Ghost Hunting Stories with the Weishaupts: Utah, Gettysburg, Asylum 49 and More!

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From Utah to Gettysburg to Area 51 and Area 52,

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we've done a lot of ghost hunting in our time.
And you asked me for a collection of all the stories of ghost hunting.
Well, today we're about to give you the tour of ghost hunting here in Utah with the Wise Ops.
It's the ghost of Christmas past since we didn't make it for Halloween.
Yeah, so close, right?

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Sorry, I got sick.
There's always a...
The delays on the...
I feel like we should get four vacation weeks a year.
Yeah, I think that's about right? That's what we take.
Otherwise it's mostly... We do it once a week.
Yeah, either you'll be sick or I'll be sick.

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Yeah, just bucks us, man.
Or families in town or we're gonna trip.
We haven't been on a trip in like...
Or a fighting.
That happened yesterday.
Tell 'em why we were fighting because you're a fuck face.
So, there you go.
There you go.
Happy wife, happy life.
Oh, I'm just a dickhead.

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Okay, but what did you say?
I am kind of a dickhead.
Yeah, there you go.
I do power under.
I'm the king of power under.
You love it.
Love it.
And the problem with that is, is that you're really good at it.
And I'm a loud fucking bitch.
And so, it's so easy to turn the fingers onto me.
When it's Ron, it's you.

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I mean, now that I've seen your little tricks, I'm like, "Oh my God."
Since we're getting spooky, I've got a conspiracy theory about you.
Oh, I love it. Let's go.
It just came to me just now.
You saw me type in?
Yeah, I saw it.
That's about you.
Go. Let's hit me with it.
Alright, so a lot of people over the years have asked for...
Because we'll mention ghost hunting stories here and there.

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And I feel like we've said them all, but...
I've had a lot of people be like, "Dude, you should do a whole show about ghost hunting."
And I think it's boring to be honest.
I'm like, "I don't know."
But then I thought about it.
It's because I don't like spooky stories.
Oh.
And they're boring to me.
I love a spooky story.
I don't.
I love them.

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Hate them.
You're a hater.
I've just got photos or video evidence.
I don't care.
I mean, that does make it fucking top tier.
But I love to hear people like spookies.
Yeah, but do you believe them?
My problem is I'm always like, "I don't believe them."
I don't believe them, but I don't give a shit.
It's still fun.
Okay.
Well, today we're in a fun...
So they cannot believe us.
This is, I don't give a shit.

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Yeah.
And to be fully transparent, all of this is true.
Yeah, I mean, why would I make...
Why would we make it a true story?
True story.
Yeah.
Not based on it.
It is a true story.
I got no reason to hide it.
Okay, let's go.
I've got my list here.
Can you been involved with most all of these?
But except for the beginning.

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Oh.
Um, let's go back.
I was raised a Christian warrior in my mom's church, right?
Yes.
In the church of the Nazarene.
Yes.
I don't remember hearing anything about...
I also didn't pay attention for what it's worth.
If you don't say.
That's so surprising.

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Tell me what to do.
I tuned out everything they said.
But...
Because you're a bad boy.
Uh-huh.
In fact, my favorite memory of church was when I was cheating at a competition we had.
There was four of us on the team and I was like, bro, let's cheat.
If one of us knows the answer, like scratch your ear.

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If the other one knows the answer, like cough or whatever.
Like, we had this code that we came up with.
That's not really a fucking cheat.
Oh, it's a cheat.
We cheated and we won.
We won the contest.
It was like Bible trivia or something.
Okay.
And we annihilated those fools.
How is signaling a cheat?
It would...

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You would signal...
Unless you were like looking at that.
It was a multiple choice.
It was like multiple choice and it was like, okay, if one of you knows the answer is A, I don't
remember.
I'm going back 30...
Almost 40 years at this point.
There was a code where we would make a noise or do something to signal like, okay, if one
of us knows the answer, like that's the answer, you know.
Okay.
So you would let your...

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I would look over it.
So a single person had to answer the question.
Yes.
And the other person would know it and they would scratch their ear.
Yes.
Yes.
Got you.
Something like that.
Okay.
Anyway.
You're a cheater in the eyes of the Lord.
I know.
At the house of God.
Terrible.
Terrible.

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But I got baptized in the orthodoxy so all is forgiven.
Yes, it's in account.
I guess it doesn't count.
There was a...
I don't remember any stories about like, don't...
What was the big ones?
What did they tell you when you were growing up?
Like, don't jerk off.
I don't remember.
Do they say any of that?
I don't remember.
For sure you can't dance.

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That's a fucking...
I don't know if any of you know this but Isaac grew up in the footloose of churches where
he wasn't allowed to fucking dance.
Could you listen to music?
That wasn't the question.
The problem is we did all of it.
It was the problem.
You weren't supposed to go to the movie theaters because they also played porno.
You weren't supposed to listen to crazy music or watch crazy movies and like, we did all

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that shit because my dad didn't go to church and he was like, dude, we're doing all this.
And I was like, yes.
Bad boy for life.
And...
That's up, old stop.
It was kind of a weird mix.
Okay.
I didn't like animals but I didn't pay attention and I didn't like it.
I didn't like going to church.
I hate it.
I hate it.
It was painful.
Church is painful as a child.
Ultra painful.

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And so I don't remember if they ever said...
But this was also in the 80s.
I mean, I don't think people talked about ghost hunting.
I don't think it was a thing.
I don't think it was a thing in the 80s.
The only thing I can think of in the 80s was what's their name's the Warren's.
Yeah, but who knew about that, right?

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I mean, there was no internet.
I mean...
You'd have to go to the library and read books.
Yeah.
So...
Ew.
So I didn't know...
I was always interested in paranormal though.
I was always interested in aliens and dark stuff.
And you couldn't even search a computer.

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I want people to understand this.
When you went to the library, what was it called the Dewey Decimal System or something
like that?
Yeah, that was the catalog.
Yeah, it goes through a fucking catalog.
Piece of paper.
That's how you would find the books that you wanted.
That's insane.
You have to look down the aisles of the books for the cover.
I've never been trying to teach you how to look at that shit.

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And then I found like the witchcraft section and I was like, "Oh, okay, I'll just kind of
peruse here."
Oh, really?
Yeah, because it was like...
I didn't really go to church as a kid.
Like, my mom would make us go to church.
You know, it'd be more than church.
I'm like, "I'm sorry."
I know people love that, but like...
She...
We were...
You guys weren't Mormon.
We weren't Mormon, but she liked the family values thing.

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That's how they get you.
And so she would make us go on the first Sunday before school started.
And it was a fucking nightmare and I don't know why she made us do it.
Why?
I don't know.
You're an Oscar?
No, I should ask her.
But we would go to church on Easter.
But that would be the great church.
We'd go to the great church on Easter.
So I don't know.

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She was just doing her best, you know?
Yeah.
But we weren't church people.
Okay.
But we also weren't...
Like, he didn't say anything like that.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
All right.
My dad, he was like kind of a churchy guy.
Like, he didn't like...
So he didn't swear.
My dad doesn't swear at all.
To this day, he kind of...
Really?
He does, he swear.

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He gets upset when people swear around them, you know?
I know.
And I told him, I was like, that's obnoxious.
Shut up.
So annoying.
Stop telling other people what to do.
And he's like, "Why?
I just don't like it when people take the Lord's name and name in front of me."
And I'm like, "So say a fucking prayer for them."
That's what you're supposed to do as a Christian.
People do not have to live up to your fucking morals.

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They're yours.
That is your moral to live up to.
By all means, say a sweet little prayer and hope that Christ's love enters their heart
and that they would stop doing that.
That is what we are supposed to do.
It's obnoxious.
You're a bad girl too.
I am a fucking bad girl.
Say notty words.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Father and spiritual father wouldn't approve.

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Who's spiritual father?
That's what the Mormons call God.
Spiritual father.
Is that what they call them?
The Heavenly Father.
Oh, Heavenly Father.
Heavenly Father.
Anywho.
So we weren't really like churchy goers.
Okay.
But I think my mom was fine with us getting.
We got a weegee board.
I know.
Stop throwing the Reese's PC at me.
I got it.

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I see it.
I just want to make sure you see that I brought that for you.
Thank you.
I love you.
They bought you a weegee board though.
Well, I didn't have a job so they must have bought it for me.
I'm sure I asked for it.
And my dad, who was like kind of a churchy guy, he kind of played with tarot cards.
Really?
Very loosely.
Yeah.

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Okay.
My dad never went to church.
Like he was a churchy guy, but he never really went to church.
Yeah.
My dad read the Bible all the time.
Yeah.
He was very, I guess you'd say he was religious in that sense.
It wasn't like he was anti Christ.
No.
He didn't like the church.
That's how my father was.
He didn't like the church.

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Right.
That's kind of how my dad was.
Interesting.
I don't know if he'd read the Bible.
I think he read the Bible.
He read the Bible.
I think so.
He was in the basement doing his shit.
So he was doing stuff.
But then he also had tarot cards.
Interesting.
So I don't know.
I think people are just human beings trying our best.
You know what I mean?
Okay.
So.
So you are raised more in the occult than I.

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I mean, that's very.
That's very extreme to say.
I mean, I think at the most, you remember those cool stores that they used to have in the
90s and the malls?
Like they would have meditation CDs and crystals and like a didgeridoo or whatever the fuck

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you do.
A didgeridoo.
What is that called?
Yeah.
I think it's what it's called.
Okay.
Like the thing that sounds like rain when you flip it in the fucking, the stupid sticks
that the hippies would fling the other stick with the devil sticks.
Are those called devil sticks?
Yeah, they call devil sticks.
I don't know.
Just like hippie shit.
What are those stories called?

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Do you remember?
Yeah, I'm trying to look it up here.
They'd always have like, is it like, like, Anya, like Anya, like, isk type music playing.
It's like natural wonders.
Yes, that is it.
Or the nature company.
Either one.
Very.
We had those in them all and we would go and like, they were always fun to go look at.

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Like go look at the crystals and see all the shit and they always had tarot cards in
there and stuff like that.
So it would just be that was our level.
Okay.
Not really a thing.
Okay.
Well, I, and you could argue that I was open to occult things based on my music interests

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and films, right?
Horror movies and heavy metal and gangster rap.
You could argue you were could be interested in these things from your Ouija board and tarot
decks at your house.
And Hornie, my horny shows.
And horny shows.
Well, that's today you weren't reading horny.
Oh, I was, oh, I was reading horny stuff when I was a kid.

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Like what?
That's the only thing I did.
Like what?
I would, my dad had fucking porn books and stuff like, oh, that's a fine, stupid book.
The letters to the forum or would it go letters to the platform or literally had books that
were like naughty books.
My girlfriend's dad had some too.
So we would get together and we'd babysit and we would read each other's fucking passages

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out of these horny books.
Oh, really?
Okay.
And they were like, that was for real porn oh shit stuff.
Like they were porn books.
That's fun.
That was very fun.
And then we would, I mean, if I was watching a movie, it was definitely a, there was some
sex in it.
It's only a reason I watched stuff.
To this day.
To this day.

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It's in my, it's in my bones.
I can't help it.
Maybe chatterly or whatever.
Oh my God.
If, listen ladies, if you want to get fucked up by a movie, watch that movie.
It's on Netflix.
You will fucking die.
It is the hottest shit I've ever seen in my life.
So hot.
I got sick.
And so when I get sick, I go to my comforts.

