November 4, 2025 • 50 mins
A stolen painting. A survivor’s courage. A thief’s redemption. Betsy and author Bill Frisco explore how truth and love can outlast hate and history.
In this episode of Chatting with Betsy, host Betsy Wurzel speaks with Bill Frisco, author of Every Day Is Like Sunday: The Silent Re-Looting of Art Stolen by the Nazis. Their heartfelt conversation explores how a chance meeting at the Jersey Shore in 1985 inspired a story of stolen Jewish artwork, justice, and redemption.
Betsy and Bill dive into the heart of Every Day Is Like Sunday, a gripping tale that follows a stolen painting and the people forever changed by its history. Though written as historical fiction on his attorney’s advice, Bill explains that real events appear throughout—blending fact and imagination to reveal timeless truths about conscience and courage. Listeners meet Roy Kean, a skilled thief, and Lily Braun, a Holocaust survivor determined to reclaim her murdered family’s stolen art. Roy, moved by Lily’s faith and bravery, risks everything to right a decades-old wrong.
Together, they embody the struggle to confront the past and restore dignity to lives shattered by hatred. Bill shares how visiting Auschwitz during his research transformed his perspective and strengthened his commitment to honoring truth through storytelling. Betsy calls the book a page-turner that unites history, emotion, and moral reflection. As a Jewish-Christian, she found Lily’s strength deeply personal—an enduring reminder of resilience and the human spirit. 💬 “This story stays with you,” Betsy says. “It reminds us that love and justice can still triumph over darkness.”
About the Author
Bill Frisco, a first-time novelist, grew up in the storied Fishtown section of Philadelphia and was educated in the Catholic Archdiocese school system.
📘 Every Day Is Like Sunday is available on Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and Audible formats. [Purchase Here] 🎙 From Passionate World Talk Radio Network — where real conversations matter. Stay informed, stay inspired, and help keep independent voices alive at www.passionateworldtalkradio.com.
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In this episode of Chatting with Betsy, host Betsy Wurzel speaks with Bill Frisco, author of Every Day Is Like Sunday: The Silent Re-Looting of Art Stolen by the Nazis. Their heartfelt conversation explores how a chance meeting at the Jersey Shore in 1985 inspired a story of stolen Jewish artwork, justice, and redemption.
Betsy and Bill dive into the heart of Every Day Is Like Sunday, a gripping tale that follows a stolen painting and the people forever changed by its history. Though written as historical fiction on his attorney’s advice, Bill explains that real events appear throughout—blending fact and imagination to reveal timeless truths about conscience and courage. Listeners meet Roy Kean, a skilled thief, and Lily Braun, a Holocaust survivor determined to reclaim her murdered family’s stolen art. Roy, moved by Lily’s faith and bravery, risks everything to right a decades-old wrong.
Together, they embody the struggle to confront the past and restore dignity to lives shattered by hatred. Bill shares how visiting Auschwitz during his research transformed his perspective and strengthened his commitment to honoring truth through storytelling. Betsy calls the book a page-turner that unites history, emotion, and moral reflection. As a Jewish-Christian, she found Lily’s strength deeply personal—an enduring reminder of resilience and the human spirit. 💬 “This story stays with you,” Betsy says. “It reminds us that love and justice can still triumph over darkness.”
About the Author
Bill Frisco, a first-time novelist, grew up in the storied Fishtown section of Philadelphia and was educated in the Catholic Archdiocese school system.
📘 Every Day Is Like Sunday is available on Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and Audible formats. [Purchase Here] 🎙 From Passionate World Talk Radio Network — where real conversations matter. Stay informed, stay inspired, and help keep independent voices alive at www.passionateworldtalkradio.com.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/chatting-with-betsy--4211847/support.
🎙 Passionate World Talk Radio Network LLC — Where real conversations matter.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone, this is Betsy Worthal. You're a host of
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(00:21):
Both time I was excited when I do my show
today is no exception I have with me today. Bill
Frisco born and raised in the story the Fitchtown section
of Philly, Pennsylvania, and educated in the Catholic Orsiis school system.
In the summer of nineteen eighty five, well on.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Vacation at the Jersey Shore he gave for Jersey Shore,
he encountered.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
A man whose past was as vivid as the most
gripping crime novel, A seasoned thief with an astonishing tale
to tell. For nearly forty years, that story stayed with
Phil A saga of international smugglers, the ira Italian mobsters,
and ruthless Nazis, all linked by a single stolen painting
(01:10):
and the dark history and.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
The name of the book.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And this is Bill's first book, by the way, and
the one a fantastic job. I could not put this
book down and my son enjoyed reading the book. The
name of the book is every Day Is Like Sunday.
The Silent Relooting of Art Stolen by the Nazis by
Bill Frisco.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Welcome Bill, the chatting with Betsy.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Hi Bet, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You are welcome And I just love your book as
fast I couldn't put it down. One incredible job for
your first time. How did you you You knew this
guy from being at the Jersey Shore. How long did
(02:03):
you know him when he started telling you a story?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It's all told. It was roughly three months, basically the
left of the sun for the summer. I never seen
him again.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And did you meet for the first time when he
told you the story?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yes, we were next door neighbors.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Wow, yeah, you know what you think about it? Isn't
that mind boggling? Like he trusted you that much? It
took that's incredible month.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It took him like a month asking me a lot
of questions before he did come around to trust in me.
But yeah, he did trust me.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Were you from the same area as the neighborhood in Philadelphia?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
That's why that's who and why he thought that he
could uh trust you. And why did it take you
so long to write the book?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Life just took over? I guess, yeah, like I next
day you're fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, oh, isn't that the truth?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I mean, I'm going to be going to my high
school reunion in a couple of weeks and I don't
even know where fifty years went.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So yeah, it's pretty crazy. Like does get in the way?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Doesn't it? Your book? Well, it's worth the way.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Let me tell you, your book has so much going on
and it's very exciting. It's fascinating. And I always ask
the writer what your creative writing process is like, because
I'll tell you, Bill, honestly, I'm envious.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Of all you writers. I am. I just admire you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
All because how do you get the dialogue and the
scenery and the research and the history.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's amazing to me. So if you like to share
your creative writing process.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Well, if you remember with the book, I had some
notes that so I can't take all the credit for
the words in the book.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Now it was this book. I mean, I read your book.
It was a few months ago, and maybe a lot
of books, so my mind.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Sometimes forgets what I read. Your book is based on
true events. So would you consider your book historical fiction
or non fiction or mixture of both.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I wouldn't consider it at all fiction. I did put
that in the introduction just because in case someone might
think I know more than I do with the subject
of a book, meaning the soul art that it was.
