Christian Talk That Rocks with Richie L Ep 11/5/2025

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Now here's your host, Richie L.

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Yung.

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on in the second hour, the top of the second hour, actually,
once you come back from that top of the hour break,
moving from the first hour. In the second hour, we'll

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be speaking with a Christian author, Leslie Barker. She has
a historical novel. Now I'm kind of a history nut myself,
and judging from her bio she might be as well.
We'll probably get into that too, so barry with us
as we kind of get into history nerdism there. But
she's written a novel that was based actually on an

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historical event that happened in the late eighteen hundreds in
Saint Louis, Missouri or Missouri and now your pronunciation is
that and it's called Safe in the Arms of Jesus,
the title of the book. And in fact, if you
go to Christian Talk at rocks dot com, go to
our guests a page where we've got to splurb there
about her, and you'll see her picture there. You can

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click on a link that takes you to Amazon where
she's got her book for sale and you can kind
of peruse that and check that out and all that
good stuff. So anyway, she will be joining us, as
I said in the second hour, Leslie Barker, PhD, she
will be joining us, So don't miss out on that,
all right, A lot to talk about the election last night.

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Some are calling it a red or GOP bloodbath. Kind
of was in some ways. Then again, most of the
elections that were taking place and covered heavily last night
tended to be in either blue states or purple states
like here in Virginia. Jay Jones won. He is the
only candidate I have ever come out on this show

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and said to listeners, do not vote for this person.
I've never done that in the entire history of this broadcast,
and it's been all for a number of years. I've
never done that. The first time I've ever done that.
I tend to not tell you who to vote for
or not vote for. I I typically don't endorse candidates
or unindorsed candidates in the case may be. But I

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just felt compelled. I just like, yeah. Anyway, he won,
not by a huge margin. I think some of that
win was probably due to early votes that had been
cast About three unred and fifty thousand or so in
the ballpark there had been cast prior to the text
messages coming out of some pretty despicable things he had
said about a colleague in the opposite party, shall we say,

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because he's a Democratic, about a Republican lawmaker here in Virginia.
And then he went on to also allegedly say some
things about dead police officers. And then he was caught
speeding reckless driving and kind of got out of that
or might say, weaseled out of that. Anyway, he is

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now the chief law enforcer in some ways here in
the communist Wealth of Virginia. He is a new attorney general.
So he won that, but not by a huge margin,
not by a huge margin. And some of the exit polls,
I think Fox did an exit pole, if I'm not mistaken,
that actually showed a lot of folks who were going

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to actually vote for Spanberger, who was who became the governor.
She's governor elect. She's going to be the governor. She
defeated wins Seers, and it was a pretty significant margin.
She beat her by a couple of digits. It looked
like in the final vote Tally Buddies, you went down ballot,
it seemed like the race has got a little bit
tighter as you went down ballot. And in fact, in

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Louden County you actually had a a school board member
who was defeated, who even students in the Lowden County
School District kind of went out and said, don't vote
for this this crazy school board person. They lost. We'll
get into all this here in just a few moments,

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but it was by and large, uh, it was. It
didn't look good for the GOP. Now is this portending
things that may come? Is this telling of what may
come in the mid terms for the GOP if they're
not real careful? Perhaps Now again, the GOP Punians are saying, well,

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almost all these elections that took place last night are
the real critical ones of the real biggies were in
predominantly blue states to begin with, or purple states like Virginia,
although you know, Ohio had some elections were GOP did okay,
nothing great, And in fact, I think it was JD.
Vance's family. One of his family members that was running

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for all of us got pretty pretty badly beaten. So
it was I mean, some of these weren't land slides,
but some were. Some of these elections, of course, mad
men Mom Donnie won in New York. He's a New
York City mayor now New York City mayor, and he's

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not a socialist gang he's a communist. The things that
he says crossed the line from extreme socialism and just
inch over the line into what I would consider pretty
much just rank communism. I mean, when you're talking about
taking over the grocery stores, when you take over businesses,
when government takes over businesses. That's pretty much fascism. That's

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pretty much fascism, and that's what he was pushing. Now,
where's Antifa? I didn't see any? Maybe I missed it,
But I didn't see antifa in the streets of New
York last night or this morning. Didn't didn't see any,
didn't hear anything from them, didn't see anything about I looked.
Maybe I missed it. Maybe they were maybe a few
of them were every ten or twelve guys on the

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street corner raising sand and waving their banners and wearing
their you know, black face masks and all that. But
maybe I missed that, or maybe it wasn't covered by
the press intentionally. I don't know. They claim to be
anti fascists, Well, this guy is pretty much pushing fascist agendas.
Where were they? Oh? Maybe it's because some fascism they're

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cool with and some they're not. Is that what it is? Okay?
If the Orange man does something that smacks of fascism,
they're all over it. But let somebody else, Well, they're
not so much there. They're they're kind of a wall,
you see. I think they have what I call selective
rage about selective things. But when you start talking about

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the government running the grocery stores. Now, I don't know
that that's going to ultimately materialize in New York City,
but would I be surprised if he did. No, But
he wants to see that. That's fascism when governments take
over entire industries. Okay, that's communism, that's fascism. Okay, that's
what muse Lini did. It's what Hitler did, so Malzi

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Tongue did. This is what they do. Those are fascist regimes.
By the way, Nazi stands for nationalists, socialist party. You
see socialists, not right wingers, socialists or quote unquote left wingers.
If you want to do the left right thing, which
I don't do on this show because it's sort of
pointless to me, it's really irrelevant, because we got to

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talk what is really is? All right, we've got to
be specific to say right and left? What does that
really mean anymore? And today's vernacular and in today's political environment,
what does that really mean? Conservative versus liberal? Well, okay,
what are you exactly conserving? Conservative? Big government? Light? Our

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constitution is against big government in any form, light or heavy.
Here are a lot of conservatives say when you get
back to the Constitution. I agree with them, but they're
okay with some with with a lot of big government
still intact. Well, you can't get back to what our
founding fathers gave us with gargantuan government mostly still intact.

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James Madison, chief arketed of the Constitution, said that the
powers delegated to the federal government are a few and defined.
It's a very small list, and it's very specific. And
if it ain't on that small list and specified, the
governor federal government can't do it. Now the states perhaps
could remember that the Tenth Amendment gives the watershed of

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power to the states and the people, not the federal government.
All right, So you can't have this both ways. And
what today is called a liberal is nothing compared to
let's say an Alandurshwitz type liberal, a civil libertarian, let's

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be more specific there, or a classic liberal, which is
what I would argue, by and large is what our
founding fathers were. Now. A classic liberal and a modern
liberal are two different species political animal. They are light
years apart from each other. But a modern liberal, if

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you want to use that term, is something completely different.
And this current Democrat party ain't the Democrat Party of JFK.
This is a whole different animal. And if last night
didn't start revealing that, I don't know what will I mean.
There were people like Governor Hochel Menh of New York

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that had to be pretty much drug kicking and screaming
to give a ringing endorsement, or even closer ringing endorsement,
not really even a ringing one of Madman Mom Donnie.
I don't think Chuck Schumer ever endorsed the guy. Hakeem
Jeffries finally went there a few days before the election,
but I think he had to sort of be pushed

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into it. And then he starts catching some heat from
Van Jones on CNN about how his speech went last night. Anywhere,
we're gonna get into all this. We'll get into all this.
Somebody that was really happy, and this ought to give
you a bit of a Canarian coal mine. Billionaire Alex Soros,

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Alex Soros, son of George Soros aka Count Chocula. Remember
Count Schocula. I'm giving away by age here, Remember Count Schocula.
I think George Soros is the voice of Count Schocula.
I I really do believe that he sounds just like him.
But anyway, Alex Soros, little Al Soros, he haild a

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socialist as or. On Manvani's victory, he said, American dream continues.
It's been ported by Sean morand Brightbart dot com. Alex Soros,
son of leftist billionaire megadowner George Soros, on Tuesday held
socialist Mount Donnie's election to become the next mayor of
New York City. Quote, so proud to be a New Yorker.

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I'll bet the American dream continues. Congrats me or Mom Donnie,
Sorel schrote, sharing a picture of him and Mom Donnie.
Couldn't wait to pose with him. Couldn't wait to pose
with the new dictator of New York City. George Soros
in twenty twenty three actually had a control over to
the families of the family's twenty five brillion that's with
a big billion plus philanthropic so called enterprise that bank

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rolls a whole lot of whack job causes. Let's just
put it that way in those terms otherwise known as
he opened Society Foundations. Anyway, he was real happy about
about Mom Donnie getting the gig, and a lot of

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folks had predicted that he was probably going to. It
wasn't by a huge margin. Cuomo actually didn't do too shabby.
Slew way the Republican canad Yeah, he pretty much went nowhere.
On that, he pretty much went nowhere. Uh, let's take
a pause. We get back. I'm gonna share some more

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articles with you, some sound clubs. But pretty much a
lot of elections took a very strong socialist turn last night.
It wasn't just New York City. It was not just
New York City, because the Democrat Socialists of America did
pretty darn well last night. They did pretty darn well

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all over the country, all over the map. I'll share
with you some of those elections to some of those places.
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Now the world's oldest living teenager, your host, Richie eld
Yes America woke up this morning as a more socialist
probably been ever nation. We've been heading down those tracks
for a while. I think We're about there. Cormadads and

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really some of these people that call himself socialists, like
Mom Donnie, that's camouflage. You're really communists. All right, let's
just put that out there. And I've said that before.
They're really communists. I mean, I'm just based on what
he's coming out of his mouth, and I can only judge.
Jesus said out the treasures of the heart and mouth
will speak, and I can only judge what's coming out
of Mom Donni's mouth. But he's not alone. Being reported

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by the Daily Caller News Foundation, Hudson Hudson Crozier christ
Democrat New York City mayor elect Mam Donnie was one
of at least six candidates backed by the Democratic Socialists
of America the DSA who won local offices across the
country that was last night. Kelsey Bond in Atlanta, Georgia,

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Denzil mccampbell and Detroit, Michigan, Danny Nowell in Caarboro, North Carolina,
Aya al Zubi in Cambridge, Massachusetts's and Frankie Fritz in
Green Belt, Maryland won city council races after receiving DSA endorsements,
and according to multiple reports, results show that DSA style

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radicals bucking the establishment left who Mam Donnie marked a
wider trend. In fact, in Minnesota, Democratic Minneapolis mayor Jacob
Frey and DSA backed Omar Fete completed their first round
of vote counting in the city's ranked choice voting system
Tuesday with Frey in the lead, but the Associated Press

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reported unofficial election results now show Will Burnley Junior, another
DSA candidate, lost against Jake Wilson in Somerville, Massachusetts. Mayroel
raised that According to The Tofts Daily, the DSA said
it endorsed eighteen candidates throughout the year. In a Tuesday
statement celebrating Mom Donnie's mayoral win, quote, the DSA will

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continue to support Democratic socialists or running for office to
out the United States as we build a political movement
of and for the working class. Now they claim that
they're for you, working class, they claim there for you.
I'm gonna show you in just a moment, how hypocritical
that is. That can defeat the oligarchy. And when the
political revolution these folks can't share themselves revolutionaries, not in

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the form of like our founding fathers, but in the
form of like you know, Marxists, okay, and that kind
of that type of revolution Banana republic type revolutions. Okay,
now they say they're for the working class. But mom,
Donnie wants to raise corporate taxes. Well, he's not alone.

