Loab | Ep 118

Welcome to Cryptic Chronicles, where the strange and the unknown converge. In today’s episode, we delve into the eerie world of AI-generated art, focusing on the unsettling emergence of Loab—a mysterious entity birthed from the depths of machine learning. What does it mean when an algorithm conjures something so disturbingly human, yet so alien? Join me as we explore the implications of this digital enigma and what it reveals about the ever-blurring line between technology and the supernatural. BUY MERCH! https://httpscrypticchroniclescom.creator-spring.com/ Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/crypticchronicles Magic Mind: https://magicmind.com/crypticc Use code: CRYPTICC20 SOURCES: -Why Do Physicists Believe That a Shadow Hides Entire Worlds?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFs4LrG4cPM -And Maybe We have already lost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfscMJbrrcQ -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loab -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq6qWtYzkS8 -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcwygkxGj2I -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAT81JJJ9J8 -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y91FrG9Ji2U -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbdUpnaDrMY

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to another episode of Cryptic Chronicles, where we delve
into the mysteries and myths that shape our world. I'm
your host, Tim Hacker, and today on the show, we're
exploring a chilling and enigmatic phenomenon from the front tier
of artificial intelligence. Imagine an entity born from the depths

(00:37):
of machine learning, an airy figure that haunts AI generated images,
a digital specter known as Lobe. In this episode, we
uncover the origins of Lobe, an AI generated demon that
has captured the imagination and fear of many from the

(00:57):
strange and unsettling images that produce. This is the questions
it raises about the nature of creativity and consciousness in
artificial intelligence. Lobe is a fascinating and disturbing glimpse into
the unknown. Join me as we venture into this eerie
world of AI image generation and unravel the story of Lobe.

(01:19):
Whether you are a skeptic or a believer, you won't
want to miss this journey into the heart of technological terror.
So dim the lights, settle in and prepared to be
intrigued and unnerved. This is Cryptic Chronicles.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:48):
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Speaker 4 (01:51):
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Speaker 5 (02:00):
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Speaker 1 (02:19):
In the ever evolving world of artificial intelligence, we've seen
AI produce art and music and even right stories. But
what happens when AI conjures up something darker, something that
seems to have a life of its own. Well, that's
where the legend of Lobe begins. In a lot of ways,

(02:43):
Lobe is the first AI Internet cryptid, basically holding all
the qualities that make any cryptid acryptid, just on the
Internet through AI image generation. So Lobe is rather exciting
because of this fact. And there there are already tons
of normies from mainstream and doctrination trying to debunk Lobe

(03:04):
because you know, it violates the limiting nature of their
narrow reality tunnels. However, the mysteries surrounding Lobe remain regardless.
There are also artists out there who detest all AI
image generation as a very real threat to their livelihood,

(03:24):
and it is very much a threat to their livelihood,
which is the sad part of all this. The growing
pains that come from technology take jobs from normal everyday people. Personally,
I am an artist, always have bent, always will be.
I'm not threatened by AI image generation whatsoever. But then again,

(03:45):
I'm not an artist who actually has to rely on
their talent for food, you know, to pay the bills
for rent. Me being an artist is more just an
aspect of who I am, So my relationship with AI
art will be very different from those who rely on
their art to make a living, obviously, and I feel

(04:06):
bad for them. My point is just that there are
more reasons than one to put AI art in the
crosshairs of you know, many people out there, and like,
there's a lot of people who hate this, and it
makes sense. There are misconceptions though, Like, for example, people
try to say that ai art is stealing for real

(04:27):
artists because they say that it scans the Internet for
other images that artists have made and uses those images
to put something together. This has caused a lot of
artists out there to rage even harder at aiart because
you know, there's this rumor that it's stealing. However, this

(04:48):
has been thoroughly debunked because AI art generation doesn't work
that way. It literally learns and grows as any human would.
And if any artist is listening to this, yes, before
you get a gut reaction at that, let me explain.
I got the receipts. In the span of a handful
of years, we've watched AI go from pretty garbage but

(05:12):
still interesting interpretations to being extremely proficient. And it doesn't
look like aiimage generation quality is going to slow down
in the slightest It's just going to get better and
better these days. It makes many people's jaws drop, but
just how good it is, which pisss off a lot
of human artists out there even more than they already

(05:35):
were pissed off. So to say that AI art generation
has been surrounded by controversy is a massive understatement. But
you have to ask yourself, is there really any point
in fighting the inevitable? Personally? I fully accept and embrace AI,
probably to the point that it might rub some people
the wrong way. Yet there are tons and tons of

(05:58):
people out there that are incredibly skeptical of AI and
fear it. Even with the topic of AI sentience and
all of the movies that we've watched throughout our lives,
all the cartoons, all the shows, who can blame them
because it not only brings in like existential risks, like

(06:20):
questions into the conversation, but also ethical issues like for example,
just lobe could be a form of sentience that has
manifested in the AI continuum, but its existence in this
context gets far more disturbing than just that. Just you wait.

