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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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(00:28):
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back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
It is indeed, it is indeed, it's the eleventh hour
of the eleventh day of the eleventh month. Should be
very very very momental to every American.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
What's your take, Well, I think you're exactly right, because
our nation on November eleventh pauses to honor veterans.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's why it's called Veterans Day. It's a day that.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Reminds us of the extraordinary men and women who have
worn the uniform of the United States of America. And
since seventeen seventy six, when citizen soldiers first took up
arms to secure our independence and allow America to be
a free, in independent state, generations of veterans have stood

(01:42):
up as guardians of America's freedom. So we have an
awful lot to be grateful for. It's not just the
folks who are in the military today, of course, I'm
not suggesting they're not also worthy of this honor. I'm
just saying this goes on for generations because these individuals,
both the ones today and the ones generations ago, not

(02:04):
only fought to defend our homeland, but they also were
protecting liberty around the world. In many cases they were
helping our friends and allies so that they could remain free.
And you know, you look at the Revolutionary War, then
you go through the battlefields of Europe and the Pacific
and what you see, and of course even Korea and Vietnam,

(02:27):
the attempts there were to try to protect people from
in some cases communism or fascism, and i was in
all cases Marxism, but totalitarianism that comes from Marxism. And
what's very interesting to me is that these veterans have
carried forward a very important legacy of courage, sacrifice, and service,

(02:48):
and they've endured hardship, risking everything, and then obviously too
often they've had to give their lives as a sacrifice
for our country that we might have peace and security.
But today being Veterans Day, is a day hopefully to
honor them, not just with words, but with gratitude in
our hearts.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, George, I like to think that all Americans honor
our veterans every day, not just on November eleventh, But
November eleventh was set aside to serve as serve to
honor all of those who have served in the US
Armed Forces, and it's kind of Veterans Day has kind

(03:31):
of evolved. It was originally Armistice Day, which marked the
end of World War One, and you know, banks and
post offices were typically closed, while most other businesses remained open,
and many restaurants offer free meals and discounts to veterans
on this day. And the purpose was to honor men

(03:53):
and women, as I said, during the First World War,
but over time, as I said, that it has evolved.
The holiday was originally called Armises Day, which was changed
to Veterans Day in nineteen fifty four by President Eisenhower
to honor all veterans, not just those from what were

(04:17):
one And as I said, George, I really do believe
that the American people should always honor our veterans. I
do you know, you walk around a store, you walk
around in Walmart or a grocery store. A lot of
veterans today are wearing hats to symbolize that they did serve.

(04:37):
And I always, always, always acknowledge them and say God
bless you, and God bless your service to our country
to sacrifice what they did, and many at a very
very very young age, even before they've had an opportunity
to experience life. That right out of high school, a

(04:59):
lot of them enlisted or were drafted, or even some
before they graduated from high school to go into the
service at that young age. My gosh, what a sacrifice exactly.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
And during World War Two there were a number of
people who lied about their age because they wanted to
serve their country. And I don't think that makes them
a liar. I think what that makes them say is
I want to fight for my nation and protect my nation.
And the fact that I'm, in your opinion, too young
is unimportant to me, because I'm ready to.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Make that sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
But I think you know, to every veteran past and present,
we here at the Conservative Commandos offer them a sincere
thank you for your service, your sacrifice, and your unwavering
devotion to the Constitution of the United States and the
ideals of America. And they remind us that freedom is
never free. It is earned, it is protected, and it's

(05:59):
cherish by those who are willing to stand in its defense.
And our veterans have obviously done that, and so we
all owe them a significant debt of gratitude.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Well, George, even one of our greatest heroes, you talk
about people leaving high school and going to sign up.
Audie Murphy, one of the great American heroes, a Medal
of Honor of Winner. After the attack on Pearl Harbor,
Murphy's older sisters help him falsify documents about his birthdate

(06:37):
to meet the age for enlistment. When he went in,
he was only fifteen, George, he was only fifteen, and
he came out, as I said, one of our most
highly decorated soldiers of all time. And you know that
was just what That's just one example of what you

(06:57):
were talking about of young men who went into service
even before they were legally able to at such a
young age.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, and that some people might say, oh, well, that
was fraudulent to lie. And I'm thinking of myself now.
Fraud usually means you lie to obtain a benefit for yourself,
not that you lie so that you can qualify to
serve your nation and serve others and put yourself at
risk on their behalf. And so that's one of the
things where I think anybody who kind of is critical

(07:31):
of these young men who lied about their age, I
think what we ought to do is recognize that they
are truly heroes and that their conviction of wanting to
serve so desperately their nation that they did not use
their age as a way to walk away.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
So it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
It is, indeed, it is indeed, As I said, I
believe everybody should honor everyone who served served, honor play.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, going on back to seventeen seventy six, it's a
lot of people.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
But you know what's.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Interesting is on Sunday afternoon, President Donald Trump attended a
regular season football game, and that was the first time
since nineteen seventy eight that a president has attended a
regular season NFL football game. And he attended that game
because he was participating in a halftime ceremony which honored
veterans and recognized new military recruits that were being sworn in.

(08:30):
For example, the event included patriotic tributes, military recognition. A
flyover by Air Force One was.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Also part of the celebration.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
So it's kind of interesting because that means that he
was apparently down in Florida earlier in the day on Sunday,
and he made a point of flying up to Washington
so he could be at that football game because he
wanted to begin and kick off a important celebration of
our veterans. And like you said, it shouldn't just be
on the November eleventh, It certainly should be on that

(09:02):
day that we have a real focus on it. It's
kind of like, you know, I would argue that Thanksgiving is.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Wonderful, but I'm hoping that's.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Not the only day of the year that we're thankful
and that we feel that it's a good idea to
say thank you for many of the good things in
our lives and the blessings and so forth. So I
think it's the same principle. But what you've defined, which
is we ought to do this every day of the year.
Maybe not a full blown day like Veterans Day where

(09:30):
we have flyovers and other things, but we definitely ought
to always honor our veterans in the same way that
we ought to always be thankful. And on the fourth
of July, we should be grateful that we're free nation
and for our founding fathers, but not shouldn't be the
only day we care. It might be the only day
that we have a huge celebration that we get off

(09:51):
work for. But I would hope that every single day
Americans walk around saying themselves, aren't we lucky to have
had leaders like George Washington and Damas Jefferson and all
the others that there were. Many of them aren't even
famous because we had such a huge number of great
leaders that a number of them don't make the history books.

(10:13):
But it doesn't mean they.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Weren't great leaders. So anyhow, I just I feel like
you're right about that.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Well, georgees I say, I always like to recognize them
when I they're wearing a piece of a hat, a
jacket or something to signify their veteran. And you know what, George,
they're always, always, always grateful and appreciative. They always comment back, Oh,
thank you so much, God bless you too. I mean

(10:42):
it just it makes me feel good that I'm making
them feel good and I'm recognizing the sacrifice that they've
made for this country. I wish I could do more
of it, but I've done hundreds and hondreds and hundreds
of times at a situation I've never served, okay, but

(11:04):
my father was a shipyard worker and one of these
ships that he worked on was the Great air Craft
Carrier Kittie Hawk. And I have a hat, uss Kittihawk,
And once I was wearing it in a Walmart and
a lady come up to me and said, well, thank

(11:24):
you for your service, and I didn't know what she
was talking about, and then it dawned to me the hat,
the hat. I had to chase her down and say, listen,
I need to explain. I'm not a veteran, but my
dad worked on a Kitti Hawk. That's about have this hat.
But I like to think I know, and I like

(11:44):
to think that I'm not the only person that does it,
that everyone does it, or at least everyone should do it.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Some example, I can remember after nine to eleven and
American troops went abroad to try to stop the terrorists
and so forth. I remember being at an airport restaurant
and there was a young fellow there in his uniform.
He was flying to report for duty. And I thought
to myself, I think I'd like to pay for his lunch.

