November 7, 2025 • 55 mins
The Devon and The Duke podcast is BACK with an explosive new episode following last week's viral bombshell!
WWE Hall of Famer Devon Dudley and Duke Loves Rasslin dive headfirst into the fallout from Devon's revelation about Jim Ross's past racist remarks—a story that has dominated wrestling discussion and social media.
Devon sets his sights on AEW's Tony Khan and QT Marshall, delivering a message that is pure, unadulterated fire: "They both can kiss my ass!"
Duke highlights how the viral story resonated deeply with listeners, demonstrating the widespread desire to hear how a legend like Devon tackles serious, real-life challenges. While Devon clarifies that he has forgiven Jim Ross, he remains steadfast that he will never speak to him again.
Plus, the guys give a special shout-out, reflect on a tragic loss, and plug a must-see documentary!
💥 Episode Highlights:
Calling Out AEW's Top Brass: Devon Dudley directs an explosive message at Tony Khan and QT Marshall!
The Viral Fallout: Addressing the massive reaction to the Jim Ross story and the importance of speaking up about real-life challenges.
Forgiveness vs. Relationship: Devon reveals his current stance on Jim Ross—forgiveness, but no future communication.
Devon's Beef with QT Marshall: Devon makes his feelings crystal clear: "I don't like QT Marshall and QT can't do a damn thing about it!"
Shout-Out: A special shout-out to rising WWE Evolve star, Aria Bennett.
Remembering a Star: Reflecting on the legacy and tragic passing of Hana Kimura.
Must-Watch Content: Plug for Devon Dudley's incredible documentary about his retirement match, available on his YouTube channel.
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Brothers and sisters, welcome back.
Welcome back to another excitingedition of the Devon and the
Duke Podcast. This is a limited edition series
hosted by your main man. Duke loves wrestling and of
course the five time Hall of Famer, The YouTube sensation,
the man that keeps going viral, brother Devon Dudley.
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What's going on there, Devon? Sitting here home, I'm actually
washing my filter out from my pool.
I went out there and realized that the waterfall wasn't going
on. Of course I'm thinking, oh shit,
more money, here we go, I gotta pay to get this fixed.
It seems like when one thing breaks down, everything breaks
down. But that's but that's not the
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case, right? Were you able to get to get it
all fixed and straightened up? Well, as we're talking right
now, I'm being the filter. Got it.
Got. It but and my daughter's home.
My my one daughter the youngest one at home or those pics.
She wasn't feeling well, so I had to keep her home.
Good luck to the filter for sure.
Listen, man, I it is, it is crazy to, I can't even say the
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week that you've had because you've been having a crazy year.
But since we last record, you have gone viral at least four
separate times. There have been at least seven
different articles written aboutthat one episode.
Just crazy through the roof. And thank you to everybody who,
who has been so interested in and, and, and so serious about
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this show and what D1 has to sayand, and my analysis and what
have you, you guys really made that happen for us and we
appreciate it. So we're going to dig into some
of that stuff in a moment. But before we even get to that,
folks, if you haven't already, Ineed you to head over to the
Devon Dudley YouTube channel. OK, Stop everything you're
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doing. Head over to the channel.
Obviously hit subscribe if you don't subscribe yet and you got
to check it out. The last table, an unreal
documentary on my last match versus the Hardy Boys.
Without a doubt, the absolute definitive Devon Dudley
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documentary. There was nothing that had that
could capture the emotion. There's nothing that can capture
the man behind the character. There's nothing that can capture
the the relationship that the Dudley Boys have that that that
Devon has with the Hardys. There's nothing that that has
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ever captured the realism of whoDevon Dudley is historically in
pro wrestling. Then this documentary, which is
on Devon's YouTube channel, The Last Table and unreal
documentary on my last match versus the Hardy Boys.
It is top shelf, no question. Devon, you, you, you told me
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that you've watched it a few times, man.
I mean, what do you think of this piece of work here?
I mean, before we started filming, I was watching it
again. I was very impressed.
I mean, the way my guys did everything.
I mean, we talked about it before shooting it.
I mean, weeks before weeks leading up to the match.
And I was just like, yeah, yeah,yeah, OK, yeah, we'll do it, you
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know? And we started filming and you
know, I was. Just like, all right, well,
let's just do this. Let's just.
Make this really good, you know,give them exactly what they
want, you know? And I did that and man, then it
turned out great. It's, it's it, man.
I mean, if anyone says to me, you know, I, I want you to show
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me Devon Dudley in, in, in a, ina short package here.
I'll give you 38 minutes to showme who Devon Dudley is.
I'll show them this. That's who the man is.
Those are his values. This is his career.
This is how he treats his family.
This is how much the fans Reverehim.
This is how his peers Revere himlike.
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This is it. This is who this man is.
And you know, I'm like every other, you know, guy out there.
I mean, you know, I, I don't want people to think I'm, I'm
holier than thou. Well, because I'm not.
I make mistakes just like the next man do, you know, just like
the next man does. And, you know, I want people to
be aware of that, but I want, I want people to know that I try
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to live my life accordingly, theway I should, the way God thinks
I should. And that's it.
I don't preach to people. I try to let make them, you
know, follow my values or what have you.
Again, I've fallen just like thenext man.
I've done, I've done things I'm not proud of, but yet I, you
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know, I'm human and it happens. Stuff like that happens, you
know, I try to live my life, like I said, accordingly, the
way God would want me to. Sometimes I do, sometimes I
don't. I slipped.
Hey, you know, the Attitude Era was a big era for a lot of
people. I think that's what I did most
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of my dirt, but. And I say that because, you
know, going out, having a good time, you know, just partying
and, you know, having drinks andthings like that, doing what
everybody normally would do, youknow, in the business.
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Well, yes, I'm like the, I'm just like you.
I'm like the next man, you know,I enjoy what I do.
I enjoy my family, I enjoy my friends.
And I just like to go out there and have a good time, you know,
that's it. I'm not asking anybody to follow
me or in my footsteps or something like that.
I'm not trying to preach, like Isaid, anybody or they'll make
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them think that I'm holding themnow because I'm far from that.
But I like it that it showed my emotional side, the way I am
with my kids, my family. You know, the biggest thing if
anybody knows me is my kids. I mean from parents in Terrell,
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the oldest at 30, the DJ, Amaya and Thalia, 75 and night and 23
months. You know I love them and I give
my life for them. Well, that much is is is clear.
It's on display. There's no question about it,
especially in this documentary, The Last Table, an unreal
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documentary on my last match versus the Hardy Boys.
I, I, there was one part that I really, really loved, not
because of what was said, but more so just because of the body
language. When Mustafa Ali came into the
locker room and he was telling astory about how, you know, him
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and some of the other guys were coming up with all these fancy
moves that they're going to do in their match and this and that
they're going to be doing this high spot and all that.
And you say, hey, guys, just remember, if it's time to cut
time, your match is going to be the first way to get cut and,
and, and busted, you know, and that humbled those guys because
it reminded them that you're part of a, a bigger picture
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here. And it's not all about you
exactly, you know, but the body language when Mustafa was
telling that story is what I waspaying attention to most and
paying attention to your body language as well.
And what I saw in that is somebody who tremendously
appreciates and respects you andclearly has not forgetting
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lessons that he's learned from you through the years and how
important that is. Because, you know, Mustafa now
is a top guy. You know, he's, he's one of the
top stars in TNA and what have you.
So clearly he paid attention to what you said and, and, and has
carried that on and is now even passing it down his own damn
self. I thought that was really cool,
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man. Yeah, he's always giving me the
respect because he said I helpedhim out a lot, you know, because
when some producers, when they go into doing what they're
doing, they don't give explanations.
They don't say anything to you guys.
These guys are lost. And then they mess up and then
they get blamed. It's like, how do you get mad at
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them when they don't know? So that I find them that I find
it for me to say something to these guys and let them know
what time it was. Absolutely.
I didn't want to see them get hurt.
I didn't want to see them get. Fired or.
Lose money or can't feed their family because you know, the
boss got mad. Didn't want that, you know, I
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went out there and made sure that these guys did exactly what
Vince expected them to do and nothing more, nothing less.
And they praise you for it. That's, that's the part that
just really, it's cool, man. It's cool.
It's really. Listen, there's some people that
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I've taught over the years that have listened and benefited from
it, and there's other people that just downright
disrespectful, you know, and they can say what they want,
but. A lot of them should.
Think that thank me because a lot of times Bubba didn't like
them. You.
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Know and Bubba would have killedthem, but you know they forget
that part. How quickly they forget it's
true. It's.
True. There's always those in the
bunch. There's always those, you know,
Devon, talk to me about some these guys Michael Wands over
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and and Nick Pappas. They represent just hit record
media and they've been your yourdocumentarians throughout this
journey. They're the guys helping you out
with the YouTube and all this good stuff.
And certainly with this piece. Talk to me about the
significance of those guys because from where I stand, they
did a fantastic job. They've done a great job period
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throughout the whole journey with these guys.
You know, they, they know what to do.
They know how to do it. And you know, like I tell them
sometimes I'm like, look, I got visions too, you know, and I
would like to express and sometimes the fight with them,
you know, to do that and this and that.
And sometimes they're in it. I'll give you a prime example we
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had, they had an idea, right? You know, the whole Bubba Maven
interview, they had a whole ideaabout doing something where we
want to go over TLC matches and other matches and things like
that. And I told him a long time ago,
I said, I don't want to do that anymore.
I said if it helped us out when we first started, I said, but
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believe, believe it or not, I'd rather do something more like a
an enemy, like a Joe Rogan or, you know, I got Oprah Winfrey,
Phil Donahue, Geraldo, you know,I want to get more in depth, not
just talking about things that are just the same thing over and
over again. There's only so many times you
can talk about the TLC match, you know, and get viewerships.
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I mean, sure, we can remind people of things that we didn't
probably say before, but still, how many more times can you do
it? And they were like, no, no, we
think this is the best. And I was like, guys, you're
missing the boat here. And I remember saying that to
them and they kind of pushed me to the side and said, look, you
guys know better than I do, but I'm just.
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Telling you and I remember we get the columns restaurant and
we're sitting down and Maven of course got there 45 minutes
late, which we exposed on the show.