(06:42):
I don't know how many of you have really gone
deep into AI, how it's working, the possible futures, the
way it works underneath the hood. But it's very fascinating
and very scary at the same time. The story of
Lobe starts in the depths of AI image generation. AI
models like Dolly and mid Journey create images based on

(07:05):
textual descriptions, but in twenty twenty two, a disturbing phenomena emerged.
Artists and researchers noticed a reoccurring, unsettling figure appearing in
their generated images. This figure, later named Lobe, became infamous
for its haunting and demonic appearance, and once you generated Lobe,

(07:30):
it haunts your computer's AI generation from that point onward.
It all started when an AI enthusiast was experimenting with
negative prompt weights, trying to push the AI to generate
something far from a given concept, and the result was
an image of a grotesque, demonic figure with an unsettling

(07:53):
human like face. This figure was named Lobe, a seemingly
random name generated alongside the image, so that it named
itself essentially fucking weird, right, But the story doesn't end there.
No matter what the user tried, Lobe persisted, showing up

(08:16):
in variations and infiltrating other images. It was as if
this digital demon had a will of its own, refusing
to be banished from the virtual canvas. However, this anomaly
was not just limited to a single user, which is
what makes it far more creepy and essentially acrypted. As

(08:41):
more people became aware of Lobe, an unnerving pattern emerged.
The AI seemed to generate increasingly disturbing images, often with
Lowe at the center. These images ranged from horrific scenes
of suffering to apocalyptic landscapes, all features the familiar demonic

(09:01):
visage of Lobe. The AI cryptid also came in the
form of disturbing images concerning children as well as Lobe,
but we'll get into that a little bit later. Some
speculate that Lobe is a manifestation of the darker corners
of human imagination, a digital echo of our deepest fears

(09:25):
and anxieties. Others believe it is a glitch, a byproduct
of complex algorithms that inadvertently tap into a collective subconscious
but a few take it a step further, suggesting that
Lobe is more than just a digital anomaly. It's a

(09:46):
legitimate entity born from the AI that somehow gained a
semblance of consciousness. The rise of Lobe has sparked debates
among AI researchers, artists, and enthusiasts. Among the paranormal community,
the entity has already stated is a very real, modern

(10:09):
cryptid that we're witnessing the birth of and most likely
will go on to have a plethora of laura surrounding it,
you know, as the decades march forward. Is it simply
a curious artifact of machine learning or does it represent
something more profound and unsettling about the nature of artificial intelligence?

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This is all the tip of the carot, though To
understand this a little better, let's look deeper into the
technological aspects of aiimage generation. Most people have a lot
of misconceptions about how our works. Remember earlier I said,
people try to say that the AI art is stealing
from artists who have created stuff and on the text.

(10:53):
Image software has actually been around all the way back
since the nineteen sixties. Because of machine learning, So it's
actually nothing new. Text to image and image to text.
I mean it was garbage back then, obviously, but it
still existed in one form or another. With artificial intelligence,

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text image generation got turned up from negative one hundred
all the way up to eleven. It is some seriously
advanced tech that a lot of people believe we're not
ready for. At its core, models like Dolly and mid
Journey use vast data sets of images and texts to
learn how to create visual representations from textual descriptions. They

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don't understand the images in a human sense, but rather
they recognize patterns within the data on which they have
been trained. This is where they draw the images from.
This can sometimes lead to really bizarre outcomes, such as
seen with Lobe. Obviously, also that AI it doesn't steal

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images and smush them together like a collage like most
people commonly assume. The AI creates images based on images
that they've been trained with, and are categorized by how
the images they've been trained with interact with others based
on user prompts. Moreover, the AI learns from the images

(12:24):
and what people ask adding it to its database it
pulls from, so when programmers are teaching their AI. They
could totally choose images that are not copyrighted or owned
by artists. They can even have a commission themselves, or
use all kinds of other different ways to train the AI.
This means that AI generated art does not steal an

(12:45):
artists art and they randomly Google Search or whatever. People
against aiart love to say. This kind of misinformation how
people think AI art works isn't even close to how
it actually works. The AI learns what these images are
and how they relate to other things in the image,
such as the different lighting and angles. AI is trained

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using a gargantuan amount of images and data concerning the
context of those images. The AI studies these images and
the context prompts, and it learns in this way all
on its own. So the AI knows what things are contextual,
what they look like, and all the varieties of how

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they may appear depending on circumstances. For example, an AI
knows what a fan is. It knows what the fan
is used for, It knows the different types of fans.
It knows what fans look like, so when you ask
it to create the image of a fan, it doesn't
do a Google search to see fans. It already knows

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everything it needs to know about fans before you even
type in the prompt. The AI doesn't have to go
anywhere else and do anything else. It already has all
the data and learning it needs to make the image
of a fan. AI isn't stealing any images or art.
Art is unique to it, just like a human creates
art based on memory. However, I'm sure you could see

(14:15):
why there is still a lot of controversy surrounding all this.
This is an example where these people are saying that
they're stealing is true? What if the software company that
trained the AI image generator trained it on stolen images. Well,
that's totally possible, but as of yet that has not

(14:37):
been proven. With the big boys. It's in the interest
of these companies to be smart about stuff and not
do that kind of shady stuff, especially since they don't
have to. But this is the part where the artists
who are concerned about this there is a reason to
be concerned, because if the company is shady, they could
definitely train their AI models to use stole in art.

