Survivor Mania Episode 4: Swap Time!

Scott and Lindsay break down Episode 4 of Survivor 49!

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
What's up? Everybody Happy? Monday, October twenty. It's Scott Lindsay
here to break down episode four of Survivor season forty nine.
We have tribe swapped, we have two tribes. We are
onward and upward with the game, Lindsay, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Here we go, We're at two tribes. Finally, now the
game can begin.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, were you scared that they were gonna do some
like weird three tribe nonsense?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Or I'm always scared of Jeff.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
You're scared of Jeff making the wrong decision for the.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
No, he's the best in of this. But I yes,
I am always scared that they'll do something crazy and
divide things up again in a way that's not helpful
to watch people play the game. But this is much better.
Although it's just like my heart just goes out when

(01:05):
there's so much randomness and play like this, Like that
the first person voted out after a tribe swap before
they have too much time to do very much here.
It sucks. It's gotta suck, don't you.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Think, Well, I mean, look, I mean this is gonna
happen if you have two teams that are just like
fully intact, right, if I had to choose, if it
was going to happen, I'd rather it happen to someone
from those tribes rather than like, you know, one of
our remaining two blue people.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Of course, but you watch this Hina tribe right like,
play this game for the beginning part of the of
the season, and they're on top of the world. They're
doing everything right, and just like there's no like they
just got like Matt and Jason just got super unlucky,

(01:59):
and we're the two people that ended up in the minority,
even though they had one challenges and worked hard to
be in the majority in general, when when merge time
comes and there's there's you know, there's a little bit
of wiggle room here, there's some things you can do,
but at the end of the day, you know, it
comes down to pure luck here. And so yeah, it

(02:20):
ended up being Matt first, Jason who goes home, and
you know, uh so they played they played it out
in that way, but it just it to me, that's
like that's really got to stuck. No matter how well
you played the game for the first part of the game,
it means nothing if you're swapped into a minority here,

(02:41):
especially because the Hena tribe has been doing so well,
and there was there, you know, there's one tribe that
was decimated. So like going into whenever merge happens, it's
looking like it's gonna be, you know, an all out
battle between the the Uli and Thehena tribe. And so like,
you gotta you gotta think about that when it comes

(03:03):
to numbers.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, I mean you call it luck, but I think
there was a little bit of foreshadowing here. I don't
know if you remember, but when the uh, the fully
intact Yellow tribe arrived at what they presumed was going
to be another challenge, they were chanting their own name
and uh it was mentioned as mentioned as being cringed
by some of the gen Z cast members.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
And so either chant your name.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
When you're coming into a challenge with a tribe that
was fully decimated and there's two people left, Like, regardless
of how you feel about your tribe, you've gotta be
a little bit considered here.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'll admit my the the amount that I am annoyed
by like a and I don't think this was a
prime example of this, but when someone gets just like
completely you know, math swap screwed, right and they're put
in a position where they're you know, they really had
no choice to you know, there's no there was no
overcoming the four to two math or whatever. I feel

(04:06):
like I'm more annoyed by it if we end up
losing a player who I thought had a chance at
winning or I considered to be one of the more
interesting people. I did not really find Matt nor Jason
at this point to be that, like, Matt has kind
of a cool look.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Because we haven't seen them go to tribal council, so
we don't really understand where things lie right like we'd
I don't know, like I thought Matt was doing a
great job of you know, uh being someone who was
helpful at camp and not like you know, being but
not being too bossy and you know, fitting in as
best as he could and being strong, although like he

(04:41):
wasn't his best challenge this episode. But I you know,
I I don't know. We didn't see we didn't see
them play. We barely saw them play, so it's hard
to say, like could they have won the game or not?

