February 7, 2025 • 65 mins
Joining me is Marc D’Antonio to discuss recent UAP reveals, actual UFO investigative work, and the science that surrounds it all. Marc has a degree in Astronomy and is the Mutual UFO Network’s (MUFON) Chief Photo/Video Analyst. He is CEO of FX Models, a model making and special effects company specializing in digital/physical models, and organic special effects in the film industry. He has done extensive work in the Film and Television Arena appearing regularly on a number of networks.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
However you are, and whenever you are, welcome back. Good
souls to Coffee and UFOs. Cheers to you all. I
hope you've got a good brew with you tonight. We've
got a great guest with us tonight, Mark d Antonio.
He is Moufon's photo chief photo video analyst, and he's
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been on the podcast in.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
The past, and I absolutely love Mark.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
He is one of the best communicators of science and
of the UFO UAP phenomena, so I'm sure you will
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Speaker 1 (01:48):
My posts on you know, one or two of those platforms,
but it's hard because everyone's kind of spread out now,
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I should post updates and show descriptions for you guys.
I've got some other stuff I'm working out myself and
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I can't wait to share with you. Still, you know,
taking away at it, but we're getting there and then
I'll be able to post more on social media, but
really cool stuff, and especially if you have a little
bit of an ir towards the bunkers, I think you'll
appreciate where I'm going. All right, let's bring on our
special guest, Mark d'An antonio.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Mark, Welcome back, brother, How are you Ellen?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
How are you man? It's good to see it.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, good, good to see you. Thank you so much
for coming back. It's been a long time.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, but can't wait it. I mean I had people
they called me the other day and said, you gotta
be on coffee and UFOs. Yeah, that's awesome because you announced.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well that's hopeful you are. That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, No, that's cool, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That's so Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And I know you've got a lot going on and
what we'll jump into that because I'm sure you'd love
to share about your astronomical work in the telescope and
you're out there in the Midwest right now, but really
quick for those who may not be too familiar with you.
Mark de Antonio is the Mutual UFO's chief photo video Analysis.
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He is also CEO of FX Models, a model making
and special effects company specializing in digital, physical models and
organic special effects in the film industry. He has done
extensive work in the film and television arena, appearing regularly
on regularly on a number of networks. His efforts creating
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UFO Talk two, a remote UFO detection system with Duncas Trumbull,
promises to bring euthology into the twenty first century. And
he's been on just numerous television programs. So what's the
latest with your with your astronomical work.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh? Thanks Al. You know, first of all, the uphotogic
system that's sort of ground to a halt because Doug
Trumble passed away. Oh it's not uneespecially, but Aviy Lobe
is continuing some of that work, and he's he has
the Galileo project, which is sort of in a similar
vein that like we were doing. And I've done a
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presentation to the Galileo team and so forth. And because
of my remote observatory experience, I'm pretty sure that they
they've made it pretty clear that when they start to
do the deployments of these telescopes are building, that they're
gonna have me commit and help with that because I'm
all for it. I think it's a it's a great,
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great thing to use science to try and detect high
technology and use in our skies over our head. You know.
But I'm in Bence and Arizona tomorrow. But I'm in
Mesa right now at the headquarters for Skythoer live stream.
Skytour is our you know, basically, we say it's the
universe live in real time we basically provide a live
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stream of the universe, and we you know, as an astronomer,
I show people what we're looking at. I talk about it,
tell them what we're doing. I give them an education
about what we're looking at, and then get questions. And
so you know, during lunar eclipses, we've had upwards of
five thousand people watching at the same time. You know,
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not not a huge amount when it comes to like
a rocket lodge or something, but that's good for us.
And then you know, we capture some really cool things. Now,
we're putting a new telescope in a second observatory tomorrow
and it's out in the on the back here, and
I gave you a preview before going.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
On the air, behind the scenes. Look, I get it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, And we're right now. I have it trained on
the Moon and there's gonna do some people coming over
here after we're done, and we're gonna do a little
kind of a SkyWatch type thing with this new telescope
which is sitting out there, and it's in fine testing.
That's this final test tonight, and then tomorrow we pack
it up and drive it down to Benson, Arizona, and
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we're gonna deploy it in a building on a mountaintop
where there's ten observatories, okay, and they're numbered zero through nine,
And we're getting building zero, okay, And all the rest
of the buildings are occupied by other professional astronomers. So
I will be in good company and it's going to
be kind of cool. But I'm not going to be
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in that building. As most people know, I live in
Connecticut on the other side of the country, and that's
twenty six hundred miles away, and I run it. I
run both observatories coming up. I run the current one
out in the Sonoran Desert here I went to southwest
of Wickenberg. I run that one from Connecticut remotely, and
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we're going to run the second one from Connecticut remotely
as well. And we can run it from anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And that's the greatest thing about modern technology, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah? I mean, I mean, I guess you probably could
have done it fifteen years ago, but have been a
really expensive.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, it would have taken a lot of money and a
lot of time, a lot of new technologies. I can't
say that this was easy, because it wasn't. I spent
a year working on getting the first telescope up and
running and I had it running on my front lawn.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
First.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I had this gigantic dome on my front lawn in
my house.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I remember you posting those images.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So anyone listening, I would definitely go to Facebook and
you can follow Mark. There is the Sky to a
radio Facebook page?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is that the page?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Oh yeah, there's the Sky through a live stream Facebook page.
But our portal of everyone can see some of our
history and see the links to the latest and go
see all the greatest stuff because we don't give it away.
We give it away all the images we take.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You do.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's amazing and it's gorgeous and just a revsolution that
you showed me before.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The moon was beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, so I want to ask you about this. We'll
get more into the UFOs and EAP thing, but have
you heard about the asteroid twenty twenty four hy R
that they're now saying has a one chance of nicking
the Earth and one and forty three chance and nicking
the Earth in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, it's a one point two percent chance, okay, okay,
And so that means ninety nine percent that it will miss.
And we've had other typical things. Now, this asteroid is
manywhere from thirty to about one hundred feet across. It's
really not that big, but it's nothing that would make
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an extinction event on the planet. But it would reach
the ground if it were to strike the Earth. Pieces
of it would reach the ground and cause a localized
disaster in that in that area.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
But so just for the layperson like myself, I hear
one in forty three. That sounds just way too high
to not be concerned.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well, yeah, I don't. I didn't hear the number one
in forty three. I think that. Yeah, one in forty
three is you know, it's it's that's that's not one
point two percent.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's much higher, right, So but let's just say it
is one point two percent, and wherever this article maybe
you've got it wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, that's a lot, right, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Point two percent. Yeah, I mean, for instance, you know Apopus,
which is another asteroid that is gonna breeze by us
in twenty about next year. Okay, so twenty twenty six,
I think I forgot, but Apopus is gonna you know,
it was rumored to be one of these ones that
was gonna kill us. It was gonna it was gonna
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race into the Earth and destroy all life on Earth.
Oh Heaven's okay, that's that's a bad thing. Of course. However,
upon the refinement of the office orbit, we discovered we
discovered that this asteroid was not going to hit the
Earth at all. Now, it was going to be closer
to the Earth than other asteroids had been, but it's
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not going to hit the Earth. We can get that
pretty accurately because in our telescope with skyto livestream, we've
actually followed asteroids right across the sky dynamically that were
passing between the Earth and the Moon. Okay, they passed
through Earth's orbit. They passed right through the space between
the Earth and the Moon.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And with that.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Telescope you can you can literally watch moving this fast
on the screen. And that's an asteroid about forty feet across,
passing between the Earth and the Moon. You know. So
people say that's close, Well yeah, if you if you
look at it from that perspective, that's that's really close.
But the question is why did we see it before?
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The answer is because it's so small. Okay, if it
was a mass of asteroid, we would have seen it
for a long time ago. If it was, if it
was a size of say a quarter.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Mile or half like an Armageddon movie style.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, we would have seen it years ago, we know,
you know, we don't haven't seen it though.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Do you think that getting the hype up for fear
of these things is kind of like trying to get
funding for someone's pet project, the anti asteroid project at
some university or.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
You know that they do that. Yeah, yeah, they do. Yeah,
but I don't think in this case it is because
this asteroid is actually going to be close. But no, cigar,
it's not going to hit us, you know. Okay, the
the orbital elements have fleshed out to the point where
they can actually see that it's going to miss the Earth.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Will you be able to track this when that time comes?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
If it did northern hemisphere and in the night type
sky yet?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Very cool?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, ok, But if it's not, we won't mhm.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
What we can do right now is we can talk
about the Jack Berber uh Barbara Jake Barber interview on
Ross Coldheart's UH series.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And the egg Shaped uf oh.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Which is a really fascinating video that many of us
have seen at this point. And you said that you've
done some work on it, some analysis.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah. Our photo analysis team on with the mutual UFO
network consists of six people, and uh we're we work
in a vacuum when it comes to these things. We
don't collaborate. We do our own independent analyses. And uh
so between five or six, I can't remember exactly how
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many of them weighed in. I think we got six
people that waited in this time on our team, and
of the people that weighed in, six out of six
said that they felt it was a hoax, and that
included me. Now there's a lot of reasons for that. Yeah,
And I can go through a number of the reasons
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with you and tell you. Now, first of all, let's
look at the video just as it comes in. It's
an egg shaped UFO object UAP wrapped in what looks
like a net, a cargo net, all right. Now, this
object and the cargo net is also being suspended by
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a helicopter from a cable. Now, when I first looked
at this video, I, because of my rather good understanding
of night vision equipment and other things, I looked at
this video and said, that's not real night vision.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
It's a different kind of green. Right.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Well, even even even if let's say it wasn't, the
contrast and the appearance on the ground was too stark
between the shaded area. Just see how Yeah, the areas
of dark and light are across the ground there.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I say, I always thought that maybe that was
like a low pixelation issue.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, let's let's let's even if it was. Okay, look
at the shadow. The shadow is a low pixelation. You
can actually see that the shadow is a rather sharp
edged shadow. Now, the question is if this was being
dropped down, there's several things wrong with this picture, and
if you can just leave it up here, this is good. Sure, Okay.
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The idea is that we're looking from a downlooking camera
on the helicopter, and you see the cable right there
in the bottom. Yeah, okay, Well, first of all, that's
not where a downward looking camera would be located on
a helicopter, and the reason is because the cable being
so close to the cable, it would block a lot
of what's going on and the camera would not have
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visibility of all of the scenes. So the cameras would
be further away. Okay. Number one. Number two, you can
hear sound you hear the sound to the helicopter. Yeah, well,
these technical cameras don't have sound. They're just visual cameras,
only they don't have any kind of sound. If you
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can imagine, those cameras would pick up lots of sound,
lots of wind, lots of running, and if it was
a helicopter, be going to be the constant din of noises.
So that was, in my view, something that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Was very Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So so you you were able to get get something
out of the audio from that.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah. The audio was the fact that the audio was
there at all.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
These cameras like this don't have audio. Now, look at
that green They noticed that sharp contrast in there. Okay,
in the sharp shadow. Okay, where's the personnel? Why is
it being dropped at the base? Why is it being
dropped in a quote unquote field?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay, there are a lot of questions about that.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah. Sure, And so I figured, okay, well, let's say
there was a search light out just outside the view, right,
and it was creating this start and this stark shadow
on this thing. Well, if you look at the object
and you look at the shadow, the shadow has a
certain length. The length of the shadow is directly proportional
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to the height of the object and the height of
the light that's aiming at it. Yes, so we know
the size of the object roughly, okay, And the shadow
length kind of gives away the fact that the light
was rather high in the air and not moving looking
at this thing, because it's not at the height of
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the helicopter, but it's lower than the height of the
so called helicopter, and it's on an angle that puts
the light probably thirty or so or thirty five degrees
off the ground from the position of this egg. Okay.
