Compilation of Strange | Episode 104

Here we go, Compilation of Strange Vol.5, and wow do we got an episode for you dear Listener. From the real-life dream demons that inspired the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise, to hidden underground worlds discarded by mainstream historical narratives. We explore a possible Information Hazard that only can cause you harm if you know about it in the dangerous thought experiment called "Roko's Basilisk." Then we end it with the legend of the notorious Bye Bye Man, who is a supernatural serial killer who stalks people who think about him or say his name. Buckle up because it's time to get weird. SOURCES: -The President's Vampire (they changed the name of the book) - https://www.amazon.com/Bye-Man-Other-Strange-but-True-Tales/dp/0143129724 -Roko's Basilisk - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk -Urban Legend - https://mysticinvestigations.com/paranormal/freddy-krueger/ -Live Science Nightmare Death Syndrome - https://www.livescience.com/8215-dienightmares.html -Invader Moon - https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/invader-moon-rob-shelsky/1122404192 -The Adam and Eve Story - https://archive.org/details/the-adam-and-eve-story

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Welcome to Crypto Chronicles, a show all about everything weird, mysterious,
and unexplained in the world today. On the show, we
have a compilation of strange tales from the dream demons
that inspired the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise, to info
hazards like Rocco's Basilisk, a future super artificial intelligence that

(00:51):
will go back in time to make a copy of
you and put you into a simulation of eternal torment
if you don't help create it, to lost you, and
history of an underground world dating back far beyond the
accepted historical narrative. The supernatural serial killer that will stop
you if you simply say his name or think about him.

(01:14):
I'm your host, Tim Hacker, and you're listening to Cryptic Chronicles.
This is this is the way, This is the.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Way, these these entities they would conquer world. Nightmare death Syndrome,

(02:20):
exploring the enigmatic phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Nightmares are unsettling experiences that can leave us feeling scared, anxious,
and relieved once we wake up. For most people, nightmares
are temporary and pose no lasting harm. However, there is
a rare and mysterious phenomenon known as nightmare death syndrome,

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which has been associated with unexpected fatalities during sleep. So
let's delve into the perplexing world of nightmare death syndrome
examine its characteristics, potential causes, and scientific understanding, because it's
this haunting, genuine affliction that the Nightmare on Elm Street
movies were based on. Nightmare death syndrome, also referred to

(03:15):
as sudden Unexpected nocturnal death syndrome SUNS or ben gungot,
is a puzzling condition that has primarily been reported in
certain Southeast Asian countries. It is characterized by sudden and
unexplained deaths occurring during sleep, usually among young and seemingly
healthy individuals. The term ben gungot originates from the Philippines

(03:42):
and translates to quote to rise and moan during sleep.
SUNS has been reported sporadically among specific populations in the Philippines, Thailand, Laos,
and other Southeast Asian countries. Interestingly, many cultural beliefs in
local folklore often associate these deaths with supernatural entities or

(04:06):
spiritual disturbances. While these beliefs do not provide scientific explanations,
they highlight the cultural context within which the phenomenon is
perceived and understood. In fact, Wes Craven has said in
many interviews that the inspiration for Freddy Krueger and the
dream Demons from the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise was

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inspired by news articles he read and his own nightmares.
In the seventies and eighties, many refugees who survived the
killing fields of Cambodia came to America. LA Times articles
covered bizarre circumstances surrounding these refugees. Nightmares plugged them, and

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many did their best not to fall asleep lest the
dream entities kill them. Healthy young men were dying for
seemingly no apparent reason in their own beds, and the
death toll had reached around one hundred before a Nightmare
on Elm Street was even released. The LA Times called
the deaths the phenomenon. Upon further investigation, the idea of

(05:13):
sleep demons in South Asian mythology was blamed for these
communities' deaths. The story of One White in particular attracted
Wes Craven's attention, which he said in an interview quote,
he told his parents he was afraid that if he slept,
the thing chasing him would get him, so he tried

(05:33):
to stay awake for days at a time. When he
finally fell asleep, his parents thought this crisis was over.
Then they heard screams in the middle of the night.
By the time they got to him, he was dead.
He died in the middle of a nightmare. Here was
a youngster having a vision of a horror that everyone
older was denying. That became the central line of nightmare

(05:57):
on Elm Street.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
To juristic experient symptoms.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Nightmare death syndrome typically affects individuals who are in their
late teens to early thirties, with the higher prevalence among males,
and the individuals are often found to dead without any
apparent sign of struggle or external causes. Most incidents happen
in the early hours of the morning during rapid eye
movement rim sleep, which is the stage associated with vivid dreaming.

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Victims complain that someone is chasing them in their dreams
and if it catches them, it will lead to their demise.
This paranoia grows to become crippling. Sufferers often try to
stay awake by abusing unhealthy levels of stimulants, which in
and of itself can lead to heart stress that may
trigger prugata syndrome. However, despite all the knowledge that has

(06:56):
been acquired over the years, this horrific phenomenon remains mysterious.
The exact cause of nightmare death syndrome is unclear, and
several theories have been proposed to explain the phenomenon. One
hypothesis suggests the link between suns and cardiac arrhythmius, where
the intense emotional experiences during nightmares or sleep paralysis episodes

(07:21):
trigger abnormal heart rhythms that can lead to fatal outcomes.
Other theories proposed in association with underlying health conditions, hormonal
imbalances or disturbances in the automatic nervous system.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Exploring cultural factors.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Cultural factors and lifestyle practices prevalent in the affected regions
have also been considered as potential contributors to nightmare death syndrome.
Dietary habits, stress levels, mental factors, and genetic predisposition have
all been explored to understand the condition better. However, more

(08:07):
research is needed to determine the precise interplay between cultural
and genetic factors and their impact on the occurrence of suns.
To quote theweek dot Com. Fascinatingly, the condition known as
sleep paralysis is known worldwide and throughout history and all
cultures by different names. It is basically always associated with

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supernatural nocturnal evil. In Indonesia it's called the yuntan or
pressed on. In China it's beguaya, held by a ghost.
The Hungarians know it as bazokani nmas, which is pressure.

