Bears Crash and Burn at Metlife

After a strong first quarter The Bears fall to the Jets 31-10. Insult and injuries abound as they lose both Darnell Mooney and Eddie Jackson to season ending injuries

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Tailgate Show. This is gonna bekind of a tough one to do.
I personally didn't want to go tonight, but here we are. It's getting

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a little bit. I mean,if that game sucked, there was the
final score, I'm still like PTSDover here was a thirty one tens.
This sound accurate. That is lacking. We became the landing strip for the
Jets, and uh they mowed usdown. Landing strip. You say,
yeah, pretty much during that wholeintro, you just gave Mike White just

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completed four more passes. This defenseis so bad. I mean, that's
that's just bears right. Remember whentanneh Hill and Tannah Hill went like seventeen
or seventeen when he was playing,Yeah, like it's always some bullshit.
But brock Eyswiler went three and lagainst US with three different teams Glory days.
Jets do have some weapons. I'mnot I'm not gonna discount that.

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It just shows you how bad Wilsonwas playing really um or how bad this
defense is or correct. That's that'spart of it too. I mean,
on a positive note, they didn'trisk putting fields out there and shitty turf
and shitty weather. I mean thatthat was that was one positive. On
a negative, Eddie Jackson's time,how many how many season ending injuries?

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Is that for MetLife? It's collectingthem, it's collective body. I mean,
the nflpa's evolve. They're supposed tobe changing that out next year.
I don't know why in this dayand age with the NFL and how big
they are and how much money theyhave, that they can just change the
turf out. Let's just go backto natural grass people. I don't know.
At least the injury rate is alot. If they truly cared about

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players safety, they'd go buy theinjury rate turf out way more soft tissue
injuries. Question is how many yearshas it been since they replaced that turf,
Like at our local high school,it's what ten years and I don't
think we should be. I thinkwe are supposed to only get like seven

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for our turf. So at ahigh school level, have you guys ever
been on turf? Oh man,we've got a turfet our high school.
There's just no give to it atall. Like the grass is at least
a little bit forgiving. There giveto it. It's spongey. Oh,
I don't know about that split turf, not turf all together, got it

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interesting? Yeah, the split turfis the one they're complaining about. It
was it like six stadiums in theleague, at Detroit being one of them.
But anyway, and it did sucklose Eddie, to lose the Mooney.
Now they're out for the rest ofthe season, so that just puts
another dark cloud on this whole situation. We kind of knew that the season
was gonna go this way anyway within the win column. But no,

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no, no, we were notsome well we did this. Oh yeah,
the hot take. Yeah, justtrying to wrap their brand on Twitter,
which is fun. It bears.Twitter is freaking brutal, but um

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positive side the scripted stuff. Wesaw guys getting involved that we didn't haven't
seen much from really I saw Pringleget involved. He actually got had on
a slant, which was nice tosee. Slant Clinton, Yes, just
slant. Actually, Uh, Claypoolget involved, was nice to see.
Uh Evans is better than Ebner.Yes, yes, I'm trying. I'm

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trying to pull shit out, man, But Jack Sandborne continues to impress.
Yep, he does tackles. Grantedhe gets plenty of opportunity to make tackles.
I think Bill was solid at timestoo. I mean to you know,
he's py on Garrett and he endedup catching the ball. But still

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he was no Elijah Hicks. Hewas. He was the guy that guys
have stud That's what I hear acrossthe pond. What the hell is the
deal with Kirkshank or whatever? Mistertight ender racer? Like he got hurt.
I guess he's been hurt. Like, yeah, I don't know what
do you get hurt Tennessee? Hegot hurt from Tennessee? No, where

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did he come from? Me?What is that? No? No,
I said, what do you gethurt from? I have no idea.
It just seems like I don't know, man. But like Eddie, it
just sucks with Eddie too, becausehe really turned things around. I mean,
we were getting on him last coupleof seasons about being like he got
his money. Now he's kind ofgetting soft. But he really like bought
in. He was he was hittinghard. He was like a team captain.

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Like play before that he's making atackle, knocks the guy out of
bounds. He kind of flex uson him, had a lot going on
off the field, kind of likeit was. It was just nice to
see him get back to what wewere used to seeing, even better actually,
because the physicality was there more thanit had been in previous years.
So to see him get hurt reallysucks, man, because like I thought

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he he was going to come uplike turning things around. What do you
do with Eddie? If if hecan recover from this injury, fine,
I would like to see them keephim because freaking I like this. I
like the compliment at safety right now. We haven't had this since Amos was
here. Yeah, so, Imean that's a legit question. He's not

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young, and before that a lotof dark years at safety. Yeah,
I mean, and he's just whattied for fourth in the league at the
position and interceptions. He was havinga hell of a year and was leading
Pro Bowl voting. I believe atone point hell of a year, especially
considering how bad everything is in frontof him. True, I think,

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most importantly, the effort has beenthere. Yeah, you said the physicality
earlier has never been known as asa as a solid tackler, but you've
at least seen him put forth asolid effort here he was in college.
I mean, he could listen.It was never his game though, you
know, I think a lot ofguys expect him to be, you know,
coming up in the box and beinga shutdown tackler at his game.

