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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome everybody, and welcome fellow patriots, Welcome fellow de plorables,
Welcome all of you, DRIs, this society of rockwellers. You're
sick of fence and stinkos. Of course you know what
we mean. It's friends, allies and patriots always going to
be welcome here. And this is the Conservative Commander's Radio Show.

(00:41):
And I'm Rick Trader, coming to you from the my
Pilla studios, the myce Tour studios of the A and
TV Network. And joining me today as my co host
is Sharon Angle, the patriot from the battle born State,
the Silver State, the battle ground state of Nevada. And Sharon,
welcome back, Welcome back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Thanks Rick, It's always good to be here, always good
to talk about what's going on in the world. Interstingly.
You know, after the Charlie Kirk incident, you would hope
that people would be thinking about this is not the
way to settle the issue, that killing people is not

(01:24):
the way that we do it in a democratic republic,
that we have elections to change governments if we don't
like what we've got. And yet there seems to be
this uptick and I'm not sure whether the uptick is caused,
like when we have school shootings, we see copycat things

(01:46):
happening and there's an uptick. But it just seems strange
to me. So Tuesday, there was a driver that was
taken into custody after crashing a vehicle into the secret
surface security barrier at the White House. So why why
would he do that?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
He's solving, he's stopping President Trump turned down the East
Wing to build this big, beautiful ballroom. That's what it's about. Chair,
that's it. That's just there to help the president.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
So he's he's arrested, and they that's it, you know.
They they said they haven't got any details to release
about this, just that somebody drives into this Ramsey security
barricades there in front of the White House. That seems

(02:41):
pretty overt, pretty blatant. Uh, just saying, you know, we've
got you where where're targeting. You're not safe. I guess
that's what it's saying to me. And then the Colombian president,
uh this Columbian President Gustavo Petro, during a Univision interview,

(03:06):
said that President Donald Trump could be taken out if
he does not change, you know, taken out you don't
use that kind of language. You have to be really
careful how you use it. And I don't think he
was meaning taken out in an election, because there's no

(03:27):
election coming up for Donald Trump. He turns out at
the end of this cycle, at the end of twenty
twenty eight cycle, So why would he say something like
that unless he really is threatening And that's just you know,

(03:48):
from a foreign country to talk about an assassination, attempt
or coup or whatever. I'm not sure exactly where he's
aiming this kind of a remark, but once again, this

(04:09):
escalation of a a violence, I guess. And on the
heels of the Charlie Kirk incident, then there's also this
idea that a potential mass shooting at Heartsfield Jackson Atlanta

(04:30):
International Airport was narrowly permitted Monday, So here we go again.
Fellow Billy Jo'kagel was arrested for allegacy for allegedly saying
that he was going to shoot up the airport. So
you know, here we go more and more and more

(04:52):
rather than less and less, rather than coming back into
a civilized society, we get more. And they found a
loaded AR fifteen style rifle in his truck. He comes in,
makes this threat, but he doesn't have the gun on him.

(05:15):
That just sounds kind of nutty.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
But what about this guy? Is he a Citizener what
was his name again.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Cagel, c A G L E. I would I would
imagine he is. He's forty nine years old. He's Billy
Joe Cagel sounds very southern. He's forty nine years old,
and he, uh, he just came in and threatened to

(05:47):
shoot up the airport, but he left the gun in
the truck. So I think it's, you know, more of
can I get some attention here rather than an act
should uh coming in to shoot it up? You know,
if he wanted to shoot it up, he would have
taken the rifle out and just gone in guns blazing,

(06:09):
I guess. But it says that Cagel has mental health challenges.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
So well there, I'll be honest with you, Sharon, the
way things said been going, they're the people I don't
want to have a gun, you know, people with mental issues.
Thank god he didn't, as you say, take gunning with him.

(06:38):
Petro what's what's Petro's last name?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
The the Yeah, the Columbian president.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Petro Petro, Well, we'll just call him Petro, Gustavo Petro.
He better be careful himself. You know, the idea of
one kind of tree or one government taking out the
leader of another is not that unrealist, uncommon. You know,
for instance, we took out Saddam Hussin. You know, we

(07:14):
took out the Libyan guy. Forgetting the name right now,
but we took him out. I mean there have been times,
there have been times where the leaders of foreign countries
have been taken out. However, I don't think you make
that kind of a threat to Donald Trump. I mean,

(07:37):
I don't think that Donald Trump is afraid of this guy.
But I think Donald Trump ought to be careful of
people like this. But what he does is he puts
himself on the radar screen, all right, he puts he
puts himself on the radar screen. Omar Kadafi is a

(08:00):
guy who's name. I knew it would come to me.
You know, the old ram and the old brain is
a little slow. You know, it's not AI compatible, it's
not Windows eleven compatible. But it comes to me. A Markadaffi.
We took out of a Markadafi or Obama did so

(08:21):
it's that's not It's not unusual for a government or
a country to take out an adversary in another country.
But God bless the President Trump. You know, there's another
scare that the White House had the White House. The

(08:42):
FBI is investigating a hunter stand that was in sight
to Trump's Air Force one exit at Palm Beach Airport
in Florida, and that agents found the stand less and
the FBI is now leading an investigation into the discovery.

(09:05):
FBI Director Cash Pattel said the hunting stand has not
yet been connected to any individual, and prior to the
President's return to West Palm Beach, the Secret Service discovered
what appeared to be an elevated hunting stand within sight

(09:26):
of Air Force one's landing zone. No individuals were located
at the scene. The FBI has since taken the investigation lead,
flying in the resources to collect all evidence at the
scene and disploy cell phone analytics capabilities. So I don't know,

(09:51):
I'm not familiar with this area, but I would think
right around in International Airport would not be an area
for I don't believe unless you were hunting for the
President of the United States.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Just just being that close to an airport. You would
think they would constantly be patrolling around airports just to
keep that kind of thing from happening. Our airport doesn't
have any secluded or hidden areas. There aren't even any trees.
You can see the runways for miles and they're you know,

(10:31):
it's it's very open. As far as what there's no
place that you could go and hide. It's what I'm saying,
there's you know, off off prefit premises. It's very difficult
to hide some place where you could get a line

(10:51):
of sight for an airplane or or for someone getting
off an airplane. It's very very well controlled on the outside.
And I would think that most airports would have that
kind of of control, especially a big airport like Atlanta
where you know, or even Palm Beach where you know

(11:13):
that dignitaries are a little to come in.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right anybody, I don't. I wouldn't want there to be
hunters near any airport, Sharon, any airport whatsoever. I think
that's that's this very very dangerous, dangerous situation. And I
hope the FBI can find the individual is that constructed

(11:40):
this this hunting stand, and looking at the picture of it,
it's not an elaborate hunting stand. It's just like a platform,
a flat platform in the trees. I'm familiar with hunting stands,
you know. I live in an area called the Pine Barrens.
There's a lot of hunters, and when they construct the
deer stand, it's almost like a little a little house

(12:01):
in the tree. But this is just was just a
flat platform. I don't think it was built to hunt deer.
What I'm getting at. You know, when you when you
build a platform and this in a tree to hunt deer,
you want to be secluded. You want to be hidden.
And that's why these they build these little hots, these

(12:22):
little houses in the trees, not not just a flat platform.
So it's uh, it's very concerning. Another another piece of
Trump news, and I guess they're making this segment about
Donald Trump, is that the Trump Hooton meeting that was

(12:43):
scheduled to take place in Budapest has been canceled after
Russia insisted it's goal is to conquer Ukraine. Has not changed.
And you know, of all the successes that Donald Trump
has had ending war, the most reason that being in Gaza,

(13:05):
the one that has eluded him is this. We're in
the in Ukraine and corralling of Vladimir Putin. I'm a
little bit surprised about that because I did believe that
once Donald Trump got into the office, he would lower
the price of gas and oil, which he has, which

(13:27):
would dry up the funds for Vladimir Putin to fight war.
He's gotten countries like India to pledge not to pot
not to buy Putin's oil. The one little bad bees
in the cog is China. China is continuing to buy

(13:49):
Putin's oil, and even with the lowering price of gas
and oil, apparently Putin is still finding enough money to
fuel his were in Ukraine. So that's a little bit dangerous.
I don't know if it's going to take Donald Trump

(14:09):
to give Zilensky Tomahawk missiles to be able to strike
back at Russia. I don't know if that is going
to be the thing that brings Putin to the table.
But sky Putin is dangerous. It's like he changes his
mind or or not, you know what I mean, changes

(14:33):
his mind. Okay, Well, he come to Alaska to meet
to meet with Trump. He then invited President Trump to
come to Lascow. They had this meeting set up in Budapest.
I don't know if he's doing that just to make
Trump think he's willing to negotiate, But on the other hand,
he's not. He's continuing his relentless were in Ukraine, Sharon,

(14:59):
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Speaker 1 (16:55):
And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos for
Sharon Angle. I'm Trader, coming to you from the Mike
Pelas Studios and My Stewart Studios of the a un
TV network. So, Sharon, Donald Trump certainly has its challenges,
that being with Vladimir Putin in Russia, that with people

(17:17):
that continue to suffer from Trump Derangement syndrome, people who
want to drive pickup trucks through security at the White House.
He certainly has his challenges. But you know what, with
the challenges that our country face, I'm so glad that
Donald Trump is our president.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I think he did kind of a bold move
what he did with this counseling of Putin is he
relied on Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio had had a phone
call with an ambassador there too, and the follow just

(18:02):
flat told him that Putin didn't want to talk peace.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So who do you have this set? Who do you
have this phone call with? And by the way, while
you're looking that up, let me just say, as Donald
Trump said the other day, he called Mark Rubio the
greatest Secretary of State the United States has ever had.

