June 6, 2025 • 59 mins
In this episode Ron Janix shared how he experienced witnessing telepathy under a controled environment, in-person at Contact In The Desert. We also discussed whistleblowers, UAP science, and alleged psionics and the CE5 "calling down" of UFOs. Captain Ron Janix has been immersed in the UFO/paranormal community for many years. Through working with various conferences, reading and researching, as well as podcasting for over 10 years, he has built up an extensive knowledge of the subject. In April of 2021 he co-founded The Observation Deck, an online source for information on speakers, as well as a place to host virtual events in and around the UFO community. In 2023, along with Gordon Pekrul, he bought the Contact In The Desert Conference, the largest conference of its kind. Ron’s latest podcast is Beyond Contact, which is part of the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
However you are and whenever you are, welcome, good souls
to coffee and UFOs. I've got a guest who's about
as UFO as you can can possibly be. His name
is Ron Jane's aka Captain Ron, and he, along with
Gordon peccroll, bought Contact in the Desert conference and are
(00:29):
now running it and it's only been a lot of
positive reviews, especially this past year. So we'll be talking
about that and kind of recap what you know, the
highlights are from that conference. Ron also founded or co
founded the Observation Deck. It was an online source for
information on speakers UFO speakers as well. I had the
(00:51):
pleasure of participating in one of those roundtable events. And
as a friendly reminder, you know, if you are interested
in anything UFO related event wise, if you, I mean,
I don't know how you not heard of Contact in
the Desert, but it is definitely at the top of
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the list or should at the top of list for
events to visit. In all transparency, I've yet to go,
and I really really want to go. I will go
hopefully one day, but in the meantime we're lucky to
have Ron with us tonight. Also, if you are a
fan of Coffee and UFOs, please follow on Instagram at
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Coffee and UFO's podcast, or on Blue Sky at Coffee
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Mystic Lounge. All right, let's get right to it and
bring on our guest, Captain Ron.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
How are you, hey, Alan, Great to see you man,
you too talks with you on this show. Yeah, absolutely
appreciate you. You coming back.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So I am curious before we get into a little
bit of what contact was like this past year, you know,
as a reminder, how did you get involved in UFO
and UAP research in the first place.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, I've always had an interest in it, you know,
going back, you know, my whole life pretty much, I've
had just like just a curiosity, just enjoyed things. I
like things that I don't know about. So any mysteries,
anything unknown is always fun for me, whether it be
you know, so the in Search of show Nova show,
those kind of things always interested me. And then reading
(02:31):
Communion and reading Van Dalligan's Chariots of the Gods really
got my interest peaked. So it was right when Communion
came out that I really kind of delved into this,
and then, you know, I didn't do anything with it
other than just sort of had a curiosity and enjoyed
those type shows. And then about twelve thirteen years ago,
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I got started on a podcast, but it was a
different topic. And the guy that owned the station, Tony Sweet,
at a UFO show and he says, hey, you know
all about this stuff, why don't you come on a
co host with me? And then I did, and then
that just led me write down the thing because every
week we'd have somebody on, I would read their book
or watch their lecture and research them and just dig in,
(03:17):
dig in, dig in, And then next thing you know,
you know, this is one of those things. The more
you know, the more there is too no, so you
just keep going down this rabbit hole. So now I
know much about this subject. Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's it's one of those topics where you hear people
say and I've done it myself to some degree, where
they've taken a break from it for a little while
and then they come back to it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because a lot of people do that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Right, yeah, because it does take you kind of down
a rabbit hole. You know, questions lead to more questions.
So even though it's fascinating, it's it's captivating and you
can't get enough of it, it can be a little frustrating.
So that's actually a really good lead into contact in
a desert, you know, because what what do you think
(04:06):
was highlighted at the conference this year that was kind
of novel or you know, really got people's attention.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh, I got ob several of them for you. They
you know, excuse me. The frustrating thing that you're talking about,
You know, that is a real thing because we're dealing
with an unknown so it's not like we ever get
to the answer. It's not like, oh God, I've been
doing this ten years and now I know what's happening.
Nobody knows what's happening. You know. The top guys that
have experiences don't know what's happening. You know. H Yeah,
(04:33):
there's an unexplained phenomenon out there. The neat thing this
year for me personally, was exactly what I thought going
into it was doctor Diane Hennessy Powell. If you're familiar
with the Telepia, yeah, she was on a few weeks ago. Actually,
she is absolutely outstanding. I am a huge fan in
order I totally endorse her. I think it's incredible. We
(04:56):
did a live demonstration with Hakeem who brought in this
wonderful woman and her daughter, and it's like magic. Like
I was literally running around the audience, Allen, it was
so incredible, I mean magic. What was like like I
would run around the back of the audience. The mother
(05:19):
would come and I would say, name a movie or book.
I mean that, Think about how many of those there are?
Sure anything. I would have ten pens with me markers.
I'd let one random person in the audience in the
back of the hall pick a pen. Then the next one,
I'd say, right on this whiteboard, the title of a
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film or book or whatever. This a little fourteen year
old girl probably, you know, she has so many struggles
she does. It's not like she's seen all these movies.
So the mother looks at the title, and the little girl,
you know, with her finger types on a a letter
board with ABCD, you know, so she can point to
(06:03):
the letters because she's nonverbal. Yeah, and she writes, life
is like a box of chocolates. And then I hold
up for the audience. Of course, it's Forrest Gump. That's nuts.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So so I've listened to the celebrity tapes. You know,
I haven't gotten through all of them yet. I just
kind of started season two and you hear this anecdotally.
So what you're saying is you witnessed it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, we did a live demonstration like forty minutes or more.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So it takes someone's word on this. You got to
see it with your own eyes.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And not only that, It's like, even when I see
the guy in the audience, I always think, well, he's
a plant. He's gonna they're gonna say the movie they want.
But it was me, and I'm swearing to everyone this
was a thousand percent real. I have no idea how
this could be done. Also, you know, I this is
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one of these hoaxing things. These people have challenging lives.
You're raising someone who is a savant, who is extremely
far on the autism spectrum. This is not somebody that's
out there trying to prank our hoax. I mean, they're
ever a hard time getting through the day to get
this person to sit still for five minutes. They have
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a lot of challenges. So I'm not saying there's not
people out there hoaxing it. But certainly the people that
Hakem and Diane brought in were not, in my opinion,
in any way, shape or form, doing anything to be deceptive.
They were the sweetest, nicest people you've ever met, and
(07:41):
they performed these incredible feats that I don't know what
else it is. I guess it's even Doctor Diane Hennessy
doesn't say telepathy. She doesn't often say that. She says
a non traditional form of communication. That's how she'll describe
it sometimes some wo how this this lady is getting
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her daughter to know that this is the movie and
this is the quote. This is a movie. The girl
doesn't even know it could be anything. I mean, it's
just so random.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, I think the skeptical response is maybe there's physical movements,
you know, blinking of an eye. But especially as more complicated,
a response becomes like a full on sentence, you know,
quote from a movie. Not only that, but I know
that doctor Powell, she she's you know, put people in
like separate spaces, right, correct.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, it's very difficult because, of course, when I first
met doctor Paul, to be honest, when this first came
to me about eight months ago, Steve Bassett. I think,
you know, Steve, he brought her to me and said, hey,
we should have this woman on. She does telepathy. Stop
right there, I'm not doing it. That's you know, contact
tries to take a very academic, scientific Look, we're not
(08:57):
going down that road. He's like, look her up, check
it out. And I did. And you know, she went
to John Hopkins and she taught at Harvard and she's
been working with these children for thirteen fourteen years, and
she's got a very scientific approach and this is like
a real phenomenon. She's not trying to do telepathy. She's
trying to help people and help these children. And then
(09:20):
it turns out they've sort of stumbled upon this that
the parents feel sometimes they get an image in their
brain or vice versa. The kid seems to know what
they went to get, you know, things like that. So
she sort of stumbled upon it. And I said, well, listen,
why don't you just go to a lab, lock it
down and prove this to the world. We'll all know tomorrow.
(09:41):
And she's like, well, they want to do that, but
many of these children, we were so lucky. This little
girl's name was lead Lead Dough and she was amazing.
She's way more high functioning than many of these people,
according to doctor Diana. Doctor Dane Hennessy Paul was telling
(10:02):
me how many of these children, I mean, these are
kids who like smear feces on the wall and scream
all day. They can't like leave their house and go
to a lab and sit in a farty cage for
six hours. It just doesn't it's not practical, it's not real.
It's fascinating as you dive into this, how you know,
(10:24):
there's all levels. Some people can only connect with their
mother or caregiver. Other kids can hear other people's mind.
And she told me about children who like just were
screaming and couldn't sit still. So the parents like moved
out to the desert and then the kid was fine. Yeah,
because you could only hear two voices, the mother and
the father, instead of everybody's voice. So this is a
(10:47):
challenging thing to even get them to a lab. This
little girl did such an amazing job for us. They
said she normally cannot sit in a chair more than
ten or fifteen minutes. She sat there for ninety minutes
the time, and it did an amazing, amazing demonstration.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
That that's a feat of a focus on her part
for sure. I think that what I really appreciate about
doctor Powell, and you know, by proxy the telepathy tapes,
is that aside from or because of, the topic of
these alleged psychic abilities, right, there's actually an awareness that
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is brought about, you know, a neurotypical individuals and you know,
you might be walking through a mall and and there's
someone who's autistic and they're kind of they're making sounds
or noises or you know, moving physically in ways that
you you know, seems really awkward and off, and they
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on the outside you think, oh, there's something wrong with them,
But in reality, what's happening is like that my understanding
is that there's this kind of like there's not the
same kind of connect that we have between the body,
like how the body physically feels and the mind, Like
there's a kind of a space there.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, if you delve really far into this. In just
my discussions with doctor Paul, she was saying that it
is almost like an out of body thing where many
of these kids they're able. In fact, they meet each
other on this place called the hill. You might have
heard that in case where they like when they sleep
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or when they shut down, they just kind of shut
down and their brain goes to this place and they
talk to other kids who have the same thing, that
are from somewhere else. And she's got stories of information
that was relayed from one kid to another that how
could that possibly happen. I think if we can get
(12:49):
some serious labs on this and prove this, it'll change
the world. I was extremely moved by this. I did
not feel this was trickery. These are not the kind
of people. These people have had very difficult lives, many
of them, you know, they didn't discover these abilities till recently.
