The Truth Is Unfolding | Accidental Evidence For The Reality of UFOs with Ron James - Coffee & UFOs

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
However you are and whenever you are, welcome back to
coffee and the UFOs, two of my favorite things. We
got a little bit of a late start, but nonetheless
we are here for the last episode of twenty twenty four.
It's been a cool year, lots of changes, a lot

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of tweaks for many of you who are not so
familiar with Coffee UFOs being a sister program to Mystic Lounge.
I do want to share that Mystic Lounge will be
discontinued indefinitely. However, we have one special guest, one last

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show of Mystic Lounge in early January, and that will
be with our regular guest, Cheryl Costa. She wrote a
novel and we're going to discuss that novel, a espionage
intrigue from her sort of imagination and perspective. So I'm
really excited about that, So tune in for that. Coffee

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UFOs will be the mainstay, most likely for years to come.
And the reason for that is is because I love
this subject. I can't get away from UFOs now. UAP
extraterrestrial studies And we have a really great guest on tonight,
Ron James. He's a co founder of mufon TV and

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the director of Accidental Truth. I can't think of anyone
better to discuss this, but we'll also touch on the
drone subject as well. This disclosure his documentary. It's going
to be a really good episode for all of you
who are Coffee UFO fans. If you can give a
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here on YouTube, I'd really appreciate it, that'd be awesome.
We're growing, we continue to grow, and it's because of
you and all of your feedback and all of your
support really makes a difference. So thank you appreciate that.
So I'm going to just jump right into it because
we're unning a few minutes late. Ron, how are you man?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Great? How are you? Thanks for having me on?

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, of course, So Accidental Truth, let's talk a little
bit about that right off the bat, and then we'll
talk about the drones as well. What was the impetus
for this documentary in particular.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well, Accidental Truth, the core of the idea came from
an interview I did with Lou Alizondo where he made
a couple of revelations that he didn't really mean to make,
and that was the beginning of the seed of the
idea for Accidental Truth. And then as I collected more
interviews and progressed in how I wanted to tell the story,
more people did the same thing, and we ended up

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with the definition of an accidental truth is something that,
through statements or a collection of evidence, something is revealed
that wasn't originally intended to be revealed. And so Accidental
Truth came out in April of last year. It was
in the top ten documentaries worldwide on the Apple Charts,

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whatever that means for I think twenty weeks.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, and it won twenty eight Film Festival Awards, so
it did pretty well. It's narrated by Matthew Modine, and
I would like to tell the audience right now that
we just you know, movies go from being something you
can purchase to something you can rent to eventually they
end up on like YouTube movies or tub. Accidental Truth

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is now. You can get it for free on YouTube movies.
You can watch it for free on tub. If you
still want to rent it and support us that way.
You can still see it on Amazon and Apple. And
we're gearing up for the next movie. So if you
haven't seen it yet, take advantage and see it.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, there's going to be a part two, I believe right.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yes, it's called Accidental Truth Next and it's again narrated
by Matthew Modine, going to come out late spring.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, I'm really excited about it.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, hopefully more and more people will see the original film.
I mean, this podcast is rebroadcast on the Unextent work,
so you get more our listeners there, and anybody who
wants to learn about the film, where do they go?
Real quick?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
You can go to Accidental Truth with an s accidentaltruth
dot com. It takes you to a page with links
where you can see it for free. And there's also
some some ancillary content that we've been making as we
document working on the next movie. So it's a fun site.
It's free again, and so yeah, I just want everybody
to get a chance to see the movie because the

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next one is really going to be something.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, We especially U geeks, appreciate the ancillary data and
information and behind the scenes looks. So I really appreciate that.
And I'll post something on at Coffee and UFOs on
Blue Sky and at Coffee and UFO's podcast on the
threads as well. So let's jump into this. The accidental slips,

(05:20):
I would say were kind of interesting, especially Chris Mellon right,
he really kind of alluded to something and the way
he stated what he seemed to know within these kind
of like three large agencies was a little suspicious. So
can you tell us about that moment?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, yeah, there's a you know, I could.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I wouldn't say that I was confrontational with any of
the people I interviewed, but I did ask Chris the
hard question, and he knew it was coming. And this
was an interview that happened back when these guys were
doing the TV show for History Channel and identified and
so my question for him was basically, Chris, we know

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that these legacy programs existed, we know that this stuff happened,
But you're this guy who insists that he would have
been read in and that you would know about it
if it was true. But so how do you reconcile
the fact that the evidence is overwhelming and you're still
saying that you don't know it to be true. Either
you're not telling us the truth or you're actually excluded

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from being read into the programs. And his answer was
what is quite compelling, where he literally admits that crash
retrieval programs did possibly exist that he couldn't get to,
and you know, that's that narrative goes right in with
what we got later from David Grush and what we
got from Admiral Thomas Wilson and the Wilson Davis memo.

