Jesse Peak is a MUFON State Section Director based out of Philadelphia Pennsylvania. Currently Jesse is also part of the MUFON ERT(Experiencer Resource Team) trained to work with abductees & experiencers to help them process & learn about their own experiences. As a veteran investigator Jesse also works for MUFONS CAG(Case Assistance Group) to assist with cases from around the United States & beyond. Jesse is the Director of Project BATTECH 404 investigating & researching electrical malfunctions associated with UFO sightings & encounters & is a Community manager with Project Nanu.
Jesse served in the Army National guard as a 13 Bravo Artillery Cannon Crew Member, where he did his training at Fort Sill Oklahoma, home of the Artillery & completed the rank of Eagle Scout in the Boy scouts of America in his youth. His dedication to the UFO/UAP phenomena can be seen through his constant investigations & research which can also be read through his writing with the UnX Network Magazine as a regular contributor.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
However you are, and whenever you are, welcome back to
coffee and UFO's two of my favorite things. I have
a return guest on tonight, Jesse Peake. He is a
Moffon State director based out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He is
a real deal investigator. He's also part of the Experience
or Resource Resource Team out of Moufon, which is a
(00:35):
team designated to in taking you know, quote unquote abductee reports,
experience or contactee reports with close encounters. And I actually
am just joining the r T team myself, so I'm
still in the beginning stages of processing that. But I'm
(00:56):
really really curious to talk to Jesse about this, especially
because I'm new to the ERT team. I think that
so much of the news coverage today really really covers
the UAP news and you know, what's going on with
released military videos and all that is is fantastic, but
(01:18):
I always like to bring it back to you know,
what are people on the daily experiencing out there regarding
the UFO enigma, and in particular these odd high strangeness
contact e experiences reports that we've been getting for decades,
many of which and I can attest to this and
(01:39):
so can any other Muffon investigator. There's so many people
out there who have high strangeness encounters regarding UFOs that
aren't out there in the news. You know. There aren't
YouTube channels, you know, covering their stories, doing editorials. It's
(02:01):
not on the History channel. These are just people who
are out there. They had an experience, they wanted to
share it, and they have zero intent intention of being
publicly known or to share it publicly. People who have
experiences that they believe one hundred percent was real. And
to be in this field, you have to have an
(02:23):
open mind, and you have to have empathy, compassion, kindness,
and the willingness to listen and hope that you can
learn something from those experiences. Because many of those experiencers,
it turns out they're saying they're just regular people. It
could be a recurring event, or it could be something
(02:44):
that happened once many decades ago or last week and
that's it and then they move on with their life.
So I want to bring on our special guests. Jesse Peeke,
how wi are you, brother?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Welcome back, hey Ellen, thank you, prouving me man.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Glad to be back, absolutely absolutely so. Obviously, you know
having just you know, been accepted into the ER team. Myself,
I'm really curious about what art does and if you
can share what you do in that regard you with
with the listeners.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Absolutely, I think it's important to start off by saying,
as an R Team member, we're not there to tell
you if your experience really happened, or whether you know
you did go through something or you didn't go through something.
We're there simply as a support option where they're as
a shoulder for you to lean on, for you to
(03:40):
tell your stories to someone because most people, you know,
they have no one to talk to, so most of
the time we're the first person they're explaining their entire
experience to, which can be frightening in itself. So yeah,
we basically we just talked on the phone. We get
to know you really well, get to hear your side
of the story, and we're there any support fashion that
(04:00):
you need, whether you may need information on the subject
because you might not be educated on it. You may
need support groups, which a lot of people do, myself
included when I after I have my experiences because I
am an experience for myself. And then we also do
things like hypnosis and we have medical professionals that can
help you and go even farther with it your help.
(04:22):
So we really do a bunch of different things for individuals,
but most of the most important is to be there
for them, you know what I mean, because they don't
have anybody, even they're a family. I mean, I even
experienced it when I went through my experience where I
told a couple of different family members of that what
happened to me, and one family member of mine actually,
you know, kind of shot me down and told me,
(04:44):
you know, stopped looking into that crazy stuff, you know,
and it kind of hurt, you know. So you don't
tell your family members about this kind of stuff because
you're afraid of that, and it happens a lot. So
it's great that we can be there for people and
we're able to take reports like this and do this
for individu. We do go through a separate training process
and a regular field of investigator, which is great too.
(05:06):
We go through mental health training, which is something I
actually helped put into the the training process. It's called
the be their Certificate, very very important. I think that's
also a big part of the experience phenomenon. But yeah,
I mean that's that's basically the short gift of it,
you know, just a support option to be there. It's
a shoulder to lean on for people and to help
(05:28):
them if they want to further their their their knowledge
on the subject and get for their help to learn
about their own experience.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, I appreciate that there is a lot to learn.
I just want to share this comment really quick with
you from Kurt W seventy five and YouTube. He says,
how to allegrate to see you buddy, hope you're doing well.
Hey Jesse, thanks for your time and knowledge tonight also
from and currently in PA. So good to see you also.
So it's nice to see another Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
How you doing ka.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
In Pennsylvania? Is there? Do you see any trends regarding
the UFO phenomena?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So with the e r T, I don't they send
us cases from all over so we don't specifically get
them just from Pennsylvania. When you're with the RT, it's
a little more wherever they need you, they kind of
send you a type deal. So, I mean, I haven't
really talked to specifically just people here in Pennsylvania about
the experience phenomenon, but a lot of trends that I
have seen that I have come across different marks on
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the body. A lot of times people come away with
different markings. People think they have implants, you know a
lot of times what I see and I've actually dealt
with it myself, the triangular marks three dots a lot
of and I see this a lot. I mean, it's
it's really weird. It kind of you know, get you
thinking whether it's on their arms or legs wherever it is.
(06:53):
After they haven't experience, they have these three dots in
a triangular shape and it's like, what what is that?
You know, and we still haven't able to figure it out.
But I mean, it's just mind blowing to see the
kind of things people can walk away with it they're
having an experience, and then even some people have the implants,
like we know Willie Streeber was somebody that had major
implants in his ear. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I think what a lot of people misunderstand about the
intake of the experience of reports. You know, they see movies,
they see documentaries and they think it's like some kind
of program where you're offering therapy and hypnotherapy and all
(07:39):
these things and that that's really not initially what it's about.
It's about just hearing the person out in taking their
case so that they feel like they have someone that's
non judgmental that listens to their story. But the resource
isn't the title right, So you can refer them if
need be, you can there's an outsourced referral that you
(08:00):
can say, Hey, you can reach out to these people
if you'd like, Yeah, what have you and you've have
you had success with that where they've reached out to
someone for for help.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So I put people in contact with both hypnotherapists and
remote viewers, because not hypnotherapy is not for everybody. Some
people don't agree with how it works and then what
you have to go through to kind of get those
memories back. So remote viewing is something that is another option,
and I've actually sent more people to do that, myself
(08:34):
included I actually I had Margie k actually do my
remote viewing, the owner and producer of the NX Network
and move on director of Missouri. She actually did my
remote viewing for me and helped you with my experience
and it actually gave me a lot of information that
I didn't have prior. Some people get scared when they
do hypnosis because they can mess with your memories and
(08:55):
sometimes you can be unsure if something's real or not
so then and it can that's your memories of it
and put them in different places. So yeah, I've done
those and I've had I've had some people say it's
helped tremendously, and I've had some people say, you know,
it really didn't more. Some people are better just learning
more information about the subject, and that's how they learn
(09:15):
more about their own experiences. Some people learn through the
remote viewing process or the hypnosis. Every person is different,
That's definitely a big part of this. There's no one
person that has the same thing coming to you for help,
so you know everything is it zone. It's like you're
treating it for the first time, so very important.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
How much do you think these experiences are truly like
a physical contact experience with an extraterrestrial.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
That's a that's an important question, big question there. I
don't know. I mean, most people think that they have
some kind of contact with the et that I come
that I talk to through the eer T. But I've
also come across a lot of individuals that we've come
to find out that where they thought they've had contact
(10:04):
with the with an et or being, it's actually a
screen memory in place. I don't know how to figure
out how to explain this to you. Like so for example,
you know, they think that they've seen something or had
an experience, happened or did something, but really it was
just a memory put there to make them forget about
something else that happened during their experience. That's what a
screen memory kind of is. H It's placed there to
(10:27):
make you think something else happened when something really happened
that was opposite of it. So I've dealt with that,
and it's it's it's interesting how they how they can
change memories like that and make you have screen memories
in place or real memories.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, but how do you know if it's a screen
memory versus the how do you discern between that and
the real memory.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's a good question. So for example, I can guess
this is the easy, easy one. I've talked to another
move on the men about this, and they and they
came to find out that they had a screen memory
in place of a real memory. They said that they
were driving down the street, they had lots of time,
and they remember driving down the street and they came
to a fork in the road and a tree was
(11:14):
in the middle of the road and they had their
contact experience, when really what happened was is that he
was abducted from the vehicle and he was taken up
to the graft. He had some things on to him
his place back in his vehicle, and that's when he
returned home with the missing time. But he remembered there
being a tree in the middle of the road and
(11:34):
coming into contact with some kind of other being. But
as he did regression and hypnosis, he kind of found
out that's not really what happened. It was a memory
that was implanted there to make him think something else happened.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's almost like a explain that the regression you can
kind of get past that block. It's like there's a
memory behind it that I think another sign Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I was gonna say. Another sign could be like, let's
say you're driving down the road, people will see something
(12:09):
like deer or animals kind of just standing there right
almost unnaturally looking at that. Yeah, and that's a clue
that that there's a screen memory of some sort.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's right, And then made me. Remember there is an
option when we're doing our list or the ert and
actually people can see different They mostly see als, is
like the big thing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
One of the animals is interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But we actually have a selection that we can select
during where we're filling out the paperwork of different animals
they see and that's a screen memory, you know what
I mean. It's not really an oly sitting there looking
at you that you came in contact with. It's actually
a being and you had contact experience. You know, It's
it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Right, Okay, I have to ask you about this. So
I have a particular interest in electrical malfunctioning and UFO encounters,
interference you know, with technic with technology. So this is
something that you've you know, spent time on. Yeah, what
(13:16):
is what is happening? Why why do we see this
sort of interference with electronics and mechanics with UFO encounters
and what have you discovered?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So we've come across a I mean a couple of
different theories as to why it could be happening. One
is to you know, kind of the stopping of sharing
the information of an experience happening at that moment in time.