(18:27):
And that's a far cry from what Donald Trump has
called the Mark Rubio in twenty sixteen when they're both
running for president. And what I'm getting at this sets
up I think this sets up a real contest in
twenty twenty eight between Mark Rubio and jd Vance. Jd
Vance is somebody somebody that Donald Trump is leaning on heavily.

(18:51):
Donald Trump recently sent jd Vance to Israel to find
out what's going on between is Real in Gaza, what's
happening in Gaza, to push the peace plan along there.
So he's depending quite a lot on these on these
two guys, you know, one again who he really was

(19:14):
not did not have any kind worse to say about
when he was running for president, and the other a
man that was a never drumper in twenty sixteen. So
politics strange bedfellows, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yes, So Secretary Rivel and Foreign Minister lab Rov was
the one that talked, were the ones that talked. And
it says that there was an additional in person meeting
between the Secretary and this foreign minister because there are

(19:51):
no plans for President Trump to meet with Putin immediately.
But what they found a productive about that was that
this Serge Lavrov demonstrated the Kremlin's unwillingness to commit to
Trump's strategy for peace, just said I'm not willing and

(20:13):
so with that, Trump said, well then it's a waste
of time to meet, which is true, isn't it. I mean,
if you've already said a signal that you don't want
to talk about peace, then what do we have to
talk about?

Speaker 1 (20:27):
And let's air force one there.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, So so that's why he canceled it. It's not
you know, it wasn't he he was being insulting to
Putin and saying, well, you're a waste of time, fella.
It's that they had already said we're not interested in peace.
He'd sent that message through Rubio. Uh t, as you say,
Trump trusts Rubio, and there was no need to have

(20:55):
a second meeting. If if that's what you got with
the first meeting, I think you're right. When we talk
about history, how well it how will it talk about
the Trump administration. I think we're going to find there
will be a lot of heroes in the Trump administration

(21:16):
when history is told, if they tell the truth.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Oh hopefully someday that just will come out on a
lot of things. But with that sharing, we do need
to go to our next break. And you're listening to
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Speaker 1 (23:17):
And thank you for staying with this. This is the
Conservative Commandos with Sharon Angle and I'mrick Trader coming to
you from the my Pilasuias and my store studios of
the au n TV network. So what else is on
your radar screen, kiddo?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, you know, we always do a bit of California
centric stuff just because we have so many television stations
in California. And of course NEWSOM is an interesting study,
if I can say it nicely, but he just approved

(23:56):
a bill in the leg slight here that allows nineteen
dollars a month's subsidy for California residents.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
And this.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Recipients do not have to be American citizens. They don't
even have to be in the state legally, so they
can receive this subsidy on their cell phone bill just
by being in California. It's that he's kind of wanting
it to be like the Obama Phones, a lifeline type

(24:31):
of program, but really it's a pandering to buy those votes.
It's and it is so amazing that we know that
the illegals are voting in California, and we know that

(24:52):
he wants them to stay in California, and so now
he's paying for it there for nineteen dollars a month
discount on their calls to families back in Venezuela, Columbia, Mexico, wherever.
Just the California taxpayer is doing this for them. I

(25:16):
can't imagine the feelings in California, because you know, this
is the state of regen. This was the state where
Republicans ruled for a while and conservatives had the state,

(25:37):
and now look at what's going on. It is just
unbelievable and what is happening in that state, and we're
feeling it here in Nevada. They're coming over our state lines,
not to gamble, but to live. Were calling them refugees,

(25:57):
California refugees coming into Nevada just too just to live
because they can't stand what's going on in California.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
They can't afford. They can't afford to live in California.
It's so expensive that you know when I when I
hear about the prices of houses in rents in California,
I don't know how how they can do it. You know.
I also have a little bit a piece of California
centric news myself share. And you know, President Trump is

(26:34):
being ridiculed because he is putting this big, beautiful ballroom
on the on the East wing of the White House.
It's going to be it's going to be capable of
housing six hundred and fifty to one thousand guests. The

(26:55):
project is estimated that costs about two hundred million dollars,
being paid entirely through private donations and not federal funds.
I mean, this is a this is a gift to
America coming from Donald Trump. And you know there have
been other alterations made to the White House. In fact,

(27:16):
I think it was Teddy Roosevelt that built the West Wing.
Other presidents have put in swimming pools and tennis courts
and bowling lanes and basketball courts. Well, you know I
bet that money that was federal money, right, But this
is all being paid for through private contributions. Now, Gavin

(27:41):
Newsom is one of the people that is ridiculing the president. However, however,
in California, they're rebuilding the state Capitol complex and Sacramento
at a cost of one point six billion dollars. One

(28:01):
point six billion dollars. It's a project that is being
entirely funded by taxpayers. Entirely funded by taxpayers. Now, no
problem there, no problem there. So let's take take the
taxpayer's money. And by the way, California has is billions

(28:24):
of dollars in debt already. Okay, so what we're going
to do is we're going to take another one point
six billion dollars to rebuild the state House in Sacramento.
Isn't that Isn't that ridiculous? Now some have defended the project.

(28:46):
Former California Democratic State Assembly Member Ken Cooley said, quote,
the goal of all this, the seat of the government,
is the people's house that was built in nineteen fifty two.
It is not welcoming to those Californians blessed today to

(29:07):
get mobility through wheelchairs that are motorized. In other words,
they're taking all this step to put up ramps. I
would take it, but one point six billion dollars to
fund the renovation of the state Capitol in Sacramento. That's

(29:31):
not a problem. What the problem is is Donald Trump
adding a ballroom onto the White House. All the money
for that is being contributed. All the money for this
California Statehouse project is on the backs of the taxpayer.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, I think also when you look at scale to
scale here, Newsome once ramps that are accessible for motorized wheelchairs. Yeah,
not for just regular wheelchairs, but motorized wheelchairs, right, And

(30:16):
he wants it. I'm taking it that an elevator isn't
good enough.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I would think an elevator is probably a whole lot
cheaper than one point six billion dollars. You know, Sharon,
Mary and I were over to our county house the
other day. It's an old building. It's a beautiful old building.
They put elevators in it, all right, and that was

(30:45):
all retro fitted. You know, there are many retrofits, and hey,
I agree that people should be able to have access,
all right, people that are on wheelchairs. I don't know
the percentage of people that do business with the State
of California that actually go into their state House are

(31:06):
reel chair bound, but I think that some things should
be made accessible to them that, but I think there's
can be much much cheaper ways of doing it, not
costing the people in California one point six billion dollars

(31:27):
when they're already twenty forty billion dollars in debt.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
So, as I said, let's look at the scale of this.
So we've got motorized wheelchairs at taxpayer expense. How many
of those do you think are really going to go
in and out of the State House there in California
As an oppost to this ballroom. Now, everybody thinks ballroom, Oh,

(31:54):
there's that's for dancing, not necessarily the current facility that
they have for hosting dignitaries and having dinners there for
incoming folks like the Queen of England, like Vladimir Putin.
It's two hundred people. That's capacity. What he's saying is

(32:16):
it's not big enough to hold people that should be
invited to come to the White House to visit with
these folks, or to even just be there to visit
with the president. This ballroom is going to hold over
six hundred people, almost a thousand people. Now, when I
look at economy of scale, I think about Reno in

(32:40):
Las Vegas, and we call them ballrooms where we have
sit down dinners for one thousand people and no one
cranks about that. That's all private money as well. Those
casinos built it because they realize that you can't even
have a convention of folks coming in to Las Vegas

(33:03):
without being able to seat about a thousand people. And
you know those are just conventions of well, union conventions
or a like the Republican Jewish Coalition is going to
have their convention. Uh, Gateway Pundits had their convention. Everybody

(33:25):
comes to Las Vegas for conventions because they have a
place that can accommodate them. And if the White House
were more hospitable, wouldn't it be that the people would
come to Washington, d c. To to have their conventions
there at the White House to meet with the president.