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High ranking guy couldn't get to the information. And then
of course in Louel Azando's new book Imminent, where he
talks about how he met Chris and how Chris had
to go and actually obtain additional clearances before Luke people
that even talk to him, which I thought was very interesting. So, yeah,
the Chris Mellon reveal, the Robert Bigelow reveal, which is

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another interesting story I can touch on that.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, so yeah, sure about the Robert Bigelow because that's interesting.
How and the connection with Moufon too, that was new
for me.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, yeah, Moufon worked with Bigelow Aerospace in the beginning
with NIDS and was in partnership to supply NIDS with
the inside information about our sightings and personalities got involved
and things didn't quite work out, but for a while
there was this active partnership. But when Robert Bigelow was
interviewed by George Knapp, and I used a clip of

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that in Accidental Truth, where George asked Bigelow point blank
that he modified his facility to host materials and did
he ever get them? And Robert Bigelow said no, I
never got them. And then you know, George says, well
did you ever see him? And Robert Bigelow's eyes goes
zooming all over the place like pinballs, and it was

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very compelling. But what's interesting, We've long suspected that Lockheed
Martin was the place that had this stuff and was
supposed to give it to big Low Aerospace, and that
at the last minute the CIA kind of ran interference
with it, but we've never been able to confirm it
until the UFO hearings that just happened. And this is

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a story that is going to blow you guys away.
Melinda Leslie, a friend of mine from d C, and
myself were at the hearings and we had actually the
ladies that actually met Eric Burlson the night before the
hearing and had his information, and he was asking us

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what kind of questions he should ask. So we were
sitting in the hearing room during the hearing in real
time when he was questioning Lou Alizondo, and we texted
him the first question that he asked about Lou about
if we were together in a skiff, could you show
me compelling evidence.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I can show you.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
There's a video out there where we actually show the
text that went to Congressman Burlson. It's on MUFON's YouTube channel.
So anyway, after that exchange all went, Melinda Leslie had
my other friend text him the question about Lockheed is
it true that Lockheed Martin wanted to divest the materials?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
And the way Lou answered that question was, well, yeah,
before he really realized that, I think it was another
accidental truth, he you know, unknowingly and unwittingly confirmed that
it was Lockheed Martin that had the materials. And so
this is huge because you know, it's like, this is

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information that we suspected and we got as close to
conform as we could get, and he tried to backtrack
it later, but you know, the cat's out of the bag.
So we were sitting in the back of the room
I was giving I was joking with Lou. It's like, yo,
I even got another accidental truth out of you by
going through a sitting congressman in real time, And to me,

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that's just mind boggling that we were able to do that,
But it really did happen.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
He must have been hot on the color. Stephen Bassett
was there too, I think right for that. Yeah, yeah,
because I remember him making some comment about that. Actually, Ron,
can you just bring your mic volume down? Just the hair,
it's actually just a little bit hot right now.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I spoke to Bob Spearing last week and he was
mentioning the upcoming Moufon conference in twenty twenty five. In
this past year the symposium, they presented some meta material.
He said that this coming year there's more to come
regarding like the Russian material. Yeah, that was submitted. Is

(10:58):
there anything you can tease us or share with us
about that that's coming up?

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, people that are familiar with the first presentation that
we gave, they will know the story that we got
this material sample from Russia and our first tests that
we did in Muffon's Level one lab, which is very basic,
were inconclusive and they returned the materials to us for
further analysis. And that material was actually stolen right out

(11:25):
of our mailbox and so we went and interviewed the
people that work at the post office who were able
to confirm that they were familiar with the box being
put in the mailbox. They have no idea how it disappeared.
You would have to have gone into the post office
and taken it from inside. So that's a mystery in
and of itself. But at the symposium we opened up

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the new sample. We requested another sample from the guy
in Russia. It arrived to us, We opened it up
live in front of the audience, and we brought everybody
up to speed about where we were at that point.
Right after the symposium, we gave it to a lab
to take it and do further testing. And this is
a lab that's not in the US, and the results

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that they have come back with are very very puzzling.
The material, we know what it is, but the composition
of this particular formulation of this material and what it
would be used for and who made it, we're completely clueless.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, well, that brings us to what you do cover
in your documentary about isotopes, right, So in this materially
that you're talking about, are there isotopes that are non earthly?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
No, this is not a metal material, so it's not
an isotopic ratio issue. What is strange about it is
that it seems to have nanotechnology incorporated into the structure
of the material, and that is the material is actually
it turned out to be something. Did Bob tell you
what it was?

Speaker 1 (13:02):
No?

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, maybe he's trying to keep it a secret, so
I hope I don't get in trouble. But it turned
out on initial analysis to be a material called aerogel.
Aerogel is a it's a super lightweight kind of foamy
material that has a cost and a value more than
gold by weight. It's super expensive, it's only used in

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aerospace applications in very limited amounts by high end people,
and it has several different things that you can do
with it.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
So we thought, okay, problem solved.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
But then again, how did a guy in Russia end
up with aerogel sitting in his living room?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
And that's simple too, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
But then when they started looking at it even further,
we found evidence that the aerogel structure is actually being
held together by a whole other molecular, atomic level thing
that we can't justcribe how or why it even is possible.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
So there is a structure being held together, and you
don't know why it's being held together.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
We don't know how. We don't know how.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
We don't know how you would go about making something
like this. We don't know how. I mean, any of
the current aerogel manufacturers. You can pretty much tell that
you know who's making this stuffs. It was invented in
the twenties. I suspected something similar to Night and All.
You know, it's like the story about where it came from.

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Who knows that that's true. It's used today, but like
I said that, there's a few companies that manufacture it.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
You can buy it online.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
But this particular composition of the aerogel and these other
materials is something that we haven't been able.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
To explain so far.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Well, it's obviously a high tech version of aerogel. Or
ether it came from us or came from them, we
don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Just a reference for people listening in case they don't
know the Night and All was that? But tell Labs
is that is that who initially invented it?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (15:05):
And Well, the official story is that Night and All
came and this is an accidental truth.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
We talked about this night and.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
All is a memory retaining metal that bears striking similarities
to the material that was described in Roswell Recoveries. Is
the material that you could wad up and it would
retake its original shape. The actual material that that that
is known today as Night and All came out of
supposedly and Naval Weapons Research Laboratory in I think the fifties.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Came out of laboratory.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Okay, well that's the official story, but we've been able
to track that Night and All it's a titanium alloy.
The initial research into it and probably its true origins
came out of Bettel Memorial Institute, which is a contractor
to Wright Patterson Air Force Base who was contracted study
materials back in the nineteen forties around the Roswell time.