(13:09):
So the whole time with this kid, they didn't. The
stories Doctor Diane will say is that, you know, these kids,
the mother will say, he's in there. I didn't even
know he was in there. And they learned to type
on the computer and suddenly he can communicate, and it's
like they've discovered that their child is in there. It's
(13:30):
almost like when somebody has a coma. You know, Mark
D'Antonio was in a coma for a long time and
he talks about how his parents came into the room
and the doctor was saying Yep, he probably won't recover.
We'll never and Mark's inside screaming, I'm here. You know,
these are real things, these are documented cases. This is
(13:52):
it's incredible. Clearly shows that there's more to the human
mind and brain that we don't fully understand yet.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
How does that connect, you think, to extraterrestrials or non.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Evolve Obviously, the the very common report from many many
quote unquote contact these abductees is that there's telepathic communication.
So that's how it kind of fits right into our
UFO world, is that these beings, whatever they are, what
they call them, the visitors, seem to communicate telepathically. That
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is like a staple. I mean almost I can't even
think of cases where they said that they didn't do
telepathic that it was verbal communication. Can you think of one?
I can't. No, It's almost always telepathic, right right.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So it's interesting because this is like a skeptics of
debunkers will try to debunk the abduction or contact the
experience by saying, well, look, humans can't even do psychic
abilities in the first place. This is just kind of
that alone, you know, dismisses the entire.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, once we prove that that's real. Then that something else,
because that just because we prove we have telepathic abilities
does not now mean we're communicating with aliens of course, right, But.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
If you if we can prove that humans do have
the capacity to communicate psychically, when an abductee or an
experiencer says I had this experience, then the scientists would
no longer be able to say, uh, well, we're not
even capable of doing that. That's absurd, that's you know, fantasy, right,
And then now it's like, oh okay, if we can
(15:32):
do that, then I can't close that door, right, and
it makes it more difficult to debunk these experiences.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Absolutely, or you would think that maybe an et race
or whatever has that ability to put thoughts in your mind.
That doesn't mean that we as humans have it necessarily,
you know, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, although although there are you know, plenty of I
would say plenty of experience or reports where they express
fear and the entity would say, don't be afraid, right,
that sort of thing, and that's something that they're thinking.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Don't be afraid. I would be scared shitless and don't
be afraid.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I mean, well, you know, it's interesting because I can imagine,
imagine not in many years from now, you know, or today,
even if AI were the one doing the abduction, right,
that might be the kind of a non human response,
you know, like a thing that doesn't understand feeling in
the sure.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I've always felt, and I've often talked about on
my show that I feel that, you know, I know,
we have claimed contact the abductions already, but aside from that,
if we did have more of a formal contact with
an alien race from from somewhere else in the universe,
I would think it would be AI to AI, because
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there's no way we would understand that language or the
way they communicate, but artificial intelligence might might be able
to decipheratns or whatever and decipher that language or that
way that they're communicating. And I would think also on
the other side of it, just like us, we're sending
out probes and AI out into the universe. That's what
(17:12):
they're going to send. Why send a biological being that's
getting sick and dies and all these things you'd send
a machine, you'd send artificial intelligence. So most likely to me,
the first true formal contact would be AI to AI,
which is an interesting thing. Two forms of non human
intelligence will be our first form of contact with an
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et race, which is official. Yeah, sure, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Do you believe that that people are being abducted by aliens?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I actually I now am leaning that yes they are.
I think there are credible cases that I am convinced
by and are supported by things like Travis Walton, who
I've got to know a little bit and done a
couple of specials with Sure, and I I feel that's
a very very compelling case. Whitley, I feel is very compelling.
(18:05):
You know, in nineteen eighty six, my skeptical mind went,
you know what, this guy's a science fiction writer. He
could have just made this up. But you know, here
we are now. He's eighty years old, he's never changed
this tune. He's still knee deep into this topic. And
I think he's awesome and very credible. So there are
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a select number of cases that are very very compelling
to me, and all the other evidence, that sort of
ancillary evidence that supports this makes me think that this
is this is probably happening. Just like UFOs, I think
the vast majority of cases are probably not what people
think it is. But I do think that there are
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as Stanton Freebo would say some some of these are
intelligently controlled non human intelligent craft. Some of these are
contact with a non human intelligence. I don't know what
it is. I don't know if it's people from the
other side of the afterlife, from the Akashak record, the
Gin aliens. I don't know what to call it or
(19:07):
what it is. But I do think some people are
having these experiences, and they are in fact probably real
on some level. I just I think the most of
them are not. I get very frustrated by any of
the videos you see that you hear the audio, the
immediate thing the guy says is, hey, look at UFO,
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not like, hey, what's that. Let's start with the nine
hundred things it might be. Let's start right with the
nine hundredth that it might be. So I always like
to think, you know, let's wait till we get to
the let's eliminate all the others. But do I think
any of these are real? Yes? I think that there's
so many cases from these military guys, and a couple
(19:50):
of these videos pretty compelling.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I would say, very compelling. On particular cases. I think DEBRAA.
Jordan call, I think is very credible. Travis Walton, the
Betty and Barney Hill case, Terry Lovelace. I had the
pleasure of interviewing years ago. His is extraordinarily compelling because
of and sadly so the you know, the sort of
(20:17):
PTSD or emotional impact, the psychological impact it had on him,
and you can you can still see him living through it.
It stayed with him and.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
His friend who was with him and saw the same thing,
who then had all these issues as well, right right,
and became you know, I think drinking and addiction. Yeah,
you can imagine.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Of course, I mean, and it's it's certainly can be
seen as a coping mechanism to deal with what they
went through. Now it's easy to say this guy is
just a really good actor. It's easy to say that,
but like, as you know, when you spend years interviewing people,
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you get a good sense of one, sue, Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And also you've probably had the experience as well when
you talk to them face to face and shake their hand.
There is just a thing. Yes, I could be kind,
but I mean, man, some of those guys are really
really compelling.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You know, what do you what do you do? And
I had an experience like this recently. What do you
do when you start talking to someone and you start
getting the inkling that there's a little charlatan that might
be coming through, and you're going, oh, man, I don't know,
you know how much to take?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, And you know, oftentimes, I very rarely do I
feel charlatan. I have encountered people that I felt that way,
But the vast majority of time, I'm worth think this
is probably a delusion or something else. But but who
am I to say. I mean, there's a chance that's not.
That's just my personal opinion. You know. I'm more compelled
(22:01):
by things like Harold Maelstrom, who at the end of
February did basically a deathbed confession. Here's a guy who
worked for five presidents and told Jesse Michaels that, oh, yeah,
I've seen bodies. I've seen craft. This is real. I
want my granddaughter to know this. There was a more
than one case from Roswell where a carnel will leave
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a affidavit to be opened upon his death for his
granddaughter to know my name is so and so I'm
a sound mind. Blah blah blah blah. I want my
granddaughter to know that I saw bodies. I saw craft.
We're not alone in the universe. What compels a guy
in the fifties who's a military kind of guy to
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do this? I mean that clearly not seeking money or
fame or whatever that you that people get out of this.
I mean I find those cases to be extremely compelling,
and I'm surprised they're not weighted more or I'm also
surprised how many people don't know about him, even in
our community. I'll mention those and they're like, what, I
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don't know why it is.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
People don't take deathbed confessions very seriously. It's an odd
thing to me.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Well, this wasn't even a deathbed confession. These are this
is like I'm old now, I'm yeah. Well, but no,
they even wrote it when they were younger. They just
could as an Affidavid sealed, not to be opened until
upon my death. So it's not like he was delusional
at ninety and wrote this one of them. I think
the guy wrote it when he was like forty, but
he just wanted it to be there in case something
happened to him, and then he died it you know,
(23:39):
later in life. I don't recall the details, but yeah,
that reminds me of the instant.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
His name is slipping my mind. He was a it Israeli.
Oh yeah, that defends sure official and he came out
and he's him Ashd. I just looked it up PM
my shed. Yeah, he came out and said that there's
this kind of like federation of planet's essentially, and it's easy.
(24:09):
I guess you're right if somebody's old enough to just go,
you know, their brain's not all there anymore. Sure, But
so you know where's the cutoff there? I mean, is
it seventy five, eighty eighty five? You know, it seems
a bit unfair just to say someone's old.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Some people get delusional at thirty five. I mean, this happens, right,
It's hard to okay, But you know, how do you
get this Colonel Corso rise to that level in the
military government. You don't get to that level John Mack.
You don't get to his level of head of psychiatry
at Harvard if you don't have your shit together, you
(24:46):
know what I'm saying. So I feel like there's an
inadequate weight to put on people like John Mack, like
Avi Lobe, like people that rise to the top of
their profession that are respected world wide. Then they make
a comment about this, and now suddenly they're a wacko.
That makes no sense to me at all. These guys
(25:07):
get to that position for a reason, and we trust
in them. Why aren't we trusting in them now? And
I give them credit, and I feel like that is
the preponderance of evidence that makes me feel compelled that
there's something more here. And I also agree that we
need to, you know, put more scientific resource to this.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yet with that in mind, what do you see now
or maybe what was talked out at contacts in the
desert talks about that is ahead of the curve or
looking forward as far as studying the phenomena.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well, if you think I have time to watch any
of the presentations, that's hilarious. I do not. But but
what I can say is it's things just like this.
What it is is technology. And we just spoke about
Avy Lobe and you know they of the new telescope
coming on in Chili called the ELT, which I love
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because it's extra large telescope Billy, but it's forty meters across,
it's ginormous. It's going to scan the whole sky in
like forty minutes. And there's there's two others. I don't
recall their names. They're not as easy as an extra
large telescope. And he talked to me about how you
know they're gonna be able to triangulate these three from
(26:26):
three places on the Earth, and they can do so
much more math and measure what's going on. And the
idea that this is to be able to triangulate, right,
I think is what he was saying, right, And you
can see so much more. And as he says he's
looking for trash, he's looking for a probe or something
that fell off a intergalactic ship or something that's floating
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through their trash would be a technological marvel to us
most likely.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Right, those little tiny spherals that he found in the Pacific. Yeah,
I know the story is not over there. There's still
more testing to do, and I know they're going to
go back down again.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
They're going back down. Absolutely. There's these telescopes and artificial
intelligence as well, which is now able to decipher these
things in the sky. So they're going to feed a
lot of this data in the AI. That's a planet,
that's a sun, that's a star, that's you know, all
these star in the sun, the same but all these objects.
(27:27):
That's an asteroid, that's a meteor, that's a plane, that's
a helicopter. Okay, this is an anomalous object. So a human,
you know, it would take forever to go through this data.
The AI can call all this data and say these
forty objects were anomalists. Everything else we already know what
it is, shooting star, it's a plane, it's a whatever.