My lawyer said, it was a lot easier for me
to just label historical fiction and not have to worry
(05:28):
about anything, right with that?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That? Uh, yeah, well that's that's a good That was
good advice because these were real people. Of course you
used you didn't use their real names. Did did you
consider a couple of areas just a couple of areas?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah? Named guy?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, what's that?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Remember that show the all shuh Dragnet? The names were
changed protect the innocent. That's I thought of when I
was reading this book.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I was thinking of.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Excuse me, I was thinking of Dragnet, and you know
the names were changed.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So you have a lot of characters in your book.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And I have to tell you, Bill, as a Jewish person,
I thank you for writing this book.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I was deeply moved by your book, by your story.
The events, folks are real art and during World War Two,
the Nazis considered Jewish art degenerate art, and yet they
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stole it, and.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yet they wanted it. So I was just kind of
I don't know that, right, Is that weird? Like you're
saying it's the genera, yet you want it. That doesn't
make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, they just wanted to make some money off it,
that's what they did. But they couldn't say nothing nice
about the English people. That's why they probably did like
the art, but they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Say that, right, right, that's good, Yeah, yeah, that's true.
So can you tell.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Us about uh, the woman the main character that I
believe her name was, I remember Lily with.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
A lily.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Remember uh s proNT of myself, I can remember.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And she was raped by German soldier as her family
was leaving on the train to one of the concentration camps.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes and yes, yes, and these events known to you
know that that happened.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Unfortunately all the time. That is just one of the
sad tragedies of war is that women are violated, and
she wanted to revenge. Lily wanted to revenge for what
happened to her and her family. And I think the
(08:30):
way you portrayed Lily.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Is such a woman.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Savvy, smart, grit and determination. You did her character so well.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I would use those words too. There were four
good words to describe Lily bront.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yes, yeah, I mean just I really admired her. And
she was cutsy, you know she at that time, you know,
for women. And I'm not going to give away the
whole book, folks, because I really want you to pick
it up and read it, because it's it's a fat
(09:18):
but when I do, it's a fast reading book. And
I'm a slow reader because in my eyes, I think
I read this book about three or four days and
it's what two hundred.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And something pages, not that.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You know, long, but it packs a powerful message and
it's a mystery and you're rooting.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You're rooting for.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Lily and how savvy she You know, she worked in
with her uncle's jewelry store and it was a jewelry store.
It was a jetory her uncle.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah yeah, and that was in it was in the
Philly area.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Bill now was in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But she did help on Manhattan, Okay, yeah, oh okay.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And then she meets this guy Roy and tell us
a little bit of what you want about the character Roy.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So Roy was from my neighborhood in Philadelphia. He was
at Teamster truck driver during the day, and he was
part of at night and on the weekend, he was
part of this gang called the k and a gang
which went around Robin Rich people's houses in and around
another part of the East Coast. And he was very
(10:50):
good at it. And somehow Lily, you know, really got
involved with him, and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yes, yes, and she had what I'd call moxie, right
she uh met with Roy and that that takes a
lot of guts because she had to know that's why
she wanted to meet him, that what kind of lifestyle
he had, and she was brave enough to contact him
(11:24):
or get connected with him to do this job for her,
and she wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
To do it. He liked it, Lily, He respected her,
and you see the form of friendship.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I'm not going to give away the end, but they
developed a very sincere friendship and it's like he wants
this justice for her, and you see that in the story,
and you know justice, You're You're happy when justice prevails,
(11:58):
aren't you. I mean I was rooting, you know, I
just didn't. I just had to move for gangsters and
this time I did.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You know, there's uh way back.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
My father was from Newark, Newark, New Jersey, and so
and he grew up in neighborhoods there was the mafia.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean there's just there was.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And I worked with someone whose father was a New
York City police officer in Flatbush, Queens, you know, the
kind of Brooklyn. I guess he rotated around and back then,
and I'm talking years ago, the criminals would rather be
(12:51):
caught by the police than the mafia. They didn't want
to be caught by the mafia, and the mafia ran
the the streets. But the mafia had and from what
I see also from different shows and from former mobsters,
they had their own code. They have their own code
(13:15):
of ethics.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And did you find that when you were doing your research.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, but Roy was Irish Catholic, so he wasn't in
the mafia, but he did have a code and his
and his crews got his guys and his crew had
had a code. They didn't talk about their illegal activities
with anybody. But yeah, there's definitely a code.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, there was a code amongst the people.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Didn't have an Irish mafia though, Is there an Irish mafia?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Wait back when?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, there was, especially in Philadelphia. Yeah, the
guys weren't.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
But he wasn't read it, okay.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But I'm sure he knew them.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah, Like I said, I read this. I read
this book of the summer, so it's stember, so forgive me.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Excuse me.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But he if I remember who I contacted, it was
his group. You can refresh and remember it was his
group that he got together to do a job overseas
to get this painting, if I remember it, Okay, okay,
(14:42):
and they I mean it took a lot of planning
to do this, I mean just going overseas. They had
to have connections and Lily's uncle was he knew of
it and he approved if I remember.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yes, yes, he approved that, and he acts helped them
out with some connects he had in Europe. And they
also had had them out with some Irish family members
from the IRA WILLI had That helped them out a
lot to why they were on their trip.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
This was like the book is so exciting and you're
just like I'm reading, I'm thinking, oh, please don't get caught.
You know, you're rooting for them to, you know, do
what they have to do and be successful at it.
(15:47):
And sometimes you know, I mean, that's just the way
it is.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You want to see.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Uh, Like I said, justice done, and why was this
particular paint thing? But if she would like to discuss
so important to Lily.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, well it wasn't the paintings, per se. The paint
the Gestapo stole a painting off Lily's father, Uh, the
same day that they took them to Dacal. So she
found out about these paintings. And so I don't think
(16:28):
she ever got the exact painting, or maybe she did.