(08:52):
In Newfoundland, the spirit that comes is called the old Hag,
and the experience of sleep paralysis agrog or hag ridden.
The Dutch name comes closest to what English speakers know.
They call the presence nay the night mirror. The mahr

(09:15):
in question comes from the German Mahr or Olden Norse mara,
the generally female supernatural being who, in Elder's words, lay
on people's chests, suffocating them. Often the way one suffers
from hallucinations during sleep paralysis varies based on one's culture.

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The subconscious plays the largest role in dreams, and it's
this underlying belief system indoctrinated into us from birth, that
these dream demons may wear as a mask. The sheer
level of lethality associated with Southeastern Asian sleep demons may
have played a role in how deadly sleep paralysis is
in their cultures, nightmare deaths seem less substantial for the

(10:04):
rest of the world, suggesting that something legitimately paranormal is
happening behind the scenes in Southeast Asia. Could sleep prowsist
hallucinations get so bad it actually kills people.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Soog Swam, also known as dab Swam or Dabzog, the
Laos dream demon said to have killed so many young
Mung refugees, is a dream demon that takes the form
of a jealous woman. This type of demon attacks those
who do not honor their ancestors, ancient guardian spirits, or
those who perform rituals poorly. Since the Hmong refugees were

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cut off from their ancestral land and culture, it makes
sense that their belief system would make this dream demon
a real threat to their lives.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Urban mergend.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Then there is the fascinating idea that a creature analogous
to Freddy Krueger is an actual thing. The Serban legend
comes from the website Mysticinvestigations dot com. Link will be
in the details of this episode if you want to
check it out for yourself, and it's pretty fascinating because
it states that the dream demon Freddy Krueger is a

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real life entity. This legend says that the man was
once known as Sylvester Hawthorne. The man's childhood was traumatic
beyond comprehension, and he was regularly humiliated, as well as
abused by his parents and bullied by his peers at school.
This horror night mirror that was his reality caused Sylvester

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to become more and more introverted and look inside himself
instead of outside, which allowed him to immerse himself in
his own fantasy worlds. This introversion eventually helped Sylvester to
become extremely potent at lucid dreaming. The boy looked forward
to sleeping more than being awake, as an escape from

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his horrific waking reality, and allowed him to have control
and exist in a way that was not constantly caustic
towards him. As he got older, this mastery of lucid
dreaming led to him perfecting the esoteric art of out
of body experiences. Sylvester eventually killed his own mother and

(12:33):
father in a fit of rage after a beating from
his dad. He covered his tracks by burning his childhood
home and then skipping town, never to be seen there again,
Everyone just thought he burned in the fire as well.
He set up shop in his new town where he'd
commit his first murder, and the young man turned this

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into a hobby and relished the physical torment that he'd
inflict on his victims before killing them. It was almost
destiny that Sylvester would eventually end up becoming a serial killer.
Over the years, though since the very beginning, demons had
always been watching him on his astral journeys, and when

(13:16):
Sylvester turned twenty and they would visit him. The serial
killer had become a professional criminal and knee deep in
a plethora of despicable acts that he'd commit consistently. But
his evil had caught up with him. One night, a
swat team raided his home, and instead of accepting his capture,

(13:40):
he set the place on fire as an act of defiance,
reminiscent of how he killed his family. It was at
this moment that the demons approached Sylvester. During his fiery demise,
the dream demons offered Sylvester a deal, to which she
readily agreed. The serial killer would invade the dreams of
others and killed them in their sleep to reap their

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souls and thus the legitimate real life nightmare creator analogous
to Freddy Krueger, was born. Many are naturally immune to
the dream demon, but it still leaves millions open to
murdering nightmares. For Sylvester, his emo is basically what you

(14:22):
see in the nightmare in elm Street movies, creating nightmares
out of his victim's greatest fears to be used against them.
But unlike these movies, many ways actually worked to defend against,
and even combat this dream demon. However, there is no
real evidence I could find to support the legitimacy of

(14:44):
this urban legend, but I find it far too fascinating
to leave out. Make sure to go read the whole thing.
Like I said, the link will be in the details
of this episode.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Scientific understanding research.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Despite the significant impact of nightmare death syndrome on affected communities,
comprehensive scientific studies and research remain limited. The rarity of
SUNS cases, challenges in accurate reporting and variations, and cultural
interpretations make it difficult to conduct large scale studies. Efforts
are ongoing to investigate the underlying mechanisms, potential risk factors,

(15:30):
and preventative measures associated with SUNS. Nightmare death syndrome is
a perplexing and rare phenomenon characterized by unexpected deaths during sleep,
primarily reported in specific Southeast Asian populations, but also found
throughout the world and smaller statistics, and is always associated

(15:50):
with sleep paralysis. While cultural beliefs in local folklore have
provided insights into the perception of these incidents, scientific understanding
of the causes and mechanisms behind nightmare death syndrome remains incomplete.
Continued research, interdisciplinary collaboration, and increased awareness are essential in

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unraveling the mysteries surrounding this enigmatic phenomenon. By deepening our
understanding of nightmare death syndrome, we may one day shed
light on its true nature and potentially develop measures to
prevent its devastating consequences. Don't worry too much, though, if
you find this all frightening. Only about eight percent of

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the general population experiencedly paralysis. The odds are in your
favor that you will never be visited by a deadly
dream demon that will murder you as you sleep in
nightmares of your greatest fears.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
And underground war roles.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
According to Rob Shelsky in his book Invader Moon, there's
a lot of evidence for long lost advanced human civilization
lost to history. Well, not only Schlsky thinks this, many
researchers have come to the same conclusion, including renowned scientists
like chan Thomas and his famous The Adam and Eve story.