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Right, I don't know, someone's got to go out forth
and they both felt like, you know, pretty decent options
to do so I'm in I'm not in with that
yellow tribe really at all, you know, so, but I
would say, like, among the six of them, I considered
them to be fairly expendable, at least from from where
I sit. So uh, And we got to see a

(05:13):
little bit of them each scrambling right, and you got
to see Matt, you know, kind of attempting to make
a bond there, trying to name his alliance.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
It's it's funny most of the time. I mean, this
was a good example of showing us that, even though
it didn't work. But I'd imagine there's like a graveyard
of you know, alliance names that never took on seasons
because you only hear about the ones that obviously like
take shape and then like, you know, yeah, come like
the But I wonder how many like valiant efforts there
are to like bond with someone by being like, you know, hey,

(05:44):
you know, when there's a squadron of you know, planes
in the Air Force, they call it a section, so
we should call this.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Wasn't that nixt strategy on his season? He you know,
he played that he like tried to name as many
alliances as he could.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
I think that was he had one. He had one
where they like did an air guitar. I believe right
after they said whatever their name was, I forget what
it was. Right there was like a.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Good I think that was part Like I think he
explained in conventionals that that was part of the story.
Was that. I mean, part of his strategy was that
he wanted people to feel like close and trusting, and
he thought part of the way to do that was
to name an alliance, name every relationship an alliance.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Now, I didn't listen to any interviews with Matt, so
I don't know if he was like felt like he
had done enough for that that that you know, that
bond was mutually.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
You know whatever you would say.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
But but that being said, I did feel a little
bit bad. I felt like kind of bad for him
when it cut to Juan's interviews and he was just
like completely like laughing at him. That did feel a
little like a g I don't know, I didn't love that.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Do you think jump ship here? No?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
No, absolutely, I mean you kind of.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I mean, in this instance, if you get the luck
of the draw, I guess the luck of the four
to two draw, and then the unluck of the losing,
although I did hear and read I think this would
be completely overthinking things, but that technically, like the Yellow tribe,
if they really wanted to stick together for the long game,

(07:22):
could have thrown the challenge knowing that if they went
they had I'm talking about that the Yellow tribe before
could have thrown it knowing they'd still have the numbers,
they could get rid of a red person, and then
the tribe with the two yellows wouldn't even have to
go to tribe.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
To me, that's overthinking it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I don't know. I had not thought about this, and
you are making me think here it doesn't sound terrible.
I mean also, like, what a great thing to put
on your resume here for a final tribal council. This
is your idea and this works out right like that.
It's just not a move that we see very often
in survivors, So I feel like it would definitely stand

(08:05):
out on a survivor final tribal council resume. And I
don't think it's about because they really were, like you know,
it did seem of the tribes that I have seen
talk about going to the merge and staying strong all
these seasons, like more than more so than most. Wouldn't
you agree that this tribe did seem like good vibes,

(08:26):
like they would be willing to stay loyal and really
stick together here.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I just don't know, like when you go over that,
are you doing it with like the blind confidence that
the other two people are going to be like so
happy that you did it?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Like, like how do you know?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Because for instance, this next portion of the game is
going to be played with that other six people. It's
very possible that people form like new bonds with their
new six people that outweigh it out last the like
original six. Even if when you come back together post merge,
you're like, hey, just so you know, we threw that
one challenge so you wouldn't have to go to tribal

(09:05):
you know, like you know what I mean, It's like
I think that would.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Go a long way from us. The problem here is
like when you're on when you get lucky and you're
in the majority here on a swap, and like do
you want to take any risk when you don't have
to like in the moment, Like it's real short term
versus long term gains here, right, Like short term you're good,
and like, should you play this out as long as
you can in just in case there's you know, a

(09:32):
rat amongst your ranks there on the majority, Like you
never know, right, like perhaps that someone could pull a move,
you know, you could be like, wouldn't that be a
crazy episode if you're the one to suggest that you
throw the challenge because you think you're strong, and then
somebody who you know comes along as as well, I'm
gonna pull an even cooler move here and like get

(09:52):
out the person that suggested we throw the challenge, and
then that's on my resume. So like there's always a
risk to it, for sure, but I I don't think
it's a terrible idea.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I'm trying to remember if we've ever seen it, Like
you've seen people throw challenges because they wanted to.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Want to get a specific person that they're on their tribe.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like I just think it's like one move too many,
It's like one like too far removed.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Like I don't know, I just I wonder.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Also, so if you threw it, then it's now you
going it's forward two okay, then you go after that.
I mean it just really just like I think would
ruin team unity for the next challenge as well. Do
you really have to throw the next one, right or no? Like,
don't you kind of like have to throw the next one?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah? I mean you're assuming here that they're probably you're
hoping that you're only going to go for a few
more votes here like this, So yeah, so who cares
if you just throw it? Like I wonder how probes
would take that? But like, right, yeah, like what if
you throw the next talent like we've never seen it done?
Could be really cool. I don't I think it becomes