We've seen where like, for example, cell phone malfunctions. When
you see a UFO, when they come within a certain
(13:48):
range of the individual, their cell phone malfunctions, All electronics
around them, you know, stop working, and once the UFO
begins to leave and reaches a certain distance, everything comes
back like normal, like nothing ever happened in that case.
In a lot of the cases we see that you know,
this is this is happening because they don't want you
(14:08):
to call for help. They don't want you to share
the information. They don't want you to take videos and
send on a live stream, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Things like that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's this theories that we've come to think about, you
know what I mean, why else would they stop you
from using a cell phone during an encounter, you know,
maybe to get photos. But even though there's been people
that have taken photos of UFOs and then when they
go to look at the photo later on, it's completely
blurry and it doesn't even come out to be anything,
or the objects too far away, or you know, a
(14:37):
bunch of different things can happen. So in that instance,
I would say that they don't want you sharing that information.
They don't want you remembering what happened. They don't want
you to, you know, they're kind of trying to hide
what they're doing in a sense. That's that's the main
reason we come across that, and then the research that
we've done through Project that tech.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, this is one of those things as you hear
from skeptics and de bunkers, why don't people whip out
their cell phone and take a picture when they're having
a close encounter an abduction experience. Yeah, and there's that
side of it, there's a technological malfunction. I'm one of
one of my move on reports that I dealt with.
(15:20):
That's exactly what they described. They tried to take out
their phone and as they did, the phone just shut
down right just they couldn't they couldn't take a picture
with it, and then after the UFO had passed by,
it was like working fine again.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So that's exactly what happened to me. And that's the
reason I kind of started the project is because I
had my my first major experience with my dad where
we had been this four gold objects in the sky
daylight slighting in the middle of the city of Philadelphia.
Pretty crazy stuff. We've watched them change formation and then
disappear one at a time, but I had just gotten
(15:56):
my phone. I had it for about a month, and
I took my phone out and I'm trying to take
photos a video of it, and my phone started like
the screen went black and my buttons started going crazy,
and then like you see it on the skinwalking ranch
and say with people, because that's where you see it at.
And then I started taking video, but it wouldn't record,
and I'm like, what is going on here? And then
(16:18):
they started they changed formation from a single file to
a two and two formation. Once they did that, it
went from the two and two to a single file,
and then they started disappearing one at a time, and
then once the last two were left, my phone came
on and I was able to take a photo which
I have still photos up to the last two objects,
but the other video I took is all black but
(16:39):
only has audio recording from the video I was trying
to take when they were changing formation, when I was
trying to get all four objects in the sky. So
I had that happen to me, and I didn't know
that it was a major phenomenon where these electrical malfunctions happened.
And then I started getting cases or move on and
on the side. And that's when I started Project Battech
and I was like, wow, this is something to it,
(16:59):
this is why this happened, you know. And then that's
when we started doing the research into this, because that's
obviously what happened there in that situation. Is what I
feel now, you know what I mean, But I didn't
know it at the time.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, yeah, it seems like there's this an intentional interference
with technology, But do you think that there's just sort
of like incidental.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That's the other thing too, is that we believe that
their technology is so great and we don't fully understand
it yet, is that their natural technology can malfunction regular
objects that we have here on Earth because they're just
so far advanced that I mean a lot of times
we see that it's radiation that can affect electronics and
things like that, and naturally that they probably have radiation
(17:47):
on their craft, you know what I mean, their propulsion systems,
whatever it is that they're using, and they're naturally flying
by and it's hitting our electrical whatever we're using it,
so whatever electronics were using. And the cool part is
is as we started doing more cases for Project Backtech,
we started to realize that the data was giving us
a range that the UFOs had to come within to
(18:09):
affect the technical electronics. So we would see they would
come within a certain amount of feet within the person
or the experiencer, and then once they reached that limit
and move from that area, the electronics come back on.
So that's how we figured out it had to be
some kind of technology that they're using that's naturally doing
this as well, but there are intentions where they do
(18:31):
it purposely. I think.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think the most simplified way of explaining it is
when you take a cell phone, especially the older cell phones,
and you bring it close to a speaker yep, and
you kind of get this like electrical feedback. It's ringing sounds.
It's two technologies living side by side, but when they
get just close enough they don't interact. Well yeah, and
(18:57):
so if you're talking about technologlogy from off world that
is however many years in advance with ours, there's bound
to be some sort of uh interference or incompatibility. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Absolutely. And we see what house strong radiation is, and
there's different types of radiation which we did research all
during the project. So I mean it could be any
any factors of this, you know what I mean, just affecting. Yeah, naturally,
it's pretty crazy. We did a bunch of research papers.
There's a website for it, so if anybody did want
to check it out, you can go to Project battech
dot WordPress dot com and read everything. We made everything
(19:35):
public as possible, so you know, everybody can kind of
learn from it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's a logic one that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Tech project bat tech four oh four dot WordPress dot.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Com or dot press dot com. Here okay, yeah, if
you can put it in chat, that would be that
would be great.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yep sign and okay cool?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So can you discern anything from.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Sorry it's making me?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Can you can you discern anything from that research? Two?
Help explain what the technology is to kind of reveal
what they might be using as a technology quote unquote day.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So yeah, I definitely think it's ionizing ionizing radiator radiation
and non ionizing radiation, which is a big factor.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And how is that that that's that's just the Is
that just the effect or.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
That's natural effects of ionizing?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
What and what would the purpose be for ionizing? Would
it be like for anti gravity? What would the what
it's the function? H do you think, you know, if
you're taking a guess.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
They're playing it all to you real quickly. One second. Sure,
I just want to get the right that. I don't
want to get it mixed up, and I have it
right here, so we have Yeah, it's making me sign
into the chat for some reason and I cannot get
into chat.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh okay, don't worry. I mean you can. You can
always email or text it and then I can share
it as well.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Okay, let me explain this, Okay, so let me see
here we have the and we kind of explain it
like if people don't fully understand it. We did a
paper it's called a cosmic rays in em and we
and if we know typically you know, we can have
different cosmic rays that come in from the universe and
(21:50):
that naturally affects our technology and different electronics that we have.
And you kind of think of the UFO as being
a moving cosmic ray as it moves through Earth, you know,
and mean it moves by individuals, but electronics. We did
a paper all on that and but you know the
different particles of cosmic raise and how it can affect it.
(22:10):
But we did the radio microwave or let me see
the radiation frequencies and microwave frequencies. Okay, thank god, it's
a lot of detailed information. That's why I want to
look at it and read it.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Read it all to you that way.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So you got let's see, so you have radiated types
of electrical malfunctions. So you have radiated which happens when
high powered transmitters or electrical devices produces a radio frequency
that's picked up and causes on oneted effects in another device.
So that's unnatural radiated electromagnet electromagnetic interference radiated. So if
(22:58):
a UFO is having some kind of radiation or or
it's using a propulsion system that has that in it,
it's naturally going to knock out your electronics as it's
flied by.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And then you have conducted electromagnetic interference, which happens when
there's a physical electrical path from a source to a receptor,
so it's also connecting to electronics as it's moving along,
depending on what kind of radiation and what kind of
electronics they have on boarders or UFO. And then you
have coupled electromagnetic interference, which happens when the source and
(23:31):
the receptor are close together. But not electrically connected. I mean,
there's all kinds of stuff we have on here that
can really give you a good idea.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
What do you what do you mean by the receptor?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So for example, the UFO, whatever technology they have on
the UFO is the recept Oh I'm sorry. So for
example your cell phone that could be a receptor. It
could be so for example, the UFO could have something
in their technology that connects to yourself and uses it
as a receptor, you know what I mean, and causes
(24:05):
that malfunctioned purposely, like talked about earlier, gotcha, kind of
like sourcing it out and doing it purpose I see.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, when you have you have you found any research,
any contact these or experiencers that I have noticed the
use of any of any technology act actively what during
their experience? Kind of like an inside scoop of like
maybe what's going on from the inside?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, oh, what's going on? How it's happening? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I mean, are they seeing any activity, any functions being
used and the technology being used?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Jesse, can you hear me.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Us anybody like that? Yet? You're talking about professionals as
to what it might be doing.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, yeah, just like if you're if you're a witness, right,
if you're an experiencer and you're maybe on board a
craft or what have you, you know, is there anything that
they're seeing on the inside and going, oh that could
be maybe that maybe that's it's what absolutely is absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Right, Yeah, I mean, I mean I've heard it an
experience your stories where where they're you know, they're on
a craft and they see you know, they always describe
the room that they're in and you know, seeing the table,
and we see the different utensils that they have on
the craft and they're going to be they use these
different things to look at their body and put the
implants in and things like that. So just by their
(25:44):
description of how advanced the technology is that they're using,
just to do like this, this overall exam of them,
I mean, you can only imagine what they must have
in the craft in general, especially to fly in and
out of our atmosphere, you know what I mean, to
be able to transfer from space to Earth like that,
still be able to serve here on Earth. It's just
it's it's mind modeling, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You know, I think it's it's fascinating. Most reports from
what I can tell when you're talking about a light
source an inside of the craft that they can't pinpoint
a particular light source. And there have been reports if
someone may maybe lying at a table on a light
facing down or something like that, but in most cases
(26:28):
the craft itself, it's almost like the light is emanating
from all around, but you know, they can't pinpoint a source,
almost like it's like it's coming from the walls or
the structure itself. Okay, okay, have you have you heard
(26:48):
the same on your end?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, I mean I've had people when they're reporting of sighting,
you know what I mean. We've heard before where many
people will have different experiences even though there's a lot
of you would think they're seeing the same thing, but
they're seeing different lights, they're seeing different movements, things like that.
I've come across that a lot of my cases that
I've had, and that that blows my mind, you know
what I mean, to think that something's happening and you
(27:17):
have thirty people that are seeing this object of the
sky and every one of them seeing them something different
and describing something different. Sure, and then when you think
about you know, I love the database. How we have
a move on, you know, what I mean and how
And we always look for cases that are similar. But
it's like if these people are all seeing different things
but it's the same event, you know what I mean,
It's like, man, how can we collect that data and
(27:38):
we can all connect it? You know what I mean?