Damn you Maven. And we basically Bubba goes, all
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right, So what are we doing? And Nick and Mike said something
to him and he goes absolutely not, I'm not doing it.
I was like, I told y'all, I toldyou you wouldn't want to do it.
And he was like, why? Nick was like, why not?
Nick is always the ballsy one. He's like, he wants to get an
answer and he's like, why not? He's like, it's the same
bullshit that we've been doing for years.
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People know about this stuff. They don't care about that stuff
really. I mean, they care about it, but
it's not going to turn heads. It's not going to make a person
want to hit the button to click on to see how we did things in
the TLC match when they've already heard it 1000 times.
And that's where the concept changed for the show where we
changed it and started getting real.
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And one of the things that I wanted to do was I wanted to
have Maven on there to be the interviewer.
Like it wasn't Mavens podcast, but it was mine.
But I suggested, I said, I want Maven to do what I said, if
anybody that Bubba respects, if anybody that I respect and Bubba
respects, he respects Maven. I was like, and you know, Maven
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won't pull a wool over nobody's head.
I said, you know, I'd rather have Maven and then he's like,
well, maybe you could do a Devon.
I said, no. I said, I get what you're
saying. I was like, but I I don't want
to interview him. I said, I want to, I want both
of us to be on the hot seat. I want both of us to be able to
have to answer the tough questions that have never been
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answered before. Maven agree with me and Bubba
Khan agree with me because he was, he was feeling the same
thing on the lines of what Nick and Mike were thinking that I
would interview him. He was like, that's different,
Yvonne. He was like nobody, you know,
nobody would expect us to do that.
I said. I get it, Bubba, I said.
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But the same token, I think Maven is the right guy and sure
enough, he was Maven was the right guy.
Not to mention the guys went. Viral on that.
Well, for certain reasons. You know, Maven knew what he was
doing and you know, and again, Iwant people to understand, you
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know, and I, I don't want to really touch too much on it, but
I'll touch a little bit. You know, this whole thing with
Jr. you know, I kept quiet for along time because I didn't want
things to get out of control. I don't want you guys to hate or
whatever. Listen, if you don't, if you
have good vibes with Jr. if you had good relationships with
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them, then please, by all means,keep those relationships.
I told you and I let the cat outof the bag.
Finally, my gripe with him and why I had an issue with him.
There were times where him and Iwould see each other, look at
each other and I would walk awayfrom, I wouldn't say anything to
him but whether he remembered ornot, which I think he does, but
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you know, it is what it is with that and I can't go back and
change it and neither can he. So like I said, I forgave him
and but I don't have to forget. And I think it's also good that
people who are, you know, maybe written prejudice or rightness
know that you will be exposed one way or another, whether it's
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right away, whether it's 10 years, 30 years from now,
eventually you will be exposed because it's wrong.
You can't judge people by the color of their skin or say
remarks like that and thinking get away with it.
Whether you're joking or not, it's not a joke.
It's less of the way society is now and how, you know, it seems
like everybody's on edge. You know, you can't really joke
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around, like stuff like that. Not saying that he said it was a
joke, but, you know, you just can't do that stuff.
And, you know, I don't play thatgame.
Booker T don't definitely play that game.
You know, we don't, we don't joke.
We don't joke around about it because you joke and joke's
going to become serious and serious and comes into conflict
and fights and you don't want that.
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So, you know, like I said, I have to game the man and I've
moved on. When I see him, do I speak to
him? No, but that's about it.
You know, you have your own opinion on the man.
You go with that. Don't go by what I say and when
I say don't go by what I say. In other words, make your
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judgement of him and your decision.
Don't let it be influenced by anything that I've said.
That's my story with him. If you have a story with him,
then by all means, I understand that.
But if you don't, don't go by all for what I said because
that's my experience with him, not yours.
You know, it's it's interesting that story in particular, you
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saying J Rs name as the person who made racially insensitive
comments to you on more than oneoccasion that resonated so much.
It it not only went viral and and keep in mind, folks, what
does it mean to go viral? That means that a story in
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particular is so there's so muchaction around it where not only
people are clicking and reading it or people are going and
listening about it, but they're talking about it.
So whether it's social media like X or, or Facebook or Blue
Sky or, you know, Instagram, there was so much discussion
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about it spread like wildfire. But then it took another level
because all the websites had to start covering it.
Mainstream websites like Yahoo had to cover it.
It went hot on Reddit. And then it lasted throughout
the weekend. I dropped that episode on a
Wednesday and the chatter hasn'treally slowed down.
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People are still actively discussing it.
So what does that tell you? You know what I mean with with
that. What that tells me is that this
is something that goes beyond the world of pro wrestling and,
and quite frankly, has gone beyond Devon's experience with
Jim Ross. I think we all have had similar
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experiences, especially people of color and especially black
folk, where you're in a situation where somebody who is
a boss, who has authority over you in the workplace says
something to you. Whether you're a woman and they
say something that's that's, youknow, sexual harassment in
nature, whether you're a person of color, a black person, and
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they say something racist in nature, whether you are of a
certain religion and they say something that's religiously
insensitive. But they say something to you
that completely crosses the line.
And it puts you in a position where it's a judgement call.
Do I punch this person in the face?
Do I, do I go to HR? Do I just quit on the spot?
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Like, what do I do? And those moments really
partially define us because if you make the wrong move, that
can that can have disastrous effects, right?
That could change the course of your life forever.
I think we all have our own stories related to those types
of experiences. And that's really the reason why
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you talking about that, Devon, somebody who's so credible as
you are and you had witnesses. I think people really latched
onto that and carried it. And that's why it's continued to
be part of the discussion. I mean, what do you think about
that, man? Why?
Why do you think it went viral and and it has remained so hot?
Well, like you said, I think it a lot, some people can, a lot of
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people can relate to it. Some people might be going
through it to, to to this day. You know, it's sad because, you
know, we're in 2025 and this stuff is still going on and you
know, it it, it's sad because I hear stuff all the time still
not, not in the not so much the wrestling business, but just in
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general life itself and how people's day.
It's sad. You know, all I can do is pray
and hope that things can try to get better.
But, you know, I'm sure everybody, I'm sure a lot of
people have been praying about that, but it just doesn't seem
to be going away quick enough, you know, but these people are
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being exposed and, you know, that's it and the story.
So you're, you know, people are being exposed.
And again, I didn't even mean for anything to come out, but it
it did when the question was asked.
And, you know, if you saw my YouTube channel with Maven Bubba
and myself, you would have saw that I was trying to still be
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behind the Bush and not say anything.
But I was prompted to and it came out and it is what it is,
man. It is what it is, and I'll tell
you right now, I think that it has inspired people to be more
vocal about some of the challenges that they're
experiencing. You know, there's a young lady
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who's in WWE EVOLVE right now. She has an ACL injury, which
she's recovering from. Aria Bennett She was one of the
NIL folks so she was a star athlete even before making it to
WWE. But she shared on on October
30th 2 fourty 3:00 PM Folks or anyone who wants to look it up,
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you can look it up yourself at Aria Bennett WWE on on X.
But she said, hey, some of us experience racism but we try our
best to ignore it. Plenty more of these shake my
head. And then she posted some of the
messages from nameless, goofy fans, if you could even call
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them that online. One, one person's calling the N
word, another person saying something along the same lines.
Just crazy stuff, man. That you, you really don't know
what people are going through, folks.
But I, you know, I, I'm willing to venture and I am going to ask
her directly about this. I'm willing to venture.
Devon, you bringing up your experience with Jr. has prompted
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folks to speak up more about what they're experiencing
because people are paying attention.
So what are your thoughts on that?
I mean this, this young lady is brand new in the business and
she's found the strength to actually highlight some of the
stuff that she's going through right now.
You know, there's a lot of timeslike I stay off of Twitter or
what they call X now because of the fact that, you know, they
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can be downright rude, obnoxiousand mean.
And I, I go on Twitter or X to promote things.
But other than that, I really don't go on there.
I don't talk to the fans on there.
I'd say mostly on Instagram and my private Facebook.
But you hear stories like that all the time.
There was a young lady about a couple of years ago, Japanese
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superstar that committed suicidebecause something happened.
I can't remember what it was, but the fans got involved in,
they started terrorizing this young lady and making her feel a
certain way where the lady took her life, you know, and you
know, there is no repercussions from that.
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There is no, there's no policingthat will help people out that
are being bullied or what have you.
And you know, for the fans to just go and do that, I think
it's disgusting. Listen, you may not want to hear
what your superstar that you love and honor do, but again,
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like I said, we're all, we're all human and we all make
mistakes. You may not want to hear that
they slipped up or what have you, but when they do, you have
to let them know. And you know, if she's doing
that, then God bless her man. You know, stay strong because
they're only going to try to tear you down.
And if they do, keep God first on everything.
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And you can't. You won't lose.
You won't be alone, I promise you.
Well said. Well said.
And who you're referencing, by the way, is Hannah Kamara, who
was a Japanese pro wrestler, super popular, super beloved,
somebody who was on the brink ofof true super stardom.
She was probably only another year or two away from signing a
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major contract with one of the big promotions, probably WWE.
But she she went on a reality TVshow called Terrace House and
she was cyber bullied online. The people who are watching the
show, they just completely buried her and were incessant
about it saying so many negativethings and it just, it
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completely crushed her to the point man where unfortunately
she took her life. That was back in May of 2020.
Yeah, I remember that. It was.
I remember reading about them again.
These fans got to get a grip on themselves, man.
They really do. It's not cool if it was your
mother, if it was your sister, you know, a very close cousin, a
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family, a family member that sheloved to death was being was
being treated like this. You wouldn't like it, so why do
it to other people? You just wouldn't like it.
Well said. Well said.
You're absolutely right. And and once again, condolences
to Hannah Kamara and her family,fans, everybody in the industry
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who knew her and loved her. That was tragic, just completely
tragic. You know, Devon, it's it's, it's
interesting to to have an opportunity to speak in your own
words. You know, no one else is
spinning it this it's no one else's interpretation.
We were hearing directly from the source about your life, your
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experiences, and truly your thoughts from a general
standpoint. When you reflect back on getting
to this point where you can finally set the record straight,
how does it feel, man? Because you know, a lot of
people never get this opportunity to do that.