(27:51):
So I think AI going through all of this data
these telescopes are looking at is going to make a
world of difference and hopefully discover more AI will be.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Able to recognize more than a human anomalous craft objects.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And then and then obviously a human can look at
those forty and maybe come up with the answer of
what those are. But easier to look at forty than
seventeen million, which is you know, the kind of data
that these things exactly yeah, create incredible. So I do
think it's very promising for the future as far as
that's concerned, I think, And you know, another big thing
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was Danny was Danny Sheehan, and I was endorsing, putting
out joining the new Paradigm Institute. He's really pushing legislation.
Did you know that that Schumer Rounds bill is going
back to the floor in its original form. Very rarely
do bills get reintroduced in its original form. Yes, sir,
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sixty eight pages. The original bill is going back to
the floor in five weeks. If this gets past, it
will really do things because it provides whistleblow or protection
for people who want to come forward. It provides places
for people to report these things. It really would make
a difference for this community. So we're hoping that that passes.
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I mean that would be.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Where is the passing because then the National Defense Authorization
Act is where it's been placed in the past, which
doesn't usually get voted onto what like November or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I I do not know the answer, but my understanding
was it might be a standalone bill like it was
the first time. Oh interesting, because it's in five or something.
It's like in July. Wow, So that's incredible. So if
that does get through, you know, maybe that will have
an effect on moving things forward.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
It certainly it couldn't hurt. It could only move us forward.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And I believe this just raises awareness and lets other
people in the world take this subject more seriously and
pay more attention to it. Which is good, and then
maybe that'll support scientific research to put more funding behind it.
Get the Galileo project that obvious behind fund these things.
This is what we need. We're not going to get
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disclosure from the government. There's no reason for them to disclose.
There's no impetus. If the government does in fact have
any of these technologies, a little tiny cabal that does
know that knowledge, they're going to keep it close to
the vest. Why would they share it. There's no reason
unless we know that some craft is coming in, is
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going to land somewhere, or another government's going to do it,
there's no reason to release that. So I think that's
highly unlikely. So in the meantime, at least get these
things through. At worst case scenario, it'd be great if
it really does work, But worst case scenario, it opens
up more knowledge and more awareness to the rest of
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the world who's not into this stuff. You know, I've
really noticed a little bit of a change this year.
I've been doing these interviews before contact, you know, three
four years in a row now, and just this year
I noticed an incredible change, Like it's not like you know,
since twenty seventeen, we've had this watershed moment. So we're
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already past the X Files music and the silliness, so
they already take it remotely serious in fact that X
Files is not silly. Okay, yeah, they already do that,
so that's good. But I feel like the very first
year I did this, they like don't know what to
do with this. So these little local newspeople will ask
me questions or the local newspaper asks me questions like
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so what's with UFOs? Like this general thing, you know,
like they just don't really know what to ask. This year,
I had these incredible questions. Do you think that the hearing,
the briefing that took place on me first will help
move the needle? Do you think they're going to get
this guy brushed into a skiff? Like they knew the
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names and the players some things that are happening, And
I think that's great. I've noticed a real sea change
there in my view, anecdotally just in my little world,
that there are more people aware of this and taking
it a little more serious and have a little bit
more knowledge about it, which is I think really exciting. Yeah,
it really is.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And speaking of really good, you know, specific questions, Greg
Howe has a question what does Captain Ron make a skywatcher?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
While this could be amazing, you know, these guys have
made some really bold claims saying that they have this
dog whistle technique where they're able to summon UFOs with
near one, you know, one hundred percent of the time.
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That's hard to believe. And they also said by the
end of the year that they would make an announcement
about this. So I will be very curious first in
line to see what they have to say by the
end of the year, because if that's all in fact true,
here's how you get disclosure. You get a group of
these guys that break away from that organization, whatever it
may have been, and do it on their own. If
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this really is happening, I love it. I'm all for it.
Let him do it. That's great. Do you recall.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
A guy who used to go by prophet.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeahweh, yeah, I do, I do. He'd call in, he'd
summon the UFOs. You know a lot of these guys
have done that, several of these guys.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's what I would go back and I've seen those
videos right and at the time there was literally there
was one in particular where he was being interviewed for
like a news channel, and he pulled this off, and
I'm like, and this is pre drone right, right, this
is pre drone era, And I'm going, that's phenomenal. I
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don't This is not David Copperfield inside the Big Dome
in Las vag This is a guy in the middle
of wherever they met the reporter and this there's an
object coming from the sky right when he calls it,
and I can't explain it.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
And so when people talk about CE five, I have
to be open to that possibility and I have to
be open that to stywatcher may be very well capable
of doing this and capturing on camera.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And yeah, Jake Barber obviously brought the whole psionics thing
to the forefront when he went out with Across Colehart.
And I feel like, wouldn't these there's I can't think
of the other guy's name. Now, we had a guy
at one of these events a couple of years ago,
not profit you, but another one of these guys who
calls him in uh boy when they feel vindicated. Because
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that's basically what Jake Barber is saying. Those guys are
able to in fact too, so it would be incredible.
And now, you know, there's still the vast majority of
people will say, how do we know that that's an
alien craft? That's something? Sure, it's it's something. I don't
know what that is, but it's something. So uh, if
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these guys can dog whistle it though, and have it
work ninety nine percent of the time, there's a game
changer right there.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, I think it doesn't even need to work that often, right,
It just needs to work often enough because they are
going to have a multisensor system hopefully right to crobrea
because and then you know, doctor Gary Nolan had mentioned
that he wants to see more data and he expects.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
That they're going to provide that eventually. Most people still
won't believe it, you.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Know, I love right, And that's to my point is
you have someone like the prophet Yahweh at the time,
and it didn't matter, it didn't matter that he could
do this thing. People just when they don't want to
believe it anyway. And I think that this is the
problem with a lot of a lot of scientists.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yes, let's be honest with you, Ellen. Don't you think
that I'm sorry we didn't cut you off there.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I'm sorry, Well, I was just going to say that
a lot of scientists, yes, they have, you know, the
institutional pressures all right, to go along with the narrative.
But I do think a lot of honest, good people
who were scientists just have a really hard time accepting
that this is possible. And I think that you know,
that creates a blindness.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know, agreed, And I think that the mainstream world,
I think there's a blindness to it. But I think
just being completely honest here and forthright, is that to
the mainstream audience and to the scientists. A guy saying
my name is prophet Yahweh, and I call him in
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as a bigger reach. Then I'm a military official that
was in this black ops program, and we have the
scientific equipment and we're going to measure this, and we're
going to do it this way. I think that's an
easier pill to swallow than profit Yahweh and those guys.
So maybe this will get a little bit more. Maybe
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they're both doing the exact same thing, but it's more palatable,
I think coming from military guys who claimed to be
first hand witnesses of actually recovering non human craft. So
I think that's a stronger thing to help us, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, David Grush did go into a skiff recently?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Did he not? Did he finally go in? I keep
hearing that. I mean, up till like a month ago,
he had never been in a skiff, which I was
shocked by. Right supposedly April twenty ninth, he was going
to go. I don't know if it happened, and then
they maybe rescheduled it. But finally I think if he hasn't,
he's going to which is great. I don't know why
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that didn't happen a week after, but.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well, just Matthew Brown who came out recently and spoke
to Russ's cold Heart. He came out because of, you know,
the likes of David Crush, and there was a communication
that was going on behind the scenes there. And it
seems to me that it's not coincidental that right before
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or right after Matthew Brown you know, went on air
with Ross coltheart that Crush was ready to go into
the skiff, because people said, where's this long article? When's
he gonna go into the skiff? And I think that
there's still a palatable fear I mean they whoever they are,
certainly released information to the Independent reporter who released information
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about Grush's private life, you know, regarding his PTSD and
and home life. So I can imagine that he was
waiting till there's more numbers. You know, they had Jake
Barber and shortly before that as well, the other gentleman.
I forget the border control, right.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I think Brown isn't he the.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yes, he was the one that discovered the mechlic comfort.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, right, and he came forward now and admitted who
he was, which is great. And then I think he
went on Weaponized and talked about it, which was also great.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Ye Oh, I'm sorry. It wasn't It wasn't Russ Coulthart.
It was weaponized.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's what it was, because uh yeah, that's
what don't worries brother. You know, we had Ross here.
He was so great and so generous with his time,
and he did a lecture in a workshop, and he
he spoke at our banquet, and he spoke, he did
a live version of his podcast Need to Know with
Price is Abel and he's great and I think he
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is uh a good face of this to be out
in the front respected journalist. He's very much like George Knapp,
you know, so we have these guys out there. We
need more of him, to be honest, but I think
it's great having him there pushing this forward and uh,
you know, he'll get it out to us, which is great. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Well, he's a trained journalists and he's also, you know,
you know, partly because of that, a great communicator as well,
and I think that's what's been missing, and that's why
people clamor they want the mainstream media to pick it up.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You know, he's on News Nation, which does have some reach,
and I think that's wonderful. And you know, I'd like
to get a guy on NBC to start doing this
or putting his stories the right right.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
With the same depth right of research and questioning and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And he's also I can't say enough about him. I
mean I really just was so blown. Such a nice
guy and such a gentleman, and so that's so good
to hear behind. I mean, he's just a really great guy. Yeah.
I was very thankful to get him. Yeah, so you
got a chance to hang out and chat with him
a bit, oh yeah, and I introduced him at various
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things and yeah, He's terrific, just just just everything you
want him to be. That sounds sounds great. Now. I
would love to see.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
A team up of Georgie Knapp and Ross Coldheart and
do some sort of investigative piece.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I think that would be a dream. Sure, one of
these things like Skywatcher comes forward. I think a lot
of people are going to be clamoring to you know,
get that.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, I mean maybe in the future there'll be a
contact in the desert where where they're both there.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Well, they were both there this year at the same time.
Well they didn't go on stage together, but they both
were at this year's event, which I'd love to hear
a conversation between We like these kind of guys. These
are the you know, these are the kind of people
that we want to represent, this community that we want
to get our stories from. You know, we really want
to lean into these guys that are serious investigative journalists,
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serious people, serious minded people looking at this topic, academia scientists,
those kind of reporters. That's what we're trying to do, right.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
So we've got another question here from Greg and said
the UFO footage that Coulthard had from Greenland is pretty
statement from Greenland is pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know which one that
is and that is, but I do have on here.
Let's say you can pull up this image.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
This is from the Jake Barber interview.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, but that's not Jake Barber's footage is.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
And that was a little misleading at the time, but
it has since been clarified. But when you when you
saw this footage itself, what did you what do you
make of it?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Well, you know, when I first saw it, it was interesting.