That's what I think about times, Yeah, because you know,
we literally similar cases and we kind of put them together,
you know, But it's like, what if they're seeing different things,
they're repporting different things, you know what I mean? How
can we connect all that data? And do you imagine
how much of it's actually out there?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh, there's so much more out there for sure. And
I know that move On is eventually going to be
incorporated like AI and analysis systems to make better use
of all that their data that's in there, because you
want to look for patterns, you want to look for
repeat behaviors and so to that could really accelerate our
(28:17):
understanding of the encounters themselves. Yeah. I think of Denise
Stunner's abduction case, which I'm sure you're familiar with, and
in her case, you have multiple witnesses, not only just
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more than one people that were in the car and
there was missing time, but on their destination. They were
to meet up with people, and they were hours late.
And this pedometer on the car, for instance, it didn't
it didn't clock any additional mileage that they seem to have. Yeah,
(29:01):
it's really really interesting. I don't know how. I don't
understand how a skeptic can just sort of toss a
case like that aside and not really take it seriously,
because you have multiple factors, you know, that corroborate the
case and support the support that something strange did happen.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I think what they try to do is they try
to people like that try to discredit the witness, and
you know what I mean, they find ways to try
to do that, so they say, well, she must not
have had that experience. Therefore there was no mileagh below
in the car, which explains that, you know what I mean.
And it's a shame that that happens, because you know,
especially it's mostly scientists that are skeptics, you know what
I mean, and they're the ones that are supposed to
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be open minded to really help them sure object.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, I mean, the ad they go with the ad
hominin attack if they've got nothing else to go with,
but especially in the multiple witness cases that that becomes,
you know, more difficult to do because you have multiple
people who are confirming corroborating that they had the same
(30:10):
experience or saw the same thing. What are you gonna
say that they're all crazy, you know, that they're you know,
all on drugs, when that's it wasn't patently true at all. Yeah,
of all the cases that you know, it could be
a famous case or something obscure, what is like the
most intriguing contact or close encountercase that for you that's
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always been there and sits in your mind and it
comes back to you and you think about it.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
So I think of Travis Walton all the time. I
love Travis Walton's story. I love how he was out
there with multiple people that witnessed him get taken by
the craft. I love the fact that he was going
for multiple days, you know what I mean, that's that's crazy.
I had to put it in there different times. If
you've seen how I did it, it wouldn't let me put
a website in there all on one word, Okay, But yeah,
(31:05):
I love Travis Walton because I mean to be gone
multiple different days and then to come back and be
at a random pythone a little way, you know what
I mean, and make that phone call, and to have
them listening in on that phone call, so it's not
like he made it all up, you know what I mean.
They remember, I don't know if you in Travis Walton's story,
when he calls on that pathon on the fifth day
when he was when he has returned, the government was
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listening in on that phone call and the pathon, so
they knew he was there at that location, and right
before they got there, his friend had picked him up
and taken him home. So I mean, it's all it's
it's really neat how that the chain of events happened
and they were able to confirm that he was actually
there and it happened. It's just it's mind blowing, mind blowing.
(31:49):
And I had the DVD and I watched that, and
I had the book and read that and met Travis
a couple of times. A really cool guy, really good
story if you're looking for him. It has corroborated evidence
and and and a lot of details in it. That's
a great case to look at. Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I think it is hands down the best case because
especially because there was a traction from the town and
from the police department, because they initially had thought that
these men, you know, had were covering up some kind
of accident or a murder of something. And so because
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that attention there was, there was an investigation like like
none other in the history of UFO abductions. I mean,
they had teams of people, they had I think there
were some people on horseback, no horseback. They had teams
of dogs, you know, searching the Turkey Hills, a Turkey
Springs for days looking for him. Yeah. And then you
(32:52):
have the light detector administered to these individuals. You have, yeah,
medical tests done on Travis. There's there's so much there.
I I'm dumbfounded that someone who's like of a truly
skeptical mind, I don't mean a debunker, but someone who's
a truly skeptical mind isn't just fascinated by this case
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and and spend their time, you know, reading through it.
I mean at Travis Walton's book Fire, I think Fire
in the Sky, right was the name of the book.
He does an excellent, excellent job of countering all the debunking,
especially done by Philip Class at the time.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, And I just I want to know like, how
many of those debunkers and skeptics actually picked that book
up and read it before you know, they go on
the the attack.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And I don't think it's you don't think many read it.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I don't think many skeptics. No. I think you probably
have someone like Seth Shostak, who's you know, from SETI
who is I think an honest skeptic. I think he's biased,
but I think he's an honest person. He's probably read it.
But for the most part, when you see a lot
of these debunker attacks online, these are people who actually
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aren't doing the research. They're looking at a very level.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, that's crazy because you take an
oath as a scientist when you take that kind of position,
that job you go to school to be open minded,
to look at things that we don't really know yet,
and to take that oath and do that, and then
to ignore things like this and to not really look
at all the evidence and just make an assumption. It
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kind of goes against everything a scientists is supposed to be, right.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, I kind of feel like scientists should have their
own hippocratic oath, you know, like just like the just like.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Mak it medical over.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, well, you know, like a moral compass. Yes, you know,
you know, in medicine it's it's it's it's do no
harm essentially, and it should be the same. I think
for anyone who studies science, uh all, all all goals
for science should be oriented toward the benefit of humanity
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and making life better for us, improving life, making it enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
And that.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
And I but I could maybe it's naive to think
that if you run you know, students through school and
you try to you know, drill that into their into
their mindset, into their philosophy, into their approach and methodology
and science, that that would change things. But I would
imagine there would certainly be an increase number of people
(35:46):
who are studying, you know, sciences that might actually behave
more responsibly if they were trained that way.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, I think today work in today's time, people are
kids growing up today are more of minded than kids
that grew up back in the eighties and seventies and sixties,
you know what I mean. And then you also don't
have that that that crazy stigma there, you know what
I mean, where the government and the military and sending
people to your home and harassing you and doing those
(36:16):
things today.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
So it's a completely different world, and we kind of
had that disclosure effect happening where we've been getting little
bits and pieces where that would never happen back then.
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, you know, I do struggle a little bit with
with this. So a skeptic might say, look, I'm not saying,
you know, people are having these contact experiences are no,
you know, uber crazy, but maybe they do just need help.
(36:52):
Maybe they just need to talk to a regular psychologist
and that would be enough. And I can I can
understand and that to a degree. That and the problem
with that is that it's kind of like saying that
if if you intake someone's report, if you're there to
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listen to them, you're almost only reaffirming their fantasy, right,
So like from a psychologist's point of view, that would
be a bad thing to reaffirm a fantasy. And but
I don't and I understand that. On the one hand,
I do, because there certainly are that, you know, the
(37:36):
occasional person where they are unwell. But the problem with
that argument as a blanket argument, it's almost it's it's
almost like a an ad hominem, but it's like a
guilty argument because it's it's like saying, if you do
anything other than this approach, then you are potentially harming
(38:03):
or or not doing well. You know, by people are
coming and sharing these experiences, how would you, you know,
being an experiencer and having experience helping people, how would
you respond to that if you were in a healthy
conversation with a skeptic.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Oh my god? That because people like that are so
stuck in their ways, you know what I mean, people
like that are really said in their ways and they
really don't and they're the professional in that situation too,
and you're the money. So it's like, you know, are
they really going to even give you the time of
day and to listen to what you have to say
and you actually take it in and listen. You know. See,
(38:44):
A really good thing that's starting to happen is I'm
seeing therapists and individuals with licenses to help people like
that are starting to slowly open UFO textbooks and looking
at the data and the experience or phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
So if I had to give any advice on that,
I would say, you know, look for somebody that's like that,
that has an open mind, and I had an individual
that I interviewed on my podcast on season one. His
name was Eric Schlummer, and he is a psychologist and
he's into the UFO phenomenon and he actually started bringing
in experiencers and that he has as clients, you know
(39:25):
what I mean. And he's open to this whole subject.
So I think that would be somebody that you would
want to go to that would be open minded enough
to speak to about what happened to you, you know
what I mean, that's the person that I would want
to speak to. If you're not even open minded to
the possibility that would happened to me happened, then I
really I don't think it's even beneficial, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Definitely it's not worth worth the argument.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, right right, because I really don't think that they
would even they would even even if I told them
and went to them with every little bit of data,
you know what I mean and evidence? Mm hmm, would
they consider that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Then what's the point?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, yeah, of course it is still I would say
that's true. It's still typical. But yes, like you said,
there's also exceptions. These days, more more than in the past,
are you still hearing accounts modern accounts of alien alleged implants,
(40:34):
because I remember in like the nineties early two thousands,
doctor Roger Lear, that was a big thing, and that
was it was like a thing. I mean, I mean,
it was, you know, video recorded these removals of implants,
and they're really you know, detail oriented. Yeah, studies the.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Great book by the way, Roger Lear's implants. That book
is absolutely phenomen right.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And but since there's really there's no one else, I
don't think that's that's leading in the way that he is.
And I wonder, are are we having less people who
are reporting implants?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I mean I think so. I mean I haven't had
an implant report. I don't think since I started. I've
had people say that they think that they have had implants,
and I've tried to help them collect the data to
find that they have because we know, like the MF readers,
you can you know, most of the time implants do
give off a signal. But we've learned that through Roger Lear.
(41:38):
He used the readers in different devices to get these signals.
So a lot of times you think you have one
a MF reader or or a stub finder or things
like that can help you detect them, you know, but
I never the experience, never went that far enough to
be able to figure out if they did or not
didn't get the reader. So but I don't. I don't
have anybody reporting definite implants and evidence of it. I
(42:01):
haven't had that since I started with move On, and
I started in twenty nineteen. I mean, that's you know,
it's a long time. Yeah, you would think I would
come across it by now, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
You would think so, And I just don't hear a
lot about it. Especially in the age of social media.
You would think it would be more prolific that that
shared information because you wouldn't have to rely on a
show like I don't know, any ancient aliens or sightings
or a documentary of some sort. It could just be
out there, you know, listening to coast to coast, you know.
(42:33):
Over the years, I felt like there's a slowdown of
you know, reports about implants as well. And there used
to be some really strange properties to these things, like
like you said, it would react maybe to like an
EMF signal, or it would move like apparently I remember
(42:55):
seeing video. It's been a while where it looks like
the metallic little to kind of like moves a little
bit in reaction.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah. Roger Lear talks about it in the book. He says,
if you could actually move it under the skin right
con where I went.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, Yeah, And then also reports of it kind of
almost just upon observation or an attempt to remove it
would kind of it dissolve into the body, which is
really bizarre.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yep, it would take itself in arrow deeper. Yeah, It's crazy,
it really is. And it makes you think that if
we're not getting we're not getting reports of objects like
that anymore, implanets have they have they upgraded to something new?