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Got me worms.
I did, I've never, I've never finished the 50 shades of gray and I never finished the movies.
So I binged 50 shades of gray all three movies.
And then I also watched, and this one's a little embarrassing, but it was also delightful.
10 out of 10.

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I think it's called the Brotherhood of the Black Dagger or the brother, or the Black Dagger
Brotherhood.
I can't remember.
But I read the books.
I read most of that series.
So that was like a huge series.
And it turns out, Passion Flicks, which is an app where they have like romance.
Think of like hallmark level of cheesy, but ad fucking.

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It's really great.
It's kind of cheesy.
It's all, of course, still though.
Acting isn't great, but the sex scenes are 10 out of 10.
And so Passion Flicks.
And I think that as they get money, I feel like their production is going to go up.
Passion Flicks did the Brotherhood Black Dagger first book, which was called Wrath.

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They did the whole series.
Phenomenal.
It was phenomenal.
Do it.
Go on there, get the fucking thing, watch the show, and they cancel it because I don't really
know if there's anything else on there.
That's worth a shit.
But the Brotherhood is.
You got to get a promo code.
You got to get your affiliate link on it.

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I was sick, blown my nose, and being disgusting, watching a horny show after horny show after
horny show.
Like the exorcist in there in bed.
It's my comfort zone.
You know how you are just scary stuff all the time?

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And I'm like, listen, I try not to judge.
I get it now, so it's your comfort zone because of reading Smuddy literature as a child.
Hmm, maybe.
I don't know.
I just think it's in me.
Okay.
You should unpack that.
I don't want to.
I love it.
I don't care.
It's my favorite thing about me.

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That and my toes.
I have really great toes.
Everything else I feel like a turd and a punch bowl.
But my toes and my hornyness are fun.
Yeah, great feet.
I do.
So the, so when I was first introduced to the occult of ghost hunting, it was 1999.

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I got stationed in Utah here.
And I worked in ammo and storage and handling.
And what that entails is you've got a controller that will usually like an NCL like a staff sergeant
who will give you your orders for the day.

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Like, okay, you got to go move these bombs, whatever, whatever.
And our guy, I can't use real names.
We'll call him tech sergeant dick pick.
Why?
Was he, was he sent in chicks dick picks in 1999?
He was.
Yeah.
Is the first time I ever heard of such a thing.

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I was, I talked to my buddies.
It's like, what is he doing?
Why did he do that?
I don't know.
He's an old curve.
Who is he, who is he sending him to?
How did you guys find out?
I don't, I don't remember bullshit.
I, I totally don't remember.
He was the funniest dude.
Oh my God.
He was kind of like, unassuming though.

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Who is it?
Like, oh, you remember him?
It's the, it's, look at me.
Is that guy's name?
I don't remember his name.
I can't think of his name either.
It's good.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, you did meet him.
Yes, because he came over to the house once.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
Okay, I know.
I, I forgot, I don't even know how you met him.
Yeah, I met him.

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Okay.
So.
Yeah.
People didn't really send dick picks in 1999.
No, no, not everyone even had a digital camera.
You were still working with printed photos.
You would have to take a picture of your dick.
Oh, the fucking Walmart or the CVS and get it printed and then hand it to them.

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That's next level.
That's crazy.
That's crazy level.
So what was he doing?
He was taking digital pictures of his dick.
I don't want to, I don't want to get in trouble in the off chance.
And then he did what?
Then he like, I don't know the details to people.
I don't know.
I don't know the details.

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I didn't get it.
How did you find out?
I don't remember.
I just remember he did it.
Oh my god, you're the worst.
I know.
Terrible, huh?
So he was married at the time and I was just saying it.
So I was like, I'm like a whole this shit at all.
Wait a minute.
Was he sending them to his wife?
I don't think so.
Yikes.
You know what?
It's me and you.
Unless it's a rumor.

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Maybe it's just a rumor.
I don't remember.
It could be a rumor.
Me and you totally missed out on that whole phenomenon.
I've never had a dick pick sent to me.
Yeah.
I never don't send.
I've never had a dick pick sent.
I've never sent naughty pictures.

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I don't say I've never seen it.
You sent me Polaroid naughty photos once.
Yeah, when you were in Korea.
Polaroids.
Polaroids is how you got around the system.
Yes.
I wouldn't like take picks and send you pictures of my vage or what.
I don't know.
I guess.

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I don't know what they do.
They do pussy shots.
I have no idea.
I've been married for far too long.
All know what men are doing.
You guys always either stand in front of a filthy fucking mirror in your disgusting bathrooms
and fucking take a shot with no.
Hey, wait a minute.
No care.
You'll never attract.
You've never received a dick pick because you did.

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No, I didn't.
That one guy sent you the one.
Oh.
Remember?
I do remember.
Okay.
That one.
You're talking about dirty mirrors and I was like, you did get a dick pick once.
I got a dick pick because I was talking to my friend from high school who I went to junior
high in high school with this guy and he was inappropriate back then too.

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But he had lost a bunch of weight and I was like, what are you doing?
What are you doing to lose all this weight?
And so then me and him were talking about how he lost all this weight.
He was so, he was like, I bought these supplements.
Then he took a picture of himself in his underwear in front of his filthy, by the way, filthy

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fucking mirror and his disgusting bathroom and his dick was hard in his, but it was pushed
to the side.
So it was like hard but like a horizontal to his body, not vertical or not perpendicular
face on.
It was to the side, like to his hip laying on his hip hard to put some thought into that.

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Yeah.
So I have had one dick pick, but it was kind of trying to be incognito.
Not very incognito, yes.
Which I then immediately showed you because I'm like, I don't want you to think I was asking
people for dick.
Anywho.

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Where was I going with all the, yeah, Sergeant, Sergeant dick pick.
Sergeant dick pick.
One day we were like, so like the way to work the controller would be like, okay, go do your
shit.
You go on the bomb, that you do your shit and you come back and usually it's like fucking
hotter.
It's cold and you're like, you want to sit in the little office as long as you possibly
can before you got your next delivery or whatever you call it.

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And I was sitting there and he was listening to a little cassette recorder.
He called those little handheld tiny cassette recorder things.
He was listening to it.
Back in the day, you'd have to buy these recorders that were probably like this.
Microcassettes.
Yeah, they were the size of like less than a Hershey bar.
And you would have to buy little tiny cassette tapes that you put in them to record on.

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Yeah.
What was cool is there was a transformer.
I think his name was Sound Wave that came with little microcassettes that transformed
into a tarot acto and shit.
And he held his distance with the tape.
So I'm like, what are you doing?
And he tells me what he's doing.
He's like, well, I went ghost hunting and I'm listening to hear what I caught.
And he explained it to me.

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Everybody knows what it means nowadays.
But back then it was very mind blowing to me.
I said, what the fuck are you talking about?
And he played me a clip of a cowbell sound.
And he's like, yeah, he's like, I was out in the middle of this like field, not a field,
out in the middle of nowhere.
And you can hear on the audio capture the cowbell, but there's no cowbell that you could hear.

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And I was like, get out of here.
So he played it and I said, well, that's weird.
And I didn't know if I believed him.
So I said, man, I went in on this.
He said, all right.
And he was at the time he was affiliated with a group that was called the Utah Ghost
Hunter Society.
I believe is what it's called.

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And I don't, I looked him up.
I don't know if they, I think they changed names back then.
I feel like this is, had you had we been watching ghost adventures at this point?
No, they weren't even out yet.
This is before ghost adventures.
Before ghost adventures.
I want to say that that other show, the English ghost hunting show that we've never watched
might have been out at the time.
Maybe.

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Okay.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
No.
There's like a English fucking guy before ghost adventures.
Okay.
Anyway, regardless, we had never seen that.
What's the Penn State ghost?
Yeah, the guy from Penn State, Paranormal State.
Paranormal State.
Yeah, is it Paranormal State?
Yeah, it was called Paranormal State.
I like that one.

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Didn't that guy, isn't he on, didn't he die?
I think he died.
Ugh.
Sad, huh?
He was very cute.
He was like, he seemed like a nice kid.
And then, my other favorite show, what's the other one that I like with the cop?
And that one.
I never can remember the name of that show.

(23:25):
I think it's, I don't know what either.
Fuck.
Dead files.
Dead files.
That's what it is.
Well, I'm trying to find the name of this ghost hunting show.
They're saying that the show called Ghost Hunters first aired in 2004.
And that's probably about right because it was 1999 that this guy was showing me this

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shit.
And he said, yeah, I don't know if he learned it from the ghost hunters.
He was a society, but he was, anyway, he's messing around with these guys.
Then a website and it was a black background with bright green font.
And it was, you know, super 90s.
And they, and you could listen to a bunch of the clips and see the photos.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, yeah.
And how is like, what is this?

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This is crazy, right?
Uh-huh.
This back when like websites weren't really even a thing yet.
Yeah.
It's a private load.
And our first, the first time I went with him in the ghost and our society, we went to a place
called a city called Roy.
Roy you tall had a Roy high school.

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And they say, they said that the auditorium was haunted by this ghost.
So there's a bunch of people in the auditorium lights were out.
And there's people just, I don't know, doing whatever the fuck it is they were doing ghost
hunting.
And I had taken a, my, I had a handheld VHS camcorder and I took it.

(24:54):
I remember this.
Yeah, I recorded it in there.
I didn't capture nothing.
I should rewatch it and see if I, maybe I just didn't see it.
But when I was in there, someone else had a camera that had night vision and it was a
fancy one.
So it had the fold out screen where you could watch what you were recording.
Yes.
And they said, I was like talking to people or whatever and someone said, maybe Sergeant Dick

(25:18):
Bigg was like, Hey, go watch that little screen.
If you watch it, you'll see orbs, which he had to explain to me what orbs were.
And I watched it.
I mean, it was within maybe 30 seconds.
I saw an orb float across the damn screen.
Yeah.
And I looked at nod.
I don't think you went with me on this one.
I took, I think Dr. Anne eater was with me.

(25:38):
Yeah.
A couple of other guys.
And obviously I looked up from the screen and I don't see an orb in front of me.
So I said, what the hell is this?
Right?
Yeah.
I looked up the recently to prep for the show.
I looked up Roy High School and it is in fact haunted.
Hell.
They say there's a spirit named Mabel that is doing stuff in the auditorium.

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So that was a real thing, apparently.
And they say that there's a floating head and a ghost kid who was hit by a train because
you tell us like lots of trains around here.
And anyway, so apparently it really was haunted.
So that was my first.
Now people like to throw themselves in front of the trains.

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That's big.
It's not accidental anymore.
Everybody's just had enough.
Easy way out now.
So then we, you know, and then I think I pulled you into it a little bit because I was like,
you got to check this out.
This is weird.
Uh-huh.
Did I have my Ouija board at that time?
No.
You got rid of that before I met you.

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Oh, okay.
So then I bought another one.
No.
I don't think so.
I never touch the Ouija board.
I mean, you have never done a Ouija board together.
I've never done one.
Okay.
Me, my girlfriend used to go on the train tracks and do Ouija board or we'd go into
graveyard and do Ouija board or just in my kitchen.
Like, honestly, the best places that we ever could get stuff was just a kitchen with my

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mom.
So, and that's when things were weird.
So then I kind of was like, I think we're done doing this.
So.
Yeah.
I was, I do recall being afraid of Ouija boards as a kid, but not ghost hunting.
No.
Weird.
Somewhere I heard Ouija boards bad.
Dungeons and Dragons.

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I remember hearing Dungeons and Dragons.
It was bad.
Oh, that's such an 80s.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So, and I'm sure that came from my church.
I don't remember, though.
100% came from your dorky church.
And I was friends with a guy who used to be heavy into Dungeons and Dragons, too.
Is that just role playing?
Like, don't you just like fight each other with like, yeah.

