February 28, 2025 • 61 mins
Documentarian, Darcy Weir, joins me to discuss the famous 1973 Pascagoula Mississippi UFO encounter and alleged alien abduction incident. In his latest docuseries, Pascagoula ‘73, Weir delves deep into the strange and traumatic riverside incident reported by Calvin Parker and Charlie Hickson - which involved the most uncanny of creatures. Featured heavily in the documentary is ufologist Philip Mantle. As the story unfolds, we learn of the additional (and bizarre) encounter of Maria and Jerry Blair who allegedly may have been abducted by the same entities. Is there enough evidence to make the unbelievable, believable? The fascinating docuseries is available on Amazon Prime.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
However you are, and whenever you are, welcome back to
coffee and UFOs, two of my favorite things. Cheers to
you all. I hope you're caffe neated or enjoying whatever
brew you prefer at this hour. I am very excited
to bring your returning guest back, documentary filmmaker Darcy Weird,
(00:34):
and we're going to be talking about his docuseries Pascal
Gula seventy three. For those of you who are not
familiar with this story, this is one of the most
colorful alien abduction close encounter stories out there to date.
And what's really interesting is that there was a long
(00:58):
gap between the two original witnesses and coming out and
speaking about the event, and when Calvin finally did come
back out again not too many years later, there are
two more witnesses that came out and they had a
close encounter experience as well, perhaps with the same alleged
(01:22):
UFO craft. So this is a really exciting docuseries that
Darcy directed covering the topic and I encourage everyone, everyone,
honest to goodness, to go out and check out his
Pasco Gula seventy three docuseries on Amazon. It's one hundred
(01:42):
percent worth it. Period. I'll give it a ten out
of ten. I'm not kidding because it of all the
documentaries that are out there that cover this subject, we
get so little. Sometimes we get bites hour and fifteen
two hour documentaries. His is a four part series episodes,
(02:03):
and the storytelling and the weaving together and the new
information is extraordinary. So bring on Darcy in just a moment.
As a friendly reminder, thank you all for subscribing following
on whatever platform you listen to your podcast. Thank you
for the reviews and the comments. All that really helps.
So I appreciate anyone else who will jump on board
and keep us moving up. And I want to spank
(02:25):
thank the Unex Network for rebroadcasting coffee and UFOs eleven
pm Pacific time on Thursday nights and two a m.
Eastern time Fridays. All right, so let's let's just jump
into this because I'm really excited. I don't want to
waste any more time. Darcy, welcome back. Hey, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Brew bubble tea and UFOs.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh that's that's serious, bubble t Oh yeah, and that's
a commitment too.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I love it, man, I love chewing what I drink.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, yeah, it's kind of how I like my sweet
I like sweets like cookies and pastries that I can
chew and enjoy rather than candies. But your documentaries like
it was like candy for me, man, I really really
enjoyed it. So let's cut right to the chase. Can
you give us a brief summary of the documentary and
(03:21):
the story you're telling.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, So, nineteen seventy three, October eleventh, two men were
fishing on the Pasca Gula River in Mississippi. Calvin Parker
was a young man, only nineteen, and then you've got
Charlie Hickson, who's forty two. They saw light in the distance,
(03:46):
didn't think too much of it. All of a sudden,
this like blue shining light was quite bright right up
behind them. They turned around. They saw this thing kind
of had like a hatch door open or something, and
three beings emanated from it and basically took them on
(04:08):
board the craft. And this documentary series tells their story,
and it tells another two people's stories that say they
were also abducted that night, Maria and Jerry Blair. But
(04:30):
the way we broke it down is the first episode
is Charlie Hickson because he really was the guy that
told the story first and really broke it to the public.
And then the next episode, episode two, is Calvin Parker's story.
Episode three is Maria Blair and Maria and Jerry Blair
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who were apparently on the other side of the river
that night.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And these are the two that came out of many
years decades later.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, they only came out I think probably within the
past ten years.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, and I know it's crazy. I think it was
like twenty fourteen something like that. Yeah, So they had
this encounter, and can you give us a little bit
more detail. Can you do a great job visually in
the documentary series expressing what they described. Can you tell
us a little bit about what the craft looked like,
(05:27):
what kind of aliens they encountered or alleged aliens alleged?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, so let's say non human. Sure, the first three
beings that they were greeted by, they glided down to
them and picked them up. Apparently. Yeah, they could fly,
so they were like hovering the whole time they had this, like.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And they didn't have an apparent at flying apparatus, right,
they kind of just flow.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was just a built in capability apparently. Yeah, Now
these two guys described the beings as being robotic from
the very get go of going public. They were like,
we don't know what the heck they were, but they
didn't seem like normal living organisms. So they said they
(06:22):
thought they were robots because their hands were not you know,
multi digits, they were just like kind of two claw
type apparatus. Their skin was gray, which you know we've
heard that before, but it was wrinkly like an elephant's apparently, right.
(06:43):
They had no eyes, no mouth, and just like these
spikes protruding from their heads. And yeah, they were only
about five foot tall apparently, and were very strong because
they were carried these two men aboard the craft. And
(07:07):
once they were aboard the craft, their experiences kind of changed,
like they were different. Calvin's experience was going down a
corridor to the left with one being I guess, and
then the other two took Charlie Hickson into a doorway
(07:30):
to the right and he was kind of like suspended
in the air and this I like orb protruded through
the wall and started examining his body. Apparently that was
his experience. Calvin's was you know, very in depth and
(08:00):
he had multiple abductions that he remembered, so we kind.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Of go over Yeah, and he did he remember those
adductions after or was he aware of them before the event?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Well, no, the first abduction happened apparently when he was
a kid, he and his brother would have somebody come
into their room at night. Right, this is you know,
you can read about this in Philip Mantle's books, and
Philip discusses that in the docu series. But I think
(08:38):
the long standing thing that this guy experienced was a lady,
some kind of like female entity that he apparently kind
of recognized her after the fact, because even when he
was a kid, this was the same sort of entity
that might have been in the room. And and then
(09:03):
he had like a waking memory of well, he had
two experiences as a you know, abductee. So there was
the one with Charlie Hickson and then afterwards he was
fishing on his own and he said he got taken again.
(09:25):
So yeah, here's the trailer.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
All right, So most abduction cases tend to have recurrence, correct?
Did they garner any sense of mission? Was there an agenda?
Because he did do hypnosis and you cover this really
well in the docu series and in effect, before you
(09:54):
answer that was it was it your idea or Philip
Mantle's idea to to show that much of the hypnotic aggression.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Philip Mantle's idea was to make the documentary literally just
Calvin Parker lying on the couch being like spoken to
in the hypnosis session. And I thought that was going
to be extremely boring and probably could have just been
(10:29):
a YouTube video. So I spiced it up. You know,
I just kind of gave it. I gave it it.
I gave it color because I like gave it reenactment
animations and you know a lot of cutaway information to
(10:50):
visualize what he's discussing or saying happened to him. But
you know, he's got this collection of hypnosis recordings that
are like tapes videos, the videos he recorded. By the way,
(11:10):
so Maria on what.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We're seeing on screen in the documentaries of the hypnosis,
that that's Philip recording it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, Philip allegedly hired a crew that was in Mississippi
and they he never traveled there. I mean, even if
Joe Rogan invited him on the show, he's not going.
He's too elderly and he doesn't want to do that
(11:40):
type of travel. Right now apparently, but he you know,
remotely through Irena Scott, who's pretty close to this. Doctor
Irena Scott, She's worked with multiple abduction cases and this
is one she's really close to. They sort of like
(12:02):
figured out how to shoot this, hired a local crew,
and then I got the raw footage, color corrected it,
fixed the audio. You know, there was two shots, so
I kind of like and they were in ten ADP.
I upresed them to like four K and then just
(12:26):
started putting in animation and all the other stuff to
sort of like enhance the experience. Right, Yeah, but yeah,
I think we didn't have like a video interview of
Charlie Hickson, so I took like an old audio recording
(12:46):
that we had, And this is something Philip has. He
has like multiple hypnosis sessions, I think one with Bud Hopkins,
but that's on tape, and he had multiple interviews and
all this stuff. So I worked with with audio and
then did all that. Like basically the whole first episode
(13:08):
is animation plus Philip Mantle's testimony.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I understand your hesitation as a as a filmmaker to
think do we just tell we just play essentially, you know,
the hypnosis session uninterrupted, which it was for the most part.
You know, there's some intercuts here and there, but as
I'm watching it, I'm going, Wow, that's brave that they're
(13:37):
doing this, and you really pulled it off. And the
visuals obviously were a huge help. But when you're listening
to these it's not a progression memories and you're seeing
the emotion that's bubbling up. It keeps you engaged. And
thank you for including so much of them, because, like
(14:01):
I said earlier, you know now and forty five been
a documentary, you're just you're not going to get all
that in there, but in a four part series you do.
And honest to goodness, I think what you're doing with
the four part series here and your previous series, I
think is the future for documentary filmmaking for these subjects.
