Secret Government Experiments with Extrasensory Perception | Episode 100 - Cryptic Chronicles

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(00:23):
Welcome to Cryptic chronicles. A show all about
everything mysterious,
unexplained and weird in the world.
Today on the show, we're gonna go into
the Us government's history,
of researching and
experimentation with Esp.
Remote viewing. And psychic powers in general
and has continued for decades all the way

(00:43):
up to the present day.
What are they hiding?
What they put so much taxpayer money in
2.
And what is it about
esoteric powers that has fascinated the Us government
for so long.
Well,
You're gonna find out today Aren't you. So
let's just hop right into it because it
is time to get weird.

(01:05):
I'm your host Tim Hacker and you're listening
to Cryptic Chronicles.
This is this is the way. This is
the way.

(01:26):
These these entities they would

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Most people have yet to learn that the
federal government. Has a long history of investigating
Esoteric phenomena.
The ob
nature of secret government quote, quote, black book
projects has makes deep dives into the topic,
challenging
to say the least,
at least for your everyday person going about
their business.

(02:12):
However,
the truth stat the secretive groups within the
government have had many secret programs,
investigating mental to,
Clair boy.
Pre cognition, and remote viewing.
As with basically everything coming from the government,
surface level rhetoric should never be trusted. We're
taken seriously.

(02:33):
Because I mean, these these programs have been
this discovered repeatedly over and over after they
claimed
they didn't exist.
And when discovered, they've tried to say that
these secret programs are for national dirty in
defense,
but
things are rarely. If ever, what they seem
at face value.

(02:53):
What the ruling class says and what is
rarely coincide.
At least to those who are not naive.
Not necessarily saying that you should be paranoid
just that people who trust the government are
just bad at history.
And an ironically entertaining aspect of these secret
government programs
is that government pawns which humiliate anyone in

(03:16):
the mainstream?
Who was interested in Paris psychology.
But in the background,
they were knee deep in this stuff.
How could it be that the highest branches
of our government military became so interested in
the paranormal?
Well, that's a fascinating tale and I am

(03:36):
here to tell you it.
Over the years, a vast or of un
uncomfortable taxpayer funds has vanished into these secret
programs.
These black budget projects,
researching extra sensory perception.
Psycho,
tele,
remote viewing, and many, many, many, many more
mystical arts and stuff that

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you should never assume any
government people to mess with.
And the origin of all this is fascinating.
It goes back to the not seas and
the end of World war 2
and was a massive boom not only to
our clan government's interest in weird stuff.
But globally in many ways.

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This was the era of the spoon bender.
Psychic soldiers
and a keen paranoia,
fueled by possibilities
by the cold war
with the communist regime of Soviet Union also
conducting their own, paranormal research,
erupting into a full blown psychic arms race.

(04:44):
Hal put off.
Legendary paranormal investigator,
physicist and former program director of the Stanford
Research Institute
It's just 1 of many that have come
forth as whistleblower over the years, concerning the
secret research they conducted on remote viewing for
the Department of the fence.
As well as the Us intelligence agencies like
the Cia.

(05:05):
A lot of the information covered in this
episode actually comes from hal put off.
Despite all legitimate
documentation of the shadowy government experiments on the
paranormal.
If you try and talk about it with
an average everyday person,
living in the matrix.
They almost likely laugh at the idea.
Many are just pre programmed

(05:26):
to
instantly mock and rally against the idea
that these government experiments
are very real
and having been going on for decades.
Moreover,
you should distinguish if you are talking to
a skeptic.
If somebody gives you... If you talk about
this to somebody and they, like, give you
pushback, you should distinguish if you are talking

(05:48):
to a skeptic
or a pseudo skeptic.
And don't get me wrong when I say
this, a skeptic is good. Being a skeptic
is good. It doesn't mean that you are
close minded. It just means that you
are discerning.
Now, the way to tell between a pseudo
skeptic and a skeptic is

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pseudo skepticism
is based on brainwashing
and close minded,
licking kicking one's head in the sand as
an analogy.
It is ind nation, dogma,
and
more of a belief structure similar to religion
than actual opinions.
And how you can spot a pseudo skeptic
is you can show them objective evidence,

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backed up by irr
sources,
and it doesn't matter. A pseudo skeptic won't
even look at the evidence or much less
like,
acknowledge it as legitimate.
Real skeptics are actually pretty smart because you
should be a skeptic about most things. A
lot of people are out there to just

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empirical feed on you,
and there's a sucker born every minute.
The difference is if you show a skeptic
factual evidence,
they will be more into it and actually
change their views.
So it's good to be discerning and then
you learn more and you can accept what's
you know, is earned past a certain level
of proof to you.

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However,
though a a skeptic can change their views,
a pseudo skeptic will not ever change their
views
unless the things that whatever programmed them
tell them too.
With us an abstract way to talk about
it, but I just... I don't know how
to summon it up quickly. I wanna move
on. So
you can also just not talk about it
with Norm.

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But if you're forced to in 1 way
or another, it's pretty much just essential to
dismiss all comments and opinions of pseudo skeptics.
And if you're on social media, this is
like
rule 01:01.
Don't even engage, who cares. Just dismiss them
like how they dismiss anything outside of their
tiny little reality tunnel.
Boom.

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So don't let anyone guess light you on
this topic.
There's actually
there's actually like
tons of legitimate evidence,
suggesting the existence of mystical abilities like Esp,
not only from Fo gathered d documents,
but they're never ending money that's been thrown
in it for decades.

(08:13):
Oh, for, just in case you don't know
what I mean when I say For, it's
a freedom of information act requests, so you
can like actually force
the government,
certain
agencies to give you information even if they
don't want to. It's little... It's the law.
That's Is.
At current, though, despite the evidence that I

(08:35):
mentioned briefly. At current, it seems like it's
still something
beyond our current evolutionary
comprehension.
But only those I look up at the
sky and say, the sky is not blue,
it's purple, hidden and I weird stuff isn't
real after seeing the evidence.
So
I don't think it's really something we can
understand in our current paradigm as a species.

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That's my honest opinion. Something I really don't
say very much on the show.
But
eventually,
as we progress as a race to the
next level of attainment, who knows.
It could be a commonly accepted thing. It's
probably part of our just natural evolutionary
advancement and that's not my bias of being
a huge fan of War 40 k talking.

(09:18):
Just seems like our brains are getting get
bigger if we aren't reduced into, like,
minus us zombie species.
And until then, it can only be quote
quote, proven
subjective through experience.
But belief does not require proof. So...
And you'd be surprised that a lot of

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believers in this type of phenomena have actually
come from the military.
Lots of legends of pre have come out
of wars at the past.
Such as Joe Mc,
who allegedly used his sixth sense to keep
squad inmates out of traps and ambush in
the Vietnam war.
Joe Con was even later taken into some
of these experiments the government was doing,

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specifically,
into the intelligence agency experiments,
on Esp.
Moreover, still many today in the Us military
believe soldiers can and do have a 6
sense
especially soldiers that actually see combat and have
to deal with the life and death trauma
of battle.
Thus, I I think this is kinda...

(10:23):
It's kinda always been a super superstition of
soldiers, I think. So it's really not anything
new in the big picture of things.
However, it's the
the higher brass, like the desk
soldiers,
the
people who don't actually face battle. These are
the ones that are against all that kind
of stuff. But the soldiers on the ground.

