UFOs, Energy, Sobriety! Dedee Pfeiffer on Life’s Mysteries and Addiction Recovery

Joining me for a caffeinated chat is Dedee Pfeiffer - award winning actor and producer, addiction recovery advocate, and star of the recent ABC series Big Sky. Nothing is off the table including UFOs, ethereal visitations, metaphysical musings, the stigma of sharing paranormal experiences, and merging the mystical with recovery and wellness. Dedee shares her personal experience with the paranormal; and we discuss why we think UFOs can play a role in one's outlook on life.  https://www.instagram.com/dedeepfeifferofficial 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
However you are and whenever you are, welcome back to
Coffee and UFOs. Tonight's really special night. I'm very excited
about my guest, d D. Pfeiffer, who will be on
in just a moment. She is an award winning actor, producer,
and addiction recovery advocate and activist, and we have a

(00:33):
lot to cover tonight. We're gonna cover the gamut of
all things integrated into the UFO, mystique, mystery, metaphysics, and
just living life.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
She's a really, really powerful voice.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
In the world of recovery as well, So if that's
something that's important to you, stay with us, because we'll
definitely get into that in just a moment. As a
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of you. So let's get right to it and bring

(01:30):
on our special guests. Did he fighter?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Hi? How are you? And thank you for having me?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, cheers, thank you. I've got my coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, I know it's a little lfe for me between coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well you are you previously were a big coffee drinker,
right or.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
The biggest coffee drinker? And yeah, it comes from being
sober almost seven years as you know. Yeah, it goes
through my blood like my veins. But I ran out
of my cashew cream, but I like to use in it,
so I had to go to Poppy. But yeah, I'm

(02:12):
a big coffee drinker.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
How is the cashew cream? I don't think I've ever
tried that.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, I'm making it from scratch. Now. You get one
of those mucal things and I just soak the nuts
and you put it in there with water and it
makes like nut milk. And so I'm like, okay, this
is really cool. And I'm just trying to bring down
some of the you know, like can we cuss on
this podcast?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
This is free speech?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Here. Yes, I don't encourage it. I mean, listen, I
was like, okay, I got sober. I'm not going to
die from alcoholism. So then I had to smoking. So
I said, well, now you're going to die from one came.
Now I'm going to die from all the ship that's
in the food that I eat. So I'm like, oh god.

(02:56):
So I'm slowly trying to clean it up a little
bit as I fer.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I want to talk about all that and in just
a little bit. But I am really curious. Where did
your interest in UFOs come from.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, it's funny that you, you and I mentioned like
sobriety and coffee and then UFOs paranormal, supernatural, the unknown. Well,
I'm going to say it's something that I have never
been resistant to. I was not I wasn't brought up
with it around me in any way. So it what,

(03:33):
it didn't come from there. But when I think, honestly,
when I read uh the Communion, Yeah yeah, when I
read that, something clicked like for me, I knew it
just I knew across the board that this gentleman was
telling the truth. Like I It went to my very

(03:56):
core of who I am, and I just went on
my Merry Way. I was living in Orange County, and
I'm not even sure how old I was, but I
just remember going that profoundly moved me. But then that
was it, really And then when I got sober almost
seven years ago, was when I started to become more
enlightened and clear headed, forsaken of a better.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Word, but also enlightened.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
You know, when I's just want to clarify, it's not
doesn't mean you're saying like you're you've hit a constant
state of nirvana, but you're enlightened right that that you
kind of see things better, you understand yourself better.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Or when I was drinking and stuff, I was running,
and I was always in you know, often it's fear, right,
Fear is something that we're all riddled with in somewhere
or not another. And then there was undiagnosed trauma, just
a whole bunch of stuff going on. When I finally
got sober, I was able to peel the onion and
realize who my authentic self really was all along, but

(04:53):
that I was running from so there in lot then
it was all of a sudden, my curiosity just took
off like crazy. It didn't matter what I heard or saw.
I was like, I believe that. I believe that, and
then I started to sink back, even when I was drinking,
although sober, in the time it happened, I had an

(05:14):
out of life, out of body experience. I wrote it
off as well, I don't know, I don't know how
to write it off. I just went, that was really weird.
And I told my sister the next day that I
was sleeping sober, I have to say that, and I
just lifted above my body and I looked down at

(05:35):
myself and said, I'm not ready yet and went back
into my body. And I did that like two three times.
And then I woke up, which is weird because I
have to say I was already awake, but tears just
came out of my face, out of nowhere. And I
remember sitting in my bed in Hollywood, going, no one
is going to believe that that just happened, but I

(05:58):
know it just happened. That was not a dream. And
then at that moment something had shifted. And then things
started to happen to me, like I could walk into
a room and get like all the hair would just
stand up on my body and something would feel off
and I couldn't tell you why. I'm one of the happiest,
cheeriost people you'll meet, but I'd be like, oh, did

(06:19):
you buy this house? Oh?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I love it?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It's really whoa, what's up with? And they're like, why
is Detie freaking out?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
And so this was did you have a little bit
of this before the out of body or only afterwards?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
I probably did, but I wasn't listening to it. What
I wrote it off as, Oh, I'm probably hormonal on
my period or the guy I was dating. You know,
I was up crying the night before. You know, you
should write that stuff off, and not listening, not being mindful.
I wasn't like looking back, there was a lot of times.
I'm sure I was extremely like sensitive to that because

(06:55):
I would then find out somebody had passed in that house,
and my sister look over and being how did you
know that? And I go, I didn't know that. I
just knew somebody. There's an energy going on. I can't
put my finger on it, but it's it's really like
affecting me, and not in a negative way. It was
more like we're not alone in this room. So then

(07:18):
it took me years later this happened a few times
where again even I started to go, there's something that's
so weird that I'm that I'm doing that, going into
a room and all of a sudden, getting these feelings.
And then I got sober, like I said, And then
went to New Mexico working on Big Sky, and New

(07:39):
Mexico is a hotbed of energy and you know, and
all that Mexico right, you know, And so I was
joking with the crew and the cast, Hey, listen, you
see something, you know what's going on. I'm all over it,
like I'm so open to all of that, and I
would love to have an experience or talk to someone

(08:01):
who has, because I really think there's validity in it.
And then out of nowhere, one night, I was lying
on the couch and I looked out the window and
it was clear and there were stars, and I saw
a fuzzy ball floating through the sky. And this is
what you do the first time you see one. You go,
wait a minute, Okay, that's not a plane. That's my