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Thank God in this modern time where we have technology where
we could do podcasting, we can do our own documentaries and
things like that, we don't have to worry about a big machine
editing us and and all that stuff to make themselves look
good. How does it feel to be able to
set the record straight in your own words without being
restricted? It feels great.
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It feels like, you know, a big burden had been lifted off, even
though I've been carrying that burden for a while.
And I was angry for a long time.You know, anytime I saw the man,
I was angry because I never let it out on how I felt.
And it was almost like, you know, I felt like I wanted to do
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something about it every time I saw him, but I had to keep my
composure and not have to do that.
And, you know, but now once it'sall out, it's like a breath of
fresh air, you know, I don't have to worry about it anymore,
you know, And hopefully he understands where I'm coming
from. I'm sure he's heard and listened
to the things that I've had to say.
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But I hope that he basically, you know, can come the grips of
what he said and, you know, justbe a man and say, hey, listen,
I've said it and, you know, I apologize.
You accept my apology. Bottom line, I can't even say
yes or no. But again, just like the Hogan
thing, I'm a forgiving man. Listen, like I told people,
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people took this out of the content.
I said, I'm not telling you to forget what Hogan said.
Don't forget it. But I mean, at least try to
forgive him. Try to forgive him, you know,
because we're all human. We mess up and, you know, we
said things that African American about white people that
I'm sure if that got out, it would be it'll be bad and vice
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versa. So we all make mistakes.
We all shoot off at the mouth when we shouldn't.
And if that's the case, then, you know, if we sincerely,
humbly apologize for that, then why not forgive them?
Why not move on? Because you can't bring
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yesterday back. You can only be in today and
that's really the way I look at it.
You know, it's interesting. People have been taking an
inventory and they're like, well, wait a SEC.
You know, Devon said if he forgave Jr.
OK, so he, he forgave this guy even though he did this terrible
thing to him. And then like, wait, he just
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forgave Dixie Carter and oh, wait, he forgave Hulk Hogan.
This isn't an act, This isn't this isn't some phony baloney
business to try to score, you know, points or anything like
that. This is truly a life philosophy
going on here. So again, and I think I asked
you this before, but I will ask again, how does it feel to, to
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see that people are finally starting to get it that like no
guys, I, I'm really serious about my faith.
This is what God commands us to do.
This is what I do. You know, again, you know me, I
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look at things from a biblical standpoint.
If I feel like it touched my heart, say it, then I'm going to
say it. And they are my podcasts.
When Bubba was like, say the name, say the name.
I didn't want to say it. And then, you know, I know
mavens shout it out. Go Sooners and you know also I
said, you know, the person wearing a 10 gallon hat and
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there's only 110 gallon hat person in WWE.
You know, that's an upper official.
You know, again, I said what I said and I stand by it and you
know, again, that's what I said,thank God there was other people
that were there that witnessed it that were not African
American because the minute the,you know, they were African
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American. Oh, he's trying to pull the race
card. No, I'm not.
Not trying to do that at all. No, I didn't even want this to
get out. But you know, it did.
And I'm in a way I'm glad it didbecause now I can ease my heart
and and like I said, I can easily say now it's off my
chest. Well, yeah, I mean, hey man,
again, I'm I'm proud of you for being exactly who you say you
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are. I think that's the biggest
compliment you could ever give anybody.
It's like, Nope, you are who yousay you are, bro.
And that's just that's a refreshing thing to say to see
because that's usually not the case with most people,
unfortunately. Switching speeds real quick
here. An interesting thing happened in
the wrestling world and I definitely wanted to get your
take on this. The Champions in WWE right now,
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Jade Cargill, Stephanie Mckier, they're the two women who are
the world champions on the main roster for For women, you have
CM Punk and Cody Rhodes. They're the two men on the main
roster who are the Champions. Ricky Starks is the NXT
champion. When you think about all of
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these folks, these were folks who not that long ago were just
an AEW and it in the case of Stephanie Becker, she didn't
officially have an ATW contract,but she was negotiating with
them and she had a match there. So she was in a program with
ATW. When you think about the fact
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that all of these former ATW stars are now champions in the
WWE, what do you think about that, man?
I mean, this is this is really, really interesting that that WWE
champions are people who were inATW and they were they were, you
know, difference makers in AEW for a period of time.
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What are your thoughts on that that complete switch like that?
They're over. So, and this goes to show you,
you know, if you're put in a position to be booked the right
way, it could happen, you know, and again, I'm not knocking
anybody. I'm not trying to knock anybody.
UAW Die Hard's going to be mad at me all you want, but you and
I both know that with all the talent that's in that company,
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there's no reason why you can't sell out 1015 thousand seats
arenas. You know, there's no reason.
And you have great talent, phenomenal talent, some might
even say better than the WWE andyet the numbers that you're
doing doesn't add up to that. So it's not the talent, it's
behind the scenes. That's that's where the that's
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where the controversy lies. It's behind the scenes.
You got to get better booking. Don't let the image run the
asylum. Somebody has to be the Vince.
Somebody has to be the Vince indeed.
Hey, there's a story out. That's Vince.
In fact, it was JBL who who saidthis.
Vince may be working on a tell all that will be released within
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the next year or two. What?
What do you think about a Vince McMahon tell all book?
Shit, I better call him up rightaway and tell him to please
forgive me, don't put my shit out there.
No, I'm joking, dirty writers, I'm joking.
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I mean, I think Vince is at the point where he's like, fuck it,
y'all want to come at me now I'mexposing everybody.
It was almost like that scene inNew Jack City when Nino was on
trial at the end when he's in the court and he blames the
girlfriend's brother for being the head of the of the CMB crime
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family. And he gets up and he goes, I'm
letting you know, y'all want to come at me, I'm taking everybody
down. I ain't going down alone.
Definitely Vince's philosophy isright now he's like, listen,
y'all want to expose me for whatI've done, I'm exposing
everybody else around me. That book is going to be very
interesting if he's ready to tell the truth.
There were so many ways he couldgo with that book.
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I mean, you know, Vincent Trump had been friends for so long.
I don't think he messed with Trump.
Well, well, even if he was putting them over, still, he's
going to say some things that we've never heard before.
If he, if he talks about Trump, you know what I mean?
And, and, and you know, Linda and, and their, their
relationship, I think there's a lot that has been speculated,
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but we don't truly know what happened there.
You know what I mean, 'cause they're, they're not divorced.
They're not. Separated from my understanding.
Yeah, they're separated, but they're not divorced.
She's still his wife. If something happens to Vince or
if something happens to Linda, the other party's still going to
be in control of what to do withthat person.
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You know what I mean is folks, we don't think about that
enough. But if you fall ill right now,
who's going to be the person that's responsible for making
decisions for you? So it's a, it's an interesting,
that whole dynamic, at least forme, I find that fascinating.
I would love to hear more about the highs and lows and how they
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managed to to find a way to get to this point where even though
they're not together to a certain degree, they still rely
on each other, for lack of a better term.
Yeah, you know. I mean I I think that
relationship has always been like that.
There it is. They will always be.
Behind the business right she was.
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From a From a yeah, Linda handled the business aspect of
everything. Vince handled the creative.
It's not like what Triple H is doing now, you know, he's
handling creative and all of that by Nick is handling the
business deals and stuff like that.
And quiet as it's kept, it lookslike Stephanie is, is a lot more
involved than what people realized.
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You know she she's quietly back in the fold, man.
Oh, I'm good. I like, I like.
I've always said I got to be careful what I say going.
To go viral again on this. I know on this one, no, I like
Stephanie. I like.
I thought she was very smart. You know, she learned from her
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dad, she learned from honor. She, she learned from a lot of
people. I'm, I'm even safe to say she
learned from Patterson, Pat Patterson because I know she
adored Pat. You know, I just think Stephanie
is very good. I always said don't double cross
her. I said because if you think
Vince is bad, if you double cross her, Stephanie is probably
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probably 10 times worse. I was like, you know, what makes
it hard for what makes it 10 times worse is because, you
know, we always say that theory like female cops have to be
tougher, have to be bigger than who they are when they pull over
a suspect because men may not look at them the same as their
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as men, as other police officersare male wise as they're equal,
you know, so they always got to play the hard role.
The dyke excuse my expression role of it, you know, like kind
of make the woman the man in thesense.
And you know, it's like I alwayssaid, Stephanie is you.
You piss her off, you make her angry.
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Those slaps that she do in the ring.
It ain't just the work. Trust me.
She gets slapping from here to the mall.
You know, she's she's just she'sone tough lady.
Let me tell you that, and she's very smart.
He's extremely smart. I've always got along with
Stephanie. I always look like Stephanie as
a human being and a person. And again, she was very genuine
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and very nice all around. Never had a problem with any of
the Mcmahons and Paul Levesque never had a issue or a problem
with any of them. They were really good to me and
I thanked them from the bottom of my heart for being them to me
like that. You know, it's funny,
Hornswoggle. He recently did one of
Stephanie's shows and he talked about how kind she's always been
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to him and how she's gone out ofher way to stay in touch with
him and encourage him and thingslike that.
You know, this guy's a little person.
Life ain't easy for him. They thought.
He had pro wrestling, but even then, life.
Pro wrestling is the land of thegiants.
Life wasn't always easy for him,but.
But Stephanie made it a point toexpress humanity to him and and
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really make it something that she stayed consider.
When I listen to Hornswall, I will talk about the way
Stephanie treats him. All I hear is you talking about
the way Stephanie's treated you.Same story.
Yeah, I mean, she, Stephanie is really, really was always a
pleasant soul to be around. Very funny, you know,
charismatic, you name it. She really was.
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She basically, you know, whenever you had an issue or a
problem, she would, you would beable to go to her and talk to
her. If Vince wasn't around or Hunter
wasn't around, you ain't going to talk to her and she would get
the job done. I know during the Reverend Devon
character, you know, when it started going South, like I sat
down with Stephanie and when I got some ideas that I wanted to
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run by her in terms of how to get, how to help get that
character over. And she basically she listened
and gave some ideas as well. And you know, for a couple of
matches and things like that, itreally worked.
It really worked the idea that she came about.
So I will always be indebted to Stephanie for just being so good
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and loyal to not only the lockerroom, but to certain individuals
in there. And I'm one of them.