So what this told me was to see there's a
massive search light tower in the middle of the field,
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which makes no sense, or it's not really a searchlight.
Maybe it's the sun and this was filmed outside, and
this is just a night vision filter, which would make
sense because that green, that green color is so stark
contrast in the darks. You wouldn't expect that.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
You know, now, now, would this be a reason to.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Use a night filter to obfuscate its origin or to
kind of hide, like if they're afraid of revealing something
else about the video because they're they're not supposed.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
To release it or.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Do you seem like maybe there's a legit motive there.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Not really, because you can see a lot of detail
in the image. In the image anyway, you can see
a lots of detail and it surrounding terrain, and whether
it was day or night. Okay, does it matter, you
know to me? And the other thing you have to
wonder is, okay, they're lowering this down in the field.
Where's all the personnel. Why is in the field and
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not on a military base? What's going on here? That
doesn't make any sense at all. So none, none of
the givens of this make any sense to me. And
so I wrote all that stuff down, okay, And you know,
Dennis for a move and other folks on our team,
Seth Einstein on my team, they all looked at this
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and they did their own independent analysis, which I insist on, okay,
and they all came up with the fact that all
these things I just told you, many of them mentioned
those things and said we believe it's a hoax. And
I said, yeah, it's interesting because so did I. And
Bob Spearing had moved on, you know, took all of
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our reports and he basically really saw that the consensus
was it was a hoax. Then something came out that said,
oh wait, this was just a recreation of the event.
Wait a minute, this was being passed off as the event.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well, okay, so the initial interview, they actually didn't make
any claim to the video, right, They just kind of
played it like b roll right. And then ross coltheart
had kind of commented on the egg shaped craft, but
there was no providence given at all.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, but it ended up being allowed to become the event.
And this object was a hoax event. So that means
that this event has no more standing than someone else
who comes along and says, hey, look what I saw.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay, So but if we're given a source for this,
would that help or do do you think? Because what
would be the reason to stage such a thing?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I wonder, Oh, well, there's a million reasons to do that.
I mean, we can talk about the government planting misinformation,
but that's not what this is.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I don't think it doesn't feel like misinformation.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We can also, you know, we could talk about people
who want to get a lucrative contracts and that has happened. Okay,
but I don't know what this is here for this
guy and I don't even know who Jake Barbara is
to be honest and uh for for the people that
have actually seen UAPs. It's interesting that when we looked
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at this, uh, several of the investigators actually calculated the
proportions of the egg and found that it was actually
the exact proportions of a chicken egg. No, which is
kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But look, I will I will give it this. It's
it's I don't think it's a balloon.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
A bunch of other people have noticed that it doesn't
really like compress when it hits the ground. The string
wrapping around it doesn't, you know, push in on the
balloon material.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
So it's something hard for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It has to be something heavy so that they could
if they want to proptate a hoax, they're gonna put
something heavy there, right, And they could have sculpted it
out of the platster for all we know, and then
you know, she'll acted and shined it up or done it.
It could be some other type of no object, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So what have you heard from of where it's coming.
It's come from the video.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I just heard that this was something that Roscoltar put
on the show, and that Jake Barbara was a so
called whistleblower. I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So there's still no additional information as to the provenance
of the video.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Not at all, you know, not as far as I
can tell them, as far as I know. After I
saw this video and realized what it was, and our
team decided it was a hoax, we just said it
on the side instead. If more comes out, we'll look
at it, but for now, we're going to call it
a hoax because that's what we think it is. Well,
and I know, I know it's not not good for
the show. I realized them.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So no, but I'm surprised it's not in the gray basket.
But that you're you're you're settling on hooks for now.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, But you know what the thing is, all right,
I learned a long time ago that we really can't
be arrogant about this, right.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We have to.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
We have to allow for other possibilities that we ourselves
may not believe at the time. So right now, although
I think it's a hoax, I have put it aside
and set it aside so that if more information comes
forward or some add on to the video comes forward,
we'll be able to reinvestigate. Because I'm always willing to
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this because I do believe that there's alien life here
that's found US. I mean from a scientific point of view,
as a science guy. I'll tell you right now, I
think there they are here. I've had as I can't explain.
In fact, one of the experiences I had might bring
me to Congress and testify to Congress too. I found out, okay,
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a couple of weeks ago that my name is being
bandied around as someone to come testifying, and that has
to do with the USO the Unknown Submerged Object. I
was on a submarine as a guest decades ago, decades
and somebody came roaring through the sonar at several hundred
miles an hour underwater, and it made very little sound,
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but enough to be heard on the sonar, and it
was a very interesting trace that it left. It was
a it's called a TRANSI that came and it went,
and the kid on the sonar had no idea what
it was, and he had his hands out and he
told the executive officer say, I don't know what this is.
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I don't know what to say, sir. Yeah, And the
guy said, they log it and dog it and the
kids went yes, sir, sir, Yes, sir. I went back
to work, and you know me, I was a big
shot on the boat. I was invited to go on
this boat. I'm a big shot at Yeah, you know
where this is going. And I went up to the
XO and I said, Sir, I know these things might be.
Is there anything I can help you with? It's isd'
(24:17):
antonio correct sir, Yes, sir, you have any good trips
so far? Serious, sir, let's keep it that way. He
walked away.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So, yeah, that's a classic response to that sort of situation.
And that actually makes sense to me that if you're
going to do another hearing that they would focus on
US os.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, because that they're they're actually every navy's reported them.
It's not just the US and it's not.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Not just the Air Force.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, no, no, it's underbouter too. In fact, one of
my most popular lectures I talk about I've been doing
this all over the country is one about dimensional travel
and how using modern science we can explain how you
actually may be working. Yeah, and every observed characteristic of
a UFO in the sky can be explained by the
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use of this technology. And it's not a reach it's
not a stretch. It's almost too obvious as a.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Matter of fact. No, you know, and let me ask
you about this.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
We are all kind of the explanation subject I've read
this past summer, there was a paper that came out
scientists proposed that they think they have a natural explanation
for food fighters, you know what World War two pilots
were reporting, and and other pilots beyond that. We've heard
like oh maybe ball lightning in the past. But what
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they were saying is that there's there's actually a legit
phenomena where balls of plasma can be attracted to charged,
you know objects, So as the jet pilots move around,
the plasma balls actually would follow them and give the
appearance of like an intelligence.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
What you think, Okay, Well, first of all, we define plasma, okay.
Plasma is an atom that's had its electrons stripped off,
and not just protons, and it takes high temperatures to
get this ionization to occur, in high levels of radiation
to get these electrons to bounce off the atom and
leave the atom behind for a period of time. And
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when that happens, the remaining protons and the nucleus of
this atom are now rolling around out there, running around,
and that's plasma. That's what we define is plasma. That's
what we see when we look at the sun. Everything
you see in the sky about the Sun, the disc
of the Sun you see with dark sunglasses or whatever,
that is all plasma you're looking at. And in the
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core of the Sun, which is only about you know,
fifteen percent of the center of the mass of the
center of that size of the Sun in the sky,
that little fifteen percent, that's the only place for actual
fusion that makes the energy that we enjoy so much
actually occurs. The rest is just along for the ride.
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And it's because it's so hot. As that energy moves out,
it rips the electrons off of these atoms and it
makes now you're hot, really hot protons running around and
hot electrons running around, and that's plasma. So that's what
plasma is. So a plasma ball as a self cohesive
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object in the sky, well, there's there's definitely a scientific
basis for that. As you mentioned ball lightning, Okay, I
mean when I was a kid, I remember a story
my father told me about lightning coming through the keyhole
of the door and sputting around on the floor and
then going away. That may have been ball lightning. Okay,
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it left sinuous little tracks of burn. So it's very hot. Okay,
and it's charged, you're right, Okay, it's plus one charge.
That that's a bunch of hot protons, which or all
plus one charge. Okay, electrons minus one charge. When the
electrons are in the atom, there's no charge because they're.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Equal, So it's kind of like a hungry ball of light.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah. And if you have a negative charge, then plus
one charges will follow you. So if I mean, I'm
just offering this as a as a follow up, just
as I'm thinking, if you have an aircraft flying through
the sky and it's flying through moisture, whatever, moist air,
it's gonna end up generating a static charge. We've seen
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on airliners the greenish glow that surrounds the wings sometimes
and the pilots in the cockpit see these spider strands
coming up the windows, say doubles fire static discharge right, Well, okay,
that's charge, and that charge could attract other charges and
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maybe that could happen. So it's not a bad thought,
and I reserve I reserve the right to say that
this is a possibility, but I can't say it's the
only possibility. Yeah, food fighters might actually be UFOs too, but.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Or yeah, it might be both. You don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Both things can be true, right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Right exactly this technology that you're talking about, is this
a magnetic charge technology?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Actually this is very different that this is. This is
technology that has to do with generating certain types of particles.
And these certain types of particles are particles that were
found in the nineteen twenties, Okay, are theorized in the
nineteen twenties concern overseas. At the Large Headron Collider has
a detector called ATLAS that's all caps at La s okay,
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and Atlas detected these particles when it was running. So
it's not like these particles don't exist. They do. Now,
what's the Okay, what are the particles? Well, they're called
Calusik line particle k A l u z A Colusa
client K. Yeah. Clusive client particles are particles that, once generated,
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all right, have some rather peculiar potential characteristics among them.
They are they generate what are what we would call
gravitons in the in the theory, Now we know about
light being a wave and a particle, a photon and
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a wave, a wave and a foton of light. When
I was getting my degree in astronomy, I counted photons
on a photometer which detected light from a star, and
I used that to make determinations about the stars. Well,
the the uh, the particular particle we're talking about, right,
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is not like light. Apparently we only know we know
light has, like I said, a photon particle and a
wave nature. That's a dubal nature. Electrons are dual nature.
You can describe them with an equation. You can describe
them as a particle, an electron particle. Okay, but you
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can't describe gravity, can you. You can say gravity has
waves now, because we saw them ripples in space time.
Two black holes collide, sent out this ripple like in
a surface of a pond, but three dimensionally spherical in
all directions. Okay, that is a gravitational wave. So what's
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left is the gravitational particle, the graviton. That's the elusive
thing we haven't found yet. However, the calusive line particle
in the theory does exist as a particle of gravity
known as a graviton, and as a wave. But we
know gravity is a wave. Now, so maybe the clusiicline
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graviton exists, and if it does, it's about ten to
the sixteen times more powerful than the gravitons. Hold it
gets to our chairs right now? Okay, what does that
mean it now? First of all, when we talk about light,
we have to talk about dimensions. Light operates in our
four dimensions X, Y, and z moving through time. Okay,
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I'm here right now. If I move here, I'm at
a new X Y and Z coordinate at a slightly
later time. Okay. Everything we do has to do with
moving from one place an X y Z coordinate system
in time to a new place x y Z coordinate. Okay,
what if I told you that there was a fifth dimension.
