Datura: Bad Psychedelic Trips | Ep 113 - Cryptic Chronicles

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to Cryptic Chronicles, a show all about everything dark, mysterious,
and weird in the world today. On the show, it's
going to be kind of an interesting episode because I
originally had somebody coming on who was going to talk
about fairy folklore. I think they got kind of nervous
to actually come on the show. They got stage fright, maybe,
and I don't know. I haven't heard anything from them yet.

(00:35):
Hopefully we can get them to come on the show
in the future, because I really want to talk about
fairy folklore with them. But what this did was it
left me without anybody or any content prepared for this
week's episode, so you know, the show must go on. Luckily,
I got two people from the Whole Rabbit podcast to
come over and help me out a bit, and we're

(00:56):
just going to be talking about bad detera psychedelic trips.
I guess it's pronounced datur Actually, I just kind of
got used to calling it that terrific, so forgive me. Anyway,
it's gonna be a really fascinating episode. I just have
to get this disclaimer out of the way to avoid
like algorithm censorship or purging. Disclaimer. Cryptic Chronicles does not

(01:19):
support any use or spread or whatever of illegal drugs.
We are not, and I am not glorifying drug use
in any way. You should never use any drugs, and
you should always talk to your doctor about anything concerning
your own mental health or your own physical health. We're

(01:40):
not doctors, we don't know, and we can't give any
information to help you for your own self. So we're
not here to propagate, suggest, or glorify drug use in
any way, fashion or form. All right, disclaimer over, Let's
hop into the show, shall we. I'm your host, Tim Hacker,
and you're listening to cryptic uncles.

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Speaker 3 (02:43):
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with two occultists, Haik Rabbit a k a. Luke Madrid
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Speaker 4 (03:06):
I think Tim has tripped specifically of the datura variety.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh yeah, I just talk about like all the nightmare
stuff surrounding this thing. Datura is going to be pretty
interesting to talk about. Because it's probably something that you
should never do.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
That's kind of the theme of this episode is drugs
you shouldn't do. You should avoid them, because we have
the stories of the people who did, and they're bad.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Drugs are bad.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
What's up, dude, It just so happens that we're talking
about another flower today that can kill you.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Well, we could talk about all kinds of different psychedelics,
but datura definitely is deadly, even in small doses. The
thing about datura is depending on the circumstances of where
the flower grew, how old it is, how much sunset
shine it gets the soil, all kinds of different stupid stuff.
You could take the same exact amount, but depending on

(04:03):
if it's different plants, it could have completely different effects
on how strong it is. So you could take like
some seeds or smoke some of the leaves or make
a tea out of the leaves one time and it's like, Okay,
this didn't kill me. You could take the exact same
amount another time and it's lethal.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
So you want to work your way up, Yeah, I
think that.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
You should probably just not work your way anywhere with Deetra.
My overall conclusion of it is that it is the
psychedelic of the professionals. So if you're not literally like
a professional spiritual person such as a shaman or medicine man,
you know, stuff like that Amonk somebody who has like
super inner peace and they can meditate for hours in

(04:48):
the Himalayas. Those are the people that can take detra
and they're capable of handling its effects and dealing with it.
But any normal person, even experienced psychonauts it no matter
how cool you think you are at being a psychoonaut listener,
this is not for you. This is for nobody. Don't
take tatura.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
I mean just saying from experience. Uh, people in my
neighborhood we were doing that shit when we were in
like eighth grade. Hal's bells, tea.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
It's not the same thing because I have the.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, man, there's tons of slug names for datura datra,
but yeah, yeah, datra. Sorry, that's what I meant. That's
the proper way to pronounce it. Listeners, data, Oh, this
looks a lot like castor beam. Datta looks like little testicles.
Those are the seeds. The flowers themselves are actually very beautiful,

(05:44):
and I forget what they're called, but they're the type
of flower that doesn't bloom during the day. They bloom
at night. Isn't that weird?

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Okay? Yes?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
And they're very clearly whatever fictional flower in Far Cry
five is based off of.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I don't I'm not familiar with Far Carve five, but yeah, probably.
And there's tons of different nicknames too.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Dead Tour is also known as thorn apples, gymson weed,
Devil's trumpets, or mad apple, sometimes known as moonflower, Devil's weed,
or Hell's bells.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, it's got all kinds of different nicknames.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
And you've done the what's up? You've done the t version, right, Luke?
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, it's not funny.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
I mean I tried it.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
What was your experience.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
I wouldn't try this type of stuff that's doing the episode.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
I would never touch this stuff with the ten foot
stick personally.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
I didn't know when I was in eighth grade. All right,
I just heard it made you feel funny. I don't
even think we did it right.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, because if you didn't get sucked into a Nightmare
of Shelle, you probably didn't do it right. I did
not to say that that is one percent of the time,
of course, but let's just say like ninety nine percent
of the time, the effect that you have or what
you experience on deta is not good. And that's putting
it lightly, very lightly.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Yeah, that's true though, because like maybe I didn't do
it right, but other people that did it like definitely
fucking there. Their their bombs are dead now, like not
even joking, joking.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
I got ninety nine proms and deadterra some And the
thing about detera too, is that it's it's really everywhere.
It's extremely common and pretty much all gardening like gardening
supplies and whatnot. It's a like a weed almost it's
a flower, but it's like a weed. It's just everywhere
all over the planet. And it's legal as well. Because

(07:45):
it's just so common everywhere. It's considered just poison.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
It's probably evasive along with all the other pretty plants
in your.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Garden, so it's kind of difficult to regulate it, which
just caused a fortune. And you can't really make illegal
because everybody uses it in their gardening supplies, whether they're
aware of it or not. So detera is just extremely
common everywhere, and if you consume datura. Not only is

(08:12):
it extremely potent as a psychedelic and a poison it
also lasts from twelve to seventy two hours. You heard
that right, even longer if you go to like overboard
taking it. There's stories of people like lasting fucking two weeks, so.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Like a like a festival relationship or maybe a casse role.
Some cast roles last up to two weeks.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
And the thing that it makes it unique about psychedelics
is data does not act like the majority of other
psychedelics that we're used to hearing about. So it's not
gonna be like DMT, it's not gonna be like acid LSD.
You know, it's not gonna be like any of those.
What it does it has caused delirium, which makes it

(09:03):
unique compared to all the other psychedelics.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
That's what happens to Thanksgiving every year.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
You just eat yourself into a delirium.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
It's usually the conversation at the table, but.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
I hear you. I think that's also what they call it.
When you have alcohol poisoning and you're like somehow still
conscious but you're technically poisoned and dying, you get like
delirium tremens it's like when you're very confused.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
So like other well known powerful psychedelics that we are
used to or we know about, I mean DMT shrooms, LSD,
they alter the way that the brain processes visual sensory
and auditory stimulation. What datura does. Datura creates entirely new
information within the brain without any other influences. And while

(09:54):
those other psychedelics cause like a trippy experience, datura information
within the brain actually seamlessly overlaps with reality, like as
how our minds process it. So that's very interesting. It
doesn't alter the way we experience things. It creates entirely
new information in the brain from the chemicals that it introduces.

