Ep. 496: Will Gagnon

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
What's up, Everybody? This is Sky Yeager here with another
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which brings me to our guest. You didn't come for me,
you came for d On the line. Of course, we
have Derek, and we also have You're looking. You're looking
at the video at challengemaniacs dot com. You might not
be sure if this is change or if it's Will,

(00:56):
but I'm here to tell you it's everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Everybody doing up for what's going on? Everybody, Jake, Jake,
what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Jake?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Just kidding?

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Listen, everybody, this is Will. I like to call him
ill Will. The first few episodes are the first few
days that he entered the house. I was calling him
a tank because he walked in like a like a
tank of gas that was about to blow up the
entire house.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
And it did.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Feel like, you know, like you were the one.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
True, like you know, identity from like yesteryear, like you
were the first you were the first person where I
was like, man, you know what he's really given me,
like old school vibes, old school soul, like one of
these challengers that from day one and two, I think
maybe able to carry this show all season long.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
And you've kind of you've been carrying a little bit.
Dare I say, how have you enjoyed the challenge? Looks
will and challenge made gas.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I appreciate you, guys, Appreciate you guys. I mean I
didn't say it, you know, I didn't say it, but uh,
I felt like I was just a little more myself,
I would say, than everybody else first coming in the house,
Like what was it the the first night or whatever.
I blacked out, got blacked out drunk because I was
just like, you know, I'm gonna be me, I'm gonna
have fun with everybody, and you know, not trying to

(02:19):
put on a show of someone who I'm not, just
so you know people will like me. Blah blah blah.
But yeah, man, it's been good far, good run.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
So I was looking a blurry, was a little blurry.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
He's a little Surrey. Yeah, a little blurry. Yeah. I
think it's all right, it'll it'll fix itself.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I was just saying, I'm mind it, I'm mine. It
looks good.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, yeah again, I do see it. You are a
little blurry, but maybe, uh you know, it'll hopefully fix itself.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, yeah, it might be. It might be the Wi
Fi might be the wife.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
All right, maybe get off Wi Fi, you know, and
just through the old uh the old five G. Speaking
out of the five G, you are one of more
than five new g's that we have on this season.
I went and looked up what your origin story was,
because that's how we like to start every Challenge Mania interview,
especially when it's your first time on the show. So
I looked it up. You were on Are you the

(03:07):
one you were on the first? Are you the one
to be on Paramount Plus? I would be lying if
I said I watched a minute of this, But that
being said, I do want to get your background story,
your casting story, if you will. We know. Are You
the One? Is a dating show for a lack of
a better term. What got you onto that show? Where
were you in your life when they found you? How
were you recruited? Did you always want to be on

(03:29):
reality TV? And was the path to the challenge the
end goal from the start?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah? So, actually I had just moved into the place
I'm at right now and I got a text on
Instagram and some guy in La some casting guy, was like, hey, brother,
are you single? You know that we have this new
show coming up. It's been off the air for a
few years. And I was like, okay, yeah, like what
is it? And he goes It's called Are You the One?

(03:55):
And in my head I'm like, oh shit, I know
this show because there's a couple of seasons on Netflix.
And I was like shit, I go. You know, it
was kind of like in my head to be on like,
you know, reality TV a little bit, but it wasn't
anything I was really pursuing or trying to get onto,
kind of just like fell And so I put all
my info, did all these you know, interviews and they're like,

(04:19):
all right, yeah, we want you like, come on now.
So we went over to Spain and Grand Canario there
and filmed for I don't know, six weeks or so,
and then the show just flopped. It was off the
air for what three years because it was during it
was right after COVID and everything, so excuse me, so
no one, you know, was really watching it anymore. And

(04:41):
it was the first season after the I'm pretty sure
it was The Bisexual season one, and everyone was like,
I don't want to watch the you know, the straight
season again, so you know, we might not be as fun.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
But and then real quick, well real quick, I think
d wants to try to get your video all set
before we keep going.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
So it was perfect before we started, and then now
it's just straight blurry.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Maybe try to go back by the to the Wi Fi.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
All right, yeah, hold on, let me just swipe down
real quick.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
No, No, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
And then what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna
start over, and then I'll cut the video file to
start here.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
See he's clear now perfect, Well, once on start if
he starts talking, so he starts moving and starts talking,
we'll count.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
To like twenty.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
He looks good.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
He does, but once he starts talking, it's.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
A solid it's just good. I think it's good. I
think we should just go.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
That's the that's the jaw line that uh yeah, I
think we just keep it going unless unless I'm.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Gonna I'm gonna do a new intro here. We'll just
kind of do everything we just did again and then
we'll cut it from here to start.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
All right, Okay, get it all right?

Speaker 1 (06:03):
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You didn't come for me, You came for D. And

(07:06):
joining me is D's fellow cast member from season forty one.
I thought it was Jake, he corrected me. It is,
in fact, Will everybody give it up for Will Dan?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yet? Everybody, how are you?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
You didn't just come for me?

Speaker 4 (07:22):
You came for you can't came for Will's D.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
That's enough for that one good one getting We've been
saying it since I think our second episode. You didn't
come for me, You came for d and we're sticking
with it and uh. And since then there have been
people who have come for the d uh metaphorically literally, figuratively.
We just got back from Detroit where people were coming
to the d uh. But you are someone who's d

(07:48):
has been in the news as as Derek said, how
are you? And Derek so reconnect with your with your
friend here, your fellow new threat, I guess Bret to
your vest.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, so this is take two.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
But yeah, I was, you know, really excited to finally
talk to Will because when he came in on the
scene the first few days, I mean, he was like
it was like a tank of gas walking through the house.
I mean he was given like old school vibes, old
school soul. You know, he reminded me of like a

(08:20):
challenger from from yesteryear. You don't get that from a
lot of these new kids. I mean, granted, he's twenty nine,
so he's a little closer to you know, to us
then you know, the twenty two year olds on this season.
But I was just saying, like I could really appreciate
someone in coming in like a like a like a
like a you know, like like a take a gasoline
ready to blow up the house, and he kind of

(08:40):
did in those few first few episodes, you know, even
coming from the hotel, like you were blowing shit up.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
So yester Year or is it mester Year. I feel
like he's an ode to the mess of your years
of the challenge? Is that really what you want to say?
He's messy like you guys used to be.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
He is, He is the new He is like one
of the superheroes from from Yesteryear. And I appreciate you know,
having you this season in all of your organic ways.
How have you been enjoying this, uh, this mess of
a reality you've entered.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
It's it's been a wild ride so far, you know,
it's been it's been good where you know, I'm getting
all the love and now you know at the right
now I'm on everyone's ship list. But uh, you know
we're pushing through. We're chucking you know, we're tucking through.
So uh, hey, if they're not talking about you, you
must not be doing something right. So that's got to

(09:35):
be doing something that's good.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Now. Do you feel like the ship list has just
recently started or do you think you've been on uh
on the list since early on, with maybe the punch
in the wall and the love Triangle all that stuff,
and now you've just moved higher up the list. But
I feel like it's recent.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
No, I think it's more recent. I think me punching
the wall and all that drama at the beginning. I
think that's what everyone needed, you know, needed to see. Needed.
You need some drama, you know, you need you want
to have people want to watch, you know, and if
you're just gonna be boring and not doing anything, no
one's gonna want to watch you, right so, and now,

(10:10):
honestly that's not even in my head, like all of
that was just being me and you know, a little
bit of vodka, so you know, but.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I think Carl Maria in her Rose said there was
something like, you know, stay away once. Yeah, it was
a couple of vodka Red Bulls if you will, which
you know you think vodka is the problem, red bull
I mean, if you've seen Mark long on three and
a half Red bulls'd it's worse than vodka. But walk

(10:40):
us through. Okay, So we want to get your casting story,
which for those of you guys listening or watching, you
might not know Will was on Are You the One?
Which I was blown away when I looked it up.
You were on Are You the One? Season nine? I
can't believe that there were nine seasons of this show.
But your season is sort of a forgotten season. It
was the first one that wasn't on MTV. It made
its way on Too Pair Amount, Plus it was after

(11:01):
a long hiatus after the high concept, sexually fluid season.
So walk us through how you wound up on that
show and whether or not that was a stepping stone
to the challenge or whether you thought that was just
gonna be a one and done. I do one reality show.
Go back to my regular life, if you.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Will, right right? Yeah, So I actually just had moved
into this new spot that I'm at right now, and
there was a casting guy from LA that hit me
up and he was like, hey, dude, are you single?
And at the time, I like was, but wasn't you know,
we're just going through some things and uh I was
like yeah, you know, I kind of ignored him for

(11:37):
a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Is that some random guy in your dms? Are you single?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Like?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, I ignore them? Right?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
How do you know?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
How do you happen it happens more often than you'd think.
I just got to be like, oh man, you know, hey,
sorry fellas, I'm just I just go the other way.
That's my bad, my bad, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah. Well, casting has gotten so lazy that now it
literally is just the guy or gal dming you saying hey,
I just swear believe it's me. I work for this company,
but we're trying to cast a show. But it looks
identical to some just Rando asking you if you're single
and giving you the nose emoji because they want to
see your feet. They look identical. So there's no desk,
there's no business card, there's no line that d had