You know, she was very good to me.
And so again, the whole McMahon family was good to me.
Triple H, Paul Levesque, fantastic and never had an issue
with them whatsoever. And you know, and I will go down
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to my grave and you know, you got some people say, oh, he's
only saying that because he's still getting paid by the OK
number one. Let me tell you something
stupid. Yeah, I am still getting paid by
the WWE legend contract and anything else they want me to
do. Yes.
So I'm not stupid enough like you are to bite the hand that
feeds you. I wouldn't do that.
But that's not why I'm saying these things.
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I'm saying it because it's legitand it's true.
Why not give somebody their flowers?
Why not give them their recognition?
I'm not going to wait until somebody passes on to do that.
I'm going to do it now while they're here and they can hear
me. Coming in hot, coming in hot.
I love it. I love it.
And I'm glad you said that because you know, some of these
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knuckleheads that's that's the nonsense they talk.
Oh, he's only saying that for clicks.
He's only saying that because he's getting paid by WWE.
Folks, Let me let me, let me just tell you something.
There isn't a person on this planet whoever posts anything
online. I don't care if they have a
podcast or they're just some nameless person on on social
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media talking. There isn't a single one of us
who makes something public who is not looking for people to see
it. You want people to know your
thoughts from your perspective, so we're all doing it for
clicks. That's the point.
If you didn't want people to know, you wouldn't have made it
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public. So.
It's like a ridiculous thing to say.
You're just doing it for clicks.We're all just doing it for
clicks. We, we want the world to know
our perspective. We don't want somebody else to
define our thoughts, who we are,what we experienced.
No, we want to be able to speak from our perspective about
what's happened throughout our lives.
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And, and, and that's the reason why this show is so important,
because for the first time you're getting Devon Dudley in
the kind of detail like you've never heard before.
It's not to say that Devon hasn't done other interviews or
hasn't done other shows or anything like that, but there's
something a little different here because we're not just
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talking about wrestling. Wrestling is like a theme that's
in the air, but we're really talking about life.
And when you get to hear a person really open up about who
they are as a human being, what their values are, what's
important to them, what they loved, what broke their heart,
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you can't get it any better thanthat 'cause you're getting it
from them. So not, I mean absolutely, not
to mention I don't want to, you know, I, I got to keep, I got to
keep going on my side, on my end.
In other words, I got to keep the conversation going, you
know, I don't want to quote fallasleep.
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I don't want to fall asleep, youknow, because at least this
conversation is, is interesting and, and, and keeps me up.
That's all I'm going to say on that.
It's. A bad that that one went viral
too. The fact that we killed that
story before it could happen. Well, number one is foolish #1
you never asked me to be a producer or to produce a match.
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I never produced anything. The first time I showed up was
in Orlando, and I was told by QTMarshall who I can't stand, and
I don't care if he knows it, he can kiss my ass.
He can't do shit about it. You know, he was like, oh, Tony
wants to, you know, say hello toyou.
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So I said, OK. So I went over there and said
hello to him. He had the headset on.
He was doing what he was doing. And I was there to meet him, you
know, because they told me. They called me.
They said, yeah, you know, he wants to meet with you.
So come on down to Orlando. It'll be fitting to do that.
OK, fine. Like I'm down to Orlando.
I'm sitting up there waiting andwaiting.
I'm in catering, you know, I'm waiting and and waiting and
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nothing. Finally, like I said, I went to
go meet him. QT Marshall King, you know, 21
CI. Go over there and meet him.
Shake his hand. He goes, hey, he's like, you
know, yeah, let's, let's talk after.
You know, I'm kind of tied up right now, I think.
All right, not a problem. It was very respectful.
Not a problem. OK, cool.
We can talk afterwards. And then QT Marshall just went,
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you know, what number do you want to come in and do?
I said, OK, understand. I just want to, I just want to
be a producer again, like I've said in the in the interviews
with us, I don't want to wrestle.
I just want to be a producer. That's it.
I was like, you know, and this and that.
He's like, well, you still want,you just do a little something
with the boys, right. And I was just like, whatever.
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And it means helping them out. Yeah.
OK. So be it, you know, And that was
it. And then I was like, all right,
well, you know, we'll get back to you.
So get home and, you know, don'tworry about it.
We're going to call you and let you know what's going on.
All right, then I have my agent called.
They were like, hey, he wants tomeet with you.
Second time I meet with him the second time we're in Montreal
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and I, I, they fly me up to Montreal.
I go to meet them. I get there at 11:00 in the
morning. I didn't get in until about, oh,
I think 11:30 to midnight. I get to the hotel, Wyatt
freaking try to go to sleep. I can't, didn't fall asleep
until about maybe 3/30, 4:00 that night.
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I remember because I was up watching freaking horror movies
all night that night. And finally I fell asleep and
get up and I had to get up at like 8 or 9 and, you know, go
have breakfast and then go meet my agent downstairs.
We went to the building, got there by 11/11/30.
You got me sitting there all day.
I'm going back and forth from catering to the arena, back and
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forth, back and forth, saying hello to people that I haven't
seen in a while that I knew, meeting new people from there
and all of that. OK, now it's like 910 o'clock,
no meeting, nothing. All of a sudden sometimes goes
by again, nothing. I don't want to meet that man
until about 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning.
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So you're damn right I was probably sitting in the chill
with my eyes closed. I should have been snoring on
the ass, but I don't know if I was or not.
But yeah, I was tired. You're damn right you sitting
down waiting and and and waitingand waiting and all of a sudden
would you have done that to Flair?
No. Would you have done that to
anybody else? No.
But you did it to me. So F you man.
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And then the third time, you know, we meet in Orlando again,
you know, same thing. I get there about 11:30 noon and
you know, you got me waiting around like some fucking young
boy. You know, you could have easily
just, you know, bringing me in the office and said, hey, Devon,
you know, blah, blah, blah, thisis what we have to offer and
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blah, blah, blah. I can say yes or no to it and be
on my way. But you didn't do that.
You kept me until 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, again, waiting
outside your office. I finally told my, my, my
lawyer. I said, only what I'm doing is
for the kids. I want to see my boys, you know,
make it. Other than that, he can go to
hell with all this disrespect. But yet he had a picture of
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himself in the ECW arena holdingup a tad sign, jumping up and
down, cheering while I'm in the ring with Bubba.
And Bubba and I were feuding, the ECW hitting me, hitting
Bubba with a chair, cracking it over his skull.
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And that was the night Tony was there and saw saw us at the
arena. And my agent goes, he's got this
picture he wants to show you. And, you know, he's a big, you
know, he's a big ECW fan of Mark, what have you.
I said, all right. I was like, I'll take a look at
the picture. And he showed me and I was like,
all right, cool. Interesting.
I was like, yeah, I remember that.
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I remember that day. I remember that was November to
remember 96, I believe it was. I was like, yeah, I remember
that. He's like, yeah, He's like, you
guys were good. You know, you, you tore it down
or what have you? I love the ECW.
He's telling me the whole 9. So it's all right.
Cool. And again, you know, same thing,
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you know, I'm like, you know, I want to be a producer.
I don't want to wrestle. Oh no, but you know, maybe you
could do a six man with the boysor A tag.
And I'm like, dude, you don't understand.
I'm just six months off of back surgery.
Why would I want to get in the ring and risk everything, you
know? And he just didn't seem to
understand that. So not my fault, but I can give
a damn less about what he thinksor or what he thinks of me.
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I don't give a God damn. I don't work for you, nor do you
pay me anything. I'm happy with the WWE, I'm
happy with the legends deal, I'mhappy with whatever projects
they had me come to do and that's it.
Because they don't burn your bridge.
I'm not burning my bridge. Don't talk shit about me that
ain't true. You know, go F yourself.
Fall asleep. Anybody would fall asleep if
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you're sitting up there from 11:00 to 3:00 in the morning.
Jackass or whoever put that story out again.
I didn't have AI. Don't have a problem with Tony,
but if you don't lie on me then I have a problem with it.
This is why you show up, folks. Each episode, you're going to
get this heat. I wait, wait.
I was right. You know, I love when I hear
that. I was right About what?
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Oh no, you were right about everything in terms of, you
know, this, this this whole fiasco, it it's just it's nerve
wracking to know that you're going to try to cover your ass
and you don't really have to cover your ass.
You know, you didn't do anythingwrong.
So what the hell you putting outlies for?
If you all putting that out, whydid you put it out when you know
it's not true? You never once came to me and
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said early OK let's test you out, here's a match let me see
you produce it. You didn't give me no bark.
You wanted to do that so don't freaking lie and say you did
because you didn't. I don't give a God damn how much
money a person has. Don't lie on me, especially when
I did nothing to you to make youlie.
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You can kiss my ass and take that money and shove it up your
ass. I don't care.
I do not care. And I'm not trying to be an
asshole. I'm not trying to be mean.
But don't go do that. It ain't right.
You know damn well nobody asked me to be to produce any matches
there. I've been more than happy to do
it to show what I could do, but not once was that was that given
(51:02):
to me. So don't do that.
Well said, well said, and. I'm going to say this.
If you don't like me, you don't have to like me.
I don't need you to like me. You don't pay me.
I don't need you to like me if I'm blackballed, if I'm ever
showing up there, OK. And like Jamie Foxx said when he
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was telling the joke about Jennifer Lopez, when Jennifer
Lopez got mad at him, he said, Jamie, I'm mad with you.
Why are you mad at me, Jenny? He was like, well, you said I
couldn't sing. And Jimmy went and you want to
black and see, fine, that's fine.
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I don't give a damn. I don't have to show up every
day ever again. I'm not mad, nor am I bitter
about it. But don't lie.
Do not lie about shit like that.And that kiss ass you got by
your side. He can go to hell in terms of
talking about QT Marshall. I wish he would approach me.
I wish he would. It would be the last time you
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ever approached me, OK? What what is the best way
everyone can can keep up with you and everything you got to
say out there, Devon cause clearly.
You got like, dude, you got me going.
I. Know right?
Oh man, you can check me out of my social media, I testify
(52:28):
Devon. Or again, I don't go on it as
much like I said I do. I do check the inbox for
messages. I testify Devon on Twitter.
My Facebook is private. I don't have any fans, just very
close friends and family on there.