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And there was a scientist to Betel that pioneered titanium
alloy research. And so that's where we actually believe Night
and All really came from. And then we have the
story about where it supposedly came from, and so that
you know, there's all kinds of materials that find their
way into the mainstream and with a fiction behind how

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they were created and where they originated.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Right, Well, Where where does that intersect with a down
UFO and Roswell.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Meaning Night and All?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Why would the why would you? Why would the material
end up in a private company versus.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
The Because Betel Memorial Institute was under contract at the
time with Wright Patterson Air Force Base to do classified materials.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
That research for the Air Force.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
So it is perfectly logical that samples of that material
would have ended up there at the time.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
There wasn't very many other places it would have went.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Where's the logic then, in saying it came out of
a naval laboratory.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Laboratory, because that's the that is the published story that
Night and All came from a naval weapons research laboratory
in the fifties, and that's where it originated.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
But we know better, we know that.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
My question, Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to understand
is why is that? Does that does that act as
a cover story for some reason? Like what why not
just say, hey, it came out of Battel, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Well, because then they'd have to explain where it came.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
From before Bettel.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, and you know it's like if you get you know,
transparent aluminum is another one that you know supposedly came
out of some of these early legacy UFO programs when
Star Trek the movie, uh, the one where they came
back to Earth and caught whales, when that when that
came out, and they had this whole thing about oh,

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transparent aluminum, Well nobody understood at the time, is it
Transparent aluminum was a real thing. And that's that again,
and supposedly was patented by Raytheon and some other companies,
and its history is very, very sketchy, and it's another
example of materials that supposedly came from one origin but
actually can be traced back to other origins. And so

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these programs, these legacy programs that that took this material,
they're notoriously.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Good at saying, oh, look what we just invented. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
It kind of goes back to the whole Hollywood planting
ideas thing, because you do kind of wonder when you
look at like Close Encounters of the third kind. Spielberg
had that biometric reader, which was it's not supposed to
supposedly not invented yet, and yet when you look at
like what Bob Lazar described seeing an area fifty one

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and what we know did exist at the time, it
looked exactly like what Spielberg included in his film.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Well, there's there's a lot of people say Spielberg got
that idea from being read into some actual events.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
So you know, that kind of thing happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Are you looking forward to Spielberg's next film.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean I hope that he continues the tradition of,
you know, putting a large amount of truth buried into
the story he tells.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
So it's going to be interesting.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
But I have to say I've been a little disappointed
with some of these mainstream productions that came out. The
one that JJ Abrams did, it really didn't do much
for the field. And what happens is in the entertainment industry.
You know, a hot topic is a hot topic, so
all of a sudden you have all these where in
the past you'd have UFO investigators and UFO documentarians that

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work together that are passionate about it. But then all
of a sudden, you know when it becomes a hot
subject and UFOs are the hottest topic in pop culture. Now,
all of a sudden you have network executives and suits
and people who say, hey, I have to do something
with that uf whole thing. I heard it, not right now,
And so you end up with junk and and sometimes
that's what happens. So we end up with with films

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that are produced by people that know nothing about the
field and they don't do anything for anybody.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, and I think a lot of those attempts are sincere.
I'm sure that someone like JJ probably has an interest,
you know, he's very deep into science fiction. But but
you're right, if you're not steeped in the actual research
and the history of it, then it's it's just kind
of surface level coverage of the topic.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Again, we've seen that, well it was not not only
was it surface level, but it wasn't accurate. There was
there's all kinds of things in there that were just incorrect,
and and that's just that doesn't help us.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
As as inaccurate as the UAP historical report from Erro.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Or well, you know, that's a whole other story.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Can you can do you can you explain that to me,
because it just does not make sense to me how
inaccurate that was.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well, sure, I can explain it to you perfectly. Is
Sean Kirkpatrick when he first rolled out as being the
guy that was going to run Arrow. Everybody thought, oh,
look at his scientific background, look at this guy is.
But what they didn't understand is that Sean Kirkpatrick has
a very very lengthy background in high risk intelligence operations.

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So an additional to being a scientist, he was also
a he's also a company man. And he came forward
and he towed the line.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
We have.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
All kinds of people that we've talked to, and we
cover this in the next Accidental Truth movie that went
to Arrow and showed them exactly where they could go
and find what they were looking for, and it just
fell on deaf ears. And then we also have these
stories about like how David Grush was supposed to go

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to Arrow. We have Arrow saying that David Grush never
kept his appointments. We have David Grush saying that he
felt threatened by Arrow and didn't want to go in.
So we have all the we have all these different stories.
We know that luel Azando went in there in a
classified setting and laid it out, So how they could
possibly come forth with this report that says basically there's

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just not much to see here is very disappointing. And
I spoke, I spoke to Kirsten Gillibrand personally about it,
and it's going to be in the next film.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Also, that's fantastic. I'm really I'm really happy that we
have some senior senators along with you know, the representatives
that are that are really pushing this agenda.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
And she created arrow so it's her baby.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
It absolutely is. And she doesn't get the coverage as
much as a lot of the other congress people, but yeah,
she's she's definitely pushing it. At where's Rubio now? Is
he kind of backed off a little bit on the subject.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
You know, I puzzle over Rubio. And here's why. He
was as loud as could be about the whole thing.
He was very outspoken right up until that first report
when everybody got the public report and then they all
went behind closed doors, and ever since then he's as
quiet as a mouse. Yeah, And I kind of have