(10:45):
Hell, yeah, they believe in this kind of
stuff.
Cut of bla off in Land though.
Let's go to the the beginning of this.
Where did all of this come from?
Like I said,
it starts with the nazis and the end
of world war 2?
Even though it was the Nazis that generated

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the interest,
it was the red scare
that really put fuel on the fire.
Of course, the narrative is that this research
was all about protecting the American people from
the Soviets, but it's also the red scare
that's led to the rise of the military
industrial complex.
Still the bane of all normal Americans to
this day, which began the United States era

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of making war worldwide for profit and power
and not to defend ourselves or our allies.
Not only the Us itself mind you.
But also like interfering in countries around the
world such as the Cia causing tons of
des stabilization, wars, all kinds of messed up
stuff.
So it reminds me of the old saying

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what came first?
The chicken or the egg.
If we get what I mean.
The Clan research into the paranormal may have
been ins by the latter events of World
war 2,
but
it's still goes on all the way to
the present day. Just under different names.
Pseudo skeptics like to say this research ended

(12:09):
in the nineties because it didn't have any
results
which is bullshit.
But that's exactly what the powers that b,
wants you to think.
And they love their little pseudo skeptics.
As I'm sure you know, many Nazis had
more than a mild interest in the occult
and supernatural.
And it is the nazi research into the

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paranormal
that sparked the psychic arms race between the
Us and the Soviets over the next decades.
In 19 45.
The United States launched
operation Als,
which was an intelligence mission to seize documents
concerning German military projects from Berlin before the
Soviets could.

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I'm Rick Ke
organization known as En,
which was very well funded by the third
reich, left behind huge caches of documents that
surprised the operatives.
Because a lot of them concerned,
quote, quote, the occult sciences.
To which I'm sure that you know a
lot of the nazis were deeply invested in.

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Handler
organization left behind a bizarre paper trail about
secret history.
Magical objects, and esoteric powers.
They'd gone all over the world looking for
coal artifacts.
And long lost archeological sites that revealed unknown
knowledge about humanity.
These documents

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revealed nazi research into remote viewing.
Psycho
and myriad other psychic powers.
In the book phenomena,
from what a lot of the information in
this episode originates,
Go check it out to be linked.
Author Annie Jacobs says the following
quote.

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In that
organization, there was Esp.
Psycho,
map do,
an element of what you could say was
the supernatural
or the paranormal.
In the Villas basement,
the researchers found remnants of tu ton symbols
and rights,
as well as a baby skull in a

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corner pit of ashes
We later learned that the Soviets had captured
an equal probe of information on the same
subject.
And when we learned, that they were working
in this area.
You could say this is the Origin story
of the psychic arms race.
Quote,

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Some of these documents of the third reich
even contains information about research, the nazis did
to discover mind control techniques.
And this is what sparked the later Cia
investment in mind control research, which led to
the Covert and Morally bankrupt corrupt Mk Ultra
program.
You've heard of that right.
The Mk Ultra program

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originated from Nazi research.
So it seems like a lot of dark
and mysterious stuff is happening here. Right?
But What exactly turned this discovery of bizarre
Nazi research
into a full blown psychic arms race?
Well, that's because the Us intelligence agency of

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the time,
Cia didn't exist yet.
Discovered that the Soviets also discovered a whole
crap of research the Nazis had on the
paranormal.
And the United States military can the possibility
of the Soviet Union, mastering mine control before
them, to be an existential threat. The communist
regime ran constant reruns a propaganda on television,

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picturing captured Americans,
displaying brain behavior.
So their fear was not. Wholly unjust.
The Soviets were pumping out tons of propaganda
after the end of the war,
including stories of famous world war 2 heroin,
for The,
who was a decorated war hero, and the
Soviet Union's top psychic at the time.

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The narrative was that N has psycho
powers and could stop an animal heart with
only using her mind.
Can you hold on for a sec and
just imagine
this era
of like the Us military
pretty much openly taken this stuff kinda of
dead seriously?

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Like, what a bizarre
time to be alive.
And all of these caches of nazi documents
they found on mind control in brainwashing and
stuff They also found documents concerning human
experimentation.
Like,
Frankenstein,
like
The Japanese also conducted horrific experiments on innocent

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people during world war 2, and the third
reich utilized a lot of their prisoners and
concentration camps for their experiments,
much like the Japanese.
The Nazis pushed human physiology.
And mental capacity to the extreme on these
poor souls,
all the while heavily monitoring their results in
a elaborate
documentation.

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Quote.
Now, the Cia
and the Kgb
would conduct similar experiments.
Each side arguing that the other side's program
required countermeasures measures to defend against them.
While they were looking into mind research and
how to input behavior. The Mk Ultra sub
project 58

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became significant,
which is the program to use drugs, which
they call
psycho pharmacology
to enhance psychic functioning, in psychic people.
It's a real jumping off point for understanding
how and why this race against the Soviets
began and why it's legitimate in many ways.

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And a quote.
But how could the Us possibly justify research
into something as morally dark as mind control.
The Soviet Union and the Us for both
pointing fingers at each other to justify their
evil. The claim from both sides was that
1 had to counter the other.
Not only in mind control, but in mil

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psychic phenomena as well.
And the fear mon of this time was
just crazy. It's just back when they I
used to have like,
you know how at school or maybe at
your job. You have, like, fire escape drills
and practices and stuff like that. Well, this
is the era where they had
nuclear attack drills.

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They would have nuclear attack drills in schools
where the kids would just get under their
desk which wouldn't do anything as in is
ridiculous,
but it was definitely imprint those kids with
some serious fear.
So,
you know, the
cold war was an interesting time to be
alive,
but it was also pre horrifying.

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Just like the psychological aspect of it, being
around all that propaganda and stuff, and just
the constant threat pushed on your throat.
I guess every generation kind of has its
frost to bear,
but still it's
and I bet it sucks.
But,
anyway,
I really need a cup of coffee. Let's

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Despite how silly a lot of the rumors
and Propaganda was at this time.
The disinformation campaigns on the Soviet side as
well as the Us side really heated up.
And
when the full drive,
wish the Us government would get really good
at and our objective masters of it today.
But with each of these rumors and pieces
of propaganda,
slightly based on actual facts, the psychic arms

(25:34):
race, picked up speed big time.
There be many government programs researching psychic phenomena,
and the duties revolving around this research would
be thrown back and forth between the Department
of Defense and the Cia.
With programs being shut down and then reopened
under different names. Time and time again.
The most famous of these programs would, of

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course be the legendary project Star gate within
go swan,
but we'll get to that in a bit.
In the 19 seventies, the department of Defense
was conducting research specifically
into the active remote viewing.
This remote viewing program revolved around the lore
concerning a mystical ability someone can use. To
visualize details of distant people and place it

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using Tele,
or Esp or any of those words.
1 of the places they used for their
experiments was a building located at fort George
Meade Army facility, in Fort Meade, Maryland,
And another operation was going on at the
right Patterson Air force base in Ohio. Which
employed a secretary named Rosa Smith, who believes

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herself to be a psychic.
Quote,
it was a very small budget program.
Because most people thought it was bananas
quote, phenomena.
The location would change in times of emergency
emissions though.
Like in 19 76,
when they were given the task of finding
a downed American pilot through remote viewing.

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Quote,
A Soviet bomber had gone down in the
jungles of Africa,
and the Cia
and military intelligence
had used every intelligence
collections means available to them from the satellite
technology
to sick
to human intelligence.
And they had absolutely nothing

(27:23):
quote
With nothing to lose, the military contacted the
viewing operation at Patterson, and they put the
psychic rosemary smith on the job, to which
she actually drew maps that pinpoint where this
aircraft was.
At least within a few miles within the
actual location, which is really good. And anyone's
chance of doing that it's like 1 in

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a Brazilian million.
The cable was sent to the Cia, and
they sent a paramilitary military team out into
the jungle, you know, in the area where
Rosemary Smith said it would be.
They saw a village carrying a piece of
aircraft out of their jungle, and that led
them exactly to the plane.
This was a paradigm
shattering, events of many people.

