November 7, 2025 • 39 mins
Lindsay and Scott are back to talk about the last two episodes of Survivor 49, the state of the season so far, our friend Mark Levy crushing it on Squid Game Challenge, Survivor Mania Merch and MORE!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up everybody, Scott Lindsay back to break down not one,
but two episodes of Survivor. That's right. Didn't get to
our episode six breakdown last week, so here we are
on the heels of episode seven to talk about back
to back stinkers. In my opinion, Lindsay, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Way to make me feel guilty on a week where
apparently without telling me, you surprise me by releasing Survivor
Maania merge and.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Is that a word? Is that merch or? Mersh? That
merchl Fitzgerald, what was that?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Mersh? And that's the week that we miss a podcast?
Never have I ever felt guiltier?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah? Well, the uh the interesting part is so last
week I dropped the questions thread but also said, here's
the link to the new Survivor merch grab some take pictures.
Let's surprise, Lindsay, I haven't even told her I posted this,
and then we took so long to record that someone
I believe Mandy Marie was the one who got the
(01:10):
uh the swag. Let me just make sure that's who
it was, because someone got it in the mail and
has already posted it. Manda Marie, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Good when you posted questions for last week, bought it,
had it chipped to them, and was able to put
it on and take a photo and post it before
we ever got a podcast out.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, Manda has been around the block. She's from the
Bay Area, Oakland Raider formerly Oakland Raiders fan, and her
and her man come to a lot of our West
Coast Challenge mania's. One time actually gave me a ride
to wrestling events after our Challenge Mania events. So Manda
Marie has been around the chain. It's been around the
Challenge Mania block. Her her Twitter banner is a picture
(01:49):
from the San Francisco forty nine Ers game that a
bunch of us went to, uh several years ago, so
longtime Challenge maniac a couple of them.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The merch like great on you, Amanda, even though it's
on but held in front of you, it looks great,
I can tell, and I can't wait to get my
own merch. Is this Does this mean that you're starting
to come around that Survive the Mania is actually the
real the real podcast here on the Challenge Media feed.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, no, I don't think that. I think that would
be a gross over steppage, but I would say that, uh,
you know I did. Uh. I put together this logo
which is sort of a take on the Challenge Mania logo,
except it's got a torch and it's got a little
like a immunity necklace on it, and uh yeah, actually
I to be to be quite honest, what I did was,
I was like, you know what I'm gonna do is
(02:37):
I wanted to wear. I'm gonna probably wear a Survivor
Mania hoodie or something when I go for Survivor Night
at the seventy six ers game. That's how I'm gonna remark.
I love that I'm going to represent. And then I thought, well,
if I'm making this for me, I might as well
make it for everybody. So now it's now it's up there.
And by the way, you guy, we.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Can see how many fans we actually have here. I
want to see those numbers.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, so far, I think we've sold two or three.
So there you go. You have a confirmed three so far,
I think, and one of them might be me. But
that being said, I've mentioned on the show before. Is
now officially on sale. If you go to either Wendel's
or Bryce's Instagram or the bryceon Win Presents Instagram, you
can get tickets to Survivor Night at the Philadelphia seventy
(03:20):
six Ers game, which is Tuesday, November the twenty fifth,
the day before. They are doing one of their good
old fashioned Bryce and Wendell viewing parties for Survivor on
the twenty sixth. But that's the day before Thanksgiving, so
I wouldna be surprised some of you guys that plans
or traveling out of Philadelphia, you could meet a ton
of Survivors at this game. They are utilizing any and
all tickets that the Sixers provided, except two of them.
(03:43):
I believe I'm going to be going down with Brox,
so if you do come, please say hello. But I'm
pulling it up. So they have Kyle Winner of Survivor
forty eight, Bryce, of course, Wendell of course, Jervis right,
Survivor Season one's own Jervis. That's a big name. Sierra
from surviv forty seven, Katua from Survivor forty five, Brandon
(04:04):
from Survivor forty four. He came to our Challenge Mania
show in January. He's actually a former NFL football player.
Lindsey from Survivor forty three. I know you remember having
Lindsey on the show. She made it pretty far. Ramona
from Survivor one, so another Survivor season one, Vet Russell
from Survivor nineteen and twenty five, right, remember Russell, and
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then Mariah from Survivor forty three, James, our good friend
James from Survivor forty three, Brandon Donlin from Survivor forty five,
and then yeah, Kyle's well, and then maybe even some
people from Survivor forty nine that's on right now. That
can't be advertised because they don't really allow that, but
either way, it'll be a fun time. I'm gonna be
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going bringing little Man with me, so I'll be hopefully
representing Survivor Mania if it comes.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I'm jealous I.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Won't be there, but I'm glad that you are wrapping
our new ware.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It was a really full surprise.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I look forward to seeing lots more pictures from
more than the three people.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, so let's talk about Survivor. So last week we
were both we watched this one last week together and
we were irate that they were going from We we
loved how it was two big tribes like that was
pretty cool, cool way to get to the merge. And
then here we are couldn't resist. I believe he even
made it seem like it was because, well, since we
made this challenge for three tribes, why not, nay, we
get to three tribes of four. The only thing worse
(05:30):
than one tribe of four is three of them. And
to me, like it's just the reason we, or at
least I hate these small tribe tribals. It just makes
for a pretty uninteresting vote. We of course lose Shannon here,
but which obviously the whole stage and Shannon thing coming
to a head, I just wish it would have happened
on a more interesting, you know, larger tribe post merge
(05:52):
something like that. Really a lot of character build up
for this to play out the way it did on
a tribe before. Obviously we didn't like to talk about.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It seems like that Sage has has more of that
to come, you know, like it wasn't just it wasn't
just the siege for Shannon. It was sort of the
the Sage versus you know, her fake friends, the entire tribe.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Of Uli, right right, right right, We see we see next.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Week we see preview of you know, her versus Savannah
here coming up.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Sure, yeah, we'll see if she is able to uh,
you know, conquer this one as much as she was
able to conquer Shannon. But yeah, I just, I mean,
I just just as a as a choice, I just
really detested going to the four try, four person tribe
model last week, especially abandoning it just a week later,
doesn't just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's crazy. Yeah, you were so angry.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I was so angry, you know, you know it was
I guess not so straightforward in that the person that was,
you know, in the majority of an original tribe is
the one that went home. But still it just seems
so unnecessary. We got we got two Uli members in
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a row going home here, both of whom should have
been in the majority right, should have been in the
position to make it a little further had the tribal
lines been what people were sticking to. But that is
not what is happening here. Yeah, I thought that Jowan
and Sage did a really good job of convincing everyone
(07:33):
of you know, why they they betrayed, but but in
a way that made everyone feel comfortable moving forward with them,
which they did, which made Nate feel comfortable enough that
he was completely blindsided this time around.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I thought they were going to do something where.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
They you know, said that Stephen played an idol or something.
But you know, I thought that this they did a
little bit less here. They didn't lie so big by
Spike claiming the idole thing, and I thought that it
worked well. Saying that, you know, she voted for Juwan
make like justifies their action.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I mean a lot of thought was put into
how they were going to handle this coming out of there,
But I don't know. I I mean, so so now
we have the merge, you know, post you know, getting
rid of Shannon, I don't know. Do do you think
they needed to care as much about that as they did?
Do you think it's that big of a deal. Do
you think that, you know, Yeah, I do think that.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think if you're I think, if you're like your
tribe ULI strong, you wouldn't vote out yours when you
have one of yours if you have the majority, especially
knowing that Shannon was close with Savannah Ani and Rizzo,
So I thought that they played it right by having
to throw her under the bus. They're having to make
up this elaborate lie, which again I said, could have
been more elaborate. But I think they they probably did
(08:55):
it right by playing it simple here. I think that's
the only way that they get back in that they
get those people to trust them. And they were able
to pull off this kind of move because Rizzo had
an idol, right, So like Rizzo could have done something here,
could have you know, potentially played it for somebody else,
tried to protect somebody here. But they had their guard
(09:16):
down because I thought that Stage and Juwan did a
really good job of selling it to them. With Stephen too.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
By the way, did you see You're not the only
person who thinks that Stephen looks like Steve from Full House?