I'm I didn't. I never got told the titles the paintings.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
But she was just exacting revenge on on the the
person who fathered did the stealing for this with the
stop and Uh. But I don't know if she ever
like I said, she got a couple of paintings with
the with the the artist's name, but I don't know
the titles of the paintings.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I like the pictures in your book two. You show
pictures of you know, real people who you know had
the painting. I'm not to pronounce the name, right, they
held the brand girdle It and Cornelius girdle It.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Cornelius was a son his son.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And did you yourself when you did your research, did
you go into the route that these people took to
find the Cornelius?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yes, I did. I took their out seeing the half
that it's still there, to Halse that they taped it,
the robs and and different other areas in Ireland that
they that had something their connection with.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yes, that was you know when you think about how
risky it was, and for not letting it get leaked
out to other people, especially you know police as they
(18:25):
eye so they don't go to jail. It was really
quite It's really quite a thriller. It's a thriller of
a story. And I like the title every day is
like Sunday, which came from Cornelius.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
If I remember Girtlet had said that.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, that was one of the.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, I wonder do you know what you meant by
that every day is like Sunday?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
No, I had no idea. I took a guest in
the book, but I you know, I never I he
he was dead before I even started writing the book,
so I couldn't I couldn't interview him, which I would
have loved to interview him, but I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, when I was reading your book, reminded me of
a of a book and that I was gonna look
the guy up before I talked to you, And of
course I forgot as I answered to the guy a
couple of I think it was a Harvard professor a
couple of years ago, two or three years ago, and
(19:34):
he did a book about the Jewish art and the
artist and you know how it was stolen. And your
book reminded me very much. That's what it made me
think of of that particular book, and it's it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I think there was a movie which you know, my mind, my.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Head told a good story about that, the art that
got still the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yes, that's it, monument Then, yes, I want to see
that movie and I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, did you see that movie?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yes, a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, I was good.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I have to see if I could get it on
YouTube or Amazon Prime because my husband was sick at
the time and they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I couldn't go see it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I had to tell you that my husband, Matt,
was a World War two history not he would have
loved your book.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
He really I would have loved your book.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And he always would have watched you know, World War
two history, and I would say, Matt, can you just
please when Hitler's on, mute it so I don't have
to hear him.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Because I'm get nightmares. Bill.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
As a young girl, I saw films of concentration camps
that have been seared into my brain.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And I was young, and it was horrifying to look
at this.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
To look at these films, I would get nightmares for
days because I'm a sense of the person, and I
thought I would have nightmares reading your book, but I
did it. I did not, so so I didn't And
even looking at the pictures, I didn't have a nightmare.
(21:40):
So you didn't make it frightening. That's what I'm trying
to say. I think, you know, a Jewish person can
read this book and not have nightmares.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
But that's I didn't. Not for me. It was just
there's so many facts.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It's it's a love story, it's friendship, it's family, and
it's fighting for what you believe in and wanting justice
for it. And that's that's why I.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Received from your book. Excuse me, but you agree to
that since you wrote the book.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
That was a good synopsis.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Ye, yeah, that's when I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And Roy was a real uh I want to say,
but I want to come a real ladies man, right
he liked.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah what I knew.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, And that's why the way he cared for for
Lily and respected her was very hard touching. He wanted
to do this job and succeed because he cared about
her and what happened to her and her family and
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wanted justice study even at the risk of him getting plunt.
That is really says a lot, you know, the good
things about Roy's character, It really does. I know, folks,
that might ton kind of you know, my guy.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Said more on here. He is you know, he was
a thief, but he had a good heart. He was
at think with a good heart.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
If the only guy ever did that. He didn't care
about the money.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's what's so you know for me,
that's what was so touching. And when you know, if
you think about what Lily went through her you know,
she was.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Violated, her family was killed, what she saw coming to America,
getting adjusted to America, being alone, it's it's tough and
back then someone had to be responsible for you.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You had to have a a sponsor. And her uncle
was her sponsor, yes, and he and he took care
of her. That it's really such a you did such
a good job.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, really, this is just so phenomenal. Sometimes I'm at
a loss of words, but I just think that it's
great that this guy told you his story. And the
(25:21):
way you picture and describe all the scenes, whether it's
in Europe, silly Manhattan, you feel like you're there.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You made it feel like you were actually in the book.
That's why I did.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
It felt like I was, you know, over there in
Europe and I was That's why I was reading this book.
Would you believe Bill, like two or three o'clock in
the morning, because I just couldn't put it down. And
you know, I'm thinking you talk about the Newark Ports
(26:07):
and Manhattan and you know, you just bring the story
all together. And I'm not going to give away the ending,
but if you write another book, I have to read
it number number one because you know, well for writing
(26:30):
your first time, Like, did you ever think you would
write a book? Do you have a writing experience prior?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Not really, But for forty years I had in my
head that I was supposed to write this one working
and raising the family, and also I had the story
sitting there. But you know, we finally did it. Well.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
You should proud of yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Thank you, you you only I congratulate you for a
job well done them from by no means a book critic.
And I like the cover of your book built because
you show I just like the cover with you show paintings,
and you know, people could just use their imagination. You show,
(27:20):
you know, some figures in the painting, and I just
I just really enjoyed reading this book. How do you
feel about the book and then what you accomplished?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Oh, it's it's how I feel. It's a good question.
I just know I couldn't I could have done anything
else that was that was as good as I could do.
You know, after you edited so many times, you just
keep editing, and that that's the best I could do
that book, and I'm proud of it. And there could
(28:03):
be another one. I don't want to tell you everything,
but about three months after the book was out, I
got contacted by a main character of the story who's
still alive, who I didn't know was still alive, and
(28:24):
that person told me a lot more other things that
happened from the book, like that would be related to
the book, So it might be time to start writing
another one.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, you know what I would love to see your
book every day is like Sunday become a movie.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
This would make a great movie. And my son read
a book too and he loved it.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
My son enjoyed the book. I could see this being
a movie.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I've had a couple of contacts with people in California
about that exact thing. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, you know, love it becomes a movie. Bill, you
better let me know. You better email me because I'll
be in the first in light to see it.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
My son and.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I would definitely go see that movie.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And I like how you hm, I'll invite you to
the premiere.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Oh, thank you, thank you. How did Roy get his
crew together to go over to Europe? You can refresh
my memory.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Well, they were the same crew that he rob half
Is with, so it wasn't hardly.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, and then you think of about that bill, that
they're planning this taper, this job and for it not
to leak out, not to draw suspicion on themselves, that
had to be a little difficult to do.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Well. They were really good at what they did. And
one of them, one of them, one of the things
really always told them was to keep their mouth shut.
No one know about it because they didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Well that's a that is wise of ice, to keep
their mouth shut. But you know, you just never know
if someone got wind of it, you know what can happen,
or if they got caught. They were lucky they didn't
get caught breaking and entering.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Uh. And I had to laugh in the bug, not
that it's funny, but I have a weird sense of
humor that they broke into houses in New Jersey and
I live in New Jersey. But they went to wealthy areas.
It wasn't my area, trust me.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I grew up in the my area. My father used
to refer to where we lived, Quierette as the armpit
of New Jersey. You know, gas tank farms. Yeah, not
wealthy at all.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
So I had a laugh when I read that you
should be proud of your book very much. So I
just think, like I said, I admire people who can write.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
How long you had a story?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
It was sold to you, like forty for forty years,
so how did you go about doing your research, because
that's how to take a lot of research to it
of your time.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
At a time. Well, I actually did it during COVID.