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What if I told you that if you could pop
out of these four dimensions and go into the fifth dimension,
you could enter a place where the universe farthering you
go into that dimension, universe shrinks around you. This is
the construct known as Randall sundrum one, and it has
to do with string theory. So we have to prove
string theory on top of everything else.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Don't That's fine?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, So Randalls under one is a construct that allows
us to say, well, if we can move into this
fifth dimension, right, the universe is really really compact. The
farther we go, the smaller it gets. So if we
go in just a little bit and pop back out,
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we could go from this particular point to maybe this
particular point, and not that we traveled space in between.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
So you're doing this without the need of warping space
time exactly. That that is okay, I said, that's the
only other alternative I've ever heard of warping space time.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So this is new.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
It is, and it's actually you're gonna love this too,
because if you think about this, when you look at
how this would work. A UFO has to generate these
particles right now, the caluziicne gravitons, when they're generated, are
so powerfully also create micro black holes. The micro black
holes will do a couple of things. They'll eat a
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little bit of light, because it's supposed to be I
might be coming to your eyes. Otherwise, they'll eat a
little bit of the air, and they're gonna eat up
the gravitons that the Earth is producing. So what they're
gonna do by surrounding the UFO, they prevent earth gravity
from even reaching the UFO, which explains why ufo sometimes
look like fluttering leaves in the wind. Okay, because there's
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no up or down to them, and they can stop
on a dime. So that for a moment. Now, when
a UFO generates these particles. We also noticed something else,
and that is that the UFO may shimmer and change colors.
That's been reported, yes the cases. Well that's exactly what
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would happen theoretically if these micro black holes are eating
a little bit of the light that's supposed to be
coming to.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Your Oh wow, that's interesting, right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Now let's take it another step further. When you look
at the UFO, you see something in the sky, it's here,
Then all of a sudden advances and it's here. Yeah, okay,
Well we could say that's the autokinetic effect where your
eyes can't focus on a spot in the sky. And
as they said, two things can be true at one time.
But that could also be somebody popping out from here,
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going to the fifth dimension and appearing over here.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
See so well, and just in defense of the autokinetic yeah,
thing is that, Yes, that's a real phenomena, but that's
more about like when you stare at something and it
kind of just moves right, because because your eyes are
constantly adjusting, well.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It asks us to do with this. If you're looking
in the sky and you see a flash, Oh, there
was a flash right there, and you point to it. Yeah,
the next time you see it, you think it's over here, okay,
because your eyes are dancing around trying to.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Find trying to find it.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, because we didn't evolve the need to identify spots
in a blank sky right that are flashing, we develop
the need to look for pattern recognition in the dark,
looking for predators Okay, that we're trying to eat us
when we're evolving, So that was never needed. So our
brain's not good at that. So okay. That said, so
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there's a healthy supply of autokinetic problems out there. There's
a healthy supply of atmospheric scintillation changing the colors of
things near the horizon. What happens when you're looking at
something up in the sky and it seems to be
changing color, fading in and out on you, and then
disappearing in the peering over here. Now all those things
together are taken together, those we can't deny the possibility
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that we're looking at colusive line gravitons at play. Now
the final coupdi gras. All right, what do you need
to create? These colusive line gravitons? Need a particle accelerator?
Now we have one concern. It's twenty something miles around, right, Okay, well,
that's how big are accelerators have to be to generate
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these types of things. But advanced species, you might have
thought of a way to make the accelerators smaller. And
what shape of UFOs distant?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, you know why they're particle accelerators. That's why.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Okay, butts, does that explain the black triangles and these
other like cigar.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Shape, Yes, because you can put a circle nicely inside it.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Within that, within that triangle, it'll just be more compact.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
And Rodrigo and Comments made a really good point said, uh,
gravitational waves just like Lazar said, which which is interesting.
And you know, so if if I'm imagining kind of
bubb Lasar's description of a craft, right, but if you
have this within a craft, how do you then, like,
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what mechanisms would you would you use to navigate?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Ah? Glad you asked, because first of all, let's say
you had this craft. Okay, let's go to the energy source.
Then we'll get to navigation. What do you need to
generate these particles? You need a particle accelerator. What do
you need to power the accelerator? One heck of a
energy somehow, and guess what you could use to power it.
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The technology that looks like it may power such a
craft as a fusion reactor.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
But we're on the brink of doing ourselves on.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Once Livermore created a sustained reaction for the first time
a couple years ago, the Chinese just ran a fusion
reactor for over one hundred and eighteen seconds. Was it
something like that?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Did did they break the record?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yes, that's that's a record, And sustained reactions are how
this is going to work now, all right, So now
we know that all the things we see in the
sky that are being done by these odd things in
the sky could be CLUSI CLI graviton technologies. We also
know that they have to be generated by a particle accelerator,
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which explains why UFOs around the outer rings are the
particle accelerator and the inner core is where the occupants go. Yeah, okay,
they're safe in there. Now here's another thing, yet another
odd coincident.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
We're checking all the boxes to night.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
We have to. We have to because I'm not going
to let this go without checking all the boxes. If
anyone box fails.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Then the whole thing falls apart.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
We have to reconsider. But we've heard stories of people
touching UFOs and what happens when they touch them.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Electrical charge And you're right, uh, well, some people will
feel dizzy, what else I don't know?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Burns?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Oh sure, well if you're even just being close to
it without touching it. Yeah, so every thing about was
it Falcon Lake? I mean that's a yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
So dizzy, Okay, feeling nausea, burns. Guess what those are?
Symptoms of radiation? Are the symptoms of radiation poison?
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Name?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Now wait what radiation mark? What are you talking about? Well,
we have a small thirty foot roughly diameter UFO. Let's
suppose it's a particle accelerator. Let's suppose it's generating these
cozycline gravitons which come out and I'll talk about how
they get into the fifth dimension in a minute. But
let's suppose they generate these cozichline gravitons. Anytime you force
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charged particles into a circle, you're using bright, really highly
powerful magnetic fields. Aren't you cause them to go in
a circular path? Sure, they don't want to go in
a circular path. They fight it, and when they're fighting it,
they fight it by giving off radiation, synchrotron radiation, and
(40:52):
that synchrotron radiation is the thing that might be causing nausea,
might be causing dizziness, and we're definitely be causing radiation birds.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
So do we see that with our own generators?
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
What arencerned? Do we see this? Or?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Okay? Syretron radiation is in all the circular particle accelerators
and they have to manage it, have to manage it.
They're on the ground for a reason.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
So it's not the fusion, because the fusion should be clean, right.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, it's just that the generation of the particles. Yeah, okay,
forcing particles that are charged in a circular path using
strongly named fields will generate radially away from the path. Okay,
we'll generate in all directions synchrotron radiation. If you have
shielding in the cordership, you're fine. They're gonna be just.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Fine, would that be strong enough for say, something like
the cash Land room case in Texas?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Possibly, except that one might have been one of ours.
You know, that could have been like they got too
close to a nuclear plane or a nuclear helicopter.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I mean right, because I think there was something like
twenty feet away roughly, you know, the car was so hot,
you know.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
But yes, that could and we can't deny the possibility
that that could have been a cus A client encounter, Okay, okay,
or a circular you know, now we talked about this
fifth dimension. So now we know that everything we see
a UFO through can be explained using this CUSI client
phenomen Okay, we know that. You know we talked about
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you took on navigation. Now, so this is where we
come into this. Hey, these four dimensions we have X, Y,
and Z moving through time describe us on our planet,
everything we've ever done and never known, Every probe we've
ever sent out. We sent it from point day to
point B by passing through all the points between point
A and point B. But if you actually generate these
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cruzic cline gravitons, there's something we need to understand about gravity.
We don't know where the other end of gravity is effectively.
What that means is light starts and stops in our
four To shine a flashlight at the wall, it originates
in your flashlight, it ends at the wall. Okay, all right,
So in fact light it can be you know, stopped,
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It can be reflected or refracted. We can do all kinds of.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Things to it, and the same thing with all with
matter in general, or yes, yeah, can't do that with gravity.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Gravity is pervasive. It goes through every single structure we have.
You can't build a cube that you can go inside
and have anti gravity. Gravity goes through everything. So why
is that? It's because it may be the other end
of gravity may be in this fifth dimension. So when
we look for gravitons, one of the problems we have
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is we're looking in our four dimensions for gravitons. Right,
we can measure gravity in our four dimensions, but the
other end of gravity, the part that makes the loop okay,
that completes our understanding gravity, isn't in our four dimensions.
Potentially it might be in this fifth. Now that means
that we can calculate gravity, utilize it for our spacecraft,
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and you go all the way out of our solar
system with the voyagers get on Mars specifically means perfect placement. Okay,
send probes to Venus, the Parker probe around the Sun
perfectly placed. Okay. We can do all that because we
can calculate gravity. We can't reflect it, we can't bend it,
we can't harness it in any way except to utilize
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it because it's always there. So how can we actually
utilize it? We utilize it by understanding its nature. And
the nature of it means that we have to look
beyond their four dimensions, and that's where this fifth dimensional
construct in the string theory variation called Randall sunder one
which I mentioned comes into play. This fifth dimension is
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this is the place where the Caluzic line gravitons actually live. Okay,
I don't mean a lie the lie. They exist here,
so that means we can see them here. But to
understand the complete picture, we have to see them here.
We can't. So if we generate CLUSI clank gravitons around
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our ship here, because the other end of them exists
in this fifth dimension. M hm, your ship gets pulled
into the fifth dimension because you're surrounded by them. Now,
that is why when you look at a UFO, it
looks like it shimmers and disappears, and it's truly gone.
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It'll truly be gone because it's gone into the fifth dimension.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
It's almost like being pulled in like a tractor.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Beam, exactly it did. The eclusive clank. Gravitons exist in
this fifth dimension. That's where you're from. Okay, we generate
them here, we're pulling them from this fifth dimension, although
we don't know it. And so then they pull us
into the fifth dimension. And if you go in far enough,
and give you an example, you travel twelve inches outside,
you go through one through twelve inches of the measurement,
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and they're exactly tor menches you travel. Okay, we can
do that in our four dimensions. But in the fifth dimension, okay,
going just a little bit more, just a tiny's bin
in and you travel twelve inches in there. When you
come out that trap, that twelve inches won't have expanded
to maybe twenty four inches. Okay, because remember, the universe
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is more compressed inside. The farther than you go, the
more compressed.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Even though the universe is compressed, you are not like
physically compressed.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3 (46:28):
It is correct. Okay, that's correct, and there's another reason
for that, which you may have time to get there,
but that's okay.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Well yeah, I mean it just just want us to
turn into jam you know if we try to test
this pepology out.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah and yeah. Basically, the way it works is you
have to oscillate back and forth between the fourth dimension
and the fifth in order to stay intact. And that
has benefits. Wow, that has benefits. Well, look, your fusion
reactor just goes on autopilot, yeah, you know, and it
just continues to generate these particles, all right, goes in
and out of the fifth dimension, and then you could.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Okay, so let me let me ask you this, Uh,
if this is a thing, would a radar directed radar
beam affect this technology because we often suspect that maybe
in the forties especially, you know, these UFOs that were
crashed or taken down either by accident or purposefully, we're
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done so by you know, radar.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, we'll keep in mind, Yes, let's pursue that. Let's
keep in mind that let's say they're oscillating back and forth,
that means that they're neither here nor there for any
appreciable amount of time, but they are here for some
portion of time, and they're doing it fast. The frequency
you can barely see my finger, but it's still there,
except my fingers actually traveling from here through this space
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to get here. We're talking about something goes like this,
and that's going on and a tire.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Which which is is very common UFO citing description, and I.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Keep also in mind this this is something else that's
very important to understand. They don't have engines, they don't
need them. They just need particle accelerators and the ability
going to your navigation point to know where the entry
points are into our four dimensional space. This means that
an advanced species is very likely one of the greatest
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cartography you know, map makers, map makers in the whole universe,
because they have to know where everything is that they're
coming into. They don't want to materialize inside solid rock.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Okay, this is where a quantum computer would be really helpful.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
And they probably have that going on. So the point
is they can never I honestly, honestly believe this is
the only way they could be doing this.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
You know, they couldn't. It couldn't be through a.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Warp technology technology would work except for the fact that
it requires a metse amount of energy, right, Kubia drive. Okay,
the warp drive, if people call it, is the Alcubier drive.