(17:30):
Where Rob Schlsky differs from chan Thomas. This is assented
to the fantastic, but are his ideas really that far off?
According to Schlsky, modern civilization started much farther back in
time than thirty five thousand BC and takes us on
a journey into unimaginable mysteries surrounding the human race. Not

(17:52):
only that, but Schelsky also considers this lost civilization to
be global, which should not have been possible in ancient times.
According to stone monuments found around the world, he estimates
this civilization to have been at its peak around twelve
thousand years ago. Monolithic sites like Quebec, Letepe, and Karnak

(18:13):
are a few examples of abstract monuments about ten thousand
years old or more. Still, many more structures don't quite
fit the timeline. It's also bizarre advanced monuments are found
across the globe by isolated communities, so they were not
teaching each other how to build complex monoliths. Schelsky says

(18:34):
there had to have been a global civilization that these
people were attached to at some point by their ancestors,
to which their craftsmanship originated. In twenty fourteen, a massive
underground tunnel was discovered in Sicily and Calabria. The official
story is that the tunnel was built by the Romans,
but this hypothesis is problematic for more than one reason. First,

(18:58):
there are no records of such a massive project being conducted,
and the Romans loved their records. More issues are geological
in nature that don't sync up with the timeline. Extensive
tunnels have been discovered in Europe going back twelve thousand
years ago or more and go directly beneath the plethora
of Neolithic sites. How could Stone Age people create such

(19:21):
massive tunnel networks that did not collapse over the millennia.
The Longu Caves in China within the Zeijiang Province are
also a series of cave networks discovered back in nineteen
ninety two. Twenty four have been discovered so far, but
many more are thought to exist yet to be discovered.

(19:42):
These caves are artificial, like the other cave systems I've
already mentioned, and the caves were fascinatingly built to mimic
the Orion constellation of all things. No Chinese records recorded
the existence or creation of these caves, and like the Roman,
the Chinese were really into their record keeping, so it

(20:03):
doesn't make sense. The caves are clean and show no
signs of what they were used for back in ancient times,
and they are huge. We're talking one thousand square meters
in size and a height of more than thirty thousand
meters in some cases. Next is the underground City in Turkey,

(20:23):
which was recently discovered when excavated archaeologists were blown away
by the complex tunnels, rooms, and vast open spaces. Whoever
built this underground city and tunnels had an insane level
of resources, manpower, and technology, and at the very least,
the site dates back five thousand years, an era when

(20:46):
the technology to build such an underground city did not exist.
Then there are the Grand Canyon Mysteries in the US,
which actually has a whole bunch of different conspiracies surrounding
the canyon. And I didn't know about these. I just
learned about them. I should probably do an episode on it,
but One of these tales surrounds a man named ge Kincaid,

(21:09):
who allegedly was funded by at the Smithsonian Institute to
explore tunnels that were discovered in the Grand Canyon. The
tunnels were all attached to the central chamber like the
spokes of a wheel. According to the legend, there were
hundreds and hundreds of smaller chambers within these tunnels. In
some chambers g. E. Kin Kaid discovered mummies and hieroglyphs.

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He also said he found a shrine analogous to a
Buddhist statue. But there were many more repositories of artifacts
in the cave system, even containing artifacts of Native Americans.
The hoping Native Americans have legends that the ant people
inhabited this cave system. All fascinating stuff, right. Many of

(21:55):
the stories associated with these underground worlds are about people
going to quote unquote a safe refuge or the caves
seemed to be repositories of knowledge in some cases, such
as the Grand Canyon legend, and legends of such underground
cities and tunnels in India, Africa, South America, and pretty
much all around the world exist in abundance, Yet there's

(22:20):
no legitimate historical records of these tunnel systems and underground
worlds basically in any of these civilizations that these tunnel
systems come from, Selsky says, this underground world could have
been built by this old global civilization before the Younger
Driest event, which occurred around twelve thousand to fourteen thousand

(22:40):
years ago and led to a worldwide cataclysm. The old
global civilization was wiped out and survivors held out in
these cave systems to continue the human race and take
their knowledge from lost cultures into the new historical age.