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But no, I think I thinkthe efforts at least been there with him.
And yeah, I agree with Diddy, I'd like to see them keep
him. I think you got waytoo many holes on his defense. Maybe
you do look to extend him fora couple of years and get that cat
figure down for next year, ButI mean, that's gonna be a hard
sell after he's had four picks,and even even with the injury. I

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mean, true, it's not asit's not as damning as it what once
was five years ago. You thinkwe'll be talking about what's gonna be a
hard sell? Well, take atake her discount. He doesn't necessarily have
to take a hometown discount. Ijust think you're looking to possibly add on

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another three years on that contract andthen at least brings down his twenty twenty
three cap number down on there,you're essentially I mean, you're you're essentially
kicking the can down the road.But do you want can kick a can?
Do we know this? I mean, we'll just we've talked about how
Okay, there's one hundred twenty onehundred and thirty million dollars, but they
have how many free agents? Youknow, is that money going to go

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as far as we think it is? So? Is that you know,
if they're comfortable enough where they thinkthey can build this roster in twenty three
while maintaining that seventeen million dollar capfigure. Yeah, sure, I'm all
for playing it out and letting himsee how he comes back from the injury
before you make a financial commitment.But if they feel like they need that
extra room, what I totally hatethem take him, you know, a

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two three year extension risk and seeingif he's that guy and it's at least
one position that you don't have toimmediately consider replacing right now on a defense
that's full of holes. Yeah,how many? How many starters right now
do we have on defense moving forward? I mean basically this is going to
come down to how he's very rehabsand what happens there to starters in the

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defense? Go ahead like locks,Yeah, Locks, Sanborn At this point,
I would say for eight hundred andseventy two thousand dollars next year,
he's a starter. Justin Jones,Yeah, you got him for two years.
And Jalen who's who has regressed thisyear? But maybe you can throw

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Jalen and Brisker in there. Soyou got four at most. I think
billdor is fine. Again, it'sit's tough man, he's cut. They're
putting bad spots every week. Wegot our first defensive line, our first
defensive line sack in six weeks.Jeff armand Watts, if we had him
in the sack a sack pole,congratulations. And I haven't know where we're

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at in pressures, so I'm ignorantspeaking on that, but visually it doesn't
seem like it's very consistent. No, at anytime, Mike Wi can sit
there and pick you apart on oneread. That's bad. I'm saying I've
been jealous at the time of thequarterbacks at I wish Justin had it.
That was the admiration. That waslast year too, right, like we
had such a low pressure rate,but we had such a high, you

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know rate, and this year Ithink it's just low and low. I
would venture to say we're probably neardead lasting pressures. Yeah, that's an
easy one. I think that's that'salso a good point that did. He
was saying, you know, withmaybe with vill door Um, it's maybe
harder to get an accurate read onanybody in this secondary right now because of
how bad that front seven is.True, and he's played well, He's

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played well in spite of it.It's not great, should be outside,
but this is what it is.But yeah, man, it's it's uh.
And then you got you got moneygoing out on the offensive side and
that was on a block too.It's like shit, yeah he got rolled
up on. That sucks. Yeah, So that that's that that hurts,

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even though like most teams, he'dbe a wide receiver too, but he's
our one. I was gonna say, do you guys think that this forces
more chemist Tree with Claypool and ifJustin though, I mean the same guy
that was was talking about Elijah Hicksthen went on to say, how Vealis

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Jones is going to be that pieceto stretch the defense. He's not a
kick bro. I'm not sure Ithrow a shade early, but hey,
mate, a brow he almost bobbed. He did bobble and almost dropped that
that pitch on the one play.I mean is that he this dude,
this dude that I'm talking about literallyout here trying to tax our tea.

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Like wow. So anyway, Yeah, but you know, I tell Justin
Jones, it doesn't matter. Tellme he cares. He cares well,
you know, I will say thatthough. Like that's one thing I did
pick up watching this game. Thisdefense is trying. It's just the talent

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levels just not there. Man.They're like they're not like we've seen laid
down before. We've seen when seasonsgo bad guys and making business decisions,
and we're not seeing that. Theefforts, the effort was going on.
No, the efforts there. It'sjust the talents not it's just bad.
And you got to if we werethree four defense built to play three four

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the players most of the players herewith three four guys and to try to
try to get rid of pieces youdon't want and bring in the pieces you
do. Oh and then by theway, trade away Kwan and Quinn and
Mac and try to You're basically tryingdepth pieces at starter now and then it's
it's a freaking tall ass task todo in one offseason. I mean,

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basically, in my mind, otherthan the injuries, you just take the
Jets game and throw it away becausethere's not a whole lot you can take.
You can say Darrens and Evanson lookgood, you can say that,
but other than that, there's reallynothing you can take away from that game.
In my open No, Pole's freeagency was horrible his first free agency

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my opinion, and the mistake Ithink he made with the PR. The
PR side of things is kind oftrying to sell the fan base that this
wasn't a complete teardown. It isbullshit. Well yeah right, but people
bought it though, Yeah they ah, they've freaking predicted what eleven and six
people blocked us because we were realand not fucking ballwashers. Yeah. I

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mean I don't really the whole Pissonmatch thing I'm kind of over in my
old age, but the energy manI just think it's really naive to say,
well, now that Naggie's gone,that's somehow guarantees that the next coaching
staff coming in is going to bebetter. Now to that point, I
do think they have been better,but I think Bears fans and probably every

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NFL fan based overvalues the talent thatthey have on hand and reaching for well,
the schedules easier. You know,next year, Every every year is
is different for every every team.I just think it the schedule argument to
me just never makes sense. Iwant Williams, the jury's still out for