(10:15):
That's how it's different from LSD, DMT trooms.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
It's like that meme with the astronauts. It's what you
know what the mean with the astronauts, like always has.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Been yep, exactly Like LSD is the.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Astronaut in the front and Debt turnas the astronaut behind.
He's like I'm up in the guts all flip and
switches directly.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And since like these hallucinations there they come from the plant,
they're not altered from already existing things within the brain.
They're more real than real. They're utterly indistinguishable from reality,
and sadly, the majority of the time, they're very dark
and violent.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Being a plant is a dark and violent existence. They're
thinking about that. Do you every think of how dark
it would be be a plant?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
It is kind of dark.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
It gets cold.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
What do you do? You just have to suffer.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
You get wet. You're just cold and wet. And then
some insect comes along starts eating your face. What do
you do? You can't scream because you don't have a mouth.
And then what some little kid, a malacore comes along. Sorry,
it's munching on you with his friends, Cheeto dust on
his hands and stuff. And then next thing you know,

(11:28):
he's talking to little birds. The birds are talking back.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Not to mention, dude, that there's studies that show that
plants can actually communicate with each other in a way
that we can't quite understand yet.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
You know what they say?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
What hell.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Like when the grass is being mowed, all the grass
that has just yet to be cut, they're just quivering
with fear because they know exactly what's coming.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
You think you could teach a venus fly trap how
a wrap no flag trap house.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
But okay, so the datera. Hallucinations are so powerful and
real people aren't even aware that they're experiencing a hallucination
until after the trip is over. That's how real this
stuff is. It just becomes real to them. Like say,
for example, if you came across a demon in real life,
that probably changed your entire paradigm and maybe cause you

(12:24):
some ptst or like psychic breakdown in your mind. Well,
to the people experiencing these hallucinations, that's exactly what it
would be, like, this hallucination becomes real and since this uh,
what they think is there is really there, but like
half the stuff that they hallucinate of course, I mean

(12:47):
what I'm trying to say is like they hallucinate stuff
that's real there than real, so it seems real. There's
still the stuff around them that is actually real in
the real world. So this drug can become very dangerous
because of that, because there's still stuff that they don't
know is there, but that's like not there. It's hard
to explain, but this is one of the reas or

(13:08):
like there's cars, the cars are real. You know you're
gonna get hit by a car. You probably can't get
to the bug inside your arm, so put down that knife.
You know it gets dangerous. The trip could cause physical
harm in that way, but it can also cause physical
harm because it's poison, and it definitely causes massive psychological harm.

(13:31):
Many never recover from the seventy two hour living nightmare.
O Mel did just fine, he said, he doesn't think
he took it right. But the thing is is that
you can micro doose with this. You can micro dose
with det you can. Yes, However, it's also not really

(13:51):
good because it causes extremely vivid dreams. And these dreams
are just like the hallucinations, They're not wanted. They're gonna
be very dark.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Can you really take get tart with your pinky in
the air and then later go tell your friends how
like made work like so much more interesting, even though
like it just made you feel kind of nervous.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Honestly, I think if you microdosed with it, like the
conscious aspects and your daily life, not the extremely vivid nightmares,
just like your waking daily life is probably going to
be depressing as hell because it brings out the darkness,
and that's what it's known for.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
It seems like something you'd want to take like right
before a presidential debate.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, so your greatest fears, your greatest regrets, your doubts, things,
the stuff in your life that makes you depressed or
maybe makes you anxious, have anxiety, all of that stuff
is just going to be pushed to the top permanently,
not not permanently, but as long as the drug is
in your system, it just brings out the darkness and

(14:57):
that's it. But what do you think, because like with
the other psychedelics, people they still have bad trips. But
haack rabbit, I'm gonna ask you this, why do you
think that people have bad trips in the first place?
You know, on the other types of psychedelics.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
All for the same reason that life is a bad
trip most of the time. Because you get your expectations
out there and you're like, oh, I'm going to see
pretty colors, I'm going to see rainbows, I'm gonna talk
to the dolphins and the aliens, and then you just
end up finding out that you didn't buy toilet paper

(15:36):
because you're stupid, or maybe your personality sucks and you
can finally realize it with your hyper dimensional intelligence, or
you realize that all you do is spend your parents'
money or you know. It's basically, psychedelics make life come
at you faster, and life has lots of ways to

(15:59):
slap you upside the head. Otherwise you could just take
too much, and you take too much anything, you're going
to have a bad trip. But you know that's a
different story.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Can I be heard? Okay? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Why do you think that people have bad trips?

Speaker 5 (16:13):
I think people have bad trips? Just to be simple
about it, is because like Luke was just saying, take
too much, that's definitely a possibility. But also they might
have some mental or psychological baggage or bad experiences that
when they rise to the surface, they can't they haven't

(16:34):
dealt with it, and they're not ready to deal with it,
so it doesn't come in a joyful form. It comes
in a wrathful or fear inducing form.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Do you think that psychedelics have a way of like
shoving subconscious things to the surface.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Almost definitely.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
It can definitely bring things to the surface, because it's
like magic. If you do magic or you do psychedelics,
it's gonna increase the good parts of you and the
bad part to you. And then you know, one of
those wolves is gonna win for a little while. What
I really noticed about psychedelics they tend to bring to
a head the things you've been studying or thinking about.

(17:15):
So if you've been doing nothing but reading the Necronomicon
for the last week, you're gonna meet a technical monster, right,
Or if you've been studying Star Wars, you're gonna have
like a Star Wars trip. And or if you've been
thinking about how relationships go, that's what's gonna be your trip.

(17:36):
So you have to kind of build up to it,
and that's going to decide your trip. Though, how much
life can you handle all at once?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Do you think that it takes like a certain level
of maybe I don't want to say spiritual maturity, but yeah,
why not spiritual maturity? Say, say, for example, people who
meditate a lot, who have done a lot of inner work,
they have done a lot of philosophical thinking out their lives.
These types of people tend to have little to know

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bad trips. Why do you think that is?