(08:22):
helicopter of that. It's not a drone. I can feel it.
And it was energy. It wasn't a thing. And then
I thought, oh, go get your phone, no one's going
to believe you, but I couldn't. I wanted to just
experience it. And then it just disappeared and I waited.
I said, Okay, it's going to come back, but there's
no clouds. I don't know where it went and never

(08:43):
came back. But I sat there again and I thought,
no one's gonna believe me, and I don't care. And
I looked out in the sky and I said, thank
you for showing yourself to me. I loved I just
loved you whatever you are. I just said, hey, neighbor.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
You know why I had a similar experience was it
was years ago. I was on a on a bus
and you know, we were I was very much UH
on the border of during the period when I was
still doing psychedelics, and I was very much into Alex Gray,
who has the an art gallery here in UH in
New York City, and so I was kind of very

(09:25):
in tune with like that the psychoon state of mind
and and UFOs and aliens and all that kind of stuff.
And I'm running on this bus and I had this
thought in my mind. It just popped into my mind.
It wasn't like like a CEE five where I was
like really focusing on it. You know, I just I
just thought that would be really cool if I could
see you, you know, UFO. And then all of a sudden,

(09:46):
like a light just kind of appears and then goes away,
and I'm like, what now, So here's the thing, because
I you know, I had to have the skeptical side,
Like it was a hazy night, so I'm thinking, what
was that?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like a plane? And I just looks like it was
a UFO glowing orb.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
It was just the timing was uncanny, and it did
feel like, I don't know, there was something.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
There's a feeling that comes over you. And those who've
had experiences or any kind of brush up with it. Supernatural,
I will include supernatural, have more supernatural experiences that are unexplained.
That's another thing. I paranormal, supernatural and unexplained.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's all supernatural is. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah, Personally, I think they all blend together beautifully and
they're all very linked. And I think that it's no
coincidence that at an older age I got sober and
become more enlightened with my spirituality, and all of a sudden,
I it wasn't looking for things that are paranormal. Supernatural
or unexplained. I wasn't looking for them. They came to me.

(10:52):
They presented themselves to me, and I finally was in
a place where I wasn't afraid and went, okay, this
is really bit. Okay, yes, I have a peace side
behind me. I said it. This is so cool, and
all of a sudden, life for me took a huge turn,
and I went, there's a lot I don't know, and
there's a lot I want to find out. And it

(11:13):
goes hand in hand with history. You know, if you
go back the Egyptians and all the findings right now
with the archaeology finds, and you know there were were.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Pushing back of history.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And yeah, so people like are saying, oh, we're learning
about these these these things, and I I have a
tendency to believe that we're remembering these things because I
think by design, man, I say, man, women, all days,

(11:47):
we've been strategically pulled away from knowing because if you
really just connect with ones I call the penal gland.
Because Joe, doctor Joe Despenza, when I went seven days
to be able to learn how to really meditate, to
literally open up that.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Third eye, Well, did you work with with Spenza.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I didn't work with my win to one of his
seven day retreats. Over a thousand people there, and let
me tell you, you've never felt energy than you have
in a room full of people who all are connected,
and we all know and we believe we're connected. I
can't sit and do anything for a minute because I
got I'm like hyper as hell, and this man had
me meditating. If you can believe this for an hour

(12:29):
at a.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Time, back, that's hard. That it's not easy.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
But here's what's weird. I wasn't in I don't know
where I went, and it felt like ten minutes and
we weren't on anything. I mean, you're not you know,
you can't be on anything. This is not that retreat.
This retreat is about activating your penal gland pineal gland.
Right that that third place, and he brings an end.
It's hard to explain. All I know is from there. Uh,

(13:00):
this seems to be more and more answers to my
questions and as to where we came from, where we're going,
why we're here. And then all of a sudden this
question came to me and it was like this close
hand in hand with when I saw in New Mexico
that beautiful orb energy ball. I said thank you, because

(13:20):
all of a sudden, I realized, what's my purpose in life?
Why is my soul in this body in this lifetime?
And if I don't know that answer, I better find
it out. It's too late. See how life all of
a sudden from being interested in the unknown and interested
in possible other lives, your life means something different if

(13:41):
you choose for it too. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Choice is a huge part of it.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
It goes it's me. I know it's deep.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Do you believe in like a discarnate soul that comes
into the body or like, is this something more abstract?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well? I think that. Well, we're all each of us
has a soul. That's it, right, we each have a soul.
Like I always say, you have a body, you are
a soul, and I think your soul has this body
in this lifetime. Now. But here's the crazy thing is
we're all energy, So we're all connected.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Technically when you get down to it.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, right, if you really keep peeling back that onion
and keep going back to and you're going to run
into history and it keeps going back, and it keeps wimming,
and they all say the same thing, that there is
something higher and bigger than us, and you can certainly
call that whatever you want them never never ever step
on anyone's religion or their beliefs. Yet, I like my
higher power. If you want to go there is Mother Earth,

(14:44):
and if you really want to go, there the galaxy,
the universe and all of them. Because it's all energy.
And guess what, news slash bigger and stronger than me.
I'm a little I'm a little piece of that energy
that keeps you humble. It keeps you very humble, because
I think when you're from a place of gratitude and

(15:05):
humbleness is when you're able to be open to the
ideas of things that we were not taught as children, like, hey,
there might be other life forms out there, and it's
not a scary thing. I mean, if you're taught, it's
a scary thing and it's going to scare the shit
out of you, right, But if you're taught that's classic condition.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Well, there are some people that are religious and believe
that UFOs are demons, and so they were taught to be.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Scared of them.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
The hybrid. I got to tell you, I'm open minded.
I'm like, I can see that. I tell everyone my
sister Michelle, she looks like a hybrid. She looks like
a Palladian. If you've seen her eyes, they're far apart.
She's blue, she looks. I always tell her she's a hybrid,
and she looked like a hybrid when she was a baby.
I swear she looks nothing like my mom, and dad
looks like my dad, but the coloring, she looks like
a Palladian. If I didn't know better, I mean, I'd

(15:52):
say my sister hybred.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I can accuse them.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
All the time because I'm like girl, Now, I have
rh negative blood, which you know, very very that's very rare,
very rare. And if you think about it, what's that about?
Because do you know that I a shot when I