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this this idea that it's a lot easier to get
somebody to keep a secret when they understand why they're
keeping it a secret than it is to threaten them
into keeping something a secret. So in other words, you
can tell somebody if you reveal this, you're going to
be destroyed, or you can tell somebody you can't reveal this,

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and here's why. And I think that some of these
guys were taken in to a skiff and they were
shown some things and told some things that made them
understand why we're not being told the truth. And I
think that's what happened to Marco Rubio.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
It just seems like he's a little scared off a
little too quickly. And why him and not others? Why
not Humor or Jilibrand.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, it's very interesting. I mean, you know there are
people that have carried the torch. Something happened to Rubio.
I mean, there's just it's almost if you do a
thought experiment on it and you look at the facts,
something inside that room behind closed doors on that day
shook him up and backed him off. And who knows,
it could have been, hey, we've got something on you.

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You really want this to come out, you know, because
they're they're not above using blackmail. It could have been
something like that. It could have been something so shocking
that he's just like, Okay, I'm I'm out of this one.
You guys do the best you can with it. But
he went into that room a very vocal proponent of
disclosure and he walked out of that room hasn't said

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much after it.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Which actually speaks louder it does to the mystery.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Then, you know, I've been bugging him for an interview,
but he was, you know, because a lot of these
guys don't want to talk to me anymore because they
know that they when you sit in front of my camera,
you're going to get asked the tough questions because I
know what to ask you, and so, you know, Accidental
Truth Next has some brand new interviews with some of
these people, but there's also some of them that have said, uh, yeah,

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not this time.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Well, let's jump really quickly into the next subject, which
would be drones. I definitely do want to miss this topic.
What do you think is going on? Are we seeing
legitimate illegal drone activity or are we just getting a

(25:31):
lot of misidentifications and or both?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well, you know, I think I've looked at this closely,
and I just did a session today with with Danny
Shehan's group about the drones, and I just finished a
half hour report.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
That we put on MUFON's YouTube channel.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
To me, the uh, this whole drone thing, okay, it's
it's probably not non human intelligence. It's it's certainly something
that the government knows about. I think what we're dealing
with here is a set of circumstances that have multiple explanations,
and you know, I hate to be a kill joy,
but it's like thirty percent misidentification, thirty percent mass hysteria,

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and maybe thirty percent mystery, and I leave ten percent
out there for whatever else. But I just I think
there's a prosaic explanation, and people just it's showing how
willing people are to just go to the far extreme
of what something would be without applying Okham's razor. You know,

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the most likely scenario is probably going to be the truth.
So we're not getting a straight answer, but it's it's
not going to be, you know, some earth shattering thing.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, we know that some debris allegedly was sent to
write Patterson Air Force Base from the Roswell crash. It's
interesting that of the bases that have been taunted by
these drones, military bases right Patterson actually shut closed their
airspace down for a while on December thirteenth, And they're

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the only one that I am aware of that actually
closed the airspace down. But you know, he near US
in New York, but near US in you know, Picatinny
and New Jersey. You know they've had incursions as well.
And then of course you have a base in England
and Germany. So this doesn't sound like like prosaic as in, yes,

(27:32):
a drone, but it sounds like there's there's some kind
of operation going on.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Possibly, But you know, you also have to have to
look at the bigger picture there.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Today.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
The big story is that China has bought all this
farmland around all these military bases, and you see all
these maps and it's it's it's actually pretty scary. It's
actually and that you know, all these bases are getting
drowning incursions. The airspace over the armory was allegedly closed

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by the FAA through December twenty sixth for air traffic
under one thousand feet for security reasons, so that you know,
this happened before the drone stuff. And then we have
a drone corridor from Delaware all the way into New
Jersey that has been set aside and designated as a
place to test drones by anybody who needs to test them.

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So there and then yeah, we've got the story about
missing radiological material. We've got the stories of the mysterious
orbs that seem to be accompanying the drones, which I
can't explains. That's where the ten percent mystery comes in,
because you know, that's an interesting aspect. But we also
have pictures of drones that are clearly airplanes. We have

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these stories of drones that are supposedly flying these patterns.
I have yet to see a video, a full length
video of the drone flying patterns. And I've definitely yet
to see a video of six drones all flying patterns
over an area. And we you know, who's this guy,
this cop that says, oh, fifty drones came in from

(29:09):
over the ocean, Well, you could whip out your phone
and catch that. What about the coastguard that got chased?
Where's the video from that? So at the end of
the day, we're hearing things and and that's where the
hysteria comes in.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
The proof of a lot of these elements of these.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Drone stories, I haven't seen it. I've just heard that.
You know, it's eyewitness accounts. You know, if i see
fifty drones coming in from over the ocean, and I'm
a law enforcement, highly trained individual, you damn right I'm
going to I'm going to get out my phone or
my camera and I'm going to capture that.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
There's no reason, there's no excuse. Yeah, and if you're well.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Of good videos out there that look legit to me.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Sure, there's a lot of videos out there, But have
you seen any Oh, there's six drones and they're flying
a pattern.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, have you seen that? No?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Have you have you seen all of the really? Oh,
the orb turned into a drone? Have you seen that?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I saw actually one of those videos, and I don't
think it's.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Real, right, exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
And there's another one that looks like the batplane flying
around that people are using, and that's already been proven
to be fake.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, So that bothers me so much because I see
people like UFO researchers and other people that will post that,
and I feel like they're doing it just for the views.
And that's fine if you qualify it and you say
I don't know what this is or I think this
is fake, but some of them just post it and
then people go crazy over it.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Like I said, I haven't seen anything the most extreme
elements of this story. I haven't seen anything that corroborates it.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Now. A couple of things that I did.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
See that were very interesting is some flight tracking data
that shows that we had a submarine hunter airplane flying
a search pattern or off the east coast just south
of the Jersey air That's, you know, something that's documented.
There was another airplane that was flying what appeared to
be a search pattern over land over northern New Jersey