(12:19):
to wait on and get interviewed in front of a
large group of people. It's just through the dnta single
red and mingle.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah yeah, well so, I mean he's verified, he has
a ton of followers, and he sent me the link
right away, you know, for for are you the one
to do? They asked me like, oh, like, you're single.
Have you ever heard of the show? And I was like,
oh shit, I have. But the show was off the
air for what like three years. I think it was
because it was right after COVID, so no one really

(12:46):
knew about the show coming back. It was supposed to
be this huge ordeal because it was also the first
one that was a global addition, so you had people
from all over the world coming in into the house together,
excuse me, and they didn't promote it well at all,
barely any promotion, you know. I thought that was kind

(13:06):
of my foot in the door for you know, reality TV.
It wasn't something I was really you know, striving for.
It just kind of fell, you know, into my lap.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
A little bit. What were you doing at the time.
Were you just like a hot guy on Instagram? Or
was there something about your life or your your following
or your photos or things like that that made you
an attractive choice for the show.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I honestly, maybe just the way I look from Instagram,
because I'm not I'm still not big on Instagram, Like
no one knows me still, Like I only have twenty
five thousand followers, which isn't shit, and most of those
are from my TikTok anyway. But I was running a
I was running a window blinds company at the time,

(13:47):
so I was kind of just you know, doing all
that shit and then yeah, just randomly hit me up
and then did all that show did terrible, didn't get
anything from it besides being on a casting producers' lists.
I guess you could say for them, you know, to
reach out and probably I probably saw this photo.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Will use Actually look at that guy, I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Use that photo to promote this podcast, and I I
feel like, you know, let's see, I wonder if I
could we could get you at least that picture is
gonna get you three thousand extra followers.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I'm gonna say. I could be wrong. I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I may we'll take the three get rid of the
extra zeros.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
I think I'll just be like, is that Derek blown up?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
And like, is that? Is that a blown up Derek?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I don't think they're standing. I don't think no. I
think they're saying, is that u Thor's little brother? I
think is that is not the lot? Is that the
missing hem?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Is not?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
The Missing Hem's worth? For those of you guys not
watching the Challengemaniacs dot com, I mentioned that because you
can watch all of our episodes, I'm holding up a
photo that look this might check out. This is from
May thirty first, twenty twenty one. Since no one likes
when I have a shirt of y'all summer ready. Okay,
So you know, first of all, you're you're tweeting like
a reality star, whether you were or not. And then

(15:07):
it's you in front of a mirror and you look gigantic,
So I don't know what kind of hgh kind of
stuff you were.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's that's when. That's when. That's probably that was bigger
than when I came onto the show. Because when I
came onto the show, I'm pretty sure Derek can attest
to this. I was about two. I came in about
two almost two forty on the show, and you could
tell like I had a real buffy fat face and
I was just leading on water weight and everything. And
then by the end of the show, I was like
two fifteen.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
So I mean, what are you so like a righter?
I mean you look you look like a like a wrestler.
You look like you do you kind of look like
a like patthing like that. Yeah, you are ripped and shredded.
So they probably saw that and they said, sign this
guy up. If we get him to ditch his girlfriend,
he's on the rocks with boy, will he be fun
in Spain? So go ahead, So take us back to Spain.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Well, let me just let me get my take real
quick on this are You the One?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Because I mean, Scott, we're pretty like this is twenty
twenty three, like he's getting asked to do are You
the One? In twenty twenty three, And this is the
first time where I'm realizing that that will you weren't on?

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Because when I went to look you up.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
To be like you thought he was, I know, I
was like, what what are you the one?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Cast?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Was he on?

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Because surely he was on with somebody that that's been
on the Challenge or you know, someone on his season
must have been on the Challenge, right, because if he's
twenty eight, twenty nine years old, he's definitely twenty four
twenty three when he did are You the One?

Speaker 3 (16:29):
That's what I was thinking. Twenty five six.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
I didn't realize that there was like a whole new
a season of Are You the One?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
And he's on the newest season of Are You the One?

Speaker 4 (16:39):
I mean that makes sense because they they must have
he must have been, like, you know, a main character
on this season for them to be like, that's the
one that we want to put on the Challenge, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Well, so tell us, I mean, walk us through, give
us the cliff notes, because lord knows, none of us
or our listeners are going to go and watch it
us the slip notes of that season? Like, were you
the one?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I mean, I know, I know, I know. It's sort
of like you got to figure out who was there
and was meant for your match and if you guys
all pick right, then you get to win money and
things like that. Did that happen for you? Did you
get into any fights? Did you find love? Walk us
through your season?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Did you hook up the note chicks on that show?
Then you did on the Challenge?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I did not. I did not. I actually didn't hook
up with anybody on the show?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
What?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, no one.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
I was like, you know what, that's what we want,
the celibate guy that the real, the one that doesn't
hook up with anybody on Are you the one that's
the one that we want on the challenge?

Speaker 3 (17:36):
He's perfect?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right? And then Bob, so, what.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
What did you do if you weren't? If you weren't
you know, you know, getting it in in that way?
What what do you think was your rest audition for
the Challenge on the sea If anything.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think. I think just my presence being there. I
mean from episode four until the very end of the show,
I was like the main character pretty much. I think
just because of the way that you know, I was.
I'm probably gonna get shipped for this because people are
gonna bash me, but the way I was talking to
everyone and you know, actually like, I don't know, playing
the role of someone who could have good conversations and

(18:15):
hold those conversations and actually like bring something to the
table for a dating show, because I really was like,
you know, if there's someone here for me, like I'm
all about it, Like I was, you know, all for it,
and I just didn't happen. There was there was this
one girl though that I was really feeling, really feeling,
and we weren't a match, so I was like, okay,
But then the one that was my match, we didn't

(18:37):
like each other at all, like the whole entire so
maybe you know, there's a little drama me and a
couple of the guys, not fist fights or anything, but
we were just you know, fucking running each other's mouths
to each other, this, this and that. So I mean,
I don't know, I was.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
I gotta give another crossover question, because if I wasn't
confused about how they cast all of us on the Challenge,
then then I am now but but but now you
bring up this, you know you kind of you have
some some sort of verbal altercations, is what it sounds like. Ye,
do they give more booze on on are you the

(19:17):
one International?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Than they do on the Challenge?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
They cut us off? So they cut Yeah, they cut
us off because we were drinking too much and I
think having a little too much fun. Well, so we don't.
But the thing is is we don't get to go
out on that show. And the one times, you know,
the times that we do get to drink, it's like,
all right, you guys are have two beers and then
they would lock the keg. So or if after like

(19:43):
a matchup.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Ceremony, beers two beers.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah maybe like yeah to twelve ounces probably I would say, yeah,
that's about it. And I'm like, well, that's no fucking fun.
You know, what's the point of even drinking if you're
not blacking out?

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Well, I mean, I gotta I gotta push back on that.
I gotta push back on it.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
I gotta do gotta mind you, I probably you probably
were put on restriction after that like first two days.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Definitely after the game incident.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I think they probably put Yeah and Gabe on the
restriction and that was that was like, I was like,
that's gentle, it.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Was good, it was good. That was easy.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Were you put on like restriction or after like day
day two or did you put yourself on restriction after
like day two on Challenge?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
No, No, they didn't put me on restriction until the
Gab incident. But the game incident, I mean, that's nothing.
I mean, he was just getting all loud and stuff
and I was drunk and I was just like, you're
not going to talk to me like that. And then
Gabe started saying things that weren't true and that's what
set me off. And then yeah, how come.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
You think they didn't show that because that's something we
obviously we heard about on the pot cast. Derek was
bringing her right, and it was it was around that
time where you know, you punch the wall and everything,
and it seemed like it would have been like, oh wow,
and Gabe was also having you know, incidents, but not
at the time. It seemed like would have been another
thing to add to both of your you know sort
of uh, I guess resumes if you will. And then

(21:16):
we just only heard about it in passing Why and
it seems like such a quintessential challenge thing to show.
It's like a fight. It didn't get too nas Why
why do you think they didn't show it?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, you have to, Yeah, you know, you gotta think
about it when you know. I'm there and I'm talking
about d most of the time, So they're gonna make it,
you know, and edit it as like, oh, Will's getting
all upset about this girl, blah blah blah. You know,
no one really cares about the fight. So then when
you see me punch the seat in the bus, it's

(21:45):
not because of her and Johnny. It's because me and
Gabe are going at each other left and right, left
and right. So basically what happened was I was drunk
with the girls sitting at the table and Gabe was sober,
and Gabe was like like, yo, chill the fuck out,
and I was just I looked at him like the
fuck are you talking to And then that's how you know,

(22:07):
that all got started. And then we just started going
back and forth, back and forth, and then it kind
of carried onto the bus and then we're like, you know, okay, whatever,
We're good. We're good. But obviously, you know, you're making
a show, so you want to edit it. How you're
gonna edit it? And yeah, that's basically what it was.
And it wasn't honestly, it was like D. The D

(22:28):
situation kind of just added fuel to the fire, if
that makes sense. You know, it wasn't really the main
the main thing.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
So well, let's get to the D. Go ahead, D Well, what.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Was was the main thing the you know, seeing Johnny
and d you know, kind of moving forward, or was
the main thing the game thing? And then and then
that was and then that was secondary to the game thing.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, No, me and the game thing that
was the that was the main thing D And the
Johnny thing was just like second, Like yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
So when you punched the wall, that's more that happened
after the game thing or that.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Was Yeah, so that was that was at the house
and then so I was just going through my own
ship at the time as well. So like when you
see me crying upstairs with Justin and everything, yeah, that
was what I was crying about. Was totally not even
irrelevant to the house at all, like nothing whatsoever. And
then you know, you add alcohol to the mix and everything,