(16:19):
had babies, because if my blood got into the baby's
blood and vice person would kill each other. Now, a
species are supposed to pro create, so how can we
there's last few of us have this blood type that
doesn't If you were back in the time and you
didn't get that shot, one of us could have died
with blood. With the blood.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, well, understanding is that the rich negative sort of
popped up out of out of nowhere, seemingly in the
in the in the tree of life.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Here, it's interesting they say it pop. Is that what
they're saying popped up? Or is it left over from
Maybe that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I thought that it was something that kind of, you know,
just manifested, you know, genetically.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Did you just hear that?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I didn't Yeah, was that you? I don't think so.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Okay, that wasn't me. I'm not moving and I don't Okay,
that was really awesome.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Okay, this is there's something we should be aware of.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Mere Kimberly. I was on a podcast with her. I
never met her before. Okay, here we go, here we go.
She has her own her own podcast and I was on.
I never met her before, and my friend Kenny channeled
himself through her and told me to get my right
hip looked at and I thought, what, how did this
woman know that my right hip is chronically in pain.
It's been going for years. And I'm like, yeah, yeah,

(17:40):
I'll deal with it later, right, I had like bone
on bone, I had major hip problems. But it gets better.
Out of a thousand years how many years she's been
doing it. She never had technical issues when I was on.
She had major technical issues when I was on. She
she's with the mic, she would. So all of these

(18:01):
things happened that had never happened. And I said, my
friend Kenny is very frisky. He's very and he's come
to me in many ways. Because when he was passing away,
when he was leaving his body in the nineties from AIDS,
I said, dude, when you go to the other side,
let me know you're okay. I just need to know
you're okay. And he said, bitch, I'm gonna come and

(18:21):
smack you on the side of the head when you're
walking down Hollywood Boulevard and you're gonna being Stepa Kenny,
Stepha Kenny, and no one's going to be around you,
and they're gonna think you're crazy. And I said, do it.
I don't care. I know that you're welcome. We've done
things that my family said. Now, d d I'm like,
I'm telling you again. I know it's you want me
tell you one of the most profound things he's done. Sure, yeah, okay,

(18:45):
so you know how when you go to sleep, Okay.
He he left his body in a home in Santa
Barbara was his boyfriend. We were very close. Kenny and
I were very very very very close. And anyways, when
he passed, I was laying in this bed in their house.

(19:05):
He called it the Queen's quarters because he always liked
to spoil me because like I said, I was a
good sister. And there were all these pillows around me,
and each pillow there had to have been twenty five
thirty pillows. There were small, different shapes, different sizes, the
whole thing. So that night he had left his body.

(19:26):
Two days before that, I was there with his with Bobby,
his significant other, and I walked through the bathroom. I
stepped in water with my socks. Major pet peeve of mine.
I cannot standing. Oh, it drives me crazy. So I
went into the bed and took took them off. They

(19:47):
were his socks I had borrowed from him. They're men's
tube socks, so you know, they rolled down into a ball,
and I took them off and I threw them on
the side of the bed. I climbed into the bed,
put all the pillows around me, slipped my hand out
and shut the light off, but put all the pillows
around me because I wanted to feel like he was
around me, and I put my hands back under the covers,

(20:12):
and I was very still, and I just remember closing
my eyes and then literally wake opening my eyes. As
you know, have you ever slept so hard or you
open your eyes and you're in the same spot that
I was, in the same spot. I felt like I
had not moved my body, and I moved my feet

(20:33):
and the socks were on my feet, they were dry,
and not one pillow had been moved around me. Now
I laid there going you are you? Are you kidding me?
And I went, Kenny, what? And then I said, oh

(20:57):
my god, I love you. Thank you. Now it's legit.
They're never going to believe this, because what happened was
when I got out of bed, all the pillows went
to the side and all over. So either he did
this or I got up out of the bed in
the dark, in the sleep, found the socks, put them

(21:21):
back on my feet, climbed back into the bed, got
into the same spot, and put all those pillows back
around me exactly the same in the dark, and never
woke up.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Now, no, I am open to this sort of thing
of you know, talk to many people, people who are
paranormal investigators who've had odd experiences that you know, can
actually be very physical in the manifestation.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
For me, I tend to look at I'm leaning right now,
you know. Last you know, last month, I was into
the virtual reality scenario. Right now, I'm thinking the simulation hypothesis.
Now I'm thinking a little bit of towards the panpsychism philosophy,
you know, where like the consciousness is a fundamental force

(22:11):
of reality, no different than time or gravity, and that
each of us we are sort of like like spikes
of that or like little the waves in the ocean. Yeah,
we're all at an extension. You know, consciousnes is manifesting
itself in a way. Absolutely, you're an individual, but you're

(22:31):
connected at the same time.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Exactly. I'm one hundred percent of a believer in that,
because that's why I say we're all connected, yet we
each have our own consciousness and we have our own
souls because I do think that, you know, I to me,
it makes sense that that this is not it, that
there was something before my soul got into this little

(22:54):
deed or do body when I was born, and then
I'm gonna end up going somewhere after done with this body.
I believe that, because then life makes sense. Then it's
like while I'm here, if we sit quiet enough and
open your minds enough, the answers will come to you.
Why the hell you're here? And I don't know what
that is for each and every person, but when you

(23:14):
discover what it is, life is really exciting and there's
no stopping you. And mine is certainly helping people, helping animals,
and also leaning into not being fearful of other life forms.
Because here's what we're having trouble here on earth, accepting
each other for being different. How the hell are we
supposed to expect except someone in a universe if we

(23:39):
can't even accept somebody from another country. So to me,
we're like little baby embryos the man's mankind, and that
we have an opportunity to get it right. We do
in this lifetime, maybe the next one, but either way,
we have an opportunity to learn, to get to get along,
learn to be tolerant, learn to that life has to

(24:02):
be more about yourself your materials. Look shit, you know,
it has to be more about outside yourself, because that's frequency,
that's energy and love. I'm sorry, here's what it is.
Look behind me. Love is always more powerful than hate.
It doesn't always feel like that, but it is always.
It's when we lose sight of that is we get,

(24:23):
you know, hope. So I've always said to my sons, listen,
the day that I get taken, I'm somewhere to another
planner universe. I might be gone for a few hours.
Don't worry about it. I'll be back. And they were like,
oh God, my mother is insane. And I said, but I.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Feel like you could convince them to bring it back.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
I believe that, you.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Know, well, I just I know that, like, well, here's
the beauty of it. When you don't believe in death, Yeah,
you're no longer afraid of life, because then you're like,
oh right. And for me anyways, because when I thought,

(25:06):
when I hadn't really thought about that, when I thought, well,
death is really scary. That's like the end, and I thought, ah,
and this is where things started to come to me,
more supernatural experiences. And when I was oh, my gosh,
I had something. Now I don't know if it was something.