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Because it would go on to be 1
of the most successful documented events of a
psychic using remote renewing to great effect. That
the military could touch and feel.
And by that, I mean any form of
like,
objective evidence of a successful remote viewing session.
In the 19 sixties,

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meta physics became popular among physicists.
At the Stanford Research institute. Harold, how put
off, a physicist who was an expert in
quantum electronics and electron beam devices.
Began some interesting
research in 19 72.
Harold K was interested in questions like

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what his life?
Why is life?
Because there was no theory as he knew
it that could describe life's processes.
Is thinking led him to want to attain
a grant for research in D quantum biology.
He worked for the country's second largest defense
department research facility.
Located at the heart of Silicon Valley in

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Northern California.
So
r I
was kind of a big deal.
And P had heavy hit backing him up.
He had also worked for the Us Navy
intelligence before his time as a scientist.
And as a navy lieutenant, he was loaned
out to the Nsa.
So though he was a scientist.

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He was no stranger top secret government were.
Passion was quantum physics, an esoteric concepts like
quantum entanglement,
0 point energy, at how quantum theory might
account for biological life processes?
Hence this question,
why is life?

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And
His fascination with quantum biology
was quite profound.
Precisely what he wanted to know more about
was the elusive idea. Of Tac particles.
He wrote a letter to a man named
to Cl Baxter,
who was an infamous Cia analyst
specializing in deception.

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Herald thought that Baxter experiments with plants could
have some connection to Tac on particles.
The baxter
effect
and Baxter book.
The secret life of plants
would go down in his stray as a
notoriously rev work of research by established science.
Baxter experiments showed plants have a form of

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communication analogous to Esp
and could show pain and fear as well
as actually registered the presence of a human
next to it.
Since its plants have no nervous system.
This whole idea like really pissed a lot
of scientists off
and still due to this and still does
I mean to this day.
However,

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Harold P thought that Tac particles
could be just how plants feel pain or
express this anomalous
communication through analogous Esp.
But by the time Harold letter reached Baxter.
He had already moved on to human and
plant, psychic experiments.
And his test subject was a man named

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Ing Swan.
And I know it's likely since you are
interested in cryptic chronicles, you've heard of Ing
swan before.
That go,
he had a fascinating backstory.
He was basically considered a weirdo all his
life and an outsider.
Since he was a child Swan claimed to
experience prem permissions.

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And that he could see people's aura, as
well as a bunch of other more mystical
abilities.
Swan said he could go into a dream
state and leave his body. And travel far
and wide, basically doing
astra projection Ob, that good stuff.
His maternal grandmother claims to also be a
sensitive,
and his family was actually pretty supportive in

(31:56):
his whole meta physical path.
In 19 55,
He graduated college with a double major in
biology and art.
Swan wanted to become a scientist. And get
a degree in genetic research. However,
he ended up a listing in the Us
army.
He served 3 years in Korea. But eventually
left the army in 19 58,

(32:18):
and moved to New York City.
Swan was determined to make a living as
an artist.
But, of course, he had to pay the
bills, so he had a day job as
a clerk at the office of the United
Nations secretary.
Swan did this for 12 years,
but at night and on weekends,
he was dedicated to arts and was immersed

(32:38):
in the New York City art scene.
And this is where he met the legendary
artist named Be Mu.
She was 1 of those high society types
and walked at a crowd of the powerful
and influential in New York.
And
1 of her favorite topics was actually psychic
phenomena,
so the 2 actually had a lot to

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talk about and got along really well right
off the bat.
Had 1 of Moon parties.
Swan cl baxter,
The same baxter that I just mentioned who
was doing all those plant experiments.
That you would liked each other and hit
it off nicely.
With Swan eventually asking if he could actually
come physically baxter at his lap.

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Swan later recalls in an unpublished biography.
That he wanted to see how plants reacted
to human thoughts in a scientific environment.
So wanted to sell himself out as a
psychic guinea pig and hopes that he could
quit his horrible day job do this kind
of stuff and
focus on his arts.
Little did everyone know.

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In swan
would revolutionize remote viewing,
as well as psychic research in general,
Swan worked very well with Cl Baxter and
eventually. Baxter told him about Har Put letter.
So now we have come full circle,
the holy Trinity of Psychic research,

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in swan.
Baxter,
and put off.
This research done at the Stanford Research Institute
would become
legendary of people who
enjoy the paranormal
and para psychology
you know all that type of people.
Throughout the seventies and eighties, Ing became New

(34:25):
York City's
super psychic.
And pioneered remote viewing out of body experiences,
and other myriad paranormal research.
Harold e put off and swan conducted their
experiments but the tight scrutiny,
and ru for error was completely removed to
the greatest of their abilities.

(34:45):
Their work at R drew the attention of
Put colleagues
who dis
greatly.
P believed he had the technology and abilities
to research psychic phenomena with scientific
accuracy. So he dismissed his
more mine slave type,

(35:05):
colleagues that looked down on his work.
Another physicist,
Russell Tar, would also joined them in a
psychic research who has his name attached all
a stuff as well and is his own
like kind of celebrity concerning all this
psychic research.
It didn't take long for the Cia to
approach p off for Esp tests concerning Ing

(35:27):
swan.
With the R, just an offs shoot of
the Department of Defense.
They had all the funding they could ever
want.
At first they approached Put off swan to
do some simple tests.
Basically, just over the course of a couple
weeks to see if he was
not a Char.
You know, and if he's passed the test,

(35:48):
made move forward with Swan for the remote
viewing program.
However, Swan wasn't told the truth about all
this stuff, he was told that the Cia
agents were actually just
academic colleagues of food off.
So the tests were basically, he didn't know
what was going on. So he didn't have
any reason to do anything.

(36:08):
Out of the ordinary.
Essentially, you're pretty much guaranteeing that these tests
that they did on Swan were
were not compromised.
These simple tests consisted of, what's in the
box, tests,
in which they put off supplies and other
mundane simple objects sub box and then asked
Swan to tell them specifically what was inside.

(36:29):
This is a common Esp,
like research
test to see if people have psychic abilities.
However, this did open the test up for
cheating since the scientists would know what was
in the box and could tip off Swan,
you know, but
Swan still didn't know that these were Cia
guys doing all this.

(36:50):
In any case to make sure sure that
nothing funny was going on.
1 Cia agent thought of a fraud proof
test.
He went out into the R garden and
grabbed a small brown moth.
With the math alive, he placed inside a
box and sealed the lid.
Then he went side to the testing area
where Swan was and asked.

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Can you tell us what's inside this box?
Swan concentrated.
And said that the object was very small.
It looked kinda like a leaf was brown.
And was moving like it was alive.
The Cia Agent opened the lid and showed
everyone the moth,
and was completely astonished

(37:31):
It's it's an understatement to say that the
Cia agent was impressed.
Shortly after this event, the group given government
funding for an 8 month long program of
research. The program was called, the bio field
measurement program.
And was labeled top secret.
What the group didn't know was that Yuri
Gel was about to be brought into the

(37:53):
R program as well as also take place
in the testing.
The results called quote quote, beg gel Swan
phenomena,
set the stage for government research into the
paranormal for the next 20 years.
All the research in 2 Para
and psycho
well through the nineties would be based on
this research as the standard to judge by.

(38:15):
And if you don't know why like, I
kinda made it seem like you're a gel
coming in was a big deal. If you
don't know who your gel is.
He's kinda similar to Ing swan, but a
little bit more notorious.
And
your Gel would actually prove to be an
issue concerning intelligence security because of his celebrity
status.

(38:36):
He was a big deal. He was like,
those old Remember the show's in the nineties
early 2 thousands of people doing like Psychic
stuff on Tv and everyone was like, whoa.
I forget that guy's name.
But he was like that guy, but way
bigger.
Chris angel, there was a lot of them.