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He has a lot of there's a lot of people
who do. There's people in the Republican Party that aren't
too are okay with that to a point. But let
me say what I have said out nausea about infhinomen
on this show, is that in the end, corporations don't
pay the taxes. Businesses don't pay the taxes. In the end,

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what the corporations do is they pass that tax hike
along to you, the consumer, so it becomes in the end,
really a consumption tax. Because here's how that works. The
corporation has to make money. Now, they might tighten their
belt a little bit and absorb a tiny bit of
that tax increase, but most of it is going to

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go out the door to you. And here's how they'll
do it by raising the car costs of the goods
and services. In order to stay profitable. They have to
do that, in order to keep the bottom line looking
decent and healthy. They have to do that, right, They
just don't eat it. For the most part. Anything that
costs the company money to do business. Any kind of

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business expense that they incur gets passed along in the
final price tag of the good and or service that
you purchase from that company. So when you go to
Walmart to buy your bag of chips, if that chip maker,
that chip producer I'm talking about, like you know, tortilla chips,
potato chips, if the snack producer gets hit with a

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big corporate tax increase and a bunch of government tax
increase expenses from wherever they have their facilities at and
from the state and Uncle Sam and so forth, well
guess what they have to do. They have to charge
more for that bag of chips. So when you go
to the store, mister and missus working class to buy

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your bag of chips, you're gonna pay more. And some
of you have noticed that, have you not, Yeah, because
corporations just starting paying their fire sharing, by golly, they
need to cough it out. They're a fat cat. Then
when they just sock it time right, and then some
folks are like, yeah, yeah, rotten corporation. And then you
go to the store and suddenly you're paying more for

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the bag of chips because you and mister and MSUs
politician want to shock it to the grady, mean corporation
child and they don't pay the tax. You do. Is
the light bulb going on over your head right now.
So when these folks say that they want to just

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really sock it to the man, and they want to
just really sock it to these companies. Actually what they're
saying is we're gonna really sock it to you because
in the end, you pay the tax. They don't have
the guts to come out and say, you know what,
we're gonna tax you because mister and missus working class,
you really aren't paying enough taxes. In the end, you're

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skating by and we want to be just like France
was about twenty or thirty years ago with about a
seventy percent tax rate. But see, they don't have the
guts to come out or the honesty to come out
and just ball they say that, because if they did,
you'd say, well the heck with you, and you'd end
up voting for somebody else. But if they camouflage it
by saying, well, we're gonna go after Joe's Chip Up

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Potato Chip Company and all the other companies that are
really just making too doar much money out there. We're
gonna really sock to these corporations. We're gonna really sock
into all these wealthy investors, all these wealthy types, we're
gonna churse. You know, they got tax sleips. They can
kind of dodge some of it. But it's those wealthy
types that tend to invest in companies. I think it

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was Rush Limbaugh who famously said, I never had a
poor man offer me a job, not one that paid anyway.
So when they sock into those folks, well, job tends
to kind of go down a little bit. Right in corporations,
they will belt tighten song. But in the end they'll
pass that. They'll pass that along to you. Now it's
not on your receipt. You know, when you go to

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the grocery store or Walmart or whatever to buy your
toothbrush and your and your bag of chips, they're not
going to have that corporate tax that so and so
was for it right there on the on the receipt.
They should, but right there on the receipt, so it's
a hidden tax that you don't really of course, you're
hitting the ground. Oh can't believe the price you're going
on it? Well, thank your politicians who want to say

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to you all the time, well, corporation painting or not.
You hear Bernie Sanders saying it all the time all
the time. Now, when people try to pin some of
these folks down, Okay, what would be the what would
be the corporate tax rate that you'd be happy with?
They can't quite give you an answer that's real solid. Well,

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because if they did, you'd be like, what that's insane? Yeah,
it is. H This from the article quote through Zorn's victory,
the people defeated the oligarchy, the working class defeated major corporation.
Sy There, democratic socialism defeated the Democratic Party status quo.

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DSA said this movement was powered by over ninety nine
thousand volunteers and millions of voters. Thousands of DSA members
and NYC DSA played critical roles in the campaign as
staff and volunteers, knocking doors, calling voters, etcetera, etcetera, you know,
being the usual activists that they are. And they worked hard.

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So that's how that works. You see. Our founders gave
us limited small, tiny government. Socialism needs big, giant government
with a lot of power and a lot of people
in that government with guns. Okay, who can knock on
your door and force you to do things if you
don't comply, colmanad that's how that works. Okay, that's how
it works. That's how it works in communists China. That's

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how it works down in Cuba. That's how it kind
of sort of works in Venezuela. This is how it
works in a lot of places. This is how it
worked back in the day under Mussolini. This outworked back
in the day under Stalin. This is out working back
in the day under there, I say, Adolf Hitler, Remember
NAZI stands for Nationalist Socialist Party. Okay, they weren't right wingers,

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they were left wingers. Socialists are quote unquote left wingers,
if you want to use the right left thing, which
again I think is sort of a bit vapid right
these days. It just it isn't there. Let's call it
what it is. It's all part of the Marxist virus. Now.
I do know that there are differences between socialism and

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communism and pure Marxism. I get that. I get that
there are differences, But the one vein, the one thread
that runs to them all is Marxism. Marxism so it
did pretty decently last night. In many places. Some places

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it was shot out of the settlement, and in many
places it did. It did pretty okay, and it continues
to do okay and more and more and more elections.
Therein lies the problem. Therein lies the danger. Socialism, communism, Marxism,
big government ism, if you will, does not blend with

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the kind of constitutional republic that our founding fathers gave
us a very limited small government in terms of the
federal government. Anyway, they don't go together. It's it's like
trying to mix oil and water. They don't mix. You
cannot mix those two. It's kind of one or the other.
Understand that you're gonna go You're gonna go one direction,

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or you're gonna go the other. Let's take a pause.
We get back seeing his van Jones, certainly no right winger,
had some things to say that went very flattering about
mom Donnie's let's just say horse stroded loud victory acceptance speech.
He kind of got he got a little dictatorish in

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his tone, and Van Jones was kind of taken aback
by that. I'm like, we really did you get kind
of uh, you get kind of concerned when a mosquito
acts like a blood sucking mosquito. This is this is
who the guy is. The mask is off, and I
suspect in the coming days it'll be more off as

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he's peeling it off. He's not even really a socialist.
He's crossing the line from socialism into communism. The man's
a communist. Van Jones was a little perturbed about it.

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Just stick around for the second hour. Coming on a
second hour, Lesie Barker, it's our guest. She's authored a
historical novel. And I'm sure of a buff on these
all my history buff anyway, but I kind of like
those historical novels anyhow. And it's based on an event
that happened known as the White Plague. Actually we'll get

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into her with what that's all about, but that hit
Saint Louis, Missouri in the eighteen seventies, and so this
historical novel is based on that historical event and then
a particular character in the novel that's portrayed and the
novel is called Safe in the Arms of Jesus. So
we're gonna be talking to her. That's going to be

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top of the next hour. She want to stick around
for that. CNN's Van Jones blasted Mom Donnie for pulling
a character switch. Actually, I think he was showing him
his real self at that point and his victory speech
just being reported by Daily call Her News Foundation Jason
Cohen c Inns. Van Jones criticized Democratic New York City
mayor in elect as all on My Mom Donnie on
Tuesday for appearing harsher in his victory speech, and he

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did during his campaign and I mean, Donnie spoke for
over twenty minutes after winning the race, seeming to scream throughout. Well,
that's kind of how dictators and I mean you look
at the at the old clips of Mussolini and some
of these guys, and a lot of these dictators over
the years, they get kind of ociferous, do they not.
I mean they kind of scream and holler and pound
the podium and shout and carry on, and I mean

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that's kind of part and parcel, is it not. I mean,
I think he was actually going into that character because
that's you know, that's kind of what he belives, how
he thinks he needs are all. I mean, I think
you're seeing the real mom Donnie. You know, he was
smiling and soft spoken and shaking hands and kissing babies,
and even when he was sort of getting blasted and
called on his malarkey, I'm trying to be careful here.

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It's Christian show. He's us an old timmy word there
for maloney sandwich a kbs. When he was called on that,
you know, he would just still sit there and kind
of grin and smile. You know, there's a little weird
grin on his faith. Now he can raw. Now he can,
he can really pound the podium and scream and shout,
and you know, to do all that he needs to do,

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flash whatever symbols he wants to flash. So let me
let you hear Van Jones wringing his hands about all this.
I'm thinking, dude, you know, a leopard doesn't going to
change its spots. You know, he may have put on
a zebra suit at that point, but he took it
off and you can see now the leopard spots. Now
you're seeing the real Mom Donnie. And he was a

(31:27):
bit taken aback. But I'm thinking the guy, if you'd
been listening to what he'd been saying carefully with his rhetoric.
I mean, least people tell you who they are, believe them,
believe them. Let me let you hear this clip.

Speaker 10 (31:43):
That's speech appeal to some, but I think he missed
an opportunity. I think the Mom Donnie that we saw
in the campaign trail, who was a lot more calm,
who was a lot warmer, who was a lot more embracing,
was not present in that speech. And I think that
Mom Donale is the one you need to hear from tonight.

(32:04):
There are a lot of people trying to figure out
can I get on this train with him or not?
Is he going to include me? Is he going is
he going to be more of a class warrior even
in office. I think he missed a chance tonight to
open up and bring more people into the tent. I
think its tone was sharp.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I think he was.