(31:09):
and into the east of that, and that was flight
data that could be verified. But yeah, until I see
a series of obviously larger than normal drones that are
clearly not aircraft doing what people are saying they're going

(31:30):
to do, I'm just skeptical. And I think you know,
Moufon gets thousands and thousands of UFO reports, and out
of the one hundred and twenty eight one hundred and
thirty thousand reports we have in our files, ninety seven
percent are easily explainable. You know, we get when SpaceX
launches satellites the phones are ringing.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Off the hook. So it pays to be.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
It pays to be skeptical, and it pays to not
be attached to an outcome. I'm talking to very famous
journalists that are just like, no, it's not human intelligence,
and I'm like, you're a journalist.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
You're not supposed to say those things.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Journalism go hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Well, I mean I'm literally getting into philosophical arguments with
I'm not going to say who, but but let me
just say, uh, he's out there and everybody knows who
he is about what these things are. And I'm not
convinced at this point that they are anything significant to
the non human intelligence arena. I'm not saying that that's

(32:32):
not possible. I'm just saying that I haven't seen anything
that that really supports that where it couldn't support something else.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, And look, I mean I'm a field investigator myself,
and even recently I stopped the car and pulled over
and whipped out my camera because you know, we saw
something in the sky and I was going for a
moment there. I was like, oh my am I getting
a Am I getting a drone?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
You know, charter plane? But you know that's okay. But
but I think that there is definitely that excitement that
people they if they capture something, They're like, oh my gosh,
I've got it. I got a drone. And you look
at all these videos and it's an airplane it's a
charter plane. It's you know something else. I had someone
recently very close. Uh, was so excited and showed be
this video and they swore they got an orb and

(33:17):
really it was just light reflection fraction, you know, but
it was just those things kind of moving around in
the sky. But it didn't see that as he was
moving his camera. It was just a refraction of the
light on the house across the street. Interesting stuff though. Nonetheless,
well it's.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Just like that picture poor Lou put up there, you
know that he oh, yes, you know, it's like.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Oh my gosh. I really felt bad for him, because
I do believe he is. He is earnest and and
and authentic in his mission. I really do.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, but let's not let you see you hit the
nail right on the head. His mission and his mission
is to you know, he's still working. He's still performing
the role that he was designated to perform, rather he
knows it or not.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Uh And good point.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
All these guys, every every single person you see coming
through the military into the body politic or is part
of an orchestra.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And this is what I believe.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
People will argue this point, but I think that the
twenty seventeen thing was orchestrated at hidden levels, the materials
that all of it, it didn't happen organically, and it's
not happening organically now. We're being we're being delivered a show,
and some of the people that are helping to deliver
the show, they don't even know that they're delivering a show.

(34:39):
But in my opinion, they are.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Sure. And we can look at Brick Doty as an
example of, you know, someone who may have been being
used even though he thought he was on his own mission.
He may have been being used for some some ulteria motive.
Real quick, nardif Narveez is as here's another eyewitness. I
tried to film but it just looked black and no

(35:04):
light scene on my Android. What I saw was amazing.
And that's another problem, is that people are trying to
film these things, but they just they just can't capture
it in the way that they see it. I get
that all the time as an investigator, you know, and
even when they send in a video, you're looking at it,
You're like, I'm sorry, you know, there's just nothing here
that we can really work with. Sure, so are you

(35:27):
a move on?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Field investigator?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
H yeah in New York.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Oh awesome.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Okay, yeah, so good Darthy Hawkins, She says, let's see oop.
So I just skipped a question up here, a question, Okay,
would most experiences come with or without video experience evidence?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Well?

Speaker 3 (35:48):
You know what, that what your previous person posted that
we didn't ask. That's the story we hear all the time,
and you hear this too, I'm sure as an investigator.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Well, you know, I was just so.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Caught up in them, I didn't think to get out
my camera, or I tried to take pictures and it
wouldn't photograph. You know, when we start to look at
the broader picture and we start to realize that there's,
you know, this whole consciousness element of it that nobody's
talking about right now, then yeah, you can start thinking about, well, yeah,
maybe I saw it with my own eyes, but it

(36:20):
didn't show up on my phone. Maybe what I saw
and what my phone captured are two completely different things.
Maybe my own subjective reality is creating something for me
that other people would never even look up and see. So,
you know, we could go into that quagmire, which we
do in the new film quite deeply, but it just

(36:41):
broadens the discussion to something that really just makes you
question your whole reality.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, and rich to your point, Dorothy later
on says, plenty of experiences throughout my long life, but
no video or photo evidence. Too quick and too shocking
to think ahead. And then that's to your point exactly. Uh,
you know you hear this from like Neil deGrasse Tyson.
You know, like we have billions of phones on the planet. Now,

(37:08):
you know, how are we not capturing this? And oh,
the one you have the human behavior and reaction factors,
but then two, I think you're dealing with the sentient
something or other if this, if it is indeed that
you know, whether it's human or extraterrestrial, you know, they
clearly don't want to be seen unless they want to
be seen, or at least that's how I interpret it.