Oh okay, And which are my job did slowed? I
have a business. It didn't slow down during COVID. We
just did other things. But that's the time I started,
uh writing, and it just took off, like uh, I
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was writing a thousand and two thousand and three thousand
words a day. Yeah, just this was coming out.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Wow, that's that. Just that just amazes me because I've
enough I have difficulty writing a paragraph myself. It's like
I know what I want to say, Bill, but when
it's from the from the head to the hand, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I just can't put into words what I have in
my head, like i'd rather talk, and sometimes I have.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Difficulty with that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But it's like I know what's in my head that
I want to write down. But that is why I
admire writers, and I want the audience to know because
I've been doing the show six years now, and before
I did the show, I never realized the research, the
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time that it takes to write a book, and some
people have taken my ten.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Years to write a book.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
There's a lot of time and effort that goes into
writing a book. And I just want the audience to
appreciate when you read a book, appreciate the author.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And the right And if they're online or.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
They have a website, send them a note and encourage
them saying, wow, I really like this book. Will that
encourage you, like, give you encouragement to write another book
that you do have in your head that it gives
you more incentives. And when you hear feedback I.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Got, I got like I think forty or fifty five
star reviews on Amazon, and and yeah, it does encourage you.
It does, it does. It does encourage. It makes you
makes you sill you did something right. And when you
go back to the research, you spend more time on
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the research than you actually do writing it because it's
stuff you, right, it gotta be gott to be correct. Yes,
the research takes you actually longer than it does put
a pen to paper.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yes, that's the research involved in books, especially the history books,
and you want to get it accurate. It's just it's
really it goes my mind.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Did you did it any other concentration camps when you
were doing this research.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yes, I was in Auschwitz.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Wow, how is that experience?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So you going there?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, I don't even know if I had the worked
for it really was. It was eerie there. I'll tell
you quick story. The sun was going down and when
I was there, I didn't get there the later in
the day and I was tied there two three hours.
And the last thing the tour I was on, the
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last thing I did was those into a woman's barracks
and with the sun going down a little bit, we're
inside the barracks and it was Yeah, you felt it.
You felt the stuff that went on in that room.
You really did.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, I heard It's quite a powerful experience. I never
really air heard heard a lot like from people who
aren't Jewish how they felt being there. That's why I
asked you, because I wanted to hear it from you know,
your point of view. It looks very airy, It's said
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commentary on ours on that time, and your book is
so relevant to this time period of anti Semitism is.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
On the rise, and.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Horribly on the rise. I'm I'm most glad my parents
aren't here to see it because it's scary and too.
I mean, you didn't know what was going to happen
when you put out your book. You know, I was
going to go on in the world. And I just
think that it was very courageous of you. And I
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give you a lot of kudos for writing this book
book and putting it out when anti Semitism is on
the rise and people can you know, say nasty things
because they do, which is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Why you're not on social media? You know?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
To me, in my opinion, folks, it takes a brave
person to write a story.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Like this, especially in the times that we live in.
And I just think we need to bring back.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Civilization to each other, be civilized, bring back our humanity.
And you know, I use my phone as a my microphone,
my platform to try to help change the world. Bill
and I just want this hatred to stomp, you know.
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I just for everyone, like can't we just we were
all the same. You're different and ways, but we're the same.
We bleed red blood, we both have, you know, beating hearts.
We all want to live in peace and harmony and
be safe. And it's like, why can't we do that?
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And that's just that's how I feel. I mean, that's
just how I how I feel and I just think
that you know, this might sound a little bulu to
send people. I believe that my husband, in his way
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sends me guests. And I believe and my husband sent
you my way to read this book, because like I said,
he did like World War two history, and I know
he would have loved this book. And I, you know,
give you kudos for for writing this book.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
What would you like.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
To share with the audience? What would you like them
to take away from this book?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Asked? A good question, not a good question. I don't
know what could you take from it? You know, I
get just look it away. Lily lived their life and
the way she never gave up on defending her family's
on her and you know it's never over.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yes, yes, she wanted to honor her family and their memory.
And I think what gave her the gusto was that
I'm grieving and grieving folks, it's never over. You grieve
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and you feel the pain and the loss the people
that you lost every day. It doesn't go away, but
you go forward and honoring their memory by doing something
to honor them. And I believe that Lily thought with
all her heart that she is honoring she was honoring
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her family by getting back a painting, by getting justice done.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
That she wanted to honor her family, and.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Grieving will make you do things that you won't normal
really do. It gives you the courage to do things
that you wouldn't normally do. And I's and she did.
She had the guts, and I believe that really she
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wanted to honor her family's memory. This was her way
of doing it. And so she, you know, lived her
life the best that she she could with you know,
I'm sure she had TTSD from being assaulted, from what
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she witnessed, what she went through. And it takes a
brave woman or a man to go on with your
wife when it when things are tough, And that just
shows you the strength that Lily had and that you
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make that very clear in your book.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Though.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
But I love Lily's character. I love Roy's character. Roy
was punintended. He was a real character from from the book.
How would you describe Roy?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I think the boy that I met, and of course
he was old at the time, was it was a
fun loving guy. Well, you know, there was a serious
side about him. And I think the stuff that the
thing that he did illegally. It took real serious and
he was really good at it. But by the time
I got this to meet him, he was pretty carefree.
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He didn't seem like he was worried about anything. I
think I say in the book, I think I can't
see Willie ever having uh a day?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Do you know? Is he still alive?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
No, he's not a lie.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I probably Mike mention the book. I just I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
But you can't tell that he was fun loving. He
liked to have a good time to you also have
a serious side, and he took his work very seriously.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
And that's why this job that he did for Lily
was so important to him, and it meant something to him.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
I think it meant it meant more to him to
do this job for Lily than breaking and entering into
people's houses.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
He wanted, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
To help her, and you could just see a very
curing And that's the other thing that you portrayed that
I really.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Liked this very curing. I mean, he was a ladies man,
but he really had this very curing relationship with Lily.
And I'm gonna leave it there.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Because I want the audience to read this book, which
I again a page turner. Uh, what else would you
like to share about the book? Though every day is
like Sunday, I.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Fig, you did a great job explaining my story today.
I really do. I want to thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
I thank you, And that's pretty good for u.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Someone who wrote it in did they read it ju
Jun or July? I read it.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And my brain was a little Friday at the time.
But it is a book, folks, I highly recommend reading it.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
If you are a w W two.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
History buff, if you like history, even if you don't
pick up this book. If you like mystery thrillers, pick
this book up. It's a fast reading book. It's powerful
and I think when people read this book, it's going
to change them in a way. It's going to touch
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their heart. And you may want to learn more about
World War two, Alcoholocaust and what the Jewish people went through.