Speaker 10 (32:25):
Using the microphone in a way that he was almost yelling.
And that's not the mom downing that we've seen on
great interviews and stuff like that. So I felt like
it was a little bit of a character switch here
where the warm, open embracing guy that's close to working
people was not on stage night. And there was some
other voice on stage that said he's very young, and

(32:47):
he just pulled off something's very, very difficult, And I
wouldn't write him off, but I think he missed an
opportunity to open himself up tonight, and I think that
that will probably cost him going forward.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh okay, he's sharing now there by Van Jones Again,
he'd been watching and hearing what the guy had really
been saying. This is who he is. I think I
think last night was the real mom Donnie. You know,
the smiley mask. The smiley face came off and that
inner communist dictator came out. That's what you saw, and

(33:22):
it shocked Van Jones. Okay, anyway, seeing it's still paysing
pretty well to bither her on that on that show.
But pardon me, was just like, dude, which guy were
you watching? Because you shouldn't have been shocked by any
of that. I mean, the whole thing was phony, and
he was caught in a bunch of life, still along
about some things. Maybe last night he was still fibbing

(33:44):
about some stuff which I won't even go into. It's
not even worth getting into at this point in time.
One of the things that Mom will let you're another
clip from from Mom. Donnie uh he says, sort of
said the quiet part out loud after completing the takeover
of NYC, this also being worded by the Daily Color
News Foundation. Nicole Silverio Mamdonni held an overwhelming lead, of course,
amongst foreign born voters, while his opponent, Independent New York

(34:08):
City mayoral candidate Andrew Cuomo held a lead among American
born in New Yorkers. According to the Patriot Polling, the
incoming mayor went down the list of several ethnicities and
gave them thanks for his victory in the mayoral election
on Tuesday, when he defeated Cuomo with fifty point four
percent of the vote. So it wasn't like a huge
I mean, he's snuck past. He got the majority by

(34:30):
the scan of his teeth, if you will, by the
hair of his chiny chan chin. But he did it.
He did it really in large part by the votes
of people who haven't been here maybe all that long,
and people tend to vote what they're familiar with. A

(34:51):
lot of people that come to this nation are leaving
a place where they just don't have the opportunities that
they do here.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
Why.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Well, because they're usually leaving places that are so or
communist or something else crazy or maybe a monarchy, and
they're coming here where we have our constitutional republic. Here's
the problem. They're not really taught much about the constitutional republic. Well,
let's be honest, a lot of our own kids aren't
taught much about our constitutional republic. They're told we have

(35:19):
a full tilled democracy. No we don't. We have a
representative form of democracy. They'll like to say it sits
under the umbrella of a constitutional republic. We are not
a democracy, gang, we are a constitutional Republic. That is
what our founders gave us. But these people are used
to socialism, so when somebody hits the ground running, that
kind of sounds like folks back home a little bit

(35:41):
and something a little familiar to well, that's what they
gravitate towards, So that sort of makes sense. In fact,
Patriot Polling's a survey found that mom Nanni held sixty
two percent support among Ford born voters, while Cuomo earned
twenty four percent of their support. On the contrary, Cloma
received forty percent support among American born in New Yaukus,
while ma'am Donnie had only thirty one percent of Americans support,

(36:07):
and he did for a serious debicit amongst Jewish and
Catholic voters, but held a substantial lead among quote other religions,
including Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, et cetera. Again that according to
a Patriot poelling. In fact, while giving a speech in October,
mom Donney held back tears as he recounted the allegi
discrimination that his Muslim aunt endured on the subway after

(36:27):
nine to eleven. Mam Donnie later admitted that the woman
in question was actually not even his aunt. Yeah, oh
a politician that fid please tell me that did not happen. Yeah. Well,
you see, there's alost of reasons that Mam Donnie, Mam
Donnie feels good, cool with with lying. Uh, that's that's

(36:52):
just part of his of his belief system. He's not alone.
A lot of politicians of all different stripes of persuasions
will would probably agree with him deep down on some
of that. But he has reason to do that. But
let me let you hear Mom Donnie talking about that
clip over here on that.

Speaker 11 (37:18):
Thank you to those so often forgotten by the politics
of our city who made this movement their own. I
speak of Yemeny bodega owners and Mexican abuelas, Senegalese taxi
drivers and who's beck nurses, Trinidadian line coachs, and Ethiopian aunties, yes,

(37:46):
aunties to every New Yorker in Kensington and Midwood and
hans Port.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah. Yeah, So there you have it. First, openly quote
unquote socialist. I think he's really more communist and socialists,
but nevertheless Mayor of Nueva York City. Uh, and he's
screwed us a little over fifty percent, just a harow

(38:17):
of fifty percent. Of the vote according to some of
the final vote tallies that they had from all the
precincts and districts and everything coming in there in New
York City. And I don't think anybody is surprised. I'll
tell what kind of surprised me is that he actually
didn't win by a greater margin. So it's and I
don't know he won it. He won it, you know,

(38:41):
and you can be close because close close does count
in elections. Horseshoes and antimbalms, as they say. So he
won the thing. But today it looks like we are
in some ways once again to America's You Got One
Red and One Blue being imported by Mark Penn Andrew

(39:02):
Stein Real clear Wire. Even back in the days of
Charles Manson, a violent cult leader, there were pockets of
people who cheered and reveled in violence, But all too
common today are the group the groupies who adulate the
CEO killer, the social media maven who praises the assassination
of Charlie Klirk, or the miscreant who says they wish

(39:22):
presidential assassins had been successful. In today's social fueled world,
every heinous act of violence spawns a great majority of
people of condemning it, and a smaller counter reaction of
people who cheer it and call for more. Maybe this
was always the case, but those who supported such violence
could not as easily ban together as they can today.

(39:45):
Social media allows the violence lovers to find the like
minded individuals. Kirk heldon elected offices. Only weapons were words
and open debate. Despite this, nearly one in five Americans
shockingly declared in surveys that his assassination was just a
The pass of such thoughts is clear the opposition on

(40:05):
the quote left characterize A. Kirk's positions as hate, despite
his willingness to debate anyone anywhere. Once his speech was
even characterized as violence, the resultant deadly violence became justified.
Almost three and four voters seventy two percent to cry
to Day's polarizing political rhetoric as cause of contemporary violence.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
No.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Over four and five state it is unacceptable for their
own political party to use violence to achieve its aims. Notably, though,
seventy four percent of GOP voters see democrats rhetoric as
to extreme compared to just twenty compared to just to
twenty seven percent who call their own party extreme The
effect is mirrored on the other side of the aisle,
with eighty four percent of Democrats calling the GOP two extreme,
but a mere thirty three percent saying the same of

(40:44):
their own party. This drive of the parties to polarize
the electorate rather than convinced swing voters is reflected in
the current pointless government shut down. The political coin of
the realm these days is in satisfying the base with
increasingly incendiary words and actions. That said, voters from all
sides agree on the destructive role of social media, with

(41:06):
sixty four percent stating that this is across the board
saying that social media encourages violent behavior. Solid eighty five
percent agreed that talking heads in the media celebrating Charlie
Kirk's death were inappropriate. At the same time, though voters
are strong believers in the First Amendment. Of the same group,
fixt four percent stated that Jimmy Kimmel's late night show
should not have been suspended over Kimmell's comments about Kirk's death,

(41:29):
and fifty eight percent even supported his return to late
night television. And that's the thing about the First Amendment.
It requires some level of self restraint, responsibility, or it
becomes the amendment that allows society to destroy itself, or
it allows the forces who want to destroy society to
masquerade as merely those who would question it. It requires
vigilance and allowing political debate, but also in finding fair limits.

(41:50):
The Jay Jones scandal is a case in point. He
called for the killing of his political opponents and appeared
to be quite serious about it. Predictably, he called them
hitler and said that is should be done with two
bullets to the head. Despite these inflammatory sentiments, Jones remains
committed to his bit of all jobs attorney general of Virginia,
which you want, He got it by a very large margin.

(42:11):
Though it's difficult for us understand how someone willing to
threaten killing his political opponents remains an appropriate candidate for
attorney general and now is the attorney general. Governor JB.
Pritzker of Illinois and others are villainizing the ICE agents
in dire language that is an open invitation of violence
on ICE agents. Pritzkert claimed they were going after a
few gang members and instead they broke windows, they broke

(42:33):
down doors, they ransacked the place. They are the ones
that are making it a war zone. Ice agents are
being accused essentially of kidnapping people randomly on the streets
based on racial profiling and disappearing them, as was done
by the Argentine a junta, and the result is encouraging
violence against federal officials. It's easy to condemn violence, but

(42:54):
harder to do something about it. For starters, we need
to buipartisan group of lawmakers to come together and stand
clearly in an equip for bringing down the political temperature.
They should agree on a set of basic principles outlining
the bounds of attack language, which must include no longer
calling opponents hitler and other names that function to justify violence.
They should condemn the recent political assassinations and attempted murders unequivocally,

(43:16):
without exceptions or thinly veiled justifications. Finally, these lawmakers should
call on the remind of the remainder of Congress to
sign on to these principles as a clear rebuke of
political violence and extreme rhetoric. Second, they need a draft
legislation that makes social media responsible for hosting and spreading
calls for violence. Section two thirty needs to be rewritten
to give social media platforms an explicit obligation to plomperty

(43:40):
remove content that calls for violence. Well that's a judgment call.
Though you can quote the Bible and some people consider
that violence. Therein lies the rub my words, these are
my words. That won't cure the problem, but it will
put the social media channels on notice that they need
to be dilligent about removing at least the most extreme

(44:04):
rhetoric within twenty four to forty eight hours. But then again,
who is the definer of extreme rhetoric? Because again the
lovely missus l made a comment about about whether it
was positive about God. This is about two weeks ago,
and even threw up and even threw up a Bible verse.
It got flagged, he got pulled down. Did at violated

(44:28):
community standards? And I mean it was something really I
mean innocuous. It was just I mean it was just
like what But somebody got their niggers in a nod
because she dared quote the Bible. See, this is this
is what I'm saying, who are the arbiters of what
is this stuff?

Speaker 12 (44:45):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
This is where I depart from this article. I sort
of agree with it in part, but then this is
where I depart from it. There doesn't need to be
government legislation requiring censorship. Now maybe I'm a little hypersensitive
of that because of what I do right here on
this show. And I've been soft censored, if you will,

(45:06):
by by a couple of social media sites. And I've
been uh, sort of soft blocked, if you will, where
my You know, they didn't they wouldn't just take my
stuff down, plain and simple, because they knew I blast
back at them, but they made it to where it
was difficult for other people to see the stuff. Let's

(45:27):
put it that way. I suddenly vanished from a lot
of people's social media feeds, and where are you Moon,
I'm doing the same stuff I've been doing. Then it
began to dawn on mean, some numbers were going down,
and I'm thinking, wait a minute, why are these page
impressions going down, down, down, down down down. I mean
they were pretty high at one point. Now they're you know,
hardly anybody What's what's going on? So I was soft
censored a little bit. That's a term I like to you.

(45:48):
Some people call it shadow banning. I call it soft censoring.
And then we saw if the last administration did leaning
in on social media to force them to take things down,
which is censorship by proxy. First Amendment is against censorship
by the government in any fashion or forum pretty much,
with only a handful of exceptions. There are such laws

(46:09):
for liable all right. You can't just I mean, yeah,
you can't yell fire in a crowd of theater unless
there is one, so there are some guardrails around it. Yes,
but I'm to the point where let's err on the
side of maybe being a little too loose with the

(46:31):
freedom of speech and too tight on it. And when
government types start defining what is and what is not
acceptable speech across the board and leaning in on social
media outlets or newspapers or podcasts or whoever, talk shows, whatever,
that makes me nervous because what's next, because I've lived

(46:55):
long enough. Not when you when you give government an inch,
they tend to take about ten miles. We've seen this
happen in history. We've seen it happen to some extent
in our own history. But yeah, there are kind of
two Americas emerging. And yes, the Democrat who sent death

(47:15):
wish text won the top law enforcement office in Virginia,
being born of Carlos Carcia J. Jones, defeated the incumbent
Republican Attorney General Jason mi Otis was beaten, it wasn't
a huge margin, but was beaten by Jay Jones. And
I said Jay Jones might have a shot at winning
because already three and fifty thousand ballots early voting ballots

(47:38):
had gone out and those tendelling Democrat anyway, he probably
got the majority of those, so he already probably had
a built in cushion there. And something about Virginia that
some of you who don't live here or don't keep
up with politics here and understand if you don't, it
could be a bit mind bending. Anyway, in this more
or less purpleish state, you've got about five or six
counties that ring or are awful close to the suburbs

(48:02):
of if you want to calm that Washington, d c.
And you've recently had in that part of Virginia roughly
giver to take about one hundred and forty thousand laid
off government workers that live in that area who are
not real happy with anything Republican, especially the president. They
would vote for a Democrat if that Democrat were a
serial killer, because they hate Republicans that much and hain'te

(48:27):
the current administration that much that is a Democrat enclave.
Roughly two million people live in approximately a half a
dozen or so counties that are just south of a
sort of ring, if you will, semi circle if you will.
The DC Metro area are a part of the DC
Metro that circled the Alexandria District of Columbia that region.