It wasn't at all what we expected, of course, because
you you know, I don't think I expected a nineteen
fifties flying saucer. But it's weird. It's like this green
infrared thing or whatever, you know. So yeah, yeah, so
(43:06):
I was a little disappointed that there was a more clarity.
I mean, yes, that very well, maybe what he says
it is, but not a lot of detail here is there?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
No, No, not enough detail.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I think it's you know, I think they think that's
it might be a legitimate thing. Why that other guy
Lou showed up with a photo somebody gave him yesterday
on the briefing on May first is beyond me and
I just I feel like we can't have those kind
of mistakes. Now you get a chance to go before Congress,
bring in the best photo you've got that's been vetted
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from here to heaven, right.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, behind the scenes. In lou El's on his book Imminent,
he discusses this faction I guess, for lack of a
better word, that seems to be religiously or demonically inclined
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that they interpret UFOs as such. Do you think that
that is just people who are, whether they are in
position of knowledge or not in a higher ups Are
they just kind of overlaying or interpreting the phenomena through
their own religious paradigm.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I think that's been going on forever, that everybody sees
us through their own paradigm. I feel like Willie Straber
did a good job of this way back in Communion,
where he wrote a he reprinted a passage from I
forget hundreds and hundreds of years ago, and it was
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we went out to the forest and these fairies came
down from the trees, and they had big eyes, and
they had four fingers, and they were spinally and they
looked gray, and they had almond shaped eyes. And then
you turn the page and it's the guy says, this
alien came down from the sky, and it's The passages
are extremely similar, but one was from eight hundred whatever
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number one, hundreds of years ago, but he described it
as fairies from the trees because that's his paradigm. And
then somebody from today's world would think from the spacecraft
that they're angels or demons or well, then there's people
that have the religious connotation. Then some people say it's
a gin, and some people say it's a spirit or
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I think it's very possible that a lot of these
things are the same. They're just putting different definitions on it.
You know, I saw mother Mary or whatever, or I
saw my grandmother, I saw whatever they feel, whatever lens
they're looking through, I think is oftentimes the way they
would describe it, which would make sense because you know,
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we all have that to work with.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Which also makes it more difficult to study. I was
talking to a while back, David Halpern, religious studies professor,
you know, mythologist, and he interpreted the Betty and Barney
Hill case as kind of a a Youngian, you know,
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dream like state where the the trauma and the fears
of Barney being a black man married to a white
woman and being involved in civil rights kind of you know,
manifested itself because he sometimes described the the men or
the beings as having these sort of leather jackets that
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were reminiscent of like, you know, Nazis, you know, the hat.
But then he saw also redheaded irishman, like literally described
as red Irishman. And his argument was that you know,
the like in his experience at the time, this was
nineteen sixty one, that the Irish were, you know, in
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his experience, were racist towards you know, black people.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
And then of course Nazism.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
There's that whole story, and that's all it was. It
was just this archetypal manifestation of a history of the past.
And he also makes other connections to slavery and you know,
because there they put a cup over his genital and
that was supposed to be symbolic of castration and you know,
just like and it's really interesting if you're looking at
(47:30):
it through mythologists perspective, however, one can easily say exactly
what you and I were talking about is that he
can take all of those fears, which all could be true,
all that information in his subconscious to fill in the
gap and kind of interpret what he experienced. Because let's
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just say they were abducted. It's obvious that whoever abducted
them didn't want them to have a clear memory what
was going on, and so I imagine the subconscious just filled
in the spaces, and that's sense to.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Me, and I feel like it's a little bit of
a reach. And also luckily we had Betty there as well,
who has a similar account, and you know, she you
would think would have a different account.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Then exactly, Yeah, I have a question from Bernadette. She asks, uh,
point blank, what happened in Roswell.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Well, you know, when people ask me what my favorite
case is, I hate to say Roswell because it's such
a cliche and it's so overused, but it is Roswell,
And what I think happened is most likely an extraterrestrial
craft crash there. You know, if you look at the
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work of Don Schmidt and Tom Carey and others who
have done incredible work and have hundreds and hundreds of witnesses,
many many direct witnesses, many want a way, and there's
a lot of anecdotal evidence. There is a perfectly laid
(49:08):
out narrative that really fits well, and there's so much
data and so much evidence. I really find it to
be as compelling. The reason I like that case so
much is because there's so many witnesses and so many
pieces of data. I think, yeah, I think that's real.
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I really do. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
I think Don's interview like six hundred people something like
that related.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
To the Yeah. Yeah. And then there's even more that
they've talked to that don't even make it into the
official thing or whatever.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
So but was it extraterrestial? Is that way you think it?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
I do think, yes, I do lean that way. Again,
I think there's very very few of these cases, and
I think that's one of them. I think most cases
probably have another explanation, but there are some that are
probably not well. Need one man, we get one, you know.
And we talked about this earlier, about the deathbet confessions
and things, and there are those from Roswell as well,
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and you know, it's just so compelling to me that
and the excuses are so dumb that it's a weather
balloon and whatever, and all that stuff's been debunked and
changed and whatever. So I don't know, we talked about
the difference between talking to these guys in person that
you can kind of get a sense of them or whatever.
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What made this go over the line the fifty one
percent mark for me was Don Schmidt personally telling me
how he's interviewed these guys who are in their eighties
and they're, you know, a colonel or whatever their rank
is in the army. These are serious military guys from
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the fifties. And they fell into Don's lap, crying, balling
their eyes out and saying that Don, I have not
spoke one word about this in over fifty years, and
it's like this purge and and that's what that's what
moved Don to believe. And him recounting that to me
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is what moved me to believe because it's just so
strong that someone would would do that, you know, and
it's a shame that we probably missed on on a
lot of people's testimony. Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
We have another question from Greg, what's Ron's favorite obscure case?
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Well, I like Terry Lovelace. I don't would you call
that an obscure case? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
I think the mainstream, you know, UFO documentary series watching
audience and is very familiar.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
I would I would put it in that category. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
I think that case is very interesting. It's a little
lesser known case, but it's really cool. I like these.
I love these little stories of anecdotal evidence. Like I
think Terry's the one who they took the iPhone into
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the Apple store and it's like in the middle of
the night it was the GPS showed it was three
thousand feet in the air. Yeah, how is that happening?
I think that's incredible. And then you have the story
of him saying that that happened, that's why he took
the phone in, and they have that that explain that.
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You know, it's just like we were talking about the
telepathy tapes earlier. There's a story that I heard that
there's a little nine year old blind boy in the
UK apparently went to the eye doctor with his mother
and he's blind, born blind, never could see. But she
was going to the eye doctor. They're in the waiting
room and she's looking out behind the desk and she
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sees the eye chart, the famous classic, and the little
boy starts reading those letters out E five seven F whatever.
How is that opening? Right? That's pretty compelling to me.
You know, if it's true.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
If well, and that's the thing is we need more,
we need less if it's true and more.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Well, how do you do this? I mean, like talk
about it all the time. What do we track this
kid down and put them in a court of law?
What do you how do you you know what I mean,
it's it's it's it's tough because what do you do
you need a sworn AFFI David from this little boy?
I mean, what do we What's going to be the
level of proof that people will accept it's enough? You know.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I think I think that if you were to get
some individuals, a couple of individuals that you that could
you know, demonstrate like like you saw with your own eyes,
you know, demonstrate telepathy, Yeah, that on camera and repeat
it several times. I think that that that's really enough
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at the very least to get more universities.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Then we want so different research on all of these things. Man,
I'm highly skeptical of a lot of this stuff, but
you know, some of this does seem to have a
line of truth in it, and I think that's where
these things start.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
So yeah, but you do have to keep I think
even today. It's less worse now than let's say, nineteen
fifty five, but I think you have to keep some
anonymity to some of these individuals. Look look how people
do just doxing people online that they don't know just
because they don't like their opinions. And imagine if you
were to prove empirically that so and so individual is
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capable of telepathy, what kind of crazy people out there
would want to get close to them, maybe.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Go right after you. It's amazing because what's the point
of having all these credentials like doctor Dianne Hennessy Pouell
has or doctor Avi Lobe has, is you know, the
head of astronomy at Harvard? Is that not enough? Who
do you want saying this? You know, I get when
we saw that crazy guy in the corner screaming in
downtown la oh I saw a UFO. Okay, fair enough,
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But doctor Rovy Lobe look where this guy got in
his life exactly? Yeah, Well, and he's got it together.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
He knows that he really knows how to navigate this
well without affecting his respectability. I think for the most part,
and his standing in the scientific community agree. But I
was thinking more in terms of the subject, like keeping
the subject safe, right, because some of these people are
you know, kids, and if all of a sudden they
become famous for being telepathic, I think you have a
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lot of unhealthy people that would either try to harm
for sure.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Now the good news is these these aren't kids that
are on the internet. They're they're not they're not inverbal,
they're not able. They have so many difficulties. Sure, And
that's the thing when you talk to doctor Diane, how
she again, she's just trying to help these kids, you know,
they have many challenges. And then now she's expanding into
(56:05):
this other area.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
There is something to be said about the obscure cases.
My first move on case that I ever took was
a report that was you know, twenty over twenty years
late and or just just twenty years late. And the
guy was a contractor, you know, so he understood scale
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and size and distance pretty well. And he saw it
in his neighborhood, you know, during his regular routine so
familiar encounters. And what he saw was ann elongated cuboidal
black thing about one hundred and fifty feet wide long,
just floating above you know, the apartment buildings, the residential
(56:53):
apartment buildings and then silently watched it float away. Those
are the sports that really get me because this guy
just he called because he saw something on TV and
he thought.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, maybe I should report that. That's it.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
He did the reporting, and he moved on with his life.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, that doesn't mean it's quote unquote alien. I mean
it could be our technology is work, yes, sure, but
even that's fascinating, right.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, exactly. Ron, We're at the end and I'd love
shotting with you. If you can leave us with one
thought whatever it would be.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Well, I think you know, just as always, contact, hearing
and seeing the things that were going on just shows
you that there is more out there than three D
Newtonian view of the world. There's definitely more. I have
moved in thirteen years more that way. No idea what
it is, but just between synchronicities and things that happen
(57:54):
and testimonials, I definitely think there's more. So we should
put more attention and scientific research to this because it's
worth a luck.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
All right, awesome, thanks son, Ron. Uh So, if you
want to find out more about Ron and Contact in
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Speaker 2 (58:14):
Pretty simple. I'll put that in.