(14:21):
And I really hope it catches on it. I think
you've you've done the right thing.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh, I'm sure somebody will copy it. I've I've had
other people do that. A lot of people, a lot
of other let's say tours in the UFO space, have
watched my films and then basically like kind of recreated
parts of that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Sure, and I think that's a compliment, right, I mean,
just like any kind of art form, Yeah, it's the
first person who does it, everyone like follows suit because
that's you found a better way to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, true enough, But yeah, I wanted to stay true
to phillips request to kind of like just let the
you know, hypnosis session play out. Right. So Calvin's is
a massive hypnosis episode, Maria Blairs is a massive hypnosis episode,
(15:17):
and then the fourth episode is just who's this guy?
Philip Mantle And it's kind of like a biography on
how he became a ufologist. First cases, he covered how
he covered hoaxes, and then he ended up getting into
the abduction phenomenon and interviewed multiple people over on his
(15:39):
side of the pond in the UK and other parts
of Europe, and eventually found his way to Calvin Parker
and Charlie Hickson.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Right, I'm just gonna jump back for a little bit here.
What about this case fascinates you the most?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I never thought that. I thought it was going
to be like, Okay, there's a couple of things that
fascinate me. First, this was one of the abduction, first
abduction cases that I heard about where I just was
kind of perplexed or curious. I thought, Wow, like, did
(16:23):
that really happen? Were these guys just like fishing and
these weird like lobster beings came down and took them
on border craft or something, And I, you know, just
put a feather in it in the back of my mind.
Never thought I'd end up working on the story. So
I think that's kind of like fascinating that, you know,
(16:45):
if you're telling stories in this space for long enough,
I guess eventually you're gonna come across and get really
into the weeds on some of these things that you
originally were really interested, right. Yeah, So that's one thing
that kind of fascinated me that it ended up in
(17:06):
my life. And the other thing is the fact that
just there's so much evidence and and there's so many
sort of corroborating stories that prove something happened, Something had
to have happened that night, and the nights before and
(17:28):
the nights after.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Okay, and we'll talk about some of those those details too.
A real quick question from anonymous message, has a government
rep touched based with the guests concerning the episodes? Have
you had any government Yeah, anyone who worked for the government.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Like, is Luna Paulina calling me up type thing?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I guess that seems like it's a pretty open question. No, no, no, no, no,
one in a black No FBI is knocking on your door.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Not yet.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's all right. Just wait, Darcy, just wait, it's coming,
all right. So let's let's go further into the details
of this. So after they have their encounter, because we
have to move on to the other two. So Calvin
and Charles have their encounter, they drive back to town.
(18:26):
When did they start realizing things were amiss.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well, they realized things were amissed the moment they touched
down on the sandbar of the river. They were not
missing time. That's one of the things that's different about
this abduction case, you know, Betty and Barney Hill or
some of these other abduction cases that David Jacobs or
(18:53):
Bud Hopkins cover. People think something is wrong and then
they kind of like get some memory back, and then
they go and get regressed and all that stuff and
pull out the details of what they were missing. Right,
these guys were fully awake and aware the whole experience,
(19:15):
from the moment they got picked up to the moment
they dropped off, So they were in a state of shock.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
They didn't question to be just hallucinate or the like.
They felt they had a real experience immediately.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think the only way they would question that is
if they took like a massive hit of acid right
before they started fishing, which they didn't, which they claim
they've never done. Right, And you know, we even have
the secret tape recording in there. I cleaned up the
audio as much as I could and subtitled it. And
(19:50):
one of the first questions that the police officer asks
Calvin and Charlie when they're inside this interrogation room is
have you guys been drinking tonight?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Have you done any Do you smoke marijuana? Have you
done any drugs? No? No, no, sir, we haven't done
anything like that. So they were just in a state
of panic when they were picked up. So, I mean,
the how that went down is that they were dropped off.
Calvin was fully in a state of shock because he
was nineteen. He really hadn't had a long life of
(20:24):
experience thus far as a man, so I think he
was having a hard time dealing with the trauma Charlie had.
We talked about this in the dock. He had been
in the Korean War, so he had been in situations
where he thought he was going to die and got
out of it. So Charlie was really kind of collecting them.
(20:49):
He got them to Calvin's car. They drove into town.
They went to the local news agency, like the press office,
and they were knocking apparently on the door because they
wanted to know what time it was because neither of
them had to watch, so they weren't quite sure how
(21:10):
long they were gone. And the ladies there were like
basically the cleaning ladies. They said they couldn't come in
and they were closed and you know, leave them alone
or whatever. Then they go to a payphone and they
called the They call first the Air Force Keysler Air
Force Base. Keysler starts listening. The lady who picks up
(21:32):
the phone is like listening to their testimony. Charlie was
basically unpacking. We just got abducted. There's like, you know,
some kind of alien force here. Apparently his concern early
on that was that there was going to be a
full blown invasion or something like that. So that's why
(21:54):
he figured talk to Keysler Air Force Base because we
got to inform you know, the big guns or something, okay,
and then the lady just you know, bluntly shut him
down and said, look, we're not interested in UFO cases.
And we closed the book on that during Project Blue Book.
(22:17):
Uh So that wasn't too helpful to him. One of
the other one of the other reasons or motives for
calling the Air Force base, apparently through Charlie's own mouth,
is that he was also concerned that they might have
suffered radiation poisoning or you know, been bombarded by radiation.
(22:47):
And why would they think that, Well, I guess when
you're in a state of shock, your body feels off
and he and if you had seen a UFO up
close and you'd like been taken aboard it and it
(23:07):
was shining with this like brilliant bright blue light and
orange and all this stuff, you're probably thinking, is this
stuff radiating? You know? Is there something about this energy
that I'm seeing that's dangerous to my body? So I
think that's why. But he figured I think he also
(23:33):
figured that there was stories of other abductees in the
past that a radiation signature was recorded. So in the
case of Betty and Barney Hill, their car exhibited radiation
(23:53):
and that you know, has been pretty well reported. So
that didn't go well. So then he picked up the
phone again at this payphone and he called the sheriff.
Sheriff Fred Diamond sent somebody around to pick them up.
Then when they were in the station, you know, they
got fully interrogated. The secret tape was recorded, and the
(24:17):
next day it was all over the media.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So before they even got to do any any more
real investigation, the media was already on top of this.
It's interesting that you know when he went to the
news station that the people there just assumed that he
was drinking. They just thought that they were drunk and
what have you. But then they go to the police station,
(24:45):
and you mentioned the famous recording, and the famous recording
is that after they had had conversations with them, they
put them in a room together. The police officers left
Calvin and Charles in a room by themselves, but secretly
hit a tape recorder and they hadn't obviously know that
(25:05):
they're being tape recorded, and they had a conversation like
two sincere people sharing the event and know in different
terms than how they had explained it to the police.
And that audio is featured in the documentary and you
can tell that these are sincere people. They're not play acting.
First of all, they wouldn't have even known to play
act for a secret recording device. So I think that's
(25:27):
one of the best pieces of evidence, and it's really
sort of enthralling to listen to. For the sake of time,
I want to discuss a little bit about the Marie
and I forget her husband's name, Jerry Blair and Jerry Blair,
(25:51):
so many decades later, they come out or Marie comes
out first and says, we were there, we were on
another shore, and we were also or I was also abducted.
So can you tell us about their story?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Okay, so that's not completely accurate according to you know,
the documentary and her testimony. I don't think I'm getting
this wrong, but for many years she felt like something
was wrong, like whenever she heard that story, she felt
(26:32):
a bit off. She felt like something She kind of
had flashes in her mind of a craft hovering around
the other side of the river that night, because she
does remember going to drop Jerry, her husband, off at
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this dock, which is adjacent to the other side where
Calvin and Charlie are at. It was around six o'clock
I guess when they arrived, and they had a bit
of a weight because Jerry was set to go on
a boat ride basically to be on a boat for
(27:21):
a few days who was hired by a captain I
think to do some fishing work or something like that.
So they were young newly weds and she was going
to say bye to her husband and hang out with
them until he was picked up, and essentially she had
(27:42):
missing time, so she didn't really remember what happened that
night until Jerry was not doing well with his health.
He had some health complications and show this like cell
(28:02):
phone recording that Maria recorded while he was in the
hospital because she wasn't sure if he was going to
last that much longer. But while he was, you know,
not doing well in the hospital, he made a confession
that they were abducted that night and that for many
many years, he was kind of keeping this a secret
(28:23):
from her because he didn't want her to live in
a state of panic. He didn't want people to judge them.
You know, there was a stigma if you are an abductee,
and he just wanted to be private about their situation.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Sure, it's understandable, totally understandable.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And that's when she, you know, kind of had her
AHA moment and she reached out to I believe it
was Philip Mantel, and then Philip Mantle connected Calvin Parker
(29:02):
to Maria Blair.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But later her husband did I think, not suddenly remember, right,
but because he did have this memory, but he had
eventually revealed to her. So that gave her some vindication,
(29:29):
you know, that that that she was not imagining something,
that she did have this real experience. It validated it
for her. What is there a thread between their two experiences?