(33:45):
I mean, it just makes sense to have a place
where you can where you can invite some folks in.
I mean, you want to have a place and where
it's it's being funded a group of private citizens, really
patriots companies. And he says in yours truly, which he means,

(34:11):
and Donald Trump himself has put in to this building
this project so that that they Okay. So Trump says
the White House needs a large entertaining space, and it's
complained that the East Room, the current largest space in
the White House, is too small, holding about two hundred people.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Have you ever been to the Have you ever been
in the room?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I haven't.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's very very small. It's very very small. I was
shocked how small and actually is. Seriously, because you know,
I remember, even going back to childhood, President Kennedy holding
dinners in the East Room of the White House, and

(34:57):
you would think there's be room for thousand the people.
Actually not. It's a very very small, confined area, relatively
small confined and as you say, holds about two hundred people.
It's about the size of a it's smaller. It's smaller
than a high school cafeteria. Sharon, okay, right. The one

(35:21):
thing that I'm concerned and by the way, this is
not going to be completed while Donald Trump is president.
I would be willing to make a bet the first
Democrat to be elected president will have it torn down.
These people are so vindictive, they hate Donald Trump so much.

(35:47):
Something given to the people of the United States. They're
going to now, Sharon, you know, think about this Democrats
are notorious for tearing things down. They've torn down Statue
of Washington, of Jefferson, They've torn down Civil Wars statues,
They've torn down a lot of historic things, a lot

(36:11):
of historic markers, things that offends them. I guarantee you
that if you get a Democrat in the White House,
if you get Democrats in the House, in the Senate,
they're going to demand that to be torn down because
they're going to see it as a as a monument

(36:31):
to Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's they have an ambitious timeline and they say it's
going to be completed before his term ends in January
twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I hope that so.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
And they've already started demolition on it. They abay start
demolishing the East wings. So he's going for it, he
knows what. You know that they will go in and
try to tear it down or stop it or whatever
they're whatever they're going their plan is because anything Trump
is anathema to them. They do not want it, even

(37:07):
if it's something that's good for the country. And when
I say that, they have been holding these big meetings,
these big affairs, these big luncheons and things in open tents,
on the White House grounds. That's difficult security. That's very
difficult security in the middle of Washington, DC, out in

(37:29):
the open like that. It's much better to have it
inside so that the secure he can watch and have
control of access. A whole lot easier security when you
have an indoors. Also, outside the weather gets in the way.

(37:49):
You can't have things during the winter time sometimes because
the weather just doesn't allow for it. So you know,
he's right, we need a place to entertain, to have
these kinds of meetings. They're having him anyway, they're having
him in places that are not secured as much as

(38:12):
they could be if it were not as open air
as they are. So and he's he started demolition. It's
that there's you can go online and see the pictures.
They're tearing it down as we speak, and it's going
to be a part of his his administration before he

(38:33):
leaves office.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
So sure, yeah, he share with that. We do have
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Speaker 2 (44:18):
I think it's interesting the president has now asking Pam
Blonde to get restitution for him, especially in the cases
against Leticia, James Adam Schiff, and James Comy and the
restitution is two hundred and thirty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, Sharon, that's a lot of money. What are they
going to do raid Letitia Letitia's piggybank? Are they going
to go into the into the checking account of James
Comy or is this money coming from the Justice Apartment
actually coming from the American people. That's my problem here,

(45:06):
that's your problem. That's my problem. If it was coming
from Latisia's piggy bank or jam Commy, James Comey's checking account,
I'd be for that. But what I'm not for. And
we see this many many times when people sue the government,
or sue their local sue their state or even their

(45:29):
local municipality. This money is coming from the taxpayer. It's
not hitting the people that were actually involved in committing
of the wrongs. I am met. I met the people
that have harmed Donald Trump, and his reputation have really

(45:52):
hurt in bed. They've cost him millions millions. Now, maybe
if President Trump says he wants to money, is going
to donate it donated back to the country. I'm fine
with that. If Donald Trump says he's going to use
the money for a good mean good means. I might

(46:13):
be for that if it goes back to helping the
American taxpayer.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Well a dollar on all of those counts. Let's let's
see what the answers are. So, first of all, there
are monetary fines associated with the charges against Letitia James
and James six thirty.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
You're not going to get two hundred and thirty million
dollars from these people.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
They're a million dollars per count. That's the fine associated
with each one of these charges is a million dollars
per count, and forfeiture, which means if they've got any properties,
anything that adds up to that. So they're going after
them individually to pay these fines. I don't know how

(47:01):
successful they'll be. You know, you can't get blood out
of a turn up. There's that old saying. But the
interesting part is is they're going after them individually. He's
asked Pam Bondy to go after them. That person for
two hundred and thirty million dollars, so he probably has
two hundred and thirty counts.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Let him sue. Let them sue each of these individuals
individually in court. All right, let him sue James Comy,
bankrupt James Comy in court, bankrupt Titia in court, bankrupt
any all the people that win against them, take it

(47:45):
to a civil court, bankrupt them. I don't care. But
my problem is when the American taxpayer is left with
the bill. That's the American taxpayer.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
What he's done is he's said to Pam Bondy that
he wants her to apply all of her pressure onto
these ones, to get them to pay those fines, to
pursue these indictments, and to get the job done. He says,

(48:21):
they owe me a lot of money. And he says
in times past there's been nothing done about it, but
he wants justice to be served now. And he says,
here's his message to her. He says, Pam, I have
reviewed over thirty statements in posts saying that essentially same
old story as last time. No action, nothing is being done.

(48:44):
What about Comy, Adam, Shifty Ship, Letitia, They're all guilty,
but nothing is going to be done. He said, we
can't delay any longer. It's killing our reputation and credibility.
They've impeached me twice, indicted me five times over nothing.
This must be served now President d j T. So

(49:05):
he's demanded.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
So waste of Pam Bondie's time. She should have more
pressing matters on her desk. She really should then trying
to get restitution for Donald Trump. As an individual, Pam
Bondie should be working doing what she's doing, getting criminals
out of this country, getting people you're out of the country.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I think Letitia James, James Comey and Adam Shift are
criminals as well. You know she's got She's not there
in the o J with the other guys, with the illegals.
But I think I think she has to go after
all the criminals. I don't think they should let them.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
That money should get away with the American taxpayer, not
to Donald Trump. If Donald Trump wants wants the rest,
she and he should go to the go to Silver
course and sue these people for slander, libel, whatever he thinks.
That's what he should do. Well not he's American people.

(50:14):
He said, Sharon, I love you, and this is one
of the things we disagree on. This is one of
the things that disagree with Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
WoT I'm not sure you disagree with him because he
said if he were to get that money he would
put it back into the White House, into other places
where we need the money in this country. So he's
not going to take it for himself. He's going to
give it back to the country. That's what he's saying.