(12:17):
So I asked the waitress that was also our waitress,
you know, to instead of giving him the bill, just
to give it to me and.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I would take care of it. And she said, okay,
oh God for that, George. But I feel like we.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Ought to always find ways to let them know that
we appreciate their service and their sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
You know, George, is something that used to be a tradition,
and I kind of think it's gone by the wayside
As they say, I knew a guy worked for him
is his name was Bob, and he and he and
his family just moved to the area from Texas and

(12:56):
they really didn't know anyone. They really didn't have any
family here. So what they did is they went to
Fort Dix and picked up a couple of soldiers on
Thanksgiving and brought them home for dinner. And I thought
that was really kind of a neat tradition. However, from
what I understand, the military doesn't allow that anymore, and

(13:18):
I think that's so sad. George, let's let's go to
a break. And you are listening to and watching the
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(13:43):
we're hodering Veterans Day today. God bless all our veterans.
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 (16:50):
And welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Commando's Radio
Show with George Landriffin. You'res Julie Rick Traider comment to
you from the Michael Studious My Store studios of the
aun TV network. Well, George, a few Democrats finally it
looks like finally have come to their census and are

(17:14):
stopping this stupid, very stupid government shutdown. I think the
outcome was known right from the beginning. What my belief
was is they were trying to sticky up the works,
get past election day and then oh well, just enough
of them would vote to reopen the government. And that's

(17:35):
exactly what has happened, George. They were looking to get
past election day, the hurt Republicans or Republican chances of
being elected or reelected, and well, it looks like we
finally might get back to business.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
In the Senate, at least eight Democrats were only to
side with the Republicans. Of course, they had to pass
a new bill because the the last one was passed
initially by the House and then the Senate sat on
it for basically forty some days and kept the government
shut down because the Democrats refused to support the idea
of moving forward. It was a clean bill, meaning it

(18:15):
didn't have a lot of political stuff in it. It
basically just said, here's what our current funding is, and
so we will keep that in place because some of
the funding had had left, for example through the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
For example, on the.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Affordable Care Act, they had worked to pass major subsidies
during the Biden years and they were going to expire
this year with their vote and their support because they
were supposed to be temporary.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
But now they want them permanent.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
And they Republicans said no way. But that's because they
want to hide from the American public what Obamacare or
the so called Affordable Care Act is done. But it's
very interesting because now what has to happen because the
bill that was first passed some time ago by the
House and then the Senate sat on them, was only
going to keep the government open until sometime in the

(19:04):
mid and mid November. So obviously, now we're coming upon
mid November in the next few days, so they had
to pass a new version of it that extends a
little further out into I think January, which then gives
them the opportunity to hopefully vote on and pass some
budget things. And I wouldn't I hope the Republicans don't

(19:25):
cave in and then give Democrats the victory on these things,
because we don't need to be wasting billions of dollar,
hundreds of billions of dollars hiding facts from the American
public about what a disaster Obamacare and the Effordable Care
Active ben because that's what they want. That's what they're
holding everyone hostage for.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Was you know two things.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
We want you to give us money so we can
give welfare benefits to the illegal aliens here because we
want to keep them here because they're important voters for us.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
That was part of it.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
And the other part was we want you to commit
hundreds of billions of dollars to fund hiding from the
American public would have disaster Obamacare or the Affordable Care
Active BEN. So I would hope that Republicans do not
cave in the future on that. They didn't yet and
one of the things that's funny. I had a friend

(20:19):
who was saying, I don't know, we'll have to see
if this is a good deal or not, because maybe
the Republicans caved. I mean myself, Well, all day long,
I've been hearing Hakeem Jefferies complain vehemently about what an
awful bill it is and how he and his companions
it was.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
So awful, Georg, why have they been voting it? You know, yeah,
they voted just a few months ago. They have voted
for it. And if it's such an awful bill, you know,
why did they keep voting for it?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
And then of course on the view they were all
talking about how the Democrats caved in and gave in
to the Republicans and how it was evil that they'd
done that. So that tells me that the Republicans did
the right thing, because if if Hakeem Jeffries doesn't like
what you've done, you've done the right thing. An example
would be if if you had a neighbor who was
in a wheelchair and they it was a snowstorm, and

(21:09):
so you went over and shoveled their driveway. Hakeem Jeffries
would criticize you for that because Hakeem Jeffries is a
lousy human being, and so would the view because they're
lousy human beings. They're also low IQ human beings. But anyhow,
so it's been kind of, you know, very interesting to see.
But on Sunday, the Senate reached a deal where they

(21:30):
would temporarily fund the federal agencies through January thirtieth, and
it included covering veterans programs and military construction, et cetera.
And I think it was a longer term on the
military things, and I would those would be about three
years of coverage, meaning that that way, if there's a
future shut down, that it wouldn't involve shutting down the military.

(21:53):
But anyhow, it does restore programs like food assistants and
veterans benefits, but under the old rules and under the
old procedures, not saying that we're going to give it
to illegal aliens and so forth. So that's why summer.
But it is interesting. The breakthrough came when eight Democratic
senators joined the Republicans to overcome a filibuster, agreeing to

(22:14):
move forward on this legislation. Of course, it does not
extend healthcare subsidies, which was a key demand on their part,
and it does not provide for illegal aliens to be
getting welfare benefits. And the Republicans have said that they're
happy to vote on those issues later, meaning we'll get
the government opened and then if we want to have

(22:36):
debates like we do on every bill, we'll debate that
with you. And I'm hoping they all stand firm and
do what they.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Said they would do.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
So now the House is reconvening and they're going to
vote on this revised package because obviously that's it's substantially
the same, but the dates are different, and that's relevant
because passings in the opens the government for a day
or two, doesn't release all many problems, so you got
to get go a little further than that. But anyhow,
Speaker Johnson has called back members to Washington and signaling

(23:09):
that the final passage should come within days. Some say
it may happen on Wednesday, so other wards by tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
We'll see.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
But anyhow, if it's approved, the government will reopen and
they'll be able to people who are living without paychecks
and stuff like that. And the concern about whether or
not we'll have airports that function and open, those things
will all go away, and that's good news.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well, George, I really do think that paying the military
should not be under discretionary. I think that should be mandatory.
I think that should be an entitlement. Okay, I mean
there's so many other entitlements, in my opinion, and our crap,
like food stamps, welfare and all these social giveaway programs.

(23:57):
I did hear that there was one agreement that kind
of got these Democrat senators who agree to reopen the
government is that in December they were going to debate
and vote on these healthcare substies. Now, George, was that
something that they are agreed to just to save face

(24:21):
or is that something they're still going to press this
they're still going to press bailing out the good money
after bad of Obamacare. Or was it just for them
to save face to say, look, we did get something.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Maybe that's what it was for.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
But of course they didn't actually get anything except an
agreement that they'll have a debate and held a vote.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
And I'm hoping now would that be part of the
spending bill or would that be a standalone bill stand alone?

Speaker 4 (24:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
What I'm concerned about is some whiny SINNETI knows rhinos.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Republicans name only that will vote to fund Obamacare and
illegals under Obamacare, and that I hope it is if
it is a standalone bill, that if it does pass
and get to and gets to the President's desk, that
he could then veto it.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
That's my understanding, because this bill that they will be
voting on probably tomorrow or maybe maybe day after tomorrow,
but in the House, because you know, it is special
January thirtieth, So if they're debating something in November, actually
me in December, it's obviously a different.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Issue because you know, the Republicans have such a narrow
margin in the House and in the Senate. If just
a few Republicans vote for this, it would have a
real chance of passing. But again, if it's a standalone bill,
the president can veto and they will, they would not

(26:07):
get three what is it, two thirds to override veta.
They would I really don't think that they would then
be able to get two sards to vote to override
the president's veto, and this thing would be, thank god shutdown.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, I would agree, because they're basically wanting hundreds of
billions of dollars in the future to make sure that
the average American doesn't realize how much damage the Affordable
Character is done to our system, because the reality is,
costs for health insurance have gone up by over three
hundred percent, close to four hundred percent if I recall

(26:45):
it correctly, But that's insane. We all knew this would
make healthcare more expensive. I can remember talking about it
here on the Conservative Commandos back then, and the reality
is we were very skeptical of it doing any good
at all, and I remember us talking about how silly