(38:56):
Anyway,
and pseudo skeptics and establishments,
power structures of oppression
really hate the sky or hide the sky.
Here's a quote, from these sometimes reliable source
of information depending on the subject,
wikipedia?
Quote.
Your gel is an Israeli entertainer,

(39:19):
rider
and television
personality,
gained fame and Notoriety, for claims that he
has supernatural psychic abilities
He gain no notoriety after a series of
television appearances, in which she appeared to ben
Spoons,
start stopped watches,
and other mysterious beats.
Gel is famous for his ability to bend

(39:40):
spoons,
although he has a number of critics.
He is a mental
who uses trickery
to stimulate side or paranormal ability.
His signature trick is bending spoons while no
1 is looking.
However,
he has crossed a line, most men only
flirt with,

(40:00):
claiming
that he performs his feet
with true psychic capability
and not trickery.
And quote,
wikipedia.
See how bias outlook what a Pe article
is.
Totally trustworthy right?
Yuri gel would conduct many experiments concerning psycho

(40:22):
and other Esp abilities.
The Cia concluded that many of the successful
tests.
Had the probability
of 1 in a trillion.
1 word of the Cia experimenting with celebrity
psychic like Gary Gel reached the Pentagon.
Questions were asked.
Food off and park assured them with an

(40:43):
official statement.
That they were conducting these experiments with the
strict oversight, so faking the results was next
to impossible.
With the long history of Charlotte
concerning psychic abilities, which is true.
Other government agencies outside the intelligence agencies began
to sla the experiments.
It seemed to be a mistake to have

(41:03):
a celebrity psychic like Yuri gel for their
experiments,
which honestly in hindsight probably is Well yeah,
That was a bad idea.
If they're trying to be legitimate, especially when
the gutter press can just sla or taint
anyone with there's if the unit, there's no
evidence as somebody the establishment doesn't like.
So...

(41:23):
But they did what they did however.
However, other military officials became legitimately interested in
the experiments and asked to join in on
the tests.
But this did not turn out that well.
As a more Sla was thrown at the
scientists.
But in the end, the Cia did not
care and continued the program,

(41:45):
Time magazine wrote a smear campaign because of
a whistleblower.
To which an
investigation was launched.
This whistleblower was never found though. But there
was a whole
anti gel crusade going on. And Sr was
targeted as well as Cia.
That take long to r up a mob
and,
you know, have them screeching into the sky.

(42:08):
Kid green, a Cia upper big got a
call from Put.
They talked about the drama concerning yuri gel
and Sri, Put remained do that Gel legitimately
showed Esp abilities,
green denied Gel abilities and wanted the whole
situation to just be laid to rest in
all of this.

(42:28):
Crusade against Gel and the Cia to just
kind be swept under the rug.
But Food rudolph was kind of a charming
guy and actually convince screen to talk to
1 of his scientific collaborators.
But
this scientific collaborator was actually yuri gel pretending
to be somebody else.
He convinced green to do a test.
Green would put a book on his desk

(42:49):
to be remote viewed. And if it was
successful,
To this direct Cia Head Hon show guy,
then he agreed will go forward with the
experiments and I won't cancel it.
And green had been working out a whole
bunch of classified stuff specifically with some soviet
bio weapons that have effects on a human
brain.
He took the medical book he was using
for research and laid on his desk, then

(43:10):
opened it was an image of the human
brain displayed.
Back inside the lab R.
Yuri Gel began making sketches,
which looked like a pan of scrambled eggs.
P then relayed the image back to green.
And the Cia head Hon show Big guy
was baffled

(43:31):
because the image of the brain he had
on his desk
did indeed
looked like scrambled eggs.
At least without context.
Also there is no room for cheating here
because Kit Green was within a high security
Cia office.
With no way, anyone having any spy equipment
to, like, sur him or anything like that.

(43:53):
He worked on top secret projects there.
So all the staff was heavily vetted. It
was in any room here for
bunny business.
To green, there was no way it was
possible that Gel knew what was on his
desk.
But somehow he did. In the meantime, because
of all this cut Green did agree that
he would port Tar and put off in

(44:14):
their experiments.
But the decision to close down the program
or not was not up to that guy.
It was up to the Cia director of
the time.
But thanks to Green support as well as
a plethora of other objective
documentation of Es P research results.
The Cia director decided that the agency's paranormal
research was valuable,

(44:34):
and would not only be continued.
But be expanded upon
and receive even more funding.
Officially, the program would still be called the
bio field measurements program.
But internally,
would be called the paranormal perception
research project.
So

(44:55):
Yuri Gel essentially saved this very famous program,
and this story is just ridiculous. You just
can't make this stuff up right?
Reality is always stranger than fiction.
But I should inject here that there are
some, like pretty su stuff about Yuri gel.
So I'm not saying that I'm a true

(45:15):
believer 100 percent.
I'm pretty neutral on the matter.
But, I mean, if the Cia were taking
him seriously
in this au like.
This is a legitimate Cia documented story.
There's just more to the pick and there's
probably a lot more to yuri gel than

(45:36):
Wikipedia whatever admits.
He was also going at like, at the
same time, he was also going out into
the spotlight and,
you know, being an ego guy celebrity.
And those kind of people are just not
really trustworthy.
Overall.
So this probably like an aspect to him
that is legitimate. I mean, the Cia says
so. Right?

(45:56):
Whereas, you know, there is also this other
side to him that might be kinda
kinda su.
Still just like, really fascinating stuff.
Like I said, reality is always stranger than
fiction and who needs fiction when you got
so many, like,
bizarre real world tales going around. I love
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Ing swan.
1 of the most, like bizarre things that
happened through all these
experiments
with some remote viewing that had to do
with Nasa.
At this time in history, the probe Nasa
Pioneer 10 Fly by was soon to go
past Jupiter,
and Swan suggested an experiment and remote viewing

(51:03):
the planet before the probe got there.
Everyone was on board and he did so.
Nobody really expected too much from this because
this was... I mean, remote Was never really
done outside of.
The planet Earth,
so it was just kind of a hail
Mary
just to see what would happen.
After the remote viewing session was done, Swan

(51:24):
thought that he made a mistake. He thought
that he might have accidentally remote viewed Saturn
or something because there was a ring around
the planet.
This led to everyone being uni impressed with
the remote viewing experiment of planet Jupiter.
That is.
Until when Nasa pioneer 10
performed its fly by the planet
and relayed the data assert that the ring

(51:47):
swan saw While remote viewing.
Did indeed exist.
Jupiter does have a small ring,
and nobody knew it until obviously,
this Nasa
probe
could relay that information,
but swan actually remote muted before this information

(52:07):
even existed
So, yeah, you heard that right.
Swan remote Jupiter's ring
before it was discovered by Nasa.
Expanding the protocols of how they conducted remote
viewing tests even further.
Swan off the idea of a designated target
not by sending a beacon person to the

(52:29):
target, but by geographical coordinates,
latitude and long and degrees, minutes and seconds.
The remote viewers who conducted this experiment were
Ing swan at pat price.
And the entire transcripts are available in d
documents
to which the following is a quote of
the experiment.

(52:49):
In order to subjects,
Remote spewing,
to a rigorous long distance test under external
open control. A request for geographical coordinates of
a site unknown to subject and experiment
was forwarded to the Os group, responsible for
threat analysis in this area.
In response,

(53:11):
R personnel
received a set of geographical importance,
and
and degrees minutes and seconds of a facility
here after referred to as the West Virginia
site.
Experiment then cured out to remote queuing experiments
on a top blind basis

(53:31):
that is
applying to experiment as well as subject.
The experiment,
as it's called the determination of the utility
of remote viewing under conditions
approximating an operational scenario.
2 subjects started on the site,
a sensitive

(53:51):
installation,
1 subject to a detailed map of the
building and grounds layout.
The other
provided information about the interior,
including code,
data subsequently
verified by sponsor,
report available from C.