(37:29):
What about you?

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, and you know they have a sense of humor
and they communicate in their own ways with people in
different ways. Yeah, you know, so this is a whole
other aspect of this that demands attention At this point.
I remember saying, after Accidental Truth came out, what was
going to be next with as far as the next

(37:53):
leap forward? And I said, then, and I'm saying it
even more now. Experiencers are going to have their day.
There's too much, too much data that is piling up
to continue to discount this. And I'll tell you, if
you go up to Capitol Hill and you sit in
an office with a congress person and you start talking
about legacy programs and crash retrievals and military encounters, they're

(38:16):
with you, But as soon as you start talking about
the experience or phenomenon, their eyes glaze over. They're not
ready to have that discussion yet. And you know, that's
what's really unfortunate about this is that it's taken us
this long. You know, look at how long Steve Bassett's
been at it. We've all been doing this to get
certain members of Congress to really be like, yeah, this

(38:37):
is real, and to be a little indignant at being
lied to. But this whole big bureaucratic machine that like
Chris and Lou talk about navigating it in the book,
Guys like me don't care about the bureaucratic machine. I'm
gonna knock on doors until somebody talks to me, and
then I'm going to tell them what I know.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
But I.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Don't have to nurture these relationships, and I don't have
to play inside this kind of cage the these front
facing guys that are coming out of government have to
be in, so I don't have to be accountable for that.
But it also tends to create situations where you know,
I might I might get the interview, I might get

(39:19):
the question, but I might not get invited back. And
so you know, we're all attacking it from different angles.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
But yeah, I mean, if you get the interview, you
got to go for it. You just have to, you know,
because if you don't get that chance again for whatever reason,
it's not worth trying to play it too safe.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Right Well, you know, at the end, at the end
of the day, getting the answers and getting getting to
the people that might be able to help, that's really
what it's all about. And so, yeah, I can't pick
up the phone and make a phone call and get
so and so to interview me or to sit with me,
because I'm not part of that click. You know, we have,

(39:55):
we have what we call, but I've come to call
and I'm going to outline this a lot in the
next movie. These guys are what I refer to as
men in a box. And what I mean by that
is just take a second and think about this. Say
you read in one of these programs, say you're somebody
that's done reverse engineering stuff, you know, on on craft,

(40:16):
and you know about all this stuff, and you've basically
been told you can't tell anybody, not even your family.
If you do, you could lose everything, including your pension.
You're you're you're literally literally your life. You could even
end up in jail.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
So you're trapped.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
And this is this is what your life becomes. You're
this person that has to live with this knowledge and
the agony of not being able to just how many
of these guys do you think want to just run
and shout and say yeah, right in there and they
can't and it's a horrible place to be. And and
you know how put Off talks about this in James

(40:57):
Fox's new film in the program, and you know, we're
kind of I did Accidental Truth, you did the program,
I'm going to do the next one. Were kind of
what would we say informally? Yeah, we're kind of hopscotching
each other, not like we sat down and had that conversation.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
That's just how it's working out.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I purposely delayed Accidental Truth next to make sure that
that I wasn't making his movie, and so that's how
that happened.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
But have you seen anything with James.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Film or oh, yeah, I saw it before it came out.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
What's your impression.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
I think it's uh, there's a couple of things in
it that I'm not too sure about, I questioned Jason Sands.
There's a lot of things in it that were If
you watch Accidental Truth, a lot of a lot of
it was just repeated, which I found a little discouraging,
but it is what it is. So yeah, I mean

(42:01):
I had liked James. We've been friends for a long time.
He was at my house the night the phenomena came out,
and so I hope that the I hope the program
does well and he deserves it.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, do you think that there is an alien abduction
phenomena that they're legitimate? Because I know, move on. You know,
you have the start team and people take it seriously,
what about you.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
There is definitely all kinds of contact with non human
intelligence that is happening to people, So alien abductions, you know,
the spiritually transformative experiences, angelic, demonic encounters. I've come to
ascertain that perhaps these things are all linked through what

(42:51):
I would call the process that makes them possible.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
So, in other words, the reasoning.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Behind having an encounter with a demonic being, so to speak,
or an encounter or board an alien craft or you're
you're called, or just you know, telepathic communication, the thing
that could that makes those things work is probably related phenomenon.

(43:17):
It all has to do with consciousness, nature, reality, how
we can get beyond that. There's an underlying there's an
underlying similarity that has to do with consciousness. And then
you know our people being nuts and bolts subducted by
beings and taken onto ships and experimented with genetically.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Et cetera.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
That's quite possible because I'm one of those people who
thinks that there's a lot of different non human intelligent
life forms that are aware and interacting with us, and
they all have a different agenda, and they're all here
for a different reason. So I won't discount any of that. Okay,
there's something else to think about, alan And this is
really cool if you if you look what happened with

(44:00):
Chris Bledsoe. He was a guy who was having these
encounters with these orbs and these communications, and he was
brought into some highly classified stuff and hanging out with
the A team. You know, I mean, when you're this
guy in the in the woods in North Carolina seeing
orbs and all of a sudden you're traveling around with
how put off in John Alexander. Something's going on. And