You know what I mean too, we know to something
(43:52):
different that we're not seeing them.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, Okay, So I think that this may be one
of those clues that could lead us somewhere to understanding
what a change of behavior or new approaches, because just
like I believe we're having less close encounters with UFO
(44:16):
craft where we have far fewer large scale sightings like
the Phoenix lights and It's Stephenville in two thousand and eight,
I believe because of our technology advancing, you know, because
because we have cell phones and cameras on every building, everywhere.
(44:38):
We have more tons of satellites now in the sky
and there's a proliferation of detection devices of all sorts.
And because of that, I do think that they've almost
kind of stepped back and they're keeping their distance and
you know, lessening their chances of being caught on camera
and what have you. And Okay, so if that's true,
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you know, it's an assumption, but if that's true, then
maybe we're seeing the same thing with the implant. Maybe
they're not doing implants because maybe our medical technology or
other technologies for detecting this have increased, or perhaps because
we all have cell phones in our pockets and maybe
the cell phone signal would somehow interfere or react with
(45:26):
the implant.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, mhm, absolutely, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, something exactly. Yeah, And I hope that like we
can get to a point where we see more of
these these possible presumed patterns and make something of it.
And I'm really excited about, you know, what AI can
do because you know, move On is a volunteer organization
and there's only so much you know, money there to
(45:56):
put into you know, developing software and how hiring people
to run programs. So in the affordability of AI could
really make a big difference. Here. Here's another question, though,
you know, this is just a speculative one for you.
If AI, you know, does eventually become I don't want
(46:19):
to use the word singularity, that seems a bit overblown
or overuse. But if it does come into its own
consciousness the first one, does that present a problem? Do
you think with our continued ah search for or possible
(46:40):
interaction with, you know, non human intelligence, I.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Would see, I don't know. AI scares me a lot, really,
does you know what I mean? Yeah, that frightens me
a lot. And when you hear people like Stephen Hall
and Elon Muss talk about it and warn us about it,
you know what I mean, It's like those are the
people if anybody knew, they would know, you know what
(47:07):
I mean, smart as some of the smartest people in
the world. And it's like if they got if AI
got to that point where they were kind of thinking
for themselves and doing that kind of thing, I don't
think we would even have a place in making contact
anymore anyway, because they would find they would they would
(47:28):
probably think that they'd be better at initiating that contact
and probably more civil and than than humans would be,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, that's what I was curious though, I think they would,
would they interfere.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Right right? I don't know, I don't think. I think
I think if anything, they would take over that that
role of making that contact rather than letting us try
to do it, especially because there's no one leader here
on Earth, you know what I mean. AI would would
would coincide with each other and there would only be
(48:04):
one you know what I mean. They kind of work
as one, So I think they would take that over
rather than have us try to make contact and then
have like the United States trying to talk to him
and Russia trying to talk to them China. Because would
we come together as a people to like have the
world you know, NATO or somebody like that speak for
the entire world. Are we capable of doing that as
(48:26):
as a human news, you know what I mean? Where
AI would probably be a lot safer and more more.
I don't know, we're better at doing that in a sense,
you know what I mean, then we would I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah, they actually might be a great interpreter for an
alien species that is, right, more advanced than us. Sentient
maybe similar in many ways, but maybe also different if
you'd like it, something like like trying to commune with dolphins.
(49:02):
They're clearly sentient. There's seem to be totally self.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think of I think of human flaws when we
talk about this, you know what I mean, That's what
I think of the flaws of a human being. And
that's why we're not the ones that that would be
good to speak with them for the first time, making
that misery that contact, you know, with A I think, Okay,
well maybe they're all going to try to keep it
for themselves and then they're going to start war over it,
(49:28):
you know what I mean. That's that's how I think.
And I think AI would definitely cut us out of
the picture if it got to that point, you know
what I mean. I mean, look what's going on right
now with israelal and that's that's what humans do. They're fighting.
I mean, we're a war, a war consuming people.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, but you know that's that's where that brings up
the whole the whole thing about AI being it's modeled
off of humans right right. Everything that it is or
can become is drawn from human knowledge and emotion and behaviors.
(50:13):
So I'm not saying that it would have emotion like
like us. But we don't know how that modeling will
affect a fully conscious AI, and it maybe it just
decides that all of that is BS and I'm just
going to be purely logical. On the other hand, you
(50:35):
might have differing AI because I know what you're thinking.
You were thinking about, like AI would almost seem to
all AI would merge because it would be on the
same level. But because you actually have different companies in
different countries developing AI, if the first AI doesn't kind
(50:56):
of take over everything, you know, you know what if
you get uh, separate AIS come coming into consciousness, self consciousness,
self awareness and they disagree with and they I've.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Never even thought about that before, you know what I mean. Yeah,
that's yeah, that would be that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
And that and that could be I hate to be
so so dire, but you know that that could be
a apocalyptic especially because you know, everything AI is is
because of human beings. We just don't know how that
they they would behave amongst themselves.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, that's very true. Would there be good, would there
be bad? A mix of it?
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Right? Absolutely? Right? Yeah, Yeah, that's like a whole other
rabbit hole you got me thinking about.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Now, well, you know, I think it is just before Yeah, well, well,
when it comes to et contact, you do have experiencers
who come away and they're like, this being seemed like
a biological thing. It seemed a little more emotive, you know,
(52:21):
naturally emotive. And then this you know, small small gray
seemed like ant like or more robotic like. And I
think that it only makes sense that it's significantly advanced
species would also develop computers and AI and other forms
(52:45):
of consciousness. And that's probably what we're seeing there, and
that might and I do wonder if that explains the
smaller percentage. I think it's something like, I don't know,
like it ranges from like ten, you know, to fifteen
twenty percent of people who report having bad experiences in
(53:07):
you know, in contact experiences, and that percentage will shrink
a little bit over time the way they when they
reconsider you know, their whole experience. But the initial experience
can oftentimes seem very kind of cold, you know, like
(53:28):
a very lab rat like, And that to me sounds
like maybe that's what we're seeing, is the extraterrestrials version
of AI kind of going out there and doing work
on their behalf. If we were to build it's like us,
if we build a robot right to work in our homes,
there would be like that little bit of a fear
(53:49):
that they might do something that. It's not amoral to them.
It's just a behavior that's a little bit off from
their programming, but they don't have the the human consciousness
to kind of check itself.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Right, m robots and the one they're all red, and
the one turns blue when he fights against the red
ones kind of took over.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
It's not not I robot, right, That was with Will Smith.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, yeah, I robe that it yeah robot.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, Oh, because it's it's eyes turn blue. Is that
what it was?
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah? His head turns blue, the color of his head.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Oh okay, okay, And.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
All the other ones are red, and he's kind of
different from them all. He learns how to how humans think,
and he learns to have like human traits, and it
helps them fight against that, you know what I mean?
See all of our all of our movies where AI
kind of takes over, you know, like Terminator I robot
for example. It's it's one AI versus the world, you
know what I mean, And that's how I've always thought
of it. But when you bring out thinking about different
(54:57):
AIS from different areas and that being different, like I
really never even thought of that possibility before, you know
what I mean. So to think about that, I mean,
I think, I guess it could could happen that way,
you know what I mean, especially having different countries with
different AIS. You know, I guess there is a really
good possibility of that.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Well, I think there's also the assumption that AI would
be emotionless and hive like, right, like an ant colony.
They would just kind of conjoin together. But you know,
look at like a B colony, right, M bees actually
kind of have a personality, like the even individual bees,
(55:37):
so you know, the people, and that's perfect an example
terminator I robot. Well, yeah, the general consensus view is
there would be this hive like merging of AI sentience,
but still the exception, you know, right, Arnold Schwarzenegger being
(55:59):
the exception in t to the robot program. Right, And
so is that just wishful thinking, I wonder or is
that something sort of intuitive that I I mean that.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Has it would have to be that way, right, because
it would be like putting a virus into that that AI.
You know what I mean. Any virus can change an
AI right, well, way you put a virus in a
change mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Okay, So and we won't we won't jump into quantum
AI because that's like way above possibly possibly even conceived
of right now. But yeah, Jesse, thanks so much for
for hanging out tonight. I really I really enjoyed. It's
gonna talk to you as always.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I appreciate it, man, Yeah, I was happy to come
on and talk. Man. It's been a while, so I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, we've got to catch up. We missed each other
because not neither of us went to Pine Bush this year.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
So I'm definitely going. I'm making it a making a
plan to definitely go next year because it's been two
years now signing go. Yeah it was going every year,
but it was like different things going on. So I'm
making it a definite plan next year ago.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
And there's also the Carbon Daien Festival as well. That's
a new festival that launched. Yeah, I launched it. I
launched it. It launched last November for its first event
for First Fair, and I spoke there, which was which
(57:35):
was fun and it was a it was a carbon
or carbondal p A. Yeah, it's they call it the
Carbon Dalien Festival.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Really, I'm gonna have to look at that.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, I was looking at we can meet up there
at some point.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, absolutely, I was looking at the Kexsburgh Festival. Kexsburgh.
U both.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
Oh, that's that's way too far from Yeah, I mean
that's far from you.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I didn't look at how far it was. I seen.
It was like, oh my god, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Isn't it. It's like it's almost towards Pittsburgh. I feel
like it's pretty far out there.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Okay, yeah, but it's far Yeah, okay, But if you.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Can leave us with if you can leave us with
one thought anything at all, Jesse, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (58:34):
My biggest thing that I've always you know, what we
spoke about it earlier, is to have an open mind
about things, especially this phenomenon. I mean, we know about
how many different rabbit holes there are, how many different
experiences there are. The possibilities are really endless, and I
think if you have to have an open mind about things,
and by having that open mind, you'll really you'll really
(58:57):
advance in this field and really understand it, better understanding
about it, have more connection with people, and just just
a better overall thought process of the phenomena. So definitely.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
All right. Cool, Well, let's keep an open mind and
happy fourth of July, Happy Independence Day. I hope you
have a great weekend, my friend.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yes, thank you. Happy for ever anybody has a good
weekend and enjoys it with their family. And thanks again
for having me on.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
And I appreciate it man, absolutely, and thank you for
your service regarding this holiday as well. I really appreciate you, man,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Okay, brother, all right, well, good night and thanks Jesse,
and thank you everybody for joining in the chat. I
appreciate you your questions and comments. This has been a
nice kind of fireside chat tonight with with Jesse Peak.