(27:06):
it was that was named the Affordable Care Act.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
And now we have proof.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
It's no longer a theory, it's no longer anything like that.
The reality is it's proof we now know that the
Affordable Care Act has done nothing to promote healthcare in America,
but done a lot to make it way, way more expensive.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
George, you think it's time to make the FAA similar
to what the Post Office is, an entity unto itself,
so that next time there's one of these lockdowns and
they're gonna come, at least the FAA and the air
traffic controllers would continue to operate and be paid the

(27:51):
same as the postal employees have continued to operate and
be paid.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's an interesting idea.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
It certainly could work different entities of government because some
of them are funded through user fees. They're not funded
by tax dollars.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Isn't the airport.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Those stayed open, And obviously airports are funded commercially, meaning
when people buy tickets, some portion of your ticket price
is going to the airport. So maybe that's what they
need to do, is have the FAA get some of
its money that way so that they can stay open.
Because as long as they're relying on tax dollars to pay,

(28:30):
then you're right that and that's you know, dangerous because
it's not just that people get stranded in places. It's
also a lot of our economic activity occurs via airplanes
as well, and so we probably don't want to You
wouldn't want to shut down highways like highways are you know,
federally owned or.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know, maintained.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I understand they may not be fixing the highways during
the shutdown, but the highways are still available for use
and open, and you wouldn't really want to shut down
the highways just because there's a government shut down, I
would argue the same thing at airports.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
All right, George, let's get a break in here, because
after this break, we do have a couple of great
interviews scheduled for you hear on the Conservative Commanders radio show.
Jim sins is an investigative journalists, economist, and former budget
examiner for the White House Office of Management of Budget,
of Management and Budget. We'll be joining us also Wayne Cruz,

(29:31):
who's the regulatory who follows recertory studies at the Competitive
Enterprise Institute. This is the Conservative Commandos. Our maturator my
cos is George Landrath, and we'll be back with those
interviews right after this break.

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Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos. I'm glad you're stuck
around because we always have the very best guests on
TV and radio, and we've got Jim Simpson here to
prove it. Jim is an inventigative journalist and economist. He's
a former budget examiner at the White House Office of
Management and Budget and he's best known for his relentless

(33:10):
work exposing the Marxist playbook driving America's political crisis. And
he's done a lot of research that has helped fuel,
for example, Glenn Beck series on the Cloward pivot strategy
that appears in documentaries like Agenda, Grinding Down America's America,

(33:31):
Grinding excuse me, Grinding.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
America Down, and Enemies Within.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
And he's written a very good book one that I
think is definitely worth reading, and that is Manufactured Crisis,
The War to End America. And this book takes a
look and does a deep dive into the chaos that
we've seen from weaponized government agencies to cultural subversion.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
And he's not really just presenting a theory. He's showing you.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
The evidence of these things, the facts behind these things,
and the roadmap of the forces determined to dismantle our republic,
complete with names, dates, and tactics. So it's a very
educational book and I think it will help you as
Americans to preserve America because then you will be wiser
and more prescient in your observance of what's happening. Because

(34:22):
sometimes politicians are really good at hiding their agenda. And
the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. So Jim's gonna
help us be more vigilance. So anyhow, in this interview,
you're going to walk through the evidence and talk about solutions. Jim,
can you start off? The title of the book is
a manufactured crisis. Some people might say, oh, well, it's
just a crisis. It wasn't manufactured. It's just unfortunate. This

(34:44):
is very manufactured. So you're right, but I wanted you
to help us understand that and explain why.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Thanks.

Speaker 10 (34:48):
First, first, let me thank you for having me on.
It's great to be here with you. I'd like to
start out with a quote from Vladimir Lenin, who w
it's the first leader of the Soviet Union in nineteen
seventeen when they took over in really what was a coup.
It wasn't a revolution at all. And this is not

(35:10):
a direct quote. It's a quote from a person that
I know who was a radical leftist and got red
pilled by seeing what communism was really actually about. But
he had been very involved and for example, the Salvador
and Civil War, and he lost a very good friend

(35:31):
by the Communists, and so he became virulently anti communist.
But he knows more about it than anybody I've ever
met before. So here's what Lenin said. Deepen the contradictions,
that is, exacerbate, exaggerate, or create problems social and ethnic

(35:53):
differences and discrepancies and disparities, rifts, etc. And if they
don't exist, create them, or if you can't create them,
convincingly claim that they exist, and then deepen them, and
then in the profit and the process, profit the most
from them in any way you can politically, ideologically, and
financially of course, always to bankroll the left. They like

(36:14):
being rich, and in the resulting chaos blame the other
side for everything that they're doing, and finally come up
with solutions that will deepen the crises and make things worse,
on and on and on, creating ever more crises until
the finally the capitalist society which they have targeted, which

(36:37):
America has always been the main enemy, is collapsed, and
then they can build a socialist country under Bolshevik supervision
on the road to communism, and that's what we're watching
happening before our eyes today.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Absolutely, I think it's much more obvious now than it
was earlier. An example would be they're now running people
who are self proclaimed socialists, and back then, to be honest,
if you were to ask people like Lenin what he was,
he would tell you he was a socialist, and so
was Mussolini. So was Giovanni Gentile.

Speaker 10 (37:17):
Yeah you know, was Hitler really?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
No, Hitler exactly. Hitler was a card carrying socialist.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yes he was.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
And I think we have to understand that reality because
in modern world socialism, I think some people think it's like, oh, well,
that's kind of like, you know nations that have a
huge welfare state. Yeah, no, not Actually that may be
an element towards socialism. But an example would be Norway
still has a market economy. So I think we've gotten
confused is what a socialist is. So they're now happy

(37:46):
to admit their socialists, or they didn't used to be
willing to. I think everyone understood if you'd ask someone
in nineteen forty five what it meant to be a socialist,
they would have seen it as being a communist.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Exactly, or a fascist, because that's what they you know,
the two were.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
But anyhow, I thought I would just ask you to
help us understand when this began, because, for example, maybe
I'm wrong about this, but if you go back in time,
there was a time when the Democratic Party wasn't universally
supportive of socialism. An example would be, I'm not so
sure that mister Truman was supportive of it. And I

(38:22):
go back in time to someone like a John F. Kennedy,
who John F. Kennedy seemed to be anti communist near
as I can tell, he was in his time frame,
was considered liberal, but by today's standards, he'd probably be
a Republican if you look at what he tried to
do and what his accomplishments were. And what was interesting
was he spoke well of our founders. An example would
be when he had a bunch of people to the

(38:43):
White House who were Nobel Prize winners. He said to them,
never has there been such a collection of intelligence here
in the dining room of the White House, except for
when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
And I'm thinking to.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Myself, that's not something that Joe Biden would say today.
That's not something Barack Obama would say today, because they
hated these people and they wanted to So I want
to ask you kind of what happened. How did this
all transition? And for a lot of us as Americans,
we probably didn't notice it until maybe very recently, like
the last ten years, but I suspect this has been

(39:15):
going on longer than ten years, much longer.

Speaker 10 (39:17):
To help me figure that out, yeah, yeah, it's a
very interesting question. And I will say JFK was very
outspoken anti communists, but behind the scenes he might not
have been as anti communists as he claimed to be.
For example, during the Cuban missile crisis, our supposed compromise

(39:41):
but the Soviet Union was to get rid of obsolete
missiles in Turkey and allow them to continue their interactions
with Cuba as long as they didn't put missiles there.
What nobody tells anybody is that Robert Kennedy told the

(40:02):
Russian diplomat and I forget his name, famous guy, but
I just at the moment forgot his name, he said,
don't tell anybody what we agreed to, because it would
destroy us politically. What they agreed to was first of all,
that those Turkish missiles were not obsolete at all. They

(40:24):
were a very good defensive perimeter around the Soviet Union.
But the most egregious thing they did that virtually nobody knows,
is they made a pledge. They made an agreement with
Cuba that America would never invade Cuba again.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Never.