So you won't be able to reach meon there.
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And if you have not checked out the documentary, please check it
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Welcome back to another excitingedition of the Devon and the
Duke Podcast. This is a limited edition series
hosted by your main man. Duke loves wrestling and of
course the five time Hall of Famer, The YouTube sensation,
the man that keeps going viral, brother Devon Dudley.
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What's going on there, Devon? Sitting here home, I'm actually
washing my filter out from my pool.
I went out there and realized that the waterfall wasn't going
on. Of course I'm thinking, oh shit,
more money, here we go, I gotta pay to get this fixed.
It seems like when one thing breaks down, everything breaks
down. But that's but that's not the
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case, right? Were you able to get to get it
all fixed and straightened up? Well, as we're talking right
now, I'm being the filter. Got it.
Got. It but and my daughter's home.
My my one daughter the youngest one at home or those pics.
She wasn't feeling well, so I had to keep her home.
Good luck to the filter for sure.
Listen, man, I it is, it is crazy to, I can't even say the
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week that you've had because you've been having a crazy year.
But since we last record, you have gone viral at least four
separate times. There have been at least seven
different articles written aboutthat one episode.
Just crazy through the roof. And thank you to everybody who,
who has been so interested in and, and, and so serious about
(02:17):
this show and what D1 has to sayand, and my analysis and what
have you, you guys really made that happen for us and we
appreciate it. So we're going to dig into some
of that stuff in a moment. But before we even get to that,
folks, if you haven't already, Ineed you to head over to the
Devon Dudley YouTube channel. OK, Stop everything you're
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doing. Head over to the channel.
Obviously hit subscribe if you don't subscribe yet and you got
to check it out. The last table, an unreal
documentary on my last match versus the Hardy Boys.
Without a doubt, the absolute definitive Devon Dudley
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documentary. There was nothing that had that
could capture the emotion. There's nothing that can capture
the man behind the character. There's nothing that can capture
the the relationship that the Dudley Boys have that that that
Devon has with the Hardys. There's nothing that that has
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ever captured the realism of whoDevon Dudley is historically in
pro wrestling. Then this documentary, which is
on Devon's YouTube channel, The Last Table and unreal
documentary on my last match versus the Hardy Boys.
It is top shelf, no question. Devon, you, you, you told me
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that you've watched it a few times, man.
I mean, what do you think of this piece of work here?
I mean, before we started filming, I was watching it
again. I was very impressed.
I mean, the way my guys did everything.
I mean, we talked about it before shooting it.
I mean, weeks before weeks leading up to the match.
And I was just like, yeah, yeah,yeah, OK, yeah, we'll do it, you
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know? And we started filming and you
know, I was. Just like, all right, well,
let's just do this. Let's just.
Make this really good, you know,give them exactly what they
want, you know? And I did that and man, then it
turned out great. It's, it's it, man.
I mean, if anyone says to me, you know, I, I want you to show
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me Devon Dudley in, in, in a, ina short package here.
I'll give you 38 minutes to showme who Devon Dudley is.
I'll show them this. That's who the man is.
Those are his values. This is his career.
This is how he treats his family.
This is how much the fans Reverehim.
This is how his peers Revere himlike.
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This is it. This is who this man is.
And you know, I'm like every other, you know, guy out there.
I mean, you know, I, I don't want people to think I'm, I'm
holier than thou. Well, because I'm not.
I make mistakes just like the next man do, you know, just like
the next man does. And, you know, I want people to
be aware of that, but I want, I want people to know that I try
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to live my life accordingly, theway I should, the way God thinks
I should. And that's it.
I don't preach to people. I try to let make them, you
know, follow my values or what have you.
Again, I've fallen just like thenext man.
I've done, I've done things I'm not proud of, but yet I, you
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know, I'm human and it happens. Stuff like that happens, you
know, I try to live my life, like I said, accordingly, the
way God would want me to. Sometimes I do, sometimes I
don't. I slipped.
Hey, you know, the Attitude Era was a big era for a lot of
people. I think that's what I did most
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of my dirt, but. And I say that because, you
know, going out, having a good time, you know, just partying
and, you know, having drinks andthings like that, doing what
everybody normally would do, youknow, in the business.
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Well, yes, I'm like the, I'm just like you.
I'm like the next man, you know,I enjoy what I do.
I enjoy my family, I enjoy my friends.
And I just like to go out there and have a good time, you know,
that's it. I'm not asking anybody to follow
me or in my footsteps or something like that.
I'm not trying to preach, like Isaid, anybody or they'll make
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them think that I'm holding themnow because I'm far from that.
But I like it that it showed my emotional side, the way I am
with my kids, my family. You know, the biggest thing if
anybody knows me is my kids. I mean from parents in Terrell,
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the oldest at 30, the DJ, Amaya and Thalia, 75 and night and 23
months. You know I love them and I give
my life for them. Well, that much is is is clear.
It's on display. There's no question about it,
especially in this documentary, The Last Table, an unreal
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documentary on my last match versus the Hardy Boys.
I, I, there was one part that I really, really loved, not
because of what was said, but more so just because of the body
language. When Mustafa Ali came into the
locker room and he was telling astory about how, you know, him
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and some of the other guys were coming up with all these fancy
moves that they're going to do in their match and this and that
they're going to be doing this high spot and all that.
And you say, hey, guys, just remember, if it's time to cut
time, your match is going to be the first way to get cut and,
and, and busted, you know, and that humbled those guys because
it reminded them that you're part of a, a bigger picture
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here. And it's not all about you
exactly, you know, but the body language when Mustafa was
telling that story is what I waspaying attention to most and
paying attention to your body language as well.
And what I saw in that is somebody who tremendously
appreciates and respects you andclearly has not forgetting
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lessons that he's learned from you through the years and how
important that is. Because, you know, Mustafa now
is a top guy. You know, he's, he's one of the
top stars in TNA and what have you.
So clearly he paid attention to what you said and, and, and has
carried that on and is now even passing it down his own damn
self. I thought that was really cool,
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man. Yeah, he's always giving me the
respect because he said I helpedhim out a lot, you know, because
when some producers, when they go into doing what they're
doing, they don't give explanations.
They don't say anything to you guys.
These guys are lost. And then they mess up and then
they get blamed. It's like, how do you get mad at
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them when they don't know? So that I find them that I find
it for me to say something to these guys and let them know
what time it was. Absolutely.
I didn't want to see them get hurt.
I didn't want to see them get. Fired or.
Lose money or can't feed their family because you know, the
boss got mad. Didn't want that, you know, I
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went out there and made sure that these guys did exactly what
Vince expected them to do and nothing more, nothing less.
And they praise you for it. That's, that's the part that
just really, it's cool, man. It's cool.
It's really. Listen, there's some people that
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I've taught over the years that have listened and benefited from
it, and there's other people that just downright
disrespectful, you know, and they can say what they want,
but. A lot of them should.
Think that thank me because a lot of times Bubba didn't like
them. You.
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Know and Bubba would have killedthem, but you know they forget
that part. How quickly they forget it's
true. It's.
True. There's always those in the
bunch. There's always those, you know,
Devon, talk to me about some these guys Michael Wands over
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and and Nick Pappas. They represent just hit record
media and they've been your yourdocumentarians throughout this
journey. They're the guys helping you out
with the YouTube and all this good stuff.
And certainly with this piece. Talk to me about the
significance of those guys because from where I stand, they
did a fantastic job. They've done a great job period
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throughout the whole journey with these guys.
You know, they, they know what to do.
They know how to do it. And you know, like I tell them
sometimes I'm like, look, I got visions too, you know, and I
would like to express and sometimes the fight with them,
you know, to do that and this and that.
And sometimes they're in it. I'll give you a prime example we
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had, they had an idea, right? You know, the whole Bubba Maven
interview, they had a whole ideaabout doing something where we
want to go over TLC matches and other matches and things like
that. And I told him a long time ago,
I said, I don't want to do that anymore.
I said if it helped us out when we first started, I said, but
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believe, believe it or not, I'd rather do something more like a
an enemy, like a Joe Rogan or, you know, I got Oprah Winfrey,
Phil Donahue, Geraldo, you know,I want to get more in depth, not
just talking about things that are just the same thing over and
over again. There's only so many times you
can talk about the TLC match, you know, and get viewerships.
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I mean, sure, we can remind people of things that we didn't
probably say before, but still, how many more times can you do
it? And they were like, no, no, we
think this is the best. And I was like, guys, you're
missing the boat here. And I remember saying that to
them and they kind of pushed me to the side and said, look, you
guys know better than I do, but I'm just.
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Telling you and I remember we get the columns restaurant and
we're sitting down and Maven of course got there 45 minutes
late, which we exposed on the show.
Damn you Maven. And we basically Bubba goes, all
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right, So what are we doing? And Nick and Mike said something
to him and he goes absolutely not, I'm not doing it.
I was like, I told y'all, I toldyou you wouldn't want to do it.
And he was like, why? Nick was like, why not?
Nick is always the ballsy one. He's like, he wants to get an
answer and he's like, why not? He's like, it's the same
bullshit that we've been doing for years.
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People know about this stuff. They don't care about that stuff
really. I mean, they care about it, but
it's not going to turn heads. It's not going to make a person
want to hit the button to click on to see how we did things in
the TLC match when they've already heard it 1000 times.
And that's where the concept changed for the show where we
changed it and started getting real.
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And one of the things that I wanted to do was I wanted to
have Maven on there to be the interviewer.
Like it wasn't Mavens podcast, but it was mine.
But I suggested, I said, I want Maven to do what I said, if
anybody that Bubba respects, if anybody that I respect and Bubba
respects, he respects Maven. I was like, and you know, Maven
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won't pull a wool over nobody's head.
I said, you know, I'd rather have Maven and then he's like,
well, maybe you could do a Devon.
I said, no. I said, I get what you're
saying. I was like, but I I don't want
to interview him. I said, I want to, I want both
of us to be on the hot seat. I want both of us to be able to
have to answer the tough questions that have never been
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answered before. Maven agree with me and Bubba
Khan agree with me because he was, he was feeling the same
thing on the lines of what Nick and Mike were thinking that I
would interview him. He was like, that's different,
Yvonne. He was like nobody, you know,
nobody would expect us to do that.