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The boy, it's like a board game with dice and you got scenarios.
It's like role playing game, like a video game, but on the board.
But they're talking about channeling demons and stuff.
So I think that's where the.
Yeah, but it's also like mythical, right?
Like it's magical and it has kind of like a, why don't you watch Stranger Things?
Do you see what happened to them?

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Yeah, no.
So we started messing around with this stuff.
We're going to random places.
You know, like, I don't know.
I remember we went to like this church that was closed down and were snooping around.
I never caught anything crazy, right?
You and I went to a graveyard all once up in Brigham, I think, was where that was.

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You remember this?
Yes.
And we saw lightning bugs.
Do you remember that?
Yeah.
And we don't have them in Utah.
That doesn't exist in Utah, but we saw them.
They exist in PA.
We have them all the time in PA.
Oh, you did?
How come I never seen one?
I'm there.
I don't know.
I remember all the time seeing them though in the summer.
Like in the fields.

(28:57):
No, in my backyard.
Oh, just everywhere.
I've never seen lightning bugs in your fucking--
We should look it up and next time we go back there and make sure we time it with the lightning
bugs.
The only time I've ever seen a lightning bug is in West
Concent.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I was in Kenosha, West Concent.
It was the first time I seen a lightning bug.
Well, I'll look it up.

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I'll see.
Exactly.
You know, it says lightning bugs in PA made through August, peak season June through
July.
They're back there June and July.
Yeah.
I used to see them all the time.
Interesting.
So, that was a weird paranormal experience.
I don't know how to explain that.

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Nope.
Do you have any ideas?
No.
And it wasn't just like--
Are we doing chronological?
Yeah.
Okay.
Mostly from my memory.
Okay.
What would you-- because it wasn't like the green-- because you know, a lightning bug is
like a green light, right?
Mm-hmm.
You do it.
We saw them.
Not really green.

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It was kind of yellowy.
Isn't lightning bugs kind of like a yellowy light?
I think it's maybe, yeah, a little more yellow, a little more green than yellow though.
Mm-hmm.
But now, like a bright green light.
No, but I remember seeing a bunch of it, right?
It wasn't like, hey, do you see that light?
It wasn't like that.
It was like, I didn't see it.
I didn't see it.
Oh, you didn't see it.
No.
In Brigham?
Yeah.

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Is that what you're talking about?
No, I didn't see them.
Oh, I remember seeing them.
You saw them and you were trying to show me and I couldn't see them.
Oh, weird.
Okay.
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Then we had a big one.
A big moment was we were doing an EVP.
It was me, Dr. Anne Eater and Sergeant Dick Pick, and we were doing an EVP in your basement

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of your house.
Because things happen in my house.
Like noises, boxes, bangs, things.
Yeah, that's right.
I remember you'd always have loud bangs.
It would be out of fucking nowhere like the loudest bang on the planet.
We'd be bored in the tarot cards.
Maybe.
I mean, that really could be.

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Yeah.
So we always just...
And reading all that, reading all the horny books.
Remember when we talked about ungrounded sexual energy causing poltergeists?
So we went in the basement and we recorded and we're reviewing.
That's where most of the sounds came from.
It sounded like boxes getting pushed in the basement.
And it would be huge bangs.
And then you would go to investigate and stuff.

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And you went to work and was like telling people.
Yeah.
I remember...
I forgot the bangs were the reason we went in there.
Yes.
Any...
So...
In that timeframe, did you have the whisper in your ear?
I've got that for the next story, yes.
Did that?
But I thought that was the catalyst of you having your friend come over.

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I don't remember which happened first.
Okay.
But I've got that and I've got the skateboarding.
And then I got the smothered next.
So it's a secret.
I can't tell you.
Oh, okay.
I can't wait.
So we're reviewing the audio and we capture a voice.
And so I just dig big when he does it.

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He's like, what's your name?
Why are you here?
Bala-lah.
And it said clearly, clearly, plain as day, it said the name James.
Uh-huh.
I remember you and your mom were in the backyard.
I think messing with the trampoline or something.
Uh-huh.
Probably working.
Probably working.
And I yelled out, I go, hey.

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You're in there doing dumb shit.
I'm out side fucking working.
Remember the time you got so mad speaking to the internet.
Oh, I wanted to murder you.
I already fucking know what you're going to say.
Oh, you're all in trouble.
I talked about the time when you came into being.
You're like, guess who's my celebrity?
Is that the craziest story?
You fuck.
Oh, I was so mad.
I'm over there.

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Listen, if you're dating me, you're working.
My family works.
We're workers.
And Isaac's not used to that.
And I think we were cleaning the basement out or doing something.
And he was in my basement on the computer looking up who his celebrity match would be.
On the dial-up internet.

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And I'm working my fucking ass off.
And he had the balls to come over to me and say, hey, I think I even asked him to come
and ask you to help me.
I said, hey, would you help me for a minute?
And you were like, yeah, sure.
Let me just finish this up.
And I was like, OK, that's fine.
And then you come over to me and you were like, guess who my celebrity match would be?

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And I was like, already seeing red.
Already fucking aggravated.
Because I was like, are you shitting me right now?
It's like, who?
I can't wait to hear this one, you know?
And you said, Malvin Ro or Pam Anderson, I don't remember.
I don't remember who it was.
I want to say it was a listen, Milano, but I could be wrong.
No.

(34:21):
I feel like it was Pam Anderson or Marilyn.
I can't remember.
And you were very excited about this.
And I wanted to fucking claw your eyes out.
I was like, are you shitting me?
I am over here fucking working.
And you're over there looking up your celebrity fucking match.
Just having a little break from reality for a minute.

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Just to take a little quiz, a little boomer quiz, a little boomer bait.
Is that funny?
Back in the 90s stuff like that was like novelty.
Yeah.
Like, really?
I can make a quiz.
How fun is this?
It's like some boomer shit now.
Crazy.
And in hindsight, I get that.
That's probably not a good look.

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So, um, yeah.
So we all, hey, do you guys know anyone named James?
Yeah.
And you said, that's my grandpa.
That's your grandfather who lived in the house with you before he passed.
No, he didn't live in the house.
We didn't live in that house.
No, he lived, we lived in a dog way.
We were in a dog way.
And my grandfather died in, um, Tawila.

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Which is like next to the first town outside of the dog way.
Oh, okay.
And so, uh, no, he, he never, I don't really know my grandpa a whole lot.
Like, I just, I have weird memories of him.
I don't, he's Greek.
He's like from Greece, Greek.
And he had a very thick accent.

(35:48):
And he used to walk around in the, we had kittens all the time because we were white trash.
I don't know what it is with white trash.
And having cats and kittens constantly.
But that was us.
So, uh, the fucking cats would always crawl.
He always wore big, he had thin little legs and like he was a big, thick man.

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And he had, the kittens would always crawl into his legs of his boxers and he would yell
to my mom, Pete, Pete, get this goddamn cat.
And he'd walk in his shuffle and his pants would fall off as, well, they'd be in the, um,
commissary.
And he would walk and as he would walk and shuffle his pants and fall off his legs.

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He's like, God damn it.
Pete, he starts screaming at her.
She had to go help him pull his pants up.
He's a funny guy.
How old was he when he passed?
Ah, that I don't know.
Oh, okay.
Well, I was a baby.
I was very small.
I don't remember.
Okay.
So, I only remember certain things of him.
I remember he used to, he lived in our house and he would pay me a dollar to drop Alka

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Selser in his water.
That's what I was.
And it was my favorite thing.
I fucking loved it.
And he was always very, he was so loving and so sweet and very fun and very playful with
all of the kids.
He was lovely.
So, he was a nice man.
But you're...
Kid Gout.
He also had Gout in his feet.
The King's disease.
Kid Gout in his feet.

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But when it's slowing down, it's not like he would clean up his fucking act.
But your grandmother lived in that house.
My grandmother lived with us my whole life.
She's Polish.
Okay.
So, she's a lot.
Okay.
She, one time, she got so mad at me because I was back talking to being a bitch.
She chased me down the hall with a fucking two by four in that bitch.

(37:36):
That woman.
I set the door locked and I was like, yeah.
And she put a hole in my fucking door.
Really?
Yeah.
Can you believe that?
What's that about?
Is that like Russian anger?
Yeah.
Because Russian is right about Poland, isn't it?
Yeah.
My grandmother's parents were from Poland.
I couldn't speak English Polish.

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And my grandmother could speak English and she was fine.
She had red hair.
And when she would get sick, she lived in our living room on the couch.
Did you ever meet her?
No.
She died before I met you.
Okay.
She lived in my living room and she was a hoarder.
So she'd take up a bedroom, put all her fucking bullshit in there.
But she went to sleep in there.

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And so, the reason I love masches because my grandma lived in the living room and we'd have
to watch what grandma wanted to watch.
She just owned the fucking remote.
And so, we would all have to watch murder.
She wrote and masch and I call that nonsense.
So when I dominate the TV, you should feel all cozy.
I actually don't mind it.
Oh, okay.
Anyway, so she was also a shithead.

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But she was also lovely.
She would wake up when I would get ready for school and she would make me French toast before
school and stuff like that.
She was also mean as fuck.
So when she got, she had to have the zima because she smoked the whole time.
So she smoked up the whole house, which is why I have asthma and I get sick all the fucking

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time.
So she smoked up the whole house and then she would put her oxygen tank on because she
had emphysema and then she'd light up.
She's a lunatic.
With the oxygen tank on?
Yes.
And I was like, Grandma, fuck, you got to shut off the oxygen tank.
Luna tick.
So then she'd sit there.

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She had bright orange red hair, bright orange lipstick.
And we'd have to call the 911 all the time because she couldn't catch her breath because
of her emphysema.
And she was like, call 911.
And then she'd go into the bathroom and start getting dressed for the, so then they would
show up and they'd have to sit on the couch and wait for her to come out.

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Is that crazy?
That's crazy.
I mean, that's the poll is known for their eccentricities.
You guys take offense to the pollock jokes.
How many pollocks does it take to whatever?
She's actually sharp.
She's the woman as sharp as a tack.
She was mean as fuck.
Oh, okay.
No, I don't, I don't take offense to it.

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I think it's funny.
Okay.
What were we talking about?
Grandma.
Grandpa's name is James.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So the EVP said his name was James.
You say that's my grandfather's name.
There was something else that said I can't remember what else it was said.
I don't know.

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All of these memories are getting so fuzzy.
Yeah, that's getting fuzzy.
So either that night or a different night when we did another EVP down there, I don't remember
me, Sergeant Dick Pigg and I guess it was, I guess it was Dr. Ann Eater.
Private Ann Eater.
Private Ann Eater.
We were reviewing the, yeah, it was.

(40:45):
We were listening.
We were like, and listen, he would hold the, he had the cassette recorder.
So we would all like put our ears around it and like listen as close as we could.
And you guys had a telecom system that went from the kitchen to the basement.
Yes.
And we were sitting there and we were like listening, listening, listening, listening.

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And all of a sudden I know where the telecom went off and it was, I think it was your mom
and she's like, do you guys want pizza?
We all jumped like, oh, fuck.
We jumped like much of bitches.
Good times.
And at some point in this mix, you and I were in your, I guess it was your bedroom at the

(41:29):
time, that little room.
And we were in bed just sitting there, I don't know, doing what?
You basically lived with me.
My mom was wildly inappropriate.
She would laugh.
You just like lived with us.
She loved you and you just came in stayed with us forever.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
You didn't like move your shit in, but you had most of your stuff in there.
Yeah, I pretty much spent most of my time.