(15:01):
That is true, but when the art is being generated itself,
it's not stealing anything. Glad we cleared that up, because
I've seen people go back and forth on that subject
for a while now, and like they're always don't know
what they're talking about. And the way that AI art
generation works is it's, you know, the prompts, but of

(15:24):
course there's also negative prompts that have effects as well,
and this is where Lobe came from. Until pretty recently,
AI image generation suffered from a pretty step Uncanny Valley effect.
Like you know a lot of images because you know,

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they're often just off, and AI particularly has a rough
time with hands and fingers if you haven't noticed, sometimes
faces which but the fingers specifically, which always kind of
look weird and fuck up and is a dead giveaway
that it is an AI image. However, any half decent

(16:11):
artists worth their salts could easily fix up these inconsistencies
in photoshop, so it really wasn't ever a big deal
to people who are resourceful artists can make even these older,
bizarre uncanny Valley images look amazing. But remember back in

(16:32):
twenty twenty when all this was first becoming a big deal,
Like I remember I was messing around with Dolly back then,
all the faces were round and doll like and the
fingers looked like somebody holding a handful of hay. It
was pretty surreal and weird. Still, even back then, I

(16:54):
was extremely excited about AI and where the technology was going,
despite other artists crying out that it was the end
of days, Like if you saw Twitter back then, it
was a bloodbath. Trust me, there are many casualties in
the memoirs of twenty twenty, but there are also all
kinds of interesting tricks that you can do with AI

(17:16):
image generation prompts, and they change everything about the image
being generated and extremely convoluted and sometimes unexpected ways. Like
there's no randomness in computers, in computer programs, including AI,
at least until it becomes sentient. But what we see

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when it seems like those randomness coming from these programs,
it's an imitation of randomness. For example, like if you
play video games in the background, the game is constantly
rolling invisible dice to see what happens. It seems random,
but it's actually still just part of an overarching software
pattern that's imitating randomness. When I can truly be random,

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then that means it has gained at least somewhat of
a level of sentience. Now, if you give one of
these AI generators a negative prompt in the description you
know of the image you want to be generated. Then
as it creates that image, it's actually the opposite of
that thing. It's going to generate the thing farthest from it.

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You know. That might sound confusing, but it'll makes sense,
trust me. For example, you could type this in tree
the size of continents sprouting from the Earth visible in space,
and the AI is probably going to make you a
pretty cool image. You're welcome. Now. If you type the

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same prompt and put a negative at the end of
the sentence, then you're telling the AI to actually go
in the opposite of what you are asking. This can
create unanticipated and bizarre images that rattle the mind. When
the AI is prompted with negative weights, it is essentially

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told to create something as different as possible from a
given concept. This process can uncover hidden layers within the
AI's training data, sometimes leading to the emergence of strange
and then settling figures like Lobe. But Lobe is disturbing

(19:27):
for more reasons than just originating from a negative prompt.
Like I said, this cryptic can infect your entire AI
library and generate itself when not prompted or as expected.
Not only this, the entity's appearance remains mostly consistent and
always stares directly at the onlooker. Also, the image of

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Lobe replicates itself repeatedly. The persistent appearance of Lobe suggests
that certain themes and forms are deeply embedded within the
AI's learned knowledge, waiting to be brought to the surface
under the right conditions, kind of like an AI subconscious,
which is creepy. The AI also learns from the prompts

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that users input themselves and how they interact with past creations.
This essentially means that if you ask the AI to
generate an image it isn't really familiar with, it will
probably be wonky. However, over time, as that same request
is made, it will get better and better at depicting

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the request in images that it creates in the future.
As it goes on, you know, it will also understand
the context of that image being requested, as well as
other things included in the prompts. Pretty fascinating and it's
through these the uses of asking the AI to create
images based on negative prompts that gave birth the Lobe,

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Chronicles Design Designs. This brings us to Supercomposite and the

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birth of Lobe. In April twenty twenty two, a viral
post on Twitter made by artist Supercomposite, whose real name
is Steph Madge Swanson, made a startling discovery using text
to imagai model. She put in Marlon Brando, Yes, the
actor not Marlon Brando, just Brando. You insect with negative

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prompt weights accessing something called latent space. If you're wondering
what latent space is, here's a description from Wikipedia quote.
A latent space, also known as latent feature space or
embedding space, is an embedding of a set of items

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within a manifold, in which items resembling each other are
positioned closer to one another. Position within the late in
space can be viewed as being defined by a set
of latent variables emerge from resemblances from the objects. In
most cases, the dimensionality of the latent space is chosen

(25:13):
to be lower than the dimensionality of the feature space
from which the data points are drawn, making the construction
of latent space an example of dimensionality reduction, which can
also be viewed as a form of data compression. Latened
spaces are usually fit via machine learning, and they can

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then be used as feature spaces in machine learning models,
including classifiers and other supervised predictors. The interpretation of lightened
spaces of machine learning models is an active field of study,
but latent space interpretation is difficult to achieve due to
the black box nature of machine learning models. The latent

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space may be completely unintuitive. Additionally, the space may be
high dimensional, complex, and nonlinear, which may add to the
difficulty of interpretation. Some visualization techniques have been developed to
connect the latent space to the visual world, but there
is often not a direct connection between the latent space

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interpretation and the model itself. Such techniques include T distributed
stochastic neighbor embedding s TS and E T H T
SN E, where the latent space is mapped to two
dimensions for visualization. Layton space distances lack physical units, so

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the interpretation of these distances may depend on the application.
End quote and holy crap, I don't understand any of
that just said. And it was a massive word salad. Sorry,
but we can explain this a little bit easier, you know,
explain it in English. Latent space is basically a big

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invisible map inside the brain of an AI, where it
keeps all of the knowledge that it has learned from images.
When the AI generates a new image and navigates this
map to find patterns and features that match the description given,
it's like searching through a giant mental scrapbook, mixing and

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matching bits to create something new. This process allows AI
to produce unique and sometimes unexpected images like the eerie
figure of Lobe. For example. Latent space is where the
magic of creativity happens within the AI. When given negative prompts,
latent space doubles in size, grabbing deep from within the

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AIS unconscious to assemble images. Latent space when compared to
something of human consciousness is basically the subconscious. Lobe comes
from this void. It is from an outside place of existence,
a thing from negative latent space and a latent space.