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dot com slash oops wrong on, hold on, We'll get it. Yes,
those last week's contacts in the Desert as well, and
that's it. So thank you all for hanging Thanks, great question, guys,
(58:36):
I really appreciate that. As a friendly reminder of this
podcast is rebroadcast on the ONEX Network every Thursday night
eleven pm Pacific time, two am Eastern Friday mornings. Ron
I forgot to ask you, are you a coffee drinker?
Speaker 2 (58:51):
I am not. You're not, Okay, I'm not, but I do.
That is caffeine is my drug of choice, but I
just do. Okay, I'm an energy drink guy. Really, are
you like red Bull Monster? Yeah? Like like like, yeah,
that's worse, isn't it. It's way worse. But but that's
just the facts.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah, thanks Captain ro and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Always fun talking to me Alan. All right, and thank
you guys again.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
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So thank you. Until next time, peace and love everyone,
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However you are and whenever you are, welcome, good souls
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(00:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:48):
How are you, hey, Alan, Great to see you man,
you too talks with you on this show. Yeah, absolutely
appreciate you. You coming back.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So I am curious before we get into a little
bit of what contact was like this past year, you know,
as a reminder, how did you get involved in UFO
and UAP research in the first place.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, I've always had an interest in it, you know,
going back, you know, my whole life pretty much, I've
had just like just a curiosity, just enjoyed things. I
like things that I don't know about. So any mysteries,
anything unknown is always fun for me, whether it be
you know, so the in Search of show Nova show,
those kind of things always interested me. And then reading
(02:31):
Communion and reading Van Dalligan's Chariots of the Gods really
got my interest peaked. So it was right when Communion
came out that I really kind of delved into this,
and then, you know, I didn't do anything with it
other than just sort of had a curiosity and enjoyed
those type shows. And then about twelve thirteen years ago,
(02:54):
I got started on a podcast, but it was a
different topic. And the guy that owned the station, Tony Sweet,
at a UFO show and he says, hey, you know
all about this stuff, why don't you come on a
co host with me? And then I did, and then
that just led me write down the thing because every
week we'd have somebody on, I would read their book
or watch their lecture and research them and just dig in,
(03:17):
dig in, dig in, And then next thing you know,
you know, this is one of those things. The more
you know, the more there is too no, so you
just keep going down this rabbit hole. So now I
know much about this subject. Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's it's one of those topics where you hear people
say and I've done it myself to some degree, where
they've taken a break from it for a little while
and then they come back to it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because a lot of people do that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Right, yeah, because it does take you kind of down
a rabbit hole. You know, questions lead to more questions.
So even though it's fascinating, it's it's captivating and you
can't get enough of it, it can be a little frustrating.
So that's actually a really good lead into contact in
a desert, you know, because what what do you think
(04:06):
was highlighted at the conference this year that was kind
of novel or you know, really got people's attention.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh, I got ob several of them for you. They
you know, excuse me. The frustrating thing that you're talking about,
You know, that is a real thing because we're dealing
with an unknown so it's not like we ever get
to the answer. It's not like, oh God, I've been
doing this ten years and now I know what's happening.
Nobody knows what's happening. You know. The top guys that
have experiences don't know what's happening. You know. H Yeah,
(04:33):
there's an unexplained phenomenon out there. The neat thing this
year for me personally, was exactly what I thought going
into it was doctor Diane Hennessy Powell. If you're familiar
with the Telepia, yeah, she was on a few weeks ago. Actually,
she is absolutely outstanding. I am a huge fan in
order I totally endorse her. I think it's incredible. We
(04:56):
did a live demonstration with Hakeem who brought in this
wonderful woman and her daughter, and it's like magic. Like
I was literally running around the audience, Allen, it was
so incredible, I mean magic. What was like like I
would run around the back of the audience. The mother
(05:19):
would come and I would say, name a movie or book.
I mean that, Think about how many of those there are?
Sure anything. I would have ten pens with me markers.
I'd let one random person in the audience in the
back of the hall pick a pen. Then the next one,
I'd say, right on this whiteboard, the title of a
(05:43):
film or book or whatever. This a little fourteen year
old girl probably, you know, she has so many struggles
she does. It's not like she's seen all these movies.
So the mother looks at the title, and the little girl,
you know, with her finger types on a a letter
board with ABCD, you know, so she can point to
(06:03):
the letters because she's nonverbal. Yeah, and she writes, life
is like a box of chocolates. And then I hold
up for the audience. Of course, it's Forrest Gump. That's nuts.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So so I've listened to the celebrity tapes. You know,
I haven't gotten through all of them yet. I just
kind of started season two and you hear this anecdotally.
So what you're saying is you witnessed it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, we did a live demonstration like forty minutes or more.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So it takes someone's word on this. You got to
see it with your own eyes.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And not only that, It's like, even when I see
the guy in the audience, I always think, well, he's
a plant. He's gonna they're gonna say the movie they want.
But it was me, and I'm swearing to everyone this
was a thousand percent real. I have no idea how
this could be done. Also, you know, I this is
(07:00):
one of these hoaxing things. These people have challenging lives.
You're raising someone who is a savant, who is extremely
far on the autism spectrum. This is not somebody that's
out there trying to prank our hoax. I mean, they're
ever a hard time getting through the day to get
this person to sit still for five minutes. They have
(07:21):
a lot of challenges. So I'm not saying there's not
people out there hoaxing it. But certainly the people that
Hakem and Diane brought in were not, in my opinion,
in any way, shape or form, doing anything to be deceptive.
They were the sweetest, nicest people you've ever met, and
(07:41):
they performed these incredible feats that I don't know what
else it is. I guess it's even Doctor Diane Hennessy
doesn't say telepathy. She doesn't often say that. She says
a non traditional form of communication. That's how she'll describe
it sometimes some wo how this this lady is getting
(08:03):
her daughter to know that this is the movie and
this is the quote. This is a movie. The girl
doesn't even know it could be anything. I mean, it's
just so random.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, I think the skeptical response is maybe there's physical movements,
you know, blinking of an eye. But especially as more complicated,
a response becomes like a full on sentence, you know,
quote from a movie. Not only that, but I know
that doctor Powell, she she's you know, put people in
like separate spaces, right, correct.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, it's very difficult because, of course, when I first
met doctor Paul, to be honest, when this first came
to me about eight months ago, Steve Bassett. I think,
you know, Steve, he brought her to me and said, hey,
we should have this woman on. She does telepathy. Stop
right there, I'm not doing it. That's you know, contact
tries to take a very academic, scientific Look, we're not
(08:57):
going down that road. He's like, look her up, check
it out. And I did. And you know, she went
to John Hopkins and she taught at Harvard and she's
been working with these children for thirteen fourteen years, and
she's got a very scientific approach and this is like
a real phenomenon. She's not trying to do telepathy. She's
trying to help people and help these children. And then
(09:20):
it turns out they've sort of stumbled upon this that
the parents feel sometimes they get an image in their
brain or vice versa. The kid seems to know what
they went to get, you know, things like that. So
she sort of stumbled upon it. And I said, well, listen,
why don't you just go to a lab, lock it
down and prove this to the world. We'll all know tomorrow.
(09:41):
And she's like, well, they want to do that, but
many of these children, we were so lucky. This little
girl's name was lead Lead Dough and she was amazing.
She's way more high functioning than many of these people,
according to doctor Diana. Doctor Dane Hennessy Paul was telling
(10:02):
me how many of these children, I mean, these are
kids who like smear feces on the wall and scream
all day. They can't like leave their house and go
to a lab and sit in a farty cage for
six hours. It just doesn't it's not practical, it's not real.
It's fascinating as you dive into this, how you know,
(10:24):
there's all levels. Some people can only connect with their
mother or caregiver. Other kids can hear other people's mind.
And she told me about children who like just were
screaming and couldn't sit still. So the parents like moved
out to the desert and then the kid was fine. Yeah,
because you could only hear two voices, the mother and
the father, instead of everybody's voice. So this is a
(10:47):
challenging thing to even get them to a lab. This
little girl did such an amazing job for us. They
said she normally cannot sit in a chair more than
ten or fifteen minutes. She sat there for ninety minutes
the time, and it did an amazing, amazing demonstration.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
That that's a feat of a focus on her part
for sure. I think that what I really appreciate about
doctor Powell, and you know, by proxy the telepathy tapes,
is that aside from or because of, the topic of
these alleged psychic abilities, right, there's actually an awareness that
(11:25):
is brought about, you know, a neurotypical individuals and you know,
you might be walking through a mall and and there's
someone who's autistic and they're kind of they're making sounds
or noises or you know, moving physically in ways that
you you know, seems really awkward and off, and they
(11:46):
on the outside you think, oh, there's something wrong with them,
But in reality, what's happening is like that my understanding
is that there's this kind of like there's not the
same kind of connect that we have between the body,
like how the body physically feels and the mind, Like
there's a kind of a space there.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, if you delve really far into this. In just
my discussions with doctor Paul, she was saying that it
is almost like an out of body thing where many
of these kids they're able. In fact, they meet each
other on this place called the hill. You might have
heard that in case where they like when they sleep
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or when they shut down, they just kind of shut
down and their brain goes to this place and they
talk to other kids who have the same thing, that
are from somewhere else. And she's got stories of information
that was relayed from one kid to another that how
could that possibly happen. I think if we can get
(12:49):
some serious labs on this and prove this, it'll change
the world. I was extremely moved by this. I did
not feel this was trickery. These are not the kind
of people. These people have had very difficult lives, many
of them, you know, they didn't discover these abilities till recently.
(13:09):
So the whole time with this kid, they didn't. The
stories Doctor Diane will say is that, you know, these kids,
the mother will say, he's in there. I didn't even
know he was in there. And they learned to type
on the computer and suddenly he can communicate, and it's
like they've discovered that their child is in there. It's
(13:30):
almost like when somebody has a coma. You know, Mark
D'Antonio was in a coma for a long time and
he talks about how his parents came into the room
and the doctor was saying Yep, he probably won't recover.
We'll never and Mark's inside screaming, I'm here. You know,
these are real things, these are documented cases. This is
(13:52):
it's incredible. Clearly shows that there's more to the human
mind and brain that we don't fully understand yet.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
How does that connect, you think, to extraterrestrials or non.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Evolve Obviously, the the very common report from many many
quote unquote contact these abductees is that there's telepathic communication.
So that's how it kind of fits right into our
UFO world, is that these beings, whatever they are, what
they call them, the visitors, seem to communicate telepathically. That
(14:24):
is like a staple. I mean almost I can't even
think of cases where they said that they didn't do
telepathic that it was verbal communication. Can you think of one?