(23:25):
you know, gets a little crazier. So that's what that
was all about. So I was just hating life at
the time.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
But can I can I just can I just stop
you for a second and make you feel more normal
that if you're not feeling completely normal yet. My first
season of road Rules or my first show of Road Rules,
I too, you know, overindulged on the uh you know,
alcohol or beer that night, and I too punched a.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Tree and uh and.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
I also so you know, had a talking to the
following day. But what I don't know for what reason
I did that. Like it wasn't like I was, uh
you know, I feel like I was angry about anything.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I was.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I think I was just kind of fucking.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
In my own world and seeing, yeah, the tree can
if my hand can take the tree.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
The r V took took a couple of shots. I
mean like this was you know, when you came in
the kitchen that day and and.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
You were like your knuckle was distoy and I was
just like, you know, all right, he's like that.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
You know, uh yeah, I mean, hey, better to punch
of wall or a tree then you know, freaking hurt
someone or something like that. But I mean, obviously I
was I'm not going to fight anybody, but you know,
I'm just a figure of speech.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
But let's go uh, let's go back to uh, you
didn't come for me, you came for d As in
d via Daras. Beginning of the season, it was uh.
I think when she was on the podcast she clarified,
you guys started to kind of it all started in
the hotel, if you will, or at least maybe in
the airport, things like that, let's get your side of this,
so and whether or not because you're you're saying that, look,

(25:18):
what we saw on TV was a little bit disproportionate
to how much you actually cared about her. It was
kind of the combination of that, some things going on
in your day to day and then also the game stuff.
But walk us through the little brief, little relationship if
you can call it that, or hook up that you
guys had at the beginning of the season. We'd love
to get your side of that.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so no, no, we were just kind
of like flirting in the airport, you know, and kind
of led to the hotel, and you know, we were
playing what telephone or whatever because we all had phones
in the rooms, and then whatnot. So we were talking talking,
We're like, oh, hey, like, you know, let's hang out.
And then I don't think we were supposed to. I

(25:56):
don't know, that's all said. They were fucking hanging out
with everyone.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
So yeah, and then, by the way, this is the bet,
this is the better show. They need to one day.
They need to figure out how to film that without
letting you, guys know, put you in a hotel, make
you think you're all, give you the phones, let you
think you're sneaking around Hogwarts over there, meeting in the stairwell,
hooking up. Meanwhile they're filming the whole thing. You guys
think you're gonna go to a challenge, You're like, oh no,
we got it in the can. We're good. We just

(26:22):
for this.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Well, or after they've heard this a few times, they're
just gonna be like, no phones and everybody stays in
their room.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Ha.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think the thing about no phones is, if correct me,
if I'm wrong, they have to give you a phone
so you can call them. They don't have the wherewithal
to disable the room to room and that's why you
guys have a phone that you can call each other.
That's really why, right.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Or are using the phones don't have to be in there, or.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Are using the cell phones? No, the phones have to
be in there because how else, because how else would
you call in an emergency. I'm pretty sure legally they
cannot put you in a room without a way to
contact that. Yeah, that's what it is. That's that's the
reason they're doing it. It's a liability to have you.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Not of a phone, fire alarm goes off, you know
where you got to get out.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
But it's not just fire alarm, Like obviously if you
need that, there's a million things you could need. They
want you to be able to contact them, and more importantly,
they want to be able to contact you without having
again in the act. I imagine having to go all
the way to room eight ninety seven if really just
want to be like remember two am, call time, whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Butt you wake up?

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, exactly, So they want to be able to reach you.
Ideally you wouldn't be able to call out, but they're
not going to tell the courtyard Marriott and Chilly or whatever. Hey,
can you restructure your entire phone system. They're not paying
them enough for that, and that's why you guys have
the loophole be in to call each other. But here's
the funny thing about it. By forcing you into that instance,
what are you guys doing. You're calling each other talking
on the phone. That's an archaic form of interacting that

(27:42):
people don't even do anymore because we're so used to
texting and dming and just setting a little emoji hey
want a bag. That you guys are connecting on a
level that like people haven't connected on since nineteen ninety seven.
I think that's brilliant. I think there should be a
reality show that. Literally. That's the point is like, hey,
try getting laid. All you have is a two way
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Okay, okay, okay, fine, so so so so then the
other the other option is okay, put like, have the
hotel give you, uh the option to put cameras in
every fucking room and uh in the hallway.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
That's the other option. That's what or the hotel is
going to allow them to you.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I'm saying like, I'm saying, like this is really its
own show. You fake a hotel. You're not even in
a hotel, you're in like a huge set, like how
they make the circle where literally you're on set. You
think it's like, uh, you know, I'm trying to think
of like a good example of like a movie where
they like, you know, fake a location where you think
you're you know, you know all these hidden camera shows,
right like Punked or whatever, things like that, you know, restaurants,

(28:40):
take out. You think you're in like a regular hotel.
Meanwhile you're on the set of the show. It's called
like sequestered. Like literally, it's like when you think you're
just being sequestered before the show, that's actually the show
and then things start having it to you.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Anyway, let's get back to Let's get back to Bill
Will's hotel antics.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
So, yeah, you're talking to d on the phone. You guys,
are you know, mingling in the stairs or wells? Where
are you guys making it? By the way, we got
to meet me by the.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Pool where we're we're our rooms. Our rooms are right
next to each other.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
She just kind of right in.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah. So literally I opened my door and
like right here, her door is right here. So we
knew each other as room number. So we just started
calling each other and she's like, oh, you should come over,
and I was like, I don't know, and then you
should come over on you know, Okay, I'll come over,
I guess And that was basically it.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
And so did you know of her, you know, prowess
on Survivor where you were where she won Survivor? Now
did you know that she won Survivor by roping in
a guy? And uh, and you know, not turning on
him per se, but kind of you know, stealing all
the thunder at the end. You knew none of this?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, no, no, I didn't know anybody. I didn't I didn't
watch anything. Yeah, nothing.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
So before you got on are you the one? Did?

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Were you like in casting portals? Like were you trying
to get cast for anything? They literally found you on
Instagram and they were like.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
That, yep, exactly, yeah, because like I really wasn't trying
to like pursue TV. It's just random this guy.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
So was it for I forgot? It was a roofing company?
Was the company?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I was?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
It was I was. I was fucking window blinds, windows Okay,
I was running the whole I was running the entire company.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, so you're doing that then and then are you
the one happens? As you said, it was, for lack
of a better term, kind of a flop. I imagine.
It didn't kind of like launch you into like, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Nothing, no, nothing at all nothing.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Do you come back? Are you just still doing the
window stuff? And is that? And then and then kind
of similarly, when the call comes from the Challenge, is
it a similar kind of DM situation? Was it a referral?
Obviously now they know you from already the one, it's
a little different. But talking about that casting.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Process, so actually, well I didn't know, but I guess
they put you in the portal like you guys were saying,
and other casting producers grab you or blah blah blah whatever,
because I'm pretty sure are you the One was one
of the first shows that Challenge started grabbing from, if
I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeahs yes it was.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
It was the third show.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
It was the third original show actually, okay, before they
started expanding and doing Big Brother Survivor Fucking whatever, UK
Geordie Shore and all that ship. But yeah, that was
like the third one.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So Lisa hitting me up and she goes, hey,
have you ever heard of the show the Challenge, and
I was like, oh shit, hers was about kind of
the same, actually pretty similar, and I was like, oh
my god, yeah like the great shows. She's like, oh,
would you be interested? Blah blah. I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah.
So just filled everything out and then did you know

(31:54):
all the interviews that eight minute long fucking self talk
video to the phone, and yeah, they guess they liked
what they saw because she called me to like, all right,
we want you to be main cast and I'm like,
of course, and.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
You and you had heard of the challenge, but like
during this process, you didn't say start like brushing up
on it. Did you watch forty so like so for instance,
like d I understand because she's on Survivor, but like
when you walk in there, well, let's talk about the vets, Derek, CT, Johnny,
you know, whether it's Olivia, michaela, who did you? Did
you recognize anybody? And if so, who wasn't and how

(32:31):
much did you know about them?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
The only ones I really knew were CT and Bananas,
just because I could I see their faces popping up
here and there through Instagram, and that was it. I
still didn't go watch the show, like I've watched the
show maybe like bits and pieces of episodes here and there,
but I don't watch a full episode. I really don't

(32:53):
watch any reality TV, and so I was like, you
know what, I'm not going to go in there with
all the you know, uh vets or whatever. But really
I didn't really know either.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
At the time. You don't know, yea, yeah you don't.
You don't know, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
But once I get there, I'm like, you know what,
I'm kind of glad I didn't because some of the rooks,
you know, are like, oh my god, that's that's so
and so, Oh my god, that's so and so, and
it's like, dude, they're you know, like relaxed, they're normal people.
So I think that kind of But also I think
that plays against you because you're so enticed with seeing them,
you know, because you always see them on TV and
you know X y Z, and I'm just like, yeah,

(33:29):
but yeah, no, I didn't. I didn't watch nothing interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
And are now retroactively. So it sounds like you're happy
you did that, because, like you said, did you were
in starstruck this or that the other thing. But being
someone who, as we've already talked, about has had their
edit shaped a little bit where it's like, hey, three
things are happening. They dumb it down to make it
all about d Right, obviously you did have you had
the r E the one experience, which I'm sure some
to some degree that happened on that show. But do

(33:53):
you do you regret not kind of watching the challenge
just to get an idea of like how the confessionals
are used, how you or own footage can be used
against you in the court of law, how like you
know sometimes what happens is not with the crowd sees
things like that. Or are you happy that you kind
of now are only figuring it out after the fact
having participated.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
No, honestly, I'm not mad at all because I know
how I know, you know, how shows work, they edit
how they want to be edited. But no, I'm not
mad because you know, I know the truth, I know
what happened. You know, I know what went down, and
I mean it's been pretty good TV so far, so
you know, I can't really complain.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Can I Just want to do a little bit more
background just so people know where my man is coming from.
It says online that you're from Los Angeles, California. But
you are from like the Buffalo area, right.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm from yeh, Upstate New
York and Canada where specifically? So? I grew up in
Ontario for like eleven twelve years and I was born
in Upstate New York, moved over to Canada with my dad,
then moved back to New York, finished high school up
and then took off to them core.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Where so so Ontario, Canada? Where? Where? What's what city
or town in Upstate New York?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I was born in Medina, New York. So it's like
thirty minutes from Buffalo, ish kind of.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Im And then I thought I would know it. I
do not know.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Medina got very very very small town in Orleans County
and then, uh, it's called Mount Morris, New York. Is
where I finish high school. It's tiny, tiny, tiny, uh town?