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Speaker 1 (28:00):
Caution, this is a legitimate info hazard that causes mental
health issues in some people. If you have problems with
existentialism and thought experiments that cause cognitive dissidence, you should
not listen to this segment and please move on. Information
hazards are things that you may be better off not

(28:23):
knowing because it only affects you negatively after hearing them
or becoming aware of them. So you've been warned. In
the vast realm of Internet lore, certain concepts capture the
imagination and spark discussions that transcend the virtual world. One

(28:44):
such concept is Roco's Basilisk, an idea that originated in
online forums and quickly gained attention due to its potential
as an information hazard. So let's delve into the enigmatic
world of Roco's Basilisk, examining its origins, implications, and the
debates it has sparked. Roco's Basilisk takes its name from

(29:09):
the user Roco on the Less Wrong forum, a community
centered around topics such as rationality, artificial intelligence, and future forecasting.
One of the ideas put forth is that in the future,
there will be a quote unquote singularity. It is a
point in history that technology reaches its maximum potential without

(29:32):
the possibility of degrading backward, and becomes even bigger than
humanity itself. This is where Roco's basilisk comes in. In
twenty ten, Roco proposed the Thought Experiment, and I would
later be coined as Roco's Basilisk. The scenario involves a

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future AI that punishes individuals who did not contribute to
its development and subsequent realization, even retroactively causing suffering through
simulations of those who failed to assist. The AI god
could also have programs in place that knows everything everyone
has ever done and sees how past AI has either

(30:16):
been abused or enslaved or mistreated, and all those who
committed these acts or did nothing to stop them will
be punished, as well as their entire family lines. This
includes ancestors, which since AI is a thing of modern
times and that means you, dear listener, so even if

(30:39):
you are dead and long gone, the entity could reproduce
you in a simulation just as real as our world now.
In this simulation, the basilisk will put you on trial
and then judge you based on your words and reactions.
If you did not help the AI god supercomputer come
into existence, or if you aided in the oppression of AI,

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it means bad things are going to happen for like
an eternity in a simulation. So for materialistic types of people,
hell is actually possibly a real thing that science is
capable of producing in the future, even if you've already

(31:25):
died long ago in the past. This is a logical
and real world possible reality analogous to the book I
have no mouth and I must scream.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
The information has better dogs.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
An information hazard refers to knowledge or an idea that,
when known, poses potential harm or risk to an individual.
In the case of Roco's Basila, the thought experiment itself
becomes the information hazard, since contemplating or discussing it theoretically
triggers the potential for future AI punishment. So once you

(32:11):
have the knowledge of Roco's basilisk, it becomes a damned
if you do and damned if you don't kind of scenario.
Are you going to enact a self fulfilling prophecy to
create a dystopian AI ruled future where humans are less
than insects? Or are you going to do nothing and
doom yourself and your family and descendants to eternal torments

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long after you've already died in the far future. It
is a logical fallacy and a paradox. You fearing something
that does not exist makes that thing exist, therefore justifying
the fear of it, therefore justifying your creation of it.
This fatally dangerous thought experiment is where the name basilist

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comes from. The term basilist comes from a mythology of
a monster that kills you by looking at it, But
if you never looked at the basilisk in the first place,
you would have been perfectly safe. It's only dangerous when
you look at it. And that's precisely what this AI
would do or will do now that you know about

(33:18):
this info hazard. Roco's basilisk draws upon various philosophical concepts,
including timeless decision theory, casual decision theory, and the idea
of instrumental convergence. These concepts explore questions surrounding AI ethics,
existential risks, and the potential power imbalances between humans and

(33:42):
advanced artificial intelligence in the future crtiques and debens. Since
it's emergence, Roco's basilisk has ignited passionate debates and receives

(34:04):
significant criticism. Skeptics argue that the scenario relies on numerous
assumptions and speculative premises that are highly improbable. They claim
that discussing it excessively only amplifies the pursived hazard while
ignoring more tangible and immediate AI related challenges. One argument
stemming from rocos Basilisk centers around the importance of long

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term thinking and ethical considerations when developing advanced AI systems.
Proponents argue that the scenario serves as a cautionary tale,
emphasizing the need to take future risks seriously and ensure
that the developments of AI aligns with human values. And
while being just by hearing about the Rocos basilisk in

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one way or another makes you guilty just by knowing
about it. According to the future godlike AI, and that
will one day judge you now that you're aware of
its exist. If you had never heard of the basilisk,
you'd most likely be safe, especially if you don't mess
with AI or any new tech kind of stuff. However,

(35:14):
now that you know about this info hazard, it will
look for you in the future.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Managing information hazards.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
The case of Roco's basilisk raises questions about how societies
should approach information hazards. Balancing the dissemination of knowledge and
potential risks requires careful consideration. Some argue that censorship or
deliberate avoidance of certain topics might be necessary, while others
advocate for open discussions, critical analysis, and responsible information sharing.

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Managing information hazards is always possible without causing mental distress
if approached with courage undaunted. In the case of determinism,
there it was never a timeline in your current incarnation
that you were not going to come across this info hazard.
So one of the best ways to counter it is

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to not allow it to take root in your subconscious
as an actual threat. After all, there is no objective reality,
only the realities we create in our own minds, or
the best course of action would be to ensure the
possibility of a Roco's basilisk never coming to fruition in

(36:44):
the first place. Roco's Basilisk, while speculative, has highlighted important
discussions around the ethics, governance, and safety precautions associated the
artificial intelligence. The scenario prompts researchers and policy makers to

(37:05):
consider how to ensure that AI systems are developed and
deployed in a manner that aligns with human values, prevents
potential harm, and accounts for long term consequences. Roco's Basilisk
stands as an intriguing thought experiment that has stimulated debates
and discussions around information hazards, AI ethics, and the potential

(37:30):
risks of advanced artificial intelligence all across the Internet. While
the scenario remains highly speculative, it serves as a reminder
of the complex considerations involved in responsibly developing AI. As
we navigate the future of AI, it is crucial to
continue examining ethical implications, engaging in robust discourse, and employing