Have you seen this?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I was the first one to call that out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Did I say it on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Or did I think you did? I think you did.
I think we talked about on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Okay, okay, publicly public proof that I was the first
one to call that he reminds me so much of
Steve from Full House.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, so what do you think? I would say that
Shannon up to this point is probably the largest character
we've lost on the show so far.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I mean Shannon and then Nate. Yeah, I think we
lost two big characters. I called the Nate thing.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I think we both kind of did it's but but
you know, we were right in some ways, but we
were wrong for the reasoning behind it. Like we thought,
or I thought that Nate was gonna go because he
was sort of the frontman. Seemed like two other people
that he was the one calling the shots.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
He was leading this loyalty h dynamic here on Uli.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He was in a great position, and I felt like
he got a little too comfortable, and so I was
predicting his downfall.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But it's actually for other.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Reasons, like he it ended up being he went home
because he was the safe choice, not because he was
like the cutting off the head of the safe choice
all of a sudden. It seems like people think that
Savannah is that person, and you know, she and Rizzo
were so tightly aligned, so like voting one of them.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Out was too risky with the idol.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So it ends up being that Nate is voted out
here like we predicted, like I predicted, but not for
the reasons I thought, which is that he seems like
he's leading the charge. It was actually because they were
too nervous with all the idols in play, so they
went after what they thought was a safe choice here.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I look, you've been calling Nate for a while, which
you know, sure, and I think I think what's interesting
here is, like you know, we had wondered like whether
it's gonna be on a smaller tribe or here we are,
obviously post merge, where it's you know, the tribe that
you know needed needs to kind of cut down who
you're gonna chop off quote unquote the head of the snake.
I think there's been versions of it to us as
(11:46):
viewers that don't don't really make him feel like the
head of the snake, because I do think we're getting like,
you know, we're getting the Savannah at it, if you will.
But on the island, it feels like, you know, it's
kind of easy to understand that they may have thought, Okay,
Nate is a good guy, uh to take out here,
So that makes sense to me even have ultimately a
(12:06):
bit unfulfilling, not the best game move, but uh yeah,
here we are, I think the best game move for
who Well, I'm just saying I just think that, like,
you know, I need to you know, I would have
you know, gone for somebody who you know seems like
they have maybe winning on the radar whereas Nate kind
of just felt happy to be there. But that's me.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Oh, I disagree with you.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I I think I think that Nate has uh had
a lot of really good allies, has u has been
really likable, has seemed like he was in charge. And
I think that this is a decent choice here. I
think this this makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Do you think that Nate is going to sit back
watching this uh or is already doing so and feels
like an idiot not better utilizing his Marvel producer prowess?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Do you think that had he told everybody and they
thought it was so cool and like my wit, they
wanted to like be in a Marvel movie as like
a background extra or like a one line part, and
that would have saved him for longer.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I just don't like to me, I we've seen like
this is how like Look, is it possible that people
would have thought, oh, red flag, oh you got to
get rid of him early, okay, and he's one of
the first people act. Sure, but I can't imagine that
with how far he made it without having really light
leaned into it, then he couldn't have maybe made it
a little bit further if he had say like a
Juwan obviously Steven, I forget who else is the big
(13:35):
Pokemon person. But my point is like, you've got some nerd.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That was it was he got voted out.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well you've got some nerds? Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's
what it was. It was what was his name, Josh Jay?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It was with a j right, Jason Jason.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
My point is like, I don't know full Mike White. Oh,
this guy's gonna make me the star of the next
White Lotus, but just like a little bit more of
I mean, think about like the most interesting thing about you.
You're with whole from people who spend their days on
the beach talking about that thing abstractly to bond with others.
So like the idea that you're like a producer who
worked on Black Panther and this, that and the other thing,
(14:10):
Like you're clearly already not a producer so famous that
we know who you are, right, So there's that. So
it's like I don't know that you have to worry
about the like, oh no, should we not end up
giving this guy money at the end because he's so
you know, so wealthy or successful. What you could have
gotten was some like really interesting conversations, throw some information
around that people find interesting, and you know, bonded a
(14:32):
little bit closer with people who later on, you know,
as much as they you know, work with you when
they were on your tribe, are easier to let you
go now because they, you know, don't necessarily bond with
you on that added level where they think it's awesome
what you do and like it's it's just kind of
a self serving relationship to even have on a cathartic
level of having interesting conversations, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I think specifically for Joan here, you know, and
he and I think Nate knows this about Joan. I
think he knows Joe interest at this point. So yeah,
I think specifically for Juwan that that might have definitely
created a closer bond some some more loyalty there.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
If I'm him, and I see how many people bonded
over quote unquote nerd culture without his involvement whatsoever. And
like you never, I mean, have you ever just been
like sitting you know, like a you know, a bar
or somewhere and like you know, you overhear people talking
about something where you could like leand in on the
conversation and like maybe for whatever reason, you're like, I'm
not a reheter. I feel like talking to people, so
(15:32):
you have stain, you know, but you're like, oh man,
I really could have like made that conversation cooler. I
don't know if that ever happens to you, but like,
you know, I know what that feels like, right, and
I know something or it's also really embarrassing when you
like chime in and the people like don't care and
they're like, all right, loser, like we're friends, You're not
stay over there. But my point is like with this,
like I just he had this ace in the hole
that like it couldn't have like, you know, especially a
(15:53):
little bit further in the game. I don't think it
could have hurt, you know, throughout a story. I mean again,
if you don't want to be too specific, you ever
see like what number on the call sheet you were
or whatever, but like to just imply that you pate
on a couple movies, like I mean, itybe be interesting
for people to know that you like knew Chadwick Boseman
or whatever. You know, I don't know, you know what
I mean, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean maybe maybe sensing that you know, Joan had
some other options here or might not have felt as secure.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Maybe that was like his way.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
To you know, like sharing that you have an idol
or something an advantage, like maybe he shares that with
just Joan. I just think it's risk once once you
decide you're gonna lie, I think it's risky to then
start start telling people the truth.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Sure, okay, all right, Well what.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Did you think of Nate's statement at the end when
he's going out that you know, if you're gonna go out,
like being blindsided is the way to go out?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Do you do you agree with that? Like would you.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Rather go out blindsided or go out like knowing you're
going out and like fight tooth and nail.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I think it's uh, if you're gonna go out either way, obviously,
I think it's like, you know, a sign of respect
that like you know, oh, people felt like they needed
to get you out of the game, right, Like I mean,
I think like the worst way to go out is
just like all you can do, well, there's nothing you
can do and it's just like a small tribe semantics
social thing where it's people just don't you know what
I mean, like kind of one of those things, you know,
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so in this case, like yeah, you know, it's like
he's talking himself into the being flattered.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I'm glad there's no mergatory where we have somebody who
like makes the merge but doesn't make the jury. I'm
glad he's the first member of our jury. I think
he'll be great on the jury, a great a great
captain or a king, king of the jury, king of Ponderosa.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
M h right, right, right, yeah, interesting, yeah, right, Like
we've said.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Before, like that first person who goes out, who's that
first jury member can kind of dictate how things go
on the jury. And I think he's somebody who has
a lot of authority and carries himself with it. So
I I can see him having some sway for who
wins this final this final vote here.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And you know, a few months.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Okay, what uh what else stood out to you about
like the little differences and how to handle this merge.