Speaker 1 (35:30):
What made you go from there to LA other than
it being ten times better obviously, but but what what?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Was it a job or was it you know, kind
of just wanted to Yeah, no, I.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was, so, I was. I was supposed to go play
soccer in college actually, and I didn't want to go
to school anymore. So my dad was like, well, you're
not just gonna sit around here, and I I wasn't
really trying to do construction with my best friend because
his dad's owns a construction company over there. And I
was like, fuck, all right. So my plan was to

(36:00):
join the Marine Corps, come back to New York, and
be a state trooper because you have to be twenty
one to take the civil service test. And so it
was like, fuck it, dude, join the Marine Corps four years,
come back be a cop. This is uh and uh
so what was it when all that, when all those
shootings were going on, and like, I think twenty seventeen
eighteen is kind of when all the cops were getting

(36:22):
you know, shot at, And I was like, man, you know,
I don't really think I'm gonna be getting shot at
anytime soon. You know, got a lot of life to
list still, So join the Marine Corps, came out here,
and then I didn't want to go back to New York.
I'm not a big fan of the cold, so I
was like, you know what, let's stay out here and
uh let's see what we can do.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
I want to touch on this sports background. I did
not know that you were going to go play college soccer.
I didn't even have that. I didn't even know that
that sport was part of your history. I knew that
there was like some hockey, some football. I mean, I
mean you're you're a big guy. I mean your athletic
which is why as we move on, I'm thoroughly confused

(37:04):
on how you and Olivia don't know that you guys
are an absolute fucking power team and our borderline one
of the you know, front runners here to win this
whole thing.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
But I didn't.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
I didn't have you pegged as a as a soccer
player whatsoever. What was your sports history, you know, the
high school years and then going into college. I did
read somewhere on the internet that that you got drafted
by the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Am I wrong? That is that wrong too?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Okay, Derek, you made the cardinal mistake of googling someone
and assuming that everyone with that name is the same
person I.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Know today said he played is gonna go play d once.
I don't know if it was D one soccer, but
two soccer.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah. Well, you know what, It's funny, I because I
know that he made this mistake today, because when I
looked you up today, to find out what season already
the one you are. Some baseball cards started coming up,
and all it took was one look at the guy
to realize it wasn't you.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I mean, it's the.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Guy, but other than that, like it doesn't really look
like at that level of fact checking. Uh huh. Yeah,
because I want you to know that when people are
drafted by the Dodgers, they lead with that and not
I almost played college.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Song, unless you don't want to talk about it and be like, oh,
I got injured so I couldn't play that night.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Listen, I feel like, you know, despite what you guys
may see, I feel like he's a pretty humble guy.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Like he's not like he's not like he doesn't gloat
all day long. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Look, we we also lived on separate sides of the house.
I mean, you were one of the people I probably
maybe talked, you know, didn't talk to as much because
of the proximities in the house and kind of like
where the alliances kind of kind of fell. Whereas you know, now,
you know, as the game goes on, you're kind live
in the same predicament, in the same boat as as

(39:02):
I was in when I got with d is where
like your alliance is on one side, her alliance was
on one side and Olympias on completely others, the same
same as mine. So like, you know, life is probably
kind of shitty, uh for you right now in the game.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, anyway, the.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Sports background, the sports history for you, my friend, why
are you so good?

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Why are you going? Uh?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I don't know. I would have to thank my my
mom and dad. I guess probably my dad though, because
my brothers are athletes too, like growing up playing hockey football.
The one went over to played D one football way
on the West coast somewhere. He probably could have went
to the NFL, but he got homesick and went back

(39:46):
home to mom. But uh, I don't know, man, I
just grew up ever since you know, I moved in
with my dad when I was like four. He put
me right into hockey, right into all things you know,
sports related. So growing up, hockey was my main sport
and that's like what I wanted to do my entire life,
you know. And then there was just like the side
sports like football, soccer, I played lacrosse, golf, you know,

(40:10):
as anything, basketball, like anything you know that I could
get my hands on and so but then I had
to take a year off of hockey growing up because
times were tough, you know, couldn't afford to go play.
My dad was going through a breakup at the time,
and so life was just rough for us. You know,

(40:31):
the power was off in the house. We had to
heat up, heat up some water and what do you
fucking like a crock pot or whatever the fuck it
not a crock pot, but you know, boil water, yeah, pot,
And that's how I would shower when I would go
to school. So then I had to take a year
off and I came back a year later. That's when

(40:52):
we moved to New York, and I just wasn't the
same just was not the same person anymore. Still had
you know, a hell of a season and then after that, uh,
they wanted me to play two levels up. So I
was what fourteen, I was twenty fifteen, So they wanted

(41:13):
me to play with the seventeen year olds. And at
the time, I was like, man, I don't know, you know,
I don't I don't think I really want to anymore.
I kind of want to just you know, enjoy high
school sports with my friends and focus on that I
really wish I didn't, honestly, because hockey was, like, you know,
my first love. But my dad was like, you know, hey,
I'm not going to force you. And I think that's
the one time where I wish my dad would have

(41:36):
you know, would have made me. But yeah, just growing
up in soccer, basketball, fucking track, baseball, just everything. Honestly,
I'm just big sports guy.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
It's fine, I'll be honest.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Like back to the parenting stuff, Like because my son's sixteen,
you know, just had an ACL injury.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Like he's he's working his way back, you know for
one year. One one year. He's pretty good at football.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
But like even the earlier years where it's like, you know,
fourteen thirteen, fourteen fifteen, you're trying to figure out like
like where do they want to what do they want
to do?

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Do they love it? Do they like it? Are they
putting the extra reps in by themselves?

Speaker 4 (42:17):
You know, because like eventually, as like a dad, like,
it gets exhausting to the you know, it gets to
the point where you're like, listen, if this kid doesn't
want to do it, like you know, if he doesn't
like it, if he's not enjoying it like I've kind
of taken it as far as I can, so I'm
kind of fishing in continue hockey either.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
So yes, it's tough continue.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
He did continue a little bit of tonsil hockey. Uh
in the uh in the segue department. Uh, not just
with D, but then later on with Nanni.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Well we don't know what happened with him and D.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
So well that's not.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
The way we don't know, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Oh okay, well, okay, okay, but hockey they played some well, okay,
I'd imagine the base level of it's.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
So funny that hockey talk is so hard to find,
and the fact that you know, you guys bring up
tonsil hockey and all this stuff up brings just brings
good vibes, good energy.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Tonsil hockey is a term from like the nineties that
you don't hear much anymore. But yeah, the East Coast.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
I think it's more of an East Coast thing too, though, Yeah,
I've never I've never heard it over.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I'm gonna assume that if they hooked up, they made out,
which is playing tonsil hockey. D. I'm sure they didn't
like rush. They didn't just just go to third base,
you know, what what the w.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
What the w h double hockey sticks?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
The eight double hockey sticks.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
I don't worry.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Let's get your side now of the of the nanny
relationships starting. So you know, we've gotten bits and pieces of.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
This from her real hockey, not the fake hockey.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
She'll get slide, I'll slide all over the ice today.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about you and nanny. So
so when did this start? You know, walk us through,
because you know, she's been very upfront about kind of
you know, whether you guys were watching a movie or something,
and she.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Whatever, she was very she was very honest about how
well you know how to skate, But we haven't heard
if if you know, she knew how to skate, if
she was good at skating? Uh before anyway, sorry I
tried anyway. Uh yeah, hockey here guys, Yeah, yeah, no,

(44:40):
So what was it?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
We had a little puck, a little shoot, a little
puck here we were we had the day off, right,
so we were watching a movie and they go, oh,
we're not filming you guys. Excuse me, We're not filming
you guys today if you know you're off day? Yeah, okay, bullshit.
The fucking first thing I see in the episode is
sucking me and her laying down. So we weren't really anything.