(48:52):
And then you've got a couple of precincts in the
Richmond area that tend to always vote Democrat no matter what.
Heck or high Water, got a couple of them in door,
couple of the Newport News in the tile Water region.
So when you combine all that, it's about two and
a half plus million voters. And there's only about forty
half million people that live in the state of Virginia,
give her take. So when those folks vote, and they

(49:13):
tend to always vote Democrat, and they tend to out
number Repubs or Independence way more than anybody, they tend
to carry the state. Okay, So you've got about six
counties and about half a dozen precincts, give or take,
that carry this state regardless of how the rest of
the state votes. And if you look at electoral maps,
you know by county or whatever. This is a I mean,

(49:34):
this is a blood red state. It is red red, red,
red red. But you got these little blue dots and
a few blue counties. But those counties have a high
concentration of folks in them, a lot of whom work
for the federal government who are all about big government,
not big government like, but full on big government, as

(49:55):
most Democrats are. And they swing Democrat. They've got a
dog to hunt. I mean, if the government gets trimmed down,
they lose jobs, doesn't work real well for them. So
they're gonna vote for the site in which their bread
is buttered. That's sort of human nature. I'm not just
I'm not saying it's right necessarily or necessarily justifying. I'm

(50:16):
just saying that's just that's how they're gonna vote because
they've got a dog in the hunt. They've got something
to gain directly personally or lose. If they're a Democrat,
canidate doesn't get in there regardless of the background. Span Burger,
I don't trust her. Why I can say this now,
it's INTENTI elections that were why, because she's a former
CIA person. I don't trust anybody who used to work
for the CIA. Can you say, George H. W. Bush.

(50:40):
So we've got somebody who used to work for the
CIA running the state of Virginia. Okay, wonderful. Yeah, there
we go. So let that let that sink in. Uh,
then we've got this and this woman law lost. She

(51:07):
she was running to be a a city council person
in Helena, Montana, and she yeah, she went off the
rails and a rage with a rage rhetoric unleased at
a US senator. It's being imported by Bob bunder rolling
a daily In fact, social media reacted, so it might
need a bigger mental institution anyway. But a lot of folks, uh,

(51:32):
you know, across the country have been unleashing rage rhetoric
with foaming at the mouth episodes of dysfunction in recent months,
calling you know, President trumpaler and everything else. Now they're
insults and sometimes demands for physically impossible actions, even threats,
and the affection has spread even to mostly Republican Montana,
where one political candidate, Haley McKnight, who did lose your

(51:52):
bid for a city council person for Helena, Montana, Helena, Montana,
should say, her name is Haley McKnight, and she's seeking
to be a city commissioner there oddly thought that her
campaign would be enhanced by vile, vicious verbal assault on
senter tim she who was a Republican, And I had
to edit this, you know, do the beeps, but I'm

(52:14):
gonna let you hear it. I'll let you hear what
she said. And I had to go in there with
a lot of beeps. Okay, so it's uh, here we go.

Speaker 13 (52:36):
Hi, this is Haley mc canna, and I just wanted
to let you know that you are the most insufferable
kind of coward and a thief. You just stripped away
healthcare for seventeen million Americans, and I hope you're.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
Really proud of that.

Speaker 13 (52:50):
I hope that one day you get pancreatic cancer and
it spreads throughout your body so fast that they can't
even treat you for it. I hope that you die
in the street like a dog. I one day you're
gonna live to regret this. I hope that your children
never forgive you. I hope that you are infertile. I

(53:11):
hope you never managed to ever again. You are the
worst pieces I've ever ever ever had the misfortune of
looking at. And you don't serve montanas. You serve your
own private interests. All that you have done since you've
gotten into power is h do for yourself. God forbid

(53:32):
that you ever meet me on the streets, because I
will make you regret it.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (53:36):
I hope you die.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, said that to a sitting senator. Uh, there's you know.
I'm not I'm known lawyer and I'm not a judge,
but I know you kind of start pushing it into
the legal realm and having the guys, you know, the
take of service guys show up on your porch about
two in the morning knocking on the door. Can we
have a conversation with you? Can you come out here
with us to the you know, the dark van that's

(54:01):
on the street, and we're gonna talk to you for
a minute about what you said to the center. Anyway,
she lost, by the way, in that bid. Some of
the folks wanted she lost that lost that election. I think,
well and just fi'll be so she didn't do so
hot last night to Tuesday night in the election. Crazy crazy.

(54:25):
This woman needs our prayers. She needs Jesus bad and
needs some help. She definitely needs some help. We're moving
into the second hour now, coming up in fact, get ready,
we're going to have our guest for this evening. She
is Leslie Barker. She has written a book that you

(54:46):
could call a historical novel, and it takes place in
the late eighteen hundreds where there was this white plague,
as it was called, and it hit this family in
Saint Louis. And she's going to talk about that it
was this was this was during again the late eighteen hundreds,

(55:07):
and it took a lot of took a lot of
folks lives, put a lot of people in bed, and
a lot of folks died. You don't hear about it
too much in history, but it was just one of
those weird little plagues that just kind of you know,
would pop up just for various reasons. Back in those days,
they didn't have all the meads and things that they
do now, the sanity and the type of the sanitary
editions that we do now. But anyway, it's an historical
novel and it's called Safe in the Arms of Jesus.

(55:30):
And she is going to be our guest coming up
here in just a few moments, so you want to
stick around for that. We've got more Christian talk that
rocks straight ahead again. As we move into the second hour,
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Ll exactly.

Speaker 15 (57:33):
No one is too old to put their trust in
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for my grandparents for so many years, and then finally,
when my grandpa was in his late seventies, he decided
to follow Jesus. Now, his health was declining and he
started to have strokes, and just before he died, I
was able to share the Gospel of Jesus with my grandma,

(57:53):
and at two in the morning, she made a decision
to follow Jesus for the first time. She shouted down
the hallway, Jesse, you can sleep well tonight.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I believe what you believe.

Speaker 15 (58:03):
And I ran to the hospital the next day and
told my grandpa, and as tears came down from his eyes,
he just knew not only would he be in heaven,
but my Grandma would. To keep praying for people, keep
sharing the.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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You never know at what age they're going to decide
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I'm kind of in the mood for some stimulating conversation.

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Get in. I'm a discussion man line to a rope.
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We're really excited about Leslie Marker. pH D. Leslie is
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creates enterprises and transportation for adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities.
Show the PhD from the University of Leicester, England. I'm
not sure if I'm pronouncing that correct. She'll correct me
here in a moment. I'm sure if miscorrect. Mispronounced that
in museum studies, where she concentrated all museum interpretation and
particularly the interpretation of race at the American Historic House Museum.

(01:01:10):
She is the former executive director of the Baldock House Museum,
now the center of a French colonial America. She has
written an incredible historical novel, and I'm kind of a
fan of historical novels because I'm sort of a history nerd,
and it sounds like she may be as well. We'll
probably get into some eyeglazing history stuff here, I'm sure
before it, bear with us, because that's how we history

(01:01:32):
nerds role. Anyway, she has written in an historical novel
about something known as the White Plague that actually was
killed a lot of folks. And it's this novel that
she has written, called Safe in the Arms of Jesus,
is based on a real event that happened, and it's
in the city of Saint Louis and then a particular

(01:01:54):
character in that historical novel. Again, I'm a huge fan
of historical novel, so I'm really excited to have you
on the show to day. Leslie, Well, that's.

Speaker 7 (01:02:02):
Wonderful, thank you so much. You had a mouthful of
unfamiliar words in you. It's the University of Leicester and
Leicester English.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Okay, okay, you know it's it's kind of well, you know,
the British kind of have those weird names of stuff
because because like there's Worcestershire sauce exact well, yeah, I
call it Worcesiter. Somebody say Worcester, Worcester I've heard to
pronounced eighty different ways.

Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
That's actually that's actually a shire in England. I lived
in Worcestershire for a year. That's actually where I became
a Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Wow. And then interesting, well, and it's one of my
favorite sauces. I married the Missish, the lovely mississ l
will tell you in fact, uh, we we had some
really cheap steaks I bought at the story the other
night I was working to afford uh, and we marinated
them in uh in Worcestershire sauce yes, And I've even
seen some people on that. We watch it is one

(01:02:54):
cooking channel that the Lovely missus l and I walk
like to watch. And this guy calls it it's kind
of it's kind of crude, little Volga, but he called
he doesn't call it Worcester sauce. He calls it washed
your Sister sauce because he because he says, because he says,
he can't say the Worcester. And I'm like, well, and
my late mother god arrested. She said worcester Shire sauce
for years until somebody corrected her.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
Everybody's trying, you know, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Getting they're giving it a shot. But it sounds like
you're definitely working in the museum stuff. You're a history person,
it appears, and you've written this historical novel. And of
course I'm thinking of other historical novels like, for example,
Killer Angels, which became, of course later the movie Gettysburg Uh,
kind of an historical novel of sorts. There's so many

(01:03:38):
out there that you know that that tend to kind
of hit. And and I love him because again, being
a history not myself, and here living in Virginia, of
course we're surrounded by you know, you walk down the
street and you know, here's where George Washington, uh, you know,
laid down and took a nap one day or whatever
under this tree kind of thing. So there in a
land that's rich of history. Here where I'm at. I mean,
you know, I just I can go on. We could,

(01:03:58):
I could do a whole probably two show, just chatting
with you about history. But then you know, we'd everybody
be bored, and we'd have like one listener lab not
including you and me.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
I don't know that they be bored.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
If we do a good well, if we did yeah,
if we do it right, that's certainly true. What is
the This is one of one of the questions I
was sort of thinking as a listener who might be
bored with history, He's probably okay, well, okay, are you
talking to this all your time about history?

Speaker 7 (01:04:19):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
What is the White Plague? What was that?

Speaker 7 (01:04:22):
It's a tuberculosis place. So well, it was a major
tuberculosis epidemic that struck Saint Louis and other places in
the late eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Now, was it just concentrated mostly in kind of the
center of the nation, or did it kind of go
coast to coast or what was sort of the.