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me on him, then the juryshould be out for you off Louse two,
because that was the guy that heput in place to run his defense.
So you think I think that's fairto say the jury's still out on
everybody, even my my guy Lukegetsy oh yeah, nobody, nobody's yeah.
I mean we're what twelve thirteen gamesinto this, it's still still early,
but this is what we expect.It is too early, is You're

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right, it's too early to geton anybody. But like to say it's
Williams, that's just basically Louses.I just wish this defense produced something other
than unusually high percentage of third downconversions and season it looked good on the

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defensive side. We just weren't scoringand then we started scoring in the defense.
Good back seat. It was justlike, but the defensive line.
I mean you, well, everymove in the off season, So I
think it's reasonable to say yes orno that there was a reasonable suspicion that
Trevis Gibson would be an ascending playerthis year. Right, that can happen

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based on what a limited sample size. I think that was the feeling for
most. Now, how much ofa leap you want to say he was
going to take us a different story, but you saw enough flashes to say,
Okay, maybe he's an ascending guyto where he could be a solid
starter. At least you signed Mohammedbecause he's a safe, veteran guy who's
always played at a solid level.You're not getting that right. Your first

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choice there couldn't pass a physical andby the way, he hasn't played very
well. Justin Jones has been betterthan him this year. This is pretty
much every single move on the onthe defensive line, and free agency was
was a strikeout. And that's wherethe conversation goes back to Diddy's boy that
he's really fucked up the off seasonthis year. As far as the free

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agency, dona Je is the onethat came out trying to be Stanley with
the ship right with all the Bears. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's
the one. He's the one thatgot in over his head with fucking Gibson
being Thor and ship dude Donaje.Yeah, at this point, I wish
he was a Donaje level, right, Not right, but I'm saying when
they started drawing the Bears of superheroes, people got all up in their feelings

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like that. That's true. Imean, he's got the physique you think
he would be dominating, big fuckingdude like, but he just yeah,
you ain't it. It wasn't.I mean he was. He was Also
he was also reach in the drafta little bit, you know what I
mean. Yeah, he hadn't likeround, but he was a project.

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And I still he's still be agood depth piece. I think he's a
guy that can shine if you havepieces around him. And I think that's
what you saw with Mashis. Ithink you've said it before that he's kind
of an accessory piece. Yeah,you know, you throw him in the
rotation and let him play along goodplayers and maybe he gets a little more

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pressure. But it's been it's brutalupfront on both sides of the book.
Yep, and that's where you win. Yeah, you'd have thought and here
we are, here we are,and here come the packers. Jesus Christ.
So question for you too, realquick? Did he alluded to it

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earlier that you know? We alljeered it too. We all expected this
the play out this year, right. Our record was always going to be
somewhere around this at this point.But I think we all thought that we
wanted to see certain things happen,certain young players develop and play well.
Based on where we're at today,would you say that they have met your
expectations or failed to meet your expectationsbased on what you wanted to see from

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a development, don't standpoint heading inthe next year. Be specific, give
me a specific player. Okay.I'll answer with that you're being specific,
and then you can make it specific. For Jared. I think they've failed
um because of the fact that they'restill not protecting Justin well enough to get
him to develop more as a passer. We I know he was athletic and

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he's playing out of his in myopinion, and like he's he's developed into
this dominant running quarterback. I knowhe had the athleticism to accomplish that,
but he's had to do it becauseof the lack of talent in front of
him, right and that Yes,he's fast as hell, but we're also
at this position because of the factthat they're they're they're having him play this

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way. He's a he's a system. He does not mind playing in a
system. He doesn't mind playing inthe pocket, but the ship's like so
inconsistent with the whole team. He'sa top ten rusher in the NFL.
It's nice, it's been fun.It's been nice to see the offensive output
we've had, in the scoring we'vehad. It was fun, but it

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wasn't sustainable. I felt that waythe whole time, and I just want
to see he needs an opportunity,if he can come back healthy, to
start passing more like he I'd liketo see that this season in a season
that at this point is meaningless.The meaningful the meaningful reps and trying to
get the passing game going, whichgets he seemed to be willing to do

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on the scripted ship with Trevor andit was a pretty simple passing plan.
I just it's not I don't think. I don't think that's anything above what
Justin can do that, you knowwhat I mean. It's just I want
to see him to be able topass more by the end of this season,
and as long as that happens andwe see some steps forward there,

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I would say it's a success.I thought it was about justin the whole
season. He's got all the upsidein the world, which I just want
to I just want his reps tobe meaningful because we know he can run.
That's already been proven, so let'smove on to the next thing,
but hopefully, and I don't wanthim to get killed in the pocket either
though. It's just like I thinkthat's where you could point a finger out

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and say that there's definitely coaching regressionthere. Larry Boorn was coming in with
the thought that he could be astarting right tackle and could hold it down.
He's never looked as worse as he'slooked in the last been He looks
bad. Tevin Jenkins has been upand down with injuries in and out.
We don't know, we had allthe mental shit that was going back and

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forth between Fluce and him or whateverPatrick's reported. Lucas Patrick never showed Sam
must for once again, sadly,I have to say that he's performed better
than expected. He has. He'snot good, but I didn't expect good.