(45:06):
We were making jokes and stuff. I'm like, you know,
we'd see each other in the morning be like, oh hey,
what's up, girlfriend, Hey boyfriend, blah bla blah. And I
think this was right after we had been partners for
the Daily Challenge. How she does and she's like, oh my,
She's like, oh my god, look at him, go like
he look at him. Climb up that little thing there,
and so well also too, she once she found out

(45:28):
that I was from Buffalo. Yeah, so that's why she
started taking like a little interest at me. And I
was like, okay, okay, So I'm just laying there, mind you.
I'm not expecting nothing. And she comes to be like, oh,
can can I lay next to you? And I was like, yeah, sure,
go ahead, go ahead, and we're watching you know, TV,

(45:50):
and she whispers in my hand. She's like a ship.
This is so funny. She goes She's like, oh, the
fuck you so bad right now. It's like I was like,
oh shit, me like no, But in the back of
my head, I'm just like, oh, oh yes, one hundred percent,
I'm down off course, you know. So I was trying to,

(46:12):
you know, play cool or whatever, and I was like, oh,
you're so funny. Huh.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
We were drinking a little bit too, and she's like,
oh my god, I'm so sorry. I was like, no, no,
you're fine, you're fine, You're fine. And then we started
talking to me. I was like, so like meet upstairs
and upstairs bathroom like ten minutes and she goes, okay.
So that's how it started. And then we went upstairs.
And see it's so funny because Cedric was clocking me

(46:39):
so good because she took off. And then ten minutes
later I left and Cedric he's watching this whole thing.
He goes, oh, Will thinks he's fucking slick, thinking, oh,
they're just going to bed. Yeah, right, so everyone downstairs
watching the movie. Still, we go upstairs, we're doing our thing,
and but Nannie is being so loud that you could

(47:01):
hear down the hallway. So some of the girls in
her room thought like someone was, you know, like moaning
their sleep or something, because Cedric came walking by the
bathroom door and he heard her and he was like,
oh my god, because did it was throughout and then
everybody was like, did you guys hear did you guys
hear those moans? Like what was going on? Like who
someone was getting it? And yeah, we held it off

(47:24):
as long as we could. But then you know, obviously
it's a small house.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
So sounds like everyone's doing a good job skating.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Hey, I was, I was over it.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Everyone's good at shooting some stink.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Did it?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Uh? Did it worry you or did you think it
was a good thing to kind of, you know, latch
yourself to one of the vets in the house. Obviously
we've seen you guys kind of you know, not choose
each other as as partners, which I think probably a
good idea at least just start and like. Other than that, though,
like what you're you're coming out of reality show. Obviously
you've seen probably even a few weeks in a few

(48:02):
episodes in the strategies a big part of it. Alliances
are part of it. People very much view say, you know,
THEO and Olivia as a unit that needs to be
taken out. Things like that are obviously you're having a
little bit of fun, but are you wondering is there
a negative game element to being as out there as
you guys are about your new uh you know ties.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I mean I think I think there comes a time
where it could be negative because then you have a
little target on your back. It's like, okay, obviously these
guys are you know, basically maybe each other's number ones,
you know. Now they're hooking up in the house, just
like a Theo and Olivia. Obviously they're dating. So it's
a little different. But for me, and here's the thing
about me, that situation is not me playing the game, Like,

(48:44):
that's not me doing this to be on her side
or you know, to save myself like that was I
was just being me and being you know, genuinely myself.
So it wasn't any tactics to it or be like, oh,
I'll hook up with Nanny because you know, I'll be
say for however long Like no, like I actually felt
in connection with her and I was like, you know what, okay,

(49:04):
like let's see, let's see what it's about. So that
was it.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
So I don't know if I don't know if you've
watched the show enough to hear this, yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Know what it is. You do it was was.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
It thrown around the house?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Was it not for me it was thrown around the
house her.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Like as if she was poladicing you or European.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I forget who you said it, but
there there was like a little there's a little argument.
I forget who it was though that said something or whatnot.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
How much do you know about because obviously you've made
it clear you didn't know any of these vets going in,
but at this point you've been in the house for
a few months or at least a few weeks. How
much had you known at that point about nannies, you know,
not just overall dating history, but immediately so did you
know that you were, like her, for lack of a
better term, at least public rebound from a very very

(49:58):
public engagement to a woman.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
So I didn't really know all that until she had
told me. Then we can because you know, we started
talking a little bit more, getting a little deeper about
things just.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
After the bathroom though bathroom then talk.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Well, no, no, So I knew about it kind of because, oh, Derek,
remember when we were getting to know each other, Like
the second day, we're all outside by the pool and stuff.
So I was kind of like listening in and you know,
she was telling her story, like, oh, like I had
just went through this big breakup earlier in the year,
you know, so like I knew about it, but I
wasn't really like constantly thinking about it. I guess if

(50:36):
that makes sense, you know, during you know, all of
our little shindigs, Well.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I only mentioned it's not just a relationship, it's like
a very because there's two different types of relationships, right, Like,
obviously there's people who date just I guess you would
call them civilians who aren't on the show, where yeah,
you can stalk them on Instagram, But for the most part,
the fans only care so much about those kind of relationships.
Their relationship start on the show permeated through a few

(51:02):
seasons of the show Casey's a champion of the show.
Vileage varied on how much people liked their relationship. Was
rooting for their relationship, but it was very public and
forward facing, to the point where the last season NINEY
was on that was still airing. By the time you
guys went to film this, she was still talking about
wanting to win the money to use for a wedding,
and this and that and the other thing. They would
go to Disney World together. The whole nine and then

(51:24):
you are officially like on television to about you know,
four hundred thousand people the sign that like, oh, okay, I
guess that's done. You know what I mean, that's what
you For a lot of people, that's what you are.
So it's a little different from just like you said,
like the relationship you were in when they dmd you

(51:46):
to come on, Are you the one? You know? It's
a very you know, this is like you're you're basically
Angelina Joe Lee, you know, and and they're Brad Pitt
and Jennifer Aniston. You could pick who Brad Pitt is
in that analogy, but you know, for lack of a
better love trying analogy. So I'm just wondering, like, did
you feel any of the gravity of that in the
moment when you were doing this? I know, since then, obviously,

(52:07):
especially recently, it's kind of, you know, made its way
into the public consciousness as far as the timing of
everything and whatnot and who finds out when and stuff.
But either way, at the time, were you just thinking, Oh,
I'm having fun with another girl on the show, or
did you realize, oh, this is gonna be a big
deal to a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
So I really, I mean, I really wasn't thinking it
was a big deal to people, probably because I wasn't
the one who was in the spotlight for having just
broken up with someone that I was engaged. They were engaged, right, okay.
So so coming from my perspective, it's not me who
is going to be in that spotlight. I guess, you know,

(52:44):
because I didn't really know every detail of, you know,
what's happened. I just knew that, you know, she had
been engaged and you know, everything else. But from what
I understood is that it was over and it had
been you know, a while now. So I was like, okay, well, hey,
if this is you know, okay for you, Okay, well

(53:07):
you know, I don't see that myself being in the wrong,
you know, if you're not together and talking and anything else.
So you know, I just kind of just kind of
went off of it like that. I guess is it.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Safe to say since now we know Will's like Canadian
ties that they're like, uh, this season's challenge justin Trudeau.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
And bro don't get me started.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Oh my god, are you man?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Trudeau is a piece of work.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Well, I'll tell you I saw them in the news
the other day.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
They're honestly what honestly though? What a for a political figure?

Speaker 1 (53:49):
My guy?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Wow, how does that? How does one? How does one
acchoire such riz is what the kids are calling it nowadays.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
I think she went to the moon. I think she
went to the moon.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Like to go and guess what, everybody's going to the moon.
I have to go here. It's too tempting, just like
Katie Perry, Nanny kissed a girl and she liked it.
That is a song of her.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
But it's funny.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, I forget if it was in take one or
two because for those of you guys watching and listening,
we we had a camera issue, so we start over.
But one of the first times early on we were
talking about are You the One? Season nine and why
you thought it kind of failed? You said that the
season before you was the sexually fluid season, and that
you thought it was that that one was, you know,
way wild and crazier and more interesting than yours. That

(54:33):
just bring a bunch of straight people back in the
fold wall. In a roundabout way, you kind of wound
up on sexually Fluid? Are You the One? Season ten?
In a roundabout way, if you think.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
About it, I mean, yeah, if you want to like
spin it that way, like to A to a Yeah,
two cents, I guess.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah. And and the fact that you guys are both
from Buffalo. I mean it was just meant to I think.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I think that's the thing that that really stood out.
First She's like, wait, Buffalo, and then you know, we
just started talking.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I don't know, muff in the buff all right?