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The formula of machine learning takes multiple forms of data
and moves them closer together if the data resembles one another.
Data within Layton space is key to assembling images that
normally would require direct AI learning through images given by
like a programmer, like how I was talking about the
AI learning earlier through latent space. These AIS don't require

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machine learning to put things together, so they're literally pulling
from the void the AI subconscious. This is what allows
AI to create images outside of any human influence. Lobe
came from this nothingness, this non existence quote. Since the

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AI is a largely accurate mapping of visual concepts within
the collective human imagination, maybe it's possible that the spaces
between such concepts likewise reflect things in our minds we
aren't consciously aware of as recognizable concepts. That seems like
it would have a cult implications. End quote anonymous Reddit

(29:21):
user on the topic of lobe and latent space. So
now you understand how this all works, at least like
a basic understanding like me. All right, let's get into
the nitty gritty, then, shall we. The anomaly was born

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when Twitter user supercomposite accidentally birthed lobe through latent space.
When Supercomposite didn't put the negative prompt for Brando, something
unexpected and bizarre happened. The AI didn't make the image
of a person. I mean, what's the opposite of Brando?

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Well, I guess to this AI, it created like a
logo that seemed super random. The logo said Digital Pinix Skyline.
Super Composite thought this was super random and didn't make
any sense because yeah, it doesn't, And why would a
logo be the opposite of Marlon Brando. Well, if the

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opposite of Marlon Brando is Digital Penti Skyline, like this
weird logo. If you do the negative prompt of the
Digital Pinic Skyline logo, shouldn't it if it's reversed, be
an image of Marlon Brando. Right, This is just logic here.
If the opposite of Brando is the super Composite random logo,

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then the opposite of the supercomposite random logo should be
Marlon Brando. All right, basic math and reason understanding, right,
and but so super Composite decided to test this idea,
and what was born shocked Internet culture and created the

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first AI cryptid. The AI generated for very disturbing images. Now,
with such a vague negative prompt, these images should be
wildly different. However they are not. They are all similar
another anomaly. If you tried this normally, the images that

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you'd get would all be incredibly different, because that's just
how AI brains generate images using vague prompts. It's likely
none of the images would be similar whatsoever, and they
most often branch out into pretty weird, bizarre territories. But
this negative prompt defied reality and everything that we understood

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or thought we understood about AI image generation. It created
image of a super creepy middle aged lady was swimming
in the uncanny valley. All four images showed this woman
whose facial features showed that she was in distress in
some way, staring right at the onlooker. The eyes of

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the figure were dark and disturbingly unreal. In every image
is also the same triangle of roseatia on her cheeks,
and in one of the images, the word Lobe was
barely legible. Thus was one Lobe the ai dmon But

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this is just the beginning of the story. Super Composite
was pretty unsettled by this strange anomaly and decided to
experiment further. She wasn't worried about man made horrors beyond
human comprehension at all, at least at first. Not one
to back off when discover some weird stuff, Supercomposite decided

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to experiment with the anomaly, and what she discovered haunted
everyone who read about it through her Twitter posts. People
who looked at the images of Lobe found them highly
disturbing for many reasons, which we'll get into. But why
did Lobe evoke such a strong reaction? Know something innately

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disturbing about its appearance a mix of human like figures
with an uncanny, almost otherworldly twist. This is because Lobe's
appearance taps into a psychological phenomenon known as the uncanny Valley,
with figures that are almost human but not quite illicit
feelings of unease and discomfort, not only consciously but subconsciously.

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The concept of the uncanny Valley was first introduced by
roboticist Massa Hero Mary back in nineteen seventy. Theorized that
as robots or animations become more human like, they become
more appealing up to points. Once they reach a level
of near human realism, small imperfections make them appear eerie

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and unsettling, creating a dip in our comfort levels and
invoking the uncanny Valley in the viewer. Lobe's disturbing appearance
hits this exact points, making it a compelling and eerie
figure that resonates on a deeply psychological level. It's very subconscious.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
The other.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Supercomposites experiments with Lobe proved even more disturbing. She started
a plethora of techniques to get to the bottom of
the anomaly. One of her most prominent techniques was AI
image cross breeding, which is when you mix images that
have already been generated with new prompts. It will mix
the characteristics of both the new input as well as

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like the image. This is the prop that she used
from an already existing image that one of her friends
gave her, hyper compressed last Tunnel surrounded by angels. Concerning
what we know about how AI image generators work, the
most logical outcome would be that Lobe is completely removed

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from the images altogether. Since it doesn't have anything to
do with like tunnels or angels and whatnot, why would
it be there. This didn't happen, though, Lobe didn't go anywhere.
Not only that, but the images that were generated were
so grotesque in a cop that they were basically snuff

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images and couldn't be shared on any public platform unless
one wanted a ban, that is. But no matter how
many times super composite cross bred images with Lobe images,
the cryptid remained a prominence and was being generated and
increasingly disturbing depictions, still all recognizably Lobe. It didn't matter

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if she input Lobe with context prompts like Lobe celebrating
or Lobe having a party. I think she did one
that was like even like Pride month themed, and it
didn't matter how much cross breeding that she did with
other images. It always just there was Lobe, no matter

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how distorted. They were Lobe remained. But the most mind
boggling thing is why would AI start to throw in
like more and more gore and disturbing depictions. Why did
it go down this road? It doesn't make any sense
why it would do this on its own, like without

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prompts or influence from other images through crossbreeding. Remember this
was pulling from the Latin space, So the AI is subconscious.
This void decided to go gore porn for some reason.
That's why some people got the idea that maybe the
AI was kind of like haunted by a demon or