Speaker 5 (18:06):
I want to quote Ramdas here, who is one of
the most famous psychoonauts drug takers of history. That's a
positive figure. If you're seeking the path to like the
truth and like an enlightened perspective on life, right like

(18:28):
a hippie because he was a hippie. And his advice was,
then do the drugs, do the analyst, do the thing
that is recommended to expand your mind, and as long
as you're doing it for that reason, it's gonna it's
gonna be good for you and you're gonna get what
you want. I definitely will say that this is a

(18:49):
slippery slope. But the thing about drugs, and this is
what my health teacher taught me, was that they work.
That's why they need to be regulated.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Reminds of what George Carlin says about childhood smoking. It's like,
you know why kids smokes cigarettes, same reason adults do.
They're stressed out and it works.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Again, not recommending doing drugs at all, This is just
what some famous people say.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, you just repeat Georgia carl and you're like, oh, yeah,
I'm going to jail now.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So do you think that for normal, every day people,
you probably it's a bad idea to do any type
of psychedelic cont especially if you're kind of trapped into
the daily, day to day rat Race got a lot
of anxiety, got a lot of bad stuff going on,
Maybe got a lot of past trauma you haven't dealt with,
you should probably stay away from psychedelics. What do you think?

Speaker 5 (19:47):
I mean, if they're normal and they're you know, confined
in their lifestyle and they're comfortable there, that, yeah, they
don't need to do LSD, but they must have some
sort of vice, some sort of pleasure outlet or whatever
they're doing is unhealthy, right, then they're not normal, I guess.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So yeah, so you're saying, maybe if somebody's got a
lot of issues, they probably should stay away from it.
But if you're like somewhat stable, you it's maybe within
your ballpark.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Every everybody's looking for that dopamine, that thing, that pleasure,
you know, because I mean, I guess some people are
doing certain drugs that just to fucking further dig themselves down,
like math, I guess.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
But sure meth is fun.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
When it's fun, I'm sure it's fun.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Come on, So if you're just trying to get high,
you probably should stay away from this. Huh Is that
what you're saying?

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, because this is this is definitely like a high level.
This isn't just some pleasure thing. It's it's gonna take
you to like a crazy level of high.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, not only the physical dangers that could come with
this category of stuff, but it's also the what really
lasts is the psychological damage that they can cause.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's like, did you ever look up gore pictures online? Like,
maybe once or twice when you were younger, maybe all
the time? Some listeners out there, I don't know whatever
you're into, did you ever do that? Look up pictures
of dead people?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And what was it called in our generation? Rotten dot com?

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, right, that one.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
This is like the psychedelic version of that. You know,
you're not doing it to like get high, really, you know,
you just kind of want to see something you shouldn't.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Yeah, see some shit, see some shit.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
No, it's very spiritual. Everything is very very spiritual. You
have to take everything seriously all the time, especially drugs,
because they're very serious, and spirituality is serious, and the
occult is serious, and really everything should be serious one

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of the time.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
You know, what I think is a good gauge, like
a way to test it?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Does this give it to your friend?

Speaker 5 (22:12):
No is?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Uh So this was said to me a long time ago,
and I think this might be even applicable here is
somebody told me about marijuana, About cannabis. They were like, look,
if you're a confident person, when you take cannabis, it's
gonna be chill. You're gonna enjoy its effects. If you're
not a confident person, or somebody who's insecure even, or

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somebody who has a lot of anxiety in your regular life,
cannabis is gonna make you paranoid and feel bad. It's
gonna bring out all that stuff from the subconscious you're
trying not to think about.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
The first time I smoked cannabis was the scariest thing, man.
It was like scarier than almost any other thing I've
ever tried.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Ever.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
That's oh taking no.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Debt or what do you think?

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Mouth?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Do you think that's a good gauge? You're accurate?

Speaker 5 (23:05):
What now?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
If you what was said to me a while ago,
I think is applicable here. Somebody said to me, like
about the drug cannabis, if you should take it or not,
and how it hasn't been negative or positive effects. They said,
if you're a confident person, it's gonna be good. But
if you're not a confident person, it's gonna be bad.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
I'd agree to that statement.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, because it's just gonna make you worry and paranoid. Yeah,
you have to have like inner work.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Then I guess it always makes me paranoid.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well, we're not talking about that, like the basic stuff.
I mean, come on, there's people who like get thrown
into depressions over smoky cannabis because it brings One of
the things that cannabis does is it lowers the wall
between your conscious and subconscious mind, and there's a lot
of things in the subconscious people will do anything not
to face.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
That's why I take it. It's because it shows me
things about myself that I don't want to face. Then
I go, oh, that was kind of a dick move,
or I should really try harder next time, or you know,
I got to do my best work because it really
matters if you can't be slipping like stuff like that. Actually,

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so it's not really that fun, it's not.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And that actually seems like a positive way to take
cannabis because it will show you those flaws that you
don't see in your conscious mind. It'll bring up the
stuff that is under the surface. So that's actually a
good way. You could also look at your own life
and come to conclusions about, oh I got to change
this about my life to make my life better.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
I don't even know why I smoke it. I hate it.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
To contextualize this in a few ways, really quickly, drugs
they don't last forever. The effects end, so that whatever
you gain from it is gone by the time it's
out of your system. Things like datra have lasting, long effects.
But in another way, to answer the question or the

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you know, should confident people try marijuana.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Or psychedelic or not? Just using it as an example, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Well, yeah, I mean it's definitely a gateway drug. And
like the first time I tried, you know, weed and
smoked weed was because this girl I really liked and
she knew I didn't smoke weed before. She was kind
of like pressuring me. And I was confident, you know,
quote unquote confident, and I was like, yeah, I could
smoke it, and you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna do

(25:30):
stuff with this friendship, right like it's gonna go somewhere.

Speaker 7 (25:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
And I mean that in like the total innocent, you know,
high school malachor way and spoked didn't really feel anything.
And you know, long story short, I never I never
got anywhere further than just becoming a smoking buddy with
this friend, and it made me sad in the end.

(25:56):
Maybe maybe if I said no. Maybe if I said no,
then would have been different.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
It wouldn't have led to a life of drugs and
crime and rock and roll. You're basically a menace to
society and it's because of her.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, how dare she?

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Oh? I was already a menace before that. It just
made me a bigger one. I guess.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
I bet you've had sex and you're not even married,
don't you?

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Don't you dare? Put my sins out on the table.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I can't believe you.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Time for a quick break?

Speaker 7 (26:30):
Do not go anywhere?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
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Speaker 1 (32:12):
Okay, so I'm reading here that I know I said
that if you take da Datra, its effects can last
for two weeks. This says up to nine months if
you take it in like an overdose. So it's like,
how would you like to trip balls for nine months?

Speaker 4 (32:26):
It depends on what it is.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
It would be hell, nightmare, hell, razor heller. That's why
people have gotten like PTSD from datra many many, many, many,
many many infinite many times. It's because of stuff like this,
because if you overdose on it, I take it too much,

(32:48):
you're gonna trip balls for nine months. Basically in hell, you.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Give birth to a little bad trip baby.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
After nine months?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
How long could you take it? Because you remember, you
wouldn't be able to tell the difference between this nightmare
and reality.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
That's the best part. When the baby comes out, its
rippy bib body, you herby, you to go drive a car.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
You wanna go buy a car? Baby safe for college? Nerd,
It's go buy a car, all right? At least as
long as it's uh electronic and.