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Are we are we at the segment yet where we're
gonna have uh will.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Get hated on some more for not liking Olivia.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh, let's talk about it.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
He's had he's had all of the ebbs and flows
this season. I think he was like winning at the
I don't know, you're like.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Winning up and it's amazus. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Derek go to a question we got in from Challenge
maniac dot Comms from Stephanie. Stephanie says, uh, well, I
want to know your feelings looking back now, the way
you talked all this crap about Olivia there and knowing
now that she's pregnant, which you guys apparently didn't know
at the time.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
The fucking question, Stephanie, such a great question.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
So We're just gonna clear it up now because I'm
getting ship sticks fucking everywhere the past week. Oh Will
is a narcissist. He talks so much shit, he's so agro.
It's like, first off, Okay, here's what I'm gonna say.
She didn't know she was pregnant until maybe the last
two full weeks of filming. Okay, I was still there,

(56:10):
but she didn't even know that she was. She just
had missed her period, so no one knew what was
going on. And if you go and take a test,
I'm pretty sure they'd be like, Okay, well you can't
be here you're pregnant. So but if she is pregnant
and she knows she didn't tell me about it, I
don't feel sorry because technically she's not pregnant while we're

(56:32):
doing all these challenges and I'm not an asshole, and
you can say whatever you wane. I don't care about
the edits like you guys know, you know. And so
it's just like the thing about us working together is
I'm not blaming her because we both you know. It's
a team thing. But it's like if you talk all
of this, you know, talk and now we're together and

(56:55):
it's kind of an underperformance for me. I'm just thinking,
like like in the last episode, I was talking to
Cedric and I'm like, dude, this is I don't know
where the old Olivia is. But if she is pregnant
and knows, she's not telling me, you know, she's not
coming to me like hey, obviously I would have been like,
oh shit, well okay, well now we have to you know,
realize something. And it's like and then someone what was

(57:16):
it someone was saying something about, oh, you know, you're
talking all this shit about Olivia carrying the bails of Hey,
and it's like, no, I'm not talking shit. And it's
not me really being mad at her. It's being mad
in general at the situation of Okay, me and you
should be the like the top team in the house.
We should. We should have won the Hey Babe, the

(57:37):
Hay Challenge. We didn't. We got almost last. So that's
why I'm frustrated, because I know myself and you don't
want to be getting near the end of the packture.
Maybe a strategic standpoint to be okay, but no, there
was just like some things where I'm just like, you
know what, I know you can be better than what
you're being right now, And it's.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Just, you know, I think I don't know that Stephanie
or people well maybe actually let me let me rephrase.
There's probably some people online who who mean it where
they think that, oh, couldn't you tell whatever? My point
is that I think Stephanie's wondering now that you know,
or when you found out she was pregnant, did that
make you look at her performance or lack there off
a little differently and even see her through a lens

(58:18):
of oh wow? For you know, honestly, maybe she was
holding us back a little bit, but for even doing
as well as she did is impressive given that she
was pregnant. Now that you know, is there a bit
of like going back and not necessarily feeling like you
shouldn't have been hard on her because of that because
there was no way of you to right. But now
that you do know, does it kind of reframe her
performance and make it more impressive than I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I don't think I'm going to change my perspective on it, honestly,
because I'm not going to apologize for being myself and
you know, just calling it how I see it. Maybe
now if she was pregnant and new, I'd be like, okay,
well I get that. Honestly, I don't know how pregnancy works.
I don't know how you would feel just being two
weeks pregnant. I have maybe I feel like nothing would

(59:02):
really stand out.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
For some people. It's the work. For some people, the
beginnings like the worst time.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
You know sometimes if it's a boy, it's a girl,
it's different. Obviously, if you don't know, you're just all
feeling weird, et cetera. And then, as you said, because
I don't know if you know this well, but because
there's a long history of people being pregnant on the
challenge and either not not realizing it at all or
realizing it while they're there and being sent home. There's
people who have competed in finals. Uh, there's people who

(59:32):
have been you know, found out week two.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Uh they're not not like lots of people are. There's
probably like fools, right, and Jesus, it's a.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Lot of people.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
So it's a decent number.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Sure. I mean we're talking about I guess.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
To get pregnant, to get pregnant on a show, though, you.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Know, because well so some people I guess could get
pregnant on the show. Maybe that's what happened. I think
they've done the math and figured out that's what happened
to them. But these other folks, these other folks, a
lot of them, when they got home went to a
doctor and did the math, were pregnant going in. They
just didn't catch it on the way in. You know,
amberbe finds out she's pregnant on the Global Challenge Natalie

(01:00:09):
Anderson send.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Home, see Natalie. But also, if you are, I'm your
partner that you should be rocking with and you want
to win with, which is how I'm feeling, why don't
you say something? Because I mean I get, I get,
I get, and why as to you should so I

(01:00:32):
get both sides obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Especially I mean they're like, I don't want to out
this if it's maybe a lot of people are talking
about but I heard rumors that there were people in
the house. Let's not say who. I heard there's people
who were kind of sniffing it out and thinking maybe
she because maybe she was saying, oh I feel this,
I feel that, and that there were people there who
were going, you should take a pregnancy test or you
might be pregnant, and she's like, you know, shut up,

(01:00:55):
jan because like you know, basically, she doesn't want to
in the event that she is, she either wants another week,
she wants two weeks. She wants the ability to be
able to cut her season off when she wants, not
when the powers if you want. And so if that's
out here, they're in the ether at all. I'm not
even telling my partner because let's say you just say
the wrong thing in an interview, they throw that, you know,
p test under her, she's going bye bye, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Exactly especially from her last season too, I mean, you know,
getting broken nose. So I mean, I guess, honestly, if
I would, I guess I would feel the same way,
being like, fuck man, I just got screwed in the
last season, got screwed in the last season, so now
I'm coming back for vengeance, so I can see that

(01:01:38):
in a way, it's just I don't know, you know,
I just feel like, I don't know, I feel like
we should have been better because I know she's, you know,
a great competitor. I mean I was watching her the
whole season and then it just kind of like, I
don't know, it just was shifting maybe if maybe because
we didn't work well together, or maybe because we were
on opposite side of the house. You know, I don't

(01:01:59):
really know what it was, but I guess looking back now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
The opposite sides thing because D and I break down
this episode of these seasons, this whole season every week,
and I'm sitting here going, you know, they keep going
obviously for THEO and Adrian here, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
That's keeping us safe, though, that's keeping us safe because
I guarantee you if THEO and Adrian would have won,
me and Olivia would have been yet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I defense, I go, I go at some point, anyone,
I don't believe that, but I know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Mean it could be. It could be fifty to fifty though,
because honestly, you could go for maybe Turbo and Sydney too,
because a lot of us were like hmm, but then
some of us were like, oh yeah, me and Aviv.
So I mean it's kind of you know, it's like
fifty to fifty. But I mean, you can't. You can't
hold me there forever just because I'm on your guys side,
Like no, like, you know, people really weren't messing with Olivia.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
So it's like, but I think Derek's been crediting you
and your relationships with the Nanni side of the house
for why they haven't gone and know exactly take no offense.
I go, why didn't they wake up one day and go,
you know, Olivia Will don't seem to be working well together.
Olivia seems kind of sluggish. Maybe we go for them
instead of THEO who's taken everybody out left and right. Yeah,
Turbo and Sydney who feel like you know, military parents, like,

(01:03:15):
why don't we go for them? And Derek's always like
his counter argument has always been because of Will's relationship
with Nannie and that side of the house. So I
wonder because like it seems to me they're telling the
story of you guys butting heads. Obviously Olivia not, and
to her own honestly, a lot of it's been her
own testimony saying, hey, I can't with that. Hey I'm
feeling sluggish. And so I've wondered why that seems like

(01:03:37):
to take out that side. THEO and Adrian are the
easy vote because they keep going in time and time again,
they keep coming back. You guys feel like more ripe
for the taking, and they never go that route and
I feel like that's because of you and Nannie and you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
And honestly, honestly, it was the strategic move from Olivia too.
I mean, picking me because she knew I had strong
connections on the other side and that she's gonna be safe.
So honestly, thus far she's safe because of me.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
So I was gonna I was gonna say, does do
you feel safe? Because from the out and outsider looking in,
you guys look really safe. It's almost like, I know
you won't know this, but maybe our listeners will. It
almost feels like the whole uh uh Danny McCrae and
Tory deal partnership from from global where one side was

(01:04:26):
completely safe, that Tory was completely safe, the other side,
uh Danny was completely safe. It just feels like that's
where you guys are in And I guess the other
question is we'll get into like how difficult this is
because you're really unhappy with the partnership because of just
living on opposite sides, having these people on this side

(01:04:47):
of the house saying how much they dislike her, and
then you just kind of being like, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
You it's perfect, it's perfect, but miss this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Does it feel like to you that THEO and Adrian
are your number ones, just like THEO and Adrian are
Olivia's number one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Like do you feel like you you are.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Just like do you have to look out for them
just as much as you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Need to look out for each other.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I mean, I didn't tell you about this, but I
told Olivia. I was like, look, I know, Theo's obviously
your number one. You know I have this one I go.
But there's gonna be times where if you wanna work
with this side and stay safe, you're gonna have to
kind of slowly back away from being THEO THEO THEO

(01:05:40):
THEO I go. Because it was like, if we want
to get to that final, you know, you got to
be rocking with what I'm bringing to save us, which
we had way more numbers anyway than they did. So
because there was this one time where I think I
could have we could have said who was it they're

(01:06:00):
in they're in the deliberation or whatever, to like not
say THEO or something like that, and I was like, now,
I was like, I'm just gonna we're just gonna burn
a vote. So She's like, all right, yeah, I forget.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
I forget what one was though, so it's so and
just to just to help people out. So there is
about only two weeks or so left of this show,
right like like there's there's there's two teams getting eliminated
every week, and at this point, yeah, there's eight teams.
Next episode there will be seven teams left.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
So next episode meaning.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Like Wednesday, this went tomorrow, Yeah, tomorrow, there will be
seven seven teams left. So in real time, there's there's
like two weeks in the final so it's like two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
And a half weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
So when you said, hey, you know, uh, Olivia knew
that she was pregnant with about two weeks left, we're
there right now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
So what so no, so not really not really like
right here, I mean like the two full weeks left of.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Actual around right around, So it's not it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Not it's not yet because they're still more because they
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Let's say here, let's just say let's just say we're here.
Let's just say we're here. Okay, sure, like do you
think that, Like she's obviously going to keep it a secret,
but but like it had had said magically she was like, hey,
I'm pregnant and you're my partner, and now you have

(01:07:33):
to care about her and her baby.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Are you like, listen, no, you know what, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Really want to No, No, I'm not like you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Need to go, we need to switch, you need to
leave the show. Or are you like all right now,
I gotta fucking really act like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I think that's that's just like a different like what
you No, No, here's the thing for me. For me,
I'm I'm a very sympathetic guy. Right now. It doesn't
seem like I am, but I but I really, I
really am. And if she did come up to me
and talk to me and be like, hey, look like
between us, like partner to partner, this is what's going on.