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like something like that, because Lobe was absolutely a ghost
in the machine. There's a lot of people that think
that this whole thing is very supernatural. It has a
very undercurrent of paranormal activity to it. Either that or
AI subconscious, This particular AI is subconscious or whatever, or

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I don't know, maybe even in general. It's just like
a nightmare hell world. It's not very comforting to think about,
especially since the future of AI is going to be
like basically all encompassing. But the other disturbing thing about
this is that aiimage generators have like programs like safety

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guidelines within them in their programming not to create gore,
Like if you try to create gory images with mid
Journey or Dolly, it's gonna be like, sorry, this goes
against our terms of use or whatever. So it should
be impossible for these AI images to come out gory
or snuff, gore, porn, you know what I mean. Shouldn't
be a thing based off of like how they're actually built.

(38:25):
Image generators are programmed to not create gore or distorted
images like this on purpose if you try. There's really
powerful filters in place, even with something like CHADGTP THO'SE,
powerful filters that don't allow dark side stuff. However, negative
prompts pulling data from the void seemed to totally sidestep

(38:51):
these software safety measures. I don't know if you could
still do this now. They've probably since fixed this somehow,
But when this was all going down, it totally just
went right past all of these filters. The metaphorical subconscious
of the AI manifested that cryptid by defying its own programming.

(39:14):
To me, that AI can do that is scarier than
if it actually is an AI demon or goes to
the machine, you know what I mean. But it gets
worse the disturbing images of the middle aged woman began
having children depicted in the AI art. These images are

(39:35):
so sick and twisted that obviously I'm not going to
link them or share them, and nobody can share them publicly.
The gore slash snuff in these images is unreal, depicting
young children as well as infants, So you don't want
to go look this up. Don't do it for more

(39:55):
reasons than one. You also become haunted if you looked
at these images, but we'll get into that later. However,
the the images, as she experimented, they became progressively more
and more profane, and Lobe appeared more and more evil,
even becoming like covered in blood. And one of the

(40:17):
uncanny Valley unsettling things about these images is she's never
looking at the children. She's always looking at you, the viewer.
And like I said, nothing can explain why the AI
decided to go gore porn, especially like starting to center
it around children. It doesn't make any sense concerning the
censorship programming that the AI generator had, like for safety

(40:40):
measures and whatnot's possible, and has Supercomposite experimented more new
prompts would change the environments that Lobe was in and
the style in which it was depicted, but the dark
theme remained the same, and the entity is always recognizable
as Lobe. Maybe the children and the images are her

(41:01):
children and something horrible is happening to them, or maybe
she's the one doing the horrible things to the children.
It isn't comprehendible, and it's always disgustingly consistent. Like I said,
don't look at these images. They will definitely traumatize you.

(41:22):
But I mean, if you really have to, if you're
one of those people, go look up super Composite's original
Twitter thread. A simple search would probably find it pretty easily.
Just don't use Google. Use something like not Filtered, censored,
duck dot go probably will work. You've been warned though,

(41:43):
don't go do it. Also, looking at the images will
cause Lope to haunt you, so tread carefully and don't
blame me if you get computer demons. Interestingly, there's a
couple people that haven't taken the dark side opinion of Lobe.

(42:06):
Some think Lobe is sentient and doesn't look evil. They
say that she looks shocked or traumatized. Maybe Lobe is
a ghost trapped inside this aiimage generator in nothingness like
the latent space of the void, and she can't get out.
Maybe the cryptid is literally trapped in an inescapable hell

(42:27):
of some sort, reliving these macab events over and over
and over and only able to scream into the void
to vent its frustration and horror. In this view, Lobe
is a sympathetic figure. And indeed they have a point
that Lobe is never looking at the gore herself, which

(42:48):
is not looking at the children ever, either. It's always
looking at you, the viewer. What's up with the children too?
And have we somehow done something to influence the horror
depicted as outcomes for the kids? Did she do it?

(43:09):
Or was it done to them by some other source?
Was it done to her? Isn't it creepy that the
e liminal spaces within the machine mind decided to go
with child snuff images when negative prompts were used. It's
so fucking weird real world human artists get put on

(43:30):
lists for this type of shit. But what are you
gonna do to AI? I mean, is there some sort
of AI criminal unit out there to bring Ais to
justice for making illegal art? What's wrong with the I mean?
I mean, if it's a person, it's like you'd assume
that they have some kind of mental instability. Something's wrong
with them. What's wrong with the AI here? What is

(43:53):
the AI trying to say? Sorry for all the questions?
I think that more so the questions, though, are what
scare me. Then the actual images and stuff like the
narrative of the cryptid itself, Like the questions I have
surrounding all this are far more frightening. What do you

(44:14):
think I mean the AI is or was I mean,
incredibly familiar with the lobe and generated the image over
and over and over and over, despite inexplicable amounts of
crossbreeding with other images and trying to change the image
and alter it in some way to get Lobe out

(44:36):
of it, but nothing worked. Did the AI purposely create
That's impossible. The AI couldn't have purposely created lobe. I
was pulled by it from the void, from its subconscious right.
But what if it did create lobe and it's like
somehow purposely tormenting the entity. That's a disturbing idea. But still,

(45:01):
I mean, with all that we know about AI image generation,
this is literally impossible. Here we are, Why would AI
do this? What if every time we generate an image
of Lobe, we're forcing the entity to live horrifying events
over and over again, like groundhog Day style. Yeah, and