Speaker 10 (40:47):
Well, we didn't really do it. Cuban expats did it,
and we abandoned them in the field thanks to Kennedy's
last minute decision to deny air support, which may basically
made it a lost proposition. So that was one thing.
But the other thing that they did was they promised
that not only would they never invade Cuba, but they

(41:07):
would actually prevent other nations from trying to overthrow Cuba.
So essentially the Kennedy administration gave Cuba a free hand
in Central and South America, which has resulted in untold
civil wars, mass murder, and mayhem throughout the entire hemisphere.

(41:32):
So there's a little bit of context you have to
add when you talk about JFK being anti communists. The
same thing is true with Truman. Under Truman, there were
a lot of communist Soviet spies that were working in
the State Department, and this was under FDR. It started
under FDR, like for example, Alger Hisss and Harry Dexter White,

(41:53):
who most people haven't heard of, but he was one
of the most notorious Soviet agents. And it was his
letter that actually provoked Japan to attack Pearl Harbor because
they saw no other way out. And the reason he
did it was because the Soviets were facing a war
on two fronts from the west by the Germans and

(42:16):
from the east by the Japanese, and getting us involved
in the war with the Japanese would take pressure off
the Soviet Union. So he did that. And then he
also made sure that when Shanghai Checks a nationalist Chinese
were fighting the Communists, that they were denied the one

(42:38):
hundred billion dollars in aid that they were promised and
actually appropriated by Congress, and he held up the check
long enough so that they couldn't get the arms they
needed to defeat the Maoist communists and they had to
flee the island. So those are two things he did.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
And what.

Speaker 10 (43:01):
Harry Truman did. Instead of having arrested and tried for
treason and shot, he was sent off to be found
the World Bank, and then he was sent off to
Breton Woods to found the International Monetary Fund. So those
two organizations were founded by a Soviet agent. And also

(43:26):
so was the United Nations. The charter was written by
Alger Hisss. So you have to take all those things
sort of in context. But compared to today, yes, they
were very anti communists. But even in the fifties, you know,
they were savagely attacking Joseph McCarthy, even though he was
right on spot on the money. There was definitely massive

(43:48):
subversion or massive penetration of our government by the Soviet Union,
Soviet agents, and so you know, it goes back really
to some extent the Wilson administration, a big extent the
FDR administration, and then after Joe McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Got so.

Speaker 10 (44:10):
Seriously, you know, he was the first case of a
cancel cancel culture, if you will, and he intimidated that
his example intimidated people from actually talking about communists. And
of course the House on American Activities Committee was ended
shortly after that, well ended in the early seventies and so,

(44:33):
but also as our culture changed, as the sixties, revolutionaries
grew up and took positions in universities and in government,
all of those things began to gradually change. My own
personal opinion is that somewhere in the seventies or eighties,

(44:53):
the Democratic Party decided that they wanted to be on
the winning side, and even most concerned, it's thought in
the long run that the winning side was going to
be the communists, the Soviet communists, and so that's a
good they made the decision. And perhaps not all of them,
a lot of the Southern Democrats were very anti communists,

(45:14):
but ultimately that's what they decided. And then as more
and more of these kids grew up in the wolf
culture and all of the things that they were being
taught by left wing college professors, you know, it just
became part and parcel of who they are.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Well, that's a good place where it's take a quick break, folks.
Don't go away, because Jim simpsonly back. We've got more
to discuss, and I can promise you it'll definitely be
worth listening to.

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Speaker 2 (49:14):
Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
I'm glad you stuck around because we've been having a
great conversation with Jim Simpson.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
He is an.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Investigtive journalist, economist. He used to be a budget examiner
at the White House Office of Management Budget and he
has a very very good book that is definitely worth
reading and studying. And learning from entitled Manufactured Crisis the
War to End America, And as you might have guessed,
he's not for the war to end America, and that's

(49:42):
why he wrote about it to help us prevent that
from happening. And I appreciate the insights that he's brought.
An example would be I think in the book he
talks about the Cloward Peeven strategy, that of a manufactured crisis,
and how this was something that they formulated and talked
about doing. I think it was nineteen sixty six and
they were radical socialists professors at the Columbia University. So

(50:07):
give us an idea about what role they played in
this self destruction of America.

Speaker 10 (50:12):
Yeah, no, absolutely, they were pivotal in terms of creating
using the crisis strategy in numerous different spheres. You know,
in the first part of our segment, I quoted lenin saying,
create crisis and then exaggerate them or manufacture them, and
then prose solutions that give you more crises that deepen

(50:34):
the problems, and continue to do that over and over
and over again until this targeted society collapses and then
they can take over without firing a shot. And so
Cloward Piven didn't originate the idea of the manufactured crisis strategy,
but they definitely put skin on the bone, and they
started with the welfare system. Most people don't know Richard

(50:55):
Cloward was the inspiration for President Johnson's Great Society, and
that was a vast expansion of welfare now Johnson's And
it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
A great society that was building. And that's so it's
kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act. It wasn't about that,
or a credible care Act. It wasn't about that. It's
always the opposite. So it wasn't a great society. It
was the horrible, awful society.

Speaker 10 (51:19):
Yeah, No, it was slave society. It was creating a
welfare system that would addict large numbers of people to
government spending, and it would all be identified with the Democrats,
so they would benefit politically. But Cloward and Piven had
a different idea. Cloward said, welfare douses the fires of rebellion,

(51:40):
and they wanted rebellion. They wanted to use blacks and
other minorities, inner city poor blacks as the street army
for their coming revolution. And you can't do that if
people are happy and contented and they're prospering. And ironically,
before the Great Societ was enacted, blacks were actually doing

(52:04):
quite well.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
And now you're right about that.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I have a friend who wrote a book on that,
and they pointed out that, for example, an interesting statistic
the demographic in America, say in nineteen fifty, it was
most likely to live with his wife and children and
be employed, and so forth was guess what a black man.
And so that's interesting what's happened because of course, since
the Great Society is trashed that and that was done on.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Purpose, that was the whole purpose of it, the goal, yep,
it was.

Speaker 10 (52:31):
And also the unemployment rate among teens was lower among blacks,
and it was monk whites. So as Walter Williams, famous
black economists pointed out, great guy and metem once. But anyway, Yeah,
So the idea of the Clora given idea was to
use the poor as a battering ram against society. And

(52:53):
the way that they were going to do that first
was by packing the welfare roles with as many beneficiaries
as a possibly could, demanding every service. And they knew
that the government couldn't afford to do that, and so
if they were able to that would create a crisis
and collapse in the government, and those people who had

(53:15):
become used to getting welfare would now riot in the streets.
And then their solution to that, the solution to the
crisis that would create a bigger crisis, was a guaranteed
annual income, and the guaranteed annual income they proposed would
be in today's dollars, between forty to eighty thousand dollars
per family of four. Now, think about that. Does that
lower welfare spending? And do you think the other welfare

(53:38):
programs would have been abolished? Of course not, No government
program gets abolished. So it would just double the amount
of money, or even more than double the amount of
money that the government was forced to spend, moving the
proportion of government spending away from national defense, law enforcement,
things that the government was created to do, and move

(54:01):
it all towards welfare, to the point where today something
like eighty percent, well if you include social security, about
eighty percent of our government spending goes to welfare and
social security. And I think it's forty or fifty percent
of welfare alone. It's just it's nuts. And so, but
at that time, it was, it was tiny, It was

(54:22):
very little, but they packed the roles. And another thing
that I point out in my book, I have taught
a chapter in the book titled weaponizing the Poor of
the War against Black America, and the idea started in
the nineteen twenties. You know, the NAACP National Association for
the Advancement of Colored People was founded by white socialists

(54:45):
and the only black person on the staff was W. E. B.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Dubois and he.

Speaker 10 (54:49):
Was a Communist, and in fact, he was such an
outspoken Communist they had to throw him off the board
after a while because it was hurting their fundraising capabilities.
And later on he formally joined the Communist Party and
announced how much he loved the Soviet Union. But anyway,
they packed the welfare roles and it was responsible for
almost collapsing the government in New York in the nineteen seventies.