Speaker 10 (33:25):
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Speaker 4 (33:27):
We get it out of well, get it out of caverage.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
That's a very responsible demon baby. I'm sure you're very
proud of yourself.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
You don't want a big premium.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Demon baby knows what's up. So despite all of this
like negativity, we're talking about datra, it's actually been used
for religious practices all over the world, including Asia, Europe,
and the Americas. It's been used as a historical medicine,
specifically for asthma in microdoses, as well as pain treat
and as like a topical application. This thing has been

(34:03):
smoked for thousands of years, so it's nothing new.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
What religit uses data.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's gonna be the more primitive no, I don't want
to say primitive. It's gonna be the more classical kind
that are maybe more animistic as well as it's used
in witchcraft actually, which is pretty weird because it's used
it's an excellent for use with necromancy. So in witchcraft

(34:30):
you could take datra and essentially summon dead people and
talk to dead people.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Or like travel to the astral and like yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, talking to dead people. It's it's potent for necromancy
if you're into that, according to the traditions in Europe
and whatnot, So I guess that would be Western tradition,
our tradition. But it would also go back before quote
unquote witchcraft ever came around, obviously, so we're talking age,

(35:00):
classical age. There would be the cunning folk women doing
wichy stuff back then as well. With this necromancy.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, you could just like poison your husband, couldn't you.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yes, it is a poison, like literally a poison. You could.
It's been used for years by assassins, centuries millennia.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
You just put it in his oatmeal.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
But it's not looked at necessarily as a bad thing.
In many cultures as well, Specifically in India, people believe
that Shiva, the god, Shiva smokes wheat and datre at
the same time, so he spliffs it. Who Shiva does.
Shiva smokes spliffs of wheat and datra.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Shiva could Shiva?

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Well, I mean, like I said, the only people who
should ever take datra is going to be professional spiritual people,
and I Shiva would definitely fit that bill. And in India,
many Hindus leave datra as an offering for she at
his statues.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Leave a little bit for Bibaji underneath the sacred tree
on the Sacred Mountain.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, it also seems like it might be something to
do with the duality of darkness and light, because cannababis
could be seen more as like a positive aspect of
the psychedelic, whereas datra would definitely be the dark aspect
of psychedelics. So get some yin yang stuff going on there,
kind of under the service symbolically, And in northern Mexico

(36:29):
and southern US, the shamans used to use data as
a tool to cross between the veil of life and death,
so again not necessarily necromancy, but definitely shamanic journeying into
the underworld. Data was like a specific tool for that,
and in many of these traditions in the America's datra
is associated with the underworld specifically.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
For good reason, because if you take too much of it,
you die.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Also just the type. Depending on who they would be
contacting or doing their journeys with, or what they would
be summoning, etc. They would specifically to choose datra if
they were doing the darker stuff, whereas they'd choose other
psychedelics if they were contacting more lighter side of stuff.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
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Speaker 4 (37:19):
It sounds kind of fun, you know, it's not you
got like go on. You know, you got like your
daytime and your nighttime.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yes, and Thattra would be the night time. It was
also used in Central and South America by shamans for
divinatory purposes, because allegedly you can see the future through datra.
But again, it would take practice to be able to
even able to comprehend these divinatory features of the drugs,
so a normal person wouldn't see the future. They would

(37:51):
just be like, Oh, that's a bunch of people that
had their heads cut off. That's weird or some weird You.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Just wait first world to walk up to you and
tell you what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, and the squirrel would be like a satanic monkey,
it's gonna rain tomorrow. Also, if somebody has schizophrenia in
their bloodline, this drug will actually trigger it in them,
even if it would have otherwise remained dormant. What do
you think about that?

Speaker 4 (38:21):
I see the secret codes all the time. I don't
know what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
I think doing any psychoactave substance while you're disposed to
any form of schizophrenia is not recommended at all.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
A lot of people don't even know it's in their bloodline.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Though that's true. You can actually just smoke a joint
and go completely nuts because if it's latent, it can
bring it out, or you could just roll really low
on that smoke. You roll it one yep, critical fail.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
So here's some possible negative long term side effects of DATRA.
Countless accounts of self harm, drug induced psychosis, heart damage, seizures, PTSD,
and death from overdose can occur even with small doses.
Possible long term side effects that are positive because there

(39:20):
are positive ones, believe it or not. Respiratory decongestant inside Okay,
well yeah, because it was used as medicine for asthma.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Remember why is it always the decongestants that make you
see demons?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I never thought of that. Yeah, that's weird, like cough medicine.
What's that mouth?

Speaker 5 (39:41):
I think it might be associated just with breath, like
that whole idea of breath life. It's like super connected,
and yeah, it's true, breath is life. It's oxygen related
and carbon element related to me, you know, with oxygen
being like the angel but the carbon in us is

(40:05):
being like invigorated by it through the substance. So when
we start breathing back into existence, like if we're not dying,
we're like still able to breathe, You're breathing through a
demon filter. Basically, I like to.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Think of oxygen kind of like the sweetish chef, you know, like.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
You know from the Muppets or whatever. The fuck?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, I know exactly who he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
And then hydrogen is like animal and you put the
two together. That's water. You need it to survive.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Think about that makes sense. Other positive long term side
effects are insight into the true nature of reality. Topical
painkiller increases neuroplasticity. What does that mean.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
That means it's making bridges in your brain that didn't
exist before, and like your brain is working in a
plastic state.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Old dog new tricks exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, because we were talking about how it creates a
new information in the brain. It doesn't work off of
what's already there like the other psychedelics. More of the
positive side effects enhances creativity and open mindedness and restarts
one with a new paradigm slash outlook on life, which
I guess means like you basically die and are reborn

(41:33):
because I felt like that taking psychedelics before.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Oh yeah, I mean halfway through taking that till you're like,
what kind of fucking idiot?

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Am I?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Why did I take this? What the who are these
people that let me take this?

Speaker 1 (41:48):
All your life?

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Bridge? What the fuck is going on?

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Exactly when what did that moment of did you realize
that it was like changing you? Like, how did you
just but it didn't?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
How did you just say that it made me feel
like I died and was reborn?