Is there something similar? There a parallel between Calvin and
Charlie and Marie And that's his name again, Jerry, Jerry.
(29:56):
Thank you Marie and Jerry.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
So we don't I don't know a lot about Jerry's experience,
but Maria's testimony is that he had multiple abductions over years,
but he was keeping this all from her and family
and friends for those fears of ridicule or stigma whatever.
(30:25):
And then Maria she had to she really kind of
had a mental block apparently on all of this. And
we you know, the hypnosis video was recorded by the
same crew that apparently Philip and Irena Scott coordinated to
(30:51):
film and this is what led to Maria talking more
about the phenomenon and how it surrounds her. I will say,
there's a local journalist that lives in the Mississippi area
named Chelsea Norton Prince, and she started covering this story
(31:16):
and she on behalf of Philip again remotely abroad, agreed
to go meet up with Maria and interview her. And
that interview footage is it was filmed on iPhone on
her iPhone. Yeah, I know, and it's you know, it's
(31:39):
not it's not the greatest, but it still tells the story, right.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It was helpful, very helpful.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, So we kind of like broke up the hypnosis
session and then filled in a bunch more details about
what Maria really felt about the history of that phenomenon
with her family as well as you know, what happened
to her, apparently through that extra little video that Chelsea provided. Yeah,
(32:10):
you know, and so I kind of like blew it up,
tried to enhance it a bit, some color correction, all
that stuff, get the audio dialed up because you know,
it's recording off this little phone from a distance.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Sure, but it worked, Yeah, it did. And look it's
better than you know, a written text or just audio alone.
So having the visual aid was helpful because you get
to see the actual witness. I guess what I'm curious
about is you have on the same night, apparently these
different abductions occurring. It's not like they're all mingling in
(32:45):
the same place, you know, and they can say, oh, yeah,
I remember we were together. But they had these weird experiences.
There was like these robotic like entities you discussed. There
was this kind of female oi dish entity of some sort.
If this is happening at the same time, if these
two separate couples of people are being abducted, the probability
(33:11):
of them being adducted by different alien species or what
have you seems pretty unlikely, pretty low. So I'm just
imagining that there must have been some purpose behind this,
And since you spent so much time on it, like,
could you garner any sense of a hunch of what
was going on?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
It seemed like some kind of research, you know, it
seemed like some kind of scientific expedition of some sort, right,
and you know, it's not just those people that witness
something happening that night. When we go into the fourth episode,
we really unpack many many witnesses, like multiple police officers
(33:58):
that saw the craft in the sky that night, or
Sheriffred Diamond two nights before seeing a UFO in the sky.
So I think Sheriffred Diamond when he brought them in,
he already knew something was going on in the skies, right.
The coast Guard we have we show the documentation from
(34:22):
the Coastguard report. They chased a blue object that was
emanating out of the river right that you know connects
up to the ocean. But uh, you know this distressed
the coast Guard enough that they chase this thing and
we're like trying to figure out what it was. So
there was a USO encounter, Yeah, different night, but all
(34:48):
happening around the same time in the same area as
this anomalist like UFO USO stuff. Right, There's a priest
and a woman that we're driving in a car and
they saw this object fly over the road over top
of their car that was very similar to what everybody
(35:09):
else was seeing. Larry Booth saw something who was a
citizen that came forward. J Allen Heinick, the former Blue
book man, and James harder. You know, this is another
university professor. They went down to Mississippi that Friday, the
(35:31):
same week that this happened, and they interviewed these men
straight away because they were already doing work building you know,
QFOS Center for UFO Studies and trying to bring as
much data together to see if this phenomenon really was
(35:55):
happening and anomalous and so on and so forth. And
Heinich went public and said, immediately after they did their
interviews with them, they did a physical examination. Excuse me,
they did. They not only them, who were two different doctors,
(36:16):
but they also had another medical doctor examined them who
was local. He said that medical doctor said he believed
what the men went through because of the way that
they carried themselves, spoke about it, and they actually had
physical you know, puncture wombs where they said something seemed
(36:40):
to be injected into them when they first encountered these beings,
and they felt sedated, right, they felt relaxed. So it
just seemed it seems like something happened that night, you
know what I mean. It seemed like there was some
kind of UFO flap around that time going on, not
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only across the United States because we do kind of like,
you know, show a little bit of that. There was
a lot of humanoid encounters. There was like this book
that was published at that time in nineteen seventy I
think it was nineteen seventy five or something that was
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tabulated all the different strange humanoid encounters that people had
had across the United States in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So and these beings were not in that right, are
these were These were novel what they experienced.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, they were. They were very different. And I mean,
I think one of the things that I like about
Michael P. Masters is that he says that, you know,
maybe what we're dealing with with this phenomenon scientifically could
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be proven as a version of us that has come
back on the same timeline. You don't you don't have
to travel to another star or you know, go to
another galaxy or something like that. You just have to
figure out how to use time travel and go back
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on this same planet. Maybe that's easier to do. And
you know, these UFOs are time machines, right, and these
robots are robots, and the humanoid on board was a human,
but like human three point zero two point zero who
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knows right, and has like AI carrying out the menial
task of taking your subjects on board and then you
do the examination with them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So that either there is that gray skin parallel that
you had mentioned earlier, but still the shape of these
robots were like so bizarre, and Michael b masters that
maybe I'm maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but the hypothesis
of his is kind of based on the gray aliens, right, Yeah,
(39:20):
and how they've evolved. If we were like a space
faring culture or just you know, how we would look
you know, one hundreds of thousands of years from now,
whereas the these robot type entities seem like something completely different, right,
those would be like some kind of like you said
in AI, or of the sort. Yeah, why don't we
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Why wouldn't we see those in other alien abduction cases?
Why only in this one? That that's a strange thing.
Maybe they were being test run. They didn't work out
very well, the subjects did not respond well to these AI.
Let's let's try something else. Most I shouldn't say most
many abduction cases, especially from like the eighties and nineties
(40:04):
and seventies, involved some aspect of interest in our DNA
a reproduction. Was there anything in this case that was
indicative of their interest in hybridization or using reproductive faculties
(40:25):
and DNA for any purpose?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, so Calvin recalled blood being removed. I don't think
he he said he thought that the female looking alien
was kind of hot, and he would have shagged her
if he had a couple of beers in him.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's better to be honest.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I guess, yeah, you know, why not?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
And then.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Maria she said that, you know, in her hypnosis, she
felt like they were taking reproduction of material like eggs
and blood. So that is indicative of like what other
abductees have said in the past.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Right, so these two events happened at the same time.
His blood's taken. She feels that maybe something from her,
you know, she doesn't know what they took, right, She's
only guessing.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
She's she states that she that they're taking her eggs.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
That's what she says, all right, so that maybe there
is something there actually, maybe that that's your correlation. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
You're gonna do a two point zero.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I don't know, I don't think. So what is your.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Project going to be anyway, what should we look forward to.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Due to another dark alliance?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Excellent? Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And what else? Trying to do a Canadian thing, but
I gotta I gotta find some work at this point,
so we'll see, we'll see how that goes. But yeah,
doing doing working on some stories. I'll maybe leave some
people in suspense.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Okay, good, well, we'll leave it there. So okay, now
years later we have this hypnotic regression. The woman who
performed this, can you tell me about her qualification and
you know why she was chosen to be the hypnotist
and for these for Maria and for Calvin.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah. So, Chanelle is the African American woman that was
featured in both those hypnosis sessions. If you speak to Philip,
he quite funnily will recall that he planned it, so
she knew nothing about these people before she did the
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hypnosis sessions. She kind of helped, He provided I think
some questions for her to ask to sort of like
guide the interview once the hypnosis was underway. But you
kind of see she did Calvin first and then she
(43:30):
did Maria second. And if you watch in the session
she did with Calvin, she's kind of like what like
she has this look on her face as they get
deeper and deeper into the session because she didn't know
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what territories she was going into. And I think Philip
kind of he wanted it that way to make it
more authentic, and also, you know, just he thought it
would be kind of funny. I and you know, I'm
editing this too. And there's a point where he says
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he gets into like a physical altercation with the female being,
and his line is like, I was fed up. I
won't want to kill this bitch.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And I was thinking of maybe making it funny for
a second and just showing the look on Chanelle's face
for about five to ten seconds, just hold it, yeah,
and holding it because she was like like she really was,
you know, taken back by that line.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You don't want to take away too much from the story,
so I get that, Yeah, but it was it was
more than entertaining enough, you know, just just because you're
just flabbergasted, like this is. And and it's the way Calvin
expresses himself, you know, he has his own own his
own like particular colloquialisms you know that are like unique
(45:10):
to him, and the way he expresses himself and I
I really appreciate that. And that's the great thing about
the hip accessions is you get that raw. And of
course he does talk about it in interviews as well.