(55:13):
And Rudy Julianni named Cloward and Piven as the architects
the saboteurs of that situation. He named them personally as
the ones responsible and so it sort of worked, but
it was just a start. And Richard Cloward is one
of his understudies. With a guy named Wade Rafki, they
started ACORN the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now,

(55:37):
which became one of the largest community organisms as well
the largest community organization in the country, and they while
Cloward and Piven were studying the voting system, Acorn began
doing all kinds of activism, and then Cloyd and Piven
wrote the text for the motor voter law, the National
Voter Registration Act, which President Clinton signed into law in

(56:00):
nineteen ninety three. Acorn went to work using that to
register fraudulent hundreds of thousands of fraudulent registrations first to
the election before President Obama was elected, and it created
massive vote fraud. And that was really the goal in
the National Voter Registration Act. The goal was to enable

(56:21):
was to turn basically turn the federal and state government
into voter registration for low income people, which of course
would have benefited the Democrats much more. And at the
same time, it was so complicated that it confused rather
than helped. The situation made cleaning the roles very difficult,

(56:42):
and the Democrats under Obama didn't even bother. They said
they were going to focus on the section that talked
about registering voters, and this was just one step their
ultimate goal, again creating a crisis to create more crises,
was to advocate for all automatic voter registration, so that
everybody in the country would automatically be registered to vote.

(57:05):
And of course, because of the multi databases around the country,
you would have three or four, two or three people registered,
the same people registered two or three times be registered
in one place in another place, create even bigger chaos
in the voting system, which they would exploit, just as
Nancy Pelosi and company exploited COVID to introduce mass mail

(57:27):
in voting, which they had actually been advocating for about
ten years and which was one of the big ways
that they stole the twenty twenty election. And then Haycorn
advocated subprime mortgage, the subprime mortgage program, and the Clinton
administration was on board with that as well, and that

(57:48):
was another crisis strategy, and in that case they targeted
the entire financial system. That was the purpose of the
subprime mortgage agenda. And the Clinton administration Andrew Coombo was
the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development at the time,
and he said, yeah, we recognize there's a lot of risk,

(58:08):
but we think it's worth it. Well, we know what happened.
It caused the biggest recession since the Great Depression. And
that was a deliberate crisis strategy, not promoted by Richard
Cloward and Francis Fox Piven directly, but by their understudy
Wade Rafty of Acorn and other radical housing groups. So

(58:28):
that was the third one. And then when Obama came along,
they said, Hey, this is such a great idea, We're
just going to expand it to everything. And they had
already been long time working on expanding immigration to the
benefit of Democrats, to bring in more potential future Democrat voters.
But then they talking about open borders, and Obama actually

(58:51):
started that, and open borders has become the biggest crisis
strategy that they've come up with yet. But you can
also talk about the transpole, transgender issue, you can talk
about critical race theory, all of these other various agendas
whose purpose is to divide us, to confuse us, and
to make us ashamed of our own country so that

(59:12):
we are defenseless and actually may even welcome the intervention
by oh, for example, the communist Chinese.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, that's a very very good point. We're about out
of time.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
But I wanted to ask you with one last question,
just to briefly tell us how they can follow you
online and get your book.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Those kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I don't want them to stalk you, but you know,
I online be in a position to follow you and learn.

Speaker 10 (59:35):
Sure. I have an account on X James M. Simpson
at James M. Simpson. I have a Facebook page has
five thousand followers, so it's at the max. It's kind
of hard to friend me on Facebook, but you can
follow me there anyway. I post a lot of articles
that I think are important and I comment on them.
I just got started with Instagram, so I'm not really

(59:56):
very good at that. You know, I'm a latecomer and
all this social media stuff. But X is a good place.
My website is crisis now dot net Crisis now dot net,
and that's really just an archive of all my articles,
well not all of them, but a lot of them going
all the way back to two thousand and five. And
also provide direct links to Amazon where you can get

(01:00:20):
this book. You can also get it at eight Books
and other independent book distributors Books a Million. You can
even get it at Barnes and Noble Online. That's a
source for my writings.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
And my books.

Speaker 10 (01:00:33):
If you want to get a signed copy of my book,
you can email me at Simpson dot Truth at gmail
dot com. Simpson dot Truth at gmail dot com. I
used to have a blog site called Truth and Consequences,
so that's where that comes from. But if you email me,
we can figure out how you pay for it. I

(01:00:55):
need an extra five dollars to cover my cost of
shipping it, and it doesn't really cover all my costs,
but it's good enough anybody, so it would be twenty
five dollars to buy it from me. There you have
to pay twenty dollars at Amazon. But I can send
you a signed copy if that interests you at Simpson
Truth at gmail dot com. And I also always answer
queries from anybody who emails me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
That sounds very good, Thank you, Jim. And folks, if
you want to help protect your country, and there's if
you want to be eternally vigilant, I think manufactured crisis
the way the war to end America will help you
be more vigilant and help you defend America. But right
now we're up against the clock, so we've got to run.
But don't go away because the conservative commandos right after

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And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commanders Radio
Show with George Landruthin. You're e Streudly Rick Drader, coming
to you from the Mike Pilus studios of my Store
Studios of the au n TV network. Hey, George, our
next guest is with this It's been a while since
we've had them on the show. Great to have him back,
and George, please make that interduct.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Absolutely always a pleasure to introduce our guests because we
have the very best guests on TV and radio, and
we've got Wayne Produce here to prove it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Wayne is the Fred L.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Smith Fellow in Regulatory Studies at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
In his work, he explores the impact and the costs
of government regulation and also works, of course, to make
sure that we have free enterprise. He has been published
and cited in The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post,

(01:05:31):
The Chicago Tribune, Forbes, Communications Lawyer, The International Herald Tribune,
and many other publications. He has appeared on numerous TV
and radio programs. You see him sometimes on Fox News,
Fox Business, even CNN Believe It or Not, ABC, CNBC,
and PBS's News Hour. And before he was with CEI

(01:05:54):
the Competitive Enterprise Institute, he worked at the Cato Institute,
and also he was at the US Senate and the
Food and Drug Administration. So he has a lot of
experience and a lot of different angles to understand what's
going on. So Wayne, welcome back to the Conservative Commandos.
We're very glad to have you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
I'm very happy to be here. Thank you so much
for thinking of me. I appreciate the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I wanted to ask you because most of us are
very familiar with the phrase the ten Commandments, but you
all have a study called ten thousand Commandments, and it's basically,
I think, picking up or pointing out the idea. And
I forget exactly which philosopher it was that said this,
but he pointed out that when a government has too
many commandments or laws and regulations, that it basically starts

(01:06:39):
screwing everything up. And it's not that it has to
be only ten, but by tending to get to ten thousand,
you are way way, way overboard. So I wanted to
ask you to help us understand the study that you've done,
because when I've read it, I always think to myself, Wow,
this is very insightful, and they've really done a good
job of looking at this. So Wayne educate us here.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
I really appreciate that, George. The ten thousand Commandment's Report
is a compilation I started doing. You mentioned working in
the Senate. I did it back in those days. Look,
we know what, however much we may be frustrated by
federal spending. For example, we know this year the federal
government is going to spend seven trillion dollars and have
a two trillion dollar deficit, even not in wartime and

(01:07:24):
not in crisis time like we were in COVID. We
can be frustrated by federal spending and the debt, but George,
at least we can look that up. The same has
never been true for the vast sweep of the regulatory state.
And I'm talking about environmental regulations, health and safety regulations, labor, paperwork, energy,

(01:07:44):
all of the financial all of these vast interventions of
the federal government that are like a hidden tax. We
know the individual income tax, the corporate income tax, but
we don't see the hidden tax of regulation, which comes
in the form of lost productivity, lost jobs, compliance costs,
and so forth. At this point in doing the ten

(01:08:04):
thousand Commandments report, and there are a lot more than
ten thousand, by the way, but the federal agencies already
put out around three thousand rules and regulations every single year,
while Congress puts out this past year one hundred and
seventy five laws. I call that the unconstitutionality index. You've
got nineteen regulations from unelected bureaucrats for every one law

(01:08:26):
that comes out of Congress. So they're pumping out regulations
like chocolate bunnies and I'm trying to wrap my hands
around that. So three thousand rules a year. Last year,
Joe Biden, his final calendar year, had one hundred and
five thousand pages in the Federal Register. That is a
knockout record cosmic levels of regulations being published in the

(01:08:48):
Federal Register. Donald Trump in his first term had gotten
that count down to around sixty thousand. But we always
have these thousands of rules every year. I'm trying to
tabulate it with this report, kind of make it like
the historical tables of the US of the federal government.
You know, you can look up, you know, historical records
on the debt, the deficit, outlayser sipts and all of that.