(54:13):
The majority of information and documents
concerning this experiments are pretty much so classified
to this day,
other than a handful of pages and stuff
that it has been allowed to be
given out through 4 years and whatnot.
So there's a lot about the stuff that
we still don't know. However, what is known
is that the project's clients,

(54:35):
the Cia
became even more interested in these experiments after
they took place.
It was not thought before that remote viewing
could be done without a direct quote unquote,
beacon.
So the idea that I be done just
by being given
geographical coordinates
was

(54:55):
a new thing and kind of a game
changer in these experiments.
The Cia remote viewer pad price found this
exercise so fascinating he suggested another experiment to
challenge his abilities.
It was really ambitious too he wanted to
remote View side of the planet.
And oddly,
he was actually successful in locating 1 in

(55:15):
the ur.
The Cia later verified this remote viewing exercise
and
stated on record,
will these top secret records?
At the time top secret
that the information that he collected
was substantially
correct.
These 2 experiments were the first ever remote

(55:37):
viewing exercise success of a simulated
operational type scenario.
And price was invited to participate in further
experimentation being conducted by the secret program.
Price would go on to conduct another operational
scenario in which she remote viewed a base
in the Ussr, and even made sketches of
What saw.
To which later, it took some time, but

(55:58):
the Cia also admitted or confirmed that the
sketches that he made were accurate.
There was later on hand a Cia satellite
image surface area of the site.
So this is pretty weird. Right?
No wonder in, like later times, especially our

(56:18):
times, there'd be
like woo Cy ups to try and
all the stuff.
And here's a quote from price during the
experiment.
I am laying on my back on the
roof of a 2 or 3 storage brick
building.
It's a sunny day, and this sun feels
good.
There's this most amazing thing.

(56:40):
There is a gigantic crane moving back and
forth over my head
as I tore out the the air.
And looked down,
it seems to be riding on a track
with 1 rail on each side of the
building.
I've never seen anything like that.
End quote.
Price would describe more of the facility that

(57:00):
would later be confirmed as well because it
was actually what he was looking at was
an underground
base.
It was the secret Soviet atomic bomb laboratory.
Russell Tar said,
quote,
The accuracy of prices is drawing is a
sort of thing that I as a physicist
would never have believed if I had not

(57:21):
seen it for myself.
Quote.
The Cia and others were also baffled by
the results of the experiment,
all they had was a horrible satellite image
that showed very little detail. Just
suggest gin of what the surface facility would
look like.

(57:43):
Prices sketches and descriptions
they were too accurate,
not to aston.
Especially years down the line when they were
fully confirmed.
On another mission,
En and his team of researchers
used remote viewing to spy on Russia from
their base in Palo alto o California,

(58:04):
and even discovered a downed Soviet spy plane,
hidden under the foliage of the jungle in
Africa,
after the Department of Defense gave up on
tracking it down.
And who knows what experiments
and operations they did that have yet to
be released
That's through all of these experiments they came
to

(58:26):
3 different categories
of remote viewing.
1.
Fortunate remote viewing,
Cr.
The original Sr developed technique in which viewers
were asked what they saw at specified
geographical coordinates.
2,

(58:46):
extended remote viewing.
E.
A hybrid
relaxation slash medi based method
which is more transcend vision like
And 3,
written remote viewing,
w.
A hybrid of bulk channel and automatic writing

(59:07):
was introduced in 19 88.
Though, it proved
controversial and was regarded by some as much
less reliable.
And I could go on about a lot
of these other experiments, but it's just kind
of boring
detail that
I'd rather just pick out the most
interesting things for you.

(59:28):
But there's all kinds of interesting stories concerning
the secret history of the Us government's
investigations into the paranormal, extra sensory perception,
and, you know, psycho
threw all that stuff in there, there's like
a whole rabbit hole to fall too. But
if I tried to cover
Like all of them, if this episode would
have to be many many parts or never

(59:49):
end.
The best thing to keep in mind about
all this stuff is to dismiss whatever the
mainstream narrative is about the subject because that's
precisely what they want you to think.
And intelligence agencies love, weapon pseudo skeptics and
the media against truth. This is all about
control And the way that they would think
about it probably is that it's for our

(01:00:10):
own
well being.
They're protecting us, which we both know is
complete bullshit.
Thanks for staying with me listener. I'm going
kinda tin hat today.
Sometimes we gather though. Right? Gotta keep these
episodes
spicy. Once in a while. Gotta sat our
inner conspiracy theorist.

(01:00:31):
You know we can both have this guilty
pleasure once in a while. Not a big
deal. And I don't think I've mentioned yet.
1 thing that I heard about In swan
and
Maybe it was even yuri Gel. I can't
remember right off the top of my head.
But some of these guys were involved in
this stuff, they were cy.
And this is back in the early days

(01:00:52):
of sci.
So
if that changes your opinion on me of
this stuff, it's I mean, I think it's
true,
but it could also
if you know about sci.
It can also mean that these guys already
had some pretty interesting views of the universe.
If you know what I mean,
to watch that south park episode that talks

(01:01:13):
about Sci.
But to me, that doesn't discredit them.
If it does to you, I mean, by
all means think think it does, but me
personally doesn't discredit them.
It is an interesting thing though that you
don't find in any of the books really.
It doesn't mention any of their
interaction with with cy or any of that.

(01:01:35):
But Ing swan and the rest would continue
the research for basically 32 years.
These programs would have a bunch of different
names, including
scan,
center lane, Gon Wish,
girl flame.
Project c,
Star gate, and Sun streak.
However, as an umbrella term,

(01:01:56):
This is all best remembered as
project
Star gate
or
the Star gate program.
And at this
lineage of branching tree of programs would go
on all the way up to 19 95.
With 1 of the more famous versions actually
having a movie made about it called the

(01:02:17):
men who stare at Goats,
which you've probably heard of.
Or if you haven't go watch it, it's
awesome,
but it's a real deal program and 1
of the most unique programs.
Actual name is detachment g.
This program was unique because it actually shunned
civilians. It didn't want any civilian psychic in
their program, so it only actually took people

(01:02:39):
from within the military.
And it turned out that there was actually
a decent amount of soldiers in the army
who came forth that they believed themselves to
be
to have psychic capabilities in 1 way or
another.
On September 19 79,
the national security council called Pawn Detachment g
for the remote viewing abilities, giving them a

(01:03:01):
mission to investigate a Soviet Navy base with
their psychic powers.
This remote viewing investigation was actually a success.
The results of detachment G's
investigation.
Led to the Cia discovering a new type
of soviet ballistic missile submarine later designated by
Nato as, the typhoon class.

(01:03:21):
The massive of nuclear sub called the Aco
by the Ussr.
But it's basically
attachment g, all this stuff around this area
at this time that
the government officially puts a lid on all
this stuff. And says that we don't do
psychic research anymore.
We don't do paranormal research anymore. It all

(01:03:42):
ends here.
However,
we know that's bullshit.
They continue doing this research even until this
day.
The modern Times government research program is called
the anomalous mental
cognition program.
And is ran by the office of Naval
research.

(01:04:03):
This also is most likely just the surface
program, so you know,
there are probably
or I... I'm confident enough to say that
there are many ongoing top secret programs
that we just never hear about.
There was always a public face program to
cover the real programs like look at project
Blue book, for example,
when they accidentally created

(01:04:25):
1 of their biggest enemies by hiring on
a scientist who was a skeptic to debunk
it all and then he turned into a
believer because found so much legitimate and evidence.
Originally project Blue book was just supposed to
be covered to discredit the Ufo phenomenon
and tell this guy,
What is his name? I know him it's
on the tip of my tongue.

(01:04:47):
Pisses is me off. I've read books on
him too.
Anyway,
in any case, the modern day anomalous most
mental cognition program has a 3900000.0
dollar funding every year.
They've even figured out ways to train and
build anomalous abilities and people that originally didn't
even have any,
such as a non invasive,

(01:05:08):
electro show and eth based brain computer interface
that enables direct computer communication for, quote, unquote,
training.
So with all the stigma,
based around psychic research because of pseudo skeptics
prop,
the wording has changed
over the years, but the research continues

(01:05:29):
with the underlying goal remaining the same since
these secret research programs began in the fifties.
This is the same reason why the wording
around the Ufo phenomenon is changing.
Getting to the point it's harder and harder
to suppress and shame out of existence this
information like anyone who comes forth talking about
it.
So the government is adapting.