Uh it was there anything revealed during those hypnotic sessions
that was surprising or new?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well? Yeah, like the I had no idea there was
a female being.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
On board the crowd. I didn't either.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, and you know the fact that Charlie thought she
was hot, you know then that switched in a later
abduction to him wanting to assault her. All that stuff
was like, I was just like, what the heck is
going on here? This is a new territory for me.
(45:57):
But it was you know, uh, all knew everything other
than knowing about there being some involvement at one point
with j Allen Heinik and the basic story that these
two men said they were taking a boarder craft. I
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had no idea that, you know, there were at least
a dozen other witnesses that the Coast Guard, the Navy,
multiple policemen got involved and witnessed these UFOs. I had
no idea that there was other abductees. I had no
(46:40):
idea that there was a woman on board the craft,
let's say, a woman ish being. And I didn't know
a lot about Philip Mantle either. I had no idea
that you know, he he probably started out right around
(47:03):
the same time that I started out looking at the
UFO phenomenon and all these people talking about what's going
on around the world back in my early twenties really,
and he was I believe early twenties as well, like
maybe twenty twenty one when he was like starting to
go to these conferences in the UK and setting up
(47:27):
UFO hot lines for reports and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, they had their own like a move. It wasn't
called Moufon, it was something else, but it's called Bufon.
Well now now it's Buffon. But didn't he have like
a more local group at one point?
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, but he had his Bufon card. We showed
that in the documentary.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah. Yeah. Phillip is a great narrator too. He's not
he's not purposely narrating because you're just recording him and
asking him questions.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
But yeah, the way you.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Intercut, he's a great narrator. He's very expressive, he's verboth
in the best way possible.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Uh, He's Yeah, he's eloquent, and uh, you know, just
an average joe. At the same time, you know, he
has he has his own colloquialisms, you know that he
throws into the stories and stuff. Like I remember when
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I was going over the photos and old videos in
the archive, we showed like photos of the exact area
of the river where they got picked up and stuff,
and he was calling it a rubbish tip, you know,
like this, uh, this area of the river that well,
(48:52):
that's quite the rubbish tip. Or he called it a
ship tip, and I'm like what, like, oh, he's just
basically calling the dock where they were like a garbage dump,
you know, because.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
It was like which it was stuff off there.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
It wasn't a glamorous place to go hang out and
you know, have a beer and fish. It was like
a dump site that they were hanging out at that night.
And it's all cleaned up now and they actually have
like a placard it was installed to commemorate the abduction
and stuff like that, Like the city has put that
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in there.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
That's the thing. Eventually, cities come to embrace cities towns
come to embrace these events.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Westall sixty six in Australia, where else I.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Mean well, I mean, just look at Roswell as well. Yeah,
the in the Berkshires now they're embracing it as well.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep, you're right. They got that big
craft object in the middle of the four there the statue.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yep. So how did you get in touch with Philip?
How did you guys?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Oh? I was thinking when you said Berkshires, I was
actually thinking of the UK. What's the bent Waters Rendalsham?
In Rendelsham they have a monument there too.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Sorry, no, that's right. Yeah. When when did you guys
hook up? And how did that happen?
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Well, I guess I'm getting a bit of a reputation
as a independent filmmaker that's just scrappy and gets things done.
So Philip reached out to me via email. He said, hey, like,
I've written a bunch of books about this, you should
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maybe think about doing a documentary on the case. And
he wanted to just call the documentary Pasca Gula nineteen
seventy three hypnosis Tape, because obviously he had those hypnosis
videos and he had an extensive archive. But again, I
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was concerned about not covering the whole story.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
And.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
So he reached out to me, and then he said,
you know, I'm not traveling there, but if you felt
like coming over to the UK, I said, okay, So
I jumped on a flight, flew over there, took a
train up to the northern part of England there from
London and then he's in like the Yorkshire area, and
(51:45):
his wife picked me up at the train station and
I had all my gear and arrived at his home
and set up everything and the interview commenced, and then
I had that window to talk to him about the
whole case, and then packed my stuff up, got back
(52:05):
on the train, headed back down to London to meet
up with my wife.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Okay, and even fly back same No, no.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
No, we stuck around for a little bit because it's like,
you know, flying across from North America to there's quite
a distance. So yeah, and then I edited the series
over a year and a bit, like I shot the
interview with him in November of twenty twenty three and
(52:37):
the film came out in January.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah, you talked about the Calvine episode as well, right,
what you discussed that with Philip the calvinel? Yeah? Calvin?
Am I saying it wrong?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Am I having a brain fart?
Speaker 1 (52:58):
What am I thinking here? Maybe I'm wrong?
Speaker 3 (53:00):
What am I?
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (53:02):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (53:03):
The Yeah, the Calvine UFO? Am I saying it? Calvin
Calvin Calvine? Well, yeah, you know the diamond shaped craft
in Scotland.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
No, that's James Fox, that's the program.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
No. But did you not talk to him about about
that filip class while you were there? Nope? Oh okay,
I just thought that would be something that will be
of interest.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
We talked about other cases because he had plastered all
around his room like every type of UFO memorabilia you
could think of. It was pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, he has like toys, he's got photos.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
He's got like full alien busts and yeah, it's really
stuff like that. Yeah, he's got rocks from Roswell from
his tour of duty there. But I guess I asked
him about the alien autopsy because he wrote the books
about the alien autopsy footage.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
He was the guy.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, he was the guy, right, Yeah, and he was
like it was all a hoax, So you know, it's
got He's got a long history with the subject and
he's been involved with stories that are straight up bullshit,
you know, but that footage, that hoax footage apparently sold
(54:35):
for like over a million dollars. So there you go, right.
That just shows you the when people say there's no
way that that alien video or that UOFO video could
have been hoaxed. Yeah, it could be because there's money
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in it.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah. Absolutely. And did you also talk to him about
the Randall Schampars Did you get into any depth with him?
Speaker 2 (55:06):
No, we didn't talk about that. I do know about
Randall Schump Forrest. I've spoken to Jonathan Burrows about that.
That's an incredible case.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, I could see I could see you covering that
case as well.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
It's been covered so many times and you know, uh,
call me bitter. But this docu series came out I
think like two months before another Pasca Goula documentary came
out on like Amazon and all this stuff. Blay's TV
(55:43):
in the UK is releasing their Pasca Goula documentary about
Calvin Parker. Yeah, in like a week. I was like,
thanks Phil for working with me and like ten other
filmmakers at the same time.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
But you know, hopefully that'll boost like the SEO of
Pascagoula in general, and maybe doubt it will find it
about it, But yeah, Yeah. I do really hope that
you're people find your docuseries and take the time to
watch all the episodes because it's absolutely worth it.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Oh no, I mean that seriously. So for everyone listening,
please go to Where's the Best Place Occult Journeys dot
com to find out more about about you, Darcy.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, my social media is there, and you can check
out the films, trailers, posters, and if you click on
the poster, I'll take you right through, usually to a
site that you can either watch it for free or
next to nothing.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Okay, great, if you can leave us with one thought,
what would it be?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
The aliens are here?
Speaker 1 (56:58):
You're serious?
Speaker 2 (57:00):
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
You're pretty sure. Yeah, and you spend a lot of
time on the subject. Probability wise, do you think just
aliens are here and that's the most likely, or do
you think that there is something, like you said, maybe
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time traveling or other like?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
I think, you know, there is a opportunity in science
and in reality if we're basing things on science and
facts for a plethora of explanations for the phenomenon. So
(57:46):
I'm open to the fact that some of the UFOs
might be reverse engineered craft that are ours.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Some of the.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
UFOs are theirs. Who are they? They could be non
humans that have existed here in the oceans or something
like that longer than we have. They could be extraterrestrials,
as you know they've been called for the past, uh,
(58:15):
you know, seven decades. They could be part of this
extra tempestree model that Michael Masters proposes that they are
us evolved or changed genetically and cybernetically from the future
and we've come back in our own scientific means. I'm
(58:40):
open to all of it. We just got to get
somebody off one of these craft and get them to
make you know, make it known to the world in
a big way, right, Yeah, get get them on the
news and get them to introduce themselves. Who know.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, keep your cameras rolling because you just never know. Yeah, Darcy,
thanks so much, man, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, it's always good chatting with Yellen.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
All right, And thank you everybody for joining us tonight.
Thanks every ready for jumping into chat. And well we'll
see where where Darcy goes filmmaking wise. But I hope
that he continues to put out the kind of docu
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series is that he's putting out and like we said earlier,
maybe there's going to be some copycats, but it's just
the way to go. You know, these cases are so complex,
and some of them are decades in the making, with
information coming out over the years. So to try to
squeeze any one of these cases in an hour and
a half, it's really tough to do. In a conversation
like this. We can't even fit in a fraction of it.
