexual man?
Because that was a thing for a long time.
It's that there was no such thing as bisexual men and women.

(01:26:44):
It would be a turn off because it would be a, well, they actually want to fuck guys.
So therefore you now look dumb because they want, they actually want to be with men.
And so it's weird to have this idea that there are, that women can be bisexual, but men
can't be bisexual.

(01:27:05):
But now that's kind of going out the window.
And now we're at the salon where I was like, could you found out that he was bisexual?
Would you like not date him anymore?
And it was almost 100% they would still date him.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm not gonna be a progress.
So that we, they're seeing men that are bisexual as that as being bisexual.

(01:27:27):
Which I think that that's lovely.
We need to not, why don't we need to put people in these harsh lines of saying, well, they
did this.
So they are this sexuality is so weird.
It is weird.
So anyway, okay.

(01:27:47):
So uh, in conclusion, Jerry's out.
I don't tell her to gay.
I certainly have seen proof of you have proof sentence to Josie.
If you see, if you see any theories out there that are better than those, because that's
just what I got off of a mixture of the subreddit for Gayler Swift, the New York Times big
to do article, which he when I read through it, I was like, this is, is this all you guys

(01:28:12):
got?
The most damning, I guess her kissing a girl, which does anybody care about that?
No.
Nobody cares.
So Jerry's out, but I do think something is weird going on here.
I think she is being pulled into the conservative tractor beam through Travis Kelsey and the Kansas

(01:28:33):
City Chiefs, because we did a whole show.
I wonder if the Kansas City Chiefs in their conservative funding.
I wonder if that's why she's, um, I wonder if the New York Times article is why she made
the song Wood or what, what was the name Wood?

(01:28:56):
Oh, you know, that's the one about Travis's dick.
Yeah.
Cancel is about cancel call sure wish list is about her desires to start a family.
And I don't think that's wrong.
Progressives can want to have families like that doesn't.
She need to shit on the people with dogs for kids.

(01:29:18):
I mean, yeah.
I take offense to that.
I actually don't give one fuck what people think.
No, that was my point of the conclusion.
It's like, you know what?
Who cares?
Like none of this matters to any of us in our daily lives.
And giving it this much attention is probably not healthy.

(01:29:38):
All right.
Good one.
All right.
Okay.
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(01:29:59):
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