(25:26):
It could have been paranormal. Now I think about it.
In the house in New Mexico where I was staying
with my son. We had a cockatoo cat and a
dog at that time, and I kept seeing something wished
by me in the kitchen and I looked and think, oh,
it's a cat. Didn't think anything of it. A couple
of days later it happens again. I look, and this
time I thought, wait a minute. I thought, I just

(25:50):
saw the cat in the bedroom. So I went and
sure there was nothing in the room. I said, what went?
What just ran by me? And then sure enough the
cat was still in the bedroom, sleeping in the raw,
which is a hundred and two hundred pounds. It wasn't her.
I would have seen her. So it happened again. I'm
cooking and something around to the kids in and I'm like,
and there's nothing there. It was like an animal on

(26:12):
the ground, I would say, right. So I went in
to my son and he's very pragmatic nineteen, and I said,
I want to ask you a question and do not
brush me off, and I just want a serious answer.
And he goes, oh god, what I said, Just answer me.
Have you been seeing anything in your purfle vision? Run by?
And then you look and nothing's there? And he said, oh,

(26:33):
that's weird. They mentioned that he said something ran I
thought ran in front of me the other day and
I almost tripped. And then when I realized, I thought
it was Lenny the cat and it wasn't, and I
went he was No, Mom, I'm not going to the
crazy train with you. I'm not going there. I just
didn't sleep well the night before I was under slept.
I went, uh huh, uh huh. And then I found

(26:55):
out that this the little village I was staying in,
had more than a few shs come in for the
residents because there's lots of energy, lots of energies that
are still there. I call the owner of the house
and said, do you have a little energy in the house,
And I promise you I won't run. I want to
know because I want to welcome it. And then well, yeah,
but it's friendly. I go, yeah, I know, it's very frisky,

(27:17):
it's cute. It's problem my friend Kenny.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
But then yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I I consider myself an atheist, meaning I don't believe
in religion or a singular, traditional monotheistic god. But I'm
also agnostic, meaning I don't don't really know, but my
experience tells me. You know, you hit on something that
I've always felt in silver life and in altered state's life,
that there's something about love, like there's something quintessential about

(27:53):
reality related to love, Like I've really I've always kind
of just felt that intuitively. And then you know, I
say allegedly, but you know, in an altered state of consciousness,
you know, having an experience where I feel like I'm
connecting with another consciousness but also the same the oneness

(28:14):
and that connection, there's a sense of love. But you know,
being a good addict, I've also had horrific experiences in
altered states as well, but it always goes back to that.
It always comes back to that, have you felt that
in in altered.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
States and as well?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Or is that something that you only really kind of
felt in your in your sober, sober life.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Oh no, I've always like I came out of my
mom loving everything and everybody and especially animals. As a
little girl, I understood animals more than people. I never
could understand people, how they could be mean and or
anything like that. Just that stuff. To this day, it
still doesn't make sense to me, although it kind of does.

(29:00):
I think there's I call it some dark DNA that's
left over maybe from some hybrid stuff going on. Maybe
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
To me, it kind of makes a rich negative. I
always wonder, you know if that's.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, Like I like, I like my heart like just
is so filled with so much love all the time.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
It's almost like it's bleeding, like that bleeding heart thing
that I have to really watch it. And the when
I realize is that I'm an impath and I do
have to be very careful about to stimuli around me
because it goes right in and it just kneecaps. It's
another reason why I think I drank so damn much.
I was trying to put some kind of shield around me,
and now I realize, no, I don't need that shield

(29:44):
because my love and light is stronger than anything. And
I got to tell you it's challenging though, when you
come up against somebody who's just dark and they got
that hate in their heart and you try to be
mindful that they're in a different place. But I've seeing
people in the spot hate me because they're like, oh,
Gene is happy. I'd be happy too if I was

(30:06):
da da da da, not knowing anything about me, not
knowing anything, Like it's like, well, there's a projection that
I'm ABC and D and most of those stories are incorrect.
I'm renting and hello, I'm on Obamacare. Why because I
do you know? You know, it's like you don't know
my story. So we are. But guess what. I know
that when when you positive thoughts love in your heart

(30:31):
and you put that out there, that's the energy you're
putting out into the world, and the universe is listening
to that. It like your body is listening to you.
And even it's difficult some days, it's really hard to
stop the mantra in our head when we go to
the negative place, right But it's not impossible. But let
me tell you, I've been working so hard on especially

(30:52):
now in the state of things that are going on
without going there very challenging to stay positive and like love,
ignore the noise, keep your poise and remember your authentic self.
And I have to remind myself this is where it's at,
right here. It's right here. And when I went to
learn how to meditate, I went to the quantum field.

(31:12):
I don't know where I went. I was nowhere, I
was nobody, and I was nowhere pure energy. And you
want to talk about wild when you finally come back,
You're like, how do you mean an hour? Where did
that hour go? And tears just come out of your faith,
which is just old residue of stuff you've been holding in,

(31:36):
and all of a sudden you look at life and
you go, you know something, somehow it's going to be okay.
Just decide what team you want to be on, right,
and I want to be on team Hey. Maybe my
friend Kenny turned into like maybe he's an extra, maybe
he's an et. I don't know. He was crazy enough, man,
But to me, it's all the same thing. It's all energy, right,

(31:59):
and we just I think we have an amazing opportunity
right now with all the disclosure.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's going on, so many.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Whistle blowers, and you know, I'm sorry, I okay, I'm
gonna say, I'm gonna put myself out there. I'm gonnay.
About ninety ninety percent of what we see is man made. Fine,
but it's I think it's been reverse engineered from the
ten percent of stuff that's unexplained that you know, come
from a higher you know, intelligence, And to me, that

(32:27):
makes a lot of sense, And there's reasons why they're
hiding it. Blah blah blah, I'm not going to get
into the dark reasons why. I just know it's there.
And I believe those whistle blowers in the sense that
whether they were given misinformation just to lead us in
a different direction or the real stuff, it's it's it's true,