(50:44):
I remember the big beautiful ballroom, Yes, think about that.
He said he would put his money into that. So
maybe that's where the money's coming from. That's the tie
in here. But anyway, I thought it was very interesting
that he's not going to let this just slide one

(51:04):
more time. Oh well, you know, all's fair in politics.
And if so, what if you do something bad to
someone else? So what if you ruin their reputation? There's
no real consequence here. It's just what we do. It's
just like Harry Reid. He's saying that, of course he

(51:25):
lied about nitt Romney. But it worked, isn't it. Nothing
ever happened to Harry Reid for lying, and it's the
same thing here. Nothing. As Trump says, this is about justice.
This isn't so much about the two hundred and thirty
million as it is about bringing criminals to justice.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
And he's right, lock him up, put him in jail,
But he can't right bring them to justice. Lock him up,
put him in jail. But I think that his well,
there has to be he should go after these people
in civil courts, not in any kind of thing she
needs to do.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's a it's a federal case though they're federal crimes.
Federal case. I'm not sure that that he can go
that direction. However, it doesn't matter. I just am so
happy that he is pressing forward and he's saying, we've
got to have justice here. We can't just let these
folks get by with basically murder. Sometimes it's just.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Well, I agree with not letting them get by. If
they've committed real crimes, they should be punished real hard.
You know. I really do think that when a politician
commits a crime, I really do believe the set should
be double than if a regular citizens committed the crime.
I mean, they're elected with the public's trust, all right,

(52:52):
the public is trusting these people. I think when they
violate the public's trust that there they're fines in penalty
you should actually be triple quadrupl I don't care. I
think that they should be punished, harshly punished, and then
that becomes not just not does that just punish them,

(53:15):
but that becomes a deterrent. But as far as a
private getting money for a for wrongs, I do believe
that should be done in civil court. And hey, Sharon,
with that, we do need to take a break. And
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(55:47):
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guests here on Conservative Commandos and we're improving it. Sharon,
please make that introduction.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
It's always my pleasure to introduce Frank Salvado, who is
a cost of the Underground USA podcast. His writing has
been recognized by the US House International Relations Committee and
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(56:18):
and Accuracy in Media, and it's nationally syndicated. Frank appeared
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(56:42):
the Salem Broadcasting Network and Genesis Communications affiliate stations. Frank,
welcome back to the Conservative Commando's radio show.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Always a pleasure to spend some time.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
It's our pleasure, Frank, and we want to discuss an
article you wrote the Left Stupid Games. I'm not even
sure where to start on this, but you start with
DEI so we'll start there with you. So let's talk
about this stuff.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
There are so many of these stupidity games that it
is hard to know where to begin. But Dei is
the chief among them. For them to say that it's
about creating fairness and opportunity is just a flat out lie.
Dei is a discriminatory practice that that elevates special interest

(57:35):
groups above the whole. It's you know, it's especially and
this isn't a popular thing to say, because people get
a little squeamish about it. But if you're a white
heterosexual male in the in the Western culture, in the
woke Western culture, you are the demon. You are you
are the person where all blame lies, and you shall

(57:58):
be demonized from this point forward. Well, when you remove
the Dei philosophy, that ideology from the mix, and you
create opportunity for all on an equal plane instead of
equity of outcome, we get back to being colorblind, which

(58:19):
is kind of where we were. I don't know, maybe
everybody else's experience isn't the same as mine, but we
were kind of there at the end of the eighties
and the beginning of the nineties where we were moving
beyond the color of somebody's skin, and we were actually
looking at the content of their character and whether they
had merit to hold the station that they were holding.

(58:43):
You know, with Barack Obama coming into power, suddenly we
were all racist again, unless you were anything other than
a white, HETEROSEXU world.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Well, I think you're right, Frank. I know we have
always been kind of there in the West. It has
always been shocking to me that when you get a
little bit east of the Mississippi you start to run
into this stuff. But for the most part we were
pretty much any everybody's okay with us. And then Obama

(59:22):
hit and that I guess that was the one where
you know, they started making a problem of something that
wasn't a problem, calling it out as a problem. When
Obama got in and he was going to straighten that out,
but he really didn't, didy.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Frank, No, No, As a matter of fact, he supercharged it.
You know, he supercharged it. He wasn't truthful about the past.
He helped facilitate things like the sixteen nineteen project and
the institutionalized racism and law enforcement, which the numbers just
aren't there to validate that statement. Even if you what

(01:00:00):
are the most jaded set of numbers from the FBI
and the history there's no proof of that whatsoever, yet
the media ran with it. I like to remind people,
and it's just something that history isn't teaching anymore, probably
because they're just not teaching history anymore in the in
elementary schools and high schools, and we absolutely are teaching

(01:00:22):
it in higher education. That's all in doctrination today. But
we're the only country on the face of the earth
throughout the history of men who ever went to war
to say that slavery races. It's all wrong, it's all wrong.
You know, we count six hundred thousand Americans who put

(01:00:47):
their lives on the line, and many of them giving
the ultimate sacrifice, to say this is wrong, and we're
not going to do this anymore. Even the Framers, which
the left likes to demonize all the time, at their core,
whether they were trapped in the institutions of the time
or not, we're saying we've got to get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Rid of this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Well. And I think, as you say, we're the most
impartial country, I mean, we're the melting pot, and we've
had our little hiccups through history. And as you say that,
we even fought a big war just to say is
this wrong? We once in a while have to do

(01:01:34):
a little course correction. I mean, Martin Luther King said
he made a course correction on this. But then it
seems like this has just gone completely off its rails
and we are back to what I feel like is
even worse than before we fought the war, if that's possible.

(01:01:56):
I mean, I'm hearing things like people that are taking
in Haiti and rest your refugees now are saying, this
is the greatest thing I ever did. Did they do
my laundry, they do my cooking, they clean my house?
Everybody should have a Haitian what I just want to
bang my head on the table over a you know,

(01:02:16):
it's just nuts to hear that kind of commentary.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Yeah, there's a there's a meme going around that's addressing
the issue at the southern border and the fact that
we're closing it because there's a way to come to
our country in a way not to come to our country,
and it says it juxtaposes the days of slavery in
the United States. That says, but if we free the slaves,
who will pick our cotton? And the next panel is today,

(01:02:42):
and it says, well, if we don't have illegal immigrants,
who will pick our who will harvest our vegetables. That's
the kind of mentality that you know, it's an entitled
mentality that really shouldn't exist here in the twenty first
century here in the United States, but it does is
and why because the left operates off chaos. They need

(01:03:05):
to have the crisis. It's an a Lenski rule that
they need to have the crisis to create the chaos
so they can introduce the solution, which is always something
that they're in complete control of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
It's the transformative power that the left wants to project
on the United States. And it's a transformative power that
has absolutely nothing to do with individualism or freedom. It
has to do with we doing what we're told. Wear
your mask, get vaccinated, don't question what we're doing. Spending

(01:03:40):
is good, open borders are better, and we should listen
to the globalists. That's what they want. But a free
thinking nation that's built on liberty, freedom, and individualism. We
get to say no and we get to question things.
And that's why you see them coming one hund undred
percent against free speech. They don't like to call it

(01:04:05):
that they'd like to say they're they're promoting fact checking
and and disinformation and misinformation, But the fact is they're
trying to control what's being said in thought and and
that's something we all have to rebel against.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Well, what you're what you're talking about is the insults
that we have been receiving on our end. I think
the first one that just shocked me was for President
Obama to say that we were ignorant clinging to our
guns and religion. That was I mean, it was the

(01:04:42):
most insulting thing to the majority of our country. And
they have now so badly infiltrated many of our institutions.
The military, I can't think of any institution that is
more or level In fact, boot camp is all about

(01:05:04):
making everybody equal. You don't come in with your daddy's name,
you don't you know. You come in there and you
you don't even get to keep your own underwear. I mean,
you're just there. You don't get to keep your hair,
your sideburns, your mustache, you're anything. You are leveled. Everybody

(01:05:25):
becomes the same in the military, and then they build
you into a fighting unit where everybody watches everybody's back,
but that's not the way it is anymore in the military.
It's just astounding.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Well, hopefully with hag says, we're turning that corner and
getting back to it. The the cancelation of DEI practices
at the Pentagon was just so important, so important. And
then the and the idea of urging ideologues, whether there's
pavilion employees or appointments, or whether they're wearing the uniform.

(01:06:04):
You know, just because you're wearing a uniform doesn't mean
that you're not susceptible to that kind of indoctrination and thinking,
we've got to get back to our military being the
fighting machine that's feared around the world and revered by
people who are oppressed, and leave the nation building, which
was something that Obama wanted to do so badly with

(01:06:26):
our military to the state department. You know, our war
machine should be a war machine, you know, and not
an NGO organization that's that's building hospitals and this, that
and the other. It's a wonderful thing to do, don't
get me wrong. You know, you want to help develop
a nation. You want to you want us to be
seen as the good guys in the world stage. That's great.

(01:06:49):
But that's what USA I D is for, That's what
the State Department is for. It's not what our warriors
are for. Our warriors are there to protect the United States,
our assets, our interests, and our people and our country.
So let them have that singular job. It's like the
Secret Service. How about we just have them do protection

(01:07:10):
details for the elected officials who warrant it, and let
the FBI and the Treasury Department deal with with counterfeiting
and everything else. Singular issues, Singular focus always makes for
a better apparatus.