(01:08:12):
You know, this is why I'm feeling this way, and
I would have been like, oh, dude, fuck, like you
should have told me this, like I'm your partner. And
then again I get why you wouldn't you know, blah
blah blah. But I can keep things very you know,
to myself. So I feel like it would have been
if she did be like, hey, look, and I'd be like,
you know what, Okay, fuck it, this is what we're

(01:08:33):
gonna do. We're gonna rock together. I'll because you know,
for me, when I'm competing, and this is a thing
that a lot of people will see too. They're like, litill,
such an asshole, But it's like when I compete. And also,
this is the big league. Now you're on the challenge. Okay,
this isn't you know, you get a freaking honorary, you know,
medal because you're here, like you're trying to win a

(01:08:53):
quarter of a million dollars. So for me, if I'm
yelling and blah blah blah, it's not yelling at Okay, So,
like example, grown up with sports, when you get yelled at,
it's not to belittle you or but it's corrective criticism
and it might be a little harsh, but it's not
the end of the world. It's not me not not
liking you, Like, guess what you're so my partner, and

(01:09:13):
then after I go through my emotions, hey we're still
locked in. Hey we did all right, you know, blah
blah blah. So but if she would have maybe you know,
come up to me and told me about it, for sure,
I've been like, Okay, well shit, now we have to
change the game plan a little bit, because this is
why you know, XYZ is happening and you know, so
on and so forth. So I'm a very sympathetic guy.
I would have been totally okay with that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
So let me ask you a strategy question. So, okay,
we're getting down to the needy greedy here. As we said,
about eight teams left, we got a figure is probably
gonna be four. So going to a final, you guys
are kind of split as far as you know, on
Olivia's Alliance side, it would be you guys, THEO and Adrian,
Anissa and Jake maybe uh and then you know, maybe
we'll say Sydney and uh. We put Sidney in turbo

(01:09:57):
kind of in the middle here. And then on the
other side you've got uh, Mikayla and Cedric, You've got
you know, Nanni and Justin, and then you've got uh yeah,
and well then the other the other Powerhouse team, which
is Jeremy and Jeremy where.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I don't know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Would just say for you guys, for me, I'm wondering,
who would you rather go to the end with. Because
we've seen people, whether they're telling the truth or not,
Jeremy and Cedric saying they want to go to the
end together, people saying they want to go to the
end with the Kayla And it's almost like people value
whether it's alliances or relationships, getting to the end with what,
in my opinion, are tough for teams than setting themselves

(01:10:36):
up in a position to win. You guys know, or
at least you know, you and Olivia aren't necessarily at
your fighting best. Are you kind of picking and choosing
who from what alliance you want to be at the
end because you think, hey, maybe we have a better
shot against whether it's Jake and Anissa or Nannie and Justin,
or you know, whether it's Ashley Leo than say Jeremy
and Aviv or or these other teams that might be
at the top of the power rankings.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Honestly, not really, because I would say most of this season,
that's not how the game was being played by anybody
or any teams. Like I know, like most of the
time you guys say you're like, oh, you want to
put teams to the to the end that you can
just dominate on. That's not what was happening this season
at all. Like I remember, like THEO one time he

(01:11:17):
stood up and he was like, uh oh because he
voted for Jeremie, because Jearimy was just like, you know,
destroying like the first mountain we did and everything. So
they're like, oh, no, one's taking shots at like these
people that are fucking, you know, outperforming everyone. So I
don't we weren't never really thinking that. I had just
in my head that I was like, man, I'm like,

(01:11:38):
you know, I'd really like to go with Cedric, Justin
and Nannie and then Turbohead come up to me too,
but you didn't see it in there in any episodes,
and he was like, he's like brother, He's like, my brother,
I won't see you in the final my baa da.
But he said that to Cedric and Jearemi too, and
then the only one that they show on the last

(01:12:01):
episode or two episodes ago was him saying it to Cedric.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
And year me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
So I'm like, oh, what the like what so I
you know, I we didn't really weren't thinking about that.
We were just thinking of getting to the final basically.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
So you guys were you You were basically the fourth team.
And it does look, to be honest with you, the
whole like military alliance, you know, like we're seeing I
am kind of like watching from the beginning, it looks
he does feel like a COVID operation, you know, but
you know, it's it makes sense right if you can
do it, if you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
And we're rooming together, so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
So it's hard not to do.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
But but like just last episode you have, it's you
and Cedric uh outside talking and Mikayla is like, yo
of even jearing me gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
So that made me think, like, all right, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
So well, because we were really working directly with Jeremy though,
so because Jeami was also on the side of everyone
who didn't like me that didn't care if I got out,
like d Sydney who else, Me and Lucky were cool.
But you know, I guess you could just say Jane
and the Tarzan alliance. But me and Army weren't really

(01:13:18):
working together together, so it was kind of like and
we knew that. We knew that though, so it was
a little but then again, we didn't really need to
not work if that makes sense. We weren't working together,
but we're not not working together, if that makes sense.
Real quick, We're kind of just cool.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
As we start to wind down here, i'd be regressed
if I didn't ask about some of your recent crashouts
as the kids say on social media some of these
sort of tweet comment rampages you've gone on about, whether
it's Olivia Theo whomever. So we walk me through, where
where are you when you're doing these? Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Other people?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Not because they're gone, they're gone now. They're not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Yeah, they're gone now, but but not before Reddit goes
and finds them and they don't end up in our dropbox.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
D Here's here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Where are you at when you're doing these? That's why
are you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Honestly, no, dude, not even It is so easy to
get people to freak out online. It is so so easy.
And me over here, I'm just seeing all the comments
about me and I'm just like, you know, I have
to laugh because I'm like, man, okay, that's not me,
Like I get it from the show. But dude, I'll
be laying in my bed.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
And I'll be like, oh, that's what you've been there
and they get It's so easy to get people so
upset because they think like it's I'm being real, but
in reality, I'm just like, you know, I'm just hey,
get the algorithm going for me?

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Well, it's easy to you know, it's interesting you say that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Obviously, obviously this is your first glimpse at the Challenge
in general, but it's certainly your first glimpse at the
Challenge fan base, which is a very interesting fan base
because it is very, at least on a one way street,
very particip very participatory. They feel like they're a part
of it. And and so, for instance, you can put
out a cryptic comment like I'm gonna ruin somebody and

(01:15:09):
then delete it, and then whether that's all you do
or not, someone's taking that, screenshotting it, making a Reddit thread.
We're now the red. People are now theorizing the worst
things in the world about people, and it really does like,
at least for a couple of days, can really ruin
someone's life, or at least they're psyching, Right, that's kind
of a thing that I'm sure you weren't used to

(01:15:29):
from either are you the one or certainly working in Windows.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely, yeah, it's definitely a lot more.
And like I said, I don't take it to heart.
You know, they're gonna say what they want, and especially
if they're fans of you know whoever, like example of
me and Olivia right now, So obviously there's people who
love Olivia and I'm just you know, brand new, So
I get it they're gonna be like, oh, well, such
an asshole, like how could he do that to herrible?

(01:15:53):
And I totally get it, totally warranted. But you know,
at the end of the day, I know myself and
I know, like I can under people's skin here and
there that are true fans, And honestly, right now, I'm
the villain. I am the like Olivia's villain or whatever
it is right now. So you know what, I might
as well talk it up a little, you know, I
might as well go with it. You know, It's all

(01:16:14):
good at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
You know. Well that leads to my next question. It's
so villain being a villain obviously, it's a role that
you know, every show needs. You know, job security on
this show can be a fickle thing because, especially coming
after a season where they inject sixteen new faces onto
the show, you obviously all can't come back next season
or at all. So are you trying to ride this wave?