(32:47):
I believe in my heart. Just like when I read
Whitney's a book, I went that happened. That happened, And
I couldn't tell you why I knew that. I just
knew with my my arch negative blood soul.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, well that that's what the phenomenon was with that
that book was that it had resonated with millions of
people simultaneously. Hey, Dagger spells, she's a regular just jumping in.
Good to see you. Yeah, it's it's uh it when
something like that happens and it's it's at the same time,

(33:25):
you know, this isn't something that like like a psychic virus.
Right like that grew and grew and grew and just
spread and we all started seeing aliens and having the
same experiences. I mean, it was it was simultaneous. All
around the world. People saw this image on the cover
of Whitley's book and read the book and was like,
oh my gosh, I've had a very similar or you know,
almost identical experience. There's there's something there is that I

(33:48):
consider that data. I consider that some form of evidence
to suggest there's something else going on here. But you
said something earlier about you know, us maybe not being
so welcoming to extraterrestrials because the way we treat ourselves
as humans. But I don't know if that's necessarily true. So,
and this is why I think so someone I used

(34:10):
to work with she was Guyanon and in Guiana, she
was kind of ostracized, bullied and picked on because her
dark skin was much darker than the rest, right, And
it's like they were kind of it was like racism

(34:32):
against one's own race in a way, right, And so like,
we have a tendency to kind of pick on each
other as humans, And I don't know if that extends
beyond like the human species, or if it's something just
about the way we treat each other specifically.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
How I listened to a law. I only watch I
don't watch anything. I don't even watch my own work.
I watch like documentaries and whistleblowers, and then I'll watch
uh things about paranormal experiences and we're having supernatural and
I think there's a lot of you know, ancient aliens.

(35:12):
There's skinwalker rants are doing some really interesting, interesting, you
know studies there. I think, first of all, I agree
with you that the times are absolutely changing. I think
now more than ever, people are like, yeah, there's the UFOs,
brig them on, there's aliens. Come on. I mean people

(35:32):
actually have seen them. And then, like you can hear
in their videos, they're going, whoa dude, I think I'm
seeing one. Not very rarely do I see footage of
people freaking out. They're actually interested and that's great, right,
And by the way, it's okay to be freaked up
to it if she tells something herself before, especially when
you've been told as a child that this is scary.
Look all the movies that we watch, its are horrible. Right.

(35:53):
They're here to kill us, and it's us against them.
It's that is not correct. This is what I always say.
If they want to hurt us, they would have done
that by now, okay, and they have it. On the contrary,
I truly believe they're here to not help us, but
to help us help ourselves. You know, that's my true,
true belief. Because why that comes from love? Do they

(36:16):
have species amongst themselves that are have some dark DNA?
You bet they do. Why would they not? You know
what I mean, it's no different than religions if.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
They evolved naturally like.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
We did, right, But I think that they also are
trying to continue to evolve. Even the ones that are
you know, that are dark, you know, are lacking that
compassion and love, I think are trying to evolve. To me,
that's like the higher that's what you think about it.
All religions stem from all the leaders of all religions.
They're actual teachers from the very get go, in the

(36:47):
very beginnings, before man got a hold of it. It's
taught the same.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Thing, love at the center of it.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, all religions, the very in the very, in the
center of each one, the very beginning with love and light,
be kind. It was now no leaders in the very beginning,
from going way back. When it comes to any religion,
in the beginning, you know we're saying war, go, get them,

(37:15):
take everybody out. No, it was actually very much the opposite.
And if you think about what I hear a lot
of not to say, there's not the stories of some
experiences that are not pleasant, But I think that those
were more I'm gonna call those artificial and man made
versus organic, because from what I understand and the feeling
that I got, and the people in New Mexico who
I know have had experiences said it was it was

(37:38):
not a bad feeling when they were around other life forms.
It was always a loving feeling or a positive feeling
or a oh my god, is this happening feeling. I mean, uh,
have you had anybody on who's seen a shape shifter skinwalker?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I you know, I don't think I have that hasn't
been an eyewitness.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, Because I think there's something there and the whole
bigfoot thing and the skin walkers and shape shift I
believe there's some connection there with portals and other life forms,
and because it just makes kind of sense to me
that they look at an octopus try to help me.

(38:30):
Octopus is not a shape shifter.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I cannot If I go to restaurants, I will not
eat squid, I won't eat calamari.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, no, I don't. I don't eat me anyway. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
It is like they have their own kind of mind
that's really.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Interesting and yeah, we yeah, well and look at I
mean not to go there, but cows. There's videos of
cows playing kickball with dogs. I mean, you know, I
won't go there.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
That's where anybody that consciousness thing come up, right.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, stepping one one side outside one's material self in
the way that we're taught to think in this world
with lifetime is a linear. But when you go a little,
when you go higher frequencies, when you start to look
at things a little more, a little more just differently, right,
And and I see a lot of people in not

(39:24):
just this country, but the world starting to become more enlightened.
They follow me, I follow them. Some of these people
are from other countries and I follow them, and I'm like, wow,
you're just you're doing it. You're spreading the word of
enlightenment and what that might look like. And there's no wronger, way,
wrong or right way to do it. But I know,
continuing to listen to the noise and staying dizzy and busy,

(39:47):
dizzy and busy. If they keep us dizzy and busy.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Oh absolutely, do you have to tell you like in
the recent well as first first, okay, we'll say it
we'll say roughly roughly eight years ago, about or roughly
six years ago, I was like, I needed.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
To do less time on Facebook because it's getting nasty.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
And that, and that felt good, and that felt good.
But then in like the past like three four months,
I even had to like back off of just general
even like YouTube, social media and all kinds of stuff,
because what I realized was that I wasn't even if it,
even if it was good input, I wasn't constant. Input

(40:30):
doesn't let the mind breathe.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Like you need.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
The mind needs that space. And I'm working harder and
harder to do less of that. If I'm driving the car,
put some en on instead of a podcast, you know
that sort of thing. Have you made efforts in your own,
on your own to kind of you know, regulate your
input or.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah, especially lately there's been a lot we're being flooded
with information, flooded, and we're being flooded by design. Yes,
here's the beauty of it. If you know that's what's
going on, then you can say, well, wait a minute,
because it's very addictive. You start to I do it
scroll And what I did was I started to not follow.