(11:05):
a problem if this is like, you know, something they
have to deal with because people have figured out the
solution is to always do this if it's something like
this happens and then that doesn't make for good TV.
But like to watch it one season would be really interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, I mean I feel like the survivor at least
likes to think that there's some element of it's possible
for you to say. I mean, look, because if it's
a it's right now, it's a tribe of seven, correct, right,
So you have the four, the two, and the one right,
So essentially you have a five to two or I

(11:44):
guess theoretically a four to three, then you throw in
maybe some sort of an advantage to even and out
or whatever. So it's like, you know, going into going
into next week, per se, if this team loses again,
is it possible to you know, rally the troops and

(12:04):
get out someone from the Red team, or is it
better for you know, Sophia to just kind of again
stick with it like it is Jason, Like, do they
lose again?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
And is Jason the next out? Like? Is that? Is that, like,
you know, mathematically the only thing.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
That where they tried to make us think that Juwan
might be the next one out here and that maybe
he need a mistake by not making a move here
with Matt. But again, who knows that was a clip
used for a preview, So who knows if that's actually
something that it is an issue on their tribe or

(12:40):
just you know, a momentary you know, annoyance from someone.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, I definitely think you know, I'm definitely getting like
main character vibes from Sophia, oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Since the very beginning. I want to talk about Nate
because you know, you meant that you felt a little
bit bad for Matt. I felt really bad for badly
for Matt. Here for many reasons. Obviously we discussed that
he gets tried swap screwed here and is it's like,
you know, completely luck from my opinion, and but the

(13:16):
other element where I felt really bad for Matt. And
this pains me because I've really loved Nate so far.
He's been one of my favorite characters so far. But
I thought Nate was unnecessarily mean here. I know that
he feels upset because he thinks and he's right that
Matt threw him under the bus, and that Matt is

(13:36):
was gunning for him, but I felt like, you know,
he was very open at tribal Council about coming for Matt,
and some of his reasoning felt unfair to me, like
when he was like, oh, well, like you did throw
the you did throw him the other people under the bus,
and Matt's like, it's not throwing people under the bus

(13:59):
to say please don't vote me out. That's like, to me,
that's like the opposite of throwing people. He's not like,
you know, this person's terrible and I'll help you vote
them out and I'll like he's literally just saying like
I really don't want it to be me. I let
me tell you what I can offer you, like I'm
good at challenges and I'm strong. I don't think or

(14:20):
at least from what they showed us and what they
were saying. His reasoning was, I do not think that
he threw people under the bus, and I don't think
it was a fair uh Like, I don't think it
was a fair thing for Nate to say that that
that's what that is. And it's not like he's saying
there was information we don't have. He's saying he told

(14:41):
us what it is and why he thinks that, and
that didn't make sense me. I was annoyed with Nate
in that moment.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, I think we've gotten you know, I'm always looking
for like moments that we get from someone that kind
of either complicates our feelings for them or even flat
out like makes us dislike them, you know, because you know,
obviously I think most people are dynamic enough personality wise
you could go either way with them, and they can
kind of, you know, pick and choose what we see
and either kind of let us down gently if they lose,

(15:10):
or you know, set us up to kind of be
rooting against them in the long haul. And I've kind
of gotten that vibe from Nate. I don't know if
it was intentional, but I mentioned it, like I did
get a little bit of it from Juan with the
way that he was kind of, you know, so openly,
you know, because because Matt didn't really do enough to
where we would want to like laugh at Max's expense

(15:30):
to the degree that like Juan was privately. So either
one of them, Yes, I could see if for whatever reason,
it gets flipped onto either one of them, And I
could certainly see maybe that being something between the two
of them.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
We don't really know. Did we see who is like
presumably coming for Juwan?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, I think it, Yes, we did. I think that
it was. Was it Sophie? I don't know why I
feel like it was Sophie, but I but I also
think it was someone from his tribe, So I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Know, Well, you would need someone to flip, right, So
I mean, I was wondering if it is potentially Nate.
Obviously we've seen them, you know, it seems like they're
pretty copasetic, but you never know, Okay, So I feel
like at this point in the game, again, we had
such a like disproportionately large amount of time uh to