Speaker 7 (01:04:42):
History of that, you know, I don't know the exact
answer to that. I know it decimated, especially the African
American population in Saint Louis because they, of course were
the servant class, so they were taking care of the
people who were the most pages at the end of
their lives. But it, you know, tuberculosis didn't have any

(01:05:07):
any cure at that point, you know, and so it
was a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
And you used actual newspaper accounts and newspaper stories, yeah,
to sort of flesh out this novel correct.

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
Yeah, And it's it's pretty short, it's only ninety something pages,
so it's more like a novella. But you know, it
all started when my mother in law gave me a
set of letters that had been written in eighteen eighty
six from Ben Edwards, who was the first of the

(01:05:42):
if you know, the investment firm Ah Edwards and Sons.
One was the first of the Sons. So he wrote
a series of letters to the woman who would become
his wife, Isabelle Woods in eighteen eighty six, and he
was traveling from Saint Louis Francisco and checking out bank

(01:06:05):
potential job opportunities as the nation was expanding, and the
Transcontinental Railroad had just you know, been completed, and and
so he wrote this series of letters and it was
they were not courting yet, but they give you a
real view of the world. Because Ben didn't care much

(01:06:27):
about relationship or emotions, but he did care about trains,
railroad incidents, banks, especially bank failures, and church. So he
stopped at Presbyterian churches along the way and and and
just gave very detailed accounts of what he saw. Like

(01:06:52):
he writes to Isabelle, I don't know if you've ever
seen a wash out. He gives you this minute description
of what happened to the train tracks and and all
of the inconveniences that it was. Anyway, so these letters
I just have his side. I don't have her responses.

(01:07:12):
But she kept them and and they married and lived
in her father's house, and she nursed her father, her mother,
and her mother in law until they all died of tuberculosis.
And then she contracted it. And so what I was,

(01:07:36):
you know, I this is the family that I married into, actually,
you know, several generations later. But but I was just
captured by these letters and then by the stories that
you know Isabelle was married, she had a three year
old son named Albert, and here she is knowing that

(01:07:57):
she's dying as well. And the marriage was was difficult
because Ben was more inflexible than not. Everybody who knew
him that I heard about when they were all older
agreed about that. And so I'm looking at at the

(01:08:21):
the the sorrow. But you know, how does this woman
who really does know the Lord prepare for herself for
her imminent death, knowing that she's leaving a three year
old and watching everything was orchestrated. What I had envisioned
was that she she's in her bedroom with her servant, Lizzie,

(01:08:47):
and the only other person that comes into the bedroom
officially is doctor Barker, as in my last name Barker,
because the Barker's married Edwards, and there's all kinds of
stuff there, and then her brother Matt meeks in every
so often. But the other characters just appear in her doorway,

(01:09:10):
her little boy, her husband, and her younger sister who
has been raising her son Isabelle's son while she nurses
the mothers. And then she died, and so Flora, the
younger sister, ends up not in this book, but ends
up marrying then and raising Albert. So I'm captured by

(01:09:34):
these initial letters, and I'm captured by the sadness of
the whole situation. And I thought, well, if I could,
and if I could find newspaper articles from the week
that Isabelle died. So she died on March fourth, eighteen

(01:09:58):
sixty five. I'm sorry, eighteen, that's not right, eighteen ninety seven,
May second. She was born on March fourth. She died
on May second, eighteen ninety seven, and that was a Sunday.
So I went to the archives, and I looked up

(01:10:18):
at the newspaper at the time was the Saint Louis
Globe and Globe Democrat. And I looked in the microfish
and I found the week that the last week of
her life. And I looked specifically for articles about railroads,
about banks, and about church news. And then I matched

(01:10:44):
the letters. So Ben had written a letter on a
Monday that described a certain situation. I looked for something
parallel that happened the last Monday of Isbel's but death,
and I envisioned Ben coming into the doorway and sharing
the news and then going off to work on his

(01:11:04):
like clockwork, like he always would. And then Isabelle taking
refuge in the letters and going back to a letter
that was written on Monday, and that mixes with you
know her as she stayed over the week, she's more
and more kind of not able to to to to

(01:11:28):
just be present to everything and everyone, and and her imagine,
you know, she's she's an imaginative woman of faith who
who just really I think, had a sad life. She'd
also lost two babies before this, so it was just
it's just sad. But but I envisioned her as a

(01:11:52):
woman who had switched full of hope, knew Jesus. I
wanted her son to grow up in a world full
of stories. And that's where her grief is because her sister,
who's going to end up raising her son, is one
of these people who doesn't want anything that's not real.

(01:12:15):
She doesn't like stories. She wants just the facts man
and Ben is also like that, and so Isabelle is
just grieving that her son may grow up in a
world without stories. And so it mixes all the stories
from the family history and it's just it's an interplay.

(01:12:36):
And then the only person she has a real intimate
dialogue with is Lizzy, so the woman who is her
nurse and she was a little girl.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
So the book is titled Safe in the Arms of Jesus.
By the way, for those for those listening, you can
go to Christian while we're speaking, you can go to
Christian talkthrocks dot com if you go to the guest
page and there you'll see some of it from about
our author this evening, Leslie, and you'll see a link there.

(01:13:07):
Click on that link that will take you to Amazon
and that will take you to her page where the
book is available, and you'll see information there about Leslie
Parker and then that book, and while we're discussing this,
you can maybe click on in order at least learn
a little more about it. My late mother, Leslie was
she well, she she had a degree in psychology and

(01:13:29):
all that, but she did a lot of counseling centered
around death and dying. She actually worked at a VA
hospital where we were living here in Virginia at the
time when I was a kid. She worked at the
VA hospital up here in Salem, Virginia's up the road
at away from where I'm sitting. And of course she
she counseled and dealt with a lot of terminally ill veterans.

(01:13:49):
Then later on in life, a letter years of her
life after we'd all moved back to Texas, which is
where I'm originally from, and her as well. She was
living in a Dallas area and volunteer heard at a
senior center slash nursing nursing home and again and again
did the counseling for those who are terminally ill. One
of the things that she told me, And I'm sort

(01:14:10):
of thinking about all this because in essence, you know,
your main character here, she's termally ill in a sense.
I mean, she's in that death and dying stage. She's
facing the final moments of her life, and then going
through all of that that's going through a person's head.
My mother said that there was usually for most people
who knew the Lord. And she said this is particular

(01:14:33):
for most people who knew the Lord, that they would
sort of go through these various steps or stages of
grief and then ultimately coming to a place of peace
and acceptance about the whole thing. If they had, you know,
that saving relationship in Christ. Now, if they didn't, it
was a different story sometimes. But she said that was

(01:14:53):
a pattern that she noticed throughout this entire time in
volunteering at these different facilities where she was hounsling people
who are dying. Uh, how did some of that, I
guess you say, psychology of all this sort of play
into your development of the character and and and the
whole story. I mean, apart from just the letters and
the and the other things that you had access to.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
Well, you know, I had just both of my parents
had died fairly recently when I wrote the book, and
so I had watched the one who knew the Lord
and the one who did not know the Lord, you know.
And I've been present at the death of several people.
And you're right, you know, the people who know Jesus
have had a hope, you know, and the future and

(01:15:39):
there is not fear. Right. So that was that, Yes,
I was thinking about that. I was. I was just
you know, I own Isabelle's dresser drawers. I have a
person describe in the in the book. I've seen picks,

(01:16:00):
I've seen the home that she died, and I've met
her Ben's other children that he had by his his
by by Isabelle's sister Flora, you know. So I said,
all these stories of the family and the family, the
Edwards family and and the Age Edwards Company initially was

(01:16:23):
was built by people of faith. And and the way
they faith death is is that it's it's a promotion,
you know, it's And if you go to Bell Thompson Cemetery,
which is one of the largest cemeteries in Saint Louis, Missouri,

(01:16:45):
you can find the Edwards graves and the Barker graves.
Many of them have edged in the tombstone that phrase
safe in the arms of Jesus. So that's where the
title came from. It's right on her tombstone. So that
always captured me when I was first part of that family,

(01:17:05):
and and we would go to that cemetery and I'd
see all these that legacy of faith that's just edged
in stone, and that's generations old. Just captured. I mean this, this,
I believe the book is is worth readings because it's

(01:17:26):
beautiful and it's interesting, but it's also you know, it's
just it just the authentic faith that I you know,
I never met Isabelle obviously, and I never met Ben,
and I never met Albert. They had all passed before
I was even in Saint Louis. But excuse me. They

(01:17:52):
the stories that have come down to the family, of
their faith and and and their quirks, you know, like
then left the firm that his father started to be
the president of another bank. But the reason he left
ag Edwards was because they used red ledger books and

(01:18:18):
read as a carnal color, and so he couldn't handle that.
He thought they were being just wrong, you know. So
I think the inflexibility of his personality that that might
be diagnosed today as somebody on the Asberg or autism spectrum,

(01:18:39):
and the complications that that inserts into a marriage. I
was playing with all of those ideas, and you know,
just thinking what would it be like to grow up
in a world without stories. That was where her grief
was for her little boy as she's dying, as I

(01:19:02):
imagine it. Well, I think, you know, writing writing something
like this, you know, you start with with the bones.
You know, I had the letters, and I had the
newspaper articles, and I had some tangible objects, and and
then then you have to let the you know, let
it just kind of write itself. You have to let

(01:19:24):
the characters the speak and become imaginary. Yeah, it is fiction,
you know, even though there's very clear anchors that they're historical.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Right, And it seems like that's that's the the best way,
I guess you could say, the successful way for the
historical novels or novellas like yours that I have had
the opportunity to read over the years, that when you
really sort of put flesh on the bones, when you
have the historical backdrop and the historical you know, real
historical things that are around this particular person or perhaps

(01:19:58):
character as the case may be, or a character based
on a real person. However that that works out with
certain authors, but it seems like once they once they
allowed the the put the real flesh on the bones
of the primary character and allow that character to to
breathe and grow and have foibles and have failings and

(01:20:19):
you know, be human, so to speak, not just sort
of a marble person from way back. When that that
seems to bring those you know, those folks to life.
One of the things about that time period, and even
going back further in the eighteen hundred and seventeen hundred
and sixte hundreds, in the early days of our American history,

(01:20:40):
and even in the adolescent period of our American history,
and moving into the industrial deep into the industrial era,
which this you know is in right but right on
the cusp of the progressive era, the change of the
century there. But it seems like maybe from the progressive
era back or the beginning of the pgressive era back, people,
it seems to me in this country had kind of,

(01:21:02):
i don't want to say a lot of a fair
attitude about death, but just they knew it was they
really knew it was part of the landscape. It was
it was a part of life. Because the mortality rates
seemed to be comparatively speaking, compared for the most part
to today's mortality rates minus all the wars we fought
in the last century were so much higher. And when

(01:21:23):
you go back and look at old like I've been
doing some family research on my family, my wife's family,
and it seems like, you know, you'll see, okay, they
had it'll say, you know, in the family record or
in the on the in the archives or whatever, they
had three children that survived to adulthood. But they had
five kids, okay, which means they lost you or And
it's interesting how many husbands marry twice, not because of

(01:21:45):
the divorce, but because the first wife died. You know,
that death was such Yeah, that death was such a
part of the landscape. But then again, so was faith.
It's almost like they were you know what I'm saying,
like they were parallel, Like they understood that, Okay, you know,
there's a good possibility my kids have my kids may
not make it to adulthood, my wife not even or
my husband may not make it, you know, ten years

(01:22:06):
past our our you know, our wedding vows. But then again,
they had this this underpinning of faith because those that
was a predominantly kind of a religious time that was
you know, that was when people would read and I'm
thinking even pre Civil War and in the UH in
that particular era that there's a name for it. That

(01:22:27):
just went blank and that just went blank on that.
But anyway, had to send your moment there. But anyway,
in that particular area, when when when people would read
in their parlor the King James version of the Bible,
which started gaining a popularity in the early mid eighteen hundreds,
it was hit there and read it, you know, instead
of playing like you know, we sit around and play
games or whatever, watch TV or playing monopoly, they didn't
do They would sit around and pass the Bible around

(01:22:48):
and read the King James, or they would read Shakespeare
or whatever, and that was part of their their their
parlor entertainment, if you will, you know, late on a
winter night. And so I'm very struck by that how
people just sort of dealt with things and moved in
life in that particular era. I find going back even
into the seventeen hundreds and sixteen hundreds, I find it
very fascinating.