And I just I can't say enough good things about
your book.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Bill. It's really excellent and I wish you the best.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I hope it becomes an international bestsellers. So, folks, let's
help Bill Friskal become an international bestseller and people purchase
your book.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Right now Amazon, Amazon. Yeah, and it's got And then
and there's an audiobook that's on Kindle. So yeah, so
we got all the different ways you can enjoy the story.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Did you do the audio or did someone else do it?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Not really talented man did a good job.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, oh that's that's great. And you do have a
website that will be up soon.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Can you share that?
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yes, it's one word. Every day is like Sunday dot org.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Uh. Excellent, folks. I can't rave about this book enough.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Every day is like Sunday The Silent Relooting of Art
Stolen by.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
The Nazis by Bill Frisco or I s c O.
I highly recommend reading it.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
It will I said, it will change you. You will
be rooting for Lily Roy and Roy's gang. And I'm
not going to tell you the end. You'll be surprised.
And I like the ending.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
By the way, Bill, I think that was great. I'm
you know, I wonder that that was going to happen,
and it didn't happen, and I was happy. I was
happy with the ending. Excuse me. As a matter of fact,
when I finished reading your book, I was wondering if
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you would have a second book based on the ending,
So I said, I wonder if the second book will
be brewing in.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Both's minds because I, you know, continue situation and I
could say that, but thank you so much for coming
on today and sharing about your your book, sharing your
your writing talent. You do realize you're a talented writer,
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or don't you? If you don't, I want you to
know you are welcome.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
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Both time I was excited when I do my show
today is no exception I have with me today. Bill
Frisco born and raised in the story the Fitchtown section
of Philly, Pennsylvania, and educated in the Catholic Orsiis school system.
In the summer of nineteen eighty five, well on.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Vacation at the Jersey Shore he gave for Jersey Shore,
he encountered.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
A man whose past was as vivid as the most
gripping crime novel, A seasoned thief with an astonishing tale
to tell. For nearly forty years, that story stayed with
Phil A saga of international smugglers, the ira Italian mobsters,
and ruthless Nazis, all linked by a single stolen painting
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and the dark history and.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
The name of the book.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And this is Bill's first book, by the way, and
the one a fantastic job. I could not put this
book down and my son enjoyed reading the book. The
name of the book is every Day Is Like Sunday.
The Silent Relooting of Art Stolen by the Nazis by
Bill Frisco.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Welcome Bill, the chatting with Betsy.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Hi Bet, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You are welcome And I just love your book as
fast I couldn't put it down. One incredible job for
your first time. How did you you You knew this
guy from being at the Jersey Shore. How long did
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you know him when he started telling you a story?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It's all told. It was roughly three months, basically the
left of the sun for the summer. I never seen
him again.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And did you meet for the first time when he
told you the story?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yes, we were next door neighbors.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Wow, yeah, you know what you think about it? Isn't
that mind boggling? Like he trusted you that much? It
took that's incredible month.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It took him like a month asking me a lot
of questions before he did come around to trust in me.
But yeah, he did trust me.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Were you from the same area as the neighborhood in Philadelphia?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
That's why that's who and why he thought that he
could uh trust you. And why did it take you
so long to write the book?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Life just took over? I guess, yeah, like I next
day you're fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, oh, isn't that the truth?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I mean, I'm going to be going to my high
school reunion in a couple of weeks and I don't
even know where fifty years went.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So yeah, it's pretty crazy. Like does get in the way?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Doesn't it? Your book? Well, it's worth the way.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Let me tell you, your book has so much going on
and it's very exciting. It's fascinating. And I always ask
the writer what your creative writing process is like, because
I'll tell you, Bill, honestly, I'm envious.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Of all you writers. I am. I just admire you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
All because how do you get the dialogue and the
scenery and the research and the history.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It's amazing to me. So if you like to share
your creative writing process.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Well, if you remember with the book, I had some
notes that so I can't take all the credit for
the words in the book.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Now it was this book. I mean, I read your book.
It was a few months ago, and maybe a lot
of books, so my mind.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Sometimes forgets what I read. Your book is based on
true events. So would you consider your book historical fiction
or non fiction or mixture of both.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I wouldn't consider it at all fiction. I did put
that in the introduction just because in case someone might
think I know more than I do with the subject
of a book, meaning the soul art that it was.
My lawyer said, it was a lot easier for me
to just label historical fiction and not have to worry
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about anything, right with that?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That? Uh, yeah, well that's that's a good That was
good advice because these were real people. Of course you
used you didn't use their real names. Did did you
consider a couple of areas just a couple of areas?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah? Named guy?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, what's that?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Remember that show the all shuh Dragnet? The names were
changed protect the innocent. That's I thought of when I
was reading this book.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I was thinking of.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Excuse me, I was thinking of Dragnet, and you know
the names were changed.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So you have a lot of characters in your book.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And I have to tell you, Bill, as a Jewish person,
I thank you for writing this book.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I was deeply moved by your book, by your story.
The events, folks are real art and during World War Two,
the Nazis considered Jewish art degenerate art, and yet they
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stole it, and.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yet they wanted it. So I was just kind of
I don't know that, right, Is that weird? Like you're
saying it's the genera, yet you want it. That doesn't
make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, they just wanted to make some money off it,
that's what they did. But they couldn't say nothing nice
about the English people. That's why they probably did like
the art, but they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Say that, right, right, that's good, Yeah, yeah, that's true.
So can you tell.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Us about uh, the woman the main character that I
believe her name was, I remember Lily with.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
A lily.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Remember uh s proNT of myself, I can remember.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And she was raped by German soldier as her family
was leaving on the train to one of the concentration camps.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes and yes, yes, and these events known to you
know that that happened.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Unfortunately all the time. That is just one of the
sad tragedies of war is that women are violated, and
she wanted to revenge. Lily wanted to revenge for what
happened to her and her family. And I think the
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way you portrayed Lily.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Is such a woman.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Savvy, smart, grit and determination. You did her character so well.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I would use those words too. There were four
good words to describe Lily bront.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yes, yeah, I mean just I really admired her. And
she was cutsy, you know she at that time, you know,
for women. And I'm not going to give away the
whole book, folks, because I really want you to pick
it up and read it, because it's it's a fat
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but when I do, it's a fast reading book. And
I'm a slow reader because in my eyes, I think
I read this book about three or four days and
it's what two hundred.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And something pages, not that.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You know, long, but it packs a powerful message and
it's a mystery and you're rooting.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You're rooting for.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Lily and how savvy she You know, she worked in
with her uncle's jewelry store and it was a jewelry store.