Sure and meg look came up with it nineteen ninety forty.
We'll create this. This the ability to compress the universe
in front of us and lengthen the distance from our
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origin and where we are. And that made this weird
uh compression envelope that the ship doesn't feel because it's
inside a warp bubble. The problem with that, I know
it's it's not intuitive, trust me. But the problem with
it is that the al Kubier drive required so much energy.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I mean, like the Sun and energy right like well, well.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Almost like the energy equivalent of Jupiter converted to energy.
What does that mean if you take you take Einstein,
it's mass equivalence formula equals mc square. Okay, that's the
formula for objects traveling slower than the speed light. It's
actually a longer the equation that breaks down to equals
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mc squared at the end, which is kind of interesting
at speed of light. Then the empty square goes away
and you have this that planks constant times of frequency.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Anyway, Yeah, let's not get into planks.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
We're getting because planking is fun. But you just got
min and a half. So if you look at equals
mc squared the energy result you get in that from
that e right, that's almost a yeah, there's the look
at it. There's the okay, the the e here. Okay,
the energy is em C squared. So the mass of
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Jupiter is required times is speed the light square to
get the energy required to make one count them one
more bubble, all right. It's a colossally stupendous amount of
energy that is just not practical.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Especially if you're traveling from point A to point C
to point B. Then oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
And it is traveling from point A to point B
and traveling through every point in between. That's what it's doing,
ye know, effectively, But it's doing it in a way
that you're warping space and basically pulling it past you
as fast as you could muster with the bubble. Now
you've got to do it over and over and over
again until you get to your destination. And so whereas
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it's a and that's why even a Kubier himself said
it was a kind of a thought problem, and it
got it shelf. But then along comes Sunny White at
Eagle Works Laboratories some years later, and he caught on
to us, it's pretty cool, and he started looking at it,
and there's a torus around the ship that generates this
warp bubble. Well, he monkeyed with the dimensions and the
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geometry of the Taurus and he came up with a
new taurus. It required ten to twenty five times less
mass to actually accomplish the warp bubble. Yeah, and that
in practical terms, it turned out to be something along
the lines of the mass of the Voyager spacecraft. It
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could be used converted energy. Yeah, it's still less, but it's.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Colossal and maybe it's one more step along the way.
I have to ask you a question from Rodrigo regarding
your your theory. He said, does Mark think the Casmir
effect and the extraction of energy from the vacuum may
be a feasible source of energy in the future.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
It depends how much we can get out on Lego,
because right now there's not a lot of energy associated
with that effect. There's a lot of hardware associated with
fighting it and generating it, but there's not a lot
of results, not a return that's really feasible at the moment.
I think that there's a lot of things the universe
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throws at us that aren't going to be able to
be used, but our interesting discoveries. Nonetheless, Carl Sagen said
it best. You know, out there somewhere is something just
waiting to be known. I mean, I just love that.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Because you should do a book reading enough voice. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
I'll read my book of that. Yeah, yeah, I used
I used to Sega's quote in there. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
So I don't think that effecta rigo would actually be
very helpful at this point. And by the way, I
just got to correct you. It's not my theory. This,
this theory of closed client gravitons has been around for
a long time and a very good friend of mine,
Robert Schroeder, another guy you enjoying your program, Bob, came
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up with this idea and he reprised the clusive client
hypothesis and he added some meat to it. He wrote
a book called Solving the UFO Enigma. Okay, so now
the book may not be in print. He might have
one if you ask him, but he lives in Massachusetts.
A great guy. And when I heard his lecture on this,
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I thought, this is actually making some sense to me.
I read his book, and his book is for the
Fate of Art. Okay, it's not written for everyday people.
It's writ for physicists. It's written for astronomers and astrophysicists.
And so he uses a lot of equations and advanced
mathematics in it. But it's a short paperback. I mean,
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it's not that big and okay, but he does cover
the concept quite well, and I've talked to him substantially
about it. So he's the guy that got me going
on this, and then I've added to it with my
own examinations and experiences, and I think that it's really
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an amazing, amazing possibility.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Okay, let's continue with this line of questioning. Then, So,
when a ship travels minutes at nearly the speed of
light returns home, many years have passed for the observer.
Does that mean the observer sees the ship going at
conventional speed instead of blasting away.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Here's the way that works. Okay, great questions. By the way, Yeah,
I agree. If the ship is moving at light speed
and you're on the earth watching him go by, okay,
you're not going to see a ship traveling by unless
it's really really far out there and you actually can
see it moving through the sky at light speed. You
can't see light moving. It takes eight and a half
minutes for the light to get it from the Sun
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and just over a second to get it from the Moon.
So it's got to be really far away and be
really really bright for you to see it traveling. We've
seen light echoes in space that are, you know, thousands
and thousands of light years away. We actually watched the
expanding halo of light moving out from a supernova explosion. Okay,
if you were there, it would be moving really fast.
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So let's suppose you could somehow see the light moving. Okay,
if you looked at the guy looking out the windows
waving at you, you'd see this for your entire life.
He would be frozen.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
For podcasters, he has a hand frozen, unscreened.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Ye as, yeah, I'm looking at and it just freezes
my mo because to the observer, time has stopped for him. Okay,
for the for the guy going by in the rocket.
For the guy in the rocket, he's waving and you're
a sloan gone, and he might wave five times and
be at his next destination. Okay, like in four minutes
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to give me the Mars, you know, when Mars is
closest to us, and so in that regard, he could
wait for four minutes. But if he went, you know,
he's waving it four minutes. Sorry, he waves for that
four minutes. Four minutes. To him, he travels a much
much more higher distance, but for us it takes him
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four minutes to get there. This is again, this relativity
is really troublesome to make it as an intuitive thing.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Just yeah, but it's also isn't it just like amazing
and wondrous and fascinating.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, yes it is, it is. I'm telling you it's
really cool. All right.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
So last question of the evening from jingis would these
starships need some type of forward deflector to move those
pesky micro meteorites out of the way or would the
gravity bubble protect from these objects?
Speaker 3 (57:15):
Okay? In the al Kobya drive, yes, you were going
to get this build up of energy like bugs in
the windsield with Alcubia, okay, and you have to have
to have a way of shutting them away. And that's
why Migallo Cubia did work with Froning, who's a mathematician
or physicist, and they came up with the Froning al
(57:37):
Kubia variant. The Froning drive with Alcubia's concept actually wicks
off the energy kind of like shields from Star trek okay,
so that when you get to the destination and you
come out of that warp bubble, you don't have enough
energy literally to blow away the entire solar system that
you're in, because that's what would happen otherwise. Yeah, it
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could actually be an ultimate weapon. But the leg the
bottom line here is that if they use the other
technology where they're just punching out and punching it to
discrete coordinates, you don't have to worry about that, and
they could make ninety returns in the sky at high speed,
and inside their craft all they see is the scenery
changing outside the window. They feel nothing because to them
(58:23):
they're just disappearing from one coordinate and appearing at another
with a short stop at the fifth dimension.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Right, and I have one last question myself, so basically
my own personal zone. Well, yeah, and here's another thing.
This is actually more biological. So we discussed earlier how
a UFO. Right, it might appear here and then suddenly
appear here.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
Is it possible that two different people looking at that
same phenomena, one might actually see a streak and one
might see it kind of just disappear and reappear.
Speaker 3 (59:01):
For the observers and the Earth, this phenomenon is going
to be rather discreete. They're gonna see something shimmer and disappear,
and they'll both see exactly the same thing, but from
different perspectives.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
You know, Uh, this one over here might not see
the air that gets eaten by the micro black holes
as much as this one over here because of some
other phenomena.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Right, So it could it look still look a little
different from slightly Yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
I consider it could be slightly different. But the end
results are saying if there was something here and it
just went into the fifth dimension right here, it would
literally be gone and it would not be here. Yeah. Yeah. Now,
the last thing I'll mention, Yeah, I know we're getting
short in time. Sorry. The last thing I'll mention is
when you look at the possibility of usos unknown submers objects. Okay,
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you know, on the sub trip I had decades ago,
we saw day I was just the seasick guy in
the boat that was there for Thank you, Thank you
mister Navy for having me go along. That's fun. I
had being seasick when I was sitting in the sonar
room and when when the thing zoomed through the radar
radar sonar, the kid called there's a con that there
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was a fast mover, and they ex came over and
as I mentioned, they calculated the speed at several hundred
miles an hour underwater. Now, how can that be easily?
Because if they're going and doing this oscillation I told
you about your fifth dimension and our dimensions, they're coming
in like they're doing it. Think think, can you see
(01:00:35):
how my hands moving across my finger? That makes a line,
a logical line. So they're just popping in at the
next coordinate underwater into our instruments. It looks like a line.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
They might be going three feet or a foot or
eight inches they win a little bit into that fifth dimension. Yeah,
it's a lot. They they'll take right off.
Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
This hour went by crazy fast. I'm so happy to
have you on tonight, I really am. It's it's been
too long and I hope it's.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Good friend.
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Thank you, thank you same here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yeah, and you know, I know you're very busy, but
hopefully we'll have you back sooner next time. And for
everybody listening, I put Mark's Facebook skytward live stream with
Marcy Antono link in the chat and I'll add it
to the description later. Mark, if you can leave us
with just one thought, doesn't even have to be you
for related what would it be?
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I say this off at the people. You know, don't
forget to look up when you go out, okay, because
you could be the one to find it. Okay. There's
a lot of things out there, all right, and I
know that we're consumed with looking down at our phones
like we're doing right now, but take the time to
(01:01:57):
look up. That's what sky to is about. You know.
I created skypterlive dot org. It's a five or one
C three nonprofit. I did that because I wanted to
encourage people to looking up and enjoy the night with.
Some of your folks in the chat are members of
our skyper life. Ye yeah, yep, so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, thanks man, Yeah, thank you. You are the real Deale.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
And you know, obviously for mouf On, they are very
lucky to have you and you really are a great
representative for it, for Moufon and I'm honored to, you know,
to be along the ranks, lower ranks, but along the.
Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Ranks he's blowing smoking.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Heyah, absolutely all right, thanks, yeah, I we'll definitely have
to have Mark back again.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
And thank you everybody for your your questions tonight. I
really really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
You guys are so smart, and I I have to
say that these kind of conversations are really important. I know,
oftentimes we want to talk about just the most fantastical
stories and that's cool too, but having a deeper understanding,
scientific understanding of the phenomena, I think we'll get us
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Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
It's good to be an earthly I wish more of
us would think of ourselves that way.
Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I don't have a problem with skeptics. It's the bunkers
that are on some other level that I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Especially an inference of a change in local gravity. Saucer
shaped craft and they're hovering over the water.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
A Litle book Special Report fourteenth. The better the quality
of the sighting, the more likely to be unexplainable.