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live in the mystery. It's good to be in personally.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I wish more of us would think of ourselves that way.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
And I don't have a problem with skeptics.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
It's de bunkers that are on some other level that
I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Especially an inference of a change in local gravity. Saucer
shaped craft and they're hovering over the water.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Bluebook Special Report fourteen.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
The better the quality of the sighting, the more likely
to be unexplainable.
However you are, and whenever you are, welcome back to
coffee and UFOs, two of my favorite things. Cheers to
you all. I hope you're caffe neated or enjoying whatever
brew you prefer at this hour. I am very excited
to bring your returning guest back, documentary filmmaker Darcy Weird,
(00:34):
and we're going to be talking about his docuseries Pascal
Gula seventy three. For those of you who are not
familiar with this story, this is one of the most
colorful alien abduction close encounter stories out there to date.
And what's really interesting is that there was a long
(00:58):
gap between the two original witnesses and coming out and
speaking about the event, and when Calvin finally did come
back out again not too many years later, there are
two more witnesses that came out and they had a
close encounter experience as well, perhaps with the same alleged
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UFO craft. So this is a really exciting docuseries that
Darcy directed covering the topic and I encourage everyone, everyone,
honest to goodness, to go out and check out his
Pasco Gula seventy three docuseries on Amazon. It's one hundred
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percent worth it. Period. I'll give it a ten out
of ten. I'm not kidding because it of all the
documentaries that are out there that cover this subject, we
get so little. Sometimes we get bites hour and fifteen
two hour documentaries. His is a four part series episodes,
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and the storytelling and the weaving together and the new
information is extraordinary. So bring on Darcy in just a moment.
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thank the Unex Network for rebroadcasting coffee and UFOs eleven
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Eastern time Fridays. All right, so let's let's just jump
into this because I'm really excited. I don't want to
waste any more time. Darcy, welcome back. Hey, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Brew bubble tea and UFOs.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh that's that's serious, bubble t Oh yeah, and that's
a commitment too.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I love it, man, I love chewing what I drink.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, yeah, it's kind of how I like my sweet
I like sweets like cookies and pastries that I can
chew and enjoy rather than candies. But your documentaries like
it was like candy for me, man, I really really
enjoyed it. So let's cut right to the chase. Can
you give us a brief summary of the documentary and
(03:21):
the story you're telling.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, So, nineteen seventy three, October eleventh, two men were
fishing on the Pasca Gula River in Mississippi. Calvin Parker
was a young man, only nineteen, and then you've got
Charlie Hickson, who's forty two. They saw light in the distance,
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didn't think too much of it. All of a sudden,
this like blue shining light was quite bright right up
behind them. They turned around. They saw this thing kind
of had like a hatch door open or something, and
three beings emanated from it and basically took them on
(04:08):
board the craft. And this documentary series tells their story,
and it tells another two people's stories that say they
were also abducted that night, Maria and Jerry Blair. But
(04:30):
the way we broke it down is the first episode
is Charlie Hickson because he really was the guy that
told the story first and really broke it to the public.
And then the next episode, episode two, is Calvin Parker's story.
Episode three is Maria Blair and Maria and Jerry Blair
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who were apparently on the other side of the river
that night.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And these are the two that came out of many
years decades later.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, they only came out I think probably within the
past ten years.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, and I know it's crazy. I think it was
like twenty fourteen something like that. Yeah, So they had
this encounter, and can you give us a little bit
more detail. Can you do a great job visually in
the documentary series expressing what they described. Can you tell
us a little bit about what the craft looked like,
(05:27):
what kind of aliens they encountered or alleged aliens alleged?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, so let's say non human. Sure, the first three
beings that they were greeted by, they glided down to
them and picked them up. Apparently. Yeah, they could fly,
so they were like hovering the whole time they had this, like.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And they didn't have an apparent at flying apparatus, right,
they kind of just flow.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was just a built in capability apparently. Yeah, Now
these two guys described the beings as being robotic from
the very get go of going public. They were like,
we don't know what the heck they were, but they
didn't seem like normal living organisms. So they said they
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thought they were robots because their hands were not you know,
multi digits, they were just like kind of two claw
type apparatus. Their skin was gray, which you know we've
heard that before, but it was wrinkly like an elephant's apparently, right.
(06:43):
They had no eyes, no mouth, and just like these
spikes protruding from their heads. And yeah, they were only
about five foot tall apparently, and were very strong because
they were carried these two men aboard the craft. And
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once they were aboard the craft, their experiences kind of changed,
like they were different. Calvin's experience was going down a
corridor to the left with one being I guess, and
then the other two took Charlie Hickson into a doorway
(07:30):
to the right and he was kind of like suspended
in the air and this I like orb protruded through
the wall and started examining his body. Apparently that was
his experience. Calvin's was you know, very in depth and
(08:00):
he had multiple abductions that he remembered, so we kind.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Of go over Yeah, and he did he remember those
adductions after or was he aware of them before the event?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Well, no, the first abduction happened apparently when he was
a kid, he and his brother would have somebody come
into their room at night. Right, this is you know,
you can read about this in Philip Mantle's books, and
Philip discusses that in the docu series. But I think
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the long standing thing that this guy experienced was a lady,
some kind of like female entity that he apparently kind
of recognized her after the fact, because even when he
was a kid, this was the same sort of entity
that might have been in the room. And and then
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he had like a waking memory of well, he had
two experiences as a you know, abductee. So there was
the one with Charlie Hickson and then afterwards he was
fishing on his own and he said he got taken again.
(09:25):
So yeah, here's the trailer.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
All right, So most abduction cases tend to have recurrence, correct?
Did they garner any sense of mission? Was there an agenda?
Because he did do hypnosis and you cover this really
well in the docu series and in effect, before you
(09:54):
answer that was it was it your idea or Philip
Mantle's idea to to show that much of the hypnotic aggression.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Philip Mantle's idea was to make the documentary literally just
Calvin Parker lying on the couch being like spoken to
in the hypnosis session. And I thought that was going
to be extremely boring and probably could have just been
(10:29):
a YouTube video. So I spiced it up. You know,
I just kind of gave it. I gave it it.
I gave it color because I like gave it reenactment
animations and you know a lot of cutaway information to
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visualize what he's discussing or saying happened to him. But
you know, he's got this collection of hypnosis recordings that
are like tapes videos, the videos he recorded. By the way,
(11:10):
so Maria on what.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We're seeing on screen in the documentaries of the hypnosis,
that that's Philip recording it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, Philip allegedly hired a crew that was in Mississippi
and they he never traveled there. I mean, even if
Joe Rogan invited him on the show, he's not going.
He's too elderly and he doesn't want to do that
(11:40):
type of travel. Right now apparently, but he you know,
remotely through Irena Scott, who's pretty close to this. Doctor
Irena Scott, She's worked with multiple abduction cases and this
is one she's really close to. They sort of like
(12:02):
figured out how to shoot this, hired a local crew,
and then I got the raw footage, color corrected it,
fixed the audio. You know, there was two shots, so
I kind of like and they were in ten ADP.
I upresed them to like four K and then just
(12:26):
started putting in animation and all the other stuff to
sort of like enhance the experience. Right, Yeah, but yeah,
I think we didn't have like a video interview of
Charlie Hickson, so I took like an old audio recording
(12:46):
that we had, And this is something Philip has. He
has like multiple hypnosis sessions, I think one with Bud Hopkins,
but that's on tape, and he had multiple interviews and
all this stuff. So I worked with with audio and
then did all that. Like basically the whole first episode
(13:08):
is animation plus Philip Mantle's testimony.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I understand your hesitation as a as a filmmaker to
think do we just tell we just play essentially, you know,
the hypnosis session uninterrupted, which it was for the most part.
You know, there's some intercuts here and there, but as
I'm watching it, I'm going, Wow, that's brave that they're
(13:37):
doing this, and you really pulled it off. And the
visuals obviously were a huge help. But when you're listening
to these it's not a progression memories and you're seeing
the emotion that's bubbling up. It keeps you engaged. And
thank you for including so much of them, because, like
(14:01):
I said earlier, you know now and forty five been
a documentary, you're just you're not going to get all
that in there, but in a four part series you do.
And honest to goodness, I think what you're doing with
the four part series here and your previous series, I
think is the future for documentary filmmaking for these subjects.
(14:21):
And I really hope it catches on it. I think
you've you've done the right thing.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Oh, I'm sure somebody will copy it. I've I've had
other people do that. A lot of people, a lot
of other let's say tours in the UFO space, have
watched my films and then basically like kind of recreated
parts of that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Sure, and I think that's a compliment, right, I mean,
just like any kind of art form, Yeah, it's the
first person who does it, everyone like follows suit because
that's you found a better way to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, true enough, But yeah, I wanted to stay true
to phillips request to kind of like just let the
you know, hypnosis session play out. Right. So Calvin's is
a massive hypnosis episode, Maria Blairs is a massive hypnosis episode,
(15:17):
and then the fourth episode is just who's this guy?