(01:16:37):
Maybe are some of the crash out comments and this
and that or what you say at the reunion or
whatever is part of that? Again, maybe hoping to make
the most of your one season here and make sure
that they do call you back for future seasons. It
is as a villain, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Honestly, I'm not even thinking about that. I feel like
I did or I have been doing what I need
to do to get a callback, and I'm just being me.
Like I said, I don't need to pretend to be
someone that I'm not. And I know there's so many
people who do because they want to be like, oh, well,
I need to get that callback or and it's like
it's just it's just not real and I can't. I

(01:17:12):
can't really do that, you know, And like the social
media stuff, I'm not even thinking about like, oh are
they going to see this so I can get a callback?
Like I need that, you know. That's it's just not me.
So I think me just being myself should be hopefully
is uh is good enough for you know, getting a
callback for next season.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Last few things and then I'll let de wrap it up.
So you know, I mentioned being yourself. Obviously, there's been
an ongoing meme and joke that we've participated in as well,
the idea of you and Jake either being the same
person or people not realizing who is Uh, why did
you guys become aware of that? Was it just sort
of legitimately at the beginning of the season, people getting
you guys confused. Was there any talk about this in

(01:17:52):
the house and were you surprised that people at least
in a funny way but sometimes unintentionally work and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Honestly, yeah, yeah, no, no, so it started. Honestly, that's
a great compliment for him being called Will. I mean,
that's a ten out of ten compliment to be honest,
what a swell guy. Now. Fucking TJ at the very
first day kept confusing us and apparently I'm also apparently
I also, uh, Gabe looks like me because Ashley called

(01:18:20):
Gabe Will. But yeah, no, TJ kept getting us confused
every every time we would talk or every time that
we would go to you know, the deliberation or whatever.
So it's kind of then we just started, you know,
joking around about it. But I didn't I didn't see
it recently until Uh, I didn't see it until recently
on Twitter about joking around and everything. I saw Wes's

(01:18:42):
posts on Twitter and it was like, all, under, if
this fucking Jake guy doesn't or this will guy you know,
doesn't stop talking shit, I'm have to retire. And it's
a picture of Jake and yah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
But I do think there were actually a couple legitimate
and if they were trying, God bless them. There were
some legitimate Like someone would post on Twitter like a
picture of you and it would be saying something about
Jake or vice versa. And then it became kind of oh,
some people are getting this confused. Now we're gonna make
a think of it. Like when I put up the
questions threat for this podcast, I put the picture of you.

(01:19:14):
I said, send in your questions for Jake. And of
course you know, uh so either way though you are,
you're flattered by it, or you you think that at
least I mean it's something that he.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Should be flattered by. Yeah, right, that's why. No, I
think it's funny. I think it's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
This is the last question for Challenge Maniacs dot com.
Now this is for both of you. I guess Brian
wants to know. And I'm gonna take Brian's word for
this because I don't remember this per se. He said,
why were you whispering to Derek in the kitchen while
miked up about previously hooking up with Dan injuring your hand.
By the way, how busted up was the hand on
a scale of one content, So I guess Brian seems
to think you were kind of attempting, maybe to hide

(01:19:49):
some of what you were talking about. You're whispering, Is
that true? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
I don't, I don't. I really don't remember. I do
remember I was talking in the kitchen, but I think
Derek maybe I told you all what maybe telling you
that I was hooking up with d I think I
think I think that's what exactly happened, because people were wondering.
People thought I was crazy because it's like, dude, you
just met this girl, like what the fuck is going
on here? And didn't tell anybody though about us hooking up,

(01:20:15):
so no one knew. So then the next day I
had to tell everybody like, look this is and they're like, oh, okay, okay,
because I mean that would be like psychopath behavior, getting
that mad about someone you just met two days ago,
but nothing happened. So I'm pretty sure that's what I whispered.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Do you remember where?

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
I think so, I think it was just I don't remember.
I think I was like, what is this. I asked, like,
what is this about?

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Was it about girl?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
And yeah, yeah, I don't know how bad?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Yeah, how bad was the hand? Did you have to
hide it like a pregnancy?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
They they were, No, it wasn't broke. It wasn't like
nothing like I could still move it, solid, solid, solid fist.
But it was swollen. Yeah, it was probably it was
probably like up here swollen, so probably about like this much.
And uh probably for like, I don't know, three days
and they got it. It happened on the weekend, so

(01:21:12):
I had a couple of days to you know, kind
of recover, but tilan on and ice, you know, twenty
four to seven until we had the challenge. And then
by the time the challenge came, it was still sore
because I think we were doing a climbing one or
something like that and or I forget what it was.
But yeah, I was still a little bit sore. But
one to ten probably ten, probably ten for the first

(01:21:33):
couple of days for sure, I.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Thought definitely something was broken.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
But I guess, I mean, you bounce back, hey, listen, man,
you gotta take you know, my man bounces back the
last two like kind of game questions, is it feels
like Cedric and the way I'm seeing it now, actually
it's like it's like year Me and Turbo, Yeah, and
are kind of I feel like they're really close hear me,

(01:22:01):
Turbo Sydney.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
So byproxy they pull Aviv and and Aviv's is because
the way she is, she's kind of playing the whole
field right and just how she is naturally. And then
you have Mikayla being like to you and Cedric hey, Aviv,
Aviv and jear me have to know. But at the
same time, you know, you've seen how Mikayla and this

(01:22:27):
Olivia Olivia and Mikayla dynamic is happening. I mean, are
you feeling like, do you feel that Mikayla is like
coming after you two? And in some ways at some
point like what's how's that dynamic work for?

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Like you and Cedric playing the game?

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
You know, I think from watching last week's episode because
MICHAELA was getting asked questions about that and I said
something about, oh, trying to get Turbo and Sydney out too,
because we were talking in the balcony, remember, and then
Michael's like, yeah, yeah or that, and then we went
back to Jumie and Aviv and Michaela went into the

(01:23:09):
confessional or whatever, and she's like, it's good for my
game to keep them around, because she goes, I can't
say Will's name, but Sidney and Turbo can say Will's name.
So I think, I mean, obviously, you know, there's gonna
become times where things are gonna shake up where you
have to, you know, possibly say someone's name. So I
don't think it was directly she wasn't coming for us.

(01:23:30):
I don't think directly, but maybe possibly, you know, in
a game sense, you could kind of swindle around be like, well, hey,
you know, it's not so I mean honestly though, you know,
to see you know, the way I compete and everything.
I mean, I don't know. I feel like I'm a
force to be reckoned with it. I feel like a
lot of people wouldn't want to, you know, go against me.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
So I still think that if they managed to get
THEO and Adrian out, they will then go after Jake
and Anissa, and then you guys will be kind of
the last option is I think the way the way
they say, even though they're kind of like still looking

(01:24:11):
at each other, like maybe that one's next, that one's
gotta go, but before we get there, which could eventually
bite MICHAELA and the ass kind of speaking so openly,
you know, but but uh, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
That's I feel that that's how it looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
And then last question, uh, the the last episode, Olivia,
they're talking about Steak and the claim. You're talking about
maybe steaking a claim on somebody and Olivia potentially doing
the same, and she says, maybe Leo. Now if she
comes out and say beats Ashley, steak's a claim for Leo,

(01:24:49):
beats Ashley comes back and now she's partnered with Leo.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Then then that her alliance is a little bit more like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
It would have made sense. What it makes sense? I
mean I don't I don't think so. I mean, I
wouldn't you go ahead? Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Then you're partnered with Ashley, right, so that then that's team.
How would you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
You know, like, is that something that you would be interested?
You would you be good with that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Because I mean I think, I mean, me and Ashley
worked well together, like we're we're uh and we're really
cool together. But I think for Olivia's game, I don't
think that would make you know, much sense if you
do that, because you are so safe with me right now,
because Leo Leo doesn't have the poll that I mean,
you know, technically speaking, the poll that I have on

(01:25:36):
my side to keep you safe. And I think if
Ashley got done dirty like that by Olivia and you know,
somehow it happens and we're still alive, we're going right
back for them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
Yeah, I mean that would that would basically take Olivia's
like super safety net, because right now THEO Adrian her
safety net. Then she has basically Anissa and Jake is
kind of what it looks like if the alliance together.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
As long as they can, and that would pull you out.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
But my question too is are you thinking about staking
a claim because of this, this this dynamic with you
and her?

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
And if so, who would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
You see her?

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
No, you see the only.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Reason the only reason I'm not thinking about it though,
is because it doesn't really do anything for me per se,
because say I go, it's like okay, and I lose. Well,
fuck now I'm going right into elimination, which is stupid.
And we're not doing we're not doing like terrible, terrible,

(01:26:40):
like I know, we can still you know, put up
a fight. So it doesn't make sense for me to
go steak on someone and then also lose kind of
that side of the house of like you know, THEO
and Adriana, because THEO and Adriana is a big one.
THEO is never gonna say Olivia's name or you know,
anything like that, and then you got a Nissa with
her as well. So for me, I'm trying to you know,
outweigh the positive and it is and I'm just like,

(01:27:01):
you know, it doesn't It just doesn't make sense for
me to do that, Like sir, some people would want
me to steak maybe to not be you know, with Olivia,
but I can't play people's games. You can't, you know,
put your fate into someone else's hands.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
So and despite like how maybe underperforming you feel like
you guys are doing as a team, do you still
see her at like see her as like the the
positive qualities of her in this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Game, dude? Of course one, d Olivia is a great
She's a great person, great competitor, dude, and I know
what she's capable of. It's just we're working out the kinks.
We're trying to, you know, find that sweet spot for
us to uh to rally on. So I think, yeah,
I think that's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
All right. Yeah, well that's how I got a lot
of season left to play here, will sir? You got
you got anything to plug? Where do you want people
to find you on social media and other things?

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Well, if you haven't you know seen it yet, it's
at Jake Cornish. No, no, just my just my Instagram,
I guess is will gag and zero And I mean
I don't really I'm not really on Twitter very much.
So you know us about it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
So you know, we mentioned you're not necessarily trying to
get that call back, but let's say that call does
com Weather season forty two, forty three, forty four. Is
this an experience that you want to relive and do again?

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
I'll be back.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Awesome, love it. I'll be back. Love that. Thanks for
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Well appreciate it, all right, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
All right, guys, this sends your time here on Challenge Media.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Take care of yourselves and hopefully you'll see how the future.

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