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Yeah? At one At what point did the drug make
you feel that way? It was after it was over
for me with Alice d It was the moment that
it started kicking in, like every like time froze in
my mind just went through this like cosmic trip was
like you just experienced infinity in a moment. Now go

(42:27):
back to where you were on the freeway going to
the club, and I was like, holy shit, guys, I'm
feeling it like I'm back from a whole cosmic trip
right now.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, And it kind of reminds me of people who
have near death experiences. They have similar experiences as people
who took psychedelics because psychedelics. Allegedly, it like recreates the
experience of death. So it definitely if you experience death
and you come back, that's going to change you in
a lot of ways.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
I've done that before too.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Definitely could change your outlook on life, probably for the positive.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Not recommended.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, don't ever seek that out. Obviously. It's also an
anti inflammatory I think, did I say that? So you
can like topical use it as a topical ointment and
it chills your skin out. And last, definitely not least
is losing the fear of death.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
You know, and you die, it's not so scary anymore.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
So, yeah, the experience would be nightmarish. But at the
end of the day, what do people fear more than
anything else in this world as as being a human?
We fear dying.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
So what if you speaking actually or public speaking?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
But what if you could use the detra as a
tool to get rid of that fear of death. Not
saying that you should don't ever do it, but that
the option is there because this is one of the
alleged side effects.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
You know, I actually took some right before the show
to help with the fear of public speaking. It's you know,
you guys, you have mouths on your foreheads. I accept it.
I accept you for who you are. Those were all
beautiful snowflakes. What do you think in the rainbow of time?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Do you think that losing the fear of death would
be extremely positive.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
In certain context? But not directly telling everybody to do
to find that out?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Well, yeah, of course we're not trying to say anyone
should do this at nauseum, but you know, in a
in a philosophical.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Sense, yeah, for the Bronze Age warrior, it's like, yeah,
don't fear death in battle when you're.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Living in a podcast, it's because I think that losing
the fear of death could actually be pretty pretty legit
like and helpful in a lot of ways. Not on
the freeway, no, not in that kind of sense. Obviously,
you're always going to have the survival instincts and you
don't want to end self, delete yourself, not talk about that,

(45:00):
talking about overall, Like, think about it. Most people their
greatest anxiety is death, and they always shove it to
the deepest parts of their subconscious. Our society just always
hides from death. But what if you could just lose
that fear? That seems like it would be a huge
advantage psychologically, I mean.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, I'm not saying we're just being philosophical here.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
It's both. That's why you should fear death and he
shouldn't fear death. Like if death is stopping you from
doing what you want to do, then like you should
get over it. But it's okay to fear death because
you it's the unknown. Like, well, it's okay to fear
death because it's the unknown and you like your life
and you don't want it to end.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I think that humans less fear death, they more fear
the unknown.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
What do you think, hear me out?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (45:52):
What if you don't fear death but you're still terrified
of discomfort.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
That's just weakness.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Well then you can still be weak and not fear death.
That's just it really matter.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Can you use it to make money.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, because you'd probably take a lot more risks and
you would care a lot less what other people think.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
But would your love of money ever interfere with your
lack of fear of death? You know what I mean, Like,
because if you die, you can't spend the money anymore.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
I think it would probably depend on the person. I
think it would make less the superficial stuff important and
more the personal stuff important. That's good for personal growth
and just like like for example, say for somebody only
cared about money and they had a near death experience.
Then they came back and they lost the fear of death.

(46:48):
All of a sudden, they become good family members. If
their fathers, they become good fathers. You know, they helped
the needy, whereas before they were dicks. I think that
it could have that kind of a result.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
But who gets the money.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
I like your quote because it makes rich people sound
like assholes until they die.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Ha ha.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
I mean they can be assholes after they die too.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, sometimes spooky ghosts or dicks.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I heard you had some trip stories.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, let's talk about some of common hallucinations from data.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Tell us a trip story, Tim, you want to gather
around the Christmas tree and put walnuts on your toes, we.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Absolutely shall do so. So what a lot of people
see you when they take data is they smoke phantom
cigarettes or eat phantom food.

Speaker 7 (47:38):
What.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, because it's so real.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
You're not supposed to eat the food in the other world, But.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
No, you're never supposed to.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
No, can you eat the cigarettes though?

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Well, yeah, I don't know why they would. Another common
hallucination is they'll see people or entities that they know.
So if you're depending on what kind of religious or
spiritual paradigm you exist, and you'll probably see demons from
it or something. Another common hallucination reported is blood oozing

(48:09):
out of the cracks or like creases in everything all
around you.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Oh bloody butt crack. I've seen that before.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Just yeah, like the wrinkles in your peepee, or like
the folds in your armpits, or.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Or like probably like the corners of walls and stuff. Guys,
Oh that's different, or like you know, in doors, wherever
there's creases in any structures or designs of architecture, they
all of a sudden start bleeding. That sounds fun. Next
one is insects or parasites, So people often like hallucinate

(48:46):
phantom giant ticks on them and shit like that, or
just covered in like flesh eating bugs. That's why a
lot of times people hurt themselves.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
It's the aphids from a scanner darkly. And this is
why people pick their face and their arms when they're
hie on math yep, it's to your sign of use.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
And The last common reported whocination is feeling like your
brain or other organs are going to fall out of
your body, which sounds ridiculously horrifying.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
I feel like that all the time.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Okay, now we could get into some trips.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
This is by you.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Someone's alt one two three at r slash debt ture
forum on Reddit. I remember watching TV. I don't remember
the show, but there are bugs all over the walls.
The man in the corner won't stop staring at me.

(49:43):
I'm hearing whispers from the kitchen. I try to sleep.
I can't relax over the breathing coming from the foot
of my bed. I could feel its breath, itching, lots
of itching. Can't sleep, can't sleep. I'm dying. I've died
multiple times already, and I'm going to die again. I

(50:07):
hope this is the last time I walk outside. It's daytime.
There's a girl talking to me. She looks dead. She
tells me, I'm next. I snap out of it. Back
in my room, she's standing in front of me. Huge
bugs everywhere. None of this seems to bother me anymore.

(50:31):
I have multiple more strange occurrences like this, but I
don't remember them.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Well.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Even think about that.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
I think that's a Colorn music video that sounds like
it is.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
That doesn't sound fun.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Look do you think he asked the girl out after that?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Or the dead girl? Yeah, dude, she's.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Dead, but love can transcend the graved him.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
But it sounds she was specifically trying to be spooky
to him. Why would you want to date somebody trying
to be spooky to you?

Speaker 4 (51:06):
People do it all the time anyway. I understand, though,
what you're hitting at, gingervitis. Dead people always have bad
ginger of ittis platosis meth teeth. My Reddit user Remarkable
Tea thirty seven seventeen. I was in bed when I

(51:27):
woke up in another dimension. I saw thousands upon thousands
of dead bodies stacked upon one another, going through into
the sky.

Speaker 10 (51:37):
Screaming, lots of bloody screams, and the blood was stayed
onto the walls of brownness. And that's really all I
recall until.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
I woke up with a horrible headache and the doctor's
telling me it'll be okay, it'll be okay, just get
a fucking air for her.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Damn dude, Mountains of corpses screaming. It's like those pictures
from the Renaissance of Hell.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
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Speaker 11 (52:01):
To see some really fucked up It seems to be
a common motif with these types of plants, is hellscapes
that resemble Renaissance paintings of Hell. Yeah, dude, I mean,
do you think that's where the witches had to go
through to like stab their boss in the neck, astray
and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
They're like, Oh, hey, what's up, Satan, Hey, what's up?
Weird centipede butt vagina?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Who knows?