(41:14):
I don't follow any news anymore because it's except for
just one but just to let me know what just
let me know what's going on, and then.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
That is it.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
That's it. And what I really want to look at
on my social media are videos of cows playing football
with a dog, or like I love watching my new thing,
or watching porcupines eat a carrot. I don't know why
it is so soothing watching a porcupine eat a carrot.
Crime crime cru Yeah. Or I watch good news videos

(41:46):
where they tell you what's going on around the world.
That's good news, because it's really important to pair what's
going on with also some good news, the ying and
the yang to balance it out. Otherwise, like you said,
you can just spiral into you know, depression anxiety. For me,
it's fear. I started to wake up with just I

(42:07):
never wake up with fear. I started waking up with
just panic attacks. Almost I realized, Oh, I have to
start reducing the stimuli I'm getting from the outside. And
I just started spending more time like out with the
geese and the ducks, and I find things around the
house to make a bird feeder from scratch, so I'm

(42:27):
not producing more shit that's just going to end in
the landfield. Right. So I got a cardboard box and
some duct tape and some twine and started to make
a bird feeder. Yeah, and now I got birds outside
my window and I didn't go. I didn't buy one, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
What my wife had put a bird feeder. What we
did together, but you know, she led the way to
put a bird feeder on the window. And it's we
call it cat TV because like our cat loves it.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
When both my cats they go right there and they go,
does your cat do that?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah? See, you know, I don't know. I don't think
Maya does that too much.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Mind the whiskers, for it is so funny. I love
and I'll find myself watching the birds, and then I'll
watch my cat watch the birds, and then I'll try
to do a random thought for my followers. I do
random thoughts to try to buyre and keep people lifted
and these.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I really appreciate those.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Thank you. Yeah, I'm like, hey, hey, okay, I was sinking.
And then I love it when my dog in the
background decides to get all like mouthy, because whenever I'm
talking to anybody, she yells at me. She doesn't even
know that I'm talking to my phone. She don't care.
I don't care. I don't know if you're talking to
your phone. So she's become my sidekick and my random

(43:49):
thoughts lately, and I have one I'm gonna post tomorrow
too about my main coon cat who I'm finding his
frequency and actually from my other cat to really call
me because I heard that their pers are at a
frequency that matches the healing frequency of your bones healing.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
And yes, yes, was it for two hurts? Is that it?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Or there's a there's a range that uh they that
they purr at, and within that range is the same
range of frequency that your bones heal at. So I
just got a hip replacement. So I was like, come here, Junior,
come here, come on mama, and he and he pursed you.
Look at me. Perse He's just one of those He's

(44:34):
such a But I also do believe the power of
the mind. People say, well, if you believe it, you know,
if you believe that he's helping you, then you know
he is helping you.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
And yeah, well, yes, yes, that's that's true. But like
this morning, I went to the gym and my knees.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Were bothering me, right and yes, it was my intention
to figure out what's wrong with it and.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Try to fix it.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
But all I had to do is like vigorously rub
my knee and it was like it just needed to
warm up. It was just early in the morning. So yes,
power of the mind, but it's also action, you know that.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Absolutely. Yeah. I don't think there's an exact science to
any of this, right because I think that it's like
you said, is it the power of the mine or
is it just a good old fashioned I gotta I
haven't Now I have a sciatic Okay, Okay, I'm just
like getting sexier over here. So I have this this thing,
and I know I could work on like the sciatica
and I'm like, or I could use this hand massager

(45:32):
hit it really hard. I'm like, oh, I've lod really good.
And then the heating pad and I'm like, okay, I
used my mind to turn my mind.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
So, yeah, your mind was doing a lot of work lately.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, And I know the feeling well, I mean, you know,
we're I'm in I'm you know, mid mid forties, and
see you know, yeah, I thinks we're trying starting to
change a little bit.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
But one day. Yeah, forty five.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Ye, I'm sixty one. Don't get me started. Man, the
waters are fine over here, but things just like yeah, yeah, yeah,
things start happening where you're like, what the hell that? Well?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
And you and you got sober, and so you're fifty one, oh, no.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Sixty one and almost seven years ago. Oh god, I'm
a master's a social work graduate. It's season I'm not
a math.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Probably like fifty three or fifty four, okay.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah, so it was, oh, it was oh, it was
a year before I graduated, so I think it was
twenty nineteen. Yeah, so what would that be. Oh wait,
I'm sixteen. Oh god, look at us. We're trying to
do math. This is hysterical.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, I mean that's okay.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
So it was in my fifties for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Early Yeah, so I was in my late thirties.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
And for you, what was it? Do you feel like
you've you go through? So obviously initially when you when
you get sober, that like for most and speaking for myself,
with that first year is a really tough tough year.
I know some people take off and really hit pink cloud,
but I had relapsed multiple times before that, so when
I when I did it this that time, it was

(47:18):
really tough. I heard a lot of people, you know,
the closest people to me in that process as well,
and so it took me a long time, a good
two years I think before I was really feeling normal, stable, normal.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
And then since then, like there's like these other phases.
I continue to go through phases of growth and change.
Do you have the same experience or like, do you
feel like you're shifting like into a new phase at
different times?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yes? Absolutely, Because for me there's I have a couple
of things going on at the same time. I have
my sobriety, which has its own growth, its own journey, right,
and then I have my this my spirit virtuality, which
is starting to I'm just starting to become more educated

(48:06):
on so much, so much more about it and what
it means and free frequencies and energies and other life
forms and the change that's going on with Mother Earth,
our universe and people. And so there's this dynamic change
and then there's the sobriety journey, which is constantly changing.

(48:28):
And sometimes they don't like to be together, like some
there are days where yeah, I will say this the
first year is really rough. I'm not gonna light to anybody.
At the same time, you know, life can be really rough,
you know. And if using your DOOC or drug a choice,

(48:49):
whatever that is, sex, drugs, alcohol, heroin, I don't care work.
I mean, anything that you're addicted to that's that's not
adding positively to your life could be some look at right.
I just know that as tough as some days might get,
they're never as worse as how I was in my

(49:10):
lowest times while drinking. And also I like to be
able to be that person in my family who went
from the identified problem in the family to the identified possibility.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Think about that. Kathleen Murphy, the gal who round the
rehab I went to breathe, breathe. She's the one who
said that. And when she said that, that went right
to my soul. I went. Every day I get a
choice to go to go back to being the identified
problem or I can stay here and fight it out

(49:50):
and remain the identified possibility. Because every day that we
we do this, we show others it's possible. We were
showing them that it's really what your limitations are wherever
you set for yourself. That's how strong we are as
human beings. We just don't give ourselves enough credit. And
what happens is when you relapse. I'm sure you know
relapse is not part of my story, but yet it is.