(44:24):
I think that there is a concerted governmental effort in
some of these covert programs to find people that are
having these communications experiences, because in order to interact with
some of this technology, you have to have that gift.
So some people are read in and brought into programs.
And I also think that there's something to the whole

(44:45):
My Labs thing where some people are actually subjected to
these experiences that could very well be part of an
operation by human beings to to bring them in and
test them.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
But the thing with with Chris Bloodsoe, it's really gone
very deep into the whole demonic thing. And you know,
I just I don't know, is Chris Bledsoe on a
track where what was a real phenomena has now turned
into some kind of embellishment, not not that he's intentionally

(45:20):
being deceptive, but kind of almost deluding himself.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Well, here's the thing about Chris. You know, I've heard
people say those things, and I like Chris and him
and I have had some conversations. But the thing that
really strikes me the most about his story is that
before anybody knew who Chris Bledsoe was, he was involved
at the very highest levels in some of this classified stuff.

(45:46):
These guys that are the people who know more about
what's going on with these phenomena than we do brought
him in with open arms, and all of them speak very.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Highly of him.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
So what he is in count or to me, has
a legitimacy that you can't fake. And then as far
as you know his own personal interpretation of this, it
really boils down to your belief systems. And that's what
we're seeing across all of the that. You know, there's
people that say, oh, it's angels and demons and we

(46:18):
shouldn't mess with it, and then you have people saying, no,
there's all kinds of non human intelligence. It's all different
kinds of consciousness. And I'm of the mode that we
should all just get along because it's probably all of
the above. And so, especially if you go back into
history and you look at interactions with demons and angels.
Well that's what we called them, then that's it could

(46:40):
be the same thing.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
So it could just be modern people interpreting this phenomena
just the way people did.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
They're interpreting it through their filters and and and you know,
before Chris was being visited by orbs and having these
unusual encounters, he was a deeply religious human being and
he still is. And so he's going to have that interpretation,
and he believes that there's a spiritual element of what

(47:07):
he's going through and what's happening and what he's seen happen,
because he says that, you know, there's definitely been miracles.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
So again, it's consciousness is subjective.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
So Chris's experiences and his connection to this broader non
human intelligence, I believe has been totally proven and validated
by the company that.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
He's kept over the years.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
And then you know how he's interpreting it and how
he believes that it should be communicated to the masses.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
That's his prerogative. Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
In the film Accidental Truth, what do you hope people
walk away with? But what's the most important theme?

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Well, you know, at the end of the day, Accidental
Truth was a story about legacy programs and materials. What
I really tried to lay out is that we're being
told starting in twenty seventeen, an exact carbon copy almost
of the same exact thing that was rolled out by
military and politicians back in the fifties. And the mission

(48:17):
that they have is that, yeah, we're going to have
to have some kind of disclosure because sooner or later
we're not going to be able to keep hiding it.
But we have to do it in such a way
that we don't have to be accountable for all the
things we've done, and so accidental truth is there to
prove that a significant part of history is being whitewashed,

(48:38):
and to call people's attention to the fact that we're
being lied to. The disclosure that we're getting is not
disclosure and that we really need. We're not going to
know the truth until we can successfully pull the band
aid off of everything from the thirties moving forward and
even going back into all of recorded history. You know,

(48:58):
Danny Shehan has petition in the Vatican numerous times to
come off what they know. They have historical records of
interaction with non human intelligence going back to before we
had writing.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Well, I mean, Diana Walsh has had access there, right,
So what what does does she know? Do you think
she knows more than she's already written about? Is there
like an archive of mind blowing material there?

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I'm not familiar with Diana Walsh.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Is that her name?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
I think? Am I saying it wrong?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (49:36):
She's a Theollugian. Gosh, what's the name of her book
I just just had in front of me.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Sorry, I'm looking at us.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Oh no, it's okay, but she she had written her book.
I can't remember the name right now. I have to
look it up really quick.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Oh okay, yeah, we're talking about the same person.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
But you're talking about Diana Pasolka Pasila.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Her middle name is wash Okay, yeah, I'm like, I
haven't heard of that person. But look, we don't know
what to what to think from her. There's been a
couple of things that have been that she said that
other people have refuted, and so I don't have an opinion.
I don't know enough about her work. I haven't read
her book, so I'm not going to say anything. But

(50:19):
nobody is waltzing into the Vatican and getting all access
to everything they have nobody and so, and if she was,
she would be able to tell us a lot of things,
because we know that that that they've got, they've got
these historical archives.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yeah, yeah, it was American Cosmic was the book that
I was talking about. It's a good read, Ron, if you.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Get a check, I'll check it out for sure.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah. Actually, that's a really good question I have for you. Then,
what is a really necessary book to read if you
are interested in ufology, book that others recommend?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
You know, I get to ask that question all the time.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
And when I made Accidental Truth, I tried to make
that movie that in ninety minutes you could get a
feel for the whole topic. So some people were annoyed
because there was information they already knew, and some people
were thankful that it laid it out for him. But
you know, Richard Dolan's books UFOs and the National Security
State series absolute mustads. I think that that's a great

(51:23):
place to start.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, Okay, last thoughts, Ron, what would you leave us
with what regarding all of your research the topic, what's
the most important thing you can think of?