(16:31):
spend with Alex and Sophia. I think we're like starting
to get like a little bit of Sophie Sophie.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Mm hmm, you said Sophie.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, I keep saying Sophia.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I want to say, yeah, it's Sophie with an I
and Sophie with an Ie. But so, who do you
think is kind of creeping into the limelight here now
that we're sort of making way for other people to
get obviously attention screen time, you know, we're getting to
see a little bit more strategy of people because you know,

(17:07):
now verbatim people are going to tribal whereas before we
weren't seeing anyone go to tribal. Has anybody blossomed in
this last hour and a half here for you and
made it away from the background.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Because again, it didn't require very much game flight here
because the tribes were just swapped. So clearly, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
The savvioust move is Jeff Probe setting up a fake challenge.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I want to talk about that because I don't remember
that ever happening that we see a fake out challenge.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
When you look closer at it, it was kind of
half assed, right, It was like, you know, if you
looked at it well, because if you looked at it,
it didn't really make send Like it didn't. I mean,
maybe I'm wrong, and there is a challenge that it
was like, Scott, you're an idiot. That's the up and
down slide puzzle challenge. I have no idea, but to me,
it kind of just looked like if you if you
looked like it, it was like a couple of supplies three.
The important thing was that it looked like three stations.

(18:01):
But like, at what point in a Survivor season with
fourteen people left, is there that basic a challenge for
three tribes? Right, Like like when they're large group challenges,
they're like multifaceted multi step, then you climb this, then
you swim this whatever. That one was set up like
you would set up like an immunity, a like individual

(18:23):
immunity where everyone's just sitting on a thing and for
that that doesn't make sense to be for three. So
when you look at it after the fact, it kind
of did just look like a backdrop to like deliver
the news of the world.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Say though, like, what a weird time to pull this
move that you never pull because like it's so this
is one of the few instances where like you know
for a fact that you are having some sort of
a tribe swap.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
The thing they don't know is, I guess how many
team you know, how many tribes that they're going to.
But like this is the one instance where you have
a tribe that's two people where you know it has
to happen. So like, wouldn't you save that for a
time when it's like five four and three, you know,
like when it's like not as obvious that it's going
to happen, Like save this big fake out move for them.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, they all.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Know what's gonna happen, right, even though no one looked
like they knew, they have to have known.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I just think it's like, if you're going to do
the merge or whatever we'll call it, tribe swap, you're
going to do the tribe swap, and you have to
like deliver this news.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I guess you could kind of just show up on
a random beach, but you do kind of like need
a backdrop right for the news. So you know, it
was just kind of like putting together a very modest
set could have been an email, could have been an email,
and and frankly was really an email it was just
like a nicely decorated email.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I also, you know, we were talking about that how
ridiculous that Heina Chant was, just like how insensitive it
was when they came in. And I do think like
it was great storytelling because I do think obviously you
see them have their first downfall here, but then I
mean that moment where in the voting booth you you

(20:09):
get the like nasty, sarcastic Heena Chant going while you're
voting one of them out.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Is awesome, exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Top top voting confessional loved it.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Did you think Matt did enough in the challenge to
deserve to be voted out? Just like based on that,
like if you're trying to keep the tribe strong, like,
did he look like it.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Didn't look like he was like like he didn't get it.
He kept not getting it, But it wasn't like he
was like embarrassingly struggling with it. Right, It's just like
he happened to fall off a few times. Like I
didn't think it was like an embarrassing performance, right, I.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Thought it was borderline that, Oh yeah, because I mean
remember you're getting the like back to back to back
to back and falling and falling. You know, Jeff's mentioning
in it, which we always you know, kind of getting far.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's not like he kept falling off, you know, he
was like getting far.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
And then like you know, yeah, but getting far is
actually bad. It better.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
It is better if you would fall off as early
as possible. Who did we get the heartwarming story or
I guess the heartstrings tugging story about the mother passing away?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah that's Christina.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, because I thought again that was again a lot
of it comes from not spending a lot of time
with these tribes. But that's clearly like the most sort
of backstory we've gotten from her, and I would argue
maybe the most sort of I don't know, emotional backstory
I've really gotten from anybody this season.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
The mom.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I had this great moment. I was watching it with
my son, Brock, who's six, and my mom died when
I was younger. And during that moment, Brock just her
me and he looks at me and like clearly like
just has this intuition like checking if I'm okay. It
was so sweet. He like, I mean, that's like that's