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(01:11:03):
And always the left stupidity games, you know, Frank DEI.
I think what DEI did is DEI gave lesson give
license for liberals to outstupid each other with the next
wacky idea. They try to outwacky each other. Frank, I

(01:11:25):
mean they got to one level, then a deeper level
than a deeper level, and he seemed like they had
an out wacky out stupid each other. And this is
what this is what's put us in the position that
we are in right now. How do you feel about
that statement, Frank.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Oh, it's accurate. I think it's the cause of it
is what we have to look at. And I think
the constitutional illiteracy of the far left and the tolerance
of it by the American people is something that allows
that kind of stupidity. You call it wackiness. I just

(01:12:04):
call it stupidity to go forward in the halls of power,
which are supposed to be the halls that sanctify what
are founding documents and what we're supposed to be about
as American. If you get elected the office, a prerequisite
should be a pretty decent understanding of how it works.

(01:12:28):
And that doesn't mean how the political parties work, although
you should know that if you're going to go through
against sharing those this very well, if you're going through
the process of trying to get a nomination, you better
know how the political parties work. But that doesn't have
anything to do with governance. There's a set of rules
laid out by the US Constitution, and they are rained

(01:12:53):
in by the Bill of Rights. What the government can
and can't do, what they can what they can step on,
where they can go. They're limitations. The Constitution and the
Bill of Rights are a set of limitations for our
federal government, each branch. And it seems to me the
people who are doing the wackiness the stupidity, they either

(01:13:16):
don't have a solid working knowledge of what those rules
are and how government's supposed to work, or they just
don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Frank, I think the American people are too nice for
the room good because they accept this stuff and they
don't they want everybody to like them. They don't want
to be insulting. They don't want to look at some
girl with pink hair, tattoos all over her body, rings

(01:13:49):
coming out of her nose, her eyebrow, her mouth and
say you're weird. You know, they're just afraid to say
what things really are because they don't want to be insulting.
And so he has gotten so far. When you put
point out the stupid, wacky ideas for what they are,

(01:14:11):
stupid wacky ideas, then you're the demon. You're the demon.
And again I think we've gotten to this point. Americans
are just too nice. We should have been tough parents
from the beginning, and so and pointed out the weirdness
to Whackingess. My gosh, you go through the mall today,

(01:14:33):
go through the mall today, and it's like going to
a freak show. The way people dress and what people
do to them with the rings and this tattoo and
the hair and the clothing. I mean, I was in
the hospital a couple of weeks ago and this girl
walked in with a pair of jeans and there was

(01:14:54):
not much thread there. Frank, they were all ripped up.
I'm serious. For from the top of the hips to
the ankles, these pants were all ripped up. So you
know what I said to her, Wow, I'm glad you
survived the grizzly bear attack. We've just got We're so nice.
We've accepted this and the other and the other. Thing

(01:15:17):
that gets me about our culture today, And you kind
of alluded to it in your article here, And I'll
tell you where I'm going from. You know, for years
and years and years at least since I was a
child in the and could understand things. In the late
fifties and through the sixties, it was integration, integration, integration.

(01:15:39):
We had to end segregation. But what has happened now
segregation is coming back. But it's not the segregation isn't
coming back through the white race. It's coming back from
people of color. You know, there are Harvard Harvard, there,

(01:16:00):
there were there were classes, and there were dorms for
African American students. Only whites were prohibited.

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
I'm gonna I'm gonna drill down a little bit further. Yeah,
and and and saying you have to look at the
hierarchy that's instituting this lunacy. There are a lot of
white people in there who are doing this, so it's
really not a race thing. It is a power position
ideology type of things.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
So let me stop you there, let me stop you.
I hate to interrupt guests, but again I think this
is because of the wacky stupity this that they that
they try to out wacky and now stupid to each other.
You know, they they fall over themselves to be nice,
They fall over each other come up with the next
wacky stupid idea. We have been including including a lot

(01:16:54):
of white people.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
We've been told for as long as I've been alive
that it's impolite to discuss politics and religion and current
events at the dinner table, that you shouldn't bring it
up with friends because people might think differently than you do.
That's where this started, this let's be polite thing. There
are ways to express yourself and talk about politics, religion,

(01:17:20):
current events, important things that aren't abrasive, that that aren't offensive.
You have to use your language to do this, and
you have to make sure that you can. You know,
you can have that conversation. But I say this at
the end of every single podcast that I have. If

(01:17:41):
you have these conversations, we all find out we have
more in common. Whether it's the girl with the ripped
up genes or the person with the thirty piercings on
our ear, we find out that we've got more in
common than we do in difference. And that spotlights these
deep state bureaucrats who thrive whose only ability to maintain

(01:18:02):
power is to divide us into these demographics so they
can cobble together fifty one percent for election. If we
say no to that and work naturally, organically diverse, that's
what a melting pot is. That's what e plural bazunam
is supposed to be out of a many one. When
we do that, then this deep state bureaucracy that wants

(01:18:25):
to make sure that we're angry with each other and
we don't like this, and that person's outside and I'm inside,
and we can't have this anymore. They lose their power
because they can't organize us to get that fifty one
percent for the elections. That's when populism comes and explodes
on the scene, exactly what Donald Trump did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Frank and your article. Well, before I go there, let
me say this and share, o'tey. I love everything that flies.
Flying has been one of my passions in life. In fact,
many years ago, a friend and I built a little
airplane called an ultralight airplane. And for those of you
that don't know what ultras are, their lawn chairs with

(01:19:10):
wings that are propelled by snowmobile engines. Now I'll have
to build something you want to You wanna see how
it works? Right? Well, I ended up flying this ultra
light from New Jersey to Florida, to Texas to California,
UH through Canada to Alaska to the Arc, circling back
to New Jersey, and in doing so I kind of

(01:19:32):
made myself a little minor star in minor world of
sport aviation. The best thing that I got out of
that whole experience, Frank, is I met some of the
best people you can imagine. And some of those people
were the Tuske Gearman, you know. I was fortunate to
meet them while they were still alive. I also met many, many,

(01:19:53):
many women wax who served in the wasps as ferrier pilots,
and I spoke with a guy by name of Gabby Garbeski,
who was the top American ace in the European theater
in this Second World War. And I said, Gabby, it says,

(01:20:14):
you know, I know it's a pilot. It can get
pretty hairy. You know, you can get real white knuckle.
I can't imagine flying an airplane and having somebody shoot
at You can't imagine it. So where I'm getting at
is the tuske Gearman. In my opinion, they were real heroes,
and I think they would have been great pilots even
if the services were integrated at that day. The Woman

(01:20:40):
Air Force Service pilots, they did a yeoman's job. But
I'll tell you what has happened today is once again
these groups have been segregated. They've been segregated. The Tusky
Gearmen were great pilots, But it seems like whenever you
talk about aviation history, you gotta put in there the

(01:21:02):
Tuskegee pilots. You just can't talk about the Greek pilots
of World War Two. When you talk about the Wasp, Well,
now you know the reason they were faring aircraft is
at the time we did not want our women in combat. Now,
to be fair to everybody, we got to put our

(01:21:24):
women in combat, and some of those women have suffered.
Some of those women were taken prisoner during the Golf War,
and some of the treatment that they went through is
almost unspeakable. And the things that were done to them.
If the perpetrators were on the streets of New York

(01:21:45):
or Philadelphia, deserve to be in jail for long periods
of time. But this political correctness, Frank, this political correctness, ohole.
Whenever you talk about aviation, you got to include the tuskegeearmen.
Whenever you talk about baseball, you got to include a
conversation about Jackie Robinson. I mean, here we go, We're

(01:22:08):
another couple of weeks, We're coming up on the Super Bowl.
You know what the big word, Oh two African American quarterbacks.
I mean, when you look at the quarterback for the
Kansas City Chiefs, he looks more white than black. But
the conversation is another matchup between African American quarterbacks. Frank,
what I'm getting at is, I would love love to

(01:22:31):
stop talking about race. We love to stop separating.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Then we need to strid Then we need to stop
talking about race. There's there's someone there who is a
regent of the University of California system. But the name
of Ward Connerley, who I'm friends with, and that's what
he's been saying for almost twenty years. You want to
erase race, erase it, stop talking about it when we
when we're constantly going back, even even if we're taking

(01:22:58):
issue with it, we're still talking about race.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
You know, the point that I was making about the
Tuskegee Airmen and the wasps in my latest article was
that DEI co opted it and they made it. They
tried to make it their issue to be able to
pontificate on and say, this is something we're pushing in
our training. And somebody who makes these decisions, and I