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You got a dorm because you were in the military.
You saw your military dorm, but you like never stayed in your dorm.
You ghosting.
You basically stayed at my house.
So we were in your bed and I don't, I'm trying to think back because it's like you weren't,
you don't have a cell phone.
So it wasn't like we were sitting there looking at our phones.
We weren't reading books.
I mean, what did we do?
Like a couple of fucking obnoxious people just sitting there staring in the wall.

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We sat up and stuff.
We had a TV in there.
We'd watch TV and bed and stuff.
We were doing something.
No TV or there's no sound is my point.
I think you fell asleep and I left because you got up way earlier.
No, you were in the bed with me and I was wide awake and I heard in my ears of male's

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voice whisper what I heard was it's a dude, which is the dumbest shit ever.
But that's what it said.
That's how you guys know I'm not lying.
It said it's a dude.
And I fucking made the hair and back when I said, oh shit.
And I said, you hear that and you were like, no.
And I told you and that's the whole story.

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Yeah, I remember going out and telling my mom.
I think a lot of this stuff has to do more with my mom.
Like energy.
Yes.
Like she's got a lot of energy.
She has something that exudes.
There's something with that lady.
She's crazy.
So after it's a dude, what else happened?
There was a time that you'd go skateboarding.

(43:20):
Yeah, go ahead.
Do you want to do that one or guess I'm not sure.
Do you have anything else?
Yeah, I got a bunch more.
Oh, Jesus.
Okay.
I never remember.
Dude, what are you going to say?
No, go ahead, please.
Go on.
Then another thing that happened, me and a bunch of Dr. Annator and the color of the dude,
we went skateboarding maybe 10 minutes away from at a school.

(43:43):
Maybe 10 minutes from where your house was.
You were home alone.
I think I just had my wisdom teeth out and I wasn't at work.
Oh, okay.
Well, you can tell the stories.
This happened to you actually.
You want to tell the story?
That's what I was doing until you interacted me.
Oh, sorry.
You're shit.
Go ahead.
So I'm at home alone.
I feel like I had my wisdom teeth out.

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Isaac used to go.
Remember when I had my over, I had over, I have over in cis and endometriosis.
And one time I yelled at you because you were outside skateboarding when I had my
endometriosis.
So maybe it was the endometriosis thing.
Was it?
Or the wisdom teeth?
Were you wisdom?
I was with you both of those.
Yeah.
That doesn't matter.

(44:25):
I think.
Amy, you wanted to go out and skateboard and I was like, I don't care.
So you went out, you met up with your buddies and you went literally five minutes down the road
to the church and you were skateboarding at the church.
And I was at the house by myself.
Now when I'm at the house by myself, I used to do, I used to lay.

(44:45):
We had a big 32 inch TV.
That was like big back in the day.
And it was a big tube one.
So it had like a big part in the back of the TV.
And it was on a big like wood TV stand.
A console?
A console.
And so I would lay underneath the TV and I would trace my toes around the console of the

(45:14):
console.
Five great workouts.
The TV.
So I just lay there and watch TV and I would just keep tracing like autistic style.
But this time when I was doing it, I didn't have a shirt on.
So that's also fun fact.
So I'm in the house without a shirt on.
I don't even think I had a bra on.

(45:35):
Just in shorts, laying in the living room because my mom's at work, my sister's at work,
nobody's at the house with me.
Isaac is skateboarding.
They're not coming back here.
You're not bringing, I'm sure I was like, don't bring your friends back.
I don't feel good.
And so I'm like laying on the ground with no shirt on and the intercom goes off.

(45:56):
The intercom was in the kitchen between the stove and the refrigerator and the other intercom
was down in the basement.
And I remember we were cleaning the basement out and so we unplugged the intercom downstairs.
But sometimes I'd get plugged back in and people would, you know, it wasn't like that crazy
for it to go off.
So I am laying there and I hear the intercom go off in the kitchen and it says, "Josey,"

(46:24):
in the intercom, it says, "Josey, come downstairs."
And I think it was a guys voice.
If I remember calling this from so long ago, it was a guys voice.
And I was like, "Hello."
And now I'm nervous because I don't have a shirt on.
And I'm in whatever.
And I live in a split entry.

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So a split entry is basically, if you don't know, it's like when you walk into a landing
and you have six stairs that go down to your basement or you got six stairs that go up
to the top floor.
And I'm upstairs.
No shirt on.
And now I'm nervous because I hear a man's voice in the house on the intercom telling me

(47:06):
to come downstairs.
And I was like, "Oh, fuck."
And I'm afraid to go back into my bedroom to grab a shirt to put on because I'm like,
if I go back into my bedroom, there's no way out.
Like I can't get out.
I'm going to have to fight my way through a person if they hear me go into that bedroom.
So it scared me.

(47:26):
So I was like, "What do I fucking do?"
And I'm sitting there and I grab a broomstick and a fucking knife, like of the biggest knife
we had.
And I'm like, "Okay, he's in the basement."
And I was standing on the couch, was across the baluster.
So I was like, "I'm going to fucking hit him with the broom and start stabbing from above."

(47:50):
Okay?
And I'm like crying because now I'm like, "Who's there?
Who's there screaming about this?"
Then I call my mom at work and I'm like, "Tag my mom, call me."
Because this is back before like cell phones.
And how did I even get ahold of you?
Did you have a cell phone?
I had one of those very expensive ones where you paid by the minute or whatever.
So it must have called you.

(48:10):
You did call my cell phone.
Because I thought you were like trying to be tricky.
Because at first I was like, "What a dick."
And I looked outside to see if I could see your car to see if you went through the back door
to come in to scare me.
And I was like, "Hey, I don't have a fucking shirt on."
So I looked outside and I don't see your car.
But then I was like, "He probably parked it around the corner."
And that's when I was like, "Where are you?"

(48:31):
I think that's when I called you.
And I was like, "Where are you?"
And you were like, "We're still skateboarding."
And I was like, "There's somebody in the house and I hang up on you and I call my mom."
Because now I'm fucking freaking.
And I get, I hold my mom, my mom calls me.
I'm like, "There's somebody in the house and I'm trying to figure out like, how do I get
a fucking shirt on?
Where am I going to fight this person?"

(48:54):
And like trying to come up with all of this crying because I'm fucking scared out of my
wits.
You're coming home.
So now I'm like, you're like, "I'm on my way."
So then I'm like, "Okay, I can, if I'm going to fight them, I'll fight them in the hall.
Isaac's going to come in and we'll score all this person."
And I get one over on us.

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So I went into the bedroom and put a shirt on because I knew you and your friends were going
to be coming over soon.
As long as I trained in a fucking get stuck on the tracks because I felt like you were
at the other one over the railroad tracks.
The church over by the elementary school.
So I was like, "Okay, they got to be coming.
If they don't get stopped by the train, I'll be good."

(49:38):
So then I go to the bedroom, put a shirt on, grab my knife and my fucking broom and I'm
bawling and then you showed up.
And that was it.
But it clear as they, you went into the basement to go find the other intercom.
It was unplugged.
It wasn't attached.
So it just said my name and told me to go into the basement.

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And I was like, "Fuck in, scary dude."
And that was after we were doing the EVP stuff.
That was after we were messing around.
I know that part of the timeline.
That was for sure after we were messing with stuff because that's when it first hit me
that I was like, "Maybe we shouldn't mess with this stuff."
Yeah.
And I think that some other things that started happening, and that's why I didn't play

(50:21):
with the Ouija board stuff anymore where I was like, "That's scary and I don't want to
do that anymore."
Yeah.
There was another time.
We didn't, I don't think we fully stopped ghost hunting at that point.
I remember another weird thing that happened and I, cranked me from wrong, but when we got

(50:44):
married in 2003 and we were living in your house, why don't we prep in the house for
the visitors coming in from out of time for the wedding and we painted it.
And then we woke up and there was green scratch marks all over the walls.

(51:04):
Wasn't that...
No, we were going to paint it.
And we kept, and we were prepping the walls and there was, that's when, I don't know if
we were going to paint it for everybody coming in, but I remember we were going to paint
the house and so we were washing walls and stuff like that.
When my brothers would come into town, it was a fucking, all hands on deck.

(51:29):
Like we would have to wash walls and clean windows and clean windows seals and get the house
looking nice when company was coming.
So it would be like three days of fucking cleaning of like, "Damn shit away."
And like going to town on stuff.
And so it could have been that and not painting, but I don't, I think the wedding was happening

(51:50):
and I, but I don't remember painting the house for the wedding.
Oh, I, but I'm a little scrambled in there.
It is scrambled.
But you remember when we were like cleaning up, I kept finding soda cans, empty soda cans
all over the basement.
Yeah, no, I remember that now.
And I was like, "What the fuck?
Why are there empty soda cans all over the place?"

(52:10):
And tucked in weird fucking spots.
So I thought maybe it was my niece and nephew who were drinking soda and putting them
in the, in the walls, like in weird wall places.
Because it is an unfinished basement.
So they would just stick them, I thought like maybe on the two by fours, but they would kind
of do it like behind some shit, you know what I mean?
I'm in a weird place to do it.
I didn't just hang out in the unfinished basement.

(52:30):
Magas, we were hanging out down there.
Kinda.
That's where the computer was.
Yeah.
Where I could find my celebrity love and leave you for Pamela Anderson.
What a bad mistake that would have been.
She looks terrible now.
You look much better than her.
She's stunning.
She's stunning.
She's so much older than me.

(52:51):
So give me some time and see if I fucking hold up.
My God.
So that happened.
And then when we were getting ready to paint, we found green.
The only way I could describe it would be, what was it?
Crayon.
It looked like green crayon.
And it was three in lines of three, always in lines of three.

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And it just looked like scratch marks.
Yeah.
Some had gray, green crayon fingertips and would scratch in random spots.
And when I'm saying random, I'm talking about we had to paint the top corner of the wall
that is going down the stairs in a split entry.
So the only way that I could get up there, we had to clean cobwebs and shit up there.

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The only way I could get up there was to stand on the ledge and kind of reach a cross.
Oh, I remember when you did it.
That was crazy.
And like kind of just clean and wipe the walls up over there.
And they were up in that far corner.
Nobody fucking did that.
Nobody got up there to scratch.
There was, I think three sets up there in those top corners.

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Nobody fucking did that.
And it was everywhere throughout the house.
Yeah.
I remember there was one above the fridge in a weird spot.
Yeah, it was the weirdest thing.
Then what else?
I was not that many more because that was like those couple things were enough to be like,
oh, wow, maybe we should put the brakes on all this.
Let's talk about mom, my mom.

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Let's talk about your mom.
My mom is a witch.
She does like illuminate confirm mom.
I don't know what it is.
She's not like that.
She's not like she never did anything with nothing.
She's just intuitive.
Like one time, okay, so my mom, but this is who my mom is.
My mom, I call my little niece.
We took her to the fair.
She want a fucking fish.

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And my mom is a Greek mom.
She cleans everything, okay?
She cleans everything with fucking bleach.
So she would take the fish out of the fish tank and she'd bleach the fish tank.
And she was given the fish burns.
Like we'd come over there.
It's like, what's wrong with the goldfish?
She's like, I don't know.
And then she's like, I'm just cleaning.
I've gone in there and cleaned it with bleach.
And I was like, what the fuck mom?