So we got we got kind of like you know, uh,
only half of the you know, the winners of the
first part of the challenge got to fight for immunity,
but they're all up for community. Other than the one person.
We didn't have like half of the people were off
the table, which I enjoyed more than.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, I'd way rather it be this where you.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Know, half the people get to compete for it. You know,
there is some sort of a I think. I think
it's sad that we don't just let everybody have the
merge fist. I feel like it was just like a
staple the game. It's a nice thing to do. It
doesn't like take away for me if people are like
suffering less, like I've said, so, you know, I do
(18:49):
think it's nice to have that. So so I don't
know if like you need to have an incentive, like
a reward incentive here, or your incentive is just like
the team that wins gets to compete against each other
for the immunity, is like enough and let everybody have
the merge feast, m.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right. I just think, like I get I get withholding
it from people sort of, but at this point, is
it really that big of a deal. I don't know.
I just think they overthink these things a little bit
right now. I like the idea of everybody eating together,
you know, I think it's.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
More black buffs. I liked that move.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Oh yeah, why what was it different?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Just something different?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I like when they mix up the colors a little
bit interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
All right, well we're we're okay, We're seven episodes in
this season. Are you starting to come to my side
of the this is a lame season or are you
still well?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I mean, it's you know, is it lame because it's straightforward?
Because like, are were these votes straightforward here? Because Uly
had the majority in both instances and did not retain
their people. So I just don't I just don't think
that there's been any like exciting gameplay. That doesn't mean
(20:09):
that it's been so straightforward unless straightforward is predictable, which
is like what we predicted. But yeah, you know, like
shouldn't shouldn't be predictable because conceivably it has been set
up this whole time, and like everyone thought they were
playing into the you know, the former Uli versus the
former Hina rivalry here, and so you know, in that respect,
(20:37):
it's it's a little bit exciting that they did it
the way that they did it, with mixing and merging
so many different people and so many people having played
different people, having played with each other and met before
we get to this merge, that there are some interesting
dynamics going on, right, and that we do see Joan
(20:57):
and Stage have the I have the where fall to
see that they are on the bottom of the Uli
tribe and to do something with it, and that like
you know, these they're like relationship with Steven is now
stronger than their relationship with.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
These other people that they played with. So I think
that we're getting we're getting set up.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
For a good you know, I'm stealing a little bit
from Jeff here, but like it does seem like we're
getting set up for a good post merge battle going
on here where there are a lot of different relationships
at play.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay, so who are you getting excited about here? Because
to me, it's just been like a more or less
the same people since the start.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
They're made clear that Savannah and Rizzo are like a
duo here.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It wasn't so clear at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It seemed like every you know, it was like a
bigger group working together. But it does seem like Savannah
and Rizzo, from what people are telling us, are are
a duo here. I think both are great characters, so
I really am excited to see them play the rest
of the game together. And I I think that like
the Joana and Sage. Dynamic of them being like underdogs
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who were kind of being used as numbers and making
a stand here, coming into their own having some options.
I think that that's going to be really fun as well.
I think those are two fun players as well. You know,
MC is playing hard. She uses this idol here, which
I think is the right choice. Once once Savannah you
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know she had the right read, don't you think like
once Savannah sees her get this idol, like, what's the
point of having this idol? It's like as much as
Savana can tell her, like, I'll keep the secret. Like
she knows she's on the opposite side. It's been made
clear with this vote. It's been made clear for many reasons,
and so I think she's got to play it on herself,
get rid of it here. I guess she could have
(23:01):
taken her risk here had she played it on her
you know number one ally Steven, he would still.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Be in the game and they might be able to
do something here.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
But I think it's the right call to play it
and play it for yourself in this kind of a situation.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I think look Sage is standing out to me as
like a character. But for me, I just I don't
see anyone other than Sophie, and I guess it's blue
and yellow Sophie. So blue Sophie.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
She had a quieter episode this this week, but it
is it is interesting, like her relationship with Alex, which
seemed like it should be strong based on what they
went through and how they stuck together at the end there,
even if it wasn't what she wanted, but she did
stick with him. You know, I think they vote on
(23:54):
opposite sides here, right, So, but I think there's a
lot of that, Like I think there's a lot of
people not necessarily voting together, but still protecting people that
aren't necessarily in their voting.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Blocks, right.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, but you saw.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Like Sophie's name wasn't thrown out, Like why wasn't Sophie's
name thrown out there? Why wasn't Alex's name thrown out there?
Like we predicted like they're gonna slide by because it
seems like they're in the minority here and that can
be really dangerous.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Well that's why I mean I think that I think
that Sophie, Alex, and Savannah are like the only three
that I have like kind of on my winner's radar,
and it's just like again, it's also like the discrepancy
between like to us as viewers, they obviously feel like
main characters for you know, Alex.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And Sophie, like MC has winner energy.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Hmm, that's tough, you know, interestingly enough, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
She's like she's beasted at challenges. She you know, she
got this idol, which like, yes, it was a waste,
but like, look, the reason that they didn't vote for
her instead of Stephen was because she had this idol,
And like maybe that's a strategy there, like making that public.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I get vibes, I get vibes just just on the
surface from MC that she is someone who because again
I go back to the discrepancy of like how we
as viewers view threats and and seemingly they don't really
come up at all, like on the beach and it's like,
you know, Alex, Sophie, Savannah's just a hello, whereas like
on the beach, they don't have that. They don't feel
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like that MC both physically as like oh, better get
her out, she'll win immunities. She already had and played
the idol. I look at her as someone that people
will target and likely get out if they if they can,
whereas these other folks seem to be playing under the
radar up until probably till it's too late.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's Sophie's had a real turn to.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
The other Sophie Yellow.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, Sophie, Sophie, Well.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Sophie want she did win immunity this this episode.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yes, she would have been going home.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I mean, it's interesting. It's like I always I always
go it's hard to tell, like she she's been featured mathematically.
Have you seen the stat she's been featured less than
anyone has ever been featured who has made it this
long in a season. Have you seen this stat?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
That's still the case the last few episodes.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well, so that's what I was gonna say, is that
she won immunity here. I think you have to throw
this episode out. You can't necessarily like like you want immunity.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But also, before she won immunity, she was being talked at,
talked about as like the number one person to get.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Out here, right, So my point is that if she
doesn't win immunity soon and then loot.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
And then but maybe like I wonder, like I said,
like she would have been out.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
But that's not necessarily true, because like, Juan, do you
think that changes anything? Like, do you think if like
it wasn't that this is okay? So this is an
interesting point here, if I do say so myself. But
like we know that Sage and Juwan and Steven have
this you know alliance, the secret alliance. Now when the
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vote turns to Stephen because Sophie wins immunity, is that
what causes Jowan and Sage to like one hundred percent
flip here? Like had it been Sophie, would they have
stuck with their numbers? But because it's Steven and they don't,
you know, they have this strong relationship with him. Is
that do you think that plays into it? Or do
(27:12):
you think no matter what, they would have flipped and
Nate would have gone home here Sophie was safe either way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Uh, well, it's hard to say. But again it's hard
for me to read into the to not read into
the edit of it all where it's.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Like, I mean, it seems Sage and Sophie had a
relationship too, so maybe she would have.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I just don't know anyone's I don't until this episode,
It's like Sophie just has been flying under the radar.
Just like on the show off the show, et cetera.
They went out of their way to show us, you know, Nate,
you know, not necessarily fitting in with everybody and whatnot.
So it's like it made him make more sense here
than it would Sophie. You see why. Obviously she's taken
off the table, but you know so I don't know
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if that means good things for Sophie or it's just
kind of like she's next up no matter what.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, I mean, I can see I can see Stephen
as the winner here. He like pre merged, he looked great.