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You know, he's it. CodyWhitehair's coming off the injury in the
uh, he looks. None ofthem look great. Officiles looks like regression.
Where's your boy, leather one?You know what, now's the time.
If it's a real deal and youwanted to make this move and you

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signed this guy, You're out ofthe playoffs, you're down to tackle.
You're not exposing your franchise quarterback rightnow either, So why not throw on
that there with Trevor in there andgive him some You're gonna play sco Field.
You're gonna put Scofield out it rightbecause Reef is hurt too. So
I mean, now's the time.If you're ever gonna do anything with Ox

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Leatherwood, this is the time todo it. If you're not, then
just move on, cut him,be done with it. Let somebody else
deal with that ship. You don'tthink justin play Sunday, I don't know.
I don't see if there's any reasonfor him too other than the rivalry
game. And I don't especially Mooneybeing out now too. Just it's not

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it's not even a rivalry anymore.It's not it's not. No. But
you just see j Hurts jam nearbreak Justin single game rushing record three weeks
after Justin broke it. Yeah,you don't want him playing that way.
Yeah, that's the other side ofthe coin. You don't want him running
that much, just coming back inhis first game back. I don't disagree,

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just for the sake of the game. You know, football players play
football, right. There's that sayingyeah, and there's also the saying that
coaches protect football players from themselves.That's exactly what they need to continue to
do. And the line besides themtying us for the most wins in NFL
history, Yeah, exactly exact,you're super Bowl you know a super Bowl,

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bro. Yeah, that's not beinga super Bowl for me like ten
years ago, right, playing inthe fact that I was like, yeah,
I'm coming out because we're not mathematicallyeliminated, we're not dead yet.
Wouldn't it be awesome? We don'thave to dud Trevor Simeon led Bear's team

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beat them because then to put thefucking final nail and the Aaron Rodgers,
who's getting to him? Dude,I think the Habuoka juice or whatever the
hell he drank is the one thatput that nail on the coffin. Yeah,
not enough acid, but for thatexperimental like COVID shot he got in

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British Columbia or whatever the fuck.Yeah, did you see that interview by
the way, that got released fromDeshaan Kaiser that he gave. Yeah about
dude, Yeah, it's like that. Okay, So Deshauan Kaiser said,
the first interaction he had with AaronRodgers, he came to the door and
Aaron said, hey, man,uh, do you believe in nine eleven?

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And de Shaan's like, wait whath Yeah, you know who doesn't
believe in nine to eleven? AndRogers said, you know, you should
read up on that man. Andapparently he believes in like lizard people under
the crust of the earth and justa bunch of weird, weird shit.
No wonder is mamado leg But yeah, going back to what I and I'm

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gonna go against Diddy and say thatI think this season has been a success.
I think going into this year therewas three categories of guys that I
wanted to see, uh, youknow, if they can be building blocks
for twenty twenty three and moving forward. First, obviously, it's justin fields,
and while the passing hasn't been there, part of it from his development

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standpoint, part of it from wedon't have the offensive line to run.
You know, there's a couple differentvariables that play there, but justin fields.
But I think we've we've seen,you know, they've been able to
Floyd his second best strength this muchimagine what we can do with his first
best strength coming out of college asas way more of a pastor than he

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ever was as a runner. Ithink we've seen enough to where there is
there is belief that he can bethat guy, and I think if I
was betting, I would bet thathe does become a better pastor um,
especially as they add more around him. The other two categories of players that
I would say are are they buildingblocks that we've seen success from? Are

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holdover players within the last two threeyears from the Pace regime, Guys like
a Cole Comet who I think haveshown you with opportunities, he can be
a productive guarding kide end in thisleague. He had six was a sixty
two receptions a year before. Yeah, with with not so great quarterback play.

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Again, so just there was athere was a couple left over from
pace where like Herbert and come atguys that you wanted to see. Okay,
can they be guys here with thisnew staff. I think we've seen
yes on some of those guys.And then the rookies coming in. Yeah,
I know we clown Vilis and you'renever going to get every pick right,

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but as a whole from this draftclass, his first one, yeah,
I think he's done a pretty decentjob. So those three categories,
you know, all the guys likethose don't matter to me. It was
we should overs and just them.We shouldn't call them starters necessarily. I

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think just because they're starting for ourteam does not make them an NFL starter.
True, but we have two legitstarters I think who could start elsewhere,
which would be that would be JaquanBrisker and Trenton Gill on the whole
team. Of course, out ofthe draft picks, Braxton Jones still needs

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work. I think Braxon Jones isterrific value for where you've drafted, and
I just can't safely say that hewould be a guaranteed starter on another team.
Kyler Gordon, same way. Ifyou're drafting a punter, did it
was he was? And I forgetwas he was like a late draft pick?
Correct? Yes, he was asix round draft pick. If you
draft a punter and they're not starting, you're really fucked up. You've seen

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teams draft punters who haven't been drafted, kickers that haven't been good. I
still think you see the talent.Yes, it's not maybe not hard to
scout a punter, but you seethe talent there. I'm just saying he
is a guy that legit could gostart for other teams right now. I
don't think you can say the samething for Braxon Jones or you know,
Dominique Robinson or um. Definitely nottrusting Ebner Jones, definitely not Valis Jones.

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And then I don't even know ifyou count Sandborn in there since he
was an undrafted free agent. Sojust a guy that's just in the right
place, and I Kyler Gordon questionsa lot of questions, still, don't
I don't think you can safely sayhe would be starting for another team,
so I would safely say two starters. But you've gotten guys that have played

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like like a Braxon Jones, notperfect, but he's at least played meaningful
reps and you've seen some good there. Based on that value, I think
that's a solid win. Just whenI looked at like going into the season,
it's just about, okay, isJustin Is he going to be the
guy? I think we're leaning moretowards yes than no. Right now.