(50:13):
I was told the rehab how many times did you
try quitn't smoke or smoking cigaretts too drinking in your life, Like, oh,
I won't drink this Saturday, I won't, you know, I go,
oh my god, I was doing that all the time.
Those are all baby relaxing. You weren't in a rehab setting,
you know, you just like, yeah, every time I tried
to quit, go from vaka to wine, wine to beer.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Right right right? Yeah? What is that called? What is
it called? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
But yeah, well everyone goes through their own version, like
like for me, I tended to have long periods of
just like dry but not not healthy. You know, some
people when they relapse, they like they just go on
a binge.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
For years and then you know, don't ever come back.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, And there's different variations of that journey.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
You said something on your podcast now with DDE that
I really I really appreciated it. It felt good, and
I know for those around us who have suffered. You know,
I don't know how they they can take it in.
But as the recovering addict, I found your words of
calling us fighters, you know, like because you get knocked

(51:25):
down and then like people who relapse and then recover
and relapse like they're not giving up and that and
I think there's there's something really curact.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
For reminding me of that. And now I forgot about
that one. But being in recovery is like being a
fighter in the ring, and when you get punched out,
you get knocked out in the ring of a fighter,
you go down, right, But when that fighter gets back up,
what do we do? We cheer for them. We're like, yeah,

(51:56):
I got back up, look around toughy. Oh my god.
When you're in recovery and you get knocked down, meaning
you relapse, you get back up, there's this stigma, there's
this shame.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yeah, And I'm like, wait a minute, getting knocked down
in a ring getting back up is no more less
courageous and stud like than to say I'm gonna try
it again. I'm gonna try sobriety again. Damn it. I'm
not giving up. Because when I see people who have relapsed.
I say, did you come back? They're like, yeah, I go,

(52:30):
you're not giving up. That's a fighter. That is a
fighter that needs to be rewarded, not looked down upon.
Oh you know, they relapse four times, and you know
what I say, that's four times that person said I'm
not giving up. I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up.
And I say to these people who are very judging,
be mindful. That is a fighter right there. They're just
they haven't. It hasn't clicked yet, and it will, I hope,

(52:53):
because the other alternatives they go out and they never
come back and we never see them again. So let's hope.
But that's not it. But think about the social the
outside opinion of the person who relapses, and that needs
to be changed. But I can't change people's narrative. But
that's an old way of thinking, is what I tell people.
Old thinking, that's old thinking and old talk. So we

(53:17):
need to come up with a new talk because it's
that's that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Wow, man, we've.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Come a long way, certainly with the stigma and understanding,
but there are still a lot of people out there
and it's like still something even even if people like
understand generally you still don't talk about it in the
workplace or whatever because they're still like, oh, they have
a problem, right, And you don't want people to think

(53:45):
that way about you.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
So that that's still a bit of a struggle. You know.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
It was earlier you were talking about the paranormal and
like all these different possibilities that there are, excuse me,
and and I used to really enjoy listening to like
Coast to Coast am.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I don't know if you ever listening.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
So the idea of even even if we were things
that I didn't necessarily believe in, right, just the idea
of like these limitless possibilities of reality, whether speculation or not,
always kind of gave me this like sense of like
what if, right? And and if what if means that
means I don't have all the answers, you know, And

(54:32):
if I don't have all the answers, why would I
give up on myself? Because that presumes I know all
the answer right, So that that was always kind of
an encouraging thing. So I always sometimes see the UFO
always sometimes I sometimes see the UFO as this kind
of little symbol on the on the horizon, like that's like,

(54:52):
you know, kind of follow me this, you know, the
star on the horizon, follow me, like there's something really
interesting going on here and it's worth it's worth giving
it a go.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I love that. Wow, I love everything you just said.
I think that that's the key. I think that think
about fear. A lot of us live with fear and fear. Really,
if you think about it, a lot of the fear
that we have is not real. It's not in front

(55:24):
of us. I'll tell you what's fearful of a runaway
car coming at you with its brakes gone and you're
standing there and you have to either jump left or right.
That's scary. That. That's why you need a tremendous amount
of fear to get all those they all that stuff
front or flight, get out of the way, okay. But

(55:45):
otherwise a lot of times we don't need all this fear.
It's kind of just all it does is trip us up.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
It really does.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
So if we can learn to stop every day throughout
the day and ask ourselves, wait a minute, is this
I'm making this decision through fear, you're probably gonna say yes,
and you're going to find that your answer is your
behavior will change once you address it and acknowledge it.
For a fear based thought, that then became reaction and
a response, because like when you said, hey, I don't

(56:18):
know all the answers, you didn't seem scared. A lot
of people are not. I see less and less people
are being less fearful of not having the answers. People
are becoming less fearful of saying, hey, maybe our history
needs to be rewritten because what we're learning it's not
matching anymore. And that's okay. I'm not afraid of that.
To me, that's exciting. I'm like, okay, well, so you

(56:39):
have to rewrite some books or wherever the you know,
that's okay, it's not a big deal. I'd rather because
because I think that that's what keeps us stimulated and
all of the brain, you know what I mean, Just yeah,
and that's yeah, anything to do with keeping the brain
firing versus oh, Because once you have all the answers,

(57:01):
that's it. Once you stop learning, you're done, right.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Atrophy, Right, as you're speaking, something kind of occurred to me.
I think that as I was saying before, with all
these different speculative ideas about the poweranormal alternate dimensions ets
you know, what have you? How For me, that was
like a positive and and I think that before most

(57:28):
people really only had two choices. It was either believe
in the one God in this in a particular religion,
or there's nothing. And I think that was that that
left people kind of people who had doubt about the
one God thing. It didn't give them much else to
choose from. And I think that makes makes it a

(57:49):
bit of a struggle. I'm not saying you can't be
perfectly content, balanced and happy as an atheist, of course. Again,
but I think a lot of people when they're when
they are searching for something, they need more options.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
They need more books than the shelf to pull off,
you know, and consider and read.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I think so. And then yet there are those people
who don't want a lot of books on the shelf.
They want books that are uh, that are books that
they know, that they know right, that they are familiar with,
and that they are I should say, here's the word safe.
It makes them feel safe believing A, B and C.