It was a jetory her uncle.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah yeah, and that was in it was in the
Philly area.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Bill now was in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But she did help on Manhattan, Okay, yeah, oh okay.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And then she meets this guy Roy and tell us
a little bit of what you want about the character Roy.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So Roy was from my neighborhood in Philadelphia. He was
at Teamster truck driver during the day, and he was
part of at night and on the weekend, he was
part of this gang called the k and a gang
which went around Robin Rich people's houses in and around
another part of the East Coast. And he was very
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good at it. And somehow Lily, you know, really got
involved with him, and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yes, yes, and she had what I'd call moxie, right
she uh met with Roy and that that takes a
lot of guts because she had to know that's why
she wanted to meet him, that what kind of lifestyle
he had, and she was brave enough to contact him
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or get connected with him to do this job for her,
and she wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
To do it. He liked it, Lily, He respected her,
and you see the form of friendship.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I'm not going to give away the end, but they
developed a very sincere friendship and it's like he wants
this justice for her, and you see that in the story,
and you know justice, You're You're happy when justice prevails,
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aren't you. I mean I was rooting, you know, I
just didn't. I just had to move for gangsters and
this time I did.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You know, there's uh way back.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
My father was from Newark, Newark, New Jersey, and so
and he grew up in neighborhoods there was the mafia.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean there's just there was.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
And I worked with someone whose father was a New
York City police officer in Flatbush, Queens, you know, the
kind of Brooklyn. I guess he rotated around and back then,
and I'm talking years ago, the criminals would rather be
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caught by the police than the mafia. They didn't want
to be caught by the mafia, and the mafia ran
the the streets. But the mafia had and from what
I see also from different shows and from former mobsters,
they had their own code. They have their own code
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of ethics.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And did you find that when you were doing your research.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, but Roy was Irish Catholic, so he wasn't in
the mafia, but he did have a code and his
and his crews got his guys and his crew had
had a code. They didn't talk about their illegal activities
with anybody. But yeah, there's definitely a code.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, there was a code amongst the people.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Didn't have an Irish mafia though, Is there an Irish mafia?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Wait back when?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, there was, especially in Philadelphia. Yeah, the
guys weren't.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
But he wasn't read it, okay.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But I'm sure he knew them.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah, Like I said, I read this. I read
this book of the summer, so it's stember, so forgive me.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Excuse me.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But he if I remember who I contacted, it was
his group. You can refresh and remember it was his
group that he got together to do a job overseas
to get this painting, if I remember it, Okay, okay,
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and they I mean it took a lot of planning
to do this, I mean just going overseas. They had
to have connections and Lily's uncle was he knew of
it and he approved if I remember.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yes, yes, he approved that, and he acts helped them
out with some connects he had in Europe. And they
also had had them out with some Irish family members
from the IRA WILLI had That helped them out a
lot to why they were on their trip.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
This was like the book is so exciting and you're
just like I'm reading, I'm thinking, oh, please don't get caught.
You know, you're rooting for them to, you know, do
what they have to do and be successful at it.
(15:47):
And sometimes you know, I mean, that's just the way
it is.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You want to see.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Uh, Like I said, justice done, and why was this
particular paint thing? But if she would like to discuss
so important to Lily.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, well it wasn't the paintings, per se. The paint
the Gestapo stole a painting off Lily's father, Uh, the
same day that they took them to Dacal. So she
found out about these paintings. And so I don't think
(16:28):
she ever got the exact painting, or maybe she did.
I'm I didn't. I never got told the titles the paintings.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
But she was just exacting revenge on on the the
person who fathered did the stealing for this with the
stop and Uh. But I don't know if she ever
like I said, she got a couple of paintings with
the with the the artist's name, but I don't know
the titles of the paintings.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I like the pictures in your book two. You show
pictures of you know, real people who you know had
the painting. I'm not to pronounce the name, right, they
held the brand girdle It and Cornelius girdle It.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Cornelius was a son his son.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And did you yourself when you did your research, did
you go into the route that these people took to
find the Cornelius?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yes, I did. I took their out seeing the half
that it's still there, to Halse that they taped it,
the robs and and different other areas in Ireland that
they that had something their connection with.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yes, that was you know when you think about how
risky it was, and for not letting it get leaked
out to other people, especially you know police as they
(18:25):
eye so they don't go to jail. It was really
quite It's really quite a thriller. It's a thriller of
a story. And I like the title every day is
like Sunday, which came from Cornelius.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
If I remember Girtlet had said that.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, that was one of the.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, I wonder do you know what you meant by
that every day is like Sunday?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
No, I had no idea. I took a guest in
the book, but I you know, I never I he
he was dead before I even started writing the book,
so I couldn't I couldn't interview him, which I would
have loved to interview him, but I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, when I was reading your book, reminded me of
a of a book and that I was gonna look
the guy up before I talked to you, And of
course I forgot as I answered to the guy a
couple of I think it was a Harvard professor a
couple of years ago, two or three years ago, and
(19:34):
he did a book about the Jewish art and the
artist and you know how it was stolen. And your
book reminded me very much. That's what it made me
think of of that particular book, and it's it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I think there was a movie which you know, my mind, my.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Head told a good story about that, the art that
got still the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yes, that's it, monument Then, yes, I want to see
that movie and I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, did you see that movie?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yes, a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, I was good.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I have to see if I could get it on
YouTube or Amazon Prime because my husband was sick at
the time and they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I couldn't go see it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I had to tell you that my husband, Matt,
was a World War two history not he would have
loved your book.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
He really I would have loved your book.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And he always would have watched you know, World War
two history, and I would say, Matt, can you just
please when Hitler's on, mute it so I don't have
to hear him.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Because I'm get nightmares. Bill.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
As a young girl, I saw films of concentration camps
that have been seared into my brain.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And I was young, and it was horrifying to look
at this.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
To look at these films, I would get nightmares for
days because I'm a sense of the person, and I
thought I would have nightmares reading your book, but I
did it. I did not, so so I didn't And
even looking at the pictures, I didn't have a nightmare.
(21:40):
So you didn't make it frightening. That's what I'm trying
to say. I think, you know, a Jewish person can
read this book and not have nightmares.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
But that's I didn't. Not for me. It was just
there's so many facts.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It's it's a love story, it's friendship, it's family, and
it's fighting for what you believe in and wanting justice
for it. And that's that's why I.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Received from your book. Excuse me, but you agree to
that since you wrote the book.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
That was a good synopsis.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Ye, yeah, that's when I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And Roy was a real uh I want to say,
but I want to come a real ladies man, right
he liked.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah what I knew.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, And that's why the way he cared for for
Lily and respected her was very hard touching. He wanted
to do this job and succeed because he cared about
her and what happened to her and her family and
(23:21):
wanted justice study even at the risk of him getting plunt.