Speaker 7 (01:23:09):
Yeah. Now, I will say from the family point of view,
the the Barker Edwards family still does that. They still
have devotions around the table after dinner every night, and
it's passed. You know, it's not it's not because somebody
got saved and tried to install a new habit. It's

(01:23:31):
something that's been sent down to that talk about you
know that this is these are the passages the pastor
preached on. You'll be very interested to look at that,
you know, right in letters. I mean, that's just beyond

(01:23:52):
what I was raised in a secular family in New
York City, you know, so you know, these things were
new to me when I I first met the Lord.
But but it's it's a legacy that you're right, is
long term. I know, like if I have a historical
period where I'm really an expert, it would be uh,

(01:24:14):
French colonial mid Mississippi Valley Americans, right, you know, because
you know I ran that museum. But we used to talk,
you know, when we have visitors come to the museum,
we we would discuss how you know that people didn't
even expect their children to live to adulthood until they

(01:24:39):
were five years old. Yeah, because of the combination of
childhood diseases and right, you know, plague, you know, malaria
and whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Life on the front life on the frontier anyway, it
was just harsh to begin with. You know, it's already
the odds, right, there's so many things that could happen.
And then but even after the frontier kind of got
quote unquote civilized, the retality rates are still a lot
higher than than what we're used to do. I mean,
a person could could die literally from just a mile

(01:25:13):
case of the flu or just a real bad cold.
You could you could kill over back in those days.
I mean, it was it was horrible.

Speaker 7 (01:25:19):
Right. Well, now this story is actually set later late
nineteenth century, right, right, and it's it's you know, more gilded.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Uh more the guilded era.

Speaker 7 (01:25:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean just it's just a few years
before the Saint Louis World's Fair in nineteen oh or
it was a very wealthy family and culture. You know,
these people are the bankers for you know, ag Edwards
was the last appointee that Lincoln made to the Federal

(01:25:51):
Reserve system. So he was the head of the Federal
Reserve Bank in Saint Louis. And this is his son Ben.
So you know, it's this is not wilderness. You know.
Saint Louis, Oh yeah, right, right, was a city in
seventeen sixty four, right, so you know, this is the
eighteen nineties, so you know, it's it's it's still a.

Speaker 12 (01:26:17):
Time before modern medicine for sure, before the convenience that before,
you know, and a lot of people were were at
risk in different ways and.

Speaker 7 (01:26:28):
Of course the you know, you didn't live as long.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Yeah, And it seemed like there was it seemed like
there was a series and just in side again it's
of the family research I've done that there was a
series especially in the South, or maybe the mid South
or the center part of the country, you know, southern Missouri,
let's just say southern Missouri down to Texas and over
to the east coast. From that general region along the
Mason Dixon line in South it seemed like from to me,
from about the middish eighteen seventies to probably the very

(01:26:55):
early nineteen hundreds, it seemed like there was an awful
lot of these, if you want to call them, a
little play legs, or these these yellow fever outbreaks or
typhus outbreaks. It just seemed like they would just decimate
phold little towns and communities, and so many people would die,
and you would see so and so died, you know,
from Typhus in eighteen eighty nine or eighteen ninety nine

(01:27:16):
or whatever in eighteen seventy six or something like that.
It just seemed like every time he turned around there
was one of these, you know, plagues of some sort
as well. Yeah, color was a big killer back in
those days. Kind of reminds me I liked. It was
almost like the COVID things. Like, It's like it was
sort of their versions of I guess what we would
call today covids. You know what we kind of dealt
with COVID a lot. I know there was differences, but

(01:27:39):
it seemed like they were having a COVID situation every
five ten years. I guess it's just like wow.

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
You know, well, you know, I when I was in
elementary school in the early sixties. You know, every year
we'd have measles and months and earlett fever and chicken pox,
and you know, I remember in second or third grade,

(01:28:04):
I could look at somebody's rash and go, oh, you've
got you've got German metals, You've got you know, you
get you learn to know, and you know I had
friends that you know. I remember when the first polio
vaccine was made available in school and you know, put

(01:28:25):
it on your tongue and on a sugar lump in
the in the nurse's office. Everybody lined up and took it. Uh,
you know, but I had I had a friend who
was in an iron month from polio. You know. It's like,
it's not that it's still in living memory. Some of
the the more virulent contagious diseases, not just COVID. I mean,

(01:28:50):
to us that was an advarition, But you're right, I
think it was much more common and people weren't as
as shocked by it. Yeah, you know, of course, I
mean they compare COVID to the nineteen seventeen Spanish right right.
But you know, so that was a much more pandemic

(01:29:12):
as opposed to like you're saying, these are many plagues
that are more epidemics.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Yeah, yeah, more localized epidemics. Again, the book we're speaking
with author Leslie Barker, pH d. And the book is
Safe in the Arms of Jesus. It as a novella
or a short little novel if you will. And again,
if you go to Christian Talk at rocks dot com,
go to the page that says guests, just click on

(01:29:38):
that linkage at the top of the page and then
you'll see her picture and you will see information about
her and then a link there that you can click
on that will take you straight to Amazon and then
you can check out the book or hopefully by the book.
Before I let you go, Leslie, I want to talk
to you a little bit about your current gig as
executive director of Graceful Opportunities and form the listeners what

(01:29:59):
that's all about.

Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
Well. Graceful Opportunities is a nonprofit organization in Cape Drard
in Missouri, which is about one hundred miles south of
Saint Louis and what we do is we provide employment
opportunities and transportation for adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities.

(01:30:22):
So like we have a coffee shop that's staffed with
people with autism and Down syndrome and limb differences. And
we have a little three acre property that we're turning
into an agriculture employment training area. We run a pre

(01:30:44):
vocational post secondary pre vocational a career academy for people
who don't have the literacy or math skills to go
to a tech college or or a junior college. And
we do driver's education for people with intellectual and developmental

(01:31:07):
disabilities as well as for foster teams. So it's a
huge enterprise. It's the nonprofit partner of Grace Reliant Health Services,
which is it provides other services to people with special

(01:31:28):
needs as well as there is a home health component.
So it's faith based organization. And I'm the executive director
and my role really is to lay the foundation for
the nonprofit so that it can thrive under somebody else's

(01:31:49):
leadership because I'm that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Old gotcha gotcha? Yeah, Well, you know you're working yourself
out of a job because you realize someone else needs
to come up and ultimately take over.

Speaker 7 (01:31:59):
But you know, I say to my staffs, you know,
this is not a career move for me. This is
this is a move from you know, it's an assignment
from the Lord. Right, it's gonna it's gonna be done well,
and hopefully you all will be ready to take the
reins in it in.

Speaker 12 (01:32:16):
A little while.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
And if somebody wants to find out more about Graceful Opportunitiesful.

Speaker 7 (01:32:22):
Opportunities, the website is Graceful Opportunities dot org and you're
absolutely welcome to do that and you can reach me
from that from that contact list, uh Field on the website.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Excellent. Well, we're up against the clock here, Leslie. It's
it's great to speak with you again. She's she's a
She's This isn't your early book. She's got a lot
of other books out there. She's a very prolific author.
But this is one of her latest and it is
called Safe in the Arms of Jesus. It is an
historical novella. It's based on an actual historical event and

(01:33:03):
some folks that there are real folks, and some things
that really happened back there in the late eighteen hundreds
in Saint Louis, Missouri during what was called the White Plague.
And you can pick up that book. It's available to Amazon.
It is it available anywhere else, Leslie, No, it's.

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Available as a Kindle download or as the.

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Gotcha Okay, And again we've got the link up on
the guest page there at Christian talkd at rocks dot com.
If you go to Christian Talk at rocks dot com
and then you click on the little tablet at the
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You will see a link down there at the bottom
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then you'll see the spurb that we have on her
and then on the book, and then right there at
the bottom there's that link. A click on that link'll
take you straight to that Amazon page where you can
then order the book. Thank you so much for taking
time out of your busy schedule at Leslie and sharing
this incredible work that you've done, this amazing book. And uh,
let's get you back on again sometime in the not

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to this in future, not just talk about this book,
but some other things that that you've done and and
just have a good old you know history nerd session
right here on the show.

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as delicious and nutritious as they say. Talking a little
bit about and I've talked a lot, we'll talk a
lot about on this show of the anti Christian bigotry
that just seems to be it's just baked into the
cake these days, and it's growing. You might be familiar.