(58:28):
And these books right there are all are only A,
B and C. And I'm okay with that, So don't
be messing with that, And you know what I'm saying.
I say, that's cool. That's their journey, right, it's not
my journey. And that's what It's an exciting time right
now because a lot of people are starting are starting
to bring more books, like you just love your analogy,
bring more books into their bookshelf. Wait a minute, and

(58:48):
I mean I know people, for instance, who are Jewish
who who practice Buddhism, because people didn't realize the Buddhism
is not a religion. It's a practice like yoga, right,
and they're they're like, what I thought he was Jewish.
He's Jewish. He's Jewish. He's he's a jew who likes
to who practices Buddhism. Oh, I didn't know you could
do that. I said, you could do anything you want.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, but I think you're right. A lot of people
think like that.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Sarah, like, but you can't people. And I'm I'm a
little bit of everything. I'm not one thing. I just
I just kind of like I'm a sponge. I see things,
and I like I'm a patchwork for sure. If Yeah,
I just kind of like collected in my little toolkit,
you know. And I did the same thing with sobriety
and I drove a lot of people crazy because there's

(59:31):
there are some for some people, very specific linear way
to get sober and stay sober, and you what you do,
this is what what you You know, I won't go
ay for that. And I branched out from there and
wanted to do my sobriety in my way, keeping sober,
keeping honest to that sober chick chip. And that really

(59:55):
didn't resonate with a lot of people. They were like, well,
you're running your own program, and I I said, oh, okay,
am I sober? Yeah? And my staying sober? Yeah? Am
I still positive influence on newcomers?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Absolutely, I do a lot of green work in that regard.
I really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah, Yet I know I rot people the wrong way
because some people have a very specific I said, there's
way that sobriety should look like, and I that and
I actually I did that for a year and that
worked well until I realized I need to flex my
wings a little bit and I want to start reaching out.

(01:00:31):
And then I started talking to a lot of different
kinds of people who got sober in different ways, not
that well, you know, there's a new generation of kids
right now who are not calling themselves sober. They're just
saying or choosing not to drink my boys or one
of them. And I was like, I thought that is cool.
They're like, yeah, it's cool not to drink, is what
that's about. I said, Oh, do they have addictions? Your mom?

(01:00:52):
Not everyone has an addiction, and maybe if they do,
they're choosing not to label themselves. This new generation is
very smart by the way. You know they didn't They
were crazy about the labels. And I don't disagree with
them because here's something. I have an addiction. I am
not my addiction. It's like, you know you have cancer,

(01:01:15):
you are not your cancer, right, And I think differentiating
that is really I think important because otherwise because part
of your identity.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Sure, And yeah, D, this hour flew I so fast.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Well, now you're gonna have to have you on my
podcast if I ever get off my butt and get
it going. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
When when when do you think that's gonna's gonna start?
Is it continuation of Down with D or is it
it's a brand new.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
It's like season two and it's going to be all
about paranormal, supernatural and the unknown. And I want to
have conversations like this because I truly believe that these
this topic bleeds into a lot of other topics because
I'm going to just say this, I feel that there's
some other power source energy that's helping me stay sober

(01:02:09):
and keeping me on this journey of love and light
and help and helping people. And I think it's my spirit. Guys.
I think it's some paranormal stuff going on with my
oriche negative blood. I think maybe in my hybrid, I
don't know, let's go there. Why not my dad, my grandma?
I mean, Kenny, right, it could be all of that.

(01:02:31):
I'm open to all of it. All I know is
and this is why it's I just think when I
meet somebody new, I get really excited about meeting somebody new.
So if I were to go, you know, face to
face with anything from another universe, I'm just like, it
is so nice if minally meet you now, the really

(01:02:53):
good thing. I'm crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I think you'd be a great diplomat for planet I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Hope so, because I do, you know, that's something else.
My message in this lifetime is to ask people, why
are you afraid? Don't be afraid just because you don't
know it doesn't mean it should be scary.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah right, Yeah, And I'm still working through that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I mean, for me, big thing was shame and guilt
and all that comes from fear, you know, insecurity like that.
That takes a long time to work through some of
that stuff. And I'm still shaking off a little bit
of it, you know, but I've come a long way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
But it's just, you know, it's a it's an active process.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
You know. Well, you know, it's funny with the addiction,
you have this shame, embarrassment and all of that stuff,
and paranormal supernatural experience is same thing. So many people
have been experiencing this for a very long time, but
they didn't say anything because they didn't want to be considered.
Joe the crazy man in Ohio on his farm who's
talking about seeing weird people that are not real people
in his farm. He doesn't want to be that guy, right,

(01:03:56):
so he just shuts up. Maybe he drinks too many
beers at night. Hello, sound familiar, you know. So it's
interesting how to me these two kind of blend together
with the social stigma, the shame, the embarrassment and once
and the fear of being judged. Yeah, I'm like, I'm
too old for that. I'm like, judge me, it's cool.
That's on you, not me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
That's another bonus with age that that definitely helps it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Sometimes you don't even notice it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
You're just kind of like, oh, yeah, I care less.
It feels good. But d D, thank you so much.
I really enjoyed this conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I'm so excited to have met finally A move on guy.
You're like my first one. I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Well, if you have any questions, you know, you can
always reach out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
I do. You're going to show me the paranormal places
around here because I need I just moved here and
I gotta go. I gotta go all it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Sounds like a mini road trip. Let's do it all right?
Thanks d D, and thank you to everybody for tuning
in tonight. I really really appreciate it. Oh and if
you want to check out Big Sky, d D is
starting or started in three seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
What's up three seasons?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
A handful?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Du Yeah, but it was three seasons I think altogether.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Yeah, I think I find it on who.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
You're not promoting it very well?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Well, you know, I don't want to promote it because
they canceled us, which is really not very nice. But
you know, I don't I can't say I don't appreciate
those twenty dollars residual checks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
A cup of coffee in New.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
York coffee and a piece of chocolate and happy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
All right, We could keep going, but yeah, if you
do want to check out Big Skuy, it is on
Hulu and Died because you're you're you're a natural comic too,
like you're so you're so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Oh, thank you in my podcast Down with DEDI but
don't get a two red still interview people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Okay, sounds good. All right, So thank you everybody for tonight.
I really appreciate it. Thank you to Margie k and
Race Hobbs at the Next Network for rebroadcasting this podcast.
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