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Gosh, there's so much you know at the end of
the day that Okay, so the most important thing. And
I'm struggling with this for just a second, but I
know what I want to say. The UFO UAP question
is only scratching the surface of the questions we should
be asking. And it's quite possible that things like crop circles,

(52:03):
things like these things appearing in our sky, things like
the experience or phenomenon, if we're living in a simulated reality,
which I'm totally convinced we are. I'll explain more about
that in the film, but just by the very definition
of how the universe works, it is a simulation. It
is a program energy based manifestation of physical matter. So

(52:28):
all of these things are really not more than anything
more than part of a program. So when we're saying,
are they coming from Mars? Are they time travelers? Are
they this? Are they that? The answer is probably all
of the above and none of the above. At the
same time, the question that we should be asking is
what is this set phenomena here to show us about

(52:52):
our own existence and the nature of the reality that
we're in and our true essence of who and what
we are.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
That's the question.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
So, you know, debating about the different types of aliens
and blah, blah blah, that's all part of the program
inside the game. But what if they're really here to
call attention to.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
The fact that this is a game.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Well, Ron, like you're You're totally on board one thousand percent.
So I've been thinking about this for a while.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Sure my fear.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
My thought is what if disclosure is actually pulling that thread,
and that the government's so afraid of disclosure that because
then we'll end up pulling that thread to find out
that we are in some kind of simulation. And that
is just that that to me is almost almost justifiable,

(53:48):
almost you know, I can understand because people would panic
and freak out. But then at the same time, if
you are religious and you believe in a creator, then
that creator created this reality, which is that dissimilar from
the idea of a simulation.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Well, look, here's the thing. All of our religions, pretty
much everyone, even going into Native American traditions, say that
this reality is an illusion and allude to the idea
that we are spiritual creatures having a human experience. So
the idea that we're living in an illusion, there's nothing
new about that. It's been taught to us since we
were able to learn the idea that Okay, so that's

(54:26):
all true, but then there has to be a mechanism
by which this works. And we have energetics, we have mathematics,
we have the you know, we have all of these
elements that we're even beginning with our own computing power
to be able to create convincing artificial realities. So, I
mean it stands to reason people they resist the idea

(54:48):
because when you say, oh, we're in a simulation, they
immediately picture a bunch of people jacked into the matrix
like in the film. I'm sure that's not how it is,
at least on some level. But yeah, the that's really
where it's all at. And there are people in this
simulation that have a pretty good thing controlling and running
others and taking all the resources and enslaving their fellow

(55:11):
souls and their fellow humans. So there is a I'm
sure a high motivation to keep the illusion going because
the people that have the power to give us this
knowledge are also the people that are benefiting the most
from us not having it.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I have to say, just rogue the host of Escape
the simulation. Hees to just comment exclamation simulation that she's
standing by it.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Hey, it's going to reach out to me. I'd like
to interview her for the film. There's some very interesting
characters that are coming forth in Accidental Truth Next. And
you know, in the first movie, we went through the
nuts and bolts of the political processes, we went through
the nuts and bolts of materials, studies and programs, and
then we started touching on Gary Nolan's discoveries about the

(56:00):
basil ganglia and its ability to interact with with things
that we can't see. So the whole thing just took
a right turn and went in Accidental Truth Next, We're
doing that on steroids.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's awesome. I'm very excited about that.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
You're gonna you're gonna start off wanting to see a
new UFO documentary and you're gonna walk away shaking your head,
maybe for weeks.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
But but you know, I've interviewed Gary and I've spoken
to him, you know, off the record, and he goes
in that direction. He is drawn to that. It's like
it's like he is sensing something his scientific you know,
I is drawn to it, and I hope, I hope
that's a thread that we do get the pull and
find out.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Ron.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Thank you so much for being on tonight. I really
really appreciate it. Thanks one last time everyone. If you
want to check out an Accident The Accidental Truth, it
is on to be I watched it on Roku myself.
It's on multiple platforms, so please go check it out.
And uh yeah, Ron is a part of MoveOn. It's

(57:02):
something that I'm proud to be a part of as well.
So if you are interested in MoveOn, go to move
on dot com and check out everything it does.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Hey, it's still the best, oldest and largest organization studying
the topic. There's a lot of people trying to suck
up UFO reports right now, which is very discouraging because
we have this database that we share with the world,
and now there's private companies out there advertising, oh, report
your UFO to us, where they're taking that data, they're
hoarding it and they're monetizing it, and they're making it

(57:31):
really hard for us to maintain a quality database because
now the data is getting diluted. So when you're trying
to figure out where to report a UFO, it's no enigma.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Call move on, move on and move On's got boots
on the ground.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
We've got boots on the ground.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Distinction yes, yes, all right, thank you so much, Ron,
and you know I'm sure I won't see you. So
happy happy New Year's and happy holidays to you and
yours brother. Thank you all right, and thank you everybody
for joining us. This is the last episode of the year,
so happy holidays to you and yours and have a happy,

(58:08):
wonderful new year. I'll see you in twenty twenty five.
As a friendly reminder, this podcast, Coffee and UFOs streams
on the YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash Mystic Lounge
and as a rebroadcast on the UNEX Network Thursday's eleven
pm Pacific time, Friday mornings two am Eastern Time. Until
next time. Everyone, thank you again for all of your

(58:30):
comments and all of your support. I really appreciate it.
If you can go out there rate comment wherever you
listen to podcasts or right here on YouTube, I would
greatly appreciate it. Okay, peace and love all, and I'll
see you on the flip side.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
It's good to be in personally, and I wish more
of us would think of ourselves that way.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
And I don't have a problem with skeptics, some some
bunkers that are on some other level that I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Especially an inference of a change in local gravity. Saucer
shaped craft and they're hovering over the water.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Blue Book Special Report fourteenth.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
The better the quality of the sighting, the more likely
to be unexplainable,

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