(01:05:50):
They know that they cannot deny these anomalous
things about existence forever,
but since they are behind it at the
campaigns to smear the research and this miss
paranormal abilities,
they acknowledge it in a way that they
can try to keep control over the narrative.
However, this is kind of an issue for
them in modern times too because of the
decentralized way,

(01:06:11):
a lot of technology
moving forward.
Like
decentralized media
is growing.
They basically have to do overtime to keep
the status quo.
And unless they go full tyrant, which they
always could.
But
and tell if they do that, they're just
having a hard time keeping it
together and control the narrative.

(01:06:33):
But our technology is getting pretty crazy and
growing ever faster and faster
So technology may actually be the final stroke
in making psychic phenomena, no longer anomalous or
a belief or a
superstition, but an accepted aspect of our lives
and very existence.
Quote,

(01:06:53):
In essence,
you have this idea,
which really became the core and theme of
the book phenomena.
Which is,
is it fact or is it fantasy?
Or will advance technology
this remarkable system of systems of technology
the government has developed, which includes computer technology,

(01:07:15):
biotechnology
and nano
with this rubric of advanced technology
allow us to solve this age old mystery.
Whether or not,
extra sensory perception
exists biologically.
Quote,
phenomena.
Oh, and I'm gonna leave a definitely leave

(01:07:36):
a link the source of
A lot of the stuff I've gone over.
Phenomena
was my main source of research for this
episode, but I already knew a lot and
I already had books on it.
But definitely check out that book. It's great.
And lucky for you, this is gonna be
an extended episode because there was just so
much I
I to talk about and then I kinda

(01:07:58):
got off subject a couple times or laughed
a little bit too long
that we're just gonna have an extra long
episode and talk about more awesome stuff. And
I have to go get my voice a
little bit of a break and have some
coffee.
Otherwise, I'm just gonna be like
So when we come back, we're gonna get
into the Mon Monroe Institute and how the

(01:08:19):
Cia specifically mentions the Mon Monroe Institute, and
some of their d documents concerning astra
projection,
remote viewing, and other psych phenomena.
Don't go anywhere, you're listening to cryptic chronicles.

(01:09:57):
So, yeah, moving past all of that,
1 of the most interesting things in this
whole
Cia doing secret stuff,
kind of a catalog is the is a
d
Cia document that specifically talks about the Mon
Rowan Institute.
It talks about how a lot of the
techniques that they used or directly requisition from

(01:10:18):
the Mon monroe Institute.
They invented something called hemisphere
synchronization, or just hem sync for short. Which
turned out to be a powerful tool in
developing these alleged psychic abilities.
And as a side note,
I personally did the Mon monroe Institute gateway
experience and a lot of their other stuff
for a decent amount of time and still
do it here and there, like not as

(01:10:40):
consistent, but, yeah.
And found a lot of the techniques that
I developed extremely useful for my meditation practice,
dream recall, and even lucid dreaming.
So I can definitely personally
verify that there is something special about the
Mon monroe Institute.
The only reason why I'm as good at
meditation as I am after all these years

(01:11:01):
it's because of this hem sink and, you
know, Bob Roast does.
And I'm someone with Adhd, so this was
very hard for me.
Anyone who says that they can't meditate because
they have Adhd or some other kind of
neuro divergence,
you can.
I'm a perfect example. If I can do
it, you can do it. It just takes

(01:11:22):
a certain approach.
That isn't
typical to everybody else who does this kind
of stuff.
But it really helped me develop my ability
to meditate and do all this more spiritual
pen of stuff, which I greatly appreciate.
Not to mention the weird, super crazy trippy
stuff, you can experience once you learn how
to put yourself into sleep paralysis

(01:11:44):
while still being awake.
Yeah, That's fun.
Hem is really interesting
it might also be calls
by normal beats,
which if you're going to look for it,
and you don't wanna spend a fortune Mu
monroe Institute stuff. You can always just get
by nor beats. Same thing. All you needed
is some decent

(01:12:04):
stereo headphones and you're good to go.
Anyway,
What's this does
is sync up both hemisphere of the brain
into a single frequency.
Say, for example,
during the day, when you are just going
about your business and are doing your thing,
you're in beta frequency within your brain.

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Right now,
listening to this,
you're most likely in beta, unless you are
listening to this while going to sleep or
something or doing a task that you really
enjoy, so you're kinda in the flow
because there's also other frequencies
The alpha frequencies is 1 of the ones
that you're most likely in a lot as
well,
but there's also delta and data.

(01:12:47):
And you can even kind of even have,
like, overlap here and there for unique results.
You can inspire all kinds of weird reactions
from your brain.
Depending on what frequency you're using.
Let's say you wanna sync up your brain
into a frequency that's good for meditation.
Well,
pop in some alpha waves, and you're good
to go.

(01:13:08):
And over time this will actually even frame
your brain to get into these states more
and more easily.
And eventually, your brain, I mean, if your
system had it. Eventually, your brain will be
so trained at this you only even need
hem sink or binary narrow beats anymore to
get into these states.
But that takes a lot of time and
dedication.
But it is possible just saying,

(01:13:30):
and I actually have made by nora beats
myself if you wanna go listen to some
of my guided meditations.
Go through a dollar at Patreon or subscribe
star because they are exclusive to supporters, let
you can if you want to listen to
some of my bi beats and guided meditations.
By narrow and hem,
legit
actually work and can be very profound to

(01:13:51):
people who are interested in spiritual growth.
But back the point.
Let me just hustle at you real quick.
Right?
Even money. I need it.
But,
The Cia d classified document
says that Hem sink greatly aids and remote
viewing and that of body experiences.

(01:14:13):
I'm not going to claim to be able
to do either. Even though I said I've
spent years doing hem sink. So I don't
even think about it.
I'm not cut blow your mind with any
personal experiences.
But according to the Cia,
this stuff is legit
and that alone should be more than enough
to raise an eyebrow dear listener.
The founder of the Mon monroe Institute was

(01:14:34):
a man named to Robert Mon monroe. He
began his experiments that would lead to the
creation of hem sink after having some pretty
trippy experiences of leaving his body and be
consciously aware.
Bob wanted to investigate this phenomenon further, but
he wanted to be scientific about it because
early on in his
research into this kind of stuff. He noticed

(01:14:55):
that it had
could be what he
what he experienced like was associated with the
occult.
Or new Age stuff,
meta physics, all that kind of stuff. He
wanted to be scientific and at least be
taken like somewhat seriously.
So he decided to push away from all

(01:15:15):
of those terms that the occult uses like
astra projection and all that. He wanted to
distance himself from it.
So when he began his institute, he called
it Ob b.
The out of body experience.
A term that the Mon route institute still
uses today. And
if this kind of phenomenon is mentioned in

(01:15:36):
mainstream.
Even just maybe as a mental disorder or
anything like that, it's gonna be referred to
usually as Ob.
Robert Mon monroe documented his experienced as thoroughly.
And even wrote many books such as journeys
out of the body, barred journeys, an ultimate
journey.
When I first read these books they really
strip me out, but overall, kind of broaden

(01:15:58):
my horizons, I guess,
concerning possibilities
hidden behind the mysteries of existence.
1 thing, Bob Mu monroe did not cover
as well. He should have was the dark
side of all this stuff,
but he probably did that for good reason.
When you're traveling at the speed of thoughts,
if you think if your thoughts go dark

(01:16:19):
side,
guess what you're gonna attract.
So if you're scared in the background is
that something Scary might happen, the background of
your mind, and you kind fall into that
worrying about it, thinking about it while trying
to experience it Guess what? Bad stuff is
gonna happen.
When you're doing this work, a lot of
times you attract things with how your own

(01:16:40):
vibration is And I know that's a woo
term, but just consider it like overall how
you're... What you're thinking about how you feel
are you afraid? Are you worried? You're gonna
track stuff that
is it is attracted to that?
Like attracts like.
I mean, Robert Mon Rowe was teaching people
how to put themselves in into sleep paralysis