Philip Mantle And it's kind of like a biography on
how he became a ufologist. First cases, he covered how
he covered hoaxes, and then he ended up getting into
the abduction phenomenon and interviewed multiple people over on his
(15:39):
side of the pond in the UK and other parts
of Europe, and eventually found his way to Calvin Parker
and Charlie Hickson.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Right, I'm just gonna jump back for a little bit here.
What about this case fascinates you the most?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I never thought that. I thought it was going
to be like, Okay, there's a couple of things that
fascinate me. First, this was one of the abduction, first
abduction cases that I heard about where I just was
kind of perplexed or curious. I thought, Wow, like, did
(16:23):
that really happen? Were these guys just like fishing and
these weird like lobster beings came down and took them
on border craft or something, And I, you know, just
put a feather in it in the back of my mind.
Never thought I'd end up working on the story. So
I think that's kind of like fascinating that, you know,
(16:45):
if you're telling stories in this space for long enough,
I guess eventually you're gonna come across and get really
into the weeds on some of these things that you
originally were really interested, right. Yeah, So that's one thing
that kind of fascinated me that it ended up in
(17:06):
my life. And the other thing is the fact that
just there's so much evidence and and there's so many
sort of corroborating stories that prove something happened, Something had
to have happened that night, and the nights before and
(17:28):
the nights after.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Okay, and we'll talk about some of those those details too.
A real quick question from anonymous message, has a government
rep touched based with the guests concerning the episodes? Have
you had any government Yeah, anyone who worked for the government.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Like, is Luna Paulina calling me up type thing?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I guess that seems like it's a pretty open question. No, no, no, no, no,
one in a black No FBI is knocking on your door.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Not yet.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's all right. Just wait, Darcy, just wait, it's coming,
all right. So let's let's go further into the details
of this. So after they have their encounter, because we
have to move on to the other two. So Calvin
and Charles have their encounter, they drive back to town.
(18:26):
When did they start realizing things were amiss.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well, they realized things were amissed the moment they touched
down on the sandbar of the river. They were not
missing time. That's one of the things that's different about
this abduction case, you know, Betty and Barney Hill or
some of these other abduction cases that David Jacobs or
(18:53):
Bud Hopkins cover. People think something is wrong and then
they kind of like get some memory back, and then
they go and get regressed and all that stuff and
pull out the details of what they were missing. Right,
these guys were fully awake and aware the whole experience,
(19:15):
from the moment they got picked up to the moment
they dropped off, So they were in a state of shock.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
They didn't question to be just hallucinate or the like.
They felt they had a real experience immediately.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think the only way they would question that is
if they took like a massive hit of acid right
before they started fishing, which they didn't, which they claim
they've never done. Right, And you know, we even have
the secret tape recording in there. I cleaned up the
audio as much as I could and subtitled it. And
(19:50):
one of the first questions that the police officer asks
Calvin and Charlie when they're inside this interrogation room is
have you guys been drinking tonight?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Have you done any Do you smoke marijuana? Have you
done any drugs? No? No, no, sir, we haven't done
anything like that. So they were just in a state
of panic when they were picked up. So, I mean,
the how that went down is that they were dropped off.
Calvin was fully in a state of shock because he
was nineteen. He really hadn't had a long life of
(20:24):
experience thus far as a man, so I think he
was having a hard time dealing with the trauma Charlie had.
We talked about this in the dock. He had been
in the Korean War, so he had been in situations
where he thought he was going to die and got
out of it. So Charlie was really kind of collecting them.
(20:49):
He got them to Calvin's car. They drove into town.
They went to the local news agency, like the press office,
and they were knocking apparently on the door because they
wanted to know what time it was because neither of
them had to watch, so they weren't quite sure how
(21:10):
long they were gone. And the ladies there were like
basically the cleaning ladies. They said they couldn't come in
and they were closed and you know, leave them alone
or whatever. Then they go to a payphone and they
called the They call first the Air Force Keysler Air
Force Base. Keysler starts listening. The lady who picks up
(21:32):
the phone is like listening to their testimony. Charlie was
basically unpacking. We just got abducted. There's like, you know,
some kind of alien force here. Apparently his concern early
on that was that there was going to be a
full blown invasion or something like that. So that's why
(21:54):
he figured talk to Keysler Air Force Base because we
got to inform you know, the big guns or something, okay,
and then the lady just you know, bluntly shut him
down and said, look, we're not interested in UFO cases.
And we closed the book on that during Project Blue Book.
(22:17):
Uh So that wasn't too helpful to him. One of
the other one of the other reasons or motives for
calling the Air Force base, apparently through Charlie's own mouth,
is that he was also concerned that they might have
suffered radiation poisoning or you know, been bombarded by radiation.
(22:47):
And why would they think that, Well, I guess when
you're in a state of shock, your body feels off
and he and if you had seen a UFO up
close and you'd like been taken aboard it and it
(23:07):
was shining with this like brilliant bright blue light and
orange and all this stuff, you're probably thinking, is this
stuff radiating? You know? Is there something about this energy
that I'm seeing that's dangerous to my body? So I
think that's why. But he figured I think he also
(23:33):
figured that there was stories of other abductees in the
past that a radiation signature was recorded. So in the
case of Betty and Barney Hill, their car exhibited radiation
(23:53):
and that you know, has been pretty well reported. So
that didn't go well. So then he picked up the
phone again at this payphone and he called the sheriff.
Sheriff Fred Diamond sent somebody around to pick them up.
Then when they were in the station, you know, they
got fully interrogated. The secret tape was recorded, and the
(24:17):
next day it was all over the media.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So before they even got to do any any more
real investigation, the media was already on top of this.
It's interesting that you know when he went to the
news station that the people there just assumed that he
was drinking. They just thought that they were drunk and
what have you. But then they go to the police station,
(24:45):
and you mentioned the famous recording, and the famous recording
is that after they had had conversations with them, they
put them in a room together. The police officers left
Calvin and Charles in a room by themselves, but secretly
hit a tape recorder and they hadn't obviously know that
(25:05):
they're being tape recorded, and they had a conversation like
two sincere people sharing the event and know in different
terms than how they had explained it to the police.
And that audio is featured in the documentary and you
can tell that these are sincere people. They're not play acting.
First of all, they wouldn't have even known to play
act for a secret recording device. So I think that's
(25:27):
one of the best pieces of evidence, and it's really
sort of enthralling to listen to. For the sake of time,
I want to discuss a little bit about the Marie
and I forget her husband's name, Jerry Blair and Jerry Blair,
(25:51):
so many decades later, they come out or Marie comes
out first and says, we were there, we were on
another shore, and we were also or I was also abducted.
So can you tell us about their story?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Okay, so that's not completely accurate according to you know,
the documentary and her testimony. I don't think I'm getting
this wrong, but for many years she felt like something
was wrong, like whenever she heard that story, she felt
(26:32):
a bit off. She felt like something She kind of
had flashes in her mind of a craft hovering around
the other side of the river that night, because she
does remember going to drop Jerry, her husband, off at
(26:56):
this dock, which is adjacent to the other side where
Calvin and Charlie are at. It was around six o'clock
I guess when they arrived, and they had a bit
of a weight because Jerry was set to go on
a boat ride basically to be on a boat for
(27:21):
a few days who was hired by a captain I
think to do some fishing work or something like that.
So they were young newly weds and she was going
to say bye to her husband and hang out with
them until he was picked up, and essentially she had
(27:42):
missing time, so she didn't really remember what happened that
night until Jerry was not doing well with his health.
He had some health complications and show this like cell
(28:02):
phone recording that Maria recorded while he was in the
hospital because she wasn't sure if he was going to
last that much longer. But while he was, you know,
not doing well in the hospital, he made a confession
that they were abducted that night and that for many
many years, he was kind of keeping this a secret
(28:23):
from her because he didn't want her to live in
a state of panic. He didn't want people to judge them.
You know, there was a stigma if you are an abductee,
and he just wanted to be private about their situation.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Sure, it's understandable, totally understandable.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And that's when she, you know, kind of had her
AHA moment and she reached out to I believe it
was Philip Mantel, and then Philip Mantle connected Calvin Parker
(29:02):
to Maria Blair.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But later her husband did I think, not suddenly remember, right,
but because he did have this memory, but he had
eventually revealed to her. So that gave her some vindication,
(29:29):
you know, that that that she was not imagining something,
that she did have this real experience. It validated it
for her. What is there a thread between their two experiences?
Is there something similar? There a parallel between Calvin and
Charlie and Marie And that's his name again, Jerry, Jerry.
(29:56):
Thank you Marie and Jerry.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
So we don't I don't know a lot about Jerry's experience,
but Maria's testimony is that he had multiple abductions over years,
but he was keeping this all from her and family
and friends for those fears of ridicule or stigma whatever.