That is really says a lot, you know, the good
things about Roy's character, It really does. I know, folks,
that might ton kind of you know, my guy.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Said more on here. He is you know, he was
a thief, but he had a good heart. He was
at think with a good heart.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
If the only guy ever did that. He didn't care
about the money.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's what's so you know for me,
that's what was so touching. And when you know, if
you think about what Lily went through her you know,
she was.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Violated, her family was killed, what she saw coming to America,
getting adjusted to America, being alone, it's it's tough and
back then someone had to be responsible for you.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You had to have a a sponsor. And her uncle
was her sponsor, yes, and he and he took care
of her. That it's really such a you did such
a good job.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, really, this is just so phenomenal. Sometimes I'm at
a loss of words, but I just think that it's
great that this guy told you his story. And the
(25:21):
way you picture and describe all the scenes, whether it's
in Europe, silly Manhattan, you feel like you're there.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You made it feel like you were actually in the book.
That's why I did.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
It felt like I was, you know, over there in
Europe and I was That's why I was reading this book.
Would you believe Bill, like two or three o'clock in
the morning, because I just couldn't put it down. And
you know, I'm thinking you talk about the Newark Ports
(26:07):
and Manhattan and you know, you just bring the story
all together. And I'm not going to give away the ending,
but if you write another book, I have to read
it number number one because you know, well for writing
(26:30):
your first time, Like, did you ever think you would
write a book? Do you have a writing experience prior?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Not really, But for forty years I had in my
head that I was supposed to write this one working
and raising the family, and also I had the story
sitting there. But you know, we finally did it. Well.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
You should proud of yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Thank you, you you only I congratulate you for a
job well done them from by no means a book critic.
And I like the cover of your book built because
you show I just like the cover with you show paintings,
and you know, people could just use their imagination. You show,
(27:20):
you know, some figures in the painting, and I just
I just really enjoyed reading this book. How do you
feel about the book and then what you accomplished?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Oh, it's it's how I feel. It's a good question.
I just know I couldn't I could have done anything
else that was that was as good as I could do.
You know, after you edited so many times, you just
keep editing, and that that's the best I could do
that book, and I'm proud of it. And there could
(28:03):
be another one. I don't want to tell you everything,
but about three months after the book was out, I
got contacted by a main character of the story who's
still alive, who I didn't know was still alive, and
(28:24):
that person told me a lot more other things that
happened from the book, like that would be related to
the book, So it might be time to start writing
another one.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, you know what I would love to see your
book every day is like Sunday become a movie.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
This would make a great movie. And my son read
a book too and he loved it.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
My son enjoyed the book. I could see this being
a movie.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I've had a couple of contacts with people in California
about that exact thing. I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, you know, love it becomes a movie. Bill, you
better let me know. You better email me because I'll
be in the first in light to see it.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
My son and.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I would definitely go see that movie.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And I like how you hm, I'll invite you to
the premiere.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Oh, thank you, thank you. How did Roy get his
crew together to go over to Europe? You can refresh
my memory.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Well, they were the same crew that he rob half
Is with, so it wasn't hardly.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, and then you think of about that bill, that
they're planning this taper, this job and for it not
to leak out, not to draw suspicion on themselves, that
had to be a little difficult to do.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Well. They were really good at what they did. And
one of them, one of them, one of the things
really always told them was to keep their mouth shut.
No one know about it because they didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Well that's a that is wise of ice, to keep
their mouth shut. But you know, you just never know
if someone got wind of it, you know what can happen,
or if they got caught. They were lucky they didn't
get caught breaking and entering.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Uh. And I had to laugh in the bug, not
that it's funny, but I have a weird sense of
humor that they broke into houses in New Jersey and
I live in New Jersey. But they went to wealthy areas.
It wasn't my area, trust me.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I grew up in the my area. My father used
to refer to where we lived, Quierette as the armpit
of New Jersey. You know, gas tank farms. Yeah, not
wealthy at all.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
So I had a laugh when I read that you
should be proud of your book very much. So I
just think, like I said, I admire people who can write.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
How long you had a story?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
It was sold to you, like forty for forty years,
so how did you go about doing your research, because
that's how to take a lot of research to it
of your time.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
At a time. Well, I actually did it during COVID.
Oh okay, And which are my job did slowed? I
have a business. It didn't slow down during COVID. We
just did other things. But that's the time I started,
uh writing, and it just took off, like uh, I
(32:25):
was writing a thousand and two thousand and three thousand
words a day. Yeah, just this was coming out.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Wow, that's that. Just that just amazes me because I've
enough I have difficulty writing a paragraph myself. It's like
I know what I want to say, Bill, but when
it's from the from the head to the hand, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I just can't put into words what I have in
my head, like i'd rather talk, and sometimes I have.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Difficulty with that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But it's like I know what's in my head that
I want to write down. But that is why I
admire writers, and I want the audience to know because
I've been doing the show six years now, and before
I did the show, I never realized the research, the
(33:21):
time that it takes to write a book, and some
people have taken my ten.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Years to write a book.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
There's a lot of time and effort that goes into
writing a book. And I just want the audience to
appreciate when you read a book, appreciate the author.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And the right And if they're online or.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
They have a website, send them a note and encourage
them saying, wow, I really like this book. Will that
encourage you, like, give you encouragement to write another book
that you do have in your head that it gives
you more incentives. And when you hear feedback I.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Got, I got like I think forty or fifty five
star reviews on Amazon, and and yeah, it does encourage you.
It does, it does. It does encourage. It makes you
makes you sill you did something right. And when you
go back to the research, you spend more time on
(34:29):
the research than you actually do writing it because it's
stuff you, right, it gotta be gott to be correct. Yes,
the research takes you actually longer than it does put
a pen to paper.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yes, that's the research involved in books, especially the history books,
and you want to get it accurate. It's just it's
really it goes my mind.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Did you did it any other concentration camps when you
were doing this research.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yes, I was in Auschwitz.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Wow, how is that experience?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So you going there?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, I don't even know if I had the worked
for it really was. It was eerie there. I'll tell
you quick story. The sun was going down and when
I was there, I didn't get there the later in
the day and I was tied there two three hours.
And the last thing the tour I was on, the
(35:35):
last thing I did was those into a woman's barracks
and with the sun going down a little bit, we're
inside the barracks and it was Yeah, you felt it.
You felt the stuff that went on in that room.
You really did.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, I heard It's quite a powerful experience. I never
really air heard heard a lot like from people who
aren't Jewish how they felt being there. That's why I
asked you, because I wanted to hear it from you know,
your point of view. It looks very airy, It's said
(36:18):
commentary on ours on that time, and your book is
so relevant to this time period of anti Semitism is.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
On the rise, and.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Horribly on the rise. I'm I'm most glad my parents
aren't here to see it because it's scary and too.