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It's trending a positive direction. Butyes, it is bittersweet in the sense
that we've exploited his running ability,but his best ability we have yet to
even tap into, which if theykeep running on the way they are,
we're never going to be able toalso fair. But I think that that's
my frustration. So, like yousee all these other quarterbacks going for three

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hundred yards and I know Justin's capableof it. It's not a question whether
or not he's capable of it.It's just this fucking team can never have
the pieces in place to let aquarterback develop property properly. Whether it's the
coaching, whether it's the fucking offensiveline, the wide receiver talent, it's
always fucking something. You got theguy that that really he's he's he's a

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franchise quarterback talent. There's no questionabout that. This was a guy in
college that was a dominant pastor,that ran when he had to. Now
he's running as a first time basicallya first option because this shit's so fucking
cluster working around him, and itjust pissed me off, man like,
and I don't want that to ruinhis development. So like, if he

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ends up getting injured because of theship, because he's trying to take the
world on his shoulders. Literally,he's putting window dressing on this pile of
shit we have on offense. Tisfrom college though. I'm just telling you,
Garrett Wilson stud Rysselbeck stud show collegeshowing me a quarterback that was in

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that draft that didn't have stud widereceivers in college. Let's see dde uh
Trevor Lawrence, Yes, necessarily did. I'm talking about Rogers College. He
was very good. Yeah, I'mnot talking about translating to the NFL.
Had had some wide receiver talent theyright, damn he hayting on. No,

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I'm just saying that Matt Jones atBama freaking go go through the list
they have. They have talented playersall around them at top programs. Didn't
Trevor Lawrence play with T Higgins therefor a year or two? He probably
did. Yeah, Yes, OhioState has very good wide receivers. They're

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very very good those. They hada very good offensive line. I'm just
saying, you know, that's somethingwe need to keep in perspective. Now
you've brought up something speaking about widereceivers and Chase Claypool and the second round
draft pick. You got a prettygood tweet their biscuits. I want you
to kind of revisit that. Sookay, and I think I do think

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there needs to be like maybe tweaksto it in terms of like top half
of the second round where the pickis going to be, as I just
did the full second round. Butso in the last ten years, there
have been fifty two wide receivers orfifty one wide receivers drafted in the second

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round. And I just went kindof year by year and I only found
I think eleven that I think youcan say are definitively better than Chase Claypool.
So the question is you know,out of fifty one guys, if
you're only finding eleven better, isthe sure thing commodity with three years of
development under his bell Knowing that JustinFields needs a guy that can come in

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and play right away and not haveto wait for that sort of rookie development
to get through. Is that worththe value of the second round pick?
Knowing that he needs to be moreinvolved in the offense, knowing that he
needs to obviously show more, isthat worth it? And looking at it,

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I would say chances are in thesecond round you're probably not going to
draft a guy as good as him. At the gate, I would agree
with that statement. In this particulardraft, I agree. I don't think
it's that deep at wide receiver.And if you look at free agency,
I think you would spend more financiallythan that draft pick might be worth for
a lower quality player too than thefree agent draft wide receivers and not good.

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No, we went through that earlier. Yeah, and this kid,
this kid has the potential. Hehas the body type and potential. I
don't know if he'll ever tap intoit fully because he really needs to develop
better as a route runner. He'smore of a straight up fifty fifty guy
at this point in my opinion.But if the talents there, I think

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because of his experience in the NFL, he's much better than a second round
pick you would get out of collegecoming in because it takes time to develop.
Correct. So, and the factthat we have another second round pick
anyway, so we're still in thesecond round, and and I'm gonna throw
a shade Steeler Station, fuck offwith your bullshit that you that you fleeced

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us because we continue to see thesefucking tweets. I have Steeler friends that
are Steeler fans, that are friends, and they keep sending me they should
I'm like, listen, man,this is a situation. Oh, Cleypool's
not producing what fucking wide receiver roundthis team is? Like, seriously,
consistently, I think Mooney leads ateam with four ninety three, like nobody's
lighting the world on fire. Thesecond leading receiver is and correct me if

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I'm wrong here, Biscuits, you'rethe stats guys at like fourteen receptions by
Saint Brown for the team for one, it's like four. It's not team
for one. Five. I thinkI'm just saying, man, it's not
like wide receivers are not eating here, so it's it's not a fair freaking
copy. You can can tell youdon't really know what's going on with this
team right now. It's not Claypool'sfault that he's not involved. They've finally

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got him in this game. Ithink against the Jets he was like in
for sixty seven percent of the snaps. It's also opportunity share too, right,
so it's not only snaps, butit's also how many times her trawling
pass plays. I mean, theseguys are asking to be offensive linemen.
Essentially they're blocking their ass They're tryingto block their asses off. Yeah,
so I'm fine with the with thetrade. There's completely fine because if Claypool

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was a free agent, he'd bethe top guy. So after Darnell Mooney,
it's uh, Cole Comet with twentynine catchesis though, oh that yeah?
And then it's definitely Saint brand withfourteen fteen ven Montgomery has the third
most catches on this team right now. We've been there before. Yeah,

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but the countries. No Matt Fortethough he's he's like a Kirkland Forte and
he runs hard man, but it'sdoes he does run really hard. I
think there's a role for him ata certain value. But oh yeah,
you're not paying him time. Ijust don't made you see the free agent
running back market that is going tobe a stacked class. So there's a