(01:17:00):
on purpose,
and I'm sure we all know just how
horrifying that can be concerning
hallucinations and whatnot, even if you have an
experienced it yourself, If you've listened to the
show for a long period of time, you
know exactly what I'm talking about.
You know, or if you believe that they
are at like legitimate paranormal entities. I'm not
really trying to put labels on it, but
let's just say it's objectively factual that things

(01:17:23):
can get pretty freaky key.
The first time that I went super deep
into the stuff and had some legitimate
success.
I was not
ready for the vibration period that many experience
when going from Hip.
Into the
to the body literally falling asleep as the

(01:17:43):
mind is awake.
I'll never forget how much it freaked me
out. It was super
bizarre. Like, you... I can't really explain how
weird it is you have to experience, like
with my whole body feeling like the very
molecules in my skin bones and organs role
shaking uncontrollably.
But that experience is actually not that bad,
how things concerned, and most people will go

(01:18:05):
through it. So
but if...
I mean, I wasn't ready for it. I'm
not a pants seat. Who's just freaked me
out like, with it... I I can't explain
it. But you know, for people who have
experienced slick, sleep paralysis and seen freaky stuff,
the hallucinations or encounters,
whatever you wanna call them.

(01:18:25):
Get pretty terrifying during sleep paralysis
and keep in mind with Mon monroe Institute.
You're doing this stuff yourself on purpose.
There's a whole catalog to do this. My
god, the gateway experience is just the beginning.
It's the training wheels.
Achieving focus tennis is just the start. You
can go way deeper and have all kinds
of crazy experiences.

(01:18:46):
So I can personally verify to you that
the Mon monroe Institute stuff does indeed work.
If you have the discipline and the courage
to follow through with it, that gets not
easy, takes a lot of practice
and courage.
Because stuff is gonna get weird, guaranteed.
I'm sure we're all familiar with the old
h syndrome and shadow people and other

(01:19:10):
scary tales that have occurred to people while
they're trapped within sleep paralysis,
use your imagination. It's anything you could think
of. But Robert Mon Monroe actually specifically leaves
out the scary side of everything, in an
attempt to protect the person who's getting into
this.
Which does make sense to a agree.
But at the same time it doesn't give
the individuals the ability to build up their

(01:19:32):
own resilience,
specifically for 1
challenged to overcome,
known as the guardian of the threshold.
But not everybody meets the guardian of the
threshold. It's actually only people who are not
ready to be doing what they're doing.
This actually a specific thing that in the

(01:19:54):
Ob astra projection world.
If you believe this lower that is,
not trying to give you absolute just giving
you information I'll let you decide for yourself,
But there's a specific thing called the guardian
of the threshold.
Or
the lurk at the threshold.
You'll also cut find the same kind of
thing as 1 of the outer gods in

(01:20:14):
the ka cthulhu mythos those.
No connection though. I don't think.
Now, the guardian of the threshold is mentioned
in cult orders of the past like their
lower their
curriculum, their rituals or practices,
but it's mostly just referred to in, like,
enigmatic ways.
Concerning Ob. I don't really think that they

(01:20:35):
are the same thing in the idea of
what they're about, but it... They are kind
of the same thing at the same time.
Because you have to overcome the lurk of
the threshold, the guardian of the threshold before
you're allowed past certain levels of initiation and
into knowledge and whatnot or to
Higher spiritual abilities.

(01:20:56):
Bill regret the threshold has 3 ways it
can be looked at?
And translated into one's personal reality tunnel.
The first way is that the lurk is
a legit autonomous
supernatural
entity.
The second way is that the lurk at
this threshold is actually your subconscious.
And the third is that the lurk at

(01:21:17):
the threshold is some kind of
ancestor protector
or higher self.
Or guardian angel.
Anything analogous to that kind of general idea
is what they could be Anything along those
lines. I'm sure you know what I mean.
And it's important to note that the guardian
of the threshold is not an enemy or
malicious or bad or evil or anything like

(01:21:39):
that. What it does is it does not
allow people out of their body
or
into entire forms of
consciousness
beyond the mundane really.
Unless somebody is ready.
And if you are trying to do all
this stuff, the lurk at the threshold will
test you.

(01:21:59):
In these ways that it does test can
be pretty frightening. You have to prove to
the lurk
that you're ready.
Some people do not even meet the lurk
at the threshold at all, though.
Keep that in mind.
Because allegedly it only manifests to people who
are not ready for Ob and esoteric journeys
out of body and stuff like that.
And how the lurk interacts with you is

(01:22:20):
also wholly unique.
For example,
let's say someone is practicing should do an
Ob
and it's getting closer whatever.
The lurk group could take on the form
like a classical h like the old h
syndrome during sleep paralysis.
It could take the form of a shadow
person
or just inc coherent whispers next your ear.

(01:22:42):
A knock on the door with someone asking
to be let in.
It could also be a simple flash or
a noise of some sort. Basically anything just
to knock you out of what you're doing.
It could be the feeling of somebody
entering the room, watching you.
You know, like a malicious entity at the
foot of the bed or from the doorway,
getting closer.

(01:23:02):
It could be 2 people having a conversation
in the room about you. It could be
literally anything.
Creepy whispers is another common 1.
But the whole point of the lurk at
the threshold. It's not really to
terrify you. It's actually to protect you.
It's not trying to hurt you or anything
like that. It just doesn't want to let

(01:23:24):
you out
until you are ready and prepared for what's
out there during a the conscious Ob.
And if you read Robert Mom Rose books,
you know exactly what I mean. Because there's
a lot of stuff out there that is
pretty freaky.
Who you're in the more subtle
realm.
The Lurk at the thresholds duty is to
challenge the individual until they prove that they're

(01:23:46):
are ready.
It is actually protecting the person despite how
freaky it is. So,
you know, it's like you're subconscious protecting you
from the Mundane perspective.
So Like, no. You are not ready for
that. Here's a freaky h lady on your
chest. Oh, And she's choking you. Good luck.
And the way to prove yourself to the

(01:24:08):
lurk at the threshold is to overcome your
fear or
distraction
or whatever it is that it grows at
you.
When you win is when you are unaffected
by whatever,
whatever happens to screw with you.
It will actually keep this up during one's
attempts to consciously Ob until 1 no longer
shows any fear or is

(01:24:30):
unaffected by any of the lurk
manifestations.
It can be a pretty harrowing experience,
which is why so many people give up
when something scary happens, and they no longer
practice their Mon monroe Institute stuff or their
Ob techniques or astra projection aspirations. They just
put it all the way. They're like, nope.
Which I guess is kind of the the

(01:24:50):
point in the first place.
The lurk doing its job success
because Personally obviously,
not really geared towards that experience or ready
for it or
the right applicant for the job. You know
what I mean?
Because if you can't handle the lurk challenging
you, how the hell are you gonna handle

(01:25:11):
all the weird ass freaky stuff that happens
when you're doing Ob ease and whatnot.
That are way worse.
You're not going to, and it could be
mentally
damaging
if you're not prepared.
But once the aspirin sprint traveler accomplishes this,
the Lurk at the threshold will then leave
them alone from that point onward.

(01:25:31):
And like I said, many do not eat
encounter the lurk,
but those who do.
It's not obvious exactly what's going on.
Which is why I find it hilarious that
Bob M really never talks about it.
But it does make sense from the context
that the less you're expecting a bad stuff
to happen, it's probably easier at the lurk

(01:25:52):
at the threshold experience is gonna be. If
you're freaked out and expecting kind screw stuff,
And that's what's gonna happen. So in some
cases,
unless you know the better, but not all
cases. And I find the idea that an
entity exists that blocks people from doing things
like astra projection, if you're not ready to
be pretty fascinating. What do you think? K,

(01:26:14):
that's pretty
That's pretty cool.
But, again, just to clarify, you can also
just look at it as your subconscious protecting
you, your ancestors,
or some guardian angel or higher self,
etcetera.
I think that I kinda started bla too
much about this Robert Mon monroe stuff and

(01:26:35):
I mean, it's supposed to be about Cia.
Right?
But the Cia document that was d as
talking about all this stuff.
You just happened to find me overlapping with
the topic I know a lot about and
enjoy myself. So,
yes, I just couldn't resist bla a little
bit.
The d Cia document directly refers to the

(01:26:55):
Mon monroe Institute gateway experience.
As legitimate,
and used it in training for their own
programs, Aspirin and test subjects.
And all you need to begin the Mon
monroe institute gateway experience.
Like I said, is just some decent headphones,
and a quiet place to practice, mind awake,
body sleep.