However you are, and whenever you are, welcome back. Good
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
The past, and I absolutely love Mark.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
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Speaker 1 (01:48):
My posts on you know, one or two of those platforms,
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so it's not like before where you know, you can
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I've got some other stuff I'm working out myself and
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I can't wait to share with you. Still, you know,
taking away at it, but we're getting there and then
I'll be able to post more on social media, but
really cool stuff, and especially if you have a little
bit of an ir towards the bunkers, I think you'll
appreciate where I'm going. All right, let's bring on our
special guest, Mark d'An antonio.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Mark, Welcome back, brother, How are you Ellen?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
How are you man? It's good to see it.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, good, good to see you. Thank you so much
for coming back. It's been a long time.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, but can't wait it. I mean I had people
they called me the other day and said, you gotta
be on coffee and UFOs. Yeah, that's awesome because you announced.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well that's hopeful you are. That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, No, that's cool, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That's so Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And I know you've got a lot going on and
what we'll jump into that because I'm sure you'd love
to share about your astronomical work in the telescope and
you're out there in the Midwest right now, but really
quick for those who may not be too familiar with you.
Mark de Antonio is the Mutual UFO's chief photo video Analysis.
(03:16):
He is also CEO of FX Models, a model making
and special effects company specializing in digital, physical models and
organic special effects in the film industry. He has done
extensive work in the film and television arena, appearing regularly
on regularly on a number of networks. His efforts creating
(03:37):
UFO Talk two, a remote UFO detection system with Duncas Trumbull,
promises to bring euthology into the twenty first century. And
he's been on just numerous television programs. So what's the
latest with your with your astronomical work.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh? Thanks Al. You know, first of all, the uphotogic
system that's sort of ground to a halt because Doug
Trumble passed away. Oh it's not uneespecially, but Aviy Lobe
is continuing some of that work, and he's he has
the Galileo project, which is sort of in a similar
vein that like we were doing. And I've done a
(04:12):
presentation to the Galileo team and so forth. And because
of my remote observatory experience, I'm pretty sure that they
they've made it pretty clear that when they start to
do the deployments of these telescopes are building, that they're
gonna have me commit and help with that because I'm
all for it. I think it's a it's a great,
(04:34):
great thing to use science to try and detect high
technology and use in our skies over our head. You know.
But I'm in Bence and Arizona tomorrow. But I'm in
Mesa right now at the headquarters for Skythoer live stream.
Skytour is our you know, basically, we say it's the
universe live in real time we basically provide a live
(04:58):
stream of the universe, and we you know, as an astronomer,
I show people what we're looking at. I talk about it,
tell them what we're doing. I give them an education
about what we're looking at, and then get questions. And
so you know, during lunar eclipses, we've had upwards of
five thousand people watching at the same time. You know,
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not not a huge amount when it comes to like
a rocket lodge or something, but that's good for us.
And then you know, we capture some really cool things. Now,
we're putting a new telescope in a second observatory tomorrow
and it's out in the on the back here, and
I gave you a preview before going.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
On the air, behind the scenes. Look, I get it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, And we're right now. I have it trained on
the Moon and there's gonna do some people coming over
here after we're done, and we're gonna do a little
kind of a SkyWatch type thing with this new telescope
which is sitting out there, and it's in fine testing.
That's this final test tonight, and then tomorrow we pack
it up and drive it down to Benson, Arizona, and
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we're gonna deploy it in a building on a mountaintop
where there's ten observatories, okay, and they're numbered zero through nine,
And we're getting building zero, okay, And all the rest
of the buildings are occupied by other professional astronomers. So
I will be in good company and it's going to
be kind of cool. But I'm not going to be
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in that building. As most people know, I live in
Connecticut on the other side of the country, and that's
twenty six hundred miles away, and I run it. I
run both observatories coming up. I run the current one
out in the Sonoran Desert here I went to southwest
of Wickenberg. I run that one from Connecticut remotely, and
(06:50):
we're going to run the second one from Connecticut remotely
as well. And we can run it from anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And that's the greatest thing about modern technology, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah? I mean, I mean, I guess you probably could
have done it fifteen years ago, but have been a
really expensive.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, it would have taken a lot of money and a
lot of time, a lot of new technologies. I can't
say that this was easy, because it wasn't. I spent
a year working on getting the first telescope up and
running and I had it running on my front lawn.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
First.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I had this gigantic dome on my front lawn in
my house.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I remember you posting those images.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So anyone listening, I would definitely go to Facebook and
you can follow Mark. There is the Sky to a
radio Facebook page?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is that the page?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Oh yeah, there's the Sky through a live stream Facebook page.
But our portal of everyone can see some of our
history and see the links to the latest and go
see all the greatest stuff because we don't give it away.
We give it away all the images we take.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You do.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's amazing and it's gorgeous and just a revsolution that
you showed me before.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The moon was beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, so I want to ask you about this. We'll
get more into the UFOs and EAP thing, but have
you heard about the asteroid twenty twenty four hy R
that they're now saying has a one chance of nicking
the Earth and one and forty three chance and nicking
the Earth in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, it's a one point two percent chance, okay, okay,
And so that means ninety nine percent that it will miss.
And we've had other typical things. Now, this asteroid is
manywhere from thirty to about one hundred feet across. It's
really not that big, but it's nothing that would make
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an extinction event on the planet. But it would reach
the ground if it were to strike the Earth. Pieces
of it would reach the ground and cause a localized
disaster in that in that area.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
But so just for the layperson like myself, I hear
one in forty three. That sounds just way too high
to not be concerned.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well, yeah, I don't. I didn't hear the number one
in forty three. I think that. Yeah, one in forty
three is you know, it's it's that's that's not one
point two percent.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's much higher, right, So but let's just say it
is one point two percent, and wherever this article maybe
you've got it wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, that's a lot, right, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Point two percent. Yeah, I mean, for instance, you know Apopus,
which is another asteroid that is gonna breeze by us
in twenty about next year. Okay, so twenty twenty six,
I think I forgot, but Apopus is gonna you know,
it was rumored to be one of these ones that
was gonna kill us. It was gonna it was gonna
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race into the Earth and destroy all life on Earth.
Oh Heaven's okay, that's that's a bad thing. Of course. However,
upon the refinement of the office orbit, we discovered we
discovered that this asteroid was not going to hit the
Earth at all. Now, it was going to be closer
to the Earth than other asteroids had been, but it's
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not going to hit the Earth. We can get that
pretty accurately because in our telescope with skyto livestream, we've
actually followed asteroids right across the sky dynamically that were
passing between the Earth and the Moon. Okay, they passed
through Earth's orbit. They passed right through the space between
the Earth and the Moon.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And with that.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Telescope you can you can literally watch moving this fast
on the screen. And that's an asteroid about forty feet across,
passing between the Earth and the Moon. You know. So
people say that's close, Well yeah, if you if you
look at it from that perspective, that's that's really close.
But the question is why did we see it before?
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The answer is because it's so small. Okay, if it
was a mass of asteroid, we would have seen it
for a long time ago. If it was, if it
was a size of say a quarter.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Mile or half like an Armageddon movie style.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, we would have seen it years ago, we know,
you know, we don't haven't seen it though.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Do you think that getting the hype up for fear
of these things is kind of like trying to get
funding for someone's pet project, the anti asteroid project at
some university or.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
You know that they do that. Yeah, yeah, they do. Yeah,
but I don't think in this case it is because
this asteroid is actually going to be close. But no, cigar,
it's not going to hit us, you know. Okay, the
the orbital elements have fleshed out to the point where
they can actually see that it's going to miss the Earth.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Will you be able to track this when that time comes?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
If it did northern hemisphere and in the night type
sky yet?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Very cool?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, ok, But if it's not, we won't mhm.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
What we can do right now is we can talk
about the Jack Berber uh Barbara Jake Barber interview on
Ross Coldheart's UH series.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And the egg Shaped uf oh.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Which is a really fascinating video that many of us
have seen at this point. And you said that you've
done some work on it, some analysis.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah. Our photo analysis team on with the mutual UFO
network consists of six people, and uh we're we work
in a vacuum when it comes to these things. We
don't collaborate. We do our own independent analyses. And uh
so between five or six, I can't remember exactly how
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many of them weighed in. I think we got six
people that waited in this time on our team, and
of the people that weighed in, six out of six
said that they felt it was a hoax, and that
included me. Now there's a lot of reasons for that. Yeah,
And I can go through a number of the reasons
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with you and tell you. Now, first of all, let's
look at the video just as it comes in. It's
an egg shaped UFO object UAP wrapped in what looks
like a net, a cargo net, all right. Now, this
object and the cargo net is also being suspended by
(13:30):
a helicopter from a cable. Now, when I first looked
at this video, I, because of my rather good understanding
of night vision equipment and other things, I looked at
this video and said, that's not real night vision.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
It's a different kind of green. Right.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Well, even even even if let's say it wasn't, the
contrast and the appearance on the ground was too stark
between the shaded area. Just see how Yeah, the areas
of dark and light are across the ground there.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, I say, I always thought that maybe that was
like a low pixelation issue.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, let's let's let's even if it was. Okay, look
at the shadow. The shadow is a low pixelation. You
can actually see that the shadow is a rather sharp
edged shadow. Now, the question is if this was being
dropped down, there's several things wrong with this picture, and
if you can just leave it up here, this is good. Sure, Okay.
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The idea is that we're looking from a downlooking camera
on the helicopter, and you see the cable right there
in the bottom. Yeah, okay, Well, first of all, that's
not where a downward looking camera would be located on
a helicopter, and the reason is because the cable being
so close to the cable, it would block a lot
of what's going on and the camera would not have
(14:51):
visibility of all of the scenes. So the cameras would
be further away. Okay. Number one. Number two, you can
hear sound you hear the sound to the helicopter. Yeah, well,
these technical cameras don't have sound. They're just visual cameras,
only they don't have any kind of sound. If you
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can imagine, those cameras would pick up lots of sound,
lots of wind, lots of running, and if it was
a helicopter, be going to be the constant din of noises.
So that was, in my view, something that.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Was very Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So so you you were able to get get something
out of the audio from that.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah. The audio was the fact that the audio was
there at all.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, there's a problem.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
These cameras like this don't have audio. Now, look at
that green They noticed that sharp contrast in there. Okay,
in the sharp shadow. Okay, where's the personnel? Why is
it being dropped at the base? Why is it being
dropped in a quote unquote field?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay, there are a lot of questions about that.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah. Sure, And so I figured, okay, well, let's say
there was a search light out just outside the view, right,
and it was creating this start and this stark shadow
on this thing. Well, if you look at the object
and you look at the shadow, the shadow has a
certain length. The length of the shadow is directly proportional
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to the height of the object and the height of
the light that's aiming at it. Yes, so we know
the size of the object roughly, okay, And the shadow
length kind of gives away the fact that the light
was rather high in the air and not moving looking
at this thing, because it's not at the height of
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the helicopter, but it's lower than the height of the
so called helicopter, and it's on an angle that puts
the light probably thirty or so or thirty five degrees
off the ground from the position of this egg. Okay.
So what this told me was to see there's a
massive search light tower in the middle of the field,
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which makes no sense, or it's not really a searchlight.
Maybe it's the sun and this was filmed outside, and
this is just a night vision filter, which would make
sense because that green, that green color is so stark
contrast in the darks. You wouldn't expect that.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
You know, now, now, would this be a reason to.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Use a night filter to obfuscate its origin or to
kind of hide, like if they're afraid of revealing something
else about the video because they're they're not supposed.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
To release it or.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Do you seem like maybe there's a legit motive there.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Not really, because you can see a lot of detail
in the image. In the image anyway, you can see
a lots of detail and it surrounding terrain, and whether
it was day or night. Okay, does it matter, you
know to me? And the other thing you have to
wonder is, okay, they're lowering this down in the field.
