November 13, 2025 • 50 mins
Earnest ‘EJ’ Christian and Greg Hrinya discuss Nico Harrison’s firing in Dallas, Anthony Davis trade rumors, Lakers/Thunder takeaways, the red hot Pistons, Warriors early season struggle, and Kevin Garnett explanation on why Ja Morant should play in Miami.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Welcome to another edition of the n B A show
on the Earth podcast. I am your host of Horst
Ernest e J. Christian. I know you said will come
every couple of weeks, but this is too much going
on in the NBA right now, So we have to
bring in my boy Chorus as always, gregorinia with us
as we do this every time we're on the show. Greg,
how are you doing, brother, I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Thanks thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yes, I had no I had no plans to doing
this show today, and then last night I said, you
know what, you got so much going on in the
league right now. It's just too much news to to
to not ignore. You know, these topics I've touched on
my on my pods and whatnot. We want to get
your your your reaction to like of course in Nico
Harrison firing and all the shit going on in Dallas
right now and as disaster. I want to touch on
(01:23):
a couple of things too. All So, we had a
really big, huge, big game last night between the Thunder
and the Lakers. The Pistons are red hot pistons right now.
Are they want eight in a row?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Now? The Warrior Struggles want.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
To touch on a little bit, and then of course
Kevin Garnett had some really interesting comments about uh where
John Morant should go should he get traded. But let's
get to the big news of course this week in
the NBA is of course the firing of one president
or GM, Nico Harrison for the Mavericks. Of course, he
most nobly. He's known for the guy that uh okay,
(01:53):
the or traded rather Luka Doncicne months ago to the
Lakers and things have not been kind.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Does to stay since that trade?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Not?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Like I said, I resplk my piece about the situation
on my shows this week. I'll ask you this, Greg,
Are you surprised that it happened just soon the firing?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
No, because I think the fan reaction had become so
toxic that it was now affecting guys like Cooper Flag
you know. I mean, like that was something that happened
well before he was on the team. And for him
to have to go to the free throw line like
lay in a game against the Bucks and hear you know,
the fans chanting fire and eco like from what I heard,
(02:36):
like they would have rather been playing games on the
road because it was harder for them to play in
front of their home crowd than it was to play
on the road. So I think when you look at
it from that standpoint, you now don't want to have
Cooper flag developing in an atmosphere that is toxic or
in any way prevents him from getting to the level
(02:58):
they think he can get to. And so I don't
think they wanted him to go through half a season,
a full season of basically playing eighty two road games.
So from that standpoint, it didn't really surprise me. I mean,
you know, I said on this pod the day after
it happened.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Or you know, our first podcast we did, we did
a reaction.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I actually didn't have a problem necessarily with trading Luca.
The issues were was the package that he got back, one,
which we said at the time was not enough. You
got to get Reeves, you got to get the extra
first round picks, So you have to maximize, like the
Lakers have to give you everything. They can't keep anything
on the table if you're only going to deal with them.
(03:39):
But I would have just had a bidding war for
him and then taken.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You know, could you imagine, let's go back to what
we're in forevery last year. Could you imagine what the
war would have been like had they've been announced. Okay,
Luca is on the on the market?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
How many times we will we try to what we
wired the new franchises and their rosters for this guy.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And the fact that Nico Harrison wanted to keep it
private because he didn't think that if it had become
public that Luca was on the block that would have
been a good situation. Well, that's probably a good sign.
You shouldn't be trading him in the first place. But
at least if you're going to like, let's say, let's
play out the scenario of like he really wants Anthony Davis,
(04:24):
he wants to lean into defense. Okay, fine, make the
trade that you made, but you've got to get the
extra first round pick. You've got to get Austin Reeves.
And even if you don't want Reeves because he doesn't
fit your defensive mantra of defense Wmens Championships, which we
heard a million times from everybody out of Dallas, then
flip Austin Reeves to another team and get a pick
(04:46):
or two plus another couple guys. I mean, they could
have turned that trade into something a lot more than
It was like I remember when the talk was Damian
Lillard being traded possibly to Miami, and he wound up
going to Milwaukee and they traded through Holiday. Well then
they flipped through Holiday and they turn that into pieces,
you know. So I mean it's like, even if that's
not the guy that you want, you can still use
(05:08):
that player to get other assets down the line. So
I feel like he just left a lot of meat
on the bone for that specific trade, right, which was
really his downfall. You know, I wasn't opposed to trading
Luca given that I don't know that Luca would have gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
In the physical shape that you know he presumably is
in now.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I mean again, you know, I don't know what shape
will be in come the end of the season. But
you know, when he went on his tour, his Ben
Simmons tour over the summer of like, you know, look
how good he looks and workouts and stuff like that.
But then you know, you see a game like last
night with the Lakers and Thunder, and it's like, how
close is Luca really to winning a title?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You know what I mean? It's funny.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
We did the Power rankings last week and I had
them third and it's like there's such a chasm between
first and third with how good Oklahoma City is, you know,
I don't know, It's just an interesting situation with the
decision to trade him and then where you go from there.
But I think a lot of that had to do
(06:12):
with just the feedback that the players that are currently
on the team are getting. And then now that we've
gotten this move, does the new regime that comes in
do they strip it down to the studs and go
into full rebuild? Which is funny because it's like a
rebuild that didn't need to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
But when you go into win now.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Mode and look, some of it's unfortunate. I mean, like
Kyrie blowing out his knee, that's unfortunate. And now, granted,
he is an injury prone player, even though he's not
like he hasn't been ancient, let's say.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But he's always, you know, going back to his Cleveland days.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I mean, he's a guy that's dealt with a lot
of injuries, a lot of miss games. And then Anthony
Davis is the poster child for missing games. So I mean,
you leaned into a win now team with two guys
that were not reliable it's unfortunate they got hurt. It
was also predictable they would.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Get hurt, like and you a pair an injury prone
guy with another injury prone guy, like I was saying
Anty Davis, Like, of course, when he's healthy, he's a
top five ten player in the league. But he's been
flet league what twelve thirteen years, and this is all
we've known anthy David is that great player, great talent,
Hafflin player, but can't stay healthy. That's been a narrative
every single year. So why do you start to change
(07:21):
now at age three two?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know what I mean? And it make any sense,
That's what I'm saying. You can have still gotten more
on top of all that, you can still got more
draft picks out of that.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
And yet I do think that Nico Harrison, while he
was you know, obviously he brought this up.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Obviously it was just idea, this is the goal. I
think the ownership in the Mavericks don't get enough blame here.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
He signed the sword for this one because there was
You cannot convince me at all, there was no way
hell that that ownership group. I don't get into that.
If he were still in transition or not they even
okay this okay, if anyone Luca Gonn He's gonna be there.
Reguards wanted to get. Harrison thinks it says okay. My
buddys Zach on the show when we did the podcast
(08:02):
two nights ago, he said he would have got.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
If that offer was even brought to me as an option,
I would have fired Meeker Harrison much less the executing itself.
Just the idea of train at look at Dodgic is
fiable to me in my opinion. You know, now, look again,
I understand the logic.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's concerns about his conditioning and this and that and
investing three hundred million dollars or a player that could
have issues with conditioning and whatnot and health and you know,
staying healthy. But at the same time, you're still looking
at our top three player. Again, the real sin here
was not the trade.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You and I agree.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The real sin here is the return because again you
cannot tell me that Mikkel Bridges gets five per front picks.
Literally listen