I can't. No, It's almost always telepathic, right right.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So it's interesting because this is like a skeptics of
debunkers will try to debunk the abduction or contact the
experience by saying, well, look, humans can't even do psychic
abilities in the first place. This is just kind of
that alone, you know, dismisses the entire.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, once we prove that that's real. Then that something else,
because that just because we prove we have telepathic abilities
does not now mean we're communicating with aliens of course, right, But.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
If you if we can prove that humans do have
the capacity to communicate psychically, when an abductee or an
experiencer says I had this experience, then the scientists would
no longer be able to say, uh, well, we're not
even capable of doing that. That's absurd, that's you know, fantasy, right,
And then now it's like, oh okay, if we can
(15:32):
do that, then I can't close that door, right, and
it makes it more difficult to debunk these experiences.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Absolutely, or you would think that maybe an et race
or whatever has that ability to put thoughts in your mind.
That doesn't mean that we as humans have it necessarily,
you know, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, although although there are you know, plenty of I
would say plenty of experience or reports where they express
fear and the entity would say, don't be afraid, right,
that sort of thing, and that's something that they're thinking.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Don't be afraid. I would be scared shitless and don't
be afraid.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I mean, well, you know, it's interesting because I can imagine,
imagine not in many years from now, you know, or today,
even if AI were the one doing the abduction, right,
that might be the kind of a non human response,
you know, like a thing that doesn't understand feeling in
the sure.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I've always felt, and I've often talked about on
my show that I feel that, you know, I know,
we have claimed contact the abductions already, but aside from that,
if we did have more of a formal contact with
an alien race from from somewhere else in the universe,
I would think it would be AI to AI, because
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there's no way we would understand that language or the
way they communicate, but artificial intelligence might might be able
to decipheratns or whatever and decipher that language or that
way that they're communicating. And I would think also on
the other side of it, just like us, we're sending
out probes and AI out into the universe. That's what
(17:12):
they're going to send. Why send a biological being that's
getting sick and dies and all these things you'd send
a machine, you'd send artificial intelligence. So most likely to me,
the first true formal contact would be AI to AI,
which is an interesting thing. Two forms of non human
intelligence will be our first form of contact with an
(17:35):
et race, which is official. Yeah, sure, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Do you believe that that people are being abducted by aliens?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I actually I now am leaning that yes they are.
I think there are credible cases that I am convinced
by and are supported by things like Travis Walton, who
I've got to know a little bit and done a
couple of specials with Sure, and I I feel that's
a very very compelling case. Whitley, I feel is very compelling.
(18:05):
You know, in nineteen eighty six, my skeptical mind went,
you know what, this guy's a science fiction writer. He
could have just made this up. But you know, here
we are now. He's eighty years old, he's never changed
this tune. He's still knee deep into this topic. And
I think he's awesome and very credible. So there are
(18:25):
a select number of cases that are very very compelling
to me, and all the other evidence, that sort of
ancillary evidence that supports this makes me think that this
is this is probably happening. Just like UFOs, I think
the vast majority of cases are probably not what people
think it is. But I do think that there are
(18:45):
as Stanton Freebo would say some some of these are
intelligently controlled non human intelligent craft. Some of these are
contact with a non human intelligence. I don't know what
it is. I don't know if it's people from the
other side of the afterlife, from the Akashak record, the
Gin aliens. I don't know what to call it or
(19:07):
what it is. But I do think some people are
having these experiences, and they are in fact probably real
on some level. I just I think the most of
them are not. I get very frustrated by any of
the videos you see that you hear the audio, the
immediate thing the guy says is, hey, look at UFO,
(19:30):
not like, hey, what's that. Let's start with the nine
hundred things it might be. Let's start right with the
nine hundredth that it might be. So I always like
to think, you know, let's wait till we get to
the let's eliminate all the others. But do I think
any of these are real? Yes? I think that there's
so many cases from these military guys, and a couple
(19:50):
of these videos pretty compelling.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I would say, very compelling. On particular cases. I think DEBRAA.
Jordan call, I think is very credible. Travis Walton, the
Betty and Barney Hill case, Terry Lovelace. I had the
pleasure of interviewing years ago. His is extraordinarily compelling because
of and sadly so the you know, the sort of
(20:17):
PTSD or emotional impact, the psychological impact it had on him,
and you can you can still see him living through it.
It stayed with him and.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
His friend who was with him and saw the same thing,
who then had all these issues as well, right right,
and became you know, I think drinking and addiction. Yeah,
you can imagine.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Of course, I mean, and it's it's certainly can be
seen as a coping mechanism to deal with what they
went through. Now it's easy to say this guy is
just a really good actor. It's easy to say that,
but like, as you know, when you spend years interviewing people,
(21:02):
you get a good sense of one, sue, Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And also you've probably had the experience as well when
you talk to them face to face and shake their hand.
There is just a thing. Yes, I could be kind,
but I mean, man, some of those guys are really
really compelling.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You know, what do you what do you do? And
I had an experience like this recently. What do you
do when you start talking to someone and you start
getting the inkling that there's a little charlatan that might
be coming through, and you're going, oh, man, I don't know,
you know how much to take?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, And you know, oftentimes, I very rarely do I
feel charlatan. I have encountered people that I felt that way,
But the vast majority of time, I'm worth think this
is probably a delusion or something else. But but who
am I to say. I mean, there's a chance that's not.
That's just my personal opinion. You know. I'm more compelled
(22:01):
by things like Harold Maelstrom, who at the end of
February did basically a deathbed confession. Here's a guy who
worked for five presidents and told Jesse Michaels that, oh, yeah,
I've seen bodies. I've seen craft. This is real. I
want my granddaughter to know this. There was a more
than one case from Roswell where a carnel will leave
(22:25):
a affidavit to be opened upon his death for his
granddaughter to know my name is so and so I'm
a sound mind. Blah blah blah blah. I want my
granddaughter to know that I saw bodies. I saw craft.
We're not alone in the universe. What compels a guy
in the fifties who's a military kind of guy to
(22:45):
do this? I mean that clearly not seeking money or
fame or whatever that you that people get out of this.
I mean I find those cases to be extremely compelling,
and I'm surprised they're not weighted more or I'm also
surprised how many people don't know about him, even in
our community. I'll mention those and they're like, what, I
(23:07):
don't know why it is.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
People don't take deathbed confessions very seriously. It's an odd
thing to me.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Well, this wasn't even a deathbed confession. These are this
is like I'm old now, I'm yeah. Well, but no,
they even wrote it when they were younger. They just
could as an Affidavid sealed, not to be opened until
upon my death. So it's not like he was delusional
at ninety and wrote this one of them. I think
the guy wrote it when he was like forty, but
he just wanted it to be there in case something
happened to him, and then he died it you know,
(23:39):
later in life. I don't recall the details, but yeah,
that reminds me of the instant.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
His name is slipping my mind. He was a it Israeli.
Oh yeah, that defends sure official and he came out
and he's him Ashd. I just looked it up PM
my shed. Yeah, he came out and said that there's
this kind of like federation of planet's essentially, and it's easy.
(24:09):
I guess you're right if somebody's old enough to just go,
you know, their brain's not all there anymore. Sure, But
so you know where's the cutoff there? I mean, is
it seventy five, eighty eighty five? You know, it seems
a bit unfair just to say someone's old.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Some people get delusional at thirty five. I mean, this happens, right,
It's hard to okay, But you know, how do you
get this Colonel Corso rise to that level in the
military government. You don't get to that level John Mack.
You don't get to his level of head of psychiatry
at Harvard if you don't have your shit together, you
(24:46):
know what I'm saying. So I feel like there's an
inadequate weight to put on people like John Mack, like
Avi Lobe, like people that rise to the top of
their profession that are respected world wide. Then they make
a comment about this, and now suddenly they're a wacko.
That makes no sense to me at all. These guys
(25:07):
get to that position for a reason, and we trust
in them. Why aren't we trusting in them now? And
I give them credit, and I feel like that is
the preponderance of evidence that makes me feel compelled that
there's something more here. And I also agree that we
need to, you know, put more scientific resource to this.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yet with that in mind, what do you see now
or maybe what was talked out at contacts in the
desert talks about that is ahead of the curve or
looking forward as far as studying the phenomena.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well, if you think I have time to watch any
of the presentations, that's hilarious. I do not. But but
what I can say is it's things just like this.
What it is is technology. And we just spoke about
Avy Lobe and you know they of the new telescope
coming on in Chili called the ELT, which I love
(26:04):
because it's extra large telescope Billy, but it's forty meters across,
it's ginormous. It's going to scan the whole sky in
like forty minutes. And there's there's two others. I don't
recall their names. They're not as easy as an extra
large telescope. And he talked to me about how you
know they're gonna be able to triangulate these three from
(26:26):
three places on the Earth, and they can do so
much more math and measure what's going on. And the
idea that this is to be able to triangulate, right,
I think is what he was saying, right, And you
can see so much more. And as he says he's
looking for trash, he's looking for a probe or something
that fell off a intergalactic ship or something that's floating
(26:49):
through their trash would be a technological marvel to us
most likely.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Right, those little tiny spherals that he found in the Pacific. Yeah,
I know the story is not over there. There's still
more testing to do, and I know they're going to
go back down again.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
They're going back down. Absolutely. There's these telescopes and artificial
intelligence as well, which is now able to decipher these
things in the sky. So they're going to feed a
lot of this data in the AI. That's a planet,
that's a sun, that's a star, that's you know, all
these star in the sun, the same but all these objects.
(27:27):
That's an asteroid, that's a meteor, that's a plane, that's
a helicopter. Okay, this is an anomalous object. So a human,
you know, it would take forever to go through this data.
The AI can call all this data and say these
forty objects were anomalists. Everything else we already know what
it is, shooting star, it's a plane, it's a whatever.
(27:51):
So I think AI going through all of this data
these telescopes are looking at is going to make a
world of difference and hopefully discover more AI will be.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Able to recognize more than a human anomalous craft objects.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And then and then obviously a human can look at
those forty and maybe come up with the answer of
what those are. But easier to look at forty than
seventeen million, which is you know, the kind of data
that these things exactly yeah, create incredible. So I do
think it's very promising for the future as far as
that's concerned, I think, And you know, another big thing
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was Danny was Danny Sheehan, and I was endorsing, putting
out joining the new Paradigm Institute. He's really pushing legislation.
Did you know that that Schumer Rounds bill is going
back to the floor in its original form. Very rarely
do bills get reintroduced in its original form. Yes, sir,
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sixty eight pages. The original bill is going back to
the floor in five weeks. If this gets past, it
will really do things because it provides whistleblow or protection
for people who want to come forward. It provides places
for people to report these things. It really would make
a difference for this community. So we're hoping that that passes.