(30:25):
And then Maria she had to she really kind of
had a mental block apparently on all of this. And
we you know, the hypnosis video was recorded by the
same crew that apparently Philip and Irena Scott coordinated to
(30:51):
film and this is what led to Maria talking more
about the phenomenon and how it surrounds her. I will say,
there's a local journalist that lives in the Mississippi area
named Chelsea Norton Prince, and she started covering this story
(31:16):
and she on behalf of Philip again remotely abroad, agreed
to go meet up with Maria and interview her. And
that interview footage is it was filmed on iPhone on
her iPhone. Yeah, I know, and it's you know, it's
(31:39):
not it's not the greatest, but it still tells the story, right.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It was helpful, very helpful.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, So we kind of like broke up the hypnosis
session and then filled in a bunch more details about
what Maria really felt about the history of that phenomenon
with her family as well as you know, what happened
to her, apparently through that extra little video that Chelsea provided. Yeah,
(32:10):
you know, and so I kind of like blew it up,
tried to enhance it a bit, some color correction, all
that stuff, get the audio dialed up because you know,
it's recording off this little phone from a distance.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Sure, but it worked, Yeah, it did. And look it's
better than you know, a written text or just audio alone.
So having the visual aid was helpful because you get
to see the actual witness. I guess what I'm curious
about is you have on the same night, apparently these
different abductions occurring. It's not like they're all mingling in
(32:45):
the same place, you know, and they can say, oh, yeah,
I remember we were together. But they had these weird experiences.
There was like these robotic like entities you discussed. There
was this kind of female oi dish entity of some sort.
If this is happening at the same time, if these
two separate couples of people are being abducted, the probability
(33:11):
of them being adducted by different alien species or what
have you seems pretty unlikely, pretty low. So I'm just
imagining that there must have been some purpose behind this,
And since you spent so much time on it, like,
could you garner any sense of a hunch of what
was going on?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
It seemed like some kind of research, you know, it
seemed like some kind of scientific expedition of some sort, right,
and you know, it's not just those people that witness
something happening that night. When we go into the fourth episode,
we really unpack many many witnesses, like multiple police officers
(33:58):
that saw the craft in the sky that night, or
Sheriffred Diamond two nights before seeing a UFO in the sky.
So I think Sheriffred Diamond when he brought them in,
he already knew something was going on in the skies, right.
The coast Guard we have we show the documentation from
(34:22):
the Coastguard report. They chased a blue object that was
emanating out of the river right that you know connects
up to the ocean. But uh, you know this distressed
the coast Guard enough that they chase this thing and
we're like trying to figure out what it was. So
there was a USO encounter, Yeah, different night, but all
(34:48):
happening around the same time in the same area as
this anomalist like UFO USO stuff. Right, There's a priest
and a woman that we're driving in a car and
they saw this object fly over the road over top
of their car that was very similar to what everybody
(35:09):
else was seeing. Larry Booth saw something who was a
citizen that came forward. J Allen Heinick, the former Blue
book man, and James harder. You know, this is another
university professor. They went down to Mississippi that Friday, the
(35:31):
same week that this happened, and they interviewed these men
straight away because they were already doing work building you know,
QFOS Center for UFO Studies and trying to bring as
much data together to see if this phenomenon really was
(35:55):
happening and anomalous and so on and so forth. And
Heinich went public and said, immediately after they did their
interviews with them, they did a physical examination. Excuse me,
they did. They not only them, who were two different doctors,
(36:16):
but they also had another medical doctor examined them who
was local. He said that medical doctor said he believed
what the men went through because of the way that
they carried themselves, spoke about it, and they actually had
physical you know, puncture wombs where they said something seemed
(36:40):
to be injected into them when they first encountered these beings,
and they felt sedated, right, they felt relaxed. So it
just seemed it seems like something happened that night, you
know what I mean. It seemed like there was some
kind of UFO flap around that time going on, not
(37:03):
only across the United States because we do kind of like,
you know, show a little bit of that. There was
a lot of humanoid encounters. There was like this book
that was published at that time in nineteen seventy I
think it was nineteen seventy five or something that was
(37:24):
tabulated all the different strange humanoid encounters that people had
had across the United States in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So and these beings were not in that right, are
these were These were novel what they experienced.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, they were. They were very different. And I mean,
I think one of the things that I like about
Michael P. Masters is that he says that, you know,
maybe what we're dealing with with this phenomenon scientifically could
(38:05):
be proven as a version of us that has come
back on the same timeline. You don't you don't have
to travel to another star or you know, go to
another galaxy or something like that. You just have to
figure out how to use time travel and go back
(38:26):
on this same planet. Maybe that's easier to do. And
you know, these UFOs are time machines, right, and these
robots are robots, and the humanoid on board was a human,
but like human three point zero two point zero who
(38:46):
knows right, and has like AI carrying out the menial
task of taking your subjects on board and then you
do the examination with them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So that either there is that gray skin parallel that
you had mentioned earlier, but still the shape of these
robots were like so bizarre, and Michael b masters that
maybe I'm maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but the hypothesis
of his is kind of based on the gray aliens, right, Yeah,
(39:20):
and how they've evolved. If we were like a space
faring culture or just you know, how we would look
you know, one hundreds of thousands of years from now,
whereas the these robot type entities seem like something completely different, right,
those would be like some kind of like you said
in AI, or of the sort. Yeah, why don't we
(39:40):
Why wouldn't we see those in other alien abduction cases?
Why only in this one? That that's a strange thing.
Maybe they were being test run. They didn't work out
very well, the subjects did not respond well to these AI.
Let's let's try something else. Most I shouldn't say most
many abduction cases, especially from like the eighties and nineties
(40:04):
and seventies, involved some aspect of interest in our DNA
a reproduction. Was there anything in this case that was
indicative of their interest in hybridization or using reproductive faculties
(40:25):
and DNA for any purpose?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, so Calvin recalled blood being removed. I don't think
he he said he thought that the female looking alien
was kind of hot, and he would have shagged her
if he had a couple of beers in him.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's better to be honest.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I guess, yeah, you know, why not?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
And then.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Maria she said that, you know, in her hypnosis, she
felt like they were taking reproduction of material like eggs
and blood. So that is indicative of like what other
abductees have said in the past.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Right, so these two events happened at the same time.
His blood's taken. She feels that maybe something from her,
you know, she doesn't know what they took, right, She's
only guessing.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
She's she states that she that they're taking her eggs.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
That's what she says, all right, so that maybe there
is something there actually, maybe that that's your correlation. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
You're gonna do a two point zero.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I don't know, I don't think. So what is your.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Project going to be anyway, what should we look forward to.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Due to another dark alliance?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Excellent? Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And what else? Trying to do a Canadian thing, but
I gotta I gotta find some work at this point,
so we'll see, we'll see how that goes. But yeah,
doing doing working on some stories. I'll maybe leave some
people in suspense.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Okay, good, well, we'll leave it there. So okay, now
years later we have this hypnotic regression. The woman who
performed this, can you tell me about her qualification and
you know why she was chosen to be the hypnotist
and for these for Maria and for Calvin.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah. So, Chanelle is the African American woman that was
featured in both those hypnosis sessions. If you speak to Philip,
he quite funnily will recall that he planned it, so
she knew nothing about these people before she did the
(43:07):
hypnosis sessions. She kind of helped, He provided I think
some questions for her to ask to sort of like
guide the interview once the hypnosis was underway. But you
kind of see she did Calvin first and then she
(43:30):
did Maria second. And if you watch in the session
she did with Calvin, she's kind of like what like
she has this look on her face as they get
deeper and deeper into the session because she didn't know
(43:52):
what territories she was going into. And I think Philip
kind of he wanted it that way to make it
more authentic, and also, you know, just he thought it
would be kind of funny. I and you know, I'm
editing this too. And there's a point where he says
(44:12):
he gets into like a physical altercation with the female being,
and his line is like, I was fed up. I
won't want to kill this bitch.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And I was thinking of maybe making it funny for
a second and just showing the look on Chanelle's face
for about five to ten seconds, just hold it, yeah,
and holding it because she was like like she really was,
you know, taken back by that line.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
You don't want to take away too much from the story,
so I get that, Yeah, but it was it was
more than entertaining enough, you know, just just because you're
just flabbergasted, like this is. And and it's the way Calvin
expresses himself, you know, he has his own own his
own like particular colloquialisms you know that are like unique
(45:10):
to him, and the way he expresses himself and I
I really appreciate that. And that's the great thing about
the hip accessions is you get that raw. And of
course he does talk about it in interviews as well.
Uh it was there anything revealed during those hypnotic sessions
that was surprising or new?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well? Yeah, like the I had no idea there was
a female being.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
On board the crowd. I didn't either.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, and you know the fact that Charlie thought she
was hot, you know then that switched in a later
abduction to him wanting to assault her. All that stuff
was like, I was just like, what the heck is
going on here? This is a new territory for me.