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good chance that David Montgomery is backhere on a short term, minimal money
deal. I think if you puthim with a top offensive line, though
it's a different story, I thinkhe would be much more productive. I
mean, yeah, for sure,he just doesn't have that home run speed.
That jfense doesn't look the same withoutCleo Herber doesn't. Someone was saying

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that earlier this this year. Oh, we won't miss him. It's fine,
okay, yeah, all right,wing out for you can't pass block
anyways. Yeah. So so andhe goes to the game at all?
Really yeah? Uh Mike White,No, he's cuck from Joe Montana statish

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you can't do there? Did thathurt? Honestly to see Mike White through
for three hundred yards just with likeease yess, yes, brutal. Can't
even turn him over, guys,just I mean, he was just he
was just playing Stockton man. Hewas just a point guard. Yeah,
and guys are guys are getting openloves and dumps. That's what that was

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all about. He's lobbing it upand they were throwing it down. Yeah,
it was. It was brutal.Do you guys know who Zonovan Night
is? Sixty nine yards of him? Right? I had never heard of
Zonovan White in my life. Yeah, just wait, it's gonna get better

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this week. More shade these networks. You know, when a Bears game
is going bad, and it neverfucking fails, they have to bring up
our quarterback history, right, thetwenty seven starting key be since two thousands,
this is a second most that popsup on my TV and then never
had a quarterback. They were forthirty touchdowns in a season. They just
start like fucking yeah, like weknow we're getting our ass kicked, man,

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Come on, Like it never fails. They always have to bring up
our fucking past, and like,I'm just so fucking sick of it,
dad, But you know how muchtime it saves them Every year they're like,
ah, get the Bears quarterback reelout, you know, less content
they have to create. At leastwe didn't get the graphic of every every

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quarterback space that we freaking had.You know what I mean, Ye,
Colins Earth would break that shit outthough, and it fuck him too.
So like I'm watching I'm watching thePhilly Green Bay game, and he's not
very faithful to Aaron Rodgers. Assoon as came in he started sucking him
off too, right, It's justlike a Green Bay thing. He's like,

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oh so poy and my dude,the Christian Watson thing's killing me though.
That was that was my like draftcrush bro, Like, yeah,
I have a real chance of gethim. It's easier for me watching Jalen
Tolbert to absolutely nothing. Yeah,I wondered, Watson man. Whatever we

(38:30):
got Vayliss, We're good. Soanyway, so right now, we're at
the point of the season. We'reright now as it stands. Second pick
overall. Draft Network did mock draftthat I normally don't even want to touch
when I read it, so thatthey had Houston picking Bryce Young at at

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one, Chicago picking Will Anderson theed from BAM at two, and then
Detroit picking Jalen Carter interior defensive linemanfrom Georgia's Seattle, Tyree Wilson edge from
Texas Tech, and then Pittsburgh BroderickJones, offensive tackle from Georgia. So
those are like the top five picks. I'm just saying that, because positions
are going to shift a little bit, we're probably going to be in the

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top five back. That's what everybody'ssaying, right, But how often are
we in the first round? Likehow often do we hit on first round
picks? But why not the topoffensive tackle in the draft? Why not
the top edge one of the topperiod units of linement. You might still
do all positions of need. Youmight still be able to get that player

(39:35):
in the top five jare So somebody'sgonna want a quarterback, So hold on,
there's no quarterback worth trading up intothe top five. Bryce Young is
going to be the guy as captainof the trade back train because you know,
I love me some trading back,and for a team with a lot
of holes, it makes a lotof sense. It always comes down to

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two fundamental principles. A. Areyou passing up on a generational talent by
moving back? Based on your board? Are you moving off into a range
where you're no longer going to geta generational player? If if, if
you have a chance at that kindof guy. I love trading back and
you have a lot of holes,but you got to take that guy.
You take the talent when it's thereor there too. Instant shade, instant

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shade. Generational player. The peoplethat say generational player for not everybody can
be a generational player. It's like, oh, correct, I don't think
hold on, hold on now thatthat's but that's your evaluation of the guy.
If you think you've identified three guysin a draft that are generational can't

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miss prospects, then you take them. You don't trade back if you're in
a position to grab one. Youdefine generational based on their evaluation if they
is. Yeah, I wouldn't saylike a guy like Jamal Adams who was
taking at what four overall, hewasn't generational. Jamal Adams is a really

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good safety, but he wasn't.No, they were HIPing him up that
way in the draft. No,they were hypening up that of course,
but not every team had a gradeon Jamal Adams that had him that high
or a generational type player, solidten year, guaranteed starter, all pro.
Sure, I think there's a differencebetween all pro and and you know
one or two generational not generational.But most people didn't see that. Well,

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I mean that happens every draft,though there's always I know. I'm
just saying that the term generational andgets thrown around pretty loosely. All right,
let's use top prospects, so Jareddoesn't get off. Okay, if
you think you have a chance ata can't miss ten year, a great
player, starter guy, you canbuild a guy you could build around generational,

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but go ahead, Yeah, butyou gotta take that guy. You
don't trade back. Now, ifyou're bored. Let's say where you're at,
there is no guy like that,and you have the same value on
players three through ten, the samegrade on that, then it doesn't hurt
you to move back to six orseven because you're getting equal value and you
have a multitude of choices that willstill be available for you to pick from.