(01:23:22):
think that he would fall into your category of the wacky,
made a decision that well, you know, if he wants
to get rid of the DEI, then we got to
get rid of this history. We can't teach this lesson anymore.
So that's the way we've got to be. That's disingenuous
at every level. You know, it's part of the history
of the Air Force. You teach the history of the

(01:23:43):
Air Force, you don't need to mention race, you don't
need to mention gender, you know, But you don't shy
away from it. Why it's reality. So we say what
it is. With the Skegee Airmen, yeah, they were a
black squadron. They did they did great work. God bless them.
I'm glad they were there. The women who of the

(01:24:04):
wasps excellent. I commend them. They did a great service.
They were all part of the team. But as Americans,
we don't need to say, well, see if you didn't
have if we didn't have affirmative action, if we didn't
have equal rights. Hey, we have an all volunteer army. Now,
if a woman is a great fighter and can and

(01:24:25):
make sure that she has all of the levels that
anybody should have on the field. And this is coming
from somebody who was in the Fire Service and worked
alongside women who were just as capable as any man
that I took as a partner going in there, then fine, outstanding.
But it has to be based on merit. Not your gender,

(01:24:47):
not your race, not your religion. It has to be
merit based. And I think that's where you know, if
you're reading Donald Trump's stuff, right, that's where we want
to go. It's the disingenuous players out there who are
trying to make into something that it's not. And they're
the ones that keep trying to advance the Balkanization of
the United States and the demographics based on the stuff

(01:25:09):
that they can put together to cobble together.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Fifty Yeah, Frank, as I said, I met many a
tuskegear and I met a lot of wasp. They were
all find great people. They really were. They really find
great people. And I agree with you, I especially agree
with you. If you want to if you want to

(01:25:33):
stop talking about race, you stop talking about race. If
you want to end the divide between the races, you
know what you do, Frank. You treat everyone the way
you want to be treated. And that ends it all.
That ends it all right there and then.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
And take all the and take all the boxes off
the forms. Who cares if you're applying for a job
in my corporation? Why do I care? If you have
the merit to be there and the ability to be there,
and you're the best candidate for the job, that's the
way it should be. Orchestras do it all the time.
Everybody auditions behind a screen, no one gets to see

(01:26:12):
who's playing, because they want the best person for that position.
Why does it stop there with the arts.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Frank Savada, we want to thank you for joining us.
Enjoy the time with you, Frank, but before you leave,
please give every audience to get information how they could
follow you. Read the things that you're right, listen to
your radio show.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
Anything, Everything that we do, anything that we produce is
at underground USA dot com as far as the podcast goes.
Anywhere podcasts can be heard, but the best way to
get to get the straight portal straight into your email
inbox for conventing the censers and the fact checkers is
to go to underground USA dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
As I do. Frank Savado, again, thank you so much
for joining us. Take care and God bless.

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
Anytime in Oly and you are.

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And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio
Show with Sharon Angel and you're truly Rick Drader coming
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our next guest is with him. It's great to meet him,
but please make that introduction.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Well, it's my pleasure to introduce Matthew Ganion, who is
the chief executive officer of the Main Policy Institute of
free market policy think tank based in Portland, Maine. Matt
has also been a calumnist for The Banger Daily News
and hosts the WGA and Morning News, the highest rated

(01:29:47):
news talk radio program in southern Maine. Prior to joining
Main Policy Institute, Met spent roughly a decade in Washington,
DC working for the Republican Governorsssociation, the National Republican Senatorial Committee,
and on Capitol Hill. He has been involved in more
than one hundred high profile political races in forty nine states,

(01:30:10):
in one industry recognition being named by Campaign and Election
Magazine as one of the top campaign strategies just in
the country in twenty thirteen. Matt, Welcome to the Conservative
Commando's radio show.

Speaker 6 (01:30:26):
It's my pleasure to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Well, we invited you because you've written a great article
that really hits home for us. California's suspension of environmental
regulations should be permanent. I couldn't say as stronger thank
you for writing this and aimen to that. Let's go
through some of those things and talk about what has

(01:30:51):
happened in California. It's basically what you're talking about in
this article has been the demise of that great state
of California. And really, I had say a cautionary tale
for the rest of the United States, I would say, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:10):
I think it is, and I think it actually makes
a lot of sense to sort of start at the beginning.
We're obviously talking about this because of the wildfires and
what's been taking place in southern California. That's really why
I wrote the article, because it was talking about sort
of how do you recover from that and what might
be standing.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
In the way.

Speaker 6 (01:31:27):
But if you back up, California has had problems for
a long time. This isn't brand new, This isn't something
that's all that surprising. People who actually live in the
state would tell you that they have a tremendous housing shortage,
which has caused prices to skyrocket. It's impossible to find
affordable housing basically anywhere in the state these days. I've
seen a number of studies that have tried to estimate

(01:31:48):
exactly how many houses short they are, and it's anywhere
from two point six million to three point two million
or somewhere in between. So they just don't build things.
They just don't produce what needs to be reduced. And
anybody who's familiar with markets and capitalism knows if there's
demand for something, people will try to fill it, and
they will fill it by building more widgets or creating

(01:32:10):
more houses or whatever it is that you're trying to
talk about in a market. And if they're not, there's
something wrong. There's something that's interfering with that. And in California,
the answer to the question of what's interfering with that
is predictably the government. Gavin Newsom just issued an executive
order in response to these wildfires, basically trying to find
a way to help people rebuild quickly. And what he

(01:32:32):
did in this executive order is he suspended the California
Environmental Quality Act. For the people who are rebuilding. This
is a pretty infamous program, some regulations in California that
have been around since the nineteen seventies and for decades
they've been strangling the state and anybody's attempt to put
an addition on their garage, let alone try to have
ten thousand houses built. And by suspending these I think

(01:32:54):
that Newsom is acknowledging that there's something standing in the way.
It's going to make projects take a lot longer than
they should, be much more expensive than they should, and
basically make the whole rebuilding process fail. So in doing this,
I think he inadvertently kind of acknowledges that there's a
really huge problem in California that needs to be solved.
The problem, of course, is that he gets halfway there

(01:33:16):
and doesn't actually understand the true lesson, which is that
they shouldn't be there in the first place, and they
should be permanently repealed, and that would go a long
way towards solving a lot of California's housing problems.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Well, I think that is a deficit that the Democrats
have at large. They get about halfway there, they speak
half of what really needs to happen, and that encourages us, Matt.
We get encouraged and we think, oh, these guys aren't
so bad as we thought they were, but they really are.

(01:33:48):
Because it is that kind of halfway stuff that's gotten
us in the trouble that we're in.

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
Yeah, and I think that, you know, if you're trying
to be charitable, a lot of this stuff comes from,
I guess, a desire to help or do the right
thing or whatnot right. The whole law in general began
with Ronald Reagan. Most people don't know this. He's the
one that signed the California Environmental Quality Act in nineteen
seventy and there was actually a Republican legislature in California
at the time, and when it began, it wasn't really

(01:34:17):
that much of a problem. They were trying to find
ways of making sure that when you build stuff that
you didn't do something insane, like, you know, dumb mercury
in the water or something. But what happened is over
the years, a lot of do gooder politicians in California,
and in California it became one party that really did this,
used that law and just built more requirements on top

(01:34:37):
of more requirements on top of more requirements. And now
when you try to engage in a building project in California,
it can take you months years, and your price can
go up by twenty five, fifty seventy five percent, and
it just takes the bottom out of any developer that's
trying to actually produce anything, making it not worth it.
And so when it's not worth it, nothing is built

(01:34:58):
and the price goes up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
And you asked the question, which is an interesting question,
and I want you I know we've kind of talked
about it in general, but I want you to really
talk about this. The question is, if these regulations are
an unnecessary hindrance for those recovering from the wildfires, why
are they necessary at all.