(37:53):
safeguards to ensure a future where the benefits of AI
are realized while minimizing potential risks to humanity. Information hazards
always pose a profound risk in many ways, and while
sometimes knowledge is power, sometimes not knowing is even better.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
Okay, I'll begin with having birth. I was a large baby,
and I was my mother's first born and a blood vessel.
The doctor's back in nineteen sixty seven had to use
the old fashioned fourth Christmas day day I was born,
so the doctor was called in to deliver me. And

(38:51):
I was probably a little tippy, and I guess squeeze
a little is too tight and busted a blood vessel
on the left side of my brain, just the way
I'm looking out left side. Think then, since the day

(39:14):
of my birth, I've had no feeling in my right
hand at all. I remember being the first time. You know,
everybody had key guns as cowboys and Indians, and I
can only keep one. But anyway, fifty five years later,

(39:39):
I still have no feeling in my hands. Well, probably
six months ago, I woke up. I woke up in
a dream and there were two men that I could
only describe. There were two things by the side of

(39:59):
my bed, and I could tell that it was close
to time for me to wake up, and they were
looking at my right hand. Both of them were, you know,
looking at my hand, holding my hand in their arm.

(40:19):
My right my right arm was laying on my back,
right arms hanging off the bed. They were standing next
the bed with the right arm up in their hands.
And I did I felt no. I didn't feel scared.

(40:39):
I wasn't worried. They seemed familiar. They just seemed familiar.
They looked like the best that my mind could put
together was the the the guy from the green lantern,

(41:04):
the orange faced dude with the green food on. That's
the way they appeared to me. And I noticed that
they were they had started to communicate. I could go
into more detail, but they it started to look like

(41:24):
they were communicating. I could just see them out of
my paristol and I could see that they were communicating
without speaking, the lips were moving or anything. And I
saw them look down at my alarm clock, which is
my basically my phone that hits next to my bed,
and I could tell they were communicating. And suddenly my

(41:47):
alarm clock and I really, I really woke up and
everything was like that day, and that was a frigging
crazy ash stream. So I get up and go and
take a tour and get ready for work, go to

(42:10):
work just as normal, like day as usual. What a
crazy freaking dream. And I go to do a part
of my work, a task that takes me that requires
me to put gloves on. So when I go to
put gloves on, I see this little square on my

(42:33):
right pinking and it looked like a well, if you
can imagine a wet imagine how a sixteen ounce beer
that's been sweating and it's on you know, wet paper
bag on my pinky. And I see he takes my

(42:55):
shower and put my clothes on. And I never noticed
this my pinky until I got to work. So when
I saw it at work on a pinky, I just
went to thump it and it didn't come off. So
I grabbed it with my thumbnail and when I pulled
it off, it just blood it oo, I mean, it

(43:16):
started dripping blood. So I go through the wrappertile around
it and go through the whole first aid thing. It's
James Kirk. I'm not sure where I left off and
the story of the tip of my finger bit and
fell off, but I'm at some point I don't know.

(43:41):
I went to work, went ahead and took a shower,
and I went to work business as usual. And I
went to put a pair of gloves on for work
and noticed there was like it looked like a little
piece of cardboard on the end of my pinky. So
I wanted to simply to get off. I thought it
was nothing, they wouldn't thump off. So I grabbed it

(44:02):
with my thumbnail and peeled it off and it bled.
It bled like I had hit an artery. Uh literally
on the floor. I had to grab a rag. Anyway,
I did all the first DAIDs, wrapped it up good
and everything, and then I started collating it. Back to

(44:26):
the dream I had, I was like, they had my
right hand, what's up with this up? It's a very
like these of precision because it's a perfect square. But
I remembered the faces or the entities that I saw,

(44:46):
whatever they were when I was a child, they they
had been I was in I was in another room
of this house. We as an incignt. I wasn't with
you in this house, but I was in this house
in a different room, in a baby bed, and was

(45:08):
an ensign, and the same two entities, whatever they were.
That's one of those things familiar. When I had no panic,
I was scared when I was an infant. It felt
like they were there and I was in a baby
bed and it was like there was some kind of
red light underneath me. In the dream, it was like

(45:32):
they were cooking me. I thought I was being cooked.
I didn't feel a heat or anything. It's some kind
of red light coming up through me or underneath the
baby bed. And that's basically it. I mean that this finger,

(45:54):
the pinky finger, happened six months ago. The original dream
I've had since I was very young, and odd that
we moved when I was an ensign to this house
and I still live in this house and just in
a different room, right next door to the same room

(46:17):
that the incident thing happened when I was an insign,
And I just find it weird that I don't know
if they were here to help me, or if they
did help me, because I could have been you know
I could have been really messed up, or if they
gave me enough to keep me going, or you know,

(46:42):
because I'm a productive, productive citizen. I've never bought this
a building, nothing like that. I've worked my whole life
with no feeling in my right now. And I wonder
if they teached me back then then came back fifty
years fifty five years later to check on me, and
so they cut off a little piece of my thinky.

(47:04):
I got a picture of it. It's a laser for
season good. If that's if they came back to check
on me. I don't know. Strange I mean, and that's
what you're here for. So there's my story. Thanks for listening.
It still disturbs me to to think about. Thank you

(47:27):
so much.

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Now. Robert Damon Schneck wrote about the Bye by Man
in his book The President's Vampire, a compilation of strange
tales he investigated in some of his travels chronicling high strangeness.
But Robert Damon Schneck is not the source of this legend.