He really had the best relationships on his tribe. He
was in a great position and then was able to
overcome a minority swap here and then overcome a merge
where he was the target vote for the you know,
(28:18):
for half the people, Like I could definitely see a
Stephen win here too.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You could see a Stephen win for the whole season.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah why not? What about all those points I made?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You don't think he's you don't think like preseason he
had like he it was made clear that he was
like everyone's favorite person on his tribe. He had like
the best relationships, He was the best set up, then
like overcame a minority swap, and then, like in the merge,
was able to like overcome being the target of the
other half and put him his his alliance in the
(28:53):
best position moving forward.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, you know, sure, I think he's maybe one of
the stronger characters left in the game other than the
three people I named. But yeah, I just I'm not
seeing it with anyone other than those three. That's just me.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
And you don't think Rizzo is like the lovable goofball.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Who he's He's third, He's got a third seat. He's
got a third He's got a seat with Rotten, with
Ryan Ryan from Chrissy and Ben's season written all over it,
you know, Yeah, doing me wrong?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I really like Rizzo.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, so I look, I just don't. Uh, I don't
see it with anybody other than those three. If you
told me I get these three or the field I
want those three?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Did? Did?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Did?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Watching Savannah murder Chicken uh and look ruthless make her
seem like more of a winner to you?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Uh? Sure? I guess you know, I don't. Uh, I
don't read too much into the Chicken of it all,
you know, I I uh I do just like feel
like you're you're in a scenario where you're going to
do stuff that you probably wouldn't do on a random Wednesday,
And so, you know, I try not to blame people
for their murderous actions.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, okay, ye did we I know you've got questions
for last week?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Are any of them still relevant?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Let's pull them up. That's a good question. Let's find out.
I'll pull him up right now. One second.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Okay, yeah, I you know, I will say, like as
(30:40):
much as.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Season fifty, season fifty, they mentioned verbatim in this episode.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
They mentioned season fifty real inside Baseball here they said.
He says that he you know, basically, we have some
spots open. It's not a sure thing yet. We know
that there are two people from this season who are
on the next season.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Can I tell you? Also, he also called somebody out
by name during tribal and mentioned it again. You know,
he's like, you know, he says it at the challenge,
he says to everybody, and then at tribal you know again,
I'm just so, you know, again, I read into these
things a little bit, maybe more than I should. But
he flat out my name, calls out Savannah and says
(31:22):
you know, this is the part of the game where
you make your legacy and blah blah blah and YadA yadas.
So it's like again like I you know, I.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Mean, so far, nobody has done anything to make a
legacy in my opinion, So I and you know, like
Jeff has foreshadowed, the second half of the season is
really exciting.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So you know, I think that as much.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
As right now we're like, why is anyone.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
From this season taking up a space on season fifty
when there are all these epic characters who had epic
gameplay that were left on the table, Like, clearly some
people are going to are going to make some big
moves because otherwise it's totally unjustifiable.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Here's some questions from last week. You can tell if
you feel you still find them relevant. Ashley says, is sage,
you're gonna get less airtime now that she no longer
has Shannon to make Jim faces at. What do you
think of that?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, like I said, I don't think it was like
a stage verse Shannon thing. I think it was a
stage versus Uli thing. I think she correctly understood that
she was the outsider there. And you know, as much
as other people saw through the Shannon stuff. Sage is
just transferring that energy now to the others. So I
think Sage is going to be Sage. I think she's
(32:32):
you know, very for whatever reason what has led her
to this moment.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
She is a very.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Focused on people who seem disingenuine or fake to her,
and anybody who she thinks is using her as a
number and being friendly with her is fake, and she's
she is not able to hide that.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
This is from Trevor. T Every wants to know what
you think of the four person tribe so I would
not emerge. Yeah, I think angry.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I feel angry about it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And then another one from Ashley is this is, you know,
like you.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Should never do anything.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You should never do anything that's gonna last for one
week in my opinion, do.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
You agree with that? Yeah, you're not giving people the
time to like really.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Think about it in real life. It's one day in
real life. How weird is that you just litally just
had to move to another tribe for one day? Yeah,
Diana says, you think Savannah's going to be pissed once
she founds out Shannon is gone and Juwan made it through.
I mean we saw the fallout. I mean, it seems
like she's handling it fairly well. Right, Yeah, they for.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
You know, whether it was wishful thinking that they believed it.
It seemed right away and they I mean, maybe it
was wishful thinking and that like they needed those numbers
to stay intact, so they were going to give them
the benefit of the doubt. And you got to let
them know that you believe them because otherwise, you know,
they might slip on you there. So you know, they
(34:05):
did what they had to do in that situation. You
gotta get over it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Who do you think is going on next?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Mmm?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Who do I think is going out next?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, it seems like the ULI members, right, the Rizzo
Savannah and is that it is? That all that's all
that's left. It's just Rizzo and Savannah, right, So it
seems like they would be the like the great minority here.
(34:37):
Oh and Sophie. Sophie's with them too, or so Sofas
with them. Uh, it seems like they would be the
minority that they would be next. But I think because
there's so few of them, and sof like has this
other relationship with Alex and she maybe has some room
to play like I think we're gonna get just like
(34:57):
a big switch up here. I don't think it's gonna
I don't think. I think now is when we get
like the real mingling of people and like voting blocks.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And like a little bit more excitement here.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I think I'm gonna say Sophie or MC or who
is going home next?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah it might be I mean MC got rid of
her idol, which was smart. I I do think it
could be Sophie here. I think she could have just
like saved herself this one week. But you know, once
your name is out there, that's kind of, you know,
never a good thing because you've just become like an
easier target going forward.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
So I'm going with one of them. That's what I'm
going with. So we'll find out next week.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Do you think people are going to maybe get like
annoyed with Stage for like going going after people so harshly,
turning on her people so so frequently.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Maybe you know, maybe I can see.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Like a stage going out here, like people being like
all right, like you pulled this with like you know,
we had your back with Shannon, like had your back
with Nate, Like you're pushing a little hard for like
your people maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, all right, Lindsay, we will find out next week
who's right and who's wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And I want to talk before we go about squid
Game real quick. I guess we're not gonna do a
squid Game podcast, but I just want to say, be.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
A spoiler alert by the way.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, all I want to say is that my spoiler alert.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, first squid Game we've watched the first I've watched
the first four episodes, but the first drop, the first
week drop, love it, addicted Brocks into it.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I just think it's so well done.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
The I love the format of these simplistic games.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
There is so much strategy to it.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And I obviously I'm really excited that my guy Mark Levy,
who I went to Miami Palmetto Senior High with, was
in drama with him, spent a lot of time, a
lot of school trips, you know, bestpian trips with Mark,
did a lot of plays with Mark. Love Mark Levy,
(37:22):
and it is so much fun to see him as
the star of the Squid Games first draft.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Well there you go. He was very, very fun to
watch on the show. So I highly recommend checking it
out and rooting for mister Mark Levy. You can't miss him.
You'll know who he is almost instantly when you turn
on the show. But very cool to watch.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Really proud of Mark his parents. I'm Facebook friends with
his dad and like just getting to watch his dad
be so proud and post all these things about Mark.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Is really is really sweet.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well you said also he's a huge, huge He's a
big r half guy and big, big reality TV fan
as I not assume, but I know a lot of
people who do, like apply to be on squid Game are.
But so he is next New.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
York about we got to to come hang out.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, I mean he's DM me a few times about
like the Challenge. I know, I think he caught up
on the Challenge during the pandemic and things like that.