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
I think it's a pretty important question. I think it's
a pretty common sense question, you know. I guess really
what I would get to is the core of the
issue here. They're either important or they're not. And if
they're important when someone is trying to, you know, install
some stairs in an apartment complex of theirs, and they

(01:35:44):
have to wait a year and a half for the
approvals and the permits to come through and the environmental
studies to be done and the reports to be produced
before they can do that kind of thing. Why is
it not important when we're going to be doing that
times ten thousand, when we're going to be having all
of these home all of these apartment complexes, all of
these businesses rebuilt, Because if it is important here, it

(01:36:05):
should be important there. And I think the real answer
is that it's actually not important, And it's the right
thing to tell these people when they're rebuilding that they
don't have to put up with that they don't have
to they don't have to worry about this particular set
of regulations ruining their chances of maybe rebuilding their home
that they lost. And imagine being one of these people,
right and having to wait like two years before you

(01:36:26):
can actually move back into the house that was burned
down in a California wildfire. That was largely the responsibility
of politicians who didn't do what they were supposed to
do to make sure this kind of thing didn't happen
in the first place. It would turn you insane. I
can't imagine being that kind of person. And that's ultimately
why Newsome did this. The thing that makes me really
mad about it, Sharon, is that what he's trying to

(01:36:48):
do here is he's trying to kind of wrap himself
in the problem solver cloak and make himself look like
someone who's, you know, helping people to rebuild. He wants
to become the hero. And now these inviron mental regulations
are easily dispensed with when it makes Gavim Newsom into
a hero. But in any other context, he's happy to
champion them, and he says that they're great and we

(01:37:10):
should continue to use that, maybe just reform them and
tweak them a little.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Bit well, and that then begs the political question, are
they really truly interested in affordable housing? I know we're
having this same discussion here in Nevada. We need affordable housing,
and they're building apartments like crazy, but nobody can afford
twenty three hundred a month. That's not affordable housing. And

(01:37:37):
so then you have to say, well, they really aren't
building affordable housing, They're just building it. Out. This is
about making more money, and that's why they don't really
want to repeal these permanently because it would kind of
cut into the market. You know, you know how politics works.

(01:37:57):
So take me, take me back from this wall here
where I'm on the ledge, and I'm saying this is
all a political problem and it's not going to it's
not going to be solved at all.

Speaker 6 (01:38:11):
I'd love to walk you back from the ledge, but
I live in the Greater Portland region of Maine, where
we're doing the exact same thing. I mean, it's interesting
that most of the country actually has the same problem.
It's not just a California thing. They may be one
of the worst offenders, but basically everywhere in the country
has some sort of a housing crisis right now, and
it's always the same things that created At the end

(01:38:33):
of the day, it's funny that you described the issue
the way that you did, Sharon, because honestly, the developers
are going to find a way to make money no
matter what happens, whether you have these regulations you don't
have these regulations. They're gonna build what they can to
make a profit. I think that this is so insidious
because what it's ultimately done, is it has disincentivized anybody

(01:38:54):
being from making a project that would actually be reasonably
affordable because the have been piled up on them so
much that having like a, you know, a big complex
that actually might be reasonably affordable doesn't make any sense anymore.
Here in in Portland, Maine, we have things like inclusionary zoning,
we have rent control, we have a Green New Deal,

(01:39:15):
you know, sort of a proposal in the city that
that just inflates costs to such a degree that why
would I make a low income type, you know, large
scale housing project when I could do condos or I
could create a you know, a larger complex for wealthier
individuals and make my margin there. So by trying to
help and making it so unaffordable to do this, all

(01:39:38):
they've done is they've incentivized exactly the wrong kind of
housing that they don't want to incentivize. And we're all
complaining about that that's not that's not a real part
is an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Well, and here's here's the appshot of the whole thing.
Our homeless population has increased, and the reason is because
it's cheaper to couch surf see, cheaper to have a
cardboard box. It's less responsibility, less having to worry about bills,
less having to consider how do I make ends meet?

(01:40:09):
If I just go on the homeless market, get a
shower down there at you know, join the gym and
get a shower once in a while, sleep in my car,
whatever it is there, they have priced themselves clear into it.
Another problem is what we're seeing.

Speaker 6 (01:40:29):
I think that they've so ruined the economics of this
that people make rational decisions. And if your rational decision
is to pursue a path that you know, sort of
makes you more able to afford your life over here,
and it's you know, less than less than advantageous. You know,
maybe you're a homeless person, maybe you're in Section eight housing,
whatever it is, you're going to take it. It's you know,

(01:40:51):
people are rational economic actors. They're going to do what's
in their own financial best interest. Which is one of
the reasons why the United States and States California, their
welfare systems are so backwards and upside down.

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
There.

Speaker 6 (01:41:03):
They're incentivizing all the wrong kind of behavior and they're
basically creating the very thing that they purport to solve,
you know, the affordable housing one drives me nuts because
the government solution to that is always government centric, taxpayer
funded low income housing projects, and they build these things,
they take forever. They're terrible, nobody wants to live in them,
and there's nowhere near enough, and you know, the market

(01:41:25):
is demanding something that they can't possibly satisfy and provide,
and so people end up doing other things, whether that's
being homeless or or having other options moving further out.
I mean, it increases urban sprawl. You want to look
at the problems of California, one of the big ones
is that everything is spread out like that, and that's
because people keep going further and further away because it's

(01:41:47):
the last affordable thing, you know, and you commute in
forty five minutes or an hour. I mean, when I
lived in Washington, I consider doing that. I was not
really making a heck of a lot of money at
the time, and in order to work in the city,
the only place I could really think about living that
made any sense whatsoever, was like almost an hour away,
and it was an insane commute to come in. You know,

(01:42:08):
that's the decision we're making people do right now because
of our policies.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Absolutely correct, It's just it's just an amazing thing to
me that you and I can sit here and talk
about this and in ten minutes we can solve the problem.

Speaker 6 (01:42:24):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
And we elect people like Gavin Newsom. I should not
say that I did not elect him. I did not
vote for him. But you know, people like Gavin Newsom
are elected and they pat us on the head and
say we'll solve this. But the solution they come up
with takes months, if not years, and it's never the

(01:42:46):
correct one. It's mind boggling to me. And because of that,
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Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio
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Gunon for saying with his he's the chief executive officer

(01:45:50):
of the Main Policy Institute, and we're talking about California's
suspension of environmental regulations. Should be permanent. Hey Matt, thank
you for holding through that break. We really do appreciate
your time, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
Oh, always a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Hey Matt, before we go any feather, why don't you
tell us a little bit about the Main Policy Center. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
Main Policy Institute is one of I don't know more
than fifty thing tanks across the country that work on
individual state policy issues for places like may in California, Texas, Colorado, wherever.
We've been around for about twenty two years and we
work primarily in Augusta on things affecting main policy from

(01:46:32):
the state side of things. We do touch on some
federal policy, but a lot of what we do actually
is very similar to what we're talking about today, talking
about housing regulations, talking about taxes, talking about sort of
the unintended consequences of a lot of very silly government decisions.
That's got all my day jobs all about.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
All right. You know, Matt Any in your article you
talk about crises, and you're right, and I quote you, sir.
Like most of the rest of the country, californ has
largely self created housing crisis. Well, I think creating crisis
is a California think. They've created a power crisis, an

(01:47:10):
auto crisis, a tax crisis, so now they have the
housing crisis. And I'll be honest with you, I don't
know how optimistic you are about California not only suspending
their regulations but permanently suspending regulations and do the things

(01:47:31):
that it needs to do to rebuild California. And I'll
tell you where I'm coming from that. On May thirteenth,
nineteen eighty five, May thirteenth, nineteen eighty five, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
a liberal run city. They haven't had a Republican mayor
in my lifetime, and that's pretty darn long lifetime now.

(01:47:55):
But there was a group called Move group called Move
and they were radical back to the nature type group.
They had two row homes that they barricaded off. There
was some reports that the children were being abused, rats, roaches,
place was infested with them. So the city sent License

(01:48:18):
and Inspection out to do an investigation of these accusations
child abuse. They wouldn't license an inspection in so then
the police showed up and what ensued was a five
hour running gun battle. Over five thousand rounds of ammunition
was fired was exchanged. The MARI at that time Wilson

(01:48:43):
Good ended this situation by dropping a bomb on the
top of the house. The bomb exploded, put the house
on fire, put the neighboring houses on fire. One hundred
and fifty one houses burned, burnt down before Wilson Good
let the fire company go in to put the fire out. Now,

(01:49:06):
why I'm pessimistic about lessons learned in California? Do you
know who are the people of Philadelphia reelected as the
mayor the next the lice Wilson Good. Wilson Good. Now, Matt.
Five years ago there was the Paradise Fire in California.

(01:49:27):
Ten thousand houses burnt down in that fire. You know
how many have been rebuilt five years later, about twenty
five hundred, about twenty five hundred out of the thousand.
And speaking to some of the people because we broadcast
up in that area, we got towers up in that area,

(01:49:49):
and speaking to some of the people, they say, part
of it's the it's the regulations. It's the regulations. So, Matt,
what makes you think that this the the southern California
fires are finally going to get these people in California,
like Gabin Newssom to finally come to their senses and

(01:50:11):
say we got to do things differently. I mean, we
had the Paradise fires, now we've got the fires in
southern California. And these fires aren't unique. It seems like
every year California is on fire.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
They are.