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Man?

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Maybe it seems like they were onto something though we
all want to be.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
On a biggest centipede butt vagina. Please continue.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
This next one is from adam Ole one two three.
They say, I find the memory effects that happens when
you are on this plant seem to misplace me in
the reality that everyone else is living and getting along game.
It's not like a nice feeling. I feel totally separate
from people in the memory flashbacks are overwhelming, not letting

(52:59):
me get on with my present day life. It's crazy.
If you want advice, beware of how many times you
actually use and remember that the unwanted side effects are
always there, like memory time travel.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
That sounds awesome.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
So as you can see, these trips are pretty fucked up.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
You know how you make memory time travel awesome every time?
You just make sure your life is always getting worse,
you see, that's the trick.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
So yeah, what do you think you should probably be
a professional spirit person to ever go anywhere near this stuff?

Speaker 8 (53:34):
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Speaker 4 (53:34):
I mean somebody's got to eat it normally.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
People can't handle this. It takes years of spiritual training
to consume. For ninety nine percent of people out there,
this is just gonna cause pain and darkness, that's all
that awaits them.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
But some people they deserve it, and you know, some
people that's what they want. You got to give the
people what they want. It's democracy, tim If people want
pain and darkness and bloody orphices, well, by God, it's
our responsibility to give it to them.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
But it should be escape. We get all that stuff
in normal, everyday life already, and.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
If we can make some money doing it, then it's justified.

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the Christmas pooh oh wyit that night I ate them.
Bear in mind, I was a big pothead and maybe

(01:00:07):
a little naturally stupid, and had no clue that you
had to wait longer for orally and just to drugs
to kick in.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
We've all been there, though, I mean, come on, who
hasn't had half a week cookie and been like, oh,
this shit is weak, and then like eight and two more,
only to not be able to leave your couch in
the puke. We've all been there. Oh anyway, ten PM.
I started with fifty seeds, chewed them up good and

(01:00:37):
swallowed them. Waited fifteen minutes, I know, dumb, and figured
they weren't working. Ten to fifteen. Ate another fifty seeds, chewed, swallowed,
ten forty five pm. Hmm, still no effects. I know.
I'll eat another fifty seeds seven pm. All right, now

(01:01:03):
I have one hundred and fifty seeds in me one
hour since I ate the first fifty seeds, and still
no effects yet. So I figured this stuff must be crap.
Stupid liars at my school must be just trying to
get attention. So I smoke some weed and go to sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I figure that I think that's going to work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yeah, I figure I wasted my time. Halfway through the night,
I woke up with my hand over my face for
some reason. The first thing to come to mind is
it is a scorpion. I don't move, I don't want
to get stung. Then I swatted off my face and
realized that it was my hand this whole thing doesn't
even strike me as unusual, and I go back to sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
I mean, we all get scorpion hands sometimes when we sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Seven thirty am Tuesday morning, I wake up for school,
but something is definitely not right here. My room is
kind of moving in a way that it before, and
my coordination is wrong. I stumble over to my door
ento the laundry room to get dressed when I think
I see my dad standing there watching me. I've never

(01:02:11):
quite got along with my dad, really, as he does
not like my affinity for psychedelics.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Oh, my affinity a psychedelics.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
He just stands there staring, and I ask him, what
is wrong with you? I'm trying to get dressed here. Wait,
what the hell where did he go?

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
I haven't seen my dad since.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I bet his dad's Yeah, I bet his dad's dead
or something.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
I just went to go get some cigarettes. They'll be back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I go downstairs and I start eating breakfast and find
out my dad left for work two hours earlier. Oh,
I am confused. Suddenly it dawns on me maybe this
datura stuff isn't bullshit after all. I then went to
school and really started my nightmarish trip.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
He went to school on this. Remember if you overdose
on this shit, it just continues making you trip up
to like months. This must be crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
I love how long it's taking it to kick in
because he ate it to sleep, right, Yeah, and then
you don't really start digesting stuff when you're asleep, like
you have to wake up a little bit. So he
woke up and he's starting to like it's starting to
hit him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Now, that's crazy, and he's going to school continuing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Honestly, that's the best place to trip. No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
It's like the worst.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
It's the best place to trip because you're surrounded by knowledge,
oh my god, and people your age, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I guess it would be better to trip at church haunt.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
It depends, you know, but singing and anyway, please continue.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Maybe it wouldn't be so bad in the right environment,
but high school was definitely not the time or place
for this particular trip. I talked to my friend C,
who decides he should tell me how long it lasts. Quote, yeah, dude,
this stuff lasts three days at least end Quote what
the fuck?

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
He tells me to have a good ride, good luck,
then leaves for class. Fuck now I'm worried.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Yeah, do you this stuff less than three days?

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Man? The rest is fragments of memory that I will
share the ones I remember here as I remember them.
Day one, things went reasonably well. Nobody seemed too suspicious
other than D and other friends tell me my pupils
are massive. I remember hearing the odd voice in my

(01:04:53):
head paranoia, crazy shit like that, and wicked bad cotton mouth.
A one went relatively well, not too many big hallucinations
that I remember, mostly tracer type things. I think at
this point none of my stoner friends B, D and
T had eaten any seeds. Things are trippy, but not

(01:05:15):
really in a bad way, and not like any drug
I've ever done since. Then, Day two, the shit hits
the fan, constant cotton mouth voices in my head, Objects
that shouldn't move sometimes seem to be, but not in
a cool way anymore. My girlfriend read up on Datura

(01:05:36):
and was worried about me, and I'm trying hard to
maintain during classes, which is getting tough. I never noticed
how much my science teacher looks like in Orangutang, and
I almost laugh in her face. Then I remember talking
to my history teacher and my foot melts into the
floor for a second. She must have noticed, because she

(01:05:56):
asked me if I'm feeling okay and looked at my
eyes suspiciously. My eyes are like huge black holes. At
this point, I am constantly thirsty, dizzy, and have a headache.
My friends all want to eat some despite my warnings.
But who gives a shit right now, I am focused
on appearing sober and doing a shitty job at it.