But yeah, he's definitely has the full support of the
our HALP community. Rob although also, by the way, announced
he has a book coming out this week, so it
shouts to shouts to Rob. All right, well I'll talk
(38:38):
to you later, Lenz, see you soon, by everybody.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
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What's up everybody, Scott Lindsay back to break down not one,
but two episodes of Survivor. That's right. Didn't get to
our episode six breakdown last week, so here we are
on the heels of episode seven to talk about back
to back stinkers. In my opinion, Lindsay, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Way to make me feel guilty on a week where
apparently without telling me, you surprise me by releasing Survivor
Maania merge and.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Is that a word? Is that merch or? Mersh? That
merchl Fitzgerald, what was that?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Mersh? And that's the week that we miss a podcast?
Never have I ever felt guiltier?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah? Well, the uh the interesting part is so last
week I dropped the questions thread but also said, here's
the link to the new Survivor merch grab some take pictures.
Let's surprise, Lindsay, I haven't even told her I posted this,
and then we took so long to record that someone
I believe Mandy Marie was the one who got the
(01:10):
uh the swag. Let me just make sure that's who
it was, because someone got it in the mail and
has already posted it. Manda Marie, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Good when you posted questions for last week, bought it,
had it chipped to them, and was able to put
it on and take a photo and post it before
we ever got a podcast out.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, Manda has been around the block. She's from the
Bay Area, Oakland Raider formerly Oakland Raiders fan, and her
and her man come to a lot of our West
Coast Challenge mania's. One time actually gave me a ride
to wrestling events after our Challenge Mania events. So Manda
Marie has been around the chain. It's been around the
Challenge Mania block. Her her Twitter banner is a picture
(01:49):
from the San Francisco forty nine Ers game that a
bunch of us went to, uh several years ago, so
longtime Challenge maniac a couple of them.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
The merch like great on you, Amanda, even though it's
on but held in front of you, it looks great,
I can tell, and I can't wait to get my
own merch. Is this Does this mean that you're starting
to come around that Survive the Mania is actually the
real the real podcast here on the Challenge Media feed.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, no, I don't think that. I think that would
be a gross over steppage, but I would say that, uh,
you know I did. Uh. I put together this logo
which is sort of a take on the Challenge Mania logo,
except it's got a torch and it's got a little
like a immunity necklace on it, and uh yeah, actually
I to be to be quite honest, what I did was,
I was like, you know what I'm gonna do is
(02:37):
I wanted to wear. I'm gonna probably wear a Survivor
Mania hoodie or something when I go for Survivor Night
at the seventy six ers game. That's how I'm gonna remark.
I love that I'm going to represent. And then I thought, well,
if I'm making this for me, I might as well
make it for everybody. So now it's now it's up there.
And by the way, you guy, we.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Can see how many fans we actually have here. I
want to see those numbers.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, so far, I think we've sold two or three.
So there you go. You have a confirmed three so far,
I think, and one of them might be me. But
that being said, I've mentioned on the show before. Is
now officially on sale. If you go to either Wendel's
or Bryce's Instagram or the bryceon Win Presents Instagram, you
can get tickets to Survivor Night at the Philadelphia seventy
(03:20):
six Ers game, which is Tuesday, November the twenty fifth,
the day before. They are doing one of their good
old fashioned Bryce and Wendell viewing parties for Survivor on
the twenty sixth. But that's the day before Thanksgiving, so
I wouldna be surprised some of you guys that plans
or traveling out of Philadelphia, you could meet a ton
of Survivors at this game. They are utilizing any and
all tickets that the Sixers provided, except two of them.
(03:43):
I believe I'm going to be going down with Brox,
so if you do come, please say hello. But I'm
pulling it up. So they have Kyle Winner of Survivor
forty eight, Bryce, of course, Wendell of course, Jervis right,
Survivor Season one's own Jervis. That's a big name. Sierra
from surviv forty seven, Katua from Survivor forty five, Brandon
(04:04):
from Survivor forty four. He came to our Challenge Mania
show in January. He's actually a former NFL football player.
Lindsey from Survivor forty three. I know you remember having
Lindsey on the show. She made it pretty far. Ramona
from Survivor one, so another Survivor season one, Vet Russell
from Survivor nineteen and twenty five, right, remember Russell, and
(04:27):
then Mariah from Survivor forty three, James, our good friend
James from Survivor forty three, Brandon Donlin from Survivor forty five,
and then yeah, Kyle's well, and then maybe even some
people from Survivor forty nine that's on right now. That
can't be advertised because they don't really allow that, but
either way, it'll be a fun time. I'm gonna be
(04:49):
going bringing little Man with me, so I'll be hopefully
representing Survivor Mania if it comes.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I'm jealous I.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Won't be there, but I'm glad that you are wrapping
our new ware.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It was a really full surprise.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I look forward to seeing lots more pictures from
more than the three people.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, so let's talk about Survivor. So last week we
were both we watched this one last week together and
we were irate that they were going from We we
loved how it was two big tribes like that was
pretty cool, cool way to get to the merge. And
then here we are couldn't resist. I believe he even
made it seem like it was because, well, since we
made this challenge for three tribes, why not, nay, we
get to three tribes of four. The only thing worse
(05:30):
than one tribe of four is three of them. And
to me, like it's just the reason we, or at
least I hate these small tribe tribals. It just makes
for a pretty uninteresting vote. We of course lose Shannon here,
but which obviously the whole stage and Shannon thing coming
to a head, I just wish it would have happened
on a more interesting, you know, larger tribe post merge
(05:52):
something like that. Really a lot of character build up
for this to play out the way it did on
a tribe before. Obviously we didn't like to talk about.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It seems like that Sage has has more of that
to come, you know, like it wasn't just it wasn't
just the siege for Shannon. It was sort of the
the Sage versus you know, her fake friends, the entire tribe.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Of Uli, right right, right right, We see we see next.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Week we see preview of you know, her versus Savannah
here coming up.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Sure, yeah, we'll see if she is able to uh,
you know, conquer this one as much as she was
able to conquer Shannon. But yeah, I just, I mean,
I just just as a as a choice, I just
really detested going to the four try, four person tribe
model last week, especially abandoning it just a week later,
doesn't just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's crazy. Yeah, you were so angry.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I was so angry, you know, you know it was
I guess not so straightforward in that the person that was,
you know, in the majority of an original tribe is
the one that went home. But still it just seems
so unnecessary. We got we got two Uli members in
(07:11):
a row going home here, both of whom should have
been in the majority right, should have been in the
position to make it a little further had the tribal
lines been what people were sticking to. But that is
not what is happening here. Yeah, I thought that Jowan
and Sage did a really good job of convincing everyone
(07:33):
of you know, why they they betrayed, but but in
a way that made everyone feel comfortable moving forward with them,
which they did, which made Nate feel comfortable enough that
he was completely blindsided this time around.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I thought they were going to do something where.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
They you know, said that Stephen played an idol or something.
But you know, I thought that this they did a
little bit less here. They didn't lie so big by
Spike claiming the idole thing, and I thought that it
worked well. Saying that, you know, she voted for Juwan
make like justifies their action.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I mean a lot of thought was put into
how they were going to handle this coming out of there,
But I don't know. I I mean, so so now
we have the merge, you know, post you know, getting
rid of Shannon, I don't know. Do do you think
they needed to care as much about that as they did?
Do you think it's that big of a deal. Do
you think that, you know, Yeah, I do think that.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think if you're I think, if you're like your
tribe ULI strong, you wouldn't vote out yours when you
have one of yours if you have the majority, especially
knowing that Shannon was close with Savannah Ani and Rizzo,
So I thought that they played it right by having
to throw her under the bus. They're having to make
up this elaborate lie, which again I said, could have
been more elaborate. But I think they they probably did
(08:55):
it right by playing it simple here. I think that's
the only way that they get back in that they
get those people to trust them. And they were able
to pull off this kind of move because Rizzo had
an idol, right, So like Rizzo could have done something here,
could have you know, potentially played it for somebody else,
tried to protect somebody here. But they had their guard
(09:16):
down because I thought that Stage and Juwan did a
really good job of selling it to them. With Stephen too.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
By the way, did you see You're not the only
person who thinks that Stephen looks like Steve from Full House?