(22:11):
why people share their stories, right, Like it's it's nice
to you know, it's like about relating to people, making
them human and and Brock was just so sweet in
that moment. He's becoming such a little man there. He
really like checked in on me. He looked at me,
he said, you know something about something sweet about loving
me and you know, loving me so much, and it

(22:33):
was just so, you know, just one of those moments
is like it's you know that Jeff Propes with the
love of family's coming together and and I'm so proud
of my son. He really was like could he was?
It was very to me, it was like very advanced,
very mature awareness there of like how someone might be

(22:54):
feeling watching.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Something and if anyone listening is wondering, like where was
Scott during this? Like how can Scott wasn't like, you know,
emotionally invested in supportive of it.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
I was in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
So listening from afar, I could hear everything that was
happening with the story being told, but I was not
there too.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So Scott will walk out of the room and I'll say,
do you want me to pause it? And He'll say, no,
I can hear it keep going. How is that a
way to watch a show that you podcast about well.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
I just feel like certain moments, yeah, like certain moments.
But I on that one, I feel like I got
the gist of that story in audio form, and I
feel like there wasn't like a you know, silent clue
of like where an idol is that was like buried
in that story.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Poor choice of words, you know.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
So I am I'm wrong, Like you know, I got
the gist of it right, and then I got caught
up on the brock stuff later because I did not
notice that happening, and then you mentioned it later, So
you missed it.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
You miss out on those moments. So I want to
talk about you mentioned this, you know, theory strategy that
people had about like the tribes throwing challenges. Has anyone
discussed also the idea that it's like maybe the opposite

(24:16):
of that, that it might be in their best interest
When you have two tribes that are completely full going
against each other going into a merge, it becomes like
a battle, and like usually the tribe that is the
strongest gets ganged up on there, right, So, like, is
it possible that it's in their best interest to lose

(24:39):
a player or two and go into a merge so
that the other people are incentivized to work with the
underdog tribe.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
I mean sure, but like, if you're on that one tribe,
a player or two is both of you.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
When you're done, you're out right.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
But I'm saying for the for like the rest of
the players on the other that got lucky in the
tribe swap, like maybe it's in their benefit to be
down a player or two because then they don't look
like like this incredible force going into the merge.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah again, I mean I think like in a perfect world, sure,
I just think it's kind of overthinking it. I think
like the best plan is probably to just win, ensure
that you make it to the next stage of the game,
and that hope that you know, the numbers are there,
or that collectively you don't look super intimidating, you know,
would you'd.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Be fun to strategize with on the island.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Well, I just I mean that's why I'm racking my brain.
I don't think we've seen it yet, you know. I
just don't think that you've seen people make a move
like that to benefit you know, the other tribe members
on the other team. You know, I think when it
comes down to it's a pretty selfish game, even if
even if the long run it would be you know,

(25:52):
selfish for you and you're thinking, oh, this is best
for my game. I do think like, ultimately, you never
want to go to tribal and you never want to
put yourself in a position to go home. That's why,
you know, I would never want to be like a
decoy vote and have like my name out there just
for ships and giggles, because you never know, is it
do you? Are you the decoy vote the week that

(26:13):
like two other people have an idol or whatever. So
I just think in general, yeah, you just want to
you just want to keep winning and get the momentum
and everything.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
What what did you think?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Go ahead, no, go ahead, Do you have anything? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I was just saying. I also wanted to discuss the
fact that they chose two beaches for the tribes to
go to.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I hated this few.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Tribes and they chose one good one and then one
that was in complete to Surrey that had never had
any supplies, that had continued to lose, did not have
anything built, did not have fire, like, Like why like,
there's already so much luck involved in what tribe you
get swapped onto? Do we also have to make it
totally uneven here and an issue with luck about which