Where's all the personnel. Why is in the field and
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not on a military base? What's going on here? That
doesn't make any sense at all. So none, none of
the givens of this make any sense to me. And
so I wrote all that stuff down, okay, And you know,
Dennis for a move and other folks on our team,
Seth Einstein on my team, they all looked at this
(18:36):
and they did their own independent analysis, which I insist on, okay,
and they all came up with the fact that all
these things I just told you, many of them mentioned
those things and said we believe it's a hoax. And
I said, yeah, it's interesting because so did I. And
Bob Spearing had moved on, you know, took all of
(18:56):
our reports and he basically really saw that the consensus
was it was a hoax. Then something came out that said,
oh wait, this was just a recreation of the event.
Wait a minute, this was being passed off as the event.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well, okay, so the initial interview, they actually didn't make
any claim to the video, right, They just kind of
played it like b roll right. And then ross coltheart
had kind of commented on the egg shaped craft, but
there was no providence given at all.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, but it ended up being allowed to become the event.
And this object was a hoax event. So that means
that this event has no more standing than someone else
who comes along and says, hey, look what I saw.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay, So but if we're given a source for this,
would that help or do do you think? Because what
would be the reason to stage such a thing?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I wonder, Oh, well, there's a million reasons to do that.
I mean, we can talk about the government planting misinformation,
but that's not what this is.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I don't think it doesn't feel like misinformation.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
We can also, you know, we could talk about people
who want to get a lucrative contracts and that has happened. Okay,
but I don't know what this is here for this
guy and I don't even know who Jake Barbara is
to be honest and uh for for the people that
have actually seen UAPs. It's interesting that when we looked
(20:41):
at this, uh, several of the investigators actually calculated the
proportions of the egg and found that it was actually
the exact proportions of a chicken egg. No, which is
kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But look, I will I will give it this. It's
it's I don't think it's a balloon.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
A bunch of other people have noticed that it doesn't
really like compress when it hits the ground. The string
wrapping around it doesn't, you know, push in on the
balloon material.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
So it's something hard for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It has to be something heavy so that they could
if they want to proptate a hoax, they're gonna put
something heavy there, right, And they could have sculpted it
out of the platster for all we know, and then
you know, she'll acted and shined it up or done it.
It could be some other type of no object, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So what have you heard from of where it's coming.
It's come from the video.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I just heard that this was something that Roscoltar put
on the show, and that Jake Barbara was a so
called whistleblower. I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So there's still no additional information as to the provenance
of the video.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Not at all, you know, not as far as I
can tell them, as far as I know. After I
saw this video and realized what it was, and our
team decided it was a hoax, we just said it
on the side instead. If more comes out, we'll look
at it, but for now, we're going to call it
a hoax because that's what we think it is. Well,
and I know, I know it's not not good for
the show. I realized them.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So no, but I'm surprised it's not in the gray basket.
But that you're you're you're settling on hooks for now.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, But you know what the thing is, all right,
I learned a long time ago that we really can't
be arrogant about this, right.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We have to.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
We have to allow for other possibilities that we ourselves
may not believe at the time. So right now, although
I think it's a hoax, I have put it aside
and set it aside so that if more information comes
forward or some add on to the video comes forward,
we'll be able to reinvestigate. Because I'm always willing to
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this because I do believe that there's alien life here
that's found US. I mean from a scientific point of view,
as a science guy. I'll tell you right now, I
think there they are here. I've had as I can't explain.
In fact, one of the experiences I had might bring
me to Congress and testify to Congress too. I found out, okay,
(23:10):
a couple of weeks ago that my name is being
bandied around as someone to come testifying, and that has
to do with the USO the Unknown Submerged Object. I
was on a submarine as a guest decades ago, decades
and somebody came roaring through the sonar at several hundred
miles an hour underwater, and it made very little sound,
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but enough to be heard on the sonar, and it
was a very interesting trace that it left. It was
a it's called a TRANSI that came and it went,
and the kid on the sonar had no idea what
it was, and he had his hands out and he
told the executive officer say, I don't know what this is.
(23:56):
I don't know what to say, sir. Yeah, And the
guy said, they log it and dog it and the
kids went yes, sir, sir, Yes, sir. I went back
to work, and you know me, I was a big
shot on the boat. I was invited to go on
this boat. I'm a big shot at Yeah, you know
where this is going. And I went up to the
XO and I said, Sir, I know these things might be.
Is there anything I can help you with? It's isd'
(24:17):
antonio correct sir, Yes, sir, you have any good trips
so far? Serious, sir, let's keep it that way. He
walked away.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So, yeah, that's a classic response to that sort of situation.
And that actually makes sense to me that if you're
going to do another hearing that they would focus on
US os.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, because that they're they're actually every navy's reported them.
It's not just the US and it's not.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Not just the Air Force.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, no, no, it's underbouter too. In fact, one of
my most popular lectures I talk about I've been doing
this all over the country is one about dimensional travel
and how using modern science we can explain how you
actually may be working. Yeah, and every observed characteristic of
a UFO in the sky can be explained by the
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use of this technology. And it's not a reach it's
not a stretch. It's almost too obvious as a.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Matter of fact. No, you know, and let me ask
you about this.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
We are all kind of the explanation subject I've read
this past summer, there was a paper that came out
scientists proposed that they think they have a natural explanation
for food fighters, you know what World War two pilots
were reporting, and and other pilots beyond that. We've heard
like oh maybe ball lightning in the past. But what
(25:41):
they were saying is that there's there's actually a legit
phenomena where balls of plasma can be attracted to charged,
you know objects, So as the jet pilots move around,
the plasma balls actually would follow them and give the
appearance of like an intelligence.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
What you think, Okay, Well, first of all, we define plasma, okay.
Plasma is an atom that's had its electrons stripped off,
and not just protons, and it takes high temperatures to
get this ionization to occur, in high levels of radiation
to get these electrons to bounce off the atom and
leave the atom behind for a period of time. And
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when that happens, the remaining protons and the nucleus of
this atom are now rolling around out there, running around,
and that's plasma. That's what we define is plasma. That's
what we see when we look at the sun. Everything
you see in the sky about the Sun, the disc
of the Sun you see with dark sunglasses or whatever,
that is all plasma you're looking at. And in the
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core of the Sun, which is only about you know,
fifteen percent of the center of the mass of the
center of that size of the Sun in the sky,
that little fifteen percent, that's the only place for actual
fusion that makes the energy that we enjoy so much
actually occurs. The rest is just along for the ride.
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And it's because it's so hot. As that energy moves out,
it rips the electrons off of these atoms and it
makes now you're hot, really hot protons running around and
hot electrons running around, and that's plasma. So that's what
plasma is. So a plasma ball as a self cohesive
(27:23):
object in the sky, well, there's there's definitely a scientific
basis for that. As you mentioned ball lightning, Okay, I
mean when I was a kid, I remember a story
my father told me about lightning coming through the keyhole
of the door and sputting around on the floor and
then going away. That may have been ball lightning. Okay,
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it left sinuous little tracks of burn. So it's very hot. Okay,
and it's charged, you're right, Okay, it's plus one charge.
That that's a bunch of hot protons, which or all
plus one charge. Okay, electrons minus one charge. When the
electrons are in the atom, there's no charge because they're.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Equal, So it's kind of like a hungry ball of light.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah. And if you have a negative charge, then plus
one charges will follow you. So if I mean, I'm
just offering this as a as a follow up, just
as I'm thinking, if you have an aircraft flying through
the sky and it's flying through moisture, whatever, moist air,
it's gonna end up generating a static charge. We've seen
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on airliners the greenish glow that surrounds the wings sometimes
and the pilots in the cockpit see these spider strands
coming up the windows, say doubles fire static discharge right, Well, okay,
that's charge, and that charge could attract other charges and
(28:53):
maybe that could happen. So it's not a bad thought,
and I reserve I reserve the right to say that
this is a possibility, but I can't say it's the
only possibility. Yeah, food fighters might actually be UFOs too, but.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Or yeah, it might be both. You don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Both things can be true, right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Right exactly this technology that you're talking about, is this
a magnetic charge technology?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Actually this is very different that this is. This is
technology that has to do with generating certain types of particles.
And these certain types of particles are particles that were
found in the nineteen twenties, Okay, are theorized in the
nineteen twenties concern overseas. At the Large Headron Collider has
a detector called ATLAS that's all caps at La s okay,
(29:45):
and Atlas detected these particles when it was running. So
it's not like these particles don't exist. They do. Now,
what's the Okay, what are the particles? Well, they're called
Calusik line particle k A l u z A Colusa
client K. Yeah. Clusive client particles are particles that, once generated,
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all right, have some rather peculiar potential characteristics among them.
They are they generate what are what we would call
gravitons in the in the theory, Now we know about
light being a wave and a particle, a photon and
(30:32):
a wave, a wave and a foton of light. When
I was getting my degree in astronomy, I counted photons
on a photometer which detected light from a star, and
I used that to make determinations about the stars. Well,
the the uh, the particular particle we're talking about, right,
(30:55):
is not like light. Apparently we only know we know
light has, like I said, a photon particle and a
wave nature. That's a dubal nature. Electrons are dual nature.
You can describe them with an equation. You can describe
them as a particle, an electron particle. Okay, but you
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can't describe gravity, can you. You can say gravity has
waves now, because we saw them ripples in space time.
Two black holes collide, sent out this ripple like in
a surface of a pond, but three dimensionally spherical in
all directions. Okay, that is a gravitational wave. So what's
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left is the gravitational particle, the graviton. That's the elusive
thing we haven't found yet. However, the calusive line particle
in the theory does exist as a particle of gravity
known as a graviton, and as a wave. But we
know gravity is a wave. Now, so maybe the clusiicline
(31:58):
graviton exists, and if it does, it's about ten to
the sixteen times more powerful than the gravitons. Hold it
gets to our chairs right now? Okay, what does that
mean it now? First of all, when we talk about light,
we have to talk about dimensions. Light operates in our
four dimensions X, Y, and z moving through time. Okay,
(32:18):
I'm here right now. If I move here, I'm at
a new X Y and Z coordinate at a slightly
later time. Okay. Everything we do has to do with
moving from one place an X y Z coordinate system
in time to a new place x y Z coordinate. Okay,
what if I told you that there was a fifth dimension.
(32:38):
What if I told you that if you could pop
out of these four dimensions and go into the fifth dimension,
you could enter a place where the universe farthering you
go into that dimension, universe shrinks around you. This is
the construct known as Randall sundrum one, and it has
to do with string theory. So we have to prove
string theory on top of everything else.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Don't That's fine?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, So Randalls under one is a construct that allows
us to say, well, if we can move into this
fifth dimension, right, the universe is really really compact. The
farther we go, the smaller it gets. So if we
go in just a little bit and pop back out,
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we could go from this particular point to maybe this
particular point, and not that we traveled space in between.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
So you're doing this without the need of warping space
time exactly. That that is okay, I said, that's the
only other alternative I've ever heard of warping space time.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So this is new.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
It is, and it's actually you're gonna love this too,
because if you think about this, when you look at
how this would work. A UFO has to generate these
particles right now, the caluziicne gravitons, when they're generated, are
so powerfully also create micro black holes. The micro black
holes will do a couple of things. They'll eat a
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little bit of light, because it's supposed to be I
might be coming to your eyes. Otherwise, they'll eat a
little bit of the air, and they're gonna eat up
the gravitons that the Earth is producing. So what they're
gonna do by surrounding the UFO, they prevent earth gravity
from even reaching the UFO, which explains why ufo sometimes
look like fluttering leaves in the wind. Okay, because there's
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no up or down to them, and they can stop
on a dime. So that for a moment. Now, when
a UFO generates these particles. We also noticed something else,
and that is that the UFO may shimmer and change colors.