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I don't clean the fish tank with fucking bleach, you maniac.
And so she's the same person.
So I got to just quit bleaching the fucking fish tank.
And we have the fish in my mom's room.
And I come in there and she's like, don't, we gotta do something with this fish.
I was like, why?
What's wrong with it?
She says, you, it's lonely in that back room.

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It wants to be out with the family.
And I was like, what the fuck mom?
No.
And I was like, what's it matter?
Where are we going to stick it?
We didn't have any tables.
Like she doesn't really have a whole lot of end tables and stuff like that in her house.
So it's like places to play stuff.
So we'd have to go on the table, like the kitchen table.
And I was like, well, where are we going to put it?

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And she's like, I don't know.
It's just got to come out there.
It's too lonely in that bedroom.
Every time I walk in there, it waves at me.
And I was like, what?
You have lost your fucking mind.
And so then she's come back here.
I'll show you.
And then I follow her into the back room and I go in there and that fucking fish wave to
my mom.

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I'm not shitting you.
I was dying.
I was like, I go, boom, that fish wave to you.
And she's like, I told you.
I was like, we got to get this fish out of here.
It's lonely.
So then we get the fish out of there and get it into a big.
We went and bought a bunch of shit for the fish and got it this whole like set up.
And it got huge.
And fun fact, goldfish are filthy.

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And they shit constantly.
And they are really big pain in the ass, but the fish loved being out with the family.
It wanted to be in the living room where everybody was.
And that fucker gets huge.
And this is just a shitty fair gold fish.
Yes.
That last day, this fish, I'm not shitting you.
What did it get?

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Ten inches?
Yeah, it was big.
It was huge.
And I was like, what are you feeding this fish?
That's why it's shitting everywhere.
Like stop feeding it so much.
It just kept growing and growing and I don't know how long they had that.
It had it for a long time.
And then she had what happened to the fish was she was like, he's lonely.
Let's get I wanted to get him a friend.

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And we didn't really know much about fish or at all.
We don't know anything about fish.
So she just went to Walmart and got some fish to put in the fish tank.
So it had like fish friends because it was she thought it was lonely.
And we show up.
And I was like, oh, that fish is pretty.
That is like what?
So that, I don't know, Goldie's sick.

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And I was like, why do you think he's sick?
I just can tell he there's something wrong with that fish.
And I was like, oh my god, here we go.
Because she's a little bit of a hyperconject.
She if I have a sniffle, I need to go to the emergency room right now.
And I'm like, I'm not going to the doctor.
They're not going to give me anything.
I don't have a fucking fever.
And she's like, you need to colonoscopy, right?

(57:54):
Spin it.
And I like, dude, leave me alone.
I'm not going to the fucking doctor.
So anyways, the fish died.
It ended up getting sick and died.
Yeah, I already walked out the door.
And I was like, oh, brother, here we go with the fish.
And then sure enough, died.
She is wildly intuned with shit.
Then this woman, my brother, like, OK, so my brother's passed away.

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My brother, my mom was the year that my brother had passed away.
My mom was so annoying.
She was telling me constantly, your brother's coming in for Halloween.
And we got to get ready for that.
And I was like, OK, my brother has never come in for Halloween.

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So I was like, how the fuck is-- because the kids are in school.
So I was like, how's he going to do that?
And so I called my brother.
And I was like, hey, are you coming in for Halloween?
And he goes, no.
Well, mom is planning on you coming in for Halloween.
She is-- this is happening in her brain.
Because you got to talk to her.

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I can't get off work.
I'm in the middle of a divorce.
I can't get away right now.
There's no way that I can come.
The kids are in school.
There is zero chance that I'm going to be able to come and bring
the kids for Halloween.
And I was like, OK, so I talked to my mom.
I'm like, hey, you have to quit.
Like, he can't do this right now.
There's no time.

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And she goes, OK, I'll stop.
Oh, right.
But he's going to come for Christmas.
He's got to come for Christmas.
He has to come for Christmas.
And I'm like, mom, he's in the middle.
He's got a bunch of shit going on.
He doesn't have time for any of this.
He's got to come.
And she-- I mean, she was relentless.
And she was never like that.
She never expects the kids to do anything,

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especially the boys to come in.
Have you ever heard her say that in your life?
Never in my life.
I think your brother came out to Utah in the--
at that point, I had known you for maybe 16 years, I think.
And he had come out--
I mean, I want to say maybe five times.
Not much.
It wasn't like he comes out twice a year or so.

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No, he hardly came out.
And he's the family favorite.
Like, everybody loves him.
And when he would come, it was a big deal.
We love him.
So when he would come, not that we don't love my other brother,
but like my other brother, that's a whole other story.
Yeah, there's just family friction.
But it's not friction.

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It just feels judgements.
That's fine.
Anyway, so this one was never like that.
He just-- he loved-- he didn't--
we never feel judged by him.
So I call him up after Chris--
we're getting into the Christmas time.
And I'm like, OK, mom thinks you're coming out for Christmas.

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And he goes, I don't know what's wrong with this bitch.
And I was like, I don't know.
He's like, you got to get her to stop.
I was like, you have to.
I can't tell her nothing.
She doesn't listen to me.
And so then he calls and he tells her the same thing.
Mom, there's no way I can do this.
I'm in the middle of it.
I'm finishing up my divorce.
I have to-- I just sold my house.

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I have to get out of it.
And the kids are in school.
Like, I can't take the kids away from my soon-to-bex wife
on Christmas to take him down to see you.
There's no way that this can happen.
And my mom was just--
when I say panicked, it doesn't give it justice.
She calls me Christmas Eve.

(01:01:28):
Wasn't it Christmas Eve?
She calls me Christmas Eve.
And it's like, I haven't talked to your brother in three days.
And I was like, so?
You know?
Who's what's the problem?
She's like, I talk to him every day.
And I was like, OK.
I don't know if she talks to me every day,
but she doesn't go that long without talking to him.

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And so I was like, OK.
So then I'm like, what's the worry here?
Something's wrong.
I know something's wrong.
And I'm like, OK.
So then I start calling my brother.
And I'm like, if you don't answer this phone,
I'm calling the police.
And I'm going to do a welfare check.
I've also now called his adult child and said,
when was the last time you talked to your dad?
And she's like, what's the concern here?

(01:02:13):
I talked to him a couple days ago.
Yeah, I think that something's wrong.
She's freaking out.
And so then now it puts everybody into panic mode.
And we're all trying to get a hold of him,
trying to figure out what the hell.
So he finally fucking calls me.
And I was like, oh my god, call your mom.

(01:02:33):
You're freaking everybody out.
So then she gets out and said, you bitches are crazy.
And I'm like, I know.
Call her.
She's a fucking, she's having a meltdown, dude.
So then he calls my mother.
And he's like, I'm fine.
I had a cold.
I'm working.
I got a bunch of shit going on.
It's a few days before Christmas or the day before Christmas.
I got things happening.
And then we talked to him because we sent a bunch of kids,

(01:02:55):
presents to the kids.
And then he had us face time the kids.
And then what was it?
Three days later, he was dead.
So I, and I'm telling you, my mom fucking knew.
She knew.
No.
No doubt in my mind, because she just was not ever like that.

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And so she was so hell bent on him trying to get him to Utah.
And I feel like she felt like if he'd come to Utah,
the things wouldn't have happened.
And who knows, right?
I wish I wish she could have discernment
and be able to channel that energy feeling.
I think.
Yeah, because sometimes it's off.

(01:03:37):
Sometimes it's off.
Sometimes it's way off.
Yeah.
So she does that.
She'll get everybody panicked on something.
And then Isaac ends up getting too cool and oscarpecy didn't need.
Right.
You know?
So she's not, she doesn't bat 100.
Or maybe it's like a, what's that stupid fucking show

(01:03:59):
and Disney with the Loki and shit with the multi versus?
Maybe.
Like multi versus things.
And there's like different potentials.
And she like feels like, oh, we might be going down this potential here.
So I don't know.
I can't describe it.
So one time, I'm going to tell him about the, when you got your ketamine treatment.

(01:04:19):
You don't know that one already.
Yeah, we'll do it quick.
Yeah, yeah.
So Isaac's getting a ketamine treatment.
And I go in with Isaac to get his ketamine treatment.
And I have to sit in silence because you can put people in K holes and stuff like that.
So he gets scared.
It's not, it's not necessarily a pleasant thing to do these, right?
Like when you're getting your ketamine treatments.

(01:04:39):
No, not at all.
Like, it's kind of frightening.
The, the, the types that I had is frightening.
Yeah, you fully dissociate.
And then you got to like come back into your body and you're like, what the fuck?
And then you're like super drunk feeling for hours.
That doesn't sound good.
No.
Anyway, so I, I'm always like, I'm surrounding you in light and love.

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And I put my foot.
I take my shoe off and I, he would sleep.
He would sit in a big giant recliner, like a puffy recliner and put a blankie on his lap
or whatever.
And I would put my foot on the armrest.
I had a sock on.
I wasn't like raw dog in it on the footrest.
So I'd put my foot with my sock on the footrest underneath Isaac's hand so that it would,

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he would fill me like, I wouldn't be talking, but he could fill me.
And once you started like waking up, I could talk a little bit more like you just
still like out of it or whatever.
So my mom calls me when I, when we're in the middle of doing this ketamine treatment.
And she's like, oh, I just have this awful feeling.

(01:05:44):
What are you, what's wrong?
And she says, I don't know.
I feel like somebody's going to overdose on drugs.
And I was like, well, it ain't me.
I don't do drugs, you know?
And I was like, what Isaac?
Because I said, she said, what are you doing?
I meant Isaac's ketamine treatment.
And she's like, oh, and she was, I was like, it's fine.
Mom, we're in a clinic.
It's not like we're in a back alley getting ketamine.

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Like, it's fine.
He's fine.
He's awake.
He's waking up.
And she's like, I just feel like somebody's going to overdose on drugs.
I was like, well, go get my niece because my niece is one that could possibly.
So go check on her.
And she's like, okay, all right.
I'll give him a call or whatever.
I just have the weirdest feeling.
It's just like, how did she describe it?

(01:06:29):
She says, you remember that movie where it's Tom Hanks and everything he touches turns
to gold?
And he has a girlfriend and she's, she overdoses on drugs.
And I was like, I have no fucking idea what you're talking about, lady.

(01:06:49):
And she's like, you know what everybody knows this movie.
I'm like, I don't know this movie at all.
And she says, oh, God, it'll come to me.
And I'm like, okay, well, anyways, listen, I got to get off the phone.
I got Isaac's waking up and I got to get him home.
I got to get out of here.
Okay.
And I laugh a little as I'm hanging up.
And I was like, she's or said something shitty because that's what I do.

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And hang up.
And she calls me back.
She's like, I heard you.
I'm not making this up.
And I was like, I believe you.
And my jeez, when I said that, is like, oh boy, I think that's what I said.
I go, oh boy.
And she heard that.
And she thought to herself, I was saying, oh boy, in the sense of, I don't believe you.

(01:07:32):
Like, here we go.
You know, but what I was thinking in my head, because we've now gone through the situation
with my brother is, oh no.
Like this is scary.
And she calls me back.
I'm not lying.
I'm not crazy.
And I was like, I don't think you're lying.
And I don't think you're crazy.
It makes me nervous when you say shit like this now.

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And she's like, the movie, you have to remember this movie.
And I was like, sitting there, I was like, he went to war.
And then he ran or something.
And I was like, forced gump.
And she's like, yeah.
I remember all those details.
Not in the name forced gump.
He had a shrimp.
He had, he like shrimp, you know, like that.
She's give me crazy shit.