(01:09:08):
Try to do a little bit like that for regulations.
And my placeholder for regulatory costs this year. Now, I'm
not a central planner. I don't think I know what
regulatory costs are because that's largely you know, experienced by
the one having to pay the compliance or by the
jobs lost to the productivity lost. We're not central planners.
We don't know exactly what those dollar values are. Nonetheless,

(01:09:30):
I use a placeholder of two point one five to
five trillion this year. Put that in perspective, I mentioned
that two trillion dollar debt deficit, regulations the same the
same magnitude. Individual income taxes last year approximately two trillion,
similar to the regulatory costs. Corporate pre tax profits three
point five trillion, So regulatory costs are sixty percent of that.

(01:09:54):
Corporate income taxes around five hundred billion, So regulatory costs
four times what corporations paying income taxes. So those are
just some of the ways I try to put a
face on it, if you will. I mean, you know,
with three thousand rules coming out every year, there, you know,
they're a lot more than ten thousand. And it's even
worse than that, because it's not just you know, the

(01:10:15):
few dozen laws from Congress and then the three thousand
rules and regulations from agencies, but especially in the environmental
realm and financial regulations, these agencies are putting out what
I've taken to calling regulatory dark matter. And Trump had
addressed some of this in his first turn, which is great,
and I hope he does it again. But these are
the guidance documents, the policy statements, the notices, the bulletins, memoranda, circulars,

(01:10:40):
administrative interpretations. You know, I put together a word cloud
on this stuff. There's just so much of it. And
so those are the things I'm trying to tabulate, you know,
with with Trump putting figures out or requiring agencies to
do portals on guidance documents was a big breakthrough. But
when Biden came in, he did what he called modernized

(01:11:00):
regulatory review, which meant getting rid of it altogether, and
he wiped out the entire Trump reform agenda. Now Trump
is back and he's ramping it back up again, and
maybe we can talk about that a little bit too,
but I'll pause right there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Well, no, that's very helpful.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
I think I saw that, you know, just to put
this in, if you will, tangible understanding. Because we talk
about trillions of dollars. Most people's eyes plays over because
they don't know what that means. But as I understand it,
that translates to about sixteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Per household over family.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
So yeah, and I'm thinking to myself, so let's say
you make seventy six thousand dollars a year. Of course
you pay taxes on that, you know, sales tax another thing.
They take maybe a quarter of what you made. But
off the very top. That means sixteen thousand. So you're
before they even have to pay all that taxes and
other things that get taken out of your paycheck, you're
gonna pay sixteen thousand dollars in terms of either lost

(01:11:51):
opportunity or higher cost for goods and services because of
all the regulations that exist. And I'm thinking to myself,
if Trump promises to get rid of some of those,
that's a way to help us. Have you know, it's
kind of like lowering your taxes that helps too. I've
always felt like the regulation was a way for the
for government government to tax us without being blamed for

(01:12:14):
taxing us, because when if they pass the tax bill,
then you pay it. You've got proof you paid it,
and you know how much it was. The problem with
regulatory costs are you don't know, Like you get your
electric bill and maybe your electric bills twice as high
as it used to be because of a bunch of
stupid electrical policies that they put in place in regulations.
But guess what the bill a mail you in the

(01:12:34):
mail does not say half your bill here is because
of regulations. You think it's maybe, oh, the electric company's
ripping me off.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Yeah, that's right. That's why it's very insidious, and that's
why you kind of call it a hidden tax, and
you really hit on that because it's buried in the
cost of things that we buy and the services that
we purchase, it that we purchase. You know, it's in
terms of higher prices do the lost jobs and do
to lower productivity. So it's very, very difficult to get at.

(01:13:01):
I think the problem is not you know, the question
ought not to be should we try to tabulate regulatory costs,
but whether you do it top down or bottom up?
And I think there's some advantages or disadvantages to doing both.
But we have to acknowledge stores that we really have
to have Congress be accountable for this stuff because you
said that you know, they can get by with doing

(01:13:22):
a regulation rather than attacks and this troop because the
two are substitutes for each other. And as it stands,
you know, the joke always goes. You know, you can
have a member of Congress, you know, stand up in
front of the Greenies, the Sierra Clubs, and the and
these other entities and say I voted for Clean Air
Act amendments and then walk across the street the Chamber
of Commerce and say the EPA and the Energy Department

(01:13:45):
are out of control with these new regulations, and so
it lets them play both sides. One of the solutions
to it, since we know we're never going to perfectly
solve the problem of tabulating regulatory costs, but we still
need to try. I favor regulatory budgeting, sunset and all
these sorts of things, but we have to have Congress
approve the major rules that really wants to see and

(01:14:08):
act it. In other words, right now, if Congress wants
to disapprove a regulation from an agency, given the Congressional
Review Act, they can do that, but Congress has to
get up on the time legs and stop the rule
that's coming through. The proper way to do it is
and it restores accountability to Congress, and the Article one
restoration of power to Congress and the authority to Congress

(01:14:30):
is to have Congress approve regulations to affirm the costly
or expensive ones. So that way, even if we don't
you know, if that cost of regulation is bigger than
everything in the family budget except for housing, but if
we don't know exactly what it is, at least we
need to make Congress accountable for it because they're the
ones who we vote for. We don't get to vote

(01:14:50):
for the bureaucrats. They make a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I find it kind of fine.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
A list of people get upset about Elon Musk because
he's unelected, but they don't send the mind the other
ten thousand and federal employees that aren't saving you money
but are spending your money, and they're unlifted too, and
they're regulating your life and so forth. So it's kind
of an interesting, well hypocrisy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
As it were, sure we could tell, at least in
the case of Mosk, we know who he is in
the administration, nobody seems to know who's running things.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
That's a good point. That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
As America was growing and becoming a very economic superpower,
we had smaller government, and so basically the market and
innovation and competition helped push us from a phase when
we were just thirteen insignificant colonies that did not have
you know, much money or much power to the world's

(01:15:47):
economic superpower. So I wanted to ask you, is this
part of the reason why maybe we've seen the economy
slow down and why we see ourselves kind of in
a situation where sure we still have a big economy
and we're still an important part of the world economy,
but we're no longer you know, like the American dreams
seems to be dying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
And yeah, I want to ask you, is this part
of the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Yeah, the you know, the early America was very less
a fair you might say. I mean you obviously from
the very beginning you had those like Alexander Hamilton who
wanted an American plan with tariffs protective tariffs and income
taxes and subsidies and all those sorts of things. But
now the federal government is very, very highly interventionist. I
mean at this point, well, look what happened during COVID.