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So it always depends on those twothings for me the way I look
at it. So do you seethat? But I'm always team trade back.
Let's go. I mean, ifyou can trade it, say we
end up at two and you cantrade to, say six, and you
pick up another second. This iswhat this is what I would say.

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Again, I am I don't proclaimto be a you know draft expert.
I love the draft. It's myfavorite. I'm not like a tape junkie
breaking down. I'm not going tosit here and tell you who's gonna be
the best players. I'll get intoit more than like February. But if
for the Bears, if at twothey feel like, let's say, what

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is it Jalen Carter or was itWill Anderson the other one? Yeah,
if they think one of those twoguys is what we just define generational,
solid, ten years starter, whateveryou want to say, then no,
I'm probably not making that trade.I'm taking that guy. It's at a
position of a high position of needand you think you can grab a guy

(43:30):
ten year. Sure you can tradeback and you get two more swings at
it, but there's it's still acrapshoot. If you have conviction that that
guy is that guy, you stayput and you take him, and maybe
there's another opportunity to draft, tomove back when the value on your board
is the same for ten guys thatyou have as your top ten. And

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I haven't looked at Roderick Jones,the offensive tackle from Georgia, but if
he is a solid tackle, I'dbe fine. There too. If we
ended up at five where they predicthim getting picked, is he rated higher
than what's that guy's name Scronsky?I am not sure, man. This
is just a draft Network had forthe top five. I haven't really dealed
into any from Northwestern or Yes,I believe so. I think I have

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not watched a lick of college footballor except Coastal. No. They have
with the Ravens pick right now,they have us at fifty six and they're
this, I don't know how youhow they do a two round mock this
early, but they had us draftingat at fifty six. Xavier Hutchinson,
a wide receiver out of Iowa State, blend of size, physicality, ball

(44:36):
skills were oute, running athleticism sixtythree two oh five. Yeah no,
but I saw some stuff on himand he did look solid. I would
be happy if they were able toget a guy like that and that at
that point in the draft. Butyeah, I've seen guys bock drafts for
weeks now and it's absolutely so.We got five games left just actually looking

(45:00):
into who who people are trying tomock the top five because he was completely
justified. Man. I like seeingthose type of mock drafts way more than
like the fan mock drafts on Twitter. Yeah, like you you've done like
and I'm guilty of it, butyou'll trade you know, the second overall
pick for picks for like they endup having eight picks in the first round.

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It's like, I don't want tosee that. It's late enough ship
college season to start seeing who peopleare predicting in the top five, and
we're going to be in that runge. So that's the only reason I looked
it up. Yeah, I saw. I've seen Will Anderson. I've seen
Will Anderson play a bunch. Thedude has a freaking motor man. I
don't know if I don't know ifhe's if he's got a motor enough to
be a defensive end in this defense. He might end up being an outside

(45:45):
linebacker in this defense. But I'mfine. I'm fine with that too.
He say he's a little bit light, right, he's I want to see
six four two four, he's alinebacker size. But if he's a freak.
You know, we've heard, we'veheard the knock on guys under eyes
like Aaron Donald. Well, I'mjust saying that sometimes there's a guy that
just kind of wont him Los Angelesright now too, that it was six

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for word, Yeah, the Tweeners, so he could be that guy.
I haven't done enough there though.Uh, dude has produced a lot of
tackles from losses, a lot ofpressures, a lot of sacks. True
big time talent too that he's goingup against every week. And Carter's a

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beast too, can be. He'sbeen hurt, so we're just they're just
now getting a good look at him. He's missed a couple of weeks,
so we'll see. Sad thing isis that we are going have to talk
about this with almost a month offootball left. Yeah, but in free
agency too, there's there's a coupleof offensive lineman I want to mind here,

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Orlando Brown junior and Orlando Brown wassupposed to be that was the same
dream. Did he draft for GM? Did he in the chat? Like
dude, we we sat there andassembled just all these guys were in the
same draft. Brown was in thesame draft. Mglunchie was in the same

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draft. Nelson was in the samedraft. Sa Quon Barthy was in the
same draft. Orlando Brown. Youget McGlinchey here, you got Fluce here,
maybe Que demands a trade. Ididn't see m and we need a
center. So all we need isa center of grizz at tackle, probably

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a guard, interior, defensive lineman, defensive ends. I want to ask
Jars the three. I want toask Jair's opinion on this, and I
think did he It was you?You flow to the idea, not that
you were completely sold on it,but didn't you float out the idea of
if let's say you made some movesin free agency like that moving Cody White

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here to center? He'd been upgradesto Mustafer. Probably, I don't.
I don't know where he's at physically, though. Are we picking up?
Are we bowling? Are we playingcenter? Because if we're bowling, yeah,
give me some White center. Doyou think the snap issues are real?