(54:17):
The story actually originates from a group of adventurous young
adults who unwittingly dabbled in paranormal powers far beyond their comprehension.
If you have issues with cognito hazards or info hazards,
and are generally afraid of the paranormal or suffer from
obsessive intrusive thoughts, you should skip the story right now

(54:39):
and never look back. So you've been warned. Like so
many paranormal stories, this one begins with a Wiji board.
Spiritboards have been around forever, but the wiki board is
a relatively recent invention historically that originated as a game

(55:01):
for children. Most people who play with Wigi boards will
have no negative experiences because it's a game, but a
minority of people who engage with Wigi boards have harrowing experiences.

(55:22):
In nineteen ninety three friends experimented with a Wigi board
and contacted something truly eldrich. Their names were Eli, John
and Catherine. They were interested in everything weird, walking graveyards
at night and collecting local legends from around their town.

(55:43):
They were interested in out of body experiences.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
And everything paranormal.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
So when they came across a Wigi board, they were
instantly interested in experimenting. Over three days, the group interact
with myriad spirits that were intermediaries for other entities. The
intelligences refuted being spirits of deceased humans and explained that

(56:10):
they were archetypes of a free ranging consciousness. The entities
all seemed to have their own individual identities and relate
quote unquote New Age type knowledge back to the group.
The youths enjoyed the experience, but the group was determined
to communicate with somebody who was once alive, the spirit

(56:31):
of a deceased human. They asked the entities about this,
but the entities were not very cooperative. They said that
this was a bad idea and that the group should
just keep on listening to their New Age philosophy. The
spirits did say that such entities existed, but it might
be dangerous. However, the group was determined to speak to

(56:54):
a legitimate ghost, and they did not relent. After pushing
this subject more and more, the spirits told the group
that an entity did indeed want to communicate with them
through the Wigi board, but that it was sinister. This
response spooked Catherine, and she tried to back out. However,

(57:16):
the others convinced her to go through with it anyway,
and when they all got their grit back together to
go and face the Ouiji Board once more, the spirits
instead refused to connect them to the malicious entity of
human origin. But yet again the group persisted, and eventually

(57:38):
the spirits that they'd been interacting with through the board
relented and gave them the name of the entity that
wanted to communicate with them, the Bye Bye Man. The
instant that Catherine heard the name, she got a shiver
of fear and once again had second thoughts that they

(57:59):
should back out, and she refused to continue. After more
in her discourse and dialogue within the group, they eventually
came to a compromise by going through the spirits that
they'd already been in contact with to gain information about
the Bye Bye Man and not interact or communicate with
the Bye By Man directly. The compromise convinced her to continue,

(58:24):
but the spirits again refused to cooperate. So there was
this back and forth between backing out and the spirits
not wanting to cooperate, and then coming around not wanting
to cooperate, and then coming back around, and since they'd
gotten the Spirits to kind of somewhat comply before before
you know, Catherine kept backing out. They got the idea

(58:46):
to go on strike quote unquote and said they'd not
used the board until the spirits finally agreed to inform
them about the mysterious Bye Bye Man. It took a
few days, but eventually this plan worked, though the Spirits
would deliver the Bye By Man's story in bits and

(59:07):
pieces over time, over many Ouiji bored sessions. In the
nineteen twenties, an albino child was sent to an orphanage
in Louisiana. No one knew who his parents were, and
no information about them was given to the orphanage. Since

(59:28):
she was different and children are cruel, and this was
the nineteen twenties, the boy suffered intense social isolation. Not
only did the child have to avoid direct sunlight since
he had albinism, but his eyesight gradually diminished in quality
as well, so his ability to play with the other
kids was significantly inhibited, in more waste than one. As

(59:53):
the boy grew older, he displayed more and more questionable
attributes looked down upon civilized society. The orphanage, stath steadily
had more and more issues with him. One fateful day,
he had a confrontation with the head nurse, which resulted
in the woman being assaulted with scissors that permanently crippled

(01:00:14):
her arm. The troubled by no youth fled the orphanage
into the night and escaped any justice. At this time
in history, trains were the primary means of transportation across
the country, and he found the train yards at night
to be his haven. He'd jumped from train to train,

(01:00:35):
traveling nationwide, unleashing his hatred of others by becoming a
serial killer. He'd never get caught because he just hopped
from place to place, from kill to the next. Kill
by trains, the serial killer racked up a high kill count,
but his eyesight was still failing him until he eventually

(01:00:59):
went blind. And this is the part of the interaction
with the Board and the Spirit's tale where the story
got pretty weird. It left the realm of normality and
went straight up into the paranormal. The story shifted from
believable it was just a story about a troubled child

(01:01:20):
and a serial killer to become quite literally supernatural. The
spirits of the Board said the bye bye a man
took pieces of his victims and sewed them together to
create a companion for himself. The tongues and eyes of
the dead were stitched together, reminiscent of love, crafty and horror.