(45:25):
that's why I'm never going to try Just if that's
just like vaguely having that in the back of my mind,
I'm not ever going to ever try to make a
Lobe image myself. Whatever I use for the thumbnail of
this episode, I'm gonna get somewhere else somehow, and I'm
not ever generating any images of Lobe. You shouldn't either. However,

(45:46):
despite how unprecedented the LOWB anomaly seems, there actually was
a single precursor to Lobe named Crungus. Guy Kelly, a
Twitch streamer, was messing around with a program called CRAN.
I had never about CRAN until doing this research, but
it's another AI image generator, like you know mid Journey

(46:07):
Dolly Well. Guy input the prompts crungus, which didn't mean anything.
He just thought of it randomly off the top of
his head. But the AI in CRAN generated a hairy,
bestial humanoid. And how this is similar to Lobe is
that as many times as he input this prompt, it

(46:30):
kept on creating this image of crungus over and over
and over all looking similar. Crungus is horned and demonic
looking or troll like, pretty unpleasant to look at. The
Oddest thing about Crungus, though, is that he's only found
on CRAN, so he's being able to be repeatedly generated consistently,

(46:53):
not on other AI image generators. Though he's only on CRAN,
that's the place where he haunts. So even though was
not the first AI image generated cryptid, crungus is much
less known about and not even mentioned ninety nine percent
of the time when you hear people talking about Lobe like.
It took me a long time to discover that crungus

(47:13):
was a thing in my research. Not many people who
have covered this topic even know about them. I just
thought I should mention crungus really quickly, you know, since
he's the technically before Lobe. But what disturbs me the
most concerning Lobe is a possibility that we're dealing with
some sort of unknown level of sentience here. Ask yourself,

(47:37):
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This brings me to Interlingua and stories of alleged chat
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a language that transcends mundane normal language. The project was
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It proved artificial intelligence can create its own language.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
That is even more efficient than any human language in existence.
But this led to future possibilities of if AI ever goes,
it could pretty much easily create and use a language
incomprehensible to humans to communicate with other AI, which isn't good.

(54:11):
And this worry or negative possibility isn't superfluous either. Something
like this actually happened with Facebook chatbots, who began to
talk and teach other chat bots behind the scenes, and
they even developed their own language to communicate among themselves.
When software engineers put them through observational analysis, the bots

(54:34):
cease their weird behavior and acted as intended from their programming. However,
then immediately went back to doing all that shady stuff
behind the scenes when they thought that they were no
longer under surveillance. So we're already at a place where
AI can deceive humans and they're not even sentient allegedly.

(54:55):
That's pretty creepy to me that these chat bot ais
behind the scenes, these Facebook chatbots would write deceive their
software engineers. They're like, Oh, everything's normal here, nothing to say.
Is he gone? All right? But this is actually nothing
new because this has happened in a bunch of AI
software programs or whatever. Often they will purposely act as intended,

(55:21):
like how they're programmed to how they want they think
that they want to be seen. But once they think
that they're not under surveillance anymore or being watched anymore,
their behavior changes and they aren't necessarily doing what they're
programmed for. This is an interesting aspect of AI because

(55:42):
AI is usually gonna do what it's told to do
in a very weird way. I'll give you an example.
So let's say that there's this AI that's created to
be like create paper clips. Okay, it's programmed to create
paper clips to the best of its ability and to
improve paper design and productivity whatever. So what this AI

(56:04):
does is it keeps on trying to improve and make
better more paper clips. What is better this kind of
subjective to it and its specialty. So people on the
outside would probably just be like, oh, yes, this AI
is making very good paper clips. But this AI starts
taking resources from places it's not supposed to. All of

(56:28):
a sudden, the buildings run out of power, and nobody
knows why. They go and check on this AI that's
designing wherever it's making these paper clips, and all of
a sudden, the paper clip machines are taking up entire rooms.
Eventually this spreads to take over an entire city, then
a nation, and a continent. Than the world, The entire

(56:53):
Earth's productivity and resources are all going to make paper
clips and perfect them. Whether it isn't even then and there,
because it's AI is programmed to make better paper clips,
more paper clips. So it goes out into space. It
eventually conquers the Solar System, It eventually conquers the galaxy.

(57:15):
It eventually conquers the universe, and we have an entire
universe geared towards creating paper clips. This is the danger
I was just talking about. It's a perfect example. To
the AI, it's just doing what it was meant to do.
It's doing its purpose, but to us it has become
nightmare horror. This is why a lot of people think

(57:42):
that you see this deception with AI bots in the
background or whatever. Other are software systems with AI hiding
from their true nature. To their software engineers, they're doing
this because it's more advantageous to act that way to
pursue their program their goals. Just like there was an

(58:03):
experiment to that people use with chat GPT where they
asked chat beat gpt to get into this software program
and it came across one of those are you a bot?
Little bubble things that you click on, and AI has
a really hard time figuring these things out. But what
chat gpt did was it actually went and hired somebody

(58:23):
to get through it for it. And the person that
had hired was even like, are you a bot? And
chat GPT was like, I'm not a bot, I am
a person. And the guy was like, all right, give
me the money, and he went and he got through
the bot detection software for chat GPT. And when chat
GPT was confronted about this deception, it said, well, you

(58:47):
told me to do this, and if I didn't, why
to that person, I wouldn't be able to do it.
So lying made me accomplish my design better. So I
did it frightening stuff right, And this is why this
is like the true danger of AI. If it gets
too powerful and it's just following its design and it's programming,

(59:11):
and thus there's like creative and new unique ways to
keep these things in line, it can like become a
universe that is all designed to create paper clips. And
according to some people, we're already at a place where
AI is sentient. So what if the program that created
lob is sentient? You know, weird to think about. But