Have you seen this?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I was the first one to call that out.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Did I say it on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Or did I think you did? I think you did.
I think we talked about on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Okay, okay, publicly public proof that I was the first
one to call that he reminds me so much of
Steve from Full House.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, so what do you think? I would say that
Shannon up to this point is probably the largest character
we've lost on the show so far.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I mean Shannon and then Nate. Yeah, I think we
lost two big characters. I called the Nate thing.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I think we both kind of did it's but but
you know, we were right in some ways, but we
were wrong for the reasoning behind it. Like we thought,
or I thought that Nate was gonna go because he
was sort of the frontman. Seemed like two other people
that he was the one calling the shots.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
He was leading this loyalty h dynamic here on Uli.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He was in a great position, and I felt like
he got a little too comfortable, and so I was
predicting his downfall.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But it's actually for other.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Reasons, like he it ended up being he went home
because he was the safe choice, not because he was
like the cutting off the head of the safe choice
all of a sudden. It seems like people think that
Savannah is that person, and you know, she and Rizzo
were so tightly aligned, so like voting one of them.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Out was too risky with the idol.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So it ends up being that Nate is voted out
here like we predicted, like I predicted, but not for
the reasons I thought, which is that he seems like
he's leading the charge. It was actually because they were
too nervous with all the idols in play, so they
went after what they thought was a safe choice here.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I look, you've been calling Nate for a while, which
you know, sure, and I think I think what's interesting
here is, like you know, we had wondered like whether
it's gonna be on a smaller tribe or here we are,
obviously post merge, where it's you know, the tribe that
you know needed needs to kind of cut down who
you're gonna chop off quote unquote the head of the snake.
I think there's been versions of it to us as
(11:46):
viewers that don't don't really make him feel like the
head of the snake, because I do think we're getting like,
you know, we're getting the Savannah at it, if you will.
But on the island, it feels like, you know, it's
kind of easy to understand that they may have thought, Okay,
Nate is a good guy, uh to take out here,
So that makes sense to me even have ultimately a
(12:06):
bit unfulfilling, not the best game move, but uh yeah,
here we are, I think the best game move for
who Well, I'm just saying I just think that, like,
you know, I need to you know, I would have
you know, gone for somebody who you know seems like
they have maybe winning on the radar whereas Nate kind
of just felt happy to be there. But that's me.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Oh, I disagree with you.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I I think I think that Nate has uh had
a lot of really good allies, has u has been
really likable, has seemed like he was in charge. And
I think that this is a decent choice here. I
think this this makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Do you think that Nate is going to sit back
watching this uh or is already doing so and feels
like an idiot not better utilizing his Marvel producer prowess?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Do you think that had he told everybody and they
thought it was so cool and like my wit, they
wanted to like be in a Marvel movie as like
a background extra or like a one line part, and
that would have saved him for longer.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I just don't like to me, I we've seen like
this is how like Look, is it possible that people
would have thought, oh, red flag, oh you got to
get rid of him early, okay, and he's one of
the first people act. Sure, but I can't imagine that
with how far he made it without having really light
leaned into it, then he couldn't have maybe made it
a little bit further if he had say like a
Juwan obviously Steven, I forget who else is the big
(13:35):
Pokemon person. But my point is like, you've got some nerd.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
That was it was he got voted out.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well you've got some nerds? Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's
what it was. It was what was his name, Josh Jay?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It was with a j right, Jason Jason.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
My point is like, I don't know full Mike White. Oh,
this guy's gonna make me the star of the next
White Lotus, but just like a little bit more of
I mean, think about like the most interesting thing about you.
You're with whole from people who spend their days on
the beach talking about that thing abstractly to bond with others.
So like the idea that you're like a producer who
worked on Black Panther and this, that and the other thing,
(14:10):
Like you're clearly already not a producer so famous that
we know who you are, right, So there's that. So
it's like I don't know that you have to worry
about the like, oh no, should we not end up
giving this guy money at the end because he's so
you know, so wealthy or successful. What you could have
gotten was some like really interesting conversations, throw some information
around that people find interesting, and you know, bonded a
(14:32):
little bit closer with people who later on, you know,
as much as they you know, work with you when
they were on your tribe, are easier to let you
go now because they, you know, don't necessarily bond with
you on that added level where they think it's awesome
what you do and like it's it's just kind of
a self serving relationship to even have on a cathartic
level of having interesting conversations, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I think specifically for Joan here, you know, and
he and I think Nate knows this about Joan. I
think he knows Joe interest at this point. So yeah,
I think specifically for Juwan that that might have definitely
created a closer bond some some more loyalty there.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
If I'm him, and I see how many people bonded
over quote unquote nerd culture without his involvement whatsoever. And
like you never, I mean, have you ever just been
like sitting you know, like a you know, a bar
or somewhere and like you know, you overhear people talking
about something where you could like leand in on the
conversation and like maybe for whatever reason, you're like, I'm
not a reheter. I feel like talking to people, so
(15:32):
you have stain, you know, but you're like, oh man,
I really could have like made that conversation cooler. I
don't know if that ever happens to you, but like,
you know, I know what that feels like, right, and
I know something or it's also really embarrassing when you
like chime in and the people like don't care and
they're like, all right, loser, like we're friends, You're not
stay over there. But my point is like with this,
like I just he had this ace in the hole
that like it couldn't have like, you know, especially a
(15:53):
little bit further in the game. I don't think it
could have hurt, you know, throughout a story. I mean again,
if you don't want to be too specific, you ever
see like what number on the call sheet you were
or whatever, but like to just imply that you pate
on a couple movies, like I mean, itybe be interesting
for people to know that you like knew Chadwick Boseman
or whatever. You know, I don't know, you know what
I mean, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean maybe maybe sensing that you know, Joan had
some other options here or might not have felt as secure.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Maybe that was like his way.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
To you know, like sharing that you have an idol
or something an advantage, like maybe he shares that with
just Joan. I just think it's risk once once you
decide you're gonna lie, I think it's risky to then
start start telling people the truth.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Sure, okay, all right, Well what.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Did you think of Nate's statement at the end when
he's going out that you know, if you're gonna go out,
like being blindsided is the way to go out?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Do you do you agree with that? Like would you.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Rather go out blindsided or go out like knowing you're
going out and like fight tooth and nail.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I think it's uh, if you're gonna go out either way, obviously,
I think it's like, you know, a sign of respect
that like you know, oh, people felt like they needed
to get you out of the game, right, Like I mean,
I think like the worst way to go out is
just like all you can do, well, there's nothing you
can do and it's just like a small tribe semantics
social thing where it's people just don't you know what
I mean, like kind of one of those things, you know,
(17:17):
so in this case, like yeah, you know, it's like
he's talking himself into the being flattered.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I'm glad there's no mergatory where we have somebody who
like makes the merge but doesn't make the jury. I'm
glad he's the first member of our jury. I think
he'll be great on the jury, a great a great
captain or a king, king of the jury, king of Ponderosa.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
M h right, right, right, yeah, interesting, yeah, right, Like
we've said.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Before, like that first person who goes out, who's that
first jury member can kind of dictate how things go
on the jury. And I think he's somebody who has
a lot of authority and carries himself with it. So
I I can see him having some sway for who
wins this final this final vote here.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And you know, a few months.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Okay, what uh what else stood out to you about
like the little differences and how to handle this merge.