That's been reported, yes the cases. Well that's exactly what
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would happen theoretically if these micro black holes are eating
a little bit of the light that's supposed to be
coming to.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Your Oh wow, that's interesting, right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Now let's take it another step further. When you look
at the UFO, you see something in the sky, it's here,
Then all of a sudden advances and it's here. Yeah, okay,
Well we could say that's the autokinetic effect where your
eyes can't focus on a spot in the sky. And
as they said, two things can be true at one time.
But that could also be somebody popping out from here,
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going to the fifth dimension and appearing over here.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
See so well, and just in defense of the autokinetic yeah,
thing is that, Yes, that's a real phenomena, but that's
more about like when you stare at something and it
kind of just moves right, because because your eyes are
constantly adjusting, well.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It asks us to do with this. If you're looking
in the sky and you see a flash, Oh, there
was a flash right there, and you point to it. Yeah,
the next time you see it, you think it's over here, okay,
because your eyes are dancing around trying to.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Find trying to find it.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, because we didn't evolve the need to identify spots
in a blank sky right that are flashing, we develop
the need to look for pattern recognition in the dark,
looking for predators Okay, that we're trying to eat us
when we're evolving, So that was never needed. So our
brain's not good at that. So okay. That said, so
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there's a healthy supply of autokinetic problems out there. There's
a healthy supply of atmospheric scintillation changing the colors of
things near the horizon. What happens when you're looking at
something up in the sky and it seems to be
changing color, fading in and out on you, and then
disappearing in the peering over here. Now all those things
together are taken together, those we can't deny the possibility
(36:39):
that we're looking at colusive line gravitons at play. Now
the final coupdi gras. All right, what do you need
to create? These colusive line gravitons? Need a particle accelerator?
Now we have one concern. It's twenty something miles around, right, Okay, well,
that's how big are accelerators have to be to generate
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these types of things. But advanced species, you might have
thought of a way to make the accelerators smaller. And
what shape of UFOs distant?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, you know why they're particle accelerators. That's why.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Okay, butts, does that explain the black triangles and these
other like cigar.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Shape, Yes, because you can put a circle nicely inside it.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Within that, within that triangle, it'll just be more compact.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
And Rodrigo and Comments made a really good point said, uh,
gravitational waves just like Lazar said, which which is interesting.
And you know, so if if I'm imagining kind of
bubb Lasar's description of a craft, right, but if you
have this within a craft, how do you then, like,
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what mechanisms would you would you use to navigate?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Ah? Glad you asked, because first of all, let's say
you had this craft. Okay, let's go to the energy source.
Then we'll get to navigation. What do you need to
generate these particles? You need a particle accelerator. What do
you need to power the accelerator? One heck of a
energy somehow, and guess what you could use to power it.
(38:18):
The technology that looks like it may power such a
craft as a fusion reactor.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
But we're on the brink of doing ourselves on.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Once Livermore created a sustained reaction for the first time
a couple years ago, the Chinese just ran a fusion
reactor for over one hundred and eighteen seconds. Was it
something like that?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Did did they break the record?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yes, that's that's a record, And sustained reactions are how
this is going to work now, all right, So now
we know that all the things we see in the
sky that are being done by these odd things in
the sky could be CLUSI CLI graviton technologies. We also
know that they have to be generated by a particle accelerator,
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which explains why UFOs around the outer rings are the
particle accelerator and the inner core is where the occupants go. Yeah, okay,
they're safe in there. Now here's another thing, yet another
odd coincident.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
We're checking all the boxes to night.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
We have to. We have to because I'm not going
to let this go without checking all the boxes. If
anyone box fails.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Then the whole thing falls apart.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
We have to reconsider. But we've heard stories of people
touching UFOs and what happens when they touch them.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Electrical charge And you're right, uh, well, some people will
feel dizzy, what else I don't know?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Burns?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Oh sure, well if you're even just being close to
it without touching it. Yeah, so every thing about was
it Falcon Lake? I mean that's a yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
So dizzy, Okay, feeling nausea, burns. Guess what those are?
Symptoms of radiation? Are the symptoms of radiation poison?
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Name?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Now wait what radiation mark? What are you talking about? Well,
we have a small thirty foot roughly diameter UFO. Let's
suppose it's a particle accelerator. Let's suppose it's generating these
cozycline gravitons which come out and I'll talk about how
they get into the fifth dimension in a minute. But
let's suppose they generate these cozichline gravitons. Anytime you force
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charged particles into a circle, you're using bright, really highly
powerful magnetic fields. Aren't you cause them to go in
a circular path? Sure, they don't want to go in
a circular path. They fight it, and when they're fighting it,
they fight it by giving off radiation, synchrotron radiation, and
(40:52):
that synchrotron radiation is the thing that might be causing nausea,
might be causing dizziness, and we're definitely be causing radiation birds.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
So do we see that with our own generators?
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
What arencerned? Do we see this? Or?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Okay? Syretron radiation is in all the circular particle accelerators
and they have to manage it, have to manage it.
They're on the ground for a reason.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
So it's not the fusion, because the fusion should be clean, right.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, it's just that the generation of the particles. Yeah, okay,
forcing particles that are charged in a circular path using
strongly named fields will generate radially away from the path. Okay,
we'll generate in all directions synchrotron radiation. If you have
shielding in the cordership, you're fine. They're gonna be just.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Fine, would that be strong enough for say, something like
the cash Land room case in Texas?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Possibly, except that one might have been one of ours.
You know, that could have been like they got too
close to a nuclear plane or a nuclear helicopter.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I mean right, because I think there was something like
twenty feet away roughly, you know, the car was so hot,
you know.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
But yes, that could and we can't deny the possibility
that that could have been a cus A client encounter, Okay, okay,
or a circular you know, now we talked about this
fifth dimension. So now we know that everything we see
a UFO through can be explained using this CUSI client
phenomen Okay, we know that. You know we talked about
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you took on navigation. Now, so this is where we
come into this. Hey, these four dimensions we have X, Y,
and Z moving through time describe us on our planet,
everything we've ever done and never known, Every probe we've
ever sent out. We sent it from point day to
point B by passing through all the points between point
A and point B. But if you actually generate these
(42:49):
cruzic cline gravitons, there's something we need to understand about gravity.
We don't know where the other end of gravity is effectively.
What that means is light starts and stops in our
four To shine a flashlight at the wall, it originates
in your flashlight, it ends at the wall. Okay, all right,
So in fact light it can be you know, stopped,
(43:10):
It can be reflected or refracted. We can do all kinds of.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Things to it, and the same thing with all with
matter in general, or yes, yeah, can't do that with gravity.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Gravity is pervasive. It goes through every single structure we have.
You can't build a cube that you can go inside
and have anti gravity. Gravity goes through everything. So why
is that? It's because it may be the other end
of gravity may be in this fifth dimension. So when
we look for gravitons, one of the problems we have
(43:41):
is we're looking in our four dimensions for gravitons. Right,
we can measure gravity in our four dimensions, but the
other end of gravity, the part that makes the loop okay,
that completes our understanding gravity, isn't in our four dimensions.
Potentially it might be in this fifth. Now that means
that we can calculate gravity, utilize it for our spacecraft,
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and you go all the way out of our solar
system with the voyagers get on Mars specifically means perfect placement. Okay,
send probes to Venus, the Parker probe around the Sun
perfectly placed. Okay. We can do all that because we
can calculate gravity. We can't reflect it, we can't bend it,
we can't harness it in any way except to utilize
(44:26):
it because it's always there. So how can we actually
utilize it? We utilize it by understanding its nature. And
the nature of it means that we have to look
beyond their four dimensions, and that's where this fifth dimensional
construct in the string theory variation called Randall sunder one
which I mentioned comes into play. This fifth dimension is
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this is the place where the Caluzic line gravitons actually live. Okay,
I don't mean a lie the lie. They exist here,
so that means we can see them here. But to
understand the complete picture, we have to see them here.
We can't. So if we generate CLUSI clank gravitons around
(45:09):
our ship here, because the other end of them exists
in this fifth dimension. M hm, your ship gets pulled
into the fifth dimension because you're surrounded by them. Now,
that is why when you look at a UFO, it
looks like it shimmers and disappears, and it's truly gone.
(45:30):
It'll truly be gone because it's gone into the fifth dimension.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
It's almost like being pulled in like a tractor.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Beam, exactly it did. The eclusive clank. Gravitons exist in
this fifth dimension. That's where you're from. Okay, we generate
them here, we're pulling them from this fifth dimension, although
we don't know it. And so then they pull us
into the fifth dimension. And if you go in far enough,
and give you an example, you travel twelve inches outside,
you go through one through twelve inches of the measurement,
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and they're exactly tor menches you travel. Okay, we can
do that in our four dimensions. But in the fifth dimension, okay,
going just a little bit more, just a tiny's bin
in and you travel twelve inches in there. When you
come out that trap, that twelve inches won't have expanded
to maybe twenty four inches. Okay, because remember, the universe
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is more compressed inside. The farther than you go, the
more compressed.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Even though the universe is compressed, you are not like
physically compressed.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3 (46:28):
It is correct. Okay, that's correct, and there's another reason
for that, which you may have time to get there,
but that's okay.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Well yeah, I mean it just just want us to
turn into jam you know if we try to test
this pepology out.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah and yeah. Basically, the way it works is you
have to oscillate back and forth between the fourth dimension
and the fifth in order to stay intact. And that
has benefits. Wow, that has benefits. Well, look, your fusion
reactor just goes on autopilot, yeah, you know, and it
just continues to generate these particles, all right, goes in
and out of the fifth dimension, and then you could.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Okay, so let me let me ask you this, Uh,
if this is a thing, would a radar directed radar
beam affect this technology because we often suspect that maybe
in the forties especially, you know, these UFOs that were
crashed or taken down either by accident or purposefully, we're
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done so by you know, radar.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, we'll keep in mind, Yes, let's pursue that. Let's
keep in mind that let's say they're oscillating back and forth,
that means that they're neither here nor there for any
appreciable amount of time, but they are here for some
portion of time, and they're doing it fast. The frequency
you can barely see my finger, but it's still there,
except my fingers actually traveling from here through this space
(47:53):
to get here. We're talking about something goes like this,
and that's going on and a tire.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Which which is is very common UFO citing description, and I.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Keep also in mind this this is something else that's
very important to understand. They don't have engines, they don't
need them. They just need particle accelerators and the ability
going to your navigation point to know where the entry
points are into our four dimensional space. This means that
an advanced species is very likely one of the greatest
(48:27):
cartography you know, map makers, map makers in the whole universe,
because they have to know where everything is that they're
coming into. They don't want to materialize inside solid rock.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Okay, this is where a quantum computer would be really helpful.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
And they probably have that going on. So the point
is they can never I honestly, honestly believe this is
the only way they could be doing this.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
You know, they couldn't. It couldn't be through a.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Warp technology technology would work except for the fact that
it requires a metse amount of energy, right, Kubia drive. Okay,
the warp drive, if people call it, is the Alcubier drive.