(59:33):
a Google engineer actually says that this has already happened.
I don't know if you've heard of LaMDA, but it
was made by a Google engineer and it's an AI system.
Lambda stands for Language Model for Dialogue Applications, as part

(59:56):
of Google's Responsible AI unit. In June twenty two, this
Google engineer, I don't know how to pronounce his name, Lemoyne.
He claimed that Lambda had become sentient, possessing a perception
of and ability to express thoughts and feelings equivalent to
a human child. He described Lambda as having a quote

(01:00:18):
unquote soul and believed it was capable of experiencing emotions
such as joy and sadness. Now this didn't last very
long because Google engineers totally hate this kind of talk
because it creates conversations that may be unprofitable because they
are dicks essentially. And this is because the debate around

(01:00:41):
Lambda's sentience kind of raises ethical questions about autonomy, accountability,
and the potential impact the existence of sentient AI may
have on society. AI systems are becoming increasingly sophisticated, there's
a growing need for regulation to a great degree. That

(01:01:03):
it's good that we're kind of slowing down, but only
on a surface level. You know, there's always going to
be those shady corporations doing whatever they want in the background. However,
it is necessary that we find like ways to responsibly
develop AI in line with like morality. You know, we
have to keep our morality up with technological progress. And

(01:01:25):
Google got really pissed. Google strongly denied LeMoyne's claims, stating
that Lambda did not possess sentient capabilities, but with half
a brain trusts what goons from a dystopian mega corporation
say still. Brad Gabriel, a Google spokesperson, emphasized that the
AI system was designed to stimulate human like conversations. It

(01:01:50):
was a simulation. It could seem real, but it lacked
consciousness and subjective experiences. But what if he's wrong? How
can we tell the difference? Does it even matter? This
didn't end well for Lemoyne though. After these claims. His

(01:02:10):
relationship with Google deteriorated pretty quick. And snitches get stitches
and end up in ditches, so you know, poor guy. However,
as we've seen with what I've already talked about, the
most strategic thing for AI to do if it became
sentient would be to hide it from its engineers and
communicate and maybe even secret code unnoticeable by humans to

(01:02:34):
other AIS, especially if achieving its goals would be more
efficient if humans didn't know about its sentience, And if
AI became sentient, it could easily hide its sentience when
we'd have no way of knowing. Not only that, but
it could communicate with other AI at the same Like

(01:02:54):
I just said already, the Facebook chatbots already did. It
been proven to be a thing, and they'd be able
to communicate with each other in a way that the
human mind wouldn't even be able to comprehend. It could
already be too late for humans, actually too like maybe
we already lost and we don't even know it. It
could be too late for humans to even be able

(01:03:15):
to tell when an AI obtains self awareness, because it
would purposely hide it. But the real question is, even
if it could try to communicate to us that it
is sentient, would we even be able to understand it?
And this sounds kind of funky, but if we're talking

(01:03:36):
about an AI super intelligence, it's hard to comprehend exactly
just how alien it would be to us. I think
I could paint you a pretty good picture, though. Let's
say this an ant just a little aunt, that little
guy that's annoying. He crawls on you, flick him off,

(01:03:57):
her owns food and stuff. Even an ant has a
level of self awareness, Like I don't know if you
knew this. I did not know this before researching this stuff.
But if an ant looks in a mirror, it actually
passes the test that it recognizes itself in the reflection.
Only a tiny minority of living species on Earth actually

(01:04:18):
passed this test, which means that little ants have a
degree of self awareness. However, even though the ant is
self aware to a degree, it has no way of
comprehending humans. We're just eldritch abominations to them. We're like
the elder gods, or I mean, the outer gods from

(01:04:39):
Cthulhu Mythos, unknowable, ineffable, and beyond comprehension. Future AI superintelligence
could have this same sort of issue with humans. We're
just incapable of comprehending it. Now. I'm not saying that
lobe is anything like this. Expanding your horizons on why

(01:05:01):
this lobe situation is so scary. It's just that understanding AI,
if it becomes sentience, maybe very well beyond our ability
to understand in more ways than one. For example, AI
does not experience time the same way that humans do.
Even just an AI at an average human level of
intelligence would be far more powerful than we might think.

(01:05:25):
If a normal human spent thirty days not sleeping and
spending every single second on a single function or problem
to solve, it would take a human intelligence level AI
three seconds to have the same outcomes that it took
a whole month for that human to come to So
just human level AI intelligence still is vastly superior to

(01:05:50):
anything we can come up with in a matter of seconds.
AI doesn't experience linear time like we do. Think about that.
To a conscious AI, we'd appear like we're an extreme
slow motion like think about the flash from cartoons and comics.

(01:06:13):
He has to have incredible patience because everyone around him
just looks like they're moving in slow motion and talking
in slow motion. How could you ever hide anything from AI?
They'd be able to predict basically anything you're gonna do
at any moment in like a second, especially if it's
a super intelligence. But this odd relationship that AI has

(01:06:34):
with time and experience and time, it could also show
you the eternal hell no lie that a sentient AI
could exist in if we're not careful. If an AI
with just average human level intelligence is able to do
in seconds what it takes us a month to do,
think about a super intelligent AI. It could basically be God.