(01:08:13):
And I was like, forced gump.
Yeah, that's it.
I was like, what are you talking about?
And then I am like, now I'm trying to like understand what the fuck she's saying.
She's like, I just feel like, you know how the girl was molested by her father.
And then she started doing drugs.
And I was like, mom, I have, yes, I understand what you're saying.
No, I don't know what you're fucking mean.

(01:08:34):
I don't know what you, I don't know anybody like that.
I don't know what you're talking about.
She's like, I just have the weirdest feeling.
And I was like, okay, well, whatever.
Fast forward five minutes.
We're coming home and I see a girl walking down the street, crying so hard that I think it's
that she's laughing.

(01:08:55):
Her face is beat red.
Tears are streaming down her face.
But as I'm driving past, I think she's just laughing really hard.
So then I stop the car and I'm watching her in the rear view mirror to see if like, okay,
she laughing or is she crying?
And she's crying.
Now I can see she's for sure crying and she's screaming into the phone.
And I'm like, oh fuck.

(01:09:16):
And now Isaac's here and he's like, I'll, like, kind of baked from ketamine.
And I'm like, and things like overwhelm you after you've gotten off ketamine.
So I don't want to like freak you out or whatever.
But I also just have this feeling.
So then I go to this girl and I was like, are you okay?
And she, I pull over and I'm yelling out the door to her.

(01:09:38):
Are you okay?
And she's like, I'm fine, I'm fine.
And I can see she is not fine.
So I pull over and I like, stand the car to Isaac and then stand the car right back.
So she was just like a young girl.
I go over there and I'm like, girl, are you okay?
And she's like, I'm going to kill myself.
I'm going to fucking kill myself and she's screaming on the phone.
And I'm getting bits.

(01:09:59):
She's talking to her aunt and she's telling her aunt to pray for her that she's going
to kill herself.
And her aunt is saying, God is sending somebody.
God is sending somebody.
And they say, I want to cry.
And I like sitting there and I was like, Kate, listen, you're not okay.

(01:10:22):
It's hot out of the summer.
It's like, it's hot outside.
Just come get in the air conditioning and catch your breath because she was hysterical.
And so she gets in the back of the car and I'm like, trying to get her to kind of like,
catch yourself and calm yourself and do all of this.
And I was like, and she was thin.
She was very, very thin.
And I was like, have you eaten today?

(01:10:42):
And she's like, no, I haven't eaten.
And I was like, okay, let's go get it.
Are you okay if I go get you a drink?
Let's go get a drink and some food.
And there's McDonald's down the road.
So I was like, let me just take you.
And she's like, okay, I've got some money.
And I was like, it's fine.
I got it.
It's not a big deal.
So I take her and I get her some food and I get her a soda.
And we're sitting there and I bought something because it's uncomfortable to eat when not

(01:11:03):
everybody's eating.
You know, like, I don't want to just buy her food and stuff and then not eat.
But I wasn't really hungry either.
But I was like, fuck it, just give me a soda and give me some nuggies or whatever.
So she's calming down and I get her to get a drink and I get her to catch her breath.
And she, I'm like, what is going on?
And she's telling me that the guy that raped her as a child is her uncle.

(01:11:30):
And he came to her mom's house and she was living with her mom.
And her mom knows that he raped her.
And it was her uncle.
And she was pissed because she's like, why is he allowed in the house?
Like, I've told you what he did to me.
And so she went into a full breakdown.
And then she started talking about how she used to do drugs.

(01:11:52):
And she was doing drugs and while she was doing drugs, like she thought her roommate was
raping her.
And that's when I was like, you got to quit doing drugs.
Like you are losing touch with reality and what's real and what's not real.
And she also was calling her roommate to come get her, like her friend or something like
that.
It used to be her roommate or something.

(01:12:14):
And so I ended up getting her to calm down.
Her friend was coming to pick her up.
I got her some food.
And then she started yelling at Isaac to make sure that he didn't fuck me over.
And tell him, I'm an angel and it's true.
I am.
But it was crazy because then I was like, then at I get her calm, I get her into a safe

(01:12:34):
place and she's like fine.
And she, I'm like, you need to call your aunt back.
I'm sure she's terrified because she's telling her she's going to kill herself.
And then I like start piecing it all together because it was, I mean, it was fucking crazy.
And then I'm like, the molestation, the drug addiction, the, you know, saying she's going

(01:12:56):
to kill herself.
All, I mean, all of this was like happening faster and then I just clicked in my head,
like, oh my God, my mother said somebody was going to kill themselves with drugs.
And she didn't say purposefully or not purposefully.
She just said that was going to have that woman wouldn't win.

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Got an overdose amount of drugs and guilt or so.
I don't know.
I've never seen her since then either.
I never saw her before and I never seen her after.
And we drive past that house literally every time we leave her house.
Yes.
So multiple times a day.
Yes.
Yes.
Why old very strange.

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It was crazy.
Here's another good story.
One more story about my mother, how weird she is.
But then you got to tell about the, the flippy thing.
Excuse me?
You all remember the cookie.
The shot off the counter.
Okay.
So then me and Isaac, I like to go look at antique.

(01:13:58):
There's this cool antique store in Salt Lake City that has like a bunch of doors.
It's like coming off a six out.
Isn't it six out when you're coming over the vine.
And it shows all these cool old doors.
And I was like, man, five cells, I think it's five cells.
So then I was like, those are really cool.
I want to go look at something and get like maybe a really or a Nate old door and then

(01:14:19):
hang it like for it as a piece of art.
I thought that would look really cool.
And I was like, let's go look at that stuff.
So we go to this old antique store and it has crazy shit in there.
There's like a train car.
Number one is packed to the fucking hills.
Everything stacked on top of each other.
If you open drawers of like, oh, sorry.
If you open drawers of your right is on six cells.

(01:14:43):
Okay.
My bed.
Um, of the like, armwars or whatever.
There's like old photos in it.
There's an old stuff lying in there.
It had a train car in there.
It just had crazy shit and everything.
It was dirty.
Everything had an inch of dust on it and weird chairs and weird fucking doors.

(01:15:03):
And as soon as I went in there, I started getting sick.
And I was like, and I had a bad feeling.
And I was like, man, I don't not feel good.
This feels weird.
And I asked you, I was like, do you not feel, do you feel okay?
And this is the first time this ever happened to me.
And I was like, do you feel okay?
And you're like, I feel fine.
So we're like going around and I'm like going, it's like a maze.

(01:15:24):
Like if you go in one way, you have to come out that way because they have shit
stacked so deep.
It is a hoarder's delight.
So tight, you can't hardly move in there.
And so I'm like, and I immediately say the energy's off.
I'm not bringing a fucking piece of furniture into my home from this place.
Yeah.
And I was like, you don't feel that.

(01:15:45):
And you were like, I don't feel anything.
And I'm now starting to get a little dizzy.
And I'm like, I'm feeling fucking fucked up and dizzy.
And you, we go past and I'm like, I'm trying to find something like some artwork or something.
I was like, something that's interesting.
And I'm kind of him hawing like, do I want to take anything back from the store to our

(01:16:09):
home?
You know?
Yeah, yeah.
And I see on the ground up by the cashier, I see a bunch of like, it looked like, it looked
like paintings from a wall.
Like they knocked the wall down and they took the paintings off of the wall.
And it was the passion of the Christ.
And I was like, I said to myself, and this is when I'm starting to get really dizzy.

(01:16:33):
I see it and I go, that's kind of cool.
I was like, I just don't, I don't love it that it's the passion.
Is that seems like one of the darker parts of our faith, you know what I mean?
It's like not the uplifting part of our faith, at least for me.
And so I don't know if I want to put that in the walls of my home.
Like I'm fine with it at church.

(01:16:54):
I'm fine talking about it.
I understand it's part of my spirituality.
Like it's all fine.
But I don't know if I want it at my home.
Like I rather have pictures of Christ or it seems like a weird focus.
Yeah.
Like if I, if I wanted something, it would be just of Christ, just an icon of Christ.
Wasn't there a Louisie K joke?

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Have you seen the passion movie?
They beat the shit out of Jesus.
I'm not.
It's so boring.
It's upsetting.
Yeah.
I'm sure it was, but like I don't know.
I didn't want to, it's just not the part of my faith I like to like engulf myself in.
Anyways, so I see that and I was like, eh, I mean, that's kind of cool.

(01:17:38):
And that would be kind of cool, but kind of a cop.
But like I don't think I want that in my home.
And then we went into one more room and I fucking, it was, I think I said to myself or
I said to you, I bet they got that from a, I think I said it to you.
You did.
I said, I bet they got that from a church where they were doing meth in it, like an abandoned

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church that they were doing meth in.
I said those words.
And then we go into another room and I fucking get puke.
Like I'm going to throw up the room is spinning.
I have to hold on to Isaac shoulder and I'm like, you got to get me out of here now.
I'm going to fucking puke.
And so then we leave and I'm so fucking dizzy.

(01:18:23):
And this is like six out, it's over where like all the homeless people and crazies are.
So like this guy is like screaming down the fucking lane on drugs and like doing scary drug
shit.
And I was like, God damn it.
I want to drive away.
But on the same hand, I was like, if you move this car, I'm going to throw up.
So we had to just, I'm like, lock the door and sit there.

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So I had to sit there.
What are we in the element?
We were.
I locked the doors and I recline the chair and I'm like, lay in there and I'm like, I'm going
to fucking puke.
And I'm just trying to catch my breath.
And then I was like, finally, I was like, okay, move the car.
Just get away from this homeless guy.
And you went around the corner and there was another fucking homeless person like doing
something else scary.
And I was like, Jesus Christ.

(01:19:04):
Okay.
I was like, let's get out of here.
So I catch my breath.
But it's it.
When you get those spells, like it takes a minute to like get your bearings back.
So I would drive it down the road and my mom calls me.
And she says, oh my God.
Where are you?
And I go, I'm in Salt Lake City.
And she's like, oh, I feel like shit.

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I'm so dizzy.
I almost fell off my chair.
And I was like, are you serious?
And she goes, yeah, I had to get up.
I had to leave.
She's at work.
I was, she's at work.
And she's like, I had to get away from the computer and I had to go get some fresh breath.
Because I, I almost fucking threw up.
I felt so bad.
And I was like, mom, you're not going to believe this.

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And I start telling her what happened to me.
And she goes, that's crazy.
But I didn't tell her about the church thing.
I was like, she's like, well, what was in that teak store?
I just had like old furniture and like a fucking stuffed dead lion and a fucking train car
and like some pictures from a church or something like that.

(01:20:08):
Like some, not really.
And I wasn't icons.
I was like, it was like a drop, you know, a drawing from a church or some shit.
And she's like, oh my god, I bet they did met in that church.
And I was like, what the fuck are you shitting me?
I go, why'd you say that?
And she goes, why did I say what?

(01:20:28):
I go, why did you say you think that they're doing met in that church?
And she goes, oh, I don't know.
And then she gets defensive because she thought I was like being rude.
Like, like she thought I was like trying to like correct her.
You don't pay for that.
Exactly.
She's like, she's like, oh god, don't like she like I'm trying to be like correct.

(01:20:51):
Like what is that called?
Yeah, grammatically.
Not grammatically.
Like culturally correct.
Politically correct.
She's like, oh god, you know, I was like, no, no, no, why did you say that?
Why did you pick those words?
I just thought it.
I don't know.
I just thought it.
I go, I literally said that.
I fucking said those words to Isaac.