So please go check out his podcast, UFO Encounters Worldwide.
Great interviewer, really knowledgeable ufologist as well. This podcast is
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love everyone, and live in the mystery.
However you are, and whenever you are, welcome back to
coffee and UFO's two of my favorite things. I have
a return guest on tonight, Jesse Peake. He is a
Moffon State director based out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He is
a real deal investigator. He's also part of the Experience
or Resource Resource Team out of Moufon, which is a
(00:35):
team designated to in taking you know, quote unquote abductee reports,
experience or contactee reports with close encounters. And I actually
am just joining the r T team myself, so I'm
still in the beginning stages of processing that. But I'm
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really really curious to talk to Jesse about this, especially
because I'm new to the ERT team. I think that
so much of the news coverage today really really covers
the UAP news and you know, what's going on with
released military videos and all that is is fantastic, but
(01:18):
I always like to bring it back to you know,
what are people on the daily experiencing out there regarding
the UFO enigma, and in particular these odd high strangeness
contact e experiences reports that we've been getting for decades,
many of which and I can attest to this and
(01:39):
so can any other Muffon investigator. There's so many people
out there who have high strangeness encounters regarding UFOs that
aren't out there in the news. You know. There aren't
YouTube channels, you know, covering their stories, doing editorials. It's
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not on the History channel. These are just people who
are out there. They had an experience, they wanted to
share it, and they have zero intent intention of being
publicly known or to share it publicly. People who have
experiences that they believe one hundred percent was real. And
to be in this field, you have to have an
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open mind, and you have to have empathy, compassion, kindness,
and the willingness to listen and hope that you can
learn something from those experiences. Because many of those experiencers,
it turns out they're saying they're just regular people. It
could be a recurring event, or it could be something
(02:44):
that happened once many decades ago or last week and
that's it and then they move on with their life.
So I want to bring on our special guests. Jesse Peeke,
how wi are you, brother?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Welcome back, hey Ellen, thank you, prouving me man.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Glad to be back, absolutely absolutely so. Obviously, you know
having just you know, been accepted into the ER team. Myself,
I'm really curious about what art does and if you
can share what you do in that regard you with
with the listeners.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Absolutely, I think it's important to start off by saying,
as an R Team member, we're not there to tell
you if your experience really happened, or whether you know
you did go through something or you didn't go through something.
We're there simply as a support option where they're as
a shoulder for you to lean on, for you to
(03:40):
tell your stories to someone because most people, you know,
they have no one to talk to, so most of
the time we're the first person they're explaining their entire
experience to, which can be frightening in itself. So yeah,
we basically we just talked on the phone. We get
to know you really well, get to hear your side
of the story, and we're there any support fashion that
(04:00):
you need, whether you may need information on the subject
because you might not be educated on it. You may
need support groups, which a lot of people do, myself
included when I after I have my experiences because I
am an experience for myself. And then we also do
things like hypnosis and we have medical professionals that can
help you and go even farther with it your help.
(04:22):
So we really do a bunch of different things for individuals,
but most of the most important is to be there
for them, you know what I mean, because they don't
have anybody, even they're a family. I mean, I even
experienced it when I went through my experience where I
told a couple of different family members of that what
happened to me, and one family member of mine actually,
you know, kind of shot me down and told me,
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you know, stopped looking into that crazy stuff, you know,
and it kind of hurt, you know. So you don't
tell your family members about this kind of stuff because
you're afraid of that, and it happens a lot. So
it's great that we can be there for people and
we're able to take reports like this and do this
for individu. We do go through a separate training process
and a regular field of investigator, which is great too.
(05:06):
We go through mental health training, which is something I
actually helped put into the the training process. It's called
the be their Certificate, very very important. I think that's
also a big part of the experience phenomenon. But yeah,
I mean that's that's basically the short gift of it,
you know, just a support option to be there. It's
a shoulder to lean on for people and to help
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them if they want to further their their their knowledge
on the subject and get for their help to learn
about their own experience.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, I appreciate that there is a lot to learn.
I just want to share this comment really quick with
you from Kurt W seventy five and YouTube. He says,
how to allegrate to see you buddy, hope you're doing well.
Hey Jesse, thanks for your time and knowledge tonight also
from and currently in PA. So good to see you also.
So it's nice to see another Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
How you doing ka.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
In Pennsylvania? Is there? Do you see any trends regarding
the UFO phenomena?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So with the e r T, I don't they send
us cases from all over so we don't specifically get
them just from Pennsylvania. When you're with the RT, it's
a little more wherever they need you, they kind of
send you a type deal. So, I mean, I haven't
really talked to specifically just people here in Pennsylvania about
the experience phenomenon, but a lot of trends that I
have seen that I have come across different marks on
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the body. A lot of times people come away with
different markings. People think they have implants, you know a
lot of times what I see and I've actually dealt
with it myself, the triangular marks three dots a lot
of and I see this a lot. I mean, it's
it's really weird. It kind of you know, get you
thinking whether it's on their arms or legs wherever it is.
(06:53):
After they haven't experience, they have these three dots in
a triangular shape and it's like, what what is that?
You know, and we still haven't able to figure it out.
But I mean, it's just mind blowing to see the
kind of things people can walk away with it they're
having an experience, and then even some people have the implants,
like we know Willie Streeber was somebody that had major
implants in his ear. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I think what a lot of people misunderstand about the
intake of the experience of reports. You know, they see movies,
they see documentaries and they think it's like some kind
of program where you're offering therapy and hypnotherapy and all
(07:39):
these things and that that's really not initially what it's about.
It's about just hearing the person out in taking their
case so that they feel like they have someone that's
non judgmental that listens to their story. But the resource
isn't the title right, So you can refer them if
need be, you can there's an outsourced referral that you
(08:00):
can say, Hey, you can reach out to these people
if you'd like, Yeah, what have you and you've have
you had success with that where they've reached out to
someone for for help.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So I put people in contact with both hypnotherapists and
remote viewers, because not hypnotherapy is not for everybody. Some
people don't agree with how it works and then what
you have to go through to kind of get those
memories back. So remote viewing is something that is another option,
and I've actually sent more people to do that, myself
(08:34):
included I actually I had Margie k actually do my
remote viewing, the owner and producer of the NX Network
and move on director of Missouri. She actually did my
remote viewing for me and helped you with my experience
and it actually gave me a lot of information that
I didn't have prior. Some people get scared when they
do hypnosis because they can mess with your memories and
(08:55):
sometimes you can be unsure if something's real or not
so then and it can that's your memories of it
and put them in different places. So yeah, I've done
those and I've had I've had some people say it's
helped tremendously, and I've had some people say, you know,
it really didn't more. Some people are better just learning
more information about the subject, and that's how they learn
(09:15):
more about their own experiences. Some people learn through the
remote viewing process or the hypnosis. Every person is different,
That's definitely a big part of this. There's no one
person that has the same thing coming to you for help,
so you know everything is it zone. It's like you're
treating it for the first time, so very important.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
How much do you think these experiences are truly like
a physical contact experience with an extraterrestrial.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
That's a that's an important question, big question there. I
don't know. I mean, most people think that they have
some kind of contact with the et that I come
that I talk to through the eer T. But I've
also come across a lot of individuals that we've come
to find out that where they thought they've had contact
(10:04):
with the with an et or being, it's actually a
screen memory in place. I don't know how to figure
out how to explain this to you. Like so for example,
you know, they think that they've seen something or had
an experience, happened or did something, but really it was
just a memory put there to make them forget about
something else that happened during their experience. That's what a
screen memory kind of is. H It's placed there to
(10:27):
make you think something else happened when something really happened
that was opposite of it. So I've dealt with that,
and it's it's it's interesting how they how they can
change memories like that and make you have screen memories
in place or real memories.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, but how do you know if it's a screen
memory versus the how do you discern between that and
the real memory.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's a good question. So for example, I can guess
this is the easy, easy one. I've talked to another
move on the men about this, and they and they
came to find out that they had a screen memory
in place of a real memory. They said that they
were driving down the street, they had lots of time,
and they remember driving down the street and they came
to a fork in the road and a tree was
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in the middle of the road and they had their
contact experience, when really what happened was is that he
was abducted from the vehicle and he was taken up
to the graft. He had some things on to him
his place back in his vehicle, and that's when he
returned home with the missing time. But he remembered there
being a tree in the middle of the road and
(11:34):
coming into contact with some kind of other being. But
as he did regression and hypnosis, he kind of found
out that's not really what happened. It was a memory
that was implanted there to make him think something else happened.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It's almost like a explain that the regression you can
kind of get past that block. It's like there's a
memory behind it that I think another sign Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I was gonna say. Another sign could be like, let's
say you're driving down the road, people will see something
(12:09):
like deer or animals kind of just standing there right
almost unnaturally looking at that. Yeah, and that's a clue
that that there's a screen memory of some sort.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's right, And then made me. Remember there is an
option when we're doing our list or the ert and
actually people can see different They mostly see als, is
like the big thing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
One of the animals is interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
But we actually have a selection that we can select
during where we're filling out the paperwork of different animals
they see and that's a screen memory, you know what
I mean. It's not really an oly sitting there looking
at you that you came in contact with. It's actually
a being and you had contact experience. You know, It's
it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Right, Okay, I have to ask you about this. So
I have a particular interest in electrical malfunctioning and UFO encounters,
interference you know, with technic with technology. So this is
something that you've you know, spent time on. Yeah, what
(13:16):
is what is happening? Why why do we see this
sort of interference with electronics and mechanics with UFO encounters
and what have you discovered?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So we've come across a I mean a couple of
different theories as to why it could be happening. One
is to you know, kind of the stopping of sharing
the information of an experience happening at that moment in time.
We've seen where like, for example, cell phone malfunctions. When
you see a UFO, when they come within a certain
(13:48):
range of the individual, their cell phone malfunctions, All electronics
around them, you know, stop working, and once the UFO
begins to leave and reaches a certain distance, everything comes
back like normal, like nothing ever happened in that case.
In a lot of the cases we see that you know,
this is this is happening because they don't want you
(14:08):
to call for help. They don't want you to share
the information. They don't want you to take videos and
send on a live stream, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Things like that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's this theories that we've come to think about, you
know what I mean, why else would they stop you
from using a cell phone during an encounter, you know,
maybe to get photos. But even though there's been people
that have taken photos of UFOs and then when they
go to look at the photo later on, it's completely
blurry and it doesn't even come out to be anything,
or the objects too far away, or you know, a
(14:37):
bunch of different things can happen. So in that instance,
I would say that they don't want you sharing that information.