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I mean that would be.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Where is the passing because then the National Defense Authorization
Act is where it's been placed in the past, which
doesn't usually get voted onto what like November or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I I do not know the answer, but my understanding
was it might be a standalone bill like it was
the first time. Oh interesting, because it's in five or something.
It's like in July. Wow, So that's incredible. So if
that does get through, you know, maybe that will have
an effect on moving things forward.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
It certainly it couldn't hurt. It could only move us forward.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
And I believe this just raises awareness and lets other
people in the world take this subject more seriously and
pay more attention to it. Which is good, and then
maybe that'll support scientific research to put more funding behind it.
Get the Galileo project that obvious behind fund these things.
This is what we need. We're not going to get
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disclosure from the government. There's no reason for them to disclose.
There's no impetus. If the government does in fact have
any of these technologies, a little tiny cabal that does
know that knowledge, they're going to keep it close to
the vest. Why would they share it. There's no reason
unless we know that some craft is coming in, is
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going to land somewhere, or another government's going to do it,
there's no reason to release that. So I think that's
highly unlikely. So in the meantime, at least get these
things through. At worst case scenario, it'd be great if
it really does work, But worst case scenario, it opens
up more knowledge and more awareness to the rest of
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the world who's not into this stuff. You know, I've
really noticed a little bit of a change this year.
I've been doing these interviews before contact, you know, three
four years in a row now, and just this year
I noticed an incredible change, Like it's not like you know,
since twenty seventeen, we've had this watershed moment. So we're
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already past the X Files music and the silliness, so
they already take it remotely serious in fact that X
Files is not silly. Okay, yeah, they already do that,
so that's good. But I feel like the very first
year I did this, they like don't know what to
do with this. So these little local newspeople will ask
me questions or the local newspaper asks me questions like
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so what's with UFOs? Like this general thing, you know,
like they just don't really know what to ask. This year,
I had these incredible questions. Do you think that the hearing,
the briefing that took place on me first will help
move the needle? Do you think they're going to get
this guy brushed into a skiff? Like they knew the
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names and the players some things that are happening, And
I think that's great. I've noticed a real sea change
there in my view, anecdotally just in my little world,
that there are more people aware of this and taking
it a little more serious and have a little bit
more knowledge about it, which is I think really exciting. Yeah,
it really is.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And speaking of really good, you know, specific questions, Greg
Howe has a question what does Captain Ron make a skywatcher?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
While this could be amazing, you know, these guys have
made some really bold claims saying that they have this
dog whistle technique where they're able to summon UFOs with
near one, you know, one hundred percent of the time.
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That's hard to believe. And they also said by the
end of the year that they would make an announcement
about this. So I will be very curious first in
line to see what they have to say by the
end of the year, because if that's all in fact true,
here's how you get disclosure. You get a group of
these guys that break away from that organization, whatever it
may have been, and do it on their own. If
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this really is happening, I love it. I'm all for it.
Let him do it. That's great. Do you recall.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
A guy who used to go by prophet.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeahweh, yeah, I do, I do. He'd call in, he'd
summon the UFOs. You know a lot of these guys
have done that, several of these guys.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's what I would go back and I've seen those
videos right and at the time there was literally there
was one in particular where he was being interviewed for
like a news channel, and he pulled this off, and
I'm like, and this is pre drone right, right, this
is pre drone era, And I'm going, that's phenomenal. I
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don't This is not David Copperfield inside the Big Dome
in Las vag This is a guy in the middle
of wherever they met the reporter and this there's an
object coming from the sky right when he calls it,
and I can't explain it.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
And so when people talk about CE five, I have
to be open to that possibility and I have to
be open that to stywatcher may be very well capable
of doing this and capturing on camera.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And yeah, Jake Barber obviously brought the whole psionics thing
to the forefront when he went out with Across Colehart.
And I feel like, wouldn't these there's I can't think
of the other guy's name. Now, we had a guy
at one of these events a couple of years ago,
not profit you, but another one of these guys who
calls him in uh boy when they feel vindicated. Because
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that's basically what Jake Barber is saying. Those guys are
able to in fact too, so it would be incredible.
And now, you know, there's still the vast majority of
people will say, how do we know that that's an
alien craft? That's something? Sure, it's it's something. I don't
know what that is, but it's something. So uh, if
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these guys can dog whistle it though, and have it
work ninety nine percent of the time, there's a game
changer right there.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, I think it doesn't even need to work that often, right,
It just needs to work often enough because they are
going to have a multisensor system hopefully right to crobrea
because and then you know, doctor Gary Nolan had mentioned
that he wants to see more data and he expects.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
That they're going to provide that eventually. Most people still
won't believe it, you.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Know, I love right, And that's to my point is
you have someone like the prophet Yahweh at the time,
and it didn't matter, it didn't matter that he could
do this thing. People just when they don't want to
believe it anyway. And I think that this is the
problem with a lot of a lot of scientists.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yes, let's be honest with you, Ellen. Don't you think
that I'm sorry we didn't cut you off there.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I'm sorry, Well, I was just going to say that
a lot of scientists, yes, they have, you know, the
institutional pressures all right, to go along with the narrative.
But I do think a lot of honest, good people
who were scientists just have a really hard time accepting
that this is possible. And I think that you know,
that creates a blindness.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know, agreed, And I think that the mainstream world,
I think there's a blindness to it. But I think
just being completely honest here and forthright, is that to
the mainstream audience and to the scientists. A guy saying
my name is prophet Yahweh, and I call him in
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as a bigger reach. Then I'm a military official that
was in this black ops program, and we have the
scientific equipment and we're going to measure this, and we're
going to do it this way. I think that's an
easier pill to swallow than profit Yahweh and those guys.
So maybe this will get a little bit more. Maybe
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they're both doing the exact same thing, but it's more palatable,
I think coming from military guys who claimed to be
first hand witnesses of actually recovering non human craft. So
I think that's a stronger thing to help us, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, David Grush did go into a skiff recently?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Did he not? Did he finally go in? I keep
hearing that. I mean, up till like a month ago,
he had never been in a skiff, which I was
shocked by. Right supposedly April twenty ninth, he was going
to go. I don't know if it happened, and then
they maybe rescheduled it. But finally I think if he hasn't,
he's going to which is great. I don't know why
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that didn't happen a week after, but.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well, just Matthew Brown who came out recently and spoke
to Russ's cold Heart. He came out because of, you know,
the likes of David Crush, and there was a communication
that was going on behind the scenes there. And it
seems to me that it's not coincidental that right before
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or right after Matthew Brown you know, went on air
with Ross coltheart that Crush was ready to go into
the skiff, because people said, where's this long article? When's
he gonna go into the skiff? And I think that
there's still a palatable fear I mean they whoever they are,
certainly released information to the Independent reporter who released information
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about Grush's private life, you know, regarding his PTSD and
and home life. So I can imagine that he was
waiting till there's more numbers. You know, they had Jake
Barber and shortly before that as well, the other gentleman.
I forget the border control, right.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I think Brown isn't he the.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yes, he was the one that discovered the mechlic comfort.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, right, and he came forward now and admitted who
he was, which is great. And then I think he
went on Weaponized and talked about it, which was also great.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Ye Oh, I'm sorry. It wasn't It wasn't Russ Coulthart.
It was weaponized.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's what it was, because uh yeah, that's
what don't worries brother. You know, we had Ross here.
He was so great and so generous with his time,
and he did a lecture in a workshop, and he
he spoke at our banquet, and he spoke, he did
a live version of his podcast Need to Know with
Price is Abel and he's great and I think he
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is uh a good face of this to be out
in the front respected journalist. He's very much like George Knapp,
you know, so we have these guys out there. We
need more of him, to be honest, but I think
it's great having him there pushing this forward and uh,
you know, he'll get it out to us, which is great. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Well, he's a trained journalists and he's also, you know,
you know, partly because of that, a great communicator as well,
and I think that's what's been missing, and that's why
people clamor they want the mainstream media to pick it up.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You know, he's on News Nation, which does have some reach,
and I think that's wonderful. And you know, I'd like
to get a guy on NBC to start doing this
or putting his stories the right right.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
With the same depth right of research and questioning and knowledge.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And he's also I can't say enough about him. I
mean I really just was so blown. Such a nice
guy and such a gentleman, and so that's so good
to hear behind. I mean, he's just a really great guy. Yeah.
I was very thankful to get him. Yeah, so you
got a chance to hang out and chat with him
a bit, oh yeah, and I introduced him at various
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things and yeah, He's terrific, just just just everything you
want him to be. That sounds sounds great. Now. I
would love to see.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
A team up of Georgie Knapp and Ross Coldheart and
do some sort of investigative piece.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I think that would be a dream. Sure, one of
these things like Skywatcher comes forward. I think a lot
of people are going to be clamoring to you know,
get that.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, I mean maybe in the future there'll be a
contact in the desert where where they're both there.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Well, they were both there this year at the same time.
Well they didn't go on stage together, but they both
were at this year's event, which I'd love to hear
a conversation between We like these kind of guys. These
are the you know, these are the kind of people
that we want to represent, this community that we want
to get our stories from. You know, we really want
to lean into these guys that are serious investigative journalists,
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serious people, serious minded people looking at this topic, academia scientists,
those kind of reporters. That's what we're trying to do, right.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
So we've got another question here from Greg and said
the UFO footage that Coulthard had from Greenland is pretty
statement from Greenland is pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know which one that
is and that is, but I do have on here.
Let's say you can pull up this image.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
This is from the Jake Barber interview.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, but that's not Jake Barber's footage is.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
And that was a little misleading at the time, but
it has since been clarified. But when you when you
saw this footage itself, what did you what do you
make of it?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Well, you know, when I first saw it, it was interesting.
It wasn't at all what we expected, of course, because
you you know, I don't think I expected a nineteen
fifties flying saucer. But it's weird. It's like this green
infrared thing or whatever, you know. So yeah, yeah, so
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I was a little disappointed that there was a more clarity.