(01:16:30):
You had the Cares Act was enacted. That was trillions
of dollars. I remember Trump sitting there getting ready to
sign the Cares Act and he looks up at Mitch
McConnell and says, Mitch, this has got a tea on it.
I've never signed anything this big. It gets it's too
late to turn back now, and everybody nervously laughs in
the room in the Oval office as he signs it.
But after that, we've had this huge fusion of spending

(01:16:52):
and regulation that I think gets what you're talking about
and slows things down because you had the After the
Cares Act, then you had the American Rescue Plan, you
had the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, you had the Bipartisan Chips
and Science Act, and you had the Inflation Law. And
these sorts of things are huge, huge spending bills that

(01:17:14):
are already regulatory and interventionists even before the administrators and
regulators later pick up their pens. So even though I've
spent my whole career fighting over delegation, the last few
years especially, and it's always been true though we've had
this administrative state for one hundred years, but the last
few years have really brought it into sharp reliefs that

(01:17:35):
the federal government, that Congress itself, it's not just that
Congress over delegates, but it totally disregards its own enumerated powers.
And now everything from local tap water in Flint, Michigan,
to potential asteroid mining and commercial spaceflight is a government
business project rather than free enterprise capitalism like we had

(01:17:56):
back in the nineteenth century, as you're talking about. So,
I think you know, the government is not a wealth
creating entity. It's a force wielding entity. And it makes things.
It slows down productivity, and it undermines the emergence of
the things we need, like property rights evolution, and airsheds
and watersheds and low Earth orbit and how we allocate

(01:18:19):
drone airspace. We ought to just dump it into eighty
year old FAA air space, but we ought to develop
new kinds of property rights. And you know from your
work that matters a lot in terms of land use
and resource allocation and things like that. The more the
federal government is involved like it is, the worse it
makes it for free enterprise capitalism to be able to
gain a foothold but also to create the wealth that

(01:18:40):
it's famous for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Yeah, that's a very very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
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That's Wayne Cruz is the Fred L. Smith Fellow in

(01:22:44):
Regulatory Studies at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Hey, Wayne, thank
you for holding through that break. We really do appreciate
your time in Before we get talking about government regulations
or maybe we can talk about how to get rid
of them, tell us a little bit about CEI, the
Competitive Enterprise Institute.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
What you all do. Yeah. CEI was founded in George
Orwell's year nineteen eighty four. Our founder is Fred L. Smith,
and I bear the title of the Fellowship in his name.
CEI was started because Fred recognized the need for the
importance of free enterprise, the need for business to support
free enterprise as such. And at that time there were

(01:23:28):
a lot of groups working on tax and budget issues,
or welfare reform, or international policy, foreign policy, not so
much devoted exclusively to regulation, and so Fred started CEI
working on environmental policy. Anti trust issues were a big, early,
big early issue for CEI, and now financial policy and

(01:23:49):
the work I do anti trust issues are still really important.
A whole slate of work that we do on environmental
policy and energy policy. And my interest has always been
and still is, the the general scope of regulation, how
regulation overall, across all the sectors affects the economy and
affects the public, and how we might roll it back.
So that's what we're doing. You can find CEI's work

(01:24:11):
just very easy CEI dot org. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Hey, wait, these regulations, there have got to be some
of them that are useful.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
MH.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Is this correct?

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
Oh yeah, I would put it this. I put it
this way. Rick. It's not that we never have the
choice of not being regulated. The question is whether whether free,
whether competitive discipline is what makes more sense, or whether
political discipline is what makes sense. I joke. Sometimes you
know that all tainted meat was approved by the USDA

(01:24:46):
just just because you think of a value. And the
left loves to do this. They'll they love to think
up a value and then name a government agency about
it and then think they're the caretakers of that value.
In free enterprise, it doesn't mean you just get to
run around. I'm talking about rule of law. Doesn't mean
you just get to run around poisoning baby food bottles
or doing whatever you want to do, running roughshot. In

(01:25:08):
free enterprise, you've got a lot of discipline that goes
away under regulation. Under free enterprise, you have upstream business suppliers,
downstream business customers, consumers, Wall Street advertisers, the media. All
sorts of forces are arrayed against companies that misbehave, and
often what regulations do is wipe that out and replace

(01:25:31):
it with government standards that remove from the competitive marketplaces. Remember,
free enterprise isn't just making the product or service and
creating wealth there, but it's also creating wealth in the
form of the risk management devices and innovations that emerge
alongside the innovation. So we need that in areas like
AI and robotics and new forms of energy and things

(01:25:53):
like that, and regulation can hurt that. And just a
quick example of a horrible outcome. If you've got to
gas can lately, if you went the Walbarter home depot
and bought a gas can, you got to have three
hands to operate these things. It's ridiculous, and you still
gas everywhere. Imagine if you know, just something as simple
as that is screwed up by government agency, what they

(01:26:15):
can do to the big things.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Well, but then you wouldn't have all those YouTube videos
how to work around those gas casts. Hey Waite, this
is incredible. Two trillion dollars costs of over two trillion
dollars the average cost of sixteen thousand p us house Alwayne,
that's more than I get each year on Social Security.
Can you give us I'm serious about that, I am

(01:26:39):
serious about that. Could you give us an idea of
specific ideas of regulations and what they what specifically they
would cost an individual or an individual household like the
Trader Lodge residents.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Yeah, some of the worst. You know, we talked earlier
about the indirect effects of regulation, and I think all
that matters a lot. But look at what just for example,
corporate average fuel economy standards potentially adding thousands of dollars
to the price of a car, or those goofy you know,
it's not just something like those goofy gas cans that
cost you more and they don't work. You'd be better

(01:27:18):
off with the milk jug. But the Department of Energy
has been aggressive with its forcing you to buy dishwashers
that don't clean. You have to hand wash the dishes
before you put them in washing machines vertical that don't
work very well and they get mildewed inside. And any
of those kinds of interventions can end up costing the public.

(01:27:38):
You end up paying more for the appliances and so forth,
and then not get just not getting a value. But
the government is very very reluctant to roll things back.
So those are you know, those are just some good
some examples. And you know, interventions in say antitrust can
can sidestep or create distortions and inefficiencies. In efficiencies in

(01:28:00):
the economy, regulation in the financial sector can make access
to credit more difficult, things like that. But all of
those costs, you know, there's it's hard to put key
dollar amounts on them, but it's but you know they're there.
And that's that's one of the things and why it's
so important for Congress to approve this stuff and not
just let agencies run around and do it willy nilly.

(01:28:21):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Wait, in this report, you are quoted as saying, the
Trump administration and Congress can together can lift regulatory burdens
and achieve ambitious reforms. Talk with this about what the
president can do, what can Congress do?

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
What can reforms?

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Do you recommend?

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
Well, some quick ones. The last time we had reforms, gentlemen,
was a generation ago. It was Bill Clinton was president,
and we had New Gingrich in the House, and we
had all of the nation's governors and state and local.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Wait, Wayne, didn't we have some reforms And Trump's first
administration didn't he say we're going to go now? He says,
right for everybody?

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
What happened to those? Yeah, there you go. I'm talking
about in legislative reforms that stick, and so we had
back then, we had the Congressional Review Act, small Business
Reform Act, Unfunded Mandates Reform Act. Those were legislative reforms
that stuck. When Trump did his first term, he did
one D two out, and guess what. As soon as

(01:29:28):
Biden came in, he issued a series of orders under
the rubric of modernizing regulatory review, which meant getting rid
of regulatory review, and so he wiped out Yeah, that's right,
and so he wiped out Trump's one end two out.
Now Trump is doing one in, ten out, and a
few and several, just a slate of other reforms. Some

(01:29:50):
of them involved DOE to the Department of Government efficiency,
but others don't because remember dog goes away in a year.
So there's got to be things that cement this beyond.
But working with con is important. There's legislation to implement
a permanent form of DOGE that would do kind of
what you might regard as regulatory reduction commissions. There's legislation
to force Congress to vote to approve major rules. There's

(01:30:13):
legislation to sunset rules and regulation so to go away
unless agencies actively approve them and put them back out.
For public comment and the things I'd mentioned to you
about regulatory dark matter. There's legislation proposed to address some
of that. In this environment, very difficult for that kind
of bipartisan legislation to get through, but we you know,
potentially we could get lucky because when there's economic downturns,

(01:30:36):
you know, that makes business come to Washington and demand reforms,
no matter who they're elected official in their particular district
or state is Wright.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
We really do appreciate you joining us here in the
Conservative command as you know, thank God for groups like
CEI to to highlight these things to the public, CAUs
I don't think the public totally understands all the regulations
that they're governed. And thank god there are people like
you and the other good people at CEI that are
keeping track of this for us, and we've been we've

(01:31:07):
been discussing this. This report ten thousand Commandments, the Report
on Federal Regulatory Burdens identifies problems or reforms. Wayne Where
can our listeners and viewers see the entire report?