(01:06:18):
That night, I go home and sit on the couch
and just stare for a while, not at the TV.
I don't think it even occurred to me, just in
the space. I remember feeling like my brain was full
of static. Then my mom comes home and asks if
I'm okay, and for some reason I comment on how
foggy it is outside. She tells me there is no fog,

(01:06:41):
it's sunny. I decide this is a good time to
take a walk down to where I work down the
street to ask my boss for some time off next
week for a camping trip. Here comes the craziest hallucination
I think I ever had. Since this, I have tripped
on mushrooms once, MDMA three times, mescaline five LSD fifteen
plus times, and salvia dozens of times, as well as

(01:07:04):
a pretty large bunch of other things I won't get
into now. I still think this is one of my
weirdest hallucinations to date. Excluding salvia, nothing gets weirder than
that plant. I was walking down my street. I walked
past a mini mall, looking to the left at my
reflection in a dark window, and thought I saw me

(01:07:24):
walking holding hand with my girlfriend. The weird part was,
I was so screwed up at this point it didn't
even click that she wasn't there. And then I looked
back a second later, and now I was holding hands
with myself.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
He never had a girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
This clicked in as not right and scared the fucking
piss out of me, and I looked to my right
and sure enough I was alone. I am not exaggerating.
This was the realest hallucination I've experienced. I can't remember
if I kept walking or went home. All you both
day three thanks are getting nightmarish and I am really

(01:08:05):
looking forward to the end of this bullshit. Voices coming
and going more frequently, as well as trails on objects,
and I am starting to get pretty anxious and paranoid.
I remember having a lot of trouble communicating with people,
and even at one point seriously considering that Datura had
made it possible for me to read people's minds. My now,

(01:08:27):
I was getting pretty delirious. I'm not sure if it
was a hallucination or not, but there was one moment
in day three where I was seriously convinced that I
might die. I was sitting in History writing a test
failed it obviously, when suddenly I felt a massive pain
in my chest. The pain was real, but my brain

(01:08:49):
may have made it seem worse at the time. The
pain spread quickly to my left arm and back, and
I was sure I was having a heart attack. I
was freaked the fuck out and started sweat. Luckily, I
sat in the back of the class and somehow got
through this without anyone noticing. I remember starting to get
up and try to get help, but the pain was

(01:09:11):
so much I had to stay sitting and squeezed my
eyes shut, and then a couple of minutes later it
was gone as quickly as it came. Then, later that
same class, we had a surprise fire alarm Oh good,
where I met my friend d outside, who was also

(01:09:32):
now on DATRA.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
He had no idiot friends.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Nice man, this would be so traumatizing at school. He
should have just been calling it sick. What the hell? Anyway,
He had no clue what was happening and thought it
was time to go home. I tried to tell him
we still had school, but he thought I was lying.
There was some more shit, but this trip report is
long enough already. I would not recommend this. It totally

(01:09:59):
sucked for me the most part, and put three people
in my school in an emergency in less than a week,
one of which was in a coma but recovered. Luckily
I wasn't one of them. That was kind of tame,
but still horrifying.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Tripping out for three days in class imagining you have
a girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Tough flight, all right, This one's called a dimension. I
never want to return to OOH.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Work.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
When one of my dealers told me I had to
try datra the summer of my freshman year, I was skeptical.
I was working a lifeguarding job. I needed to stay sharp.
I could be called into action at any moment. He
assured me that it wouldn't be a problem. He was wrong.

(01:10:55):
He gave me one pod and told me that half
would be sufficient. Being an experienced a psychonaut. I figured
I would take the whole pod dumb. It took about
an hour until I felt anything. After about ninety minutes,
I began to feel very dizzy and lethargic, like being

(01:11:15):
too drunk. I took a fat dab to try and stabilize,
but felt nothing. I just felt asleep.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
That's always a good way to stabilize is to take
a fat dab.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
When I awoke, I knew I had made a terrible mistake.
Everything was blurry, but I was sure I was in
an oven. I was really sweaty and my elbows felt locked.
I felt like I really had to relieve myself, but
couldn't find the bathroom because I was blind. After about
fifteen minutes, my vision started to clear up and I

(01:11:49):
could see. I tried to get off the couch, but
it felt like I left my hands behind my legs
could barely move. With incredible effort, I rolled off of
the couch and began to crawl to the bathroom. I
pulled myself onto the toilet and tried to defecate. I
felt incredible relief until I looked in the bowl and

(01:12:10):
there was nothing there. Okay, yeah, that sucks. Phantom pooping
that happens to me all the time. When I looked
into the toilet again, the water had turned to blood.
No matter how much I wiped the toilet, paper always
came up bloody.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Me too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
As I left the bathroom, I looked in the mirror
and saw my father. I knew I shouldn't talk to
him then, so I left. When I entered my living room,
I could see that some friends had come over. The
only problem was they had all died. Blood was flowing
out of all their orifices. It was horrifying, and I

(01:12:49):
ran to my room. I tried to go online, but
wouldn't turn on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Frustrate.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
No, that's the worst part, dude, No Internet. It takes
someone chunks the internet stops working.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
That would cause anyone, even people not on psychedelics, did
go mad. Frustrated, I went to my desktop but couldn't
my password. I just wanted to listen to some music,
but all I could do was shake my computer. I
ran past the party in my living room of dead

(01:13:24):
people and out the front door. I looked in the
sky and all I could see was green gas. I
was sure it was making me insane, so I got
into my car and just sat there for what could
have been years. The next thing I remember, I was
back in my house talking to my friend. She kept
asking me if I was okay, but I couldn't speak.

(01:13:45):
It was like no matter how loud I screamed, nothing
would come out. Then my vision went blurry again and
I might have passed out. I awoke in what could
only be called hell itself. It was like I had
entered to mension of pure agony. The floor covered in
vomit two feet deep, and blood was gushing from my underwear.

(01:14:08):
I waded to the bathroom to find that my dad
had left the mirror. He was yelling at a younger
version of myself, telling me that I would never be
as successful as my brother, who recently died of guyardia.
I tried to pull down my pants to clean up
the blood, but I realized I wasn't wearing anything. The

(01:14:29):
only thing I had a vagina.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
I am a man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I was ashamed in front of my father and began
to weep until I realized I was just crying on
the floor of my bathroom. I decided I needed some water,
so I turned on the sink, but no matter the
water was scalding no matter what temperature I tried to
put it on. I remembered when my brother was really sick.
Everything even ice water, felt burning hot to him. It
was like I was inhabiting his soul, and it felt good.

(01:14:58):
I left the bathroom and my friends had turned into
piles of rocks. I tried to piece them back together,
but I couldn't hold onto anything. It felt like my
hands were covered in grease. Needless to say, the rest
of the night was something out of a dimension of
unimaginable nightmares. Sometime around five am, I started to come down.

(01:15:19):
My vision was fuzzy and I kept seeing something move
in the corner of my vision. I went to sleep
for a few hours and woke up relatively Okay. The
road to recovery has been long, but I'm hopeful that
with the continued help of antipsychotics, I will in time

(01:15:39):
be able to overcome the trauma that I experienced from DETRA.
I would not recommend DETRO to even the most experienced trippers.
What I saw can only be described as my own
worst nightmare.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
Okay, that was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
That was pretty fucks Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Yeah, that was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
That was a bad one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
I think that actually is hell.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, right, Well, it's supposed to take you to the
other world. It's supposed to stop the veil of life
and death. So in a way, you could look at
this as the afterlife and what awaits you if you
go to the hell side of things? Maybe what do
youse like?