(27:00):
beach you go to? Why not just pick the two
that like are of equal stature right now? Right?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, I I really didn't like how they did this because,
I mean, theoretically the point of doing a tribe swap here,
although he insists we were gonna do tribe swap here regardless,
And this is what Jeff was alluding to on the podcast.
I guess is that they were always going to go
to seven and seven. So I guess like in a
way he wants to like have credit gets credit for that,
Like you know, I guess they've heard us about wanting

(27:29):
you know, two tribes and whatnot, and then they were
going to do it regardless, even if a tri got
tribe got decimated or not just came a week earlier
because of Jake, which tells me we could have had
one more week.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Of blue those specific beaches.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
So So that part I hate, because like it doesn't
make sense that one tribe was decimated. These other two
tribes have done nothing wrong, have never lost, thus they've
both collected like a fair amount of supplies. Their tribes
are intact that we're just gonna randomly choose that one
of them now has to live the life of the

(28:05):
terrible Blue tribe. It just doesn't make any sense, Like
it just it goes back to the randomness of anything
can happen on Survivor, and it's like, well, sure, this
was also like a perfect time to like kind of
start over and have everything even I just think that
they love the dichotomy and they love the contrast of
nice beach, bad beach. You know, Oh, can't believe we're

(28:25):
going back to this beach. Oh can't believe we don't
have any supplies. They want that narrative for one of
the tribes, for one of the beaches.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
They love that. I think it's annoying.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I personally think that was unnecessary and just you know,
just unfair to one of the to one of the
tribes and thus you know, six members.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I mean, there's already so much that sucks about the
randomness of this that, Like, I mean, if there is
something they had, right, like whoever wins that, like why
not do a little challenge and like whoever wins gets
to like pick which beat they go something, you know
what I mean, Like you already have a big challenge
set up like, I don't know, why does it have

(29:06):
to be random?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Again?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, I did not like that at all, so big
no on that Jeff just randomly deciding to plague one
of the tribes with a terrible beach.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
When it did not make sense.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, I am kind of happy where, you know, I guess,
you know, away from the model of the team going
back and back to tribal, I will say, I'm I'm
getting the vibe that we're just going back same tribe,
and I'm getting the vibe we're gonna probably lose Jason next.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
But hopefully it's not that straightforward.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I do see that they're definitely gonna, like, you know,
play the Juwan sort of is you know, is he
in trouble? And I think since episode one they've sort
of planted that seed. Obviously it never got serious because
this team never lost. So it'll be interesting to see.
You've listened to this podcast, you know that I have
my theories about like you know, obviously they they do sometimes,

(30:02):
you know, show us players who are legitimately in trouble
because you know, you know, that's how you tell that story.
But I think more often than not, if you notice,
like well if you notice, like, for instance, I don't
have it in front of me, but if you went
back and watched last week's trailer, I would imagine there
was very little of a glimpse that Matt's and Jason
were in trouble or that Matt was going home because

(30:23):
in a fairly straightforward situation and obviously we have the
tribe swap and things like that, they didn't want to
show us that much of who's playing with who. But
either way, they kind of want the mat of it
all to like sneak up on us to a certain degree.
Occasionally there will be like a bit of foreshadowing in
the first act of like you know, a quote that
when you look back on at somebody having a quote
that says, like, you know, I really feel like I'm
having a great season, and then they get fine. But

(30:44):
for the most part, I always say that when when
you're seeing glimpses of how close someone is to getting
voted out and they don't get voted out, I actually
look at it as like a good sign for their game,
because at the end of a season, you want to
be able to look at a Rachel and say, wow,
look out close Rachel was to going home those couple
of times, or a Nick Wilson, look how close he
was to going home that first time and what have you.