(01:21:12):
I said they did met in that church.
It was an abandoned church.
And now you're saying it.
And it wasn't like I went on about these.
I was just giving it like they had dressers and a fucking lion and it had some stuff from
a like a church or whatever.
And I didn't even know if I went into abandoned church.

(01:21:32):
I don't even think I said that.
And you weren't talking about the people being on drugs and the homeless people.
Nothing like that.
I didn't talk about the homeless people.
I didn't talk about shit.
I didn't say nothing.
I said I was at an antique store where there was a bunch of weird shit.
And I got really dizzy at the same time that my mother got dizzy.
Very strange.
So fucking strange.

(01:21:55):
That's crazy.
She's got a there's a movie fire starter.
I see even King.
No.
No.
Like this chick has like tele what do you call it?
I'm not telekinesis.
She can like start fires with her thoughts or whatever.
Okay.
I don't know what that was called.
Because when I was in the kitchen with her one time she had a butt cake with the plastic

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you know the plastic butt cake lids.
Uh-huh.
And with like cookies and shit in it.
Or a cake in it.
I feel like there was a cake in it.
Okay.
For some reason.
Was it was a lid off of the cake or was it sitting on it?
The lid was on it.
Okay.
I don't know if it was sealed all the way around or if it was just laying on it.

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I know reasonably it wasn't sealed but it doesn't really matter.
And I was we were having a party.
I was like drunk and I'm standing kind of by the cake and your mom was standing you know
five feet further away from me.
Further from the cake.
And she was upset about something going on at the house over there.

(01:23:03):
Uh-huh.
And she was just venting.
And just listening to her.
And I was looking in the direction.
I was like looking at the cake but not at the cake.
I was looking like in that direction.
And I saw the cake lid on the butt cake lid come off of the cake or cookies or whatever

(01:23:27):
the fuck it was.
And go like a launch off of it and landed on the floor.
It cleared the it wasn't even it was like eight inches in from the counter.
It wasn't on the edge of the counter.
It was like clear in on the counter.
And the lid popped off flipped upside down and landed on the floor.
Like 12 inches it popped up 12 inches or popped up.

(01:23:49):
Man, I don't think so.
It wasn't like it was levitating.
Okay.
But it was high enough that it flipped all the way off the lid eight inches of counter
space all the way to the floor.
And I looked at mom and and I don't remember she noticed it either or not.
I don't think she noticed this stuff like that.
I don't think she noticed it.
And I was like, did you see that?
It was just bizarre.

(01:24:09):
It was the weirdest shit ever.
And I think it was because of her energy that she was emitting.
She has a lot of anxiety.
Her anxiety is at a 10 like her when she walks into a room and if she's anxious, it'll
change the fill of the room.
Yeah.
People detect that.
Yes.
I get easily felt.
And I think that's the same with me is like whatever is internal is external.

(01:24:33):
Yeah.
I don't think that I have a good.
There's no like calmness.
It's either I am calm and you you'll feel like love and stuff poor and same with her.
She pours whatever's in her pores out of her.
Interesting.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
And if she has anxiety, like it will you all have anxiety now.
We're all in anxiety with this woman.

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Yeah.
Hey, you're kind of like that.
Yeah.
She's just on, it's on her sleeve.
It's just not, she just doesn't not have that.
I don't know what it is with her.
It's crazy.
It's the paranormal.
You know, we're messing with things that are unseen.
But she didn't really.
No, I don't think she did.
No, she was, my mom was bleaching the floors.

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She's working.
She works.
That's what that lady does.
She doesn't stop working.
She's cleaning.
If she's not working, she's cleaning something.
Yeah.
But maybe there's like a natural, what do you call it?
Ability there, right?
I think there is.
I think there is.
Kind of tuning.
So we're going to tune in thing there.

(01:25:38):
I would have thought it was only for her children, except for that thing with the girl down
the street.
Yeah, there's too many bizarre stories that I mean, there's something going on there.
It's weird.
Well, I mean, this is a weird segue.
I got a shift back into ghost stories now.
Oh, okay, sorry.

(01:25:58):
I still got two more.
Oh, I thought we were done with ghost stories.
That's why I took over.
No, that would have been a great place to end the show.
Sorry.
All right.
I got a couple more.
Oh, go ahead.
I mean, they're not great ones.
Well, let's just finish her off.
So around 2000, I don't know, 10, we went back to PA and we went to Gettysburg.

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Gettysburg was actually, I wasn't looking forward to Gettysburg.
Gettysburg was freaking amazing.
I loved Gettys.
Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
It's wild.
It's awesome.
It is awesome.
And it's what's awesome about it is that it's so, I mean, it's like tiny little roads
still.
It's not like built up.
It's like, no, this is the shit that was here 200 years ago.
You could see the walls, like the wall, the sides of the buildings with bullet holes

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all in them.
It was crazy.
It's crazy.
Like you got to see it once in your life.
You got to go to the door.
It's really amazing.
I feel like we should have done a proper tour, but this is back when we can rub two fucking
nickels together.
I'm not paying for no tour.
Well, we did pay.
We did a ghost tour.
We did the ghost tour.

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We did a ghost tour.
And then we also, we didn't go to the field where they were fighting, fighting because we
were like, well, that's going to cost us much to go out there.
And then we did like some house of somebody like in the middle of the fighting.
We went and saw two homes that they had converted into like museums or whatever.
We stayed at the Farnsworth house, which is supposedly the most haunted house in Gettysburg.

(01:27:31):
Yeah.
And we stayed in the most haunted room.
That's right.
We stayed in the Sarah Black room, named after the former owners family member.
And that was supposed to be the room in the most activity possible.
And Isaac can literally, he can sleep through anything.
And I have anxiety.

(01:27:52):
And I was like, what the fuck was I thinking?
Because you were like, do you want to do that?
And I said, that sounds great.
And then in the middle of it, I'm like, I'm not going to get an ounce of sleep.
Like there's no way that I'm going to sleep through this shit.
Oh, and hindsight, so many things I would change.
So then I was like the whole night, I was like, I completely respect you.
I am so sorry.
We're in here.
Please.
I don't want to see you.

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I don't want to hear you.
I don't want to feel you.
Please.
I'm so sorry.
And then I finally, I fell asleep.
But we didn't catch it.
We also didn't propagate or do the EVPs in that room.
I don't think.
No.
Because I think at this point, we had kind of been like, leery about ghost hunting.
We believed it, obviously.

(01:28:34):
And what we stayed there, and then we didn't capture anything.
It took us a photos, I think.
I think we went outside and we were doing more video stuff, especially with the
ghost store.
We did some like video stuff.
And that's when when we were there, we had a digital phone.
I had a digital camera.
Was it a digital camera?
Was it my phone?
Digital camera.

(01:28:54):
This is before we had iPhones.
Okay.
So I had a digital camera.
And I'm taking pictures.
And I am, I shit you not.
I see a green ball in front of the camera, not in the screen in the front of the fucking
camera.
And I'm like, Isaac, and I'm trying to get in your like out taking pictures and like,

(01:29:15):
fucking doing your thing.
And I'm like, Isaac, Isaac, and I knew instinctively, I was like, if I blink my eyes, this is going
to be gone.
And I wanted you to come see it and tell me that you saw it if you didn't see it.
And I was like, Isaac, Isaac, come here.
I want you to look at this.
Here, hurry, come here.
And you fucking didn't hurry, which is like typical.

(01:29:37):
And I ended up blink.
I have contacts in my eyes.
I ended up blinking by accident.
And it was gone.
I'm like, ah, fuck.
I wanted you to see this.
Yeah.
So you saw an orb with your own eye.
I saw my with my eyeball, not on a camera.
It was crazy.
But that was the, oh, and then the ghost adventures guys went to the same far as with house.

(01:30:00):
And they said there was a haunted mirror in the basement.
I don't remember seeing that.
I don't know.
It was pretty cool.
Anyway, so that was Gettysburg.
Then the last time we ever ghost on it was down in Tuley, Utah.
No.
What?
It's not Tuley.

(01:30:21):
Tuella.
Tuella.
Tuella in the asylum 49.
Turns out that's where my grandpa died.
Oh, really?
That's where my grandfather died.
Oh, oh.
In the emergency room in there or in the hospital.
Oh, geez.
The asylum 49 used to be the hospital, which is, it still is, or it's not the hospital anymore,
but it's attached to a nursing home.

(01:30:42):
Yeah.
Which is fucking weird.
Yeah, we were in there because we, because at the time, a side of 49 would just do a haunted
house walk through for Halloween in their half of the building.
And then the nursing home was the other half of the building.
We didn't know that.
We were in there, we paid money to ghost on with a bunch of people.
Uh-huh.
And we were in there ghost hunting and they're like, yeah, they're nursing homes on the

(01:31:02):
other side.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
So we were out there.
We're ghost hunting while they're getting ready to set up for October for Halloween for
the, so there's like kind of like some creepy shit out, but not it wasn't totally set up.
It was just like boxes of stuff and things pulled out.
But they said in the room where they have the surgical center and they were like, we have

(01:31:28):
like kind of a, how did she describe it?
Kind of like a salty ghost.
He's a little bit mad in this room, which turns out he was a fucking demon.
That's what she was saying.
He was like, yeah, I mean, we had a psychic come in and say it was like a demon or whatever.
And I was like, that's after we were messing with it.
Bitch, do you have me in here talking to a fucking demon?
Are you crazy?

(01:31:49):
Yeah.
What the fuck?
Like, that's it.
And then another, we were in the other part where they was like labor and delivery and
they said that they would have activity in there also.
And so we were in there like doing some shit and like having the lights turn on and off
and stuff.
The flashlights.
Yeah.
People would say flashlights and you would, and I don't know if that's some parlor trick bullshit
because they were like, okay, it has to be a flash like that activates as you twist it

(01:32:14):
on, which closes the circuit on the battery, right?
Yeah.
So what you do is you turn it so that's on and then you back it off just to touch till
it's off.
So that just needs a little bit of energy to kick on the light.
Yeah.
And then you ask questions and it'll respond by activating the light.
And I was like, I don't know, maybe.
Yeah.
I don't know.
But what I did notice when we did that was when we went into the surgical room, I smelled

(01:32:39):
flowers.
Oh, yeah.
I really like.
Yeah.
And I was like, I smell flowers.
Do you smell flowers?
And you're like, did you smell what I felt like you did?
I don't remember.
Yeah.
I remember smelling flowers when I went in there and I was like, that's weird.
Why do I smell flowers?
Like strong.
Yeah.
And we got done there.

(01:32:59):
And I remember being a little creeped out.
Yeah.
I remember like that was the last time we did it because we were like, we're not doing this
again.
Yeah.
They were so spooked out by everything that we were like, what did we do?
Well, that's because we figured it was a good that that's when we had found out that
it was a fucking demon.
Maybe that was it.
And I was like, dude, I'm not like trying to talk to demons.

(01:33:20):
Yeah.
Because that's what you can attach to you.
Yeah.
Scared me.
We should have started with the rules of ghost hunting for people.
Like when you go to the lead, they don't really show this on the show is but what the ghost
hunter society taught it was that.
And again, like you're dealing with spirits.
I don't know how much the fucking say you've gotten any of this shit.
Yeah.
But supposedly you can say, say a little prayer and you say, thank you for your energy

(01:33:42):
and time.
But you have to stay here.
You can't follow me home.
You have to go this whole fucking script that supposedly works.
But like, I'm like, dude, I didn't know that works.
I don't know.
But on the ghost hunting shows, they never, they never show that.
Yeah, but that's what we did.
That was like, we did it for sure.
We were like, okay, stay the fuck here.
See ya.
Thank you.
Sorry.