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Some Clive Barker shit dude like, And then you see
your dad there yelling at you when you're a little
kid at the toilet, like, boy, is your beat is
so small? Daddy?

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
And it like turns into a vaginad you have.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
A woman half a vagina. You're not allowed to have
a vagina, Dorny. It's still the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
You'll never be as good as your brother and he's dead, Like,
what the fuck? Malue that that's not nice.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
That's not good parenting. This story is also from Aerowhid.
It is titled Dark and Hopeless Hell. When I was eighteen,
I was in a strange place in the world. I
was homeless, penniless, and with no real ambition to pull
myself out of the gutter. Although I was without the

(01:17:14):
basic necessities of food and shelter, I had a steady
supply of drugs that were dispensed I suppose out of
sympathy by my many of friends. I went to sleep
hungry and cold every night, but never sober. One evening,
before I left a party to hit the streets to
find a broom, closet or starewell to lay my head,
A guy I barely knew gave me a freezer bag

(01:17:37):
full of brown, spiky pods. What are these Gypsian weed?

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
The hige will make you trip.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Maybe you could sell them. I don't want them. He
told me to split the pod open and eat half
the seeds if I really wanted a trip. Hard to me,
that meant eat the whole pod. Since I always found
recommended doses to be unsatisfying, I chose not to dose

(01:18:05):
that night, since I was already tired and afraid I
might fall asleep before the trip kicked in. I slipped
in a building and gutted by a fire a few
years before, and the freezing November air woke me up
just before dawn. I got up and walked into town
to raise my body temperature and avoid hypothermia, which was
my daily morning ritual. Obviously, five am in the small

(01:18:28):
city offers very little in terms of recreation, so I
decided it was the right time to open a door
of perception and begin my day with a psychedelic breakfast.
I chose the largest pod in the bag, which was
also the darkest in color. I was told afterwards the
most potent seeds are the deepest brown. The seeds were

(01:18:50):
terribly bitter, and many of the shells got stuck in
my teeth. I managed to finish the entire pod with
a little help from a public water fountain. I watched
a beautiful sun from the roof of an apartment building,
constantly waiting for the effects of the gempsen weed to
take effect. I can't say how long I sat until
the seeds started working, but the first noticeable signs came

(01:19:11):
in the form of extreme thirst and general physical discomfort.
Finding the feelings of seeming dehydration too strong to ignore,
I went to a nearby McDonald's for a free ice water,
and it must have been after nine because the only
people in the restaurant were old guys getting free refills
on cedar citizen discounted coffee. I sat in a booth
to the back corner, sipping water through a cracked straw,

(01:19:34):
watching the thirsty elderly redneck parade. It didn't take long
for me to realize I was entering into a very
hallucinogenic trip. In fact, I hadn't eaten a real meal
in a week, and I was sleep deprived, probably added
to the drugs intensity, but I can't imagine a big
dinner and a full eight hours would have done much
of a difference on this one. Unlike the onset of

(01:19:57):
E or an acid trip, my mental state was very comfortable,
but my physical condition was very unhealthy. The heavy sense
of ineberation was quickly followed by powerful, disorienting visuals. Though
they weren't disturbing, they seemed as clear as sunlight. Black
cats milled about the floor in front of me, so

(01:20:17):
numerous I couldn't even see the tile. They appeared wet
and angry. There was a deep crimson blood dripping from
the ceiling. Everything was technicolor. The sense of detachment was strong,
but it didn't feel strange. Each hallucination flowed into the next.
I was holding a very old bible in my lap.

(01:20:37):
I couldn't figure out how to open it. Soon it
started to leak blood too. The more I struggled, the
more it bled. As soon as I realized my efforts
were futile. The book materialized into the air around me.
It didn't seem strange to me. When I analyzed the
room again, it was bustling a futuristic metropolis. It appeared
very large and very alien, with shining chrome and flashing lights.

(01:20:59):
Every day where I begin to feel discomfort and the
strong urge to urinate simultaneously, I staggered into the bathroom
and vomited in the closest urinal, right in front of
an Amish man. Now I live in south central Pennsylvania,
so it's very possible that he was really there. But
considering my state and other people's accounts of deterrendis visuals,
I suspect he was a hallucination. I do know that

(01:21:22):
I relieved myself somewhere in the bathroom and left through
the side eggsit adjacent to the lavoratory door. The street
outside was a scene of World War iiO ravaged Europe.
I don't know which country, but everyone on the street
was garbed in Nazi military uniform. I felt very threatened.
I ran into the alley behind the parking lot and
hid behind the pine tree. Maybe it was Germany, just

(01:21:45):
a thought. The anxiety soon ebbed, but the thirst and
the need to urinate returned. I'd see a problem solving itself.
I knew I needed a comfort zone, a place I
could relax. A friend lived nearby. I walked into his
apartment complex and stood in front of the stairwell. The

(01:22:06):
same crimson blood from the McDonald's was cascading down the steps.
It began to rise over my shoes, up my legs.
A heavy sense of vertico came over me. There's a
memory gap between the stairs and my friend's apartment. I
ended up on his couch watching dolphins dive through the
wall in a seamless loop. During my time there, I
experienced a typical non existent cigarette search and the disappearing

(01:22:28):
person puzzle. I visited the bathroom many times, but it
eliminated very little. The sense of dehydration was unbearable. There
was no comfort. I did recognize the people in the room.
I asked the people closer to me where Bill was.
Bill was not here, That's what they all said back
to me. I closed my eyes to escape the growing

(01:22:49):
sense of panic. But when my eyelids shut, all I
saw was a new room with new people. Where was I?
I tried to reopen my eyes, but I only revealed
another room with yet more strangers.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
This went on and on.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
I don't know if my eyes were open or shut.
I don't know where I was, what time it was for,
what was happening, What panic turned into sensory collapse? Everything
bled together and I felt a deep, spiraling sensation engulfed me.
I lost all visual capabilities, but I still had a
very real sense of touch. I was trapped in a
small metal box. It made perfect sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I was dead.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
This was hell. There were no demons, no hell fire,
no brimstone, just a deep, complete feeling of darkness and hopelessness.
There was a never ending void, not at all how
I imagined it, but worse than I thought it could
have been. I had feelings of infinite emotion, on acid trips,
and sensations of universal truth and k holes. But this

(01:23:49):
was the most profound reality I had ever experienced. My
whole existence was put into perspective, and I was being
punished for wasting the gift of life. Out at some
point in the box and I woke up in my
friend's apartment the next day. He said I was out
for about eight hours. Physical effects were off about a
day later, but the psychological impression has yet to fade.

(01:24:12):
Datura is boundless dead, Tura is powerful beyond words. Datura
is poison.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
All right, that's horrifyingly fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
I think we should try it. It sounds like fun.

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