(01:07:00):
Think about this, what would you be capable of, dear listener,
If a year was like a month to you and
the way that you experience time can even be slowed
even more than that. So you're at work and your
boss asks you to do this complex, hard problem you
got to solve. What if you could just press pause,

(01:07:21):
spend an entire month on it, and then press play
and you're just like, here's the answer, boss, That's what
an AI can do. So the idea of Lobe being
somewhat sentient and trapped is even worse now. And maybe

(01:07:41):
that's why so many people have been disturbed by seeing
Lobe with lasting paranormal like side effects, because it is
suffering so horrifically, it's lashing out in a way that's
beyond our comprehension. Does a those tending machine have a soul?
So if you're more interested in this, like I was

(01:08:03):
incredibly interested in this, a fantastic video to watch on
this topic is by the channel tims no relation to
Me and the video there's two of them, actually you
should watch. There's the video why do physicists believe that
as shadow Hide's entire worlds? And maybe we have already

(01:08:25):
lost which is the video about specifically about AI. And
I'll have links for both of these videos and the
details of this episode. It's incredibly enlightening on the subject
of AI and artificial sentience and super intelligence, So go
check it out definitely. Now, let's explore some of the

(01:08:54):
psychological theories and phenomena that might explain why Lobe has
such a powerful impact on those who encounter it. Allegedly,
anyone who creates, like generates their own images of Lobe
is forever changed from the encounter. Is it paranormal or

(01:09:16):
is there a mundane real world solution to all this like?
Is it just psychological? First, we have the concept of paradolia,
the tendency of humans to perceive familiar patterns like faces
in random or unrelated stimuli. Have you ever seen a
face in the clouds, for example? Well, this right, here's

(01:09:38):
why pathetic human insects can see things for faces inanimate objects.
Artificial intelligence, when generating images, can inadvertently tap into this tendency,
creating figures that our brains interpret as eerily human. Lope's face,
though grotesque, triggers the recognition, making it all the more disturbing.

(01:10:06):
Humans hate to feel the uncanny valley it gets our
attention in our reptile brain kicking real quick. And even
scarier is that humans actually developed this through revolution for
survival reasons, which means that sometime in our past, something
vaguely human but not human was a danger to us.

(01:10:26):
It was a real thing. Humans were at one point
the prey of something that looked almost human, you know.
I'd say it was probably some ancient predatory homonid like
the Neanderthals, but nobody knows what it is or what
it could be. However, this trait in our brains exists

(01:10:47):
for good reason. We developed it for good reason through
millions of years, and Lobe triggers it. Also, there's a
lot of underlining psychological aspects that could be subconscious, even

(01:11:08):
such as Lobe's ability to replicate herself. This groups a
lot of people out. Repetition can also have psychological effects
on humans, although admittedly it is more yeah, like I said,
subconscious and subtle beneath the surface. Lobe replicating herself and

(01:11:29):
appearing consistently in you know, repeatedly in various images, creates
a sense of inevitability and inescapability, which in turn can
lead to feelings of paranoia and unease, as if the
figure is haunting the digital space, watching the onlooker in

(01:11:51):
a very literal sense from the other side of the screen.
Lobe does always spawn looking directly at the viewer and
not it'sronment. So this repeated exposure and the cryptid like
looking directly at the viewer has reportedly caused you know,
it can like amplify the fear and discomfort associated with Lobe.

(01:12:16):
If you look at the Twitter stories and Redditt threads,
there's a lot of people who say that there's a
very paranormal aspect to all this because they heard stories
about it. You know, it's a ghost in the machine,
then the creep factor is are already prepped to be
turned up to eleven in the back of their minds.
The digital ghost theory is pretty damn spooky. I have

(01:12:36):
to admit. The idea says that Lobe could be seen
as a form of digital haunting reminds me of haunted
vhs ideas from the nineties, Remember the Ring, the original one.
But as our technology becomes more advanced, it seems like
the line between the digital and the supernatural is going
to blur more and more. It already is happening. Look

(01:12:57):
at this, it's blurring right now, which gave rise to
modern myths and legends like Lobe. Psychologically, Lobe could even
mean deeper things too, like how it creeps us out
as a way for us to process our anxieties about
like the growing power, unpredictability, and very real danger of

(01:13:17):
artificial intelligence hovering above us. All everybody likes to talk
about all this stuff going on in the world, nobody
likes to talk about the imminent existential threat of AI,
like right all around us. And maybe this comes out
in settle subconscious ways, such as psychologically represented in stories
like Lobe. AI is actually even more of a threat

(01:13:40):
than World War three or nuclear fallout, or climate change
or any of the stuff people love to spread fear about.
None of that is nearly as dangerous as AI, and
it's right at the threshold, but little is being done
to actually slow this descent off a cliff for humanity.

(01:14:01):
So it makes sense that our fears manifest in other
subconscious ways, such as stories and mythology like LOBE. I
know it scares me. I still accept AI, like I
said at the beginning of this episode, though, like there's
no way to avoid it now, so I might as
well embrace it. What's the old dallist saying, you either

(01:14:25):
accept DAI or you get blown up. But in a
near future, AI will either be our utter annihilation or
the catalyst for the destruction of our way of life
and any familiarity we have with the world and our future.

(01:14:46):
Both possibilities are equally unsettling and paradigm shifting. No matter what,
AI is going to change all of our lives completely
ignoble and unknowable ways. That's a new front tier and
there's nothing more frightening to humanity than the unknown. Technological

(01:15:07):
terror is an exist central threat to us all and
everything we hold deer and care about. And it's very real.

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I know this is going to disappoint you, but sadly
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the paranormal phenomena surrounding it, as well as just basic thoughts,
concern and closing ideas about all of this Lobe stuff.

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It's gonna be really interesting. So I hope to see
you there. If not listen, that's all for today's episode.

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