I said. I get it, Bubba, I said.
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But the same token, I think Maven is the right guy and sure
enough, he was Maven was the right guy.
Not to mention the guys went. Viral on that.
Well, for certain reasons. You know, Maven knew what he was
doing and you know, and again, Iwant people to understand, you
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know, and I, I don't want to really touch too much on it, but
I'll touch a little bit. You know, this whole thing with
Jr. you know, I kept quiet for along time because I didn't want
things to get out of control. I don't want you guys to hate or
whatever. Listen, if you don't, if you
have good vibes with Jr. if you had good relationships with
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them, then please, by all means,keep those relationships.
I told you and I let the cat outof the bag.
Finally, my gripe with him and why I had an issue with him.
There were times where him and Iwould see each other, look at
each other and I would walk awayfrom, I wouldn't say anything to
him but whether he remembered ornot, which I think he does, but
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you know, it is what it is with that and I can't go back and
change it and neither can he. So like I said, I forgave him
and but I don't have to forget. And I think it's also good that
people who are, you know, maybe written prejudice or rightness
know that you will be exposed one way or another, whether it's
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right away, whether it's 10 years, 30 years from now,
eventually you will be exposed because it's wrong.
You can't judge people by the color of their skin or say
remarks like that and thinking get away with it.
Whether you're joking or not, it's not a joke.
It's less of the way society is now and how, you know, it seems
like everybody's on edge. You know, you can't really joke
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around, like stuff like that. Not saying that he said it was a
joke, but, you know, you just can't do that stuff.
And, you know, I don't play thatgame.
Booker T don't definitely play that game.
You know, we don't, we don't joke.
We don't joke around about it because you joke and joke's
going to become serious and serious and comes into conflict
and fights and you don't want that.
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So, you know, like I said, I have to game the man and I've
moved on. When I see him, do I speak to
him? No, but that's about it.
You know, you have your own opinion on the man.
You go with that. Don't go by what I say and when
I say don't go by what I say. In other words, make your
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judgement of him and your decision.
Don't let it be influenced by anything that I've said.
That's my story with him. If you have a story with him,
then by all means, I understand that.
But if you don't, don't go by all for what I said because
that's my experience with him, not yours.
You know, it's it's interesting that story in particular, you
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saying J Rs name as the person who made racially insensitive
comments to you on more than oneoccasion that resonated so much.
It it not only went viral and and keep in mind, folks, what
does it mean to go viral? That means that a story in
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particular is so there's so muchaction around it where not only
people are clicking and reading it or people are going and
listening about it, but they're talking about it.
So whether it's social media like X or, or Facebook or Blue
Sky or, you know, Instagram, there was so much discussion
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about it spread like wildfire. But then it took another level
because all the websites had to start covering it.
Mainstream websites like Yahoo had to cover it.
It went hot on Reddit. And then it lasted throughout
the weekend. I dropped that episode on a
Wednesday and the chatter hasn'treally slowed down.
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People are still actively discussing it.
So what does that tell you? You know what I mean with with
that. What that tells me is that this
is something that goes beyond the world of pro wrestling and,
and quite frankly, has gone beyond Devon's experience with
Jim Ross. I think we all have had similar
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experiences, especially people of color and especially black
folk, where you're in a situation where somebody who is
a boss, who has authority over you in the workplace says
something to you. Whether you're a woman and they
say something that's that's, youknow, sexual harassment in
nature, whether you're a person of color, a black person, and
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they say something racist in nature, whether you are of a
certain religion and they say something that's religiously
insensitive. But they say something to you
that completely crosses the line.
And it puts you in a position where it's a judgement call.
Do I punch this person in the face?
Do I, do I go to HR? Do I just quit on the spot?
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Like, what do I do? And those moments really
partially define us because if you make the wrong move, that
can that can have disastrous effects, right?
That could change the course of your life forever.
I think we all have our own stories related to those types
of experiences. And that's really the reason why
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you talking about that, Devon, somebody who's so credible as
you are and you had witnesses. I think people really latched
onto that and carried it. And that's why it's continued to
be part of the discussion. I mean, what do you think about
that, man? Why?
Why do you think it went viral and and it has remained so hot?
Well, like you said, I think it a lot, some people can, a lot of
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people can relate to it. Some people might be going
through it to, to to this day. You know, it's sad because, you
know, we're in 2025 and this stuff is still going on and you
know, it it, it's sad because I hear stuff all the time still
not, not in the not so much the wrestling business, but just in
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general life itself and how people's day.
It's sad. You know, all I can do is pray
and hope that things can try to get better.
But, you know, I'm sure everybody, I'm sure a lot of
people have been praying about that, but it just doesn't seem
to be going away quick enough, you know, but these people are
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being exposed and, you know, that's it and the story.
So you're, you know, people are being exposed.
And again, I didn't even mean for anything to come out, but it
it did when the question was asked.
And, you know, if you saw my YouTube channel with Maven Bubba
and myself, you would have saw that I was trying to still be
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behind the Bush and not say anything.
But I was prompted to and it came out and it is what it is,
man. It is what it is, and I'll tell
you right now, I think that it has inspired people to be more
vocal about some of the challenges that they're
experiencing. You know, there's a young lady
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who's in WWE EVOLVE right now. She has an ACL injury, which
she's recovering from. Aria Bennett She was one of the
NIL folks so she was a star athlete even before making it to
WWE. But she shared on on October
30th 2 fourty 3:00 PM Folks or anyone who wants to look it up,
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you can look it up yourself at Aria Bennett WWE on on X.
But she said, hey, some of us experience racism but we try our
best to ignore it. Plenty more of these shake my
head. And then she posted some of the
messages from nameless, goofy fans, if you could even call
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them that online. One, one person's calling the N
word, another person saying something along the same lines.
Just crazy stuff, man. That you, you really don't know
what people are going through, folks.
But I, you know, I, I'm willing to venture and I am going to ask
her directly about this. I'm willing to venture.
Devon, you bringing up your experience with Jr. has prompted
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folks to speak up more about what they're experiencing
because people are paying attention.
So what are your thoughts on that?
I mean this, this young lady is brand new in the business and
she's found the strength to actually highlight some of the
stuff that she's going through right now.
You know, there's a lot of timeslike I stay off of Twitter or
what they call X now because of the fact that, you know, they
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can be downright rude, obnoxiousand mean.
And I, I go on Twitter or X to promote things.
But other than that, I really don't go on there.
I don't talk to the fans on there.
I'd say mostly on Instagram and my private Facebook.
But you hear stories like that all the time.
There was a young lady about a couple of years ago, Japanese
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superstar that committed suicidebecause something happened.
I can't remember what it was, but the fans got involved in,
they started terrorizing this young lady and making her feel a
certain way where the lady took her life, you know, and you
know, there is no repercussions from that.
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There is no, there's no policingthat will help people out that
are being bullied or what have you.
And you know, for the fans to just go and do that, I think
it's disgusting. Listen, you may not want to hear
what your superstar that you love and honor do, but again,
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like I said, we're all, we're all human and we all make
mistakes. You may not want to hear that
they slipped up or what have you, but when they do, you have
to let them know. And you know, if she's doing
that, then God bless her man. You know, stay strong because
they're only going to try to tear you down.
And if they do, keep God first on everything.
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And you can't. You won't lose.
You won't be alone, I promise you.
Well said. Well said.
And who you're referencing, by the way, is Hannah Kamara, who
was a Japanese pro wrestler, super popular, super beloved,
somebody who was on the brink ofof true super stardom.
She was probably only another year or two away from signing a
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major contract with one of the big promotions, probably WWE.
But she she went on a reality TVshow called Terrace House and
she was cyber bullied online. The people who are watching the
show, they just completely buried her and were incessant
about it saying so many negativethings and it just, it
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completely crushed her to the point man where unfortunately
she took her life. That was back in May of 2020.
Yeah, I remember that. It was.
I remember reading about them again.
These fans got to get a grip on themselves, man.
They really do. It's not cool if it was your
mother, if it was your sister, you know, a very close cousin, a
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family, a family member that sheloved to death was being was
being treated like this. You wouldn't like it, so why do
it to other people? You just wouldn't like it.
Well said. Well said.
You're absolutely right. And and once again, condolences
to Hannah Kamara and her family,fans, everybody in the industry
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who knew her and loved her. That was tragic, just completely
tragic. You know, Devon, it's it's, it's
interesting to to have an opportunity to speak in your own
words. You know, no one else is
spinning it this it's no one else's interpretation.
We were hearing directly from the source about your life, your
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experiences, and truly your thoughts from a general
standpoint. When you reflect back on getting
to this point where you can finally set the record straight,
how does it feel, man? Because you know, a lot of
people never get this opportunity to do that.
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Thank God in this modern time where we have technology where
we could do podcasting, we can do our own documentaries and
things like that, we don't have to worry about a big machine
editing us and and all that stuff to make themselves look
good. How does it feel to be able to
set the record straight in your own words without being
restricted? It feels great.
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It feels like, you know, a big burden had been lifted off, even
though I've been carrying that burden for a while.
And I was angry for a long time.You know, anytime I saw the man,
I was angry because I never let it out on how I felt.
And it was almost like, you know, I felt like I wanted to do
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something about it every time I saw him, but I had to keep my
composure and not have to do that.
And, you know, but now once it'sall out, it's like a breath of
fresh air, you know, I don't have to worry about it anymore,
you know, And hopefully he understands where I'm coming
from. I'm sure he's heard and listened
to the things that I've had to say.
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But I hope that he basically, you know, can come the grips of
what he said and, you know, justbe a man and say, hey, listen,
I've said it and, you know, I apologize.
You accept my apology. Bottom line, I can't even say
yes or no. But again, just like the Hogan
thing, I'm a forgiving man. Listen, like I told people,
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people took this out of the content.
I said, I'm not telling you to forget what Hogan said.
Don't forget it. But I mean, at least try to
forgive him. Try to forgive him, you know,
because we're all human. We mess up and, you know, we
said things that African American about white people that
I'm sure if that got out, it would be it'll be bad and vice
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versa. So we all make mistakes.
We all shoot off at the mouth when we shouldn't.
And if that's the case, then, you know, if we sincerely,
humbly apologize for that, then why not forgive them?