So we got we got kind of like you know, uh,
only half of the you know, the winners of the
first part of the challenge got to fight for immunity,
but they're all up for community. Other than the one person.
We didn't have like half of the people were off
the table, which I enjoyed more than.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, I'd way rather it be this where you.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Know, half the people get to compete for it. You know,
there is some sort of a I think. I think
it's sad that we don't just let everybody have the
merge fist. I feel like it was just like a
staple the game. It's a nice thing to do. It
doesn't like take away for me if people are like
suffering less, like I've said, so, you know, I do
(18:49):
think it's nice to have that. So so I don't
know if like you need to have an incentive, like
a reward incentive here, or your incentive is just like
the team that wins gets to compete against each other
for the immunity, is like enough and let everybody have
the merge feast, m.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right. I just think, like I get I get withholding
it from people sort of, but at this point, is
it really that big of a deal. I don't know.
I just think they overthink these things a little bit
right now. I like the idea of everybody eating together,
you know, I think it's.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
More black buffs. I liked that move.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Oh yeah, why what was it different?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Just something different?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I like when they mix up the colors a little
bit interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
All right, well we're we're okay, We're seven episodes in
this season. Are you starting to come to my side
of the this is a lame season or are you
still well?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I mean, it's you know, is it lame because it's straightforward?
Because like, are were these votes straightforward here? Because Uly
had the majority in both instances and did not retain
their people. So I just don't I just don't think
that there's been any like exciting gameplay. That doesn't mean
(20:09):
that it's been so straightforward unless straightforward is predictable, which
is like what we predicted. But yeah, you know, like
shouldn't shouldn't be predictable because conceivably it has been set
up this whole time, and like everyone thought they were
playing into the you know, the former Uli versus the
former Hina rivalry here, and so you know, in that respect,
(20:37):
it's it's a little bit exciting that they did it
the way that they did it, with mixing and merging
so many different people and so many people having played
different people, having played with each other and met before
we get to this merge, that there are some interesting
dynamics going on, right, and that we do see Joan
(20:57):
and Stage have the I have the where fall to
see that they are on the bottom of the Uli
tribe and to do something with it, and that like
you know, these they're like relationship with Steven is now
stronger than their relationship with.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
These other people that they played with. So I think
that we're getting we're getting set up.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
For a good you know, I'm stealing a little bit
from Jeff here, but like it does seem like we're
getting set up for a good post merge battle going
on here where there are a lot of different relationships
at play.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay, so who are you getting excited about here? Because
to me, it's just been like a more or less
the same people since the start.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
They're made clear that Savannah and Rizzo are like a
duo here.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It wasn't so clear at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It seemed like every you know, it was like a
bigger group working together. But it does seem like Savannah
and Rizzo, from what people are telling us, are are
a duo here. I think both are great characters, so
I really am excited to see them play the rest
of the game together. And I I think that like
the Joana and Sage. Dynamic of them being like underdogs
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who were kind of being used as numbers and making
a stand here, coming into their own having some options.
I think that that's going to be really fun as well.
I think those are two fun players as well. You know,
MC is playing hard. She uses this idol here, which
I think is the right choice. Once once Savannah you
(22:40):
know she had the right read, don't you think like
once Savannah sees her get this idol, like, what's the
point of having this idol? It's like as much as
Savana can tell her, like, I'll keep the secret. Like
she knows she's on the opposite side. It's been made
clear with this vote. It's been made clear for many reasons,
and so I think she's got to play it on herself,
get rid of it here. I guess she could have
(23:01):
taken her risk here had she played it on her
you know number one ally Steven, he would still.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Be in the game and they might be able to
do something here.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
But I think it's the right call to play it
and play it for yourself in this kind of a situation.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I think look Sage is standing out to me as
like a character. But for me, I just I don't
see anyone other than Sophie, and I guess it's blue
and yellow Sophie. So blue Sophie.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
She had a quieter episode this this week, but it
is it is interesting, like her relationship with Alex, which
seemed like it should be strong based on what they
went through and how they stuck together at the end there,
even if it wasn't what she wanted, but she did
stick with him. You know, I think they vote on
(23:54):
opposite sides here, right, So, but I think there's a
lot of that, Like I think there's a lot of
people not necessarily voting together, but still protecting people that
aren't necessarily in their voting.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Blocks, right.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, but you saw.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Like Sophie's name wasn't thrown out, Like why wasn't Sophie's
name thrown out there? Why wasn't Alex's name thrown out there?
Like we predicted like they're gonna slide by because it
seems like they're in the minority here and that can
be really dangerous.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Well that's why I mean I think that I think
that Sophie, Alex, and Savannah are like the only three
that I have like kind of on my winner's radar,
and it's just like again, it's also like the discrepancy
between like to us as viewers, they obviously feel like
main characters for you know, Alex.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And Sophie, like MC has winner energy.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Hmm, that's tough, you know, interestingly enough, I just don't.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
She's like she's beasted at challenges. She you know, she
got this idol, which like, yes, it was a waste,
but like, look, the reason that they didn't vote for
her instead of Stephen was because she had this idol,
And like maybe that's a strategy there, like making that public.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I get vibes, I get vibes just just on the
surface from MC that she is someone who because again
I go back to the discrepancy of like how we
as viewers view threats and and seemingly they don't really
come up at all, like on the beach and it's like,
you know, Alex, Sophie, Savannah's just a hello, whereas like
on the beach, they don't have that. They don't feel
(25:21):
like that MC both physically as like oh, better get
her out, she'll win immunities. She already had and played
the idol. I look at her as someone that people
will target and likely get out if they if they can,
whereas these other folks seem to be playing under the
radar up until probably till it's too late.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's Sophie's had a real turn to.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
The other Sophie Yellow.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, Sophie, Sophie, Well.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Sophie want she did win immunity this this episode.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yes, she would have been going home.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I mean, it's interesting. It's like I always I always
go it's hard to tell, like she she's been featured mathematically.
Have you seen the stat she's been featured less than
anyone has ever been featured who has made it this
long in a season. Have you seen this stat?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
That's still the case the last few episodes.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well, so that's what I was gonna say, is that
she won immunity here. I think you have to throw
this episode out. You can't necessarily like like you want immunity.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But also, before she won immunity, she was being talked at,
talked about as like the number one person to get.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Out here, right, So my point is that if she
doesn't win immunity soon and then loot.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
And then but maybe like I wonder, like I said,
like she would have been out.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
But that's not necessarily true, because like, Juan, do you
think that changes anything? Like, do you think if like
it wasn't that this is okay? So this is an
interesting point here, if I do say so myself. But
like we know that Sage and Juwan and Steven have
this you know alliance, the secret alliance. Now when the
(26:51):
vote turns to Stephen because Sophie wins immunity, is that
what causes Jowan and Sage to like one hundred percent
flip here? Like had it been Sophie, would they have
stuck with their numbers? But because it's Steven and they don't,
you know, they have this strong relationship with him. Is
that do you think that plays into it? Or do
(27:12):
you think no matter what, they would have flipped and
Nate would have gone home here Sophie was safe either way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Uh, well, it's hard to say. But again it's hard
for me to read into the to not read into
the edit of it all where it's.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Like, I mean, it seems Sage and Sophie had a
relationship too, so maybe she would have.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I just don't know anyone's I don't until this episode,
It's like Sophie just has been flying under the radar.
Just like on the show off the show, et cetera.
They went out of their way to show us, you know, Nate,
you know, not necessarily fitting in with everybody and whatnot.
So it's like it made him make more sense here
than it would Sophie. You see why. Obviously she's taken
off the table, but you know so I don't know
(27:52):
if that means good things for Sophie or it's just
kind of like she's next up no matter what.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, I mean, I can see I can see Stephen
as the winner here. He like pre merged, he looked great.