I mean, yes, that very well, maybe what he says
it is, but not a lot of detail here is there?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
No, No, not enough detail.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
I think it's you know, I think they think that's
it might be a legitimate thing. Why that other guy
Lou showed up with a photo somebody gave him yesterday
on the briefing on May first is beyond me and
I just I feel like we can't have those kind
of mistakes. Now you get a chance to go before Congress,
bring in the best photo you've got that's been vetted
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from here to heaven, right.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, behind the scenes. In lou El's on his book Imminent,
he discusses this faction I guess, for lack of a
better word, that seems to be religiously or demonically inclined
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that they interpret UFOs as such. Do you think that
that is just people who are, whether they are in
position of knowledge or not in a higher ups Are
they just kind of overlaying or interpreting the phenomena through
their own religious paradigm.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I think that's been going on forever, that everybody sees
us through their own paradigm. I feel like Willie Straber
did a good job of this way back in Communion,
where he wrote a he reprinted a passage from I
forget hundreds and hundreds of years ago, and it was
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we went out to the forest and these fairies came
down from the trees, and they had big eyes, and
they had four fingers, and they were spinally and they
looked gray, and they had almond shaped eyes. And then
you turn the page and it's the guy says, this
alien came down from the sky, and it's The passages
are extremely similar, but one was from eight hundred whatever
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number one, hundreds of years ago, but he described it
as fairies from the trees because that's his paradigm. And
then somebody from today's world would think from the spacecraft
that they're angels or demons or well, then there's people
that have the religious connotation. Then some people say it's
a gin, and some people say it's a spirit or
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I think it's very possible that a lot of these
things are the same. They're just putting different definitions on it.
You know, I saw mother Mary or whatever, or I
saw my grandmother, I saw whatever they feel, whatever lens
they're looking through, I think is oftentimes the way they
would describe it, which would make sense because you know,
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we all have that to work with.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Which also makes it more difficult to study. I was
talking to a while back, David Halpern, religious studies professor,
you know, mythologist, and he interpreted the Betty and Barney
Hill case as kind of a a Youngian, you know,
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dream like state where the the trauma and the fears
of Barney being a black man married to a white
woman and being involved in civil rights kind of you know,
manifested itself because he sometimes described the the men or
the beings as having these sort of leather jackets that
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were reminiscent of like, you know, Nazis, you know, the hat.
But then he saw also redheaded irishman, like literally described
as red Irishman. And his argument was that you know,
the like in his experience at the time, this was
nineteen sixty one, that the Irish were, you know, in
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his experience, were racist towards you know, black people.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
And then of course Nazism.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
There's that whole story, and that's all it was. It
was just this archetypal manifestation of a history of the past.
And he also makes other connections to slavery and you know,
because there they put a cup over his genital and
that was supposed to be symbolic of castration and you know,
just like and it's really interesting if you're looking at
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it through mythologists perspective, however, one can easily say exactly
what you and I were talking about is that he
can take all of those fears, which all could be true,
all that information in his subconscious to fill in the
gap and kind of interpret what he experienced. Because let's
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just say they were abducted. It's obvious that whoever abducted
them didn't want them to have a clear memory what
was going on, and so I imagine the subconscious just filled
in the spaces, and that's sense to.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Me, and I feel like it's a little bit of
a reach. And also luckily we had Betty there as well,
who has a similar account, and you know, she you
would think would have a different account.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Then exactly, Yeah, I have a question from Bernadette. She asks, uh,
point blank, what happened in Roswell.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Well, you know, when people ask me what my favorite
case is, I hate to say Roswell because it's such
a cliche and it's so overused, but it is Roswell,
And what I think happened is most likely an extraterrestrial
craft crash there. You know, if you look at the
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work of Don Schmidt and Tom Carey and others who
have done incredible work and have hundreds and hundreds of witnesses,
many many direct witnesses, many want a way, and there's
a lot of anecdotal evidence. There is a perfectly laid
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out narrative that really fits well, and there's so much
data and so much evidence. I really find it to
be as compelling. The reason I like that case so
much is because there's so many witnesses and so many
pieces of data. I think, yeah, I think that's real.
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I really do. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
I think Don's interview like six hundred people something like
that related.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
To the Yeah. Yeah. And then there's even more that
they've talked to that don't even make it into the
official thing or whatever.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
So but was it extraterrestial? Is that way you think it?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
I do think, yes, I do lean that way. Again,
I think there's very very few of these cases, and
I think that's one of them. I think most cases
probably have another explanation, but there are some that are
probably not well. Need one man, we get one, you know.
And we talked about this earlier, about the deathbet confessions
and things, and there are those from Roswell as well,
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and you know, it's just so compelling to me that
and the excuses are so dumb that it's a weather
balloon and whatever, and all that stuff's been debunked and
changed and whatever. So I don't know, we talked about
the difference between talking to these guys in person that
you can kind of get a sense of them or whatever.
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What made this go over the line the fifty one
percent mark for me was Don Schmidt personally telling me
how he's interviewed these guys who are in their eighties
and they're, you know, a colonel or whatever their rank
is in the army. These are serious military guys from
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the fifties. And they fell into Don's lap, crying, balling
their eyes out and saying that Don, I have not
spoke one word about this in over fifty years, and
it's like this purge and and that's what that's what
moved Don to believe. And him recounting that to me
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is what moved me to believe because it's just so
strong that someone would would do that, you know, and
it's a shame that we probably missed on on a
lot of people's testimony. Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
We have another question from Greg, what's Ron's favorite obscure case?
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Well, I like Terry Lovelace. I don't would you call
that an obscure case? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
I think the mainstream, you know, UFO documentary series watching
audience and is very familiar.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
I would I would put it in that category. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
I think that case is very interesting. It's a little
lesser known case, but it's really cool. I like these.
I love these little stories of anecdotal evidence. Like I
think Terry's the one who they took the iPhone into
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the Apple store and it's like in the middle of
the night it was the GPS showed it was three
thousand feet in the air. Yeah, how is that happening?
I think that's incredible. And then you have the story
of him saying that that happened, that's why he took
the phone in, and they have that that explain that.
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You know, it's just like we were talking about the
telepathy tapes earlier. There's a story that I heard that
there's a little nine year old blind boy in the
UK apparently went to the eye doctor with his mother
and he's blind, born blind, never could see. But she
was going to the eye doctor. They're in the waiting
room and she's looking out behind the desk and she
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sees the eye chart, the famous classic, and the little
boy starts reading those letters out E five seven F whatever.
How is that opening? Right? That's pretty compelling to me.
You know, if it's true.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
If well, and that's the thing is we need more,
we need less if it's true and more.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Well, how do you do this? I mean, like talk
about it all the time. What do we track this
kid down and put them in a court of law?
What do you how do you you know what I mean,
it's it's it's it's tough because what do you do
you need a sworn AFFI David from this little boy?
I mean, what do we What's going to be the
level of proof that people will accept it's enough? You know.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I think I think that if you were to get
some individuals, a couple of individuals that you that could
you know, demonstrate like like you saw with your own eyes,
you know, demonstrate telepathy, Yeah, that on camera and repeat
it several times. I think that that that's really enough
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at the very least to get more universities.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Then we want so different research on all of these things. Man,
I'm highly skeptical of a lot of this stuff, but
you know, some of this does seem to have a
line of truth in it, and I think that's where
these things start.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
So yeah, but you do have to keep I think
even today. It's less worse now than let's say, nineteen
fifty five, but I think you have to keep some
anonymity to some of these individuals. Look look how people
do just doxing people online that they don't know just
because they don't like their opinions. And imagine if you
were to prove empirically that so and so individual is
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capable of telepathy, what kind of crazy people out there
would want to get close to them, maybe.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Go right after you. It's amazing because what's the point
of having all these credentials like doctor Dianne Hennessy Pouell
has or doctor Avi Lobe has, is you know, the
head of astronomy at Harvard? Is that not enough? Who
do you want saying this? You know, I get when
we saw that crazy guy in the corner screaming in
downtown la oh I saw a UFO. Okay, fair enough,
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But doctor Rovy Lobe look where this guy got in
his life exactly? Yeah, Well, and he's got it together.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
He knows that he really knows how to navigate this
well without affecting his respectability. I think for the most part,
and his standing in the scientific community agree. But I
was thinking more in terms of the subject, like keeping
the subject safe, right, because some of these people are
you know, kids, and if all of a sudden they
become famous for being telepathic, I think you have a
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lot of unhealthy people that would either try to harm
for sure.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
Now the good news is these these aren't kids that
are on the internet. They're they're not they're not inverbal,
they're not able. They have so many difficulties. Sure, And
that's the thing when you talk to doctor Diane, how
she again, she's just trying to help these kids, you know,
they have many challenges. And then now she's expanding into
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this other area.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
There is something to be said about the obscure cases.
My first move on case that I ever took was
a report that was you know, twenty over twenty years
late and or just just twenty years late. And the
guy was a contractor, you know, so he understood scale
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and size and distance pretty well. And he saw it
in his neighborhood, you know, during his regular routine so
familiar encounters. And what he saw was ann elongated cuboidal
black thing about one hundred and fifty feet wide long,
just floating above you know, the apartment buildings, the residential
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apartment buildings and then silently watched it float away. Those
are the sports that really get me because this guy
just he called because he saw something on TV and
he thought.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, maybe I should report that. That's it.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
He did the reporting, and he moved on with his life.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, that doesn't mean it's quote unquote alien. I mean
it could be our technology is work, yes, sure, but
even that's fascinating, right.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, exactly. Ron, We're at the end and I'd love
shotting with you. If you can leave us with one
thought whatever it would be.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Well, I think you know, just as always, contact, hearing
and seeing the things that were going on just shows
you that there is more out there than three D
Newtonian view of the world. There's definitely more. I have
moved in thirteen years more that way. No idea what
it is, but just between synchronicities and things that happen
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and testimonials, I definitely think there's more. So we should
put more attention and scientific research to this because it's
worth a luck.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
All right, awesome, thanks son, Ron. Uh So, if you
want to find out more about Ron and Contact in
the Desert, you can go to Contact in the Desert
dot com.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Pretty simple. I'll put that in.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
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that's it. So thank you all for hanging Thanks, great question, guys,
(58:36):
I really appreciate that. As a friendly reminder of this
podcast is rebroadcast on the ONEX Network every Thursday night
eleven pm Pacific time, two am Eastern Friday mornings. Ron
I forgot to ask you, are you a coffee drinker?
Speaker 2 (58:51):
I am not. You're not, Okay, I'm not, but I do.
That is caffeine is my drug of choice, but I
just do. Okay, I'm an energy drink guy. Really, are
you like red Bull Monster? Yeah? Like like like, yeah,
that's worse, isn't it. It's way worse. But but that's
just the facts.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah, thanks Captain ro and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Always fun talking to me Alan. All right, and thank
you guys again.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
If you want to follow Coffee in the UFOs, please
follow here on YouTube at YouTube dot com slash Mystic
Lounge or on Instagram at Coffee and UFO's podcast, and
wherever you listen to your podcasts, please give a good
review and ratings. I'd really appreciate that we are growing,
ratings are going up, and it's all because of the
great guests that we have and you guys as well,
(59:39):
So thank you. Until next time, peace and love everyone,
and live in the mystery.
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