(01:27:16):
And the meditation practices while listening to hem
sink.
In Bob's book far journeys.
He documented his own Obi through a psychedelic
abstract adventure outside of his body.
He says his, quote on, quote, second body.
Took him to other realities
separated from his fiscal life.

(01:27:38):
It was a while ago that I read
those books, but
He does a bunch of weird stuff in
the books. Check them out. I kinda probably
go over them to refresh my mind a
little bit. But these experiences are basically just
astra projection.
The journey is sometimes frightening with Bob meaning
dead humans, parasitic entities, and abstract trips into

(01:27:58):
unknown dimensions.
So you can see how it makes sense
kinda like that a alert... An entity like
the lurk at the threshold would exist kinda.
Know to keep people from doing stuff that
they're not ready for.
In Bob's tales,
these spirits and ghosts could actually very much
screw was someone's mental health, and even cause

(01:28:18):
mental illness,
Ptsd,
etcetera.
Not to mention creepy inter interdimensional aliens,
So let's just say stuff gets really, really
weird.
Bob goes on a trip that seems like
it's the...
The beginning of
when humans actually started receiving souls for rein
rejuvenation, I guess,

(01:28:38):
which is pretty bizarre first.
And the way these books are written, seems
kind of quaint and hard to read with
a bunch of weird terms.
Read them you'll note know what I mean.
But essentially,
Bob meets like these little light entity beings,
and they show him kind of the gears
behind reality.
F.
It's interesting.

(01:29:00):
And it shows them a lot.
It's hard to tell
like time and space have no meaning doing
this stuff. So
you shouldn't look at it in a linear
sense, so the stories won't make sense.
But I'm 1 of the books I can't
remember which 1.
He meets his energy beings and it's like
their first time going into a human.
And they all exist in a society outside

(01:29:22):
of humanity, you know, they're like,
going about their business, they're they all know
each other to these light entities.
Then 1 of them
goes into a human and he lives his
entire life as a caveman man.
Then he comes back to tell the tale.
The entity does this a decent amount of
times each time coming back to tell the

(01:29:42):
other light entities about the experiences.
And taking more of the light entities to
en inca as humans with him.
He talks about how in his human inform
he was chilled brutally
taken advantage of as a woman died of
hunger
was beaten
and all kinds of
pretty brutal stuff. You get the idea.

(01:30:02):
Like killing in battle and whatnot. The entity
is like, oh, yeah, it was dope.
But the thing is,
is that every single time this light entity
came back,
it lost a little bit of self.
Like it started to forget what it really
was.
Outside of inca as humans. And it became
addicted to inca as humans. It came back

(01:30:25):
more and more forgetful of its original energy
form and interacted less and less with the
other energy beings just looking for its next
fix to go back in.
Eventually, It is pretty much lost
altogether
and is fully addicted to inca as a
human and completely forgot about its whole original
role. Or existence.

(01:30:46):
Like a forgotten dream.
More and more, the energy being begin inca
this way
and more and more, they lose themselves and
don't come back.
Then there are these other beings called the
inspect that do not claim to have created
human experience but manage the flow
of a

(01:31:06):
something called lu.
I don't know if I really wanna get
into Luc, but if you are familiar with
our ko floor, our con.
It seems pretty freaking arc iconic.
And the human experience is actually
metaphorically I'll explain it this way.
We produce a fine wine for other spiritual

(01:31:28):
beings,
and it's like an energy source of
loose.
Not physical food.
So there's a huge hierarchy of spiritual entities
in the universe university. Yeah. I don't know.
This... That's a whole another a rabbit hole.
These specs could be analogous to a plethora
of different possibilities from

(01:31:49):
mythology,
history,
the occult, you name it.
There could be higher beings that keep humans
rein per and experiencing all the ups and
downs of life to produce
loose
energy for unknown intelligences,
were a farm.

(01:32:10):
The Cia analysis and assessment of Robert Mon
monroe gateway experience.
Overlap with concepts from Carlos Cast books.
With an attempt at scientific
explanation.
He work doesn't actually try to steer clear
of esoteric terms like Robert Mon monroe.
But the analysis touches on some pretty wild

(01:32:31):
stuff, more so than just Obi.
It includes waking dreaming.
Past and future travel,
remote viewing,
transcend dental,
meditation,
and belief systems in terms of hologram,
The Cia document talks about a whole bunch
of es esoteric terms in a serious fashion,
you'd never really think would come from the

(01:32:53):
Cia like it would be talking about it
in that way.
Here's a quote from the Cia document.
The universe is composed of interacting
energy fields,
some at best and some in motion.
It is in and of itself, 1 gigantic
hologram of unbelievable complexity,

(01:33:13):
according to the theories of Carl Crib,
a neuroscientist
at the Stanford University
and David Bo, a physicist at the University
of London.
The human mind is also a hologram, which
att itself to universal hologram
by the medium of energy exchange.
Thereby d reducing meaning and achieving the state

(01:33:34):
which we all call, consciousness.
With respect to the states have expanded or
altered consciousness
such as gateway uses, the process operates in
the following way.
Energy bass through various aspects of the universal
Hologram
and is perceived by the electrostatic fields which
comprise the human mind.

(01:33:55):
The holographic images being conveyed are projected upon
those
electrostatic fields at the mind,
and are perceived or under stood to the
extent that the electrostatic fields is operating at
a frequency and amplitude that can harmon within
and therefore read the energy carrier.
Wave pattern passing through its.

(01:34:16):
Changes in the frequency and amplitude of the
electrostatic field
which comprises the human mind
determines the configuration hence the character of the
holographic energy matrix,
which the mind projects to intercept, meaning directly
from the holographic
transmissions of the universe.
Then,

(01:34:37):
To make sense of what the holographic image
is saying to it.
The mind proceeds to compare the image just
perceived with itself.
Specifically,
it does this by comparing the image received
with that part of its own hologram,
which constitutes memory.
By registering differences in the geometric

(01:34:57):
form and in energy frequency.
The consciousness
perceives.
Quote,
Analysis and assessment of the gateway program, the
Cia.
So I guess like a holographic model of
the universe and consciousness is nothing new. I
mean, we've talk about it before on the
show. But I've always found it pretty fascinating.

(01:35:20):
However, the Cia talks about
this stuff in a
too serious of a manner for my taste.
I don't trust the Cia. But the Cia
talks about how the gateway program can be
used to transcend time and space itself.
The document talks about consciousness and energy and
all kinds of trippy woo stuff that

(01:35:41):
is suppressed in the mainstream
by bad actors.
And it keeps on going back to the
them on Monroe Institute stuff over and over.
So what do you think is it bizarre
to hear the Cia talk about... Stuff like
Ob being real in like a scientific sense.
They throw in quantum physics and a whole
bunch of other mind boggling topics.

(01:36:01):
Stuff So go check out the documents or
these books too that I base this episode
on.
Links in the details of this episode.
Definitely
should raise some eyebrows and confusion. The document
talks about Wu es o esoteric and meta
physics as if it is grounded and real.
And the Cia then goes on to explain
stuff that would have someone put in the

(01:36:23):
Loo bin if they talked about it in
public a hundred years ago.
These government agencies
Sure have been up to some weird stuff
behind the scenes over the years.

(01:37:21):
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