(31:08):
So I wonder what Juwan is that what we're getting
is Juwan, you know, someone who is long for this game.
And it will be interesting to see the couple times
where people were considering voting them out, even if it
doesn't come to fruition.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
So I'm still going to go with my gut and say, Jason,
So I.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Think that the rest of the players need to get
smart here and we get to them mer like, you've
got to get out Sophie and Alix. You've got to
get out Sophie and Alyx because those are the people
that are going to win the game.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, I mean, those are definitely people, smart people to
go for.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
If I you're.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Trying to use them in numbers when you're going like
try you know, strong type or strong tivee here, like,
agree to get those guys out first, That's what that's
what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I think they're both good social players and very likable,
and I also just.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Feel like they have Those are the players that win,
the players that have that story. So it's you know,
we've seen it time and time and time again, and
jam jam Like it's like it's it's just the same
story over and over again. And I think, uh, Denise,
you know, like I think you got to get these
people out.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, all right, I'm going with Jason. Do you have
a formal prediction for who will be going home? But oh,
we never talked about the blackheads. How do you feel
about this?

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Oh? I can't, I can't.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I want to talk. You can't even talk about it?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Why would you admit that on national television?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, I I have so many things to say,
but yeah, I don't know. I I guess maybe it's
like a it's like I guess a weird story. You
tell it like camp or something. But I just think
when I mean that, I mean like sleep Awake, summer camp.
But it's also just like I mean, it's I feel
like it's something like if you wrote it into a
movie script of like what the weird the Weird Girl does,

(32:53):
like you'd get like a note from the from the
studio like, yeah, it's a little on the nose, no
pun intended, Like it's a little too much. Can we
ever do something less gross? Can she collect?

Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I mean, like really black heads, Like I don't really
think like you know what I mean, like that that'd
been one step too far in like you know, the movie.
She's all that, like you know, if they had added
that layer, like I don't think it would have even
mattered that when she like you know, takes off the glasses,
she looks, I don't know, two notches better, there would
still be that, but really she does colick black heads like,

(33:23):
are you, Freddy Prince?

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Are you really into this?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Your team Shannon or Team Sage in general?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Is it coming? Oh yeah, Shan? It feels like yes.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
So I feel like collectively the Internet has decided to
be whether it's team Sage or not, they are They're
not big Shan fans. So Shannon is getting the again.
I feel like, sure, could you maybe be you know,
think that her you know, sort of yoga leading and
whatnot is a little pretentious whatever. I would argue that

(33:58):
like her on the show so far does not really
give you much to be rooting against.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Per se how it would be hard.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
For me to live with the Shannon out there. It's
like a little too kumbaya. Like I get where Sage
is coming from. It feels there are people that really
are like this, but to me, it would it would
feel fake to me even if it was real, Like
I it would be a lot for me to handle

(34:27):
out there.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, so I guess by default I'm team Sage, I guess,
But yeah, I don't know. I feel like Shannon just
has more like I don't know, she just feels more
like a Survivor player, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Sage feels just a little weird. All right, all right,
I'm going Jason. So you're gonna you're gonna pick anybody
or to go.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Home next week? Great question here, I think. Okay, I'm
gonna go Nate.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Oh okay, all right, Yeah I could see that.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I think there's like the Nate versus Juwan thing happening,
and I.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Think, and you think that's important enough to go ahead
of the to keep Jason around for what could be
the last you know, before emerge, and then you're giving
Yellow one more number just because that's that's how much I.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Think Nate came across, you know, we were you gotta
believe like people's confessionals, right, and people are always talking
about how Nate's the leader, how Nate that you have
to believe what the players think out there, and so
it seems like everyone feels like Nate's the leader here
and he's spearheading everything. And I think he got a
little bit too bold about it at this last tribal council,

(35:48):
and I could see a downfall happening.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Okay, all right, so you're going mate, soon, You're going, Nate.
I'm going, Jason.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
We will find out in two days when we're back
for episode five of ves What was it?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
How was Las Vegas? Yeah? It was good, it was good.
Thank you for watching our kids. Appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
So that is the reason for the delayed podcast this week,
and for my sluggish sound.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
So got back at seven thirty alone.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
With three kids, and I sound cheery as.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Oh, I appreciate that. That so makes you the best
mom in the world. So yeah, and uh.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yeah, all right. You know what they say, You've got
kids at home. They want to be on survivor apply, apply,
and uh we will apply ourselves to this podcast in
a couple of days. See everybody.

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