Sure and meg look came up with it nineteen ninety forty.
We'll create this. This the ability to compress the universe
in front of us and lengthen the distance from our
(49:20):
origin and where we are. And that made this weird
uh compression envelope that the ship doesn't feel because it's
inside a warp bubble. The problem with that, I know
it's it's not intuitive, trust me. But the problem with
it is that the al Kubier drive required so much energy.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I mean, like the Sun and energy right like well, well.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Almost like the energy equivalent of Jupiter converted to energy.
What does that mean if you take you take Einstein,
it's mass equivalence formula equals mc square. Okay, that's the
formula for objects traveling slower than the speed light. It's
actually a longer the equation that breaks down to equals
(50:02):
mc squared at the end, which is kind of interesting
at speed of light. Then the empty square goes away
and you have this that planks constant times of frequency.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Anyway, Yeah, let's not get into planks.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
We're getting because planking is fun. But you just got
min and a half. So if you look at equals
mc squared the energy result you get in that from
that e right, that's almost a yeah, there's the look
at it. There's the okay, the the e here. Okay,
the energy is em C squared. So the mass of
(50:35):
Jupiter is required times is speed the light square to
get the energy required to make one count them one
more bubble, all right. It's a colossally stupendous amount of
energy that is just not practical.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Especially if you're traveling from point A to point C
to point B. Then oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
And it is traveling from point A to point B
and traveling through every point in between. That's what it's doing,
ye know, effectively, But it's doing it in a way
that you're warping space and basically pulling it past you
as fast as you could muster with the bubble. Now
you've got to do it over and over and over
again until you get to your destination. And so whereas
(51:15):
it's a and that's why even a Kubier himself said
it was a kind of a thought problem, and it
got it shelf. But then along comes Sunny White at
Eagle Works Laboratories some years later, and he caught on
to us, it's pretty cool, and he started looking at it,
and there's a torus around the ship that generates this
warp bubble. Well, he monkeyed with the dimensions and the
(51:38):
geometry of the Taurus and he came up with a
new taurus. It required ten to twenty five times less
mass to actually accomplish the warp bubble. Yeah, and that
in practical terms, it turned out to be something along
the lines of the mass of the Voyager spacecraft. It
(52:01):
could be used converted energy. Yeah, it's still less, but it's.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Colossal and maybe it's one more step along the way.
I have to ask you a question from Rodrigo regarding
your your theory. He said, does Mark think the Casmir
effect and the extraction of energy from the vacuum may
be a feasible source of energy in the future.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
It depends how much we can get out on Lego,
because right now there's not a lot of energy associated
with that effect. There's a lot of hardware associated with
fighting it and generating it, but there's not a lot
of results, not a return that's really feasible at the moment.
I think that there's a lot of things the universe
(52:45):
throws at us that aren't going to be able to
be used, but our interesting discoveries. Nonetheless, Carl Sagen said
it best. You know, out there somewhere is something just
waiting to be known. I mean, I just love that.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Because you should do a book reading enough voice. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
I'll read my book of that. Yeah, yeah, I used
I used to Sega's quote in there. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
So I don't think that effecta rigo would actually be
very helpful at this point. And by the way, I
just got to correct you. It's not my theory. This,
this theory of closed client gravitons has been around for
a long time and a very good friend of mine,
Robert Schroeder, another guy you enjoying your program, Bob, came
(53:28):
up with this idea and he reprised the clusive client
hypothesis and he added some meat to it. He wrote
a book called Solving the UFO Enigma. Okay, so now
the book may not be in print. He might have
one if you ask him, but he lives in Massachusetts.
A great guy. And when I heard his lecture on this,
(53:51):
I thought, this is actually making some sense to me.
I read his book, and his book is for the
Fate of Art. Okay, it's not written for everyday people.
It's writ for physicists. It's written for astronomers and astrophysicists.
And so he uses a lot of equations and advanced
mathematics in it. But it's a short paperback. I mean,
(54:11):
it's not that big and okay, but he does cover
the concept quite well, and I've talked to him substantially
about it. So he's the guy that got me going
on this, and then I've added to it with my
own examinations and experiences, and I think that it's really
(54:31):
an amazing, amazing possibility.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Okay, let's continue with this line of questioning. Then, So,
when a ship travels minutes at nearly the speed of
light returns home, many years have passed for the observer.
Does that mean the observer sees the ship going at
conventional speed instead of blasting away.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Here's the way that works. Okay, great questions. By the way, Yeah,
I agree. If the ship is moving at light speed
and you're on the earth watching him go by, okay,
you're not going to see a ship traveling by unless
it's really really far out there and you actually can
see it moving through the sky at light speed. You
can't see light moving. It takes eight and a half
minutes for the light to get it from the Sun
(55:16):
and just over a second to get it from the Moon.
So it's got to be really far away and be
really really bright for you to see it traveling. We've
seen light echoes in space that are, you know, thousands
and thousands of light years away. We actually watched the
expanding halo of light moving out from a supernova explosion. Okay,
if you were there, it would be moving really fast.
(55:37):
So let's suppose you could somehow see the light moving. Okay,
if you looked at the guy looking out the windows
waving at you, you'd see this for your entire life.
He would be frozen.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
For podcasters, he has a hand frozen, unscreened.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Ye as, yeah, I'm looking at and it just freezes
my mo because to the observer, time has stopped for him. Okay,
for the for the guy going by in the rocket.
For the guy in the rocket, he's waving and you're
a sloan gone, and he might wave five times and
be at his next destination. Okay, like in four minutes
(56:17):
to give me the Mars, you know, when Mars is
closest to us, and so in that regard, he could
wait for four minutes. But if he went, you know,
he's waving it four minutes. Sorry, he waves for that
four minutes. Four minutes. To him, he travels a much
much more higher distance, but for us it takes him
(56:37):
four minutes to get there. This is again, this relativity
is really troublesome to make it as an intuitive thing.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Just yeah, but it's also isn't it just like amazing
and wondrous and fascinating.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, yes it is, it is. I'm telling you it's
really cool. All right.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
So last question of the evening from jingis would these
starships need some type of forward deflector to move those
pesky micro meteorites out of the way or would the
gravity bubble protect from these objects?
Speaker 3 (57:15):
Okay? In the al Kobya drive, yes, you were going
to get this build up of energy like bugs in
the windsield with Alcubia, okay, and you have to have
to have a way of shutting them away. And that's
why Migallo Cubia did work with Froning, who's a mathematician
or physicist, and they came up with the Froning al
(57:37):
Kubia variant. The Froning drive with Alcubia's concept actually wicks
off the energy kind of like shields from Star trek okay,
so that when you get to the destination and you
come out of that warp bubble, you don't have enough
energy literally to blow away the entire solar system that
you're in, because that's what would happen otherwise. Yeah, it
(58:00):
could actually be an ultimate weapon. But the leg the
bottom line here is that if they use the other
technology where they're just punching out and punching it to
discrete coordinates, you don't have to worry about that, and
they could make ninety returns in the sky at high speed,
and inside their craft all they see is the scenery
changing outside the window. They feel nothing because to them
(58:23):
they're just disappearing from one coordinate and appearing at another
with a short stop at the fifth dimension.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Right, and I have one last question myself, so basically
my own personal zone. Well, yeah, and here's another thing.
This is actually more biological. So we discussed earlier how
a UFO. Right, it might appear here and then suddenly
appear here.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
Is it possible that two different people looking at that
same phenomena, one might actually see a streak and one
might see it kind of just disappear and reappear.
Speaker 3 (59:01):
For the observers and the Earth, this phenomenon is going
to be rather discreete. They're gonna see something shimmer and disappear,
and they'll both see exactly the same thing, but from
different perspectives.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
You know, Uh, this one over here might not see
the air that gets eaten by the micro black holes
as much as this one over here because of some
other phenomena.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Right, So it could it look still look a little
different from slightly Yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
I consider it could be slightly different. But the end
results are saying if there was something here and it
just went into the fifth dimension right here, it would
literally be gone and it would not be here. Yeah. Yeah. Now,
the last thing I'll mention, Yeah, I know we're getting
short in time. Sorry. The last thing I'll mention is
when you look at the possibility of usos unknown submers objects. Okay,
(59:52):
you know, on the sub trip I had decades ago,
we saw day I was just the seasick guy in
the boat that was there for Thank you, Thank you
mister Navy for having me go along. That's fun. I
had being seasick when I was sitting in the sonar
room and when when the thing zoomed through the radar
radar sonar, the kid called there's a con that there
(01:00:15):
was a fast mover, and they ex came over and
as I mentioned, they calculated the speed at several hundred
miles an hour underwater. Now, how can that be easily?
Because if they're going and doing this oscillation I told
you about your fifth dimension and our dimensions, they're coming
in like they're doing it. Think think, can you see
(01:00:35):
how my hands moving across my finger? That makes a line,
a logical line. So they're just popping in at the
next coordinate underwater into our instruments. It looks like a line.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
They might be going three feet or a foot or
eight inches they win a little bit into that fifth dimension. Yeah,
it's a lot. They they'll take right off.
Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
This hour went by crazy fast. I'm so happy to
have you on tonight, I really am. It's it's been
too long and I hope it's.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Good friend.
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Thank you, thank you same here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yeah, and you know, I know you're very busy, but
hopefully we'll have you back sooner next time. And for
everybody listening, I put Mark's Facebook skytward live stream with
Marcy Antono link in the chat and I'll add it
to the description later. Mark, if you can leave us
with just one thought, doesn't even have to be you
for related what would it be?
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I say this off at the people. You know, don't
forget to look up when you go out, okay, because
you could be the one to find it. Okay. There's
a lot of things out there, all right, and I
know that we're consumed with looking down at our phones
like we're doing right now, but take the time to
(01:01:57):
look up. That's what sky to is about. You know.
I created skypterlive dot org. It's a five or one
C three nonprofit. I did that because I wanted to
encourage people to looking up and enjoy the night with.
Some of your folks in the chat are members of
our skyper life. Ye yeah, yep, so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, thanks man, Yeah, thank you. You are the real Deale.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
And you know, obviously for mouf On, they are very
lucky to have you and you really are a great
representative for it, for Moufon and I'm honored to, you know,
to be along the ranks, lower ranks, but along the.
Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Ranks he's blowing smoking.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Heyah, absolutely all right, thanks, yeah, I we'll definitely have
to have Mark back again.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
And thank you everybody for your your questions tonight. I
really really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
You guys are so smart, and I I have to
say that these kind of conversations are really important. I know,
oftentimes we want to talk about just the most fantastical
stories and that's cool too, but having a deeper understanding,
scientific understanding of the phenomena, I think we'll get us
(01:03:06):
much closer to the truth. So again, thank you all
for joining tonight. If you like this podcast, please subscribe
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Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
And thank you to the unex network.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
In Margie and race over there to very supportive people
that are running an amazing network that it too is
growing phenomenally. Okay, that's it everyone, Thanks so much, peace
and love to you all, and until next time, I'll
see you on the flip side.
Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
It's good to be an earthly I wish more of
us would think of ourselves that way.
Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I don't have a problem with skeptics. It's the bunkers
that are on some other level that I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Especially an inference of a change in local gravity. Saucer
shaped craft and they're hovering over the water.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
A Litle book Special Report fourteenth. The better the quality
of the sighting, the more likely to be unexplainable.
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