Speaker 6 (01:50:28):
To be very clear, I'm not optimistic at all. I
hate to be the rain cloud on our conversation, but
I'm really not. But with a caveat, I'll add a
little caveat to my pessimism about this. I think the
main reason I'm not very optimistic is because I have
two eyes and I can see that California is at
this point in dystopia, and they continue to send back

(01:50:48):
exactly the wrong kind of people doing the exact wrong
kind of things. The little twinge, the little tiny bit
of optimism I have is not about like in the
next year or two. It's in the longer term for California.
In the longer term for California. Someday they will emerge
from this. They will. I really do believe that someday
they will emerge from this when it really does get

(01:51:09):
so bad that they have no option. I mean, look
at Argentina right now and what's going on down there
with hop here Malay and everything that's happening in that country.
It got so bad that they elected basically a guy
who wants to entire entirely destroy the state, which is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:51:26):
You know, you can go to America, though, and you
can look at examples here it's not quite that dramatic.
But if you go to the you know, New York
City in the nineteen eighties, in early nineteen nineties, you
see a crumbling social fabric. I mean, you couldn't take
the subway without feeling like you were going to get
mugged or or perhaps you know, physically assaulted. You have
graffiti everywhere, you have prostitution everywhere. You have a city

(01:51:49):
that's just it is falling apart, and at some level,
you know, people got so fed up with it that
they turned to Mayor Rudy Giuliani and said, please, for
the love of all that is only, clean this up
for us, Please do this. And there was a smashing
success in doing so, which really kind of carried that
city through for multiple decades. Now they've obviously sipped slipped
back since and this is kind of the pattern we see,

(01:52:10):
right is you know, you fix things, things get better,
and then you have the same problems that created it
in the first place re emerging because the do gooders
come back again and say, well, we can make this
really good society just a little bit better if you
just listen to us, and we institute these regulations, we
have these new laws, et cetera. And it doesn't work,
But that doesn't mean it can't change. And I do
think it can, but it really is going to require

(01:52:31):
the people in California being fed up to such a
degree that they demand change.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Well, Matt, it seems like the southern California fires are
probably they're going to be one of them, if not
the most expensive disaster in our country's history, one of them.
And I've got a solution. And I want to put
this out there for our friends out there in California,
because I do have a solution. Off the coast of

(01:52:57):
California is a billion barrels of oil, couple billions of
cubic feet of natural gas, Matt. They have the resources
to rebuild, is what I'm getting it. But again, they've
got to change their mindset. They've got to change your thinking.

(01:53:18):
They got to do what they said they don't want
to do. Oh, they want to go to the American people.
They want to go to Sharon, Nevada, Matt Maine, Rick
in New Jersey, and everywhere else. And they want us
to make them whole again when they have the ability
to make themselves whole.

Speaker 6 (01:53:40):
Yeah, no, they do, indeed. And if you want to
start listing the things that California has for advantages that
it isn't exploiting, you can talk about the gigantic deposits
of rare earth materials that they have sitting under the
earth that they refuse to allow themselves to go mine
because it would be a devastating environmental problem. You know,
they don't do that kind of thing. And instead, now
we offshore all production of those types of materials which

(01:54:03):
are essential to circuits and everything we do in our
modern age to China and we have them do it,
which you know, I think feeds us something like ninety
five percent of the rarest materials that we actually use.
Great idea, awesome, And sitting right there in California is
a gold mine, literal gold mine for them, and they
could exploit it and they don't. And that's repeated in

(01:54:24):
you know, so many different ways, issue after issue in
that state.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
You know, they when you were talking with Sharon about
this California Environmental Quality Act and you said it was
actually signed by Ronald Reagan, doesn't approve they road to
Hell is paved with good intentions.

Speaker 6 (01:54:40):
It certainly does.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
I mean, that's that's the thought that Ronald Reagan would
be rolling into Grave with that. And I used to
think that the only mistake that Ronald Reagan made was
when he granted amnesty the three million people. But maybe
this is number two.

Speaker 6 (01:54:57):
But I think it's a similar logic, right you. It
really presupposes good intentions in the people who would follow
up that act. I mean you talk about the amnesty
that he that he sort of spearheaded, right, you know,
if the country actually took its border seriously and it
reformed its immigration process and whatnot, you know, granting an
amnesty like that for a one time and then fixing

(01:55:18):
the rest of it for all time wouldn't have been
that offensive to anyone. The problem was that everybody that
came after him decided to just pretend like we didn't
have a border and pretend like we actually didn't need
to manage that situation whatsoever. And the same is true here.
He assumed that some very minor, some very marginal environmental
protections was you know, something that was worth doing and

(01:55:39):
to try to protect people and whatnot. I probably, you know,
if I could go back in time, would have told
him not.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
To do it.

Speaker 6 (01:55:44):
But the problem was everyone that came after him and everybody.
See the thing about government is they always build on
what exists. You are creating a base upon which everyone
is going to build upon. They will never pull them back,
they will only add to them. So that's one of
the reasons why I always tell people on the political
right never agree ever to expand government to you know,

(01:56:07):
have a new department to grow things, because twenty years,
thirty years from now, that little baby thing that you
just created, that seed will germinate and create a plant.
And you know, Department of Educations like that, right, started
as a little thing, and now it's taken over our
entire lives federally. This happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
You know, Matt. Even though I'm in my deep seventies now,
my short term memory is not as good as it
was when I was in my forties. My long term
memory is pretty good. I can remember when I was
a young teenager, like thirteen, fourteen years old, hearing is
in California about fires, floods, mudslides, the need for water.

(01:56:48):
And at that time, the population of California was fourteen
million people. Now, let's so for forty million people, they've
done nothing to solve these problems over fifty years. They've
done nothing to solve these problems. Over fifteen years. You
talk about, you talked about New York City. New York

(01:57:10):
City got so bad they've finally elected somebody, likely Rudy Giuliani,
to clean it up. But again, does California have to
get to the bottom of the drain before they start
to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps? Does it

(01:57:33):
have to get that bad? Cannot people learn from lessons
that they've experienced already.

Speaker 6 (01:57:40):
You would hope, so, you would hope.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
So.

Speaker 6 (01:57:42):
I think there is one key element that we need
to make sure that we also acknowledge too. It's not
just that the opportunity is provided to you because the
state or the city, or you know, the country or
whatever has fallen to such a state. You also have
to have the ability to take advantage of that failure.
And the thing about Juliani that he made sense to
a lot of people in New York, right. He was

(01:58:03):
a law and order justice kind of guy, and he
was all about cleaning things up, and he's well spoken,
and he was able to really take how people felt
and turn it into something that was politically potent that
would allow him to win. I think you definitely saw
that with Trump and both of his election wins, certainly
this last one, which was far more successful with him
having the popular vote and whatnot. I think in California,

(01:58:25):
it's gonna require not only everyone being fed up, but
somebody or a movement has to be there be able
to actually say to people, Look, you are unhappy, here
is why you are unhappy, and here is a better
way forward that'll fix these things, and and telling. Unless
someone like that comes around to be able to actually
articulate to people, I think they're going to be waiting
for change.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
Right, Mat Gunjong, We want to thank you so much
to join. Matt is the chief executive officer the Main
Policy Institute. Hey, Matt, please leave our audience with way
to connect with you to read things that you're right.
Find out more about the Main Policy Institute.

Speaker 6 (01:59:05):
Main Policy Institute can be found online at Mainepolicy dot org.
We also have a substack at mainepolicy dot substack dot com.
You can find me pretty much anywhere. I'm all over
the place, but I'm certainly on ex Twitter or whatever
it's called these days. You can find me there. And
I have my own substacked pretensive knowledge dot substack dot com,
so you can find me there as well. And I'm
always doing interviews like this, so anytime you see my.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
Face, Hey, matt do you miss the swamp?

Speaker 6 (01:59:30):
Do I miss it? Absolutely not. I loved the city,
but I did not miss the swamp at all when
I left, all right, not in the last.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
But Matthew Kenyon again, thank you so much for joining us.
Take care and God bless.

Speaker 6 (01:59:42):
Thanks so much, guys, But.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
For now we're out of time. That means that we
get it run and we gotta go take care, God bless,
and we'll see it tomorrow. That's gonna be on TV
and on radio.

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
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