(45:57):
But it was you know, uh, all knew everything other
than knowing about there being some involvement at one point
with j Allen Heinik and the basic story that these
two men said they were taking a boarder craft. I
(46:19):
had no idea that, you know, there were at least
a dozen other witnesses that the Coast Guard, the Navy,
multiple policemen got involved and witnessed these UFOs. I had
no idea that there was other abductees. I had no
(46:40):
idea that there was a woman on board the craft,
let's say, a woman ish being. And I didn't know
a lot about Philip Mantle either. I had no idea
that you know, he he probably started out right around
(47:03):
the same time that I started out looking at the
UFO phenomenon and all these people talking about what's going
on around the world back in my early twenties really,
and he was I believe early twenties as well, like
maybe twenty twenty one when he was like starting to
go to these conferences in the UK and setting up
(47:27):
UFO hot lines for reports and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, they had their own like a move. It wasn't
called Moufon, it was something else, but it's called Bufon.
Well now now it's Buffon. But didn't he have like
a more local group at one point?
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, but he had his Bufon card. We showed
that in the documentary.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah. Yeah. Phillip is a great narrator too. He's not
he's not purposely narrating because you're just recording him and
asking him questions.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
But yeah, the way you.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Intercut, he's a great narrator. He's very expressive, he's verboth
in the best way possible.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Uh, He's Yeah, he's eloquent, and uh, you know, just
an average joe. At the same time, you know, he
has he has his own colloquialisms, you know that he
throws into the stories and stuff. Like I remember when
(48:29):
I was going over the photos and old videos in
the archive, we showed like photos of the exact area
of the river where they got picked up and stuff,
and he was calling it a rubbish tip, you know,
like this, uh, this area of the river that well,
(48:52):
that's quite the rubbish tip. Or he called it a
ship tip, and I'm like what, like, oh, he's just
basically calling the dock where they were like a garbage dump,
you know, because.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
It was like which it was stuff off there.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
It wasn't a glamorous place to go hang out and
you know, have a beer and fish. It was like
a dump site that they were hanging out at that night.
And it's all cleaned up now and they actually have
like a placard it was installed to commemorate the abduction
and stuff like that, Like the city has put that
(49:35):
in there.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
That's the thing. Eventually, cities come to embrace cities towns
come to embrace these events.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Westall sixty six in Australia, where else I.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Mean well, I mean, just look at Roswell as well. Yeah,
the in the Berkshires now they're embracing it as well.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep, you're right. They got that big
craft object in the middle of the four there the statue.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yep. So how did you get in touch with Philip?
How did you guys?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Oh? I was thinking when you said Berkshires, I was
actually thinking of the UK. What's the bent Waters Rendalsham?
In Rendelsham they have a monument there too.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Sorry, no, that's right. Yeah. When when did you guys
hook up? And how did that happen?
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Well, I guess I'm getting a bit of a reputation
as a independent filmmaker that's just scrappy and gets things done.
So Philip reached out to me via email. He said, hey, like,
I've written a bunch of books about this, you should
(50:49):
maybe think about doing a documentary on the case. And
he wanted to just call the documentary Pasca Gula nineteen
seventy three hypnosis Tape, because obviously he had those hypnosis
videos and he had an extensive archive. But again, I
(51:12):
was concerned about not covering the whole story.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
And.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
So he reached out to me, and then he said,
you know, I'm not traveling there, but if you felt
like coming over to the UK, I said, okay, So
I jumped on a flight, flew over there, took a
train up to the northern part of England there from
London and then he's in like the Yorkshire area, and
(51:45):
his wife picked me up at the train station and
I had all my gear and arrived at his home
and set up everything and the interview commenced, and then
I had that window to talk to him about the
whole case, and then packed my stuff up, got back
(52:05):
on the train, headed back down to London to meet
up with my wife.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Okay, and even fly back same No, no.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
No, we stuck around for a little bit because it's like,
you know, flying across from North America to there's quite
a distance. So yeah, and then I edited the series
over a year and a bit, like I shot the
interview with him in November of twenty twenty three and
(52:37):
the film came out in January.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah, you talked about the Calvine episode as well, right,
what you discussed that with Philip the calvinel? Yeah? Calvin?
Am I saying it wrong?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Am I having a brain fart?
Speaker 1 (52:58):
What am I thinking here? Maybe I'm wrong?
Speaker 3 (53:00):
What am I?
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (53:02):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (53:03):
The Yeah, the Calvine UFO? Am I saying it? Calvin
Calvin Calvine? Well, yeah, you know the diamond shaped craft
in Scotland.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
No, that's James Fox, that's the program.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
No. But did you not talk to him about about
that filip class while you were there? Nope? Oh okay,
I just thought that would be something that will be
of interest.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
We talked about other cases because he had plastered all
around his room like every type of UFO memorabilia you
could think of. It was pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, he has like toys, he's got photos.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
He's got like full alien busts and yeah, it's really
stuff like that. Yeah, he's got rocks from Roswell from
his tour of duty there. But I guess I asked
him about the alien autopsy because he wrote the books
about the alien autopsy footage.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
He was the guy.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, he was the guy, right, Yeah, and he was
like it was all a hoax, So you know, it's
got He's got a long history with the subject and
he's been involved with stories that are straight up bullshit,
you know, but that footage, that hoax footage apparently sold
(54:35):
for like over a million dollars. So there you go, right.
That just shows you the when people say there's no
way that that alien video or that UOFO video could
have been hoaxed. Yeah, it could be because there's money
(54:58):
in it.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah. Absolutely. And did you also talk to him about
the Randall Schampars Did you get into any depth with him?
Speaker 2 (55:06):
No, we didn't talk about that. I do know about
Randall Schump Forrest. I've spoken to Jonathan Burrows about that.
That's an incredible case.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, I could see I could see you covering that
case as well.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
It's been covered so many times and you know, uh,
call me bitter. But this docu series came out I
think like two months before another Pasca Goula documentary came
out on like Amazon and all this stuff. Blay's TV
(55:43):
in the UK is releasing their Pasca Goula documentary about
Calvin Parker. Yeah, in like a week. I was like,
thanks Phil for working with me and like ten other
filmmakers at the same time.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
But you know, hopefully that'll boost like the SEO of
Pascagoula in general, and maybe doubt it will find it
about it, But yeah, Yeah. I do really hope that
you're people find your docuseries and take the time to
watch all the episodes because it's absolutely worth it.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Oh no, I mean that seriously. So for everyone listening,
please go to Where's the Best Place Occult Journeys dot
com to find out more about about you, Darcy.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, my social media is there, and you can check
out the films, trailers, posters, and if you click on
the poster, I'll take you right through, usually to a
site that you can either watch it for free or
next to nothing.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Okay, great, if you can leave us with one thought,
what would it be?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
The aliens are here?
Speaker 1 (56:58):
You're serious?
Speaker 2 (57:00):
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
You're pretty sure. Yeah, and you spend a lot of
time on the subject. Probability wise, do you think just
aliens are here and that's the most likely, or do
you think that there is something, like you said, maybe
(57:21):
time traveling or other like?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
I think, you know, there is a opportunity in science
and in reality if we're basing things on science and
facts for a plethora of explanations for the phenomenon. So
(57:46):
I'm open to the fact that some of the UFOs
might be reverse engineered craft that are ours.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Some of the.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
UFOs are theirs. Who are they? They could be non
humans that have existed here in the oceans or something
like that longer than we have. They could be extraterrestrials,
as you know they've been called for the past, uh,
(58:15):
you know, seven decades. They could be part of this
extra tempestree model that Michael Masters proposes that they are
us evolved or changed genetically and cybernetically from the future
and we've come back in our own scientific means. I'm
(58:40):
open to all of it. We just got to get
somebody off one of these craft and get them to
make you know, make it known to the world in
a big way, right, Yeah, get get them on the
news and get them to introduce themselves. Who know.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, keep your cameras rolling because you just never know. Yeah, Darcy,
thanks so much, man, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, it's always good chatting with Yellen.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
All right, And thank you everybody for joining us tonight.
Thanks every ready for jumping into chat. And well we'll
see where where Darcy goes filmmaking wise. But I hope
that he continues to put out the kind of docu
(59:29):
series is that he's putting out and like we said earlier,
maybe there's going to be some copycats, but it's just
the way to go. You know, these cases are so complex,
and some of them are decades in the making, with
information coming out over the years. So to try to
squeeze any one of these cases in an hour and
a half, it's really tough to do. In a conversation
like this. We can't even fit in a fraction of it.
(59:51):
So thank you all. I want to also thank the
Unex Network for rebroadcasting every Thursday night even and Pacific
time two am Eastern time on Fridays. And if you
like this podcast, please rate, subscribe, comment, share, and if
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you are a fan of the YouTube channel, if you
can hit the notification bill that'd be awesome. All that
adds the organic growth and we'll just keep moving up,
all right, Peace and love everyone, and until next time,
live in the mystery. It's good to be in personally.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I wish more of us would think of ourselves that way.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
And I don't have a problem with skeptics.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
It's de bunkers that are on some other level that
I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Especially an inference of a change in local gravity. Saucer
shaped craft and they're hovering over the water.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Bluebook Special Report fourteen.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
The better the quality of the sighting, the more likely
to be unexplainable.
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