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I mean it's around the world. It's not just here
in this country. And actually the persecution that Christians are
for the most part experiencing in this country tends to
be more from you know, like some snotty city council
person or a mayor or sadly some cases, a cop.
It doesn't like you stand on the street corner holding
a sign that says Jesus saves or something and they

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want to shut you down because you offended somebody that
was just driving by and they reported you. So, you know,
we deal with a lot of that kind of nonsense here.
But of course in places like Nigeria, I mean there
you've got these crazy gangs and these in some cases,
these radical Muslim terrorist groups and what have you, all
working together in some in some cases rogue military what
have you running around places like Nigeria that are rounding

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up Christians and shoving them into church buildings, locking them
in there and saying the whole thing on fire. This
kind of craziness is happening in many parts of the world.
It's it's really bad in Nigeria. Uh, and you need
to educate yourself on that. It's I mean, it's really
become a personal crisis. In fact, even Trump and some
of the State Department people have said, look, if you know,
if the government there cancer is training some things out,

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we're not opposed to maybe dropping some bombs on the
head of some terrorists. It's kind of reached critical pass.
And of course in the last administration, the excuse was, well,
it's not so much about religious persecution in this anti
Christian hatred is just you know, global warming up, boloney Sandwich.
I'm not buying that. It had a lot more to

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do with the fact that they're you know, ISIS has
popped up in that region. Some other terrorist groups of course,
you know Bokaharam and all those guys, and they they're
radical Muslim groups that hate Christians period, and this is
what they're doing. But you have some again, some some
anti Christian bigotry going on here even in this country,

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which I have I have spoken about on this show
at nauseam Ad in Vanatum for a long time and
have said that it was going to get worse, and
that it's going to become more institutionalized and baked in
the cake and lo and behold, this is this is
exactly where we're headed in what's going on. And I
have again you know, I don't mean to do that,

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you told you, Sos, but I had felt that a
number of years back, Lord, telling me this is going
to get worse right here in America and in some
cases in the Bible Belt. I'm sharing stories sometimes that
are from the Bible Belt and from quote unquote read
stage and all that jazz with conservative lawmakers and people
and so forth are supposedly Christian friendly, and sometimes they

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are and sometimes maybe not so much. Anyway, this has
been part of our world inn daily staff state discriminates
against Christian Church. Now federal judges here of numerous irregularities.
Faith group won bidding war for property, but now officials
backtracking and rig results delivered to a secular group. About that,
talk about your bait and switch, I've heard. The Appeals
Court is scheduled on Monday to hear about the discrimination

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used by the University of Maine system against a Christian
church which won a bid to purchase discussed school or
disused rather at school property what probably'scussed to disused school
property but then was rejected because of its beliefs yeops.
A report from Liberty Council, which is working on behalf

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of Calvary Chapel Belfast, explained the lower court claim that
it was fine for the school system to cancel the
church's winning bid despite now they had the winning bid okay,
despite evidence of religious animus and numerous irregularities in the
bidding process, Calvary Chapel Belfast rightfully won the University of
Maine system's first bidding processes, and the appeals Court will

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have the chance to ensure the university honors that bid.
Explain Liberty Council Chief Matt Staver, quote, the church participated
in the bidding process in good faith, but you amiss
then unlawfully rescinded their winning bid due to its religious
beliefs after community backlash, but under the excuse of procedural deficiencies,

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such discrimination is unlawful and an injunction is a necessary
to restore the church's bid award and stop these unconstitutional
actions unquote. The fight started several years ago when in
November twenty twenty four, the church fought back when school
officials rescinded the winning bid for what's called the Hutchison Center.
The recision was because of public legislative and donor outcry

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because somebody got their knickers in an at over the
Christian beliefs of the church. The church sought an injunction,
and Liberty Council argued on its behalf that UMS officials
deviated from their bidding procedures, accepted invalid appeals from the losers,
and cited a relocating an internet hub from the building

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as a cost avoidance deficiency as a reason for rescinding
the initial a board. In other words, it came up
with a kind of a BS story, the Baloney Sandwich story,
Liberty Council explained. Subsequently, UMS held a second, rigged biding
process that awarded the building to a secular bidder. How
about that despite evidence the legal team noted Stacey Newman,

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a judge rejected the request for an injunction depending. Now's
the argument from Liberty Council that decisions from at least
four other appeals courts make clear that when adverse government
actions follow in sequence after bigoty community opposition, a direct
and circumstantial evidence of discriminatory intent is valid unquote. All

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that's needed for problems to occur is for the government
decision maker to knowingly act on objections of those who
are intentionally discriminating. The record shows that UMS acted in
the wake of extraordinary, religiously motivated opposition from humane donors,
faculty alumni, and the disappointed bidders, you know, just a

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bunch of sore losers. Really, Roy Liberty Council quote, by
granting an appeal from a losing bidder that was highly
infected with religious animis, as well as overruling its own
procurement experts in disregarding the competitive negotiated procurement process, UMS
made a decision that resulted in religious discrimination. The legal

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team said, now, one of the things that I'm going
to be on the lookout for that perhaps you should
be too, but I'm gonna be an a looking for
it as a guy that oh so a podcast. Keep
in mind antenna up. One of the tendencies of extreme socialism, communism, Marxism,

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it's pretty much a general what's the word I'm looking
for here? I could use the word hatred, and that's
probably not that far off the rails. But an animus,
let's put it that way, And that might be a
softer term, but still an accurate term in a more
legal term against anything that even smacks of Christianity or

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jud Christian ethos or Judaism. One of the common traits
amongst most communist nations, socialist nations, and so forth is
a clamping down on and a discriminating against a persecution
of Christians. Many communists and socialist regimes have been built

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on the skulls of the crushed skulls of dead Christians
when you look at what's happening to the church. A
persecution is happening to the church in China at the
hands of the government there, okay, and the government seemingly
turning a blind eye or making excuses in Nigeria for

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what's happening to Christians there by certain crazy tribal leaders,
and by radical Muslims and terrorist groups and so on
and so forth, you name it, and Christians are sort
of the punching bag of a day. But you see
this in May, parts of which you're seeing a certain

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semblance of it here in this country. I am going
to say, and I'm not saying that this is necessarily
from the Lord. I'm saying this is just me being
a guy that studies these things and been talking about
these things for a while in studies history and studies
human nature. That as we get more socialists in political

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power or camouflage communists, I think, as which is what
really mom, Donnie, is in political power, we're going to
see more folks going after Jews and Christians in this country.
That's going to be one of the fallouts of electing
all of these crazy socialists and frankly communists and Marxists.

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I think you're going to see this ramp up. I'll
be shocked if it doesn't happen. I'm praying it doesn't.
I'm not, you know, discounting the Lord's power, but you know,
we're gonna to really pray Gang that the Lord will
step in, protect and intervene, and I believe you will
with our sincere prayers. But that doesn't mean they're not

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still going to try their their darnis to dink around
with Christians. And the interim many of these socialist politico
is that politicians and so forth that are coming into
power in many parts of our nation, they tend to
carry with them anti Christian bigotry. Mom, Donnie is a Muslim,

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and I'm not saying all Muslims hate Christians, but I
am saying that he is a type of Muslim in
his history who has you could argue, directly or indirectly
supported and not spoken out against some of these Muslim
terrorist groups and radical Islam. Okay, he sort of soft pedaled.
That's off. I don't trust a guy for a whole

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host of reasons, but he's not alone in this is
my point. And we're seeing this around the world, but
we're seeing it here more and more in the US.
So as we see more and more folks coming into
power who who tend to have a hostility towards Christians,
I think this kind of stuff, like you're seeing here

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with what's happening in Maine, uh, you're going to see
it elsewhere. And I got a hunch that legal folks,
Christian legal organizations, and other legal organizations, frankly liberty organizations
are going to have their hands full in the next
few few years. I think the a cl J Liberty Council,

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a lot of others, uh probably Thomas Moore and others
are gonna they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna have their
hands full. They're gonna have their hands full. And I
think that, sadly, we're going to see more of these
kinds of cases winding their way through our court systems

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at levels or at numbers that we haven't seen ever.
I think I do believe that that you know, buying
miracles from the Lord and I'm not saying those canton
won't happen. I'm saying that short of that, and even
with that, I mean, there's still going to be pushback.
But I think you're going to see more and more
of that. And I have a hunch I want to
be having more and more stories similar to this one

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that I just share with you, and other things along
these lines to talk about and share with you on
the show as the days go by, especially again with
some of the crazies that we've now gotten holding political office.
To take a pause, more Christian target, rock straight ahead,
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You're listening to Christian talk that rocks. Couple of websites
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the check out the websites. Uh. It's sort of doubt
telling what I just talked about. Case in point of
sort of this animus, let's just call it from many
politicians and so forth against people who hold to Christian believes,

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strong Christian beliefs, or even Jews Christian beliefsthos if you will.
It's been ported by Bob Andrew, new Jersey governor candidate,
and I will let your a clip here from her
just a sec h Mickey Cheryl Uh. She said parents
cannot opt out of the LGBT courses or classes if
you will, for kids. She said, parents shouldn't be doing that.

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And and some of these radical folks on many socialists
in these Marxists leaning people that theyn't even trying to
hide that they will implement a Marxist agenda where the
state makes the choices for it's helpless and happless people.
And we have the unique opportunity, of course, to rejected
to stand up against it. But but she's, uh, you know,

(01:52:20):
she she's insisting that not not so fast, And she
says that parents should not I should have no rights
out adopted children out of any offensive LBGT whatever lessons
that violate their religious faith. Now, the Supreme Court just
weeks going to fact confirm the school district of my government, County, Maryland,

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must allow parents top children out of those lessons if
they want so. Apparently she's, uh, let's just let me
let me put it in not such delicate terms, lifting
up the middle digit to the Supreme Court on that
one and saying, uh, yeah, well whatever. Of course, Trump
is one always accused of luck in the courts. Apparently
she doesn't care by Supreme Court decision. Let me let

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you hear a clip from her when asked questions about this.

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Parents have the right to opt their kids out.

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Of LGBTQ related content in the same way that right
now they can be removed from.

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Sex ed and health curriculum classes.

Speaker 18 (01:53:24):
Look, I believe that parents have the right to oversee
their children's education. I would push an LGBTQ education into
our schools. Parents have a right to opt out of
a lot of things, but this is not an area
where they should be opting out, because this is an
area of understanding the background of people throughout our nation.
And right now we see, for example, at their Naval

(01:53:45):
Academy on a rasure of history.

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Yeah, and social media responders were outraged because you can
imagine her demands. Quote, this woman doesn't want you to
have parental authority over your children, and their goal is
to brainwashing and views of vulnerable. We can't let it happen.
And see some of these school us or implementing this stuff.
We're talking for little kids five, six, seven, eight years
old who really don't know much of anything about sex
one way or the other, whether it's heterosexual, homosexual, transsexual,

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pan sexual, whatever, sexual. Their minds just aren't equipped to
deal with this stuff, but it's being foisted on them
at younger and younger ages. And this is where some
of the pushback happened in Northern Virginia even and some
of the school districts up there. This is what put
Glenn youngin in the Governor's house here in Virginia, was
this kind of doubling down stuff. Well, new Joisey, this

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is your governor, this is what you've got. Good luck,
good luck. Another social media pier said, the government doesn't
get to tell a parent they can and can't opt
out of things based on their religious beliefs. Quote. Leftists

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do not even try to hide that. They will implement
a Marxist agenda where the state makes the choices for
its helpless people. In America, we have the unique opportunity
to reject this evil. Exercise your rights to opt out
from Mickey Cheryl. Today, Jack Shidarelly is opposing ever government's
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lost bad enough. Of course, obviously he didn't have enough
to pull it off. I think it was pretty close
to double digits with the final tally, and she got
in there. But good luck New Jersey. And this is
what I'm saying. You've gotten more and more of these
authoritarian government types. And if the Supreme Court decision they like,
well they are, they're all about it. But if it's

(01:55:38):
a Supreme Court decision they don't like, they're like, who cares?
And that's just a bunch of conservative biggots on that court.
We're gonna ignore it, you know, We're gonna we're gonna
push this thing regardless of what the court says. Kind
of attitude. Of course, that's what the Orange man is
accused of. But they're hypocrites because they do the same thing. Actually,