They don't want you remembering what happened. They don't want
you to, you know, they're kind of trying to hide
what they're doing in a sense. That's that's the main
reason we come across that, and then the research that
we've done through Project that tech.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, this is one of those things as you hear
from skeptics and de bunkers, why don't people whip out
their cell phone and take a picture when they're having
a close encounter an abduction experience. Yeah, and there's that
side of it, there's a technological malfunction. I'm one of
one of my move on reports that I dealt with.
(15:20):
That's exactly what they described. They tried to take out
their phone and as they did, the phone just shut
down right just they couldn't they couldn't take a picture
with it, and then after the UFO had passed by,
it was like working fine again.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So that's exactly what happened to me. And that's the
reason I kind of started the project is because I
had my my first major experience with my dad where
we had been this four gold objects in the sky
daylight slighting in the middle of the city of Philadelphia.
Pretty crazy stuff. We've watched them change formation and then
disappear one at a time, but I had just gotten
(15:56):
my phone. I had it for about a month, and
I took my phone out and I'm trying to take
photos a video of it, and my phone started like
the screen went black and my buttons started going crazy,
and then like you see it on the skinwalking ranch
and say with people, because that's where you see it at.
And then I started taking video, but it wouldn't record,
and I'm like, what is going on here? And then
(16:18):
they started they changed formation from a single file to
a two and two formation. Once they did that, it
went from the two and two to a single file,
and then they started disappearing one at a time, and
then once the last two were left, my phone came
on and I was able to take a photo which
I have still photos up to the last two objects,
but the other video I took is all black but
(16:39):
only has audio recording from the video I was trying
to take when they were changing formation, when I was
trying to get all four objects in the sky. So
I had that happen to me, and I didn't know
that it was a major phenomenon where these electrical malfunctions happened.
And then I started getting cases or move on and
on the side. And that's when I started Project Battech
and I was like, wow, this is something to it,
(16:59):
this is why this happened, you know. And then that's
when we started doing the research into this, because that's
obviously what happened there in that situation. Is what I
feel now, you know what I mean, But I didn't
know it at the time.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, yeah, it seems like there's this an intentional interference
with technology, But do you think that there's just sort
of like incidental.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That's the other thing too, is that we believe that
their technology is so great and we don't fully understand
it yet, is that their natural technology can malfunction regular
objects that we have here on Earth because they're just
so far advanced that I mean a lot of times
we see that it's radiation that can affect electronics and
things like that, and naturally that they probably have radiation
(17:47):
on their craft, you know what I mean, their propulsion systems,
whatever it is that they're using, and they're naturally flying
by and it's hitting our electrical whatever we're using it,
so whatever electronics were using. And the cool part is
is as we started doing more cases for Project Backtech,
we started to realize that the data was giving us
a range that the UFOs had to come within to
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affect the technical electronics. So we would see they would
come within a certain amount of feet within the person
or the experiencer, and then once they reached that limit
and move from that area, the electronics come back on.
So that's how we figured out it had to be
some kind of technology that they're using that's naturally doing
this as well, but there are intentions where they do
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it purposely. I think.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think the most simplified way of explaining it is
when you take a cell phone, especially the older cell phones,
and you bring it close to a speaker yep, and
you kind of get this like electrical feedback. It's ringing sounds.
It's two technologies living side by side, but when they
get just close enough they don't interact. Well yeah, and
(18:57):
so if you're talking about technologlogy from off world that
is however many years in advance with ours, there's bound
to be some sort of uh interference or incompatibility. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Absolutely. And we see what house strong radiation is, and
there's different types of radiation which we did research all
during the project. So I mean it could be any
any factors of this, you know what I mean, just affecting. Yeah, naturally,
it's pretty crazy. We did a bunch of research papers.
There's a website for it, so if anybody did want
to check it out, you can go to Project battech
dot WordPress dot com and read everything. We made everything
(19:35):
public as possible, so you know, everybody can kind of
learn from it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's a logic one that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Tech project bat tech four oh four dot WordPress dot.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Com or dot press dot com. Here okay, yeah, if
you can put it in chat, that would be that
would be great.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yep sign and okay cool?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So can you discern anything from.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Sorry it's making me?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Can you can you discern anything from that research? Two?
Help explain what the technology is to kind of reveal
what they might be using as a technology quote unquote day.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So yeah, I definitely think it's ionizing ionizing radiator radiation
and non ionizing radiation, which is a big factor.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And how is that that that's that's just the Is
that just the effect or.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
That's natural effects of ionizing?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
What and what would the purpose be for ionizing? Would
it be like for anti gravity? What would the what
it's the function? H do you think, you know, if
you're taking a guess.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
They're playing it all to you real quickly. One second. Sure,
I just want to get the right that. I don't
want to get it mixed up, and I have it
right here, so we have Yeah, it's making me sign
into the chat for some reason and I cannot get
into chat.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh okay, don't worry. I mean you can. You can
always email or text it and then I can share
it as well.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Okay, let me explain this, Okay, so let me see
here we have the and we kind of explain it
like if people don't fully understand it. We did a
paper it's called a cosmic rays in em and we
and if we know typically you know, we can have
different cosmic rays that come in from the universe and
(21:50):
that naturally affects our technology and different electronics that we have.
And you kind of think of the UFO as being
a moving cosmic ray as it moves through Earth, you know,
and mean it moves by individuals, but electronics. We did
a paper all on that and but you know the
different particles of cosmic raise and how it can affect it.
(22:10):
But we did the radio microwave or let me see
the radiation frequencies and microwave frequencies. Okay, thank god, it's
a lot of detailed information. That's why I want to
look at it and read it.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Read it all to you that way.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So you got let's see, so you have radiated types
of electrical malfunctions. So you have radiated which happens when
high powered transmitters or electrical devices produces a radio frequency
that's picked up and causes on oneted effects in another device.
So that's unnatural radiated electromagnet electromagnetic interference radiated. So if
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a UFO is having some kind of radiation or or
it's using a propulsion system that has that in it,
it's naturally going to knock out your electronics as it's
flied by.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And then you have conducted electromagnetic interference, which happens when
there's a physical electrical path from a source to a receptor,
so it's also connecting to electronics as it's moving along,
depending on what kind of radiation and what kind of
electronics they have on boarders or UFO. And then you
have coupled electromagnetic interference, which happens when the source and
(23:31):
the receptor are close together. But not electrically connected. I mean,
there's all kinds of stuff we have on here that
can really give you a good idea.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
What do you what do you mean by the receptor?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So for example, the UFO, whatever technology they have on
the UFO is the recept Oh I'm sorry. So for
example your cell phone that could be a receptor. It
could be so for example, the UFO could have something
in their technology that connects to yourself and uses it
as a receptor, you know what I mean, and causes
(24:05):
that malfunctioned purposely, like talked about earlier, gotcha, kind of
like sourcing it out and doing it purpose I see.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, when you have you have you found any research,
any contact these or experiencers that I have noticed the
use of any of any technology act actively what during
their experience? Kind of like an inside scoop of like
maybe what's going on from the inside?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, oh, what's going on? How it's happening? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I mean, are they seeing any activity, any functions being
used and the technology being used?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Jesse, can you hear me.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Us anybody like that? Yet? You're talking about professionals as
to what it might be doing.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, yeah, just like if you're if you're a witness, right,
if you're an experiencer and you're maybe on board a
craft or what have you, you know, is there anything that
they're seeing on the inside and going, oh that could
be maybe that maybe that's it's what absolutely is absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Right, Yeah, I mean, I mean I've heard it an
experience your stories where where they're you know, they're on
a craft and they see you know, they always describe
the room that they're in and you know, seeing the table,
and we see the different utensils that they have on
the craft and they're going to be they use these
different things to look at their body and put the
implants in and things like that. So just by their
(25:44):
description of how advanced the technology is that they're using,
just to do like this, this overall exam of them,
I mean, you can only imagine what they must have
in the craft in general, especially to fly in and
out of our atmosphere, you know what I mean, to
be able to transfer from space to Earth like that,
still be able to serve here on Earth. It's just
it's it's mind modeling, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You know, I think it's it's fascinating. Most reports from
what I can tell when you're talking about a light
source an inside of the craft that they can't pinpoint
a particular light source. And there have been reports if
someone may maybe lying at a table on a light
facing down or something like that, but in most cases
(26:28):
the craft itself, it's almost like the light is emanating
from all around, but you know, they can't pinpoint a source,
almost like it's like it's coming from the walls or
the structure itself. Okay, okay, have you have you heard
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the same on your end?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, I mean I've had people when they're reporting of sighting,
you know what I mean. We've heard before where many
people will have different experiences even though there's a lot
of you would think they're seeing the same thing, but
they're seeing different lights, they're seeing different movements, things like that.
I've come across that a lot of my cases that
I've had, and that that blows my mind, you know
what I mean, to think that something's happening and you
(27:17):
have thirty people that are seeing this object of the
sky and every one of them seeing them something different
and describing something different. Sure, and then when you think
about you know, I love the database. How we have
a move on, you know, what I mean and how
And we always look for cases that are similar. But
it's like if these people are all seeing different things
but it's the same event, you know what I mean,
It's like, man, how can we collect that data and
(27:38):
we can all connect it? You know what I mean?
That's what I think about times, Yeah, because you know,
we literally similar cases and we kind of put them together,
you know, But it's like, what if they're seeing different things,
they're repporting different things, you know what I mean? How
can we connect all that data? And do you imagine
how much of it's actually out there?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh, there's so much more out there for sure. And
I know that move On is eventually going to be
incorporated like AI and analysis systems to make better use
of all that their data that's in there, because you
want to look for patterns, you want to look for
repeat behaviors and so to that could really accelerate our
(28:17):
understanding of the encounters themselves. Yeah. I think of Denise
Stunner's abduction case, which I'm sure you're familiar with, and
in her case, you have multiple witnesses, not only just
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more than one people that were in the car and
there was missing time, but on their destination. They were
to meet up with people, and they were hours late.
And this pedometer on the car, for instance, it didn't
it didn't clock any additional mileage that they seem to have. Yeah,
(29:01):
it's really really interesting. I don't know how. I don't
understand how a skeptic can just sort of toss a
case like that aside and not really take it seriously,
because you have multiple factors, you know, that corroborate the
case and support the support that something strange did happen.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I think what they try to do is they try
to people like that try to discredit the witness, and
you know what I mean, they find ways to try
to do that, so they say, well, she must not
have had that experience. Therefore there was no mileagh below
in the car, which explains that, you know what I mean.