Why not move on? Because you can't bring
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yesterday back. You can only be in today and
that's really the way I look at it.
You know, it's interesting. People have been taking an
inventory and they're like, well, wait a SEC.
You know, Devon said if he forgave Jr.
OK, so he, he forgave this guy even though he did this terrible
thing to him. And then like, wait, he just
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forgave Dixie Carter and oh, wait, he forgave Hulk Hogan.
This isn't an act, This isn't this isn't some phony baloney
business to try to score, you know, points or anything like
that. This is truly a life philosophy
going on here. So again, and I think I asked
you this before, but I will ask again, how does it feel to, to
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see that people are finally starting to get it that like no
guys, I, I'm really serious about my faith.
This is what God commands us to do.
This is what I do. You know, again, you know me, I
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look at things from a biblical standpoint.
If I feel like it touched my heart, say it, then I'm going to
say it. And they are my podcasts.
When Bubba was like, say the name, say the name.
I didn't want to say it. And then, you know, I know
mavens shout it out. Go Sooners and you know also I
said, you know, the person wearing a 10 gallon hat and
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there's only 110 gallon hat person in WWE.
You know, that's an upper official.
You know, again, I said what I said and I stand by it and you
know, again, that's what I said,thank God there was other people
that were there that witnessed it that were not African
American because the minute the,you know, they were African
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American. Oh, he's trying to pull the race
card. No, I'm not.
Not trying to do that at all. No, I didn't even want this to
get out. But you know, it did.
And I'm in a way I'm glad it didbecause now I can ease my heart
and and like I said, I can easily say now it's off my
chest. Well, yeah, I mean, hey man,
again, I'm I'm proud of you for being exactly who you say you
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are. I think that's the biggest
compliment you could ever give anybody.
It's like, Nope, you are who yousay you are, bro.
And that's just that's a refreshing thing to say to see
because that's usually not the case with most people,
unfortunately. Switching speeds real quick
here. An interesting thing happened in
the wrestling world and I definitely wanted to get your
take on this. The Champions in WWE right now,
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Jade Cargill, Stephanie Mckier, they're the two women who are
the world champions on the main roster for For women, you have
CM Punk and Cody Rhodes. They're the two men on the main
roster who are the Champions. Ricky Starks is the NXT
champion. When you think about all of
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these folks, these were folks who not that long ago were just
an AEW and it in the case of Stephanie Becker, she didn't
officially have an ATW contract,but she was negotiating with
them and she had a match there. So she was in a program with
ATW. When you think about the fact
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that all of these former ATW stars are now champions in the
WWE, what do you think about that, man?
I mean, this is this is really, really interesting that that WWE
champions are people who were inATW and they were they were, you
know, difference makers in AEW for a period of time.
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What are your thoughts on that that complete switch like that?
They're over. So, and this goes to show you,
you know, if you're put in a position to be booked the right
way, it could happen, you know, and again, I'm not knocking
anybody. I'm not trying to knock anybody.
UAW Die Hard's going to be mad at me all you want, but you and
I both know that with all the talent that's in that company,
(33:11):
there's no reason why you can't sell out 1015 thousand seats
arenas. You know, there's no reason.
And you have great talent, phenomenal talent, some might
even say better than the WWE andyet the numbers that you're
doing doesn't add up to that. So it's not the talent, it's
behind the scenes. That's that's where the that's
(33:33):
where the controversy lies. It's behind the scenes.
You got to get better booking. Don't let the image run the
asylum. Somebody has to be the Vince.
Somebody has to be the Vince indeed.
Hey, there's a story out. That's Vince.
In fact, it was JBL who who saidthis.
Vince may be working on a tell all that will be released within
(33:55):
the next year or two. What?
What do you think about a Vince McMahon tell all book?
Shit, I better call him up rightaway and tell him to please
forgive me, don't put my shit out there.
No, I'm joking, dirty writers, I'm joking.
(34:18):
I mean, I think Vince is at the point where he's like, fuck it,
y'all want to come at me now I'mexposing everybody.
It was almost like that scene inNew Jack City when Nino was on
trial at the end when he's in the court and he blames the
girlfriend's brother for being the head of the of the CMB crime
(34:39):
family. And he gets up and he goes, I'm
letting you know, y'all want to come at me, I'm taking everybody
down. I ain't going down alone.
Definitely Vince's philosophy isright now he's like, listen,
y'all want to expose me for whatI've done, I'm exposing
everybody else around me. That book is going to be very
interesting if he's ready to tell the truth.
There were so many ways he couldgo with that book.
(35:01):
I mean, you know, Vincent Trump had been friends for so long.
I don't think he messed with Trump.
Well, well, even if he was putting them over, still, he's
going to say some things that we've never heard before.
If he, if he talks about Trump, you know what I mean?
And, and, and you know, Linda and, and their, their
relationship, I think there's a lot that has been speculated,
(35:22):
but we don't truly know what happened there.
You know what I mean, 'cause they're, they're not divorced.
They're not. Separated from my understanding.
Yeah, they're separated, but they're not divorced.
She's still his wife. If something happens to Vince or
if something happens to Linda, the other party's still going to
be in control of what to do withthat person.
(35:42):
You know what I mean is folks, we don't think about that
enough. But if you fall ill right now,
who's going to be the person that's responsible for making
decisions for you? So it's a, it's an interesting,
that whole dynamic, at least forme, I find that fascinating.
I would love to hear more about the highs and lows and how they
(36:03):
managed to to find a way to get to this point where even though
they're not together to a certain degree, they still rely
on each other, for lack of a better term.
Yeah, you know. I mean I I think that
relationship has always been like that.
There it is. They will always be.
Behind the business right she was.
(36:24):
From a From a yeah, Linda handled the business aspect of
everything. Vince handled the creative.
It's not like what Triple H is doing now, you know, he's
handling creative and all of that by Nick is handling the
business deals and stuff like that.
And quiet as it's kept, it lookslike Stephanie is, is a lot more
involved than what people realized.
(36:45):
You know she she's quietly back in the fold, man.
Oh, I'm good. I like, I like.
I've always said I got to be careful what I say going.
To go viral again on this. I know on this one, no, I like
Stephanie. I like.
I thought she was very smart. You know, she learned from her
(37:05):
dad, she learned from honor. She, she learned from a lot of
people. I'm, I'm even safe to say she
learned from Patterson, Pat Patterson because I know she
adored Pat. You know, I just think Stephanie
is very good. I always said don't double cross
her. I said because if you think
Vince is bad, if you double cross her, Stephanie is probably
(37:27):
probably 10 times worse. I was like, you know, what makes
it hard for what makes it 10 times worse is because, you
know, we always say that theory like female cops have to be
tougher, have to be bigger than who they are when they pull over
a suspect because men may not look at them the same as their
(37:47):
as men, as other police officersare male wise as they're equal,
you know, so they always got to play the hard role.
The dyke excuse my expression role of it, you know, like kind
of make the woman the man in thesense.
And you know, it's like I alwayssaid, Stephanie is you.
You piss her off, you make her angry.
(38:09):
Those slaps that she do in the ring.
It ain't just the work. Trust me.
She gets slapping from here to the mall.
You know, she's she's just she'sone tough lady.
Let me tell you that, and she's very smart.
He's extremely smart. I've always got along with
Stephanie. I always look like Stephanie as
a human being and a person. And again, she was very genuine
(38:31):
and very nice all around. Never had a problem with any of
the Mcmahons and Paul Levesque never had a issue or a problem
with any of them. They were really good to me and
I thanked them from the bottom of my heart for being them to me
like that. You know, it's funny,
Hornswoggle. He recently did one of
Stephanie's shows and he talked about how kind she's always been
(38:55):
to him and how she's gone out ofher way to stay in touch with
him and encourage him and thingslike that.
You know, this guy's a little person.
Life ain't easy for him. They thought.
He had pro wrestling, but even then, life.
Pro wrestling is the land of thegiants.
Life wasn't always easy for him,but.
But Stephanie made it a point toexpress humanity to him and and
(39:18):
really make it something that she stayed consider.
When I listen to Hornswall, I will talk about the way
Stephanie treats him. All I hear is you talking about
the way Stephanie's treated you.Same story.
Yeah, I mean, she, Stephanie is really, really was always a
pleasant soul to be around. Very funny, you know,
charismatic, you name it. She really was.
(39:39):
She basically, you know, whenever you had an issue or a
problem, she would, you would beable to go to her and talk to
her. If Vince wasn't around or Hunter
wasn't around, you ain't going to talk to her and she would get
the job done. I know during the Reverend Devon
character, you know, when it started going South, like I sat
down with Stephanie and when I got some ideas that I wanted to
(40:01):
run by her in terms of how to get, how to help get that
character over. And she basically she listened
and gave some ideas as well. And you know, for a couple of
matches and things like that, itreally worked.
It really worked the idea that she came about.
So I will always be indebted to Stephanie for just being so good
(40:25):
and loyal to not only the lockerroom, but to certain individuals
in there. And I'm one of them.
You know, she was very good to me.
And so again, the whole McMahon family was good to me.
Triple H, Paul Levesque, fantastic and never had an issue
with them whatsoever. And you know, and I will go down
(40:46):
to my grave and you know, you got some people say, oh, he's
only saying that because he's still getting paid by the OK
number one. Let me tell you something
stupid. Yeah, I am still getting paid by
the WWE legend contract and anything else they want me to
do. Yes.
So I'm not stupid enough like you are to bite the hand that
feeds you. I wouldn't do that.
But that's not why I'm saying these things.
(41:07):
I'm saying it because it's legitand it's true.
Why not give somebody their flowers?
Why not give them their recognition?
I'm not going to wait until somebody passes on to do that.
I'm going to do it now while they're here and they can hear
me. Coming in hot, coming in hot.
I love it. I love it.
And I'm glad you said that because you know, some of these
(41:27):
knuckleheads that's that's the nonsense they talk.
Oh, he's only saying that for clicks.
He's only saying that because he's getting paid by WWE.
Folks, Let me let me, let me just tell you something.
There isn't a person on this planet whoever posts anything
online. I don't care if they have a
podcast or they're just some nameless person on on social
(41:48):
media talking. There isn't a single one of us
who makes something public who is not looking for people to see
it. You want people to know your
thoughts from your perspective, so we're all doing it for
clicks. That's the point.