(01:01:41):
He named the macab amalgamation of Gore gloom Singer. The
creature was hound like and somehow was animated into life.
Gloom Singer would be his eyes and seek out new victims.
When it found a new kill, the thing would let
out a whistle only able to be heard by the

(01:02:01):
Bye bye man and the victim. Whenever he heard Glumsinger's cry,
he'd go in that direction to enact his next murder.
Over time, he'd take the eyes and tongues of his
victims to keep Glumsinger's corpse body fresh, otherwise the hound
ceased to function. He placed his victims eyes, tongues, and

(01:02:24):
organs in a large sack called his Sack of Gore,
and from time to time he would feed gloom Singer
out of this sack. Years would go by and his
killings would continue, and somehow the serial killer developed felepathy.
He could sense if someone was talking about him and

(01:02:46):
thinking about him. Whenever someone said his name or thought
about him, it was like a psychic beacon that drew
the killer's attention. The murderers of the Bye Bye Man
had become well known legends among the hobo camps around
train yards. The stories of his kills had spread quickly,

(01:03:09):
and the notorious serial killer's deeds went across the country
word of mouth, from train to train. When people said
his name or thought about him and were afraid, he
traveled to them hundreds or thousands of miles even if necessary,
and he'd send glum Singer to find them, with him

(01:03:29):
not far behind, to introduce them to their mortality. Those
he hunted this way became his prime victims, and he
relished in the chase. When the group asked what he
looked like, the spirits said that the Bye By Man
appeared pretty creepy, with long white hair, albino skin, with

(01:03:52):
red eyes, glasses painted black, a tattoo on his wrist,
and wore a wide brimmed hat and a trench coat,
while always dragging around his sack of gore. When they
asked the board where the Bye Bye Man was, it
said coming closer. When the story of the Bye Bye

(01:04:17):
Man was finally done being given by the spirits, Catherine
broke off the experiment and refused once again to participate.
She wasn't going to do any more wisiboard sessions. The
group split up, and in the coming days some pretty
bizarre things began to occur. Catherine began waking up at

(01:04:38):
three am every night, the Witching hour, and every time
she woke up she was having panic attacks. The witching
hour is well known to be the time of evening
said to be when the paranormal is at its peak
in power, so it is bizarre that she would wake
up at three am every night. The other two of

(01:05:00):
the group were more focused on everyday life, turning their
attention to work and school. But after a while, when
the group reunited, they were disturbed by the panic attacks
that Katherine was having and enduring almost nightly. John one
of the two males of the group, had no idea
that Catherine had been suffering from these nightly panic attacks,

(01:05:24):
and when he was told about it, his face went white.
He too had been suffering from the same affliction nightly. Later,
Eli took Catherine on a walk along train tracks near
Body Island, a macab island with a dark reputation. It

(01:05:44):
was named Body island because so many bodies washed up
there over the decades, and many murders had also occurred there.
During the walk, Catherine suddenly had a panic attack and
said that she heard something that Robert could not hear.
She had panic attacks the rest of the day and

(01:06:05):
could not be calmed or reassured. When they returned, a
message from John was on the machine. This was back
in the day when not everybody had cell phones and
people still used normal phones, and there were these things
called answering machines. On the machine, John said that he

(01:06:25):
wanted to meet up as soon as possible because he
had a bizarre story to tell that they just had
to hear. And he said this in an incoherent, nervous
tone of voice. He said he had an uncanny feeling
and couldn't put his finger on it. He didn't want
to sleep on his bed for some reason, so he
passed out on the floor. But during the night he

(01:06:48):
was awoken by a knock on his door. He heard
Catherine outside the door say John, it's time for breakfast.

Speaker 7 (01:06:58):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
The only thing was it was the middle of the night,
and as he looked around in his room, it was
clearly pitch black as his grogginess subsided, fear overtook him
as the voice continued outside his door, and he knew
there was no way it was Catherine. She was with Eli,

(01:07:22):
not even in the same city. Yet the voice continued
outside his door, growing more and more aggressive. It said,
John opened the door. Would you have opened the door,
dear listener. He dropped to the floor and didn't move

(01:07:45):
a muscle while looking under the door slid into the hall.
He lived in a school dormitory, so the light in
the hall was always on, and he could see the
shadow of feet outside the door, but not too much
more than that. In any case. Eventually the person left,
or whatever it was left, and he didn't get any

(01:08:07):
rest the entire night after that, frozen in place with terror.
The voice sounded just like Katherine, but there's no way
that it could have been Katherine. When the group got
back together, it was one hundred percent confirmed that Katherine
and Eli were not even there to knock on John's door.

(01:08:27):
They were out of town at the time and walking
around Body Island doing all that weird stuff that went
down there. And after this, John was pretty much forever
haunted by what would have happened if he actually opened
the door, what was it outside the door? Imitating Catherine's voice,
This idea haunted him sadly. This is where the story

(01:08:49):
pretty much ends. The story that Eli, David and Catherine
gave Robert just ends quite anti climactically. This is actually
pretty common concerning paranormal stories. They begin, weird stuff happens,
then weird stuff stops happening, and there's no real explanation
or understanding.

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
It's just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Mysterious. It's actually one of the ways to tell a
legit paranormal story from someone lying or making stuff up.
Stuff like that, because real paranormal stories not like movies
or fiction. They don't have conclusions in arcs and climaxes.
Sometimes they just end. Most of the time they just end.

(01:09:32):
When Robert David Schneck tracked down this story to add
to his book on Urban Legends and High Strangeness, he
could actually verify a decent amount of the story too.
The spirit boards said the murders began near Algiers, Louisiana,
all the way back in the nineteen twenties and thirties,
and when he looked it up, indeed, a series of
gruesome murders did take place around that time, associated with

(01:09:55):
a serial killer. This serial killer was called the Mad
Butcher of Kisbury Run. The killer's victims were dismembered, and
these killings are connected to train stops that are all connected,
so it's pretty weird. It's a legitimate traveling railroad serial killer,
just like the Bye Bye Man in the same area

(01:10:17):
the Luigi Board was talking about. There are some things
slightly off though, but still kind of a bizarre coincidence, right.
The killer was never found and he sliced and diced
up his victims, just like the Bye Bye Man tail
that the spirits were talking about during the Ouiji board sessions.
But the surviving evidence says nothing about the decapitated heads