I mean, you didn't know what was going to happen
when you put out your book. You know, I was
going to go on in the world. And I just
think that it was very courageous of you. And I
(36:57):
give you a lot of kudos for writing this book
book and putting it out when anti Semitism is on
the rise and people can you know, say nasty things
because they do, which is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Why you're not on social media? You know?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
To me, in my opinion, folks, it takes a brave
person to write a story.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Like this, especially in the times that we live in.
And I just think we need to bring back.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Civilization to each other, be civilized, bring back our humanity.
And you know, I use my phone as a my microphone,
my platform to try to help change the world. Bill
and I just want this hatred to stomp, you know.
(37:56):
I just for everyone, like can't we just we were
all the same. You're different and ways, but we're the same.
We bleed red blood, we both have, you know, beating hearts.
We all want to live in peace and harmony and
be safe. And it's like, why can't we do that?
(38:18):
And that's just that's how I feel. I mean, that's
just how I how I feel and I just think
that you know, this might sound a little bulu to
send people. I believe that my husband, in his way
(38:42):
sends me guests. And I believe and my husband sent
you my way to read this book, because like I said,
he did like World War two history, and I know
he would have loved this book. And I, you know,
give you kudos for for writing this book.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
What would you like.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
To share with the audience? What would you like them
to take away from this book?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Asked? A good question, not a good question. I don't
know what could you take from it? You know, I
get just look it away. Lily lived their life and
the way she never gave up on defending her family's
on her and you know it's never over.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yes, yes, she wanted to honor her family and their memory.
And I think what gave her the gusto was that
I'm grieving and grieving folks, it's never over. You grieve
(40:03):
and you feel the pain and the loss the people
that you lost every day. It doesn't go away, but
you go forward and honoring their memory by doing something
to honor them. And I believe that Lily thought with
all her heart that she is honoring she was honoring
(40:27):
her family by getting back a painting, by getting justice done.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
That she wanted to honor her family, and.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Grieving will make you do things that you won't normal
really do. It gives you the courage to do things
that you wouldn't normally do. And I's and she did.
She had the guts, and I believe that really she
(41:01):
wanted to honor her family's memory. This was her way
of doing it. And so she, you know, lived her
life the best that she she could with you know,
I'm sure she had TTSD from being assaulted, from what
(41:24):
she witnessed, what she went through. And it takes a
brave woman or a man to go on with your
wife when it when things are tough, And that just
shows you the strength that Lily had and that you
(41:46):
make that very clear in your book.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Though.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
But I love Lily's character. I love Roy's character. Roy
was punintended. He was a real character from from the book.
How would you describe Roy?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I think the boy that I met, and of course
he was old at the time, was it was a
fun loving guy. Well, you know, there was a serious
side about him. And I think the stuff that the
thing that he did illegally. It took real serious and
he was really good at it. But by the time
I got this to meet him, he was pretty carefree.
(42:32):
He didn't seem like he was worried about anything. I
think I say in the book, I think I can't
see Willie ever having uh a day?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Do you know? Is he still alive?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
No, he's not a lie.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I probably Mike mention the book. I just I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
But you can't tell that he was fun loving. He
liked to have a good time to you also have
a serious side, and he took his work very seriously.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
And that's why this job that he did for Lily
was so important to him, and it meant something to him.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
I think it meant it meant more to him to
do this job for Lily than breaking and entering into
people's houses.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
He wanted, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
To help her, and you could just see a very
curing And that's the other thing that you portrayed that
I really.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Liked this very curing. I mean, he was a ladies man,
but he really had this very curing relationship with Lily.
And I'm gonna leave it there.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Because I want the audience to read this book, which
I again a page turner. Uh, what else would you
like to share about the book? Though every day is
like Sunday, I.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Fig, you did a great job explaining my story today.
I really do. I want to thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
I thank you, And that's pretty good for u.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Someone who wrote it in did they read it ju
Jun or July? I read it.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
And my brain was a little Friday at the time.
But it is a book, folks, I highly recommend reading it.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
If you are a w W two.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
History buff, if you like history, even if you don't
pick up this book. If you like mystery thrillers, pick
this book up. It's a fast reading book. It's powerful
and I think when people read this book, it's going
to change them in a way. It's going to touch
(45:22):
their heart. And you may want to learn more about
World War two, Alcoholocaust and what the Jewish people went through.
And I just I can't say enough good things about
your book.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Bill. It's really excellent and I wish you the best.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I hope it becomes an international bestsellers. So, folks, let's
help Bill Friskal become an international bestseller and people purchase
your book.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Right now Amazon, Amazon. Yeah, and it's got And then
and there's an audiobook that's on Kindle. So yeah, so
we got all the different ways you can enjoy the story.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Did you do the audio or did someone else do it?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Not really talented man did a good job.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, oh that's that's great. And you do have a
website that will be up soon.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Can you share that?
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yes, it's one word. Every day is like Sunday dot org.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Uh. Excellent, folks. I can't rave about this book enough.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Every day is like Sunday The Silent Relooting of Art
Stolen by.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
The Nazis by Bill Frisco or I s c O.
I highly recommend reading it.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
It will I said, it will change you. You will
be rooting for Lily Roy and Roy's gang. And I'm
not going to tell you the end. You'll be surprised.
And I like the ending.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
By the way, Bill, I think that was great. I'm
you know, I wonder that that was going to happen,
and it didn't happen, and I was happy. I was
happy with the ending. Excuse me. As a matter of fact,
when I finished reading your book, I was wondering if
(47:45):
you would have a second book based on the ending,
So I said, I wonder if the second book will
be brewing in.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Both's minds because I, you know, continue situation and I
could say that, but thank you so much for coming
on today and sharing about your your book, sharing your
your writing talent. You do realize you're a talented writer,
(48:17):
or don't you? If you don't, I want you to
know you are welcome.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It's my pleasure books.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
All the information about every day is like Sunday, the
silent reluting.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Of arts stolen by the Nazis. We'll be in the
blog that Genie White writes, and Gene produces the show.
She's the station manager. And I want to thank Lonely and.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Coldwell, who's CEO of Peturrele Talk Radio, who makes this
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Speaker 1 (49:08):
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Speaker 2 (49:15):
By Bill Frisco.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Wonderful books that really have such deep meaning and that
will change you.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I do believe. And I've been reading a lot of
books the past.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Six years and I have been impacted by every book
and every guest, and I'm very grateful for having this platform,
and i just want to say thank you to the audience.
You can follow me on Facebook. That's thee Werzel w
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(49:51):
end of my show, in the world that you could
be anything, Please be kind and shine your life right
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.