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Center? Okay, I'm just curiousthat curious to your opinion. And
he played it but not well inmy opinion? All are you just draft
the center? Oh? We did, but we moved him to guard.
Yeah, there you go. Hewas so young and he's still playing pretty

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well at guard too. Yeah.I hear he's playing pretty well there in
Pittsburgh. He goes, I'm alittle highlight reel going up there. Sure
does so. Yeah, yeah,picker's game. We even care you want
to do scorpor adictions. Yeah,I'm good. Oh, by the way,
my go to the game was GregZerline. That was my good at

(49:08):
the game. That was pretty impressivein the rain. Yeah, just fifty
three in the rain to him.That's why he got That's why he's lost
his job more than he said it. Yeah, damn Jared rough on the
on the kickers, man, heyjesus, all right, so yeah,

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I picked Demo for go to thegame. He played hard. I guess
you got their checks. The importingthere too. Really, I'm just I
worry about his stats being inflated becausethe defense around him so bad that he
don't opportunity. I thought the onething I saw this past week that I

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saw him at least three or fourtimes and slipped through blocks. Yeah,
and he's got he's got good instinctsto the football where now, yeah,
I think the sideline the sideline speed. You've maybe seen a couple of plays
where it's like, okay, maybehe does have enough speed to do it.
I don't know, man, He'searned his his his chance to start

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again next year and twenty seven thousanddollars. That's a great value he's at.
He's kind of all over the field, especially for a guy playing in
the middle. Like the fact thatthe defensive line in front of him is
bad. It's actually showing you thathe's even better than anticipated because he's keeping

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himself clean with all the bullshit infront of him, and he's involved in
a lot of plays, so alwayswhere he needs to be with the balls.
If you're impressive when the guys infront of you aren't doing their job,
that's impressive. I agree. True, that's what makes Briskers season this
year all the more impressive. BriskersBriskers, that dude question, d all

(51:00):
right, let's pick this game Bears. I have the Packers coming in.
I don't know who's playing quarterback.Bro doesn't matter. I don't think it
matters too much. If I sawyou it was justin fields versus Jordan Love,
would you be more prone to pickthe Bears. No, your hesivation

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should answer that question. I don'tknow where he's at physically, man,
it's hard. It's I don't knowif he's gonna come out cautious. I
don't know if he does play,so I have no idea. I think
the only benefit of playing him atthis point is with Mooney down, you're
maybe forcing that relationship with Claypool alittle bit more to build upon at the

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end of the year before next year. But I don't think that outweighs the
injury risk there to rush him backthis quick. I say, you said,
I'm let Trevor go, and Imean beating green Bay this year is
is what what is that doing foryou besides worsening your draft pick twenty eight

(52:06):
ten green Bay? I want thatnumber two draft pick. I'll take it.
I'll take you even bigger spread thanthat thirty eight to seven. Oh
god, how it was thirty oneto ten against the fucking Jets. You
don't think Aaron Rodgers is going tocarve us up. I think the Jets

(52:29):
offense is better and I think thePackers defense is worse. Yeah, I
don't think Rodgers is in shape tocarve anything. Says honestly, I ain't
gonna lie though, when it forsomething like the matter over the years,
like an Aaron Rodgers slump is notreally a slump. But even in like
the last game, he didn't playso hot, And you're like, I
don't know. Is Rodgers maybe fadinga couple of weeks here. He would

(52:51):
always come right back against Oh,we're to get right for every quarterback exactly,
Mike White through three hundred yards.Yeah, we're gonna make Rogers look
so good that it's gonna quiet allthe love speculation, and he'll be like,
oh my thought, you know,I drank something and my thumb felt
better and blah blah blah. I'drather see You'd love. To be honest,

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I don't really care. Our defensewill make him look like a fucking
god. Yeah, we've done thisto Prentley. It doesn't matter like it.
We're used to this ship. Yeah, but there's a certain element of
Jordan Love coming in and playing welland then hearing Packers fans bitch that they
have their guy for the next fifteenyears that I just don't want to fucking

(53:34):
hear. I think that's even funny, dude. No, I don't know
Peter butt Plug talking for a fulleight months about how Jordan's Love is the
next guy. Just mute his ass, the that hairy forearm bastard keeps appearing.
Mute him anyways, Go ahead,jer go ahead. Your score prediction

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Oh, I'm gonna go Green Baythirty Bears twenty Oh we scored twenty points.
Yes, Trevor suns back and scorestwenty over under yardage for Christian Watson

(54:24):
over over whatever number I throw outevery point out there, I'm taking the
over. Oh for all sign itaight five oh over. He's definitely going
over a bill. Okay, Itake the over too. I'm gonna say

(54:46):
he's got one hundred and ten yardsand two touchdowns and we hate him for
it, and did he did?He's we gotta do a wellness check on
did he No? I'm good manof that game. Going through Twitter,
I'm talking about when Watson goes forone ten and two touchdowns. He's doing

(55:07):
what I expected him to do,so it's not for the team I expected
him. I wanted to be onthis guy Jason on Twitter. He has
two accounts. I was just sayingit would have been nice to pick up
my homes at three instead of tradingup for Mitch back in the day to
a comment about something about the RussellWilson trade not happening. We were just

(55:29):
talking shit and he chimes in itgoes Mahomes wouldn't have developed through to do
clears to do with those, andlike it's got like all these people started
chiming in with likes, like I'mtired of these fifteen year old kids on
Twitter, bro, I'm tired ofit. And then he and then he
came at me with another account.It's just like Twitter, so whack,
bro, I can't even do itanymore. The following the footsteps of my

(55:53):
boy and just get rid of myaccount. All right, Well that happy
positive note. It was just Iwas just trying to get AA to hop
on here and give us his histhree minute a breakdown. But I imagine
that went to hell in a handbagreal quick. We'll uh no, he

(56:15):
is retired, he said from podcasting. All right, on that note,
we will leave you. Yeah,And that's just another episode of the Tailga
Show. Du the second round picklooking round man, Dude, I've had

(56:35):
a mad thing with numbers tonight.I butchered the Claypool tweet, butchered that.
I'm just gonna say the fuck this, This season's over. I'm done,
and God what they want season