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Very simple, just go to CEI dot org and you
could you can search ten thousand Commandments there as well
as fine to all of my other colleagues. Great work,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Wayne Cruiz CI Competitive Enterprise Institute. Wayne, we want to
greatly thank you for being with us today. And it
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Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
And welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Command as
with George Landreth and Imric Trader coming to you from
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n TV network. Well, George, we're just getting past election
election Day twenty twenty five. Next year's the midterms, and
just two short years after that, that's what it all

(01:36:11):
starts again, another presidential elections cycle, actually the next you
know that she usually runs two years. But James Carvel
made some interesting comments George, and it should be a
reason that people never vote for a Democrat ever.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Again, you're exactly right, because he predicted in a podcast
that he does that the Democrats will win the twenty
twenty eight presidential election, and that if they do, they
should move to expand the Supreme Court from nine seats
to thirteen so they can basically put four more people

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on the court that are left wing cooks.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Kind of so we need we need four more cooks
that don't know what a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Is exactly, and they'll know what the Constitution is. But anyhow,
it's just interesting. One. I think this demonstrates that maybe
James Carville is suffering from dementia, because the idea that
the Democrats are likely to win in twenty twenty eight
doesn't strike me as that reasonable. I'm not saying they
couldn't win in twenty twenty eight. I'm just saying, look

(01:37:18):
at who their options are right now. Their big options
are people like Gavin Newsom AOC. It's like, really, you
think they're going to do really well in a president's election.
They're so extreme and so nutty.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Well, George, who would have thought ma'am dandy would win?
Ma'm dandy who thought that he would win? Or that governor,
that new governor elect you have down in Virginia, Or
the cheaters, the liar, the cruk of the person who
used her position to make stock investments like the woman

(01:37:52):
who was elected in New Jersey. And by the way,
New Jersey, if you're going to elect a woman governor
next time, maker look like a Christy Knowle, all right,
that would that would be a real treat. Love to
see a governor look like a governor of New Jersey,
look like Christy numb. But well, George. The other thing
that has to be very concerned about the Democrats taking

(01:38:15):
over the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives
is another promise they've been threatening is to make Puerto
Rico in Washington d C.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
States.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
That would give them four more senators, an eight or
ten more congressmen. Now what I think Donald Trump needs
to do right here, right now, First of all, give
Puerto Rico it's independence. Make Washington d C. A part
of the state of Merlin. Therefore, you're taking these issues

(01:38:49):
off the table forever forever again give make give Puerto
Rico it's independence. Let them become their own little just
like the Dominican Republican Haiti and all those other Caribbean countries.
And make a Washington D C. Part of this state

(01:39:11):
of Maryland. You know, Merlin's already a blue state, all right.
I think it's got one Republican remember the House of Representatives.
But this where you're taking for once and for all, George,
you're taking these off the table. What do you think
of that idea?

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Well, that's an interesting point because it would I think
it's interesting because in the past when we've admitted states,
they were done for non political reasons. An example would
be the last two. The idea was one was likely
a Republican state, and it was for a while, it's
not now, that's why. And one was a democratic state,
and one was and not now, but that was Alaska.

(01:39:53):
But the point was it was not an attempt to
shift party power, and I think that's got to be
the key. So an example would be if they're able
to come up with some other place besides a place
that is likely going to go Democrat, then it might
be something you could support because having a larger Senate

(01:40:14):
isn't this saly a bad idea, But the idea of
just enlarging the Senate for purposes of grabbing political power
strikes me as something that I leftist would do.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
And of course guess what the leftists want to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
And the Supreme Court charge what could be done to
ensure that this Supreme Court is set at nine the
way it is now, and not allow the Democrats to
pack the court, or should Republicans say, you know what,
and the next time we get controlled, we're going to
make it a hundred. We'll pack the court too, We'll

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have a hundred justices.

Speaker 11 (01:40:52):
How do you stop this?

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
How do you stop these shenanigans with the Supreme Court?

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
Well, I think we have to make it a case
to the average American. Some people, and obviously the extreme
leftists in the country would definitely want to have a
Supreme Court that was politically motivated, but lots of Americans
would just like to have it be a rule of
law organization. And so I think that both conservatives feel

(01:41:18):
that way, and I suspect most independents do as well.
So it's probably a pretty sizable majority of Americans who
would like to see the Supreme Court not become a
political game.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
We left don't care, George. Look at all the eighty
twenty issues where they support the twenty percent side. They
don't care. Now, they really don't care what the American
people think or want. It's what they want, and what
they want is power. Yeah, eternal power. George. It's all

(01:41:50):
they care about. And of course, if you're like Mikey
Sheerl's making a lot of money while you're in the
House of Representative, she was off for that and she
did pretty well. But they want powered George. They went
power now and forever.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Well, that's true, and so it could be that. I mean, historically,
the Constitution has not limited the Court to its size.
It's it's varied slightly, but it basically slowly grew because
at one point it was smaller and then it grew
to nine. But it was largely because the United States
grew and members of the Court have responsibilities for various

(01:42:31):
federal jurisdictions in the courts, and so they didn't want
to have you know, every judge have to basically, you know,
give up weekends and being able to sleep at night
to do those jobs. So they increased the court to nine.
And I think that's fine because I don't think it
was an attempt to stack the court.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
But just just what you're saying, wanted to Just what
you're saying, they don't want to overburden the courts, all right.
State Democrats get control at the House, the Senate, the
White House, well they make Puerto Rico state, they make Washington,
d c. Estate. You know what the next argument for
expanding the Supreme Court is, we don't want to overburden

(01:43:14):
the justices, so we have to add members.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
Of course, they would already be they're already part of
a circuit court right now, so it wouldn't change the
circuit court procedures. But you're right, they may try that.
I wouldn't put it past them, but yeah, but I
think that the average American we have to make sure
that we when we run for election, that we make

(01:43:40):
it clear to them how important the Constitution is and
how important it is that we have strong leadership and
that we don't have courts that are political gamesmanship types.
And that's what the left wants, because that's why you
pack a court so that it increases your power. That's
why I know FDR was a piece of human refuse,

(01:44:01):
because he wanted to pack the court too. That's very interesting,
and it proves that he was not a good man,
not a good leader, and so nobody should be listing
him as one of our ten best presidents. He's one
of our ten worst presidents because he had totalitarian instincts
and he wanted to make the Supreme Court a political organization.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Would just say the same thing if Donald Trump, to
mark him out, said he wanted it add members to
the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Pardon me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Would you say the same thing about Donald Trump if
he came out tomorrow and said he wanted yad members
to the Supreme.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Court, Well, I would argue this, and that is that
we ought not be adding to the Supreme Court unless
there's a vacancy. And I like many of his appointments
to the Supreme Court, so I hope he has opportunities
to make more appointments because he's done a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
But but.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
I don't want to legitimize the idea of packing the court,
because once we've legitimized that idea, then basically after every election,
we'll be adding to the Supreme Court to make it
a political arm of the party that just won the election.
And I'd like to have the Supreme Court focused on
the Constitution and the rule of law.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Well, George, I wonder if if deep down the side,
he would like to have that Amy Coney Barrett nomination back. Hey, George,
tell us about your book.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Oh sure, well, this is my book let Freedom Ring Again,
and it talks about, you know, can self event truths
save America from further decline? And the answer is self
event truths are important because they're contained in our Declaration
of Independence and in our Constitution. And so it's a
book that I wrote hoping to help Americans understand our

(01:46:00):
our country's legacy, our constitution, our history, and the ideas
that matter, and how to debate with people these important
points so that we are not just kind of uneducated people.
Because it used to be our school systems made sure
that you understood the Constitution. I can remember when I

(01:46:21):
was in high school, I had a really good Civics
teacher and we went through the Constitution line by line,
and well, he did a very good job of helping
us understand what it was about and what it meant.
And that's not happening today. People don't even know anything
about the Constitution. You can listen to members of Congress.
They don't know anything of the Constitution. It's amazing to me,

(01:46:44):
it's stunning, and it's dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
Surely aoc doesn't, she said. The three branches of the
government was the House, the Senate, and the White House.
Thank you, aoc Hey. George, I want to thank you.
I want to thank you for sitting in today as
my cost. But for right now, we are out of time.
That means we got to run and we gotta go

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