And it's a shame that that happens, because you know,
especially it's mostly scientists that are skeptics, you know what
I mean, and they're the ones that are supposed to
(29:45):
be open minded to really help them sure object.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, I mean, the ad they go with the ad
hominin attack if they've got nothing else to go with,
but especially in the multiple witness cases that that becomes,
you know, more difficult to do because you have multiple
people who are confirming corroborating that they had the same
(30:10):
experience or saw the same thing. What are you gonna
say that they're all crazy, you know, that they're you know,
all on drugs, when that's it wasn't patently true at all. Yeah,
of all the cases that you know, it could be
a famous case or something obscure, what is like the
most intriguing contact or close encountercase that for you that's
(30:36):
always been there and sits in your mind and it
comes back to you and you think about it.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
So I think of Travis Walton all the time. I
love Travis Walton's story. I love how he was out
there with multiple people that witnessed him get taken by
the craft. I love the fact that he was going
for multiple days, you know what I mean, that's that's crazy.
I had to put it in there different times. If
you've seen how I did it, it wouldn't let me put
a website in there all on one word, Okay, But yeah,
(31:05):
I love Travis Walton because I mean to be gone
multiple different days and then to come back and be
at a random pythone a little way, you know what
I mean, and make that phone call, and to have
them listening in on that phone call, so it's not
like he made it all up, you know what I mean.
They remember, I don't know if you in Travis Walton's story,
when he calls on that pathon on the fifth day
when he was when he has returned, the government was
(31:28):
listening in on that phone call and the pathon, so
they knew he was there at that location, and right
before they got there, his friend had picked him up
and taken him home. So I mean, it's all it's
it's really neat how that the chain of events happened
and they were able to confirm that he was actually
there and it happened. It's just it's mind blowing, mind blowing.
(31:49):
And I had the DVD and I watched that, and
I had the book and read that and met Travis
a couple of times. A really cool guy, really good
story if you're looking for him. It has corroborated evidence
and and and a lot of details in it. That's
a great case to look at. Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I think it is hands down the best case because
especially because there was a traction from the town and
from the police department, because they initially had thought that
these men, you know, had were covering up some kind
of accident or a murder of something. And so because
(32:27):
that attention there was, there was an investigation like like
none other in the history of UFO abductions. I mean,
they had teams of people, they had I think there
were some people on horseback, no horseback. They had teams
of dogs, you know, searching the Turkey Hills, a Turkey
Springs for days looking for him. Yeah. And then you
(32:52):
have the light detector administered to these individuals. You have, yeah,
medical tests done on Travis. There's there's so much there.
I I'm dumbfounded that someone who's like of a truly
skeptical mind, I don't mean a debunker, but someone who's
a truly skeptical mind isn't just fascinated by this case
(33:16):
and and spend their time, you know, reading through it.
I mean at Travis Walton's book Fire, I think Fire
in the Sky, right was the name of the book.
He does an excellent, excellent job of countering all the debunking,
especially done by Philip Class at the time.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, And I just I want to know like, how
many of those debunkers and skeptics actually picked that book
up and read it before you know, they go on
the the attack.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And I don't think it's you don't think many read it.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I don't think many skeptics. No. I think you probably
have someone like Seth Shostak, who's you know, from SETI
who is I think an honest skeptic. I think he's biased,
but I think he's an honest person. He's probably read it.
But for the most part, when you see a lot
of these debunker attacks online, these are people who actually
(34:15):
aren't doing the research. They're looking at a very level.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, that's crazy because you take an
oath as a scientist when you take that kind of position,
that job you go to school to be open minded,
to look at things that we don't really know yet,
and to take that oath and do that, and then
to ignore things like this and to not really look
at all the evidence and just make an assumption. It
(34:42):
kind of goes against everything a scientists is supposed to be, right.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, I kind of feel like scientists should have their
own hippocratic oath, you know, like just like the just like.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Mak it medical over.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, well, you know, like a moral compass. Yes, you know,
you know, in medicine it's it's it's it's do no
harm essentially, and it should be the same. I think
for anyone who studies science, uh all, all all goals
for science should be oriented toward the benefit of humanity
(35:18):
and making life better for us, improving life, making it enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
And that.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
And I but I could maybe it's naive to think
that if you run you know, students through school and
you try to you know, drill that into their into
their mindset, into their philosophy, into their approach and methodology
and science, that that would change things. But I would
imagine there would certainly be an increase number of people
(35:46):
who are studying, you know, sciences that might actually behave
more responsibly if they were trained that way.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, I think today work in today's time, people are
kids growing up today are more of minded than kids
that grew up back in the eighties and seventies and sixties,
you know what I mean. And then you also don't
have that that that crazy stigma there, you know what
I mean, where the government and the military and sending
people to your home and harassing you and doing those
(36:16):
things today.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
So it's a completely different world, and we kind of
had that disclosure effect happening where we've been getting little
bits and pieces where that would never happen back then.
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, you know, I do struggle a little bit with
with this. So a skeptic might say, look, I'm not saying,
you know, people are having these contact experiences are no,
you know, uber crazy, but maybe they do just need help.
(36:52):
Maybe they just need to talk to a regular psychologist
and that would be enough. And I can I can
understand and that to a degree. That and the problem
with that is that it's kind of like saying that
if if you intake someone's report, if you're there to
(37:14):
listen to them, you're almost only reaffirming their fantasy, right,
So like from a psychologist's point of view, that would
be a bad thing to reaffirm a fantasy. And but
I don't and I understand that. On the one hand,
I do, because there certainly are that, you know, the
(37:36):
occasional person where they are unwell. But the problem with
that argument as a blanket argument, it's almost it's it's
almost like a an ad hominem, but it's like a
guilty argument because it's it's like saying, if you do
anything other than this approach, then you are potentially harming
(38:03):
or or not doing well. You know, by people are
coming and sharing these experiences, how would you, you know,
being an experiencer and having experience helping people, how would
you respond to that if you were in a healthy
conversation with a skeptic.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Oh my god? That because people like that are so
stuck in their ways, you know what I mean, people
like that are really said in their ways and they
really don't and they're the professional in that situation too,
and you're the money. So it's like, you know, are
they really going to even give you the time of
day and to listen to what you have to say
and you actually take it in and listen. You know. See,
(38:44):
A really good thing that's starting to happen is I'm
seeing therapists and individuals with licenses to help people like
that are starting to slowly open UFO textbooks and looking
at the data and the experience or phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
So if I had to give any advice on that,
I would say, you know, look for somebody that's like that,
that has an open mind, and I had an individual
that I interviewed on my podcast on season one. His
name was Eric Schlummer, and he is a psychologist and
he's into the UFO phenomenon and he actually started bringing
in experiencers and that he has as clients, you know
(39:25):
what I mean. And he's open to this whole subject.
So I think that would be somebody that you would
want to go to that would be open minded enough
to speak to about what happened to you, you know
what I mean, that's the person that I would want
to speak to. If you're not even open minded to
the possibility that would happened to me happened, then I
really I don't think it's even beneficial, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Definitely it's not worth worth the argument.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, right right, because I really don't think that they
would even they would even even if I told them
and went to them with every little bit of data,
you know what I mean and evidence? Mm hmm, would
they consider that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Then what's the point?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, yeah, of course it is still I would say
that's true. It's still typical. But yes, like you said,
there's also exceptions. These days, more more than in the past,
are you still hearing accounts modern accounts of alien alleged implants,
(40:34):
because I remember in like the nineties early two thousands,
doctor Roger Lear, that was a big thing, and that
was it was like a thing. I mean, I mean,
it was, you know, video recorded these removals of implants,
and they're really you know, detail oriented. Yeah, studies the.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Great book by the way, Roger Lear's implants. That book
is absolutely phenomen right.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
And but since there's really there's no one else, I
don't think that's that's leading in the way that he is.
And I wonder, are are we having less people who
are reporting implants?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I mean I think so. I mean I haven't had
an implant report. I don't think since I started. I've
had people say that they think that they have had implants,
and I've tried to help them collect the data to
find that they have because we know, like the MF readers,
you can you know, most of the time implants do
give off a signal. But we've learned that through Roger Lear.
(41:38):
He used the readers in different devices to get these signals.
So a lot of times you think you have one
a MF reader or or a stub finder or things
like that can help you detect them, you know, but
I never the experience, never went that far enough to
be able to figure out if they did or not
didn't get the reader. So but I don't. I don't
have anybody reporting definite implants and evidence of it. I
(42:01):
haven't had that since I started with move On, and
I started in twenty nineteen. I mean, that's you know,
it's a long time. Yeah, you would think I would
come across it by now, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
You would think so, And I just don't hear a
lot about it. Especially in the age of social media.
You would think it would be more prolific that that
shared information because you wouldn't have to rely on a
show like I don't know, any ancient aliens or sightings
or a documentary of some sort. It could just be
out there, you know, listening to coast to coast, you know.
(42:33):
Over the years, I felt like there's a slowdown of
you know, reports about implants as well. And there used
to be some really strange properties to these things, like
like you said, it would react maybe to like an
EMF signal, or it would move like apparently I remember
(42:55):
seeing video. It's been a while where it looks like
the metallic little to kind of like moves a little
bit in reaction.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah. Roger Lear talks about it in the book. He says,
if you could actually move it under the skin right
con where I went.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, Yeah, And then also reports of it kind of
almost just upon observation or an attempt to remove it
would kind of it dissolve into the body, which is
really bizarre.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yep, it would take itself in arrow deeper. Yeah, It's crazy,
it really is. And it makes you think that if
we're not getting we're not getting reports of objects like
that anymore, implanets have they have they upgraded to something new?
You know what I mean too, we know to something
(43:52):
different that we're not seeing them.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, Okay, So I think that this may be one
of those clues that could lead us somewhere to understanding
what a change of behavior or new approaches, because just
like I believe we're having less close encounters with UFO
(44:16):
craft where we have far fewer large scale sightings like
the Phoenix lights and It's Stephenville in two thousand and eight,
I believe because of our technology advancing, you know, because
because we have cell phones and cameras on every building, everywhere.
(44:38):
We have more tons of satellites now in the sky
and there's a proliferation of detection devices of all sorts.