If you didn't want people to know, you wouldn't have made it
(42:08):
public. So.
It's like a ridiculous thing to say.
You're just doing it for clicks.We're all just doing it for
clicks. We, we want the world to know
our perspective. We don't want somebody else to
define our thoughts, who we are,what we experienced.
No, we want to be able to speak from our perspective about
what's happened throughout our lives.
(42:29):
And, and, and that's the reason why this show is so important,
because for the first time you're getting Devon Dudley in
the kind of detail like you've never heard before.
It's not to say that Devon hasn't done other interviews or
hasn't done other shows or anything like that, but there's
something a little different here because we're not just
(42:50):
talking about wrestling. Wrestling is like a theme that's
in the air, but we're really talking about life.
And when you get to hear a person really open up about who
they are as a human being, what their values are, what's
important to them, what they loved, what broke their heart,
(43:11):
you can't get it any better thanthat 'cause you're getting it
from them. So not, I mean absolutely, not
to mention I don't want to, you know, I, I got to keep, I got to
keep going on my side, on my end.
In other words, I got to keep the conversation going, you
know, I don't want to quote fallasleep.
(43:33):
I don't want to fall asleep, youknow, because at least this
conversation is, is interesting and, and, and keeps me up.
That's all I'm going to say on that.
It's. A bad that that one went viral
too. The fact that we killed that
story before it could happen. Well, number one is foolish #1
you never asked me to be a producer or to produce a match.
(43:54):
I never produced anything. The first time I showed up was
in Orlando, and I was told by QTMarshall who I can't stand, and
I don't care if he knows it, he can kiss my ass.
He can't do shit about it. You know, he was like, oh, Tony
wants to, you know, say hello toyou.
(44:14):
So I said, OK. So I went over there and said
hello to him. He had the headset on.
He was doing what he was doing. And I was there to meet him, you
know, because they told me. They called me.
They said, yeah, you know, he wants to meet with you.
So come on down to Orlando. It'll be fitting to do that.
OK, fine. Like I'm down to Orlando.
I'm sitting up there waiting andwaiting.
I'm in catering, you know, I'm waiting and and waiting and
(44:36):
nothing. Finally, like I said, I went to
go meet him. QT Marshall King, you know, 21
CI. Go over there and meet him.
Shake his hand. He goes, hey, he's like, you
know, yeah, let's, let's talk after.
You know, I'm kind of tied up right now, I think.
All right, not a problem. It was very respectful.
Not a problem. OK, cool.
We can talk afterwards. And then QT Marshall just went,
(44:58):
you know, what number do you want to come in and do?
I said, OK, understand. I just want to, I just want to
be a producer again, like I've said in the in the interviews
with us, I don't want to wrestle.
I just want to be a producer. That's it.
I was like, you know, and this and that.
He's like, well, you still want,you just do a little something
with the boys, right. And I was just like, whatever.
(45:18):
And it means helping them out. Yeah.
OK. So be it, you know, And that was
it. And then I was like, all right,
well, you know, we'll get back to you.
So get home and, you know, don'tworry about it.
We're going to call you and let you know what's going on.
All right, then I have my agent called.
They were like, hey, he wants tomeet with you.
Second time I meet with him the second time we're in Montreal
(45:39):
and I, I, they fly me up to Montreal.
I go to meet them. I get there at 11:00 in the
morning. I didn't get in until about, oh,
I think 11:30 to midnight. I get to the hotel, Wyatt
freaking try to go to sleep. I can't, didn't fall asleep
until about maybe 3/30, 4:00 that night.
(46:02):
I remember because I was up watching freaking horror movies
all night that night. And finally I fell asleep and
get up and I had to get up at like 8 or 9 and, you know, go
have breakfast and then go meet my agent downstairs.
We went to the building, got there by 11/11/30.
You got me sitting there all day.
I'm going back and forth from catering to the arena, back and
(46:25):
forth, back and forth, saying hello to people that I haven't
seen in a while that I knew, meeting new people from there
and all of that. OK, now it's like 910 o'clock,
no meeting, nothing. All of a sudden sometimes goes
by again, nothing. I don't want to meet that man
until about 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning.
(46:47):
So you're damn right I was probably sitting in the chill
with my eyes closed. I should have been snoring on
the ass, but I don't know if I was or not.
But yeah, I was tired. You're damn right you sitting
down waiting and and and waitingand waiting and all of a sudden
would you have done that to Flair?
No. Would you have done that to
anybody else? No.
But you did it to me. So F you man.
(47:10):
And then the third time, you know, we meet in Orlando again,
you know, same thing. I get there about 11:30 noon and
you know, you got me waiting around like some fucking young
boy. You know, you could have easily
just, you know, bringing me in the office and said, hey, Devon,
you know, blah, blah, blah, thisis what we have to offer and
(47:30):
blah, blah, blah. I can say yes or no to it and be
on my way. But you didn't do that.
You kept me until 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, again, waiting
outside your office. I finally told my, my, my
lawyer. I said, only what I'm doing is
for the kids. I want to see my boys, you know,
make it. Other than that, he can go to
hell with all this disrespect. But yet he had a picture of
(47:54):
himself in the ECW arena holdingup a tad sign, jumping up and
down, cheering while I'm in the ring with Bubba.
And Bubba and I were feuding, the ECW hitting me, hitting
Bubba with a chair, cracking it over his skull.
(48:14):
And that was the night Tony was there and saw saw us at the
arena. And my agent goes, he's got this
picture he wants to show you. And, you know, he's a big, you
know, he's a big ECW fan of Mark, what have you.
I said, all right. I was like, I'll take a look at
the picture. And he showed me and I was like,
all right, cool. Interesting.
I was like, yeah, I remember that.
(48:34):
I remember that day. I remember that was November to
remember 96, I believe it was. I was like, yeah, I remember
that. He's like, yeah, He's like, you
guys were good. You know, you, you tore it down
or what have you? I love the ECW.
He's telling me the whole 9. So it's all right.
Cool. And again, you know, same thing,
(48:55):
you know, I'm like, you know, I want to be a producer.
I don't want to wrestle. Oh no, but you know, maybe you
could do a six man with the boysor A tag.
And I'm like, dude, you don't understand.
I'm just six months off of back surgery.
Why would I want to get in the ring and risk everything, you
know? And he just didn't seem to
understand that. So not my fault, but I can give
a damn less about what he thinksor or what he thinks of me.
(49:18):
I don't give a God damn. I don't work for you, nor do you
pay me anything. I'm happy with the WWE, I'm
happy with the legends deal, I'mhappy with whatever projects
they had me come to do and that's it.
Because they don't burn your bridge.
I'm not burning my bridge. Don't talk shit about me that
ain't true. You know, go F yourself.
Fall asleep. Anybody would fall asleep if
(49:38):
you're sitting up there from 11:00 to 3:00 in the morning.
Jackass or whoever put that story out again.
I didn't have AI. Don't have a problem with Tony,
but if you don't lie on me then I have a problem with it.
This is why you show up, folks. Each episode, you're going to
get this heat. I wait, wait.
I was right. You know, I love when I hear
that. I was right About what?
(49:59):
Oh no, you were right about everything in terms of, you
know, this, this this whole fiasco, it it's just it's nerve
wracking to know that you're going to try to cover your ass
and you don't really have to cover your ass.
You know, you didn't do anythingwrong.
So what the hell you putting outlies for?
If you all putting that out, whydid you put it out when you know
it's not true? You never once came to me and
(50:20):
said early OK let's test you out, here's a match let me see
you produce it. You didn't give me no bark.
You wanted to do that so don't freaking lie and say you did
because you didn't. I don't give a God damn how much
money a person has. Don't lie on me, especially when
I did nothing to you to make youlie.
(50:41):
You can kiss my ass and take that money and shove it up your
ass. I don't care.
I do not care. And I'm not trying to be an
asshole. I'm not trying to be mean.
But don't go do that. It ain't right.
You know damn well nobody asked me to be to produce any matches
there. I've been more than happy to do
it to show what I could do, but not once was that was that given
(51:02):
to me. So don't do that.
Well said, well said, and. I'm going to say this.
If you don't like me, you don't have to like me.
I don't need you to like me. You don't pay me.
I don't need you to like me if I'm blackballed, if I'm ever
showing up there, OK. And like Jamie Foxx said when he
(51:25):
was telling the joke about Jennifer Lopez, when Jennifer
Lopez got mad at him, he said, Jamie, I'm mad with you.
Why are you mad at me, Jenny? He was like, well, you said I
couldn't sing. And Jimmy went and you want to
black and see, fine, that's fine.
(51:45):
I don't give a damn. I don't have to show up every
day ever again. I'm not mad, nor am I bitter
about it. But don't lie.
Do not lie about shit like that.And that kiss ass you got by
your side. He can go to hell in terms of
talking about QT Marshall. I wish he would approach me.
I wish he would. It would be the last time you
(52:08):
ever approached me, OK? What what is the best way
everyone can can keep up with you and everything you got to
say out there, Devon cause clearly.
You got like, dude, you got me going.
I. Know right?
Oh man, you can check me out of my social media, I testify
(52:28):
Devon. Or again, I don't go on it as
much like I said I do. I do check the inbox for
messages. I testify Devon on Twitter.
My Facebook is private. I don't have any fans, just very
close friends and family on there.
So you won't be able to reach meon there.
(52:49):
And my YouTube channel, you know, check it out.
And if you have not checked out the documentary, please check it
out, like and subscribe, get theword out.
Tell me what you thought about the documentary.
We've already expressed how we felt about it.
Now it's your turn. Tell me what you felt.
Not to mention, tell me things that you would like to see on
the YouTube channel. Damn right, damn right.
(53:13):
As always, do close Rossin on Facebook, on Twitter, do close
rossingmail.com. Let me know what you think of
the show, Boy. We, we, we knocked it out of the
park again. Per usual, my brother, but it's
that time of the week. Give us our word of the week.
The word of the week is when youtell untrue stories, you get
(53:35):
reprimanded, you get told, and you just got told.
Whether you think you did or not, you just got told.
So don't lie about things that aren't true, because it's only
going to come back to bite you in the ass.
Testify. Yes, my brother.
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