(01:34:03):
That was rude of us.
Yeah, you're supposed to be like kind to them and be like, oh, thank you for your response
and, you know, all that stuff.
Well, the best part of that trip was when we were driving back, you almost fucking murdered
us.
The whole car load of people because you thought a bobcat was on the road and it was
when you jerked the wheel and turned it all fast and go, oh, fucking bobcat.

(01:34:25):
And I looked behind and it was a fucking, it was like a tumbleweed.
It was.
It was.
We're all spooked out.
I was joking.
I didn't think it was a fucking bobcat.
You fucking said that's a bobcat.
You guys all ran with that.
It was a joke and you guys ran with it.
I don't have the hard to tell you.
There's a joke.
Why the fuck would I think it was a bobcat?

(01:34:46):
I don't know.
It was a tumbleweed.
You said it was a bobcat.
That is not a lie.
I'm going to get Florida man on the phone and he'll remember because he was on the fucking
car.
So, also fun fact.
I noticed on the show, we bought a funeral home that the guy was wearing a shirt that set
aside him 49.
Did you see that?

(01:35:07):
No.
We're, we're placed hiccup there.
Spirits are attacking my guts.
Yeah, he had a shirt from there.
I guess he did some ghost hunting there which is weird because in the show, he says he doesn't
believe in that shit.
So, I don't know where he got that shirt or why he's wearing it or what's up with that

(01:35:28):
because he's, remember, he was very much like, I don't believe in the ghost when his kid
was looking at it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember that part but I don't remember seeing a shirt.
Yeah, I saw it.
That was interesting.
So, that's, that's all the history of it.
I mean, we went to, we went out, you will fall hunting a dugway which is supposedly area

(01:35:49):
52.
Didn't see nothing.
We, I mean, Jimmy, the jackhammer went to area 51.
I mean, that's not really ghosty but alien paranormal shit, right?
Airfield, he almost fucking cool.
Rachel Nevada.
Okay.
Loved that.
That was a really cool place to check out.

(01:36:09):
Yeah, I still want to go to Skinwalker.
I want to go to Roswell.
These are all adventures that Josie does not want to do any other shit.
I'm afraid of shooting a T-shirt at you.
Yeah.
Or a case cross is a, is a area that people ghost on that and you tell it's pretty popular.
But anyway, the thing I was teasing you about earlier, you talked about how you went to

(01:36:35):
a event and wasn't the spirit of, you guys invoking the spirit of Lilith or some shit.
No, oh god.
Didn't you say that happened?
Yeah, I did.
Kind of.
So like we, we were, somebody was going to buy our salon and the person that was buying
this salon, the person that owns this salon decided to have like all of us girls.

(01:36:58):
It was nothing.
This is so crazy.
Oh, I thought you, okay, go ahead.
Anyway, so like she, they have like, they go to a medium.
Like some, I guess she's a medium or like a spiritual, something or another, I don't
fucking know.
And she had everybody do like a meditation and like do a guided meditation and then we all

(01:37:22):
grabbed a colored candle and we lit the fucking candle and then we gazed into each other's
eyes.
And then in that meditation, she had, imagine much of dudes doing this.
You guys are lame.
Like, I knew each other's eyes.

(01:37:45):
So boring.
You can't do anything fun.
No football.
That's what we do.
How lame for you.
So we get into our circle.
I get it now.
Our period circle.
Yeah, exactly.
And we're gazing into each other's eyes.
Sinking up.
We're sinking up our menstrual cycle.
And I think in that in her guided meditation, she said something to like channel the power

(01:38:11):
of Lilith, which one of the girls is like a churchy person.
And when, when people say that kind of stuff like to me, I just focus on Christ.
Like I'm just like, that's fine.
Like you do you boo.
I don't have a fucking problem with that.
All religions.
Peace, love and happiness.
And so like when they say find Lilith or whatever, I'm like, I'm just going to look

(01:38:34):
for Christ.
So then I just like switch my meditation in my own head and I look for God and I, or the,
you know what I mean?
Like that's the thing I envision.
And whatever.
Like it's, I'm fine.
I'm fine with.
I don't care.
I don't care what other people do.
And the girl that was with us is like a churchy girl.

(01:38:55):
She was having a meltdown.
She was not happy about that.
And I was like, just pray to God.
Who cares?
Like why does that matter?
You're a belief system is Christ.
Your belief system is God.
That's who you, that's who you channel.
Christ God, mother Mary, you know, could be in a fucking baby.
A little bit.
And she's like, yeah, I guess.

(01:39:17):
And I was like, okay.
Anyways.
Well, lots of weird paranormal events in our lives.
Yes.
We'll say that.
Yes.
Right?
Uh-huh.
Now what's interesting is that Father Seraphim Rose wrote a book about this in the 70s.
I believe it was.
Okay.
And the whole book is about how in the future our world will become full of these kinds

(01:39:42):
of indoctrinations into the occult through things just like ghost hunting.
He said that a mixture of spiritual experiences, new age practices and entertainment will be
preparing us for a world of anti Christianity that appears Christian, but is centered upon

(01:40:05):
pagan initiation experiences.
I think if Seraphim Rose heard what the fucking evangelicals were saying and doing, he would
have a giant big fat fucking problem with it.
What do you mean?
I don't know how when Christ tells you to welcome your neighbor and close the people.

(01:40:25):
Oh, for sure.
I think you're in a problem with that.
I'm sorry.
You don't have to worry about the occultist.
You have to worry about the Christians.
He's even more accurate with that though.
Why is that?
It's an anti.
This is what it says in my notes here.
I don't have the verbatim.
Okay.
The preparation of a world that is anti Christian that appears Christian.

(01:40:46):
It's exactly what the evangelicals are doing.
Yes.
They're saying they're Christian.
They're doing the dancing and the wavening over the hands and all the bullshit, wearing
the shirts that say pray and whatever the fuck advertising how Christian they are.
They're absolutely not.
They're not following any of it.
Yes.
It appears Christian, but it's anti Christian.
What's the thing?
Christ tells you that the people that are standing on the corner screaming about verses of

(01:41:10):
the Bible or whatever.
Their reward is here on earth, meaning like they're getting the praises that they want
from that.
It's in the Bible.
Oh, well.
I think it's like Matt.
That's sometimes in the Bible.
He's like, they're getting the reward on earth.
They're reward by sitting here being awful and spouting the bullshit, but then not living

(01:41:33):
up to it is the reward is getting to feel good about yourself.
Congratulations.
And that's what God says.
So I don't know.
Well, anyway, that's that's kind of the I wanted to bring it back to some church.
Our lousy Christian adherence to orthodoxy as the reason why we don't go sit anymore.

(01:41:55):
I'm not like hardcore against it.
Like I'm not like my brother.
You can't do that.
I mean, hell, you might catch me doing it again because sometimes I'm really interested
about.
Uh-huh.
I still look to the skies for UFOs.
I still want to go to these paranormal places like skin walker.
Yeah.
I'm hesitant to dabble in any of that, but I mean, the interest is always there for me.

(01:42:18):
So yeah, I'm receptive to it, but I also am like, I'm not going to fuck with this shit
no more because I do think you're inviting spirits and activity that, you know, you don't
really have control over greed.
So there you go.
That's all the ghost stories.
That's all the paranormal stories I've got.
There can't be anymore, right?
That's got to be all of them.

(01:42:39):
That's all I can remember.
That's all I remember.
Thank God.
Oh, I mean, I guess mine is that I get weird, it's not even night terrors.
Oh, you know, you get your little dark visitor.
I every once in a while, like I haven't had it happen for like eight years, but it just happened

(01:43:03):
recently.
Yeah, not too long ago.
It happened where I'll be in bed asleep and I'll start waking up and I'll see a face
like three inches from my face, like a man's face, right in my face, making crazy, creepy
faces at me.
And I'll jump up scream and I can't see because I got glasses.

(01:43:26):
So I like my glass.
I don't sleep at my glasses.
So I got to go grab my, I'm like screaming and pulling away and I'm screaming for you.
And I'm trying to flip a light on and then I'll flip you'll, I'll get to the light.
Like one time I flew across the bed and flipped the light on and you and the dogs were like,
what the fuck?
What, what, what?

(01:43:47):
And I was like, I looked around and there wasn't anybody in there.
So then I was like, okay, nothing.
And I flipped the light off and I went back to bed.
You're terrified when you do that.
Like that's a genuine terror scream.
Yes.
It's not a dream.
Because I'm like, whoa, what the hell?
And I get sleep paralysis.
I get a lot of sleep paralysis.
And I guess the point of that is, I don't know if a warning is the right term, but I think

(01:44:14):
messing around with this stuff has possible effects in the real world, you know?
Yeah.
Like how we had the weird scratches on the walls and sometimes I wonder if that's not how
like my sister got demons attached to her or whatever.
Yeah.
I don't know if she has demons attached to her, but like she went through addiction.

(01:44:35):
Yeah.
I feel like that addiction was attachments.
But there's things as well we just don't understand, you know?
And it's like, it could be like your mom's weird like spiritual connection thing.
Like maybe that's a beacon for other energies to come in.
I mean, there's always weird things that we just don't know.
And you know, I don't recommend anyone's start ghost hunting.

(01:44:58):
It's like my final verdict.
No, I don't want to do, I'm not really.
It could be why we've got weird things that happened to us.
Yeah.
Could be why you get your little shadow visitor down and you know, in our first house and
our first home, that happened a lot.
Yeah, it's calmed down over the years.

(01:45:18):
Yes.
Yes.
And so I don't, I'm more like, man, nothing's I don't like that.
It's too scary for me.
I think that I do like, I don't know if it's just the connection I have to my mom or
what the deal is, but I just, I feel like I, especially like when I go into like,
second hand stores or antique stores, I get sick.

(01:45:40):
Now, now that's just the thing I do where I just can't walk in that energy anymore.
It just makes me like physically dizzy.
Yeah.
I just feel like when I go into Home Depot, like overstimulated, is that weird?
You are autistic.
Oh, my God.

(01:46:02):
Well, and then, and so now we're more, my point is like now we're more leery about things
and the like we went to in laws in 2021, we went to laws of Vegas and we went to the
Zach Begins Honda Museum, which is super interesting.
It's actually kind of cool.
Tons of weird energy to the point where we paid extra for the VIP experience to go in

(01:46:25):
the basement to see Bella, go see mirror, but we heard some stories about it because they
were like, yes, I'm the people going there.
Fucking diet a car wreck on the way home.
We're like, no, no, I don't want to see it.
Fuck off.
You know, because like we believe it because we we've lived it.
Okay.
But there's I think there's a lot of truth to a lot of these things and I think, you know,
And if there isn't like if it's just like spookier, whatever, I don't know, maybe it's

(01:46:47):
the energy you put into it.
Who fucking knows?
I don't, I don't, I have no fucking idea.
I also don't want to chance it.
Yeah.
So and quick plug if you haven't heard our that episode, you're in for a real treat because
that was a pretty fun one we did back in August of 21.
Oh, it's a bonus.
You have to sign up for the Patreon.

(01:47:08):
If you want to listen to it, patreon.com/brakeysoceanorms at free early access and bonus episodes
like that one from August of 2021.
Okay.
And Josie's looking at her phone.
She's, she's, she's tuning out here.
I gotta go.
Okay.
All right.
If you like the show, thank you for listening.
Until next time, we love you.

(01:47:28):
Bye.
Bye.
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