And because of that, I do think that they've almost
kind of stepped back and they're keeping their distance and
you know, lessening their chances of being caught on camera
and what have you. And Okay, so if that's true,
(45:00):
you know, it's an assumption, but if that's true, then
maybe we're seeing the same thing with the implant. Maybe
they're not doing implants because maybe our medical technology or
other technologies for detecting this have increased, or perhaps because
we all have cell phones in our pockets and maybe
the cell phone signal would somehow interfere or react with
(45:26):
the implant.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, mhm, absolutely, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, something exactly. Yeah, And I hope that like we
can get to a point where we see more of
these these possible presumed patterns and make something of it.
And I'm really excited about, you know, what AI can
do because you know, move On is a volunteer organization
and there's only so much you know, money there to
(45:56):
put into you know, developing software and how hiring people
to run programs. So in the affordability of AI could
really make a big difference. Here. Here's another question, though,
you know, this is just a speculative one for you.
If AI, you know, does eventually become I don't want
(46:19):
to use the word singularity, that seems a bit overblown
or overuse. But if it does come into its own
consciousness the first one, does that present a problem? Do
you think with our continued ah search for or possible
(46:40):
interaction with, you know, non human intelligence, I.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Would see, I don't know. AI scares me a lot, really,
does you know what I mean? Yeah, that frightens me
a lot. And when you hear people like Stephen Hall
and Elon Muss talk about it and warn us about it,
you know what I mean, It's like those are the
people if anybody knew, they would know, you know what
(47:07):
I mean, smart as some of the smartest people in
the world. And it's like if they got if AI
got to that point where they were kind of thinking
for themselves and doing that kind of thing, I don't
think we would even have a place in making contact
anymore anyway, because they would find they would they would
(47:28):
probably think that they'd be better at initiating that contact
and probably more civil and than than humans would be,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, that's what I was curious though, I think they would,
would they interfere.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Right right? I don't know, I don't think. I think
I think if anything, they would take over that that
role of making that contact rather than letting us try
to do it, especially because there's no one leader here
on Earth, you know what I mean. AI would would
would coincide with each other and there would only be
(48:04):
one you know what I mean. They kind of work
as one, So I think they would take that over
rather than have us try to make contact and then
have like the United States trying to talk to him
and Russia trying to talk to them China. Because would
we come together as a people to like have the
world you know, NATO or somebody like that speak for
the entire world. Are we capable of doing that as
(48:26):
as a human news, you know what I mean? Where
AI would probably be a lot safer and more more.
I don't know, we're better at doing that in a sense,
you know what I mean, then we would I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah, they actually might be a great interpreter for an
alien species that is, right, more advanced than us. Sentient
maybe similar in many ways, but maybe also different if
you'd like it, something like like trying to commune with dolphins.
(49:02):
They're clearly sentient. There's seem to be totally self.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think of I think of human flaws when we
talk about this, you know what I mean, That's what
I think of the flaws of a human being. And
that's why we're not the ones that that would be
good to speak with them for the first time, making
that misery that contact, you know, with A I think, Okay,
well maybe they're all going to try to keep it
for themselves and then they're going to start war over it,
(49:28):
you know what I mean. That's that's how I think.
And I think AI would definitely cut us out of
the picture if it got to that point, you know
what I mean. I mean, look what's going on right
now with israelal and that's that's what humans do. They're fighting.
I mean, we're a war, a war consuming people.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, but you know that's that's where that brings up
the whole the whole thing about AI being it's modeled
off of humans right right. Everything that it is or
can become is drawn from human knowledge and emotion and behaviors.
(50:13):
So I'm not saying that it would have emotion like
like us. But we don't know how that modeling will
affect a fully conscious AI, and it maybe it just
decides that all of that is BS and I'm just
going to be purely logical. On the other hand, you
(50:35):
might have differing AI because I know what you're thinking.
You were thinking about, like AI would almost seem to
all AI would merge because it would be on the
same level. But because you actually have different companies in
different countries developing AI, if the first AI doesn't kind
(50:56):
of take over everything, you know, you know what if
you get uh, separate AIS come coming into consciousness, self consciousness,
self awareness and they disagree with and they I've.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Never even thought about that before, you know what I mean. Yeah,
that's yeah, that would be that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
And that and that could be I hate to be
so so dire, but you know that that could be
a apocalyptic especially because you know, everything AI is is
because of human beings. We just don't know how that
they they would behave amongst themselves.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, that's very true. Would there be good, would there
be bad? A mix of it?
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Right? Absolutely? Right? Yeah, Yeah, that's like a whole other
rabbit hole you got me thinking about.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Now, well, you know, I think it is just before Yeah, well, well,
when it comes to et contact, you do have experiencers
who come away and they're like, this being seemed like
a biological thing. It seemed a little more emotive, you know,
(52:21):
naturally emotive. And then this you know, small small gray
seemed like ant like or more robotic like. And I
think that it only makes sense that it's significantly advanced
species would also develop computers and AI and other forms
(52:45):
of consciousness. And that's probably what we're seeing there, and
that might and I do wonder if that explains the
smaller percentage. I think it's something like, I don't know,
like it ranges from like ten, you know, to fifteen
twenty percent of people who report having bad experiences in
(53:07):
you know, in contact experiences, and that percentage will shrink
a little bit over time the way they when they
reconsider you know, their whole experience. But the initial experience
can oftentimes seem very kind of cold, you know, like
(53:28):
a very lab rat like, And that to me sounds
like maybe that's what we're seeing, is the extraterrestrials version
of AI kind of going out there and doing work
on their behalf. If we were to build it's like us,
if we build a robot right to work in our homes,
there would be like that little bit of a fear
(53:49):
that they might do something that. It's not amoral to them.
It's just a behavior that's a little bit off from
their programming, but they don't have the the human consciousness
to kind of check itself.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Right, m robots and the one they're all red, and
the one turns blue when he fights against the red
ones kind of took over.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
It's not not I robot, right, That was with Will Smith.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, yeah, I robe that it yeah robot.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, Oh, because it's it's eyes turn blue. Is that
what it was?
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah? His head turns blue, the color of his head.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Oh okay, okay, And.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
All the other ones are red, and he's kind of
different from them all. He learns how to how humans think,
and he learns to have like human traits, and it
helps them fight against that, you know what I mean?
See all of our all of our movies where AI
kind of takes over, you know, like Terminator I robot
for example. It's it's one AI versus the world, you
know what I mean, And that's how I've always thought
of it. But when you bring out thinking about different
(54:57):
AIS from different areas and that being different, like I
really never even thought of that possibility before, you know
what I mean. So to think about that, I mean,
I think, I guess it could could happen that way,
you know what I mean, especially having different countries with
different AIS. You know, I guess there is a really
good possibility of that.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Well, I think there's also the assumption that AI would
be emotionless and hive like, right, like an ant colony.
They would just kind of conjoin together. But you know,
look at like a B colony, right, M bees actually
kind of have a personality, like the even individual bees,
(55:37):
so you know, the people, and that's perfect an example
terminator I robot. Well, yeah, the general consensus view is
there would be this hive like merging of AI sentience,
but still the exception, you know, right, Arnold Schwarzenegger being
(55:59):
the exception in t to the robot program. Right, And
so is that just wishful thinking, I wonder or is
that something sort of intuitive that I I mean that.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Has it would have to be that way, right, because
it would be like putting a virus into that that AI.
You know what I mean. Any virus can change an
AI right, well, way you put a virus in a
change mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Okay, So and we won't we won't jump into quantum
AI because that's like way above possibly possibly even conceived
of right now. But yeah, Jesse, thanks so much for
for hanging out tonight. I really I really enjoyed. It's
gonna talk to you as always.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I appreciate it, man, Yeah, I was happy to come
on and talk. Man. It's been a while, so I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, we've got to catch up. We missed each other
because not neither of us went to Pine Bush this year.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
So I'm definitely going. I'm making it a making a
plan to definitely go next year because it's been two
years now signing go. Yeah it was going every year,
but it was like different things going on. So I'm
making it a definite plan next year ago.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
And there's also the Carbon Daien Festival as well. That's
a new festival that launched. Yeah, I launched it. I
launched it. It launched last November for its first event
for First Fair, and I spoke there, which was which
(57:35):
was fun and it was a it was a carbon
or carbondal p A. Yeah, it's they call it the
Carbon Dalien Festival.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Really, I'm gonna have to look at that.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, I was looking at we can meet up there
at some point.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, absolutely, I was looking at the Kexsburgh Festival. Kexsburgh.
U both.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
Oh, that's that's way too far from Yeah, I mean
that's far from you.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I didn't look at how far it was. I seen.
It was like, oh my god, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Isn't it. It's like it's almost towards Pittsburgh. I feel
like it's pretty far out there.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Okay, yeah, but it's far Yeah, okay, But if you.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Can leave us with if you can leave us with
one thought anything at all, Jesse, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (58:34):
My biggest thing that I've always you know, what we
spoke about it earlier, is to have an open mind
about things, especially this phenomenon. I mean, we know about
how many different rabbit holes there are, how many different
experiences there are. The possibilities are really endless, and I
think if you have to have an open mind about things,
and by having that open mind, you'll really you'll really
(58:57):
advance in this field and really understand it, better understanding
about it, have more connection with people, and just just
a better overall thought process of the phenomena. So definitely.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
All right. Cool, Well, let's keep an open mind and
happy fourth of July, Happy Independence Day. I hope you
have a great weekend, my friend.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yes, thank you. Happy for ever anybody has a good
weekend and enjoys it with their family. And thanks again
for having me on.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
And I appreciate it man, absolutely, and thank you for
your service regarding this holiday as well. I really appreciate you, man,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Okay, brother, all right, well, good night and thanks Jesse,
and thank you everybody for joining in the chat. I
appreciate you your questions and comments. This has been a
nice kind of fireside chat tonight with with Jesse Peak.
So please go check out his podcast, UFO Encounters Worldwide.
Great interviewer, really knowledgeable ufologist as well. This podcast is
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Season Two Out Now! Law & Order: Criminal Justice System tells the real stories behind the landmark cases that have shaped how the most dangerous and influential criminals in America are prosecuted. In its second season, the series tackles the threat of terrorism in the United States. From the rise of extremist political groups in the 60s to domestic lone wolves in the modern day, we explore how organizations like the FBI and Joint Terrorism Take Force have evolved to fight back against a multitude of terrorist threats.
Dateline NBC
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