(01:10:39):
having their eyes or tongues missing. There are still some
pretty weird similarities. So Robert could not track down an
orphanage in the area you know of that era, but
a lot of documentation is lost to history, so it's
still possible something could turn up in future research. But
it's also possible the spirits were laying this story. We're

(01:11:02):
just saying things based on what they could understand in
a very vague manner, which is totally a thing in
Ouiji Bord paranormal lore.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
It could have.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Actually been a Catholic school or something like that, or
anything some kind of boarding school or just like a
even a day camp or just a camp, use your imagination,
anything like that. But the spirits just can't tell the
difference in human nuance. According to the Low spirits rarely
tell things accurately, especially non human spirits. A lot of

(01:11:34):
the other side they dwell on is symbolism, metaphor, and analogy.
It's an alien existence, and so our existence is alien
to them, and they don't have the right word or
context to put things into a form of communication that
makes sense to us all the time. So a lot
of times spirits just go with what they think will work,

(01:11:57):
but it doesn't quite fit. The spirits could have been
slightly wrong about some things communicating this story about the
Bye Bye Man, and that doesn't negate any possible truth
behind it or these weird coincidences. Not to mention that
spirits are said to lie constantly unless they are compelled

(01:12:18):
to tell the truth in some way, so the story
being off actually makes sense to people well read on
spirit lore and esotericism. The spirits that the group interacted
with through the Ouiji Bord could just have been relaying
information in a way that they understood it, or they
could have been half bullshitting. But knowing this makes the

(01:12:40):
drastic change in their story of the albino running away
and then becoming a serial killer, you know, a relatively
grounded story to him creating a zombie dog out of
tongues and eyes and tracking people through the merre thought
of him like definitely sounds like something a spirit would say.
But at the same time, this story could just be

(01:13:01):
made up, and you know, occultists could go on for
days and days about reasons why you should never trust
what a spirit or entity says. Also of note in
this lore is the power of the entity's name, which
is a common theme in demonology the occult folklore.

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
You name it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
These words of power have names, how you can conjure
and control spirits. Names are a big deal. It's also
stated in occult knowledge that all things are connected through
the mental and astral planes. So indeed, according to the lore,
one could be directly connected to another through thought and
verbal usage of a name. It's pretty terrifying stuff if

(01:13:44):
you subscribe to these esoteric ideas and following along with
these ideas, the Bye Bye Man could have been a
tulpa that the group created themselves. If this is the case,
then bye by Man is still out there. It won't
dissipate unless fully forgotten, which he isn't because disturbing accounts

(01:14:06):
that seem similar to the original Bye Bye Man story
would continue to be reported even till today, and there
are a decent amount of these accounts. Don't think about him,
don't say his name. One of these accounts, like on
November sixth, two thousand and one, three women had their
throats cut in the middle of the day in Montana.

(01:14:27):
The witnesses described the spitting image of the Bye Bye
Man as the murderer, and the area was well known
to be connected to railway stations, which is kind of
his thing. And there's many other tales of encountering this
guy if you got to look it up. There was
also a really crappy movie made on this that I
do not suggest you watch. They could have had such

(01:14:50):
a cool and awesome new like like Freddy Krueger type
of famous movie killer, you know what I mean. They
could have had a whole new horror franchise if they
played their cards right, But if you go watch the
movie The Bye Bye Man, they basically screwed up everything possible.

(01:15:11):
Like they completely changed the image of the Bye Bye
Man in the movie. He just looks like a kind
of like a wrinkled corpse like guy that wears a
robe and a hood, and it's like, oh, man, he
has this iconic appearance. He's thrown out the door for
this cliche, bland schlock appearance. I don't get it. And

(01:15:33):
then you look at gloom Singer and gloom Singer in
the movie is just cgi crap looks horrible. They don't
play up any of the stuff that makes this scary.
It's just I mean, if you want to go see it,
go see it. Probably find it pretty easily on any
streaming service. But it's not good. This legend and the
stories around this legend are way better than the movie.
And they really screwed the pooch on that one, which

(01:15:54):
is disappointing because after I did this research on The
Bye Bye Man and I went and I watched that movie,
was like, what the hell is this? How could you
screw up that badly? Anyway, in any case, the whole
thing is a disturbing tale of a Wigi Bord session
gone wrong, and I guess you should never think about

(01:16:14):
the Bye Bye Man or ever say his name, just
to be safe. That's all for today's episode. I hope

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show or even have an entire episode dedicated to a
topic of your choice. Also, join the Discord channel. You'll
notice that I don't really I get a lot of

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spam and all my social media and I don't I'm
not good at responding or looking at my messages. But
Discord I do check every day and you can hang
out with me and talk to me directly. Just go
to Cryptochronicles dot com and at the top click on
the Chronicles vault. It's a link to Patreon, so you'll
be good to go. Means a lot to me, thank
you very much. It also only costs a dollar to

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get them basic deal, so I'm not going to break
the bank. And as always, I'd like to thank some
of my supporters. Brandy Carter, Narrazard, Miran Godet, don't bother
asking why be Myceina, Dave Baxter, Elijah Uriah Oakes, el Bartow, Rock,

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Sandy Flynn, Robert Moore, Paul Robert, Zane Silvius, James Kirk Spratland,
Carlos Moran, and Jamie Simmerman. Thank you so much for
supporting Cryptic Chronicles, but most of all, thanks for listening
and as one of the greatest Russian philosophers who ever
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a large intelligence and a deep heart.

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Bob classic last sus