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he'll usually comply, they might give a little lipservers, but
in the end they still go back and do an
in run around, you know, a court decision to go
ahead and to do whatever they want to do. Anyway,
Well that there's a name for that. It's called tyranny.
Uh So she doesn't care, she doesn't care. It's by God,

(01:56:25):
your kid's gonna get this indoctrination or else. Sort of
the attitude there homeschool, homeschool. This is why homeschooling. There's
a reason why homeschool is exploding in this country because parents.
I mean, this is what happened after the pandemic or
during the pandemic of COVID. People were sitting there and

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you know, walking past the kitchen table as little Johnny
or sus You're sitting there with a laptop and hearing
the teacher say, and they're going, what do the teacher
just said, what hold on? And then the next time
the school doors are opened, they were down the school
board or in the principal's office raising you know what,
and it didn't work out real well in the last

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couple of part of this one last couple of election cycles.
In fact, speaking of Loudon County, there was a gal
was running for school board there first, remember school board there.
They didn't They didn't do so hot, this being reported

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by again by Bob bone new Rolling, a daily Lowden
County school board member loses election as Biden boosted, the
ideology starts to fade. In Supreme courtash a warning over
the LGBT fantasy. Jay Jones, of course, Democrat Virginia's estationally
elected attorney journalists by his record of openly calling for
a murder of Republican and her children. But there was

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one bright spot on what otherwise turned out to be
a dark election for at least for Repubs, including a
vote by New York City Residences install policies essential to
advocate for communism in city Hall. It was Loudon County
school board race at locale where officials long have pushed
the transitor is ideology on a children against their parents' wishes.
In other words, you gotta let this kid, you gotta

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let this boy, biological boy who thinks he's a girl,
go the girl's bathroom, you know, with all his junk
hanging out there. Amy Riccardi unseated trans crazed incumbent armin
estrefi that, according to report at the Federalist, the Loser
recently voted in favor of keeping Policy eighty forty, which

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allows students to use restrooms and locker rooms of the
opposite sex and requires the use of preferred pronouns to
start grooming children into pursuing a reversible medical transition procedures.
The report explained, the agenda that has used to skew curriculum, classes,
social events and more has caused multiple horrors in the
district already, and of course that began three years ago,

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kind of reaching critical mass, and we talked a lot
about it on this show. For example, a high school
girl was raised by an offender protected by the agenda,
and that crime was covered up by the school district. Further,
two boys were unjustifiably punished for objecting to a girl
in their locker room and they were in quardover that agenda. Point,
the report explained, As Riccardi pointed out, students in LCPS

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are required to accommodate these gender confused students that their
return and forced to simply accept opposite sex individuals invading
their spaces, she charged, quote LCPS has a policy that
they put in place, and it is what it is
right now. On the politics of this, six members of
the school board have dug in on this policy multiple
times now, including my appointment. And I'm not comfortable with

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boys and girls' locker rooms. I'm not comfortable with boys
and girls sports or girls' bathrooms unquote. Her perspective will
be joined to one other board member who appears to
have a reasonable view of schools transgender beliefs those held
by Deanna Griffiths. She has warned the board majority was
using t tax dollars to violate the law on push

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ideology unquote. But anyway, so the person who wanted to
push this ideology on the school board out of there.
So there is some pushback on a lot of this
still that's happening from parents. But this is I mean,
your tax dollars are paying with these are public schools.
You're ever increasing property taxes? This is uh, I mean,

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this is part of it. Finally, there's this a school
district and tries to restrict off campus speech of students
off campus speech. Now the court has intervene again. Being
born a byt Bob Bunderworld in that daily school district
trying to restrict the speech of students off campus has
been put on a leash. It is a second US
A Circuit Court of Appeals that determined in the Livingston

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Manor Central School District in New York was off base
when it suspended a student for a meme posted on
social media while the student was off off the school grounds.
This is their own time, their own social media now.
According to a report at the Center Square, the decision
benefits case Leroy. He had been suspended for a post

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that mocked the twenty twenty death of George Floyd, at
death that triggered Black Lives Matter riots across dozens of cities,
leaving behind billions of dollars in damages. According to the report,
Leroy posed with another student knee on his neck and
said the caption cops got another Now that's reprehensible. I agree,
but it's his own social media off campus. It's protected

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First Amendment speech. I understand that the First Amendment doesn't
exist to protect speech that you agree with, it exists
to protect speech that you don't agree with as well.
His intolerant community responded with backlash online. Well not that
they initially in tolerant, but it responded with backlash online,
protested his school and community meetings. However, the Hamilton Lincoln
Law Institute and another First Amendment group sued the school

(02:01:55):
and explained punishment for his speech violently with the First
Amendment rights. Yeah, trial judge actually sided with the school initially,
but the appeals judges reversed. I'd like to find out
who the trial court judge is that sided with a
school on this because they need to go back and
have a constitutional education. Their law degree is not worth

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much if they have one. We conclude that LeRoy's off
campus a speech fell outside the bounds of the school's
regulatory authority. We cannot accept the contention that in today's world,
a social media posts made off campus's equivalent to speech
on campus, said Circuit Judge Barrington Parker. A judge Merna
Perez agreed, but did point out that there are limits

(02:02:38):
on free speech. Well, of course you can't yell. I mean,
you have liable laws and you can't yell fire in
a crowded room with things like that, unless there is one.
What would be required for a school control would be
for some situation to make students feel unsafe or deprive
them of the ability to learn. In other words, if

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he had posted on social media, I'm coming to school
tomorrow with a gun and I'm killing everybody, So get ready.
You better have your good you better have your your kicks,
on your pumps, on your your sneakers, because you go
need them to run from my bullet. You know. Now,
that might, okay, get law enforcement engaged and some other
things happen, But that's not what he said. Reprehensible as

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it could possibly be interpreted. That's not what the kids said.
Adam Schulmanhem to the Lincoln Lngstitudes, a senior attorney, said
the Appellate Court's decision recognized the limits on American public
schools of thorta to police students speech outside of school
hours or off campus. As the court puts it, learning
to engage in civil discourse with those with whom we

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disagree really is an essential feature of student education, and
it is the feature of the First Amendment. All right, there,
our founding followers were very adamant, and it's the first
Amendment for a reason. They're very adamant about freedom of speech.
It's a second liberty listed there. You have freedom of religion,
freedom speech, freedom of the press, uh, the right to

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gather peacefully or to associate peacefully not you know, not
in a riot situation. And the right to readress agreements.
Is your five liberties in essence contained within the First Amendment.
It's sort of like First Amendment one A, one B
one you know, if you will once see down the list.
But this is this is an overreach by schools. But see,

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the schools have been determined by the Supreme Court to
be government schools. They're government institutions because they take tax
pair of dollars. And in the case of Tinker, the
Supreme Court said, look that the kids constitutional liberties don't
don't end at schoolhouse gate. And this this kid would

(02:04:49):
even near the schoolhouse games on his own time, you know,
probably sitting there in his own bedroom or basement or
you know, acting stupid and decided to put this, uh,
you know it was it was a a very insensitive
and very stupid social media post. But teenagers are apt
to do those things. To say those things and act ridiculous.
It's part of being a teenager. Again, I'm not justifying

(02:05:11):
the post, but the post. But then the schools trying
to come around and punish him or you know, make
him take down the post whatever for it wrong because
it's you know, he has a right to do it,
and a government entity doesn't have the right to come
in and censor you because they don't like your post.
Somebody in the government and I remember public schools or

(02:05:31):
government entities. That's not my opinion, that's the Supreme Court's opinion,
because they take tax dollars from tax paying public they're
government schools. Again, pretty much the Supreme Court language is
not mine. So they don't have the right to start
just censoring because some kids said something off campus that
you know, rubbed some folks the wrong way, and I

(02:05:52):
understand why I did. But still, you know, you have
a right to post stupid things on social media and
with how some government entity having an e codimption fit
over it, unless you know you're threatening to assassinate the
president or something. I mean, there are some limits of that,
but that wasn't what happened. So the Pels Court got
it right. From just a purely constitutional perspective. But this

(02:06:15):
gives you springboarding from this to give you this attitude,
show you this attitude that so many of the public
education systems seem to have about control of your child
and what they can say, can't say, and do and
don't do. I mean, that's this big government control thing.
This is what our founding followers were trying to block against.
This is why we have a Bill of Rights. Because

(02:06:35):
they knew big government. They knew government could get big
and get out of control. They fought a big government
that got out of control, one of the biggest on
the planet at the moment of the revolution, the American Revolution.
So they'd been down this road. They knew what could happened.
They dealt with tyranny in many of its forms, and
said thanks, but no thanks, we're out of here. And

(02:07:00):
Chris resided to say, is history. So they wanted bright
lines between us, the public, and government, and they did
that with the Bill of Rights that thus far you
can come and no further. In fact, the primary job
of government officials and the and and the police job

(02:07:23):
number one really is to protect your civil liberties. Is
to protect these rights. They swear olds to do. So
these politicians that are going to be sworn into office,
maybe they maybe they'll have their fingers tied behind their back.
I don't know they're crossed behind their back or something
when they when they do it. But they're going to
swear and oath to uphold the laws of the state

(02:07:44):
and the constitution, constitutions of the state, and the in
our US Constitution. But generally swear oaths to that before
they can take take the actual officially take the take
the office. Cops do it, military does it. You swear
oaths to uphold these things, to protect these liberties. That's
job one of anybody in government, whether you're an elected

(02:08:06):
official or a cop or whatever. You swear an oath
you uphold these things. You don't trounce on them because
somebody says something that ruffled your feathers, or somebody said
something kind of horrendous, but it doesn't violate a certain
legal marker for safety, then well deal with it. Put

(02:08:29):
on your big boy pants and big real panties and
deal with it. It's called for amendment, and it cuts
both directions. It protects the only speech that you agree with.
It protects speech that you find offensive. And in some
cases just vulgar and just ridiculous. But it's there to
protect that kind of speech. Our funding fathers wanted to

(02:08:53):
err on that side. They had tyrants telling them you
can't say this, and tyrants sending them British agents and
troops into burn newspaper, burn up newspaper buildings, and burn
up presses and break up presses and arrest people for
printing things in local newspapers that weren't flattering of the
King or Parliament or British troops. Oh you can't say that.

(02:09:15):
Watch us, what's what we're gonna do And destroy the
press and arrest the people that were running the presses
and tear up the newspapers and burn down the building
and outs. That's what they did and how they handle it.
You call that a tyrannical regime. And there are regimes
around the world that still do things just like that.
And that's what the First Amendment is there to protect against.
It's a guard against tyranny. On that note, got to go,

(02:09:48):
you sure check out the websites Christian Talking, Rocks Done Net,
Christian talk at rocks dot com. Special thanks to our guests,
Author Leslie Barker her books Safe in the Arms of Jesus.
It's available to Amazon check it out. Link is there
at the guest page of fiction talk at rocks dot com.
Sure to take care of yourself, take care of those
that you love. Remember God has love. See you next time.

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