He really had the best relationships on his tribe. He
was in a great position and then was able to
overcome a minority swap here and then overcome a merge
where he was the target vote for the you know,
(28:18):
for half the people, Like I could definitely see a
Stephen win here too.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
You could see a Stephen win for the whole season.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah why not? What about all those points I made?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You don't think he's you don't think like preseason he
had like he it was made clear that he was
like everyone's favorite person on his tribe. He had like
the best relationships, He was the best set up, then
like overcame a minority swap, and then, like in the merge,
was able to like overcome being the target of the
other half and put him his his alliance in the
(28:53):
best position moving forward.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, you know, sure, I think he's maybe one of
the stronger characters left in the game other than the
three people I named. But yeah, I just I'm not
seeing it with anyone other than those three. That's just me.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
And you don't think Rizzo is like the lovable goofball.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Who he's He's third, He's got a third seat. He's
got a third He's got a seat with Rotten, with
Ryan Ryan from Chrissy and Ben's season written all over it,
you know, Yeah, doing me wrong?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I really like Rizzo.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, so I look, I just don't. Uh, I don't
see it with anybody other than those three. If you
told me I get these three or the field I
want those three?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Did? Did?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Did?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Watching Savannah murder Chicken uh and look ruthless make her
seem like more of a winner to you?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Uh? Sure? I guess you know, I don't. Uh, I
don't read too much into the Chicken of it all,
you know, I I uh I do just like feel
like you're you're in a scenario where you're going to
do stuff that you probably wouldn't do on a random Wednesday,
And so, you know, I try not to blame people
for their murderous actions.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, okay, ye did we I know you've got questions
for last week?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Are any of them still relevant?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Let's pull them up. That's a good question. Let's find out.
I'll pull him up right now. One second.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Okay, yeah, I you know, I will say, like as
(30:40):
much as.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Season fifty, season fifty, they mentioned verbatim in this episode.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
They mentioned season fifty real inside Baseball here they said.
He says that he you know, basically, we have some
spots open. It's not a sure thing yet. We know
that there are two people from this season who are
on the next season.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Can I tell you? Also, he also called somebody out
by name during tribal and mentioned it again. You know,
he's like, you know, he says it at the challenge,
he says to everybody, and then at tribal you know again,
I'm just so, you know, again, I read into these
things a little bit, maybe more than I should. But
he flat out my name, calls out Savannah and says
(31:22):
you know, this is the part of the game where
you make your legacy and blah blah blah and YadA yadas.
So it's like again like I you know, I.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Mean, so far, nobody has done anything to make a
legacy in my opinion, So I and you know, like
Jeff has foreshadowed, the second half of the season is
really exciting.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So you know, I think that as much.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
As right now we're like, why is anyone.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
From this season taking up a space on season fifty
when there are all these epic characters who had epic
gameplay that were left on the table, Like, clearly some
people are going to are going to make some big
moves because otherwise it's totally unjustifiable.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Here's some questions from last week. You can tell if
you feel you still find them relevant. Ashley says, is sage,
you're gonna get less airtime now that she no longer
has Shannon to make Jim faces at. What do you
think of that?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, like I said, I don't think it was like
a stage verse Shannon thing. I think it was a
stage versus Uli thing. I think she correctly understood that
she was the outsider there. And you know, as much
as other people saw through the Shannon stuff. Sage is
just transferring that energy now to the others. So I
think Sage is going to be Sage. I think she's
(32:32):
you know, very for whatever reason what has led her
to this moment.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
She is a very.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Focused on people who seem disingenuine or fake to her,
and anybody who she thinks is using her as a
number and being friendly with her is fake, and she's
she is not able to hide that.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
This is from Trevor. T Every wants to know what
you think of the four person tribe so I would
not emerge. Yeah, I think angry.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I feel angry about it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And then another one from Ashley is this is, you know,
like you.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Should never do anything.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You should never do anything that's gonna last for one
week in my opinion, do.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
You agree with that? Yeah, you're not giving people the
time to like really.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Think about it in real life. It's one day in
real life. How weird is that you just litally just
had to move to another tribe for one day? Yeah,
Diana says, you think Savannah's going to be pissed once
she founds out Shannon is gone and Juwan made it through.
I mean we saw the fallout. I mean, it seems
like she's handling it fairly well. Right, Yeah, they for.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
You know, whether it was wishful thinking that they believed it.
It seemed right away and they I mean, maybe it
was wishful thinking and that like they needed those numbers
to stay intact, so they were going to give them
the benefit of the doubt. And you got to let
them know that you believe them because otherwise, you know,
they might slip on you there. So you know, they
(34:05):
did what they had to do in that situation. You
gotta get over it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Who do you think is going on next?
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Mmm?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Who do I think is going out next?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, it seems like the ULI members, right, the Rizzo
Savannah and is that it is? That all that's all
that's left. It's just Rizzo and Savannah, right, So it
seems like they would be the like the great minority here.
(34:37):
Oh and Sophie. Sophie's with them too, or so Sofas
with them. Uh, it seems like they would be the
minority that they would be next. But I think because
there's so few of them, and sof like has this
other relationship with Alex and she maybe has some room
to play like I think we're gonna get just like
(34:57):
a big switch up here. I don't think it's gonna
I don't think. I think now is when we get
like the real mingling of people and like voting blocks.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
And like a little bit more excitement here.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I think I'm gonna say Sophie or MC or who
is going home next?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah it might be I mean MC got rid of
her idol, which was smart. I I do think it
could be Sophie here. I think she could have just
like saved herself this one week. But you know, once
your name is out there, that's kind of, you know,
never a good thing because you've just become like an
easier target going forward.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
So I'm going with one of them. That's what I'm
going with. So we'll find out next week.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Do you think people are going to maybe get like
annoyed with Stage for like going going after people so harshly,
turning on her people so so frequently.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Maybe you know, maybe I can see.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Like a stage going out here, like people being like
all right, like you pulled this with like you know,
we had your back with Shannon, like had your back
with Nate, Like you're pushing a little hard for like
your people maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, all right, Lindsay, we will find out next week
who's right and who's wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And I want to talk before we go about squid
Game real quick. I guess we're not gonna do a
squid Game podcast, but I just want to say, be.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
A spoiler alert by the way.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, all I want to say is that my spoiler alert.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, first squid Game we've watched the first I've watched
the first four episodes, but the first drop, the first
week drop, love it, addicted Brocks into it.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I just think it's so well done.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
The I love the format of these simplistic games.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
There is so much strategy to it.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And I obviously I'm really excited that my guy Mark Levy,
who I went to Miami Palmetto Senior High with, was
in drama with him, spent a lot of time, a
lot of school trips, you know, bestpian trips with Mark,
did a lot of plays with Mark. Love Mark Levy,
(37:22):
and it is so much fun to see him as
the star of the Squid Games first draft.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Well there you go. He was very, very fun to
watch on the show. So I highly recommend checking it
out and rooting for mister Mark Levy. You can't miss him.
You'll know who he is almost instantly when you turn
on the show. But very cool to watch.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Really proud of Mark his parents. I'm Facebook friends with
his dad and like just getting to watch his dad
be so proud and post all these things about Mark.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Is really is really sweet.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well you said also he's a huge, huge He's a
big r half guy and big, big reality TV fan
as I not assume, but I know a lot of
people who do, like apply to be on squid Game are.
But so he is next New.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
York about we got to to come hang out.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, I mean he's DM me a few times about
like the Challenge. I know, I think he caught up
on the Challenge during the pandemic and things like that.
But yeah, he's definitely has the full support of the
our HALP community. Rob although also, by the way, announced
he has a book coming out this week, so it
shouts to shouts to Rob. All right, well I'll talk
(38:38):
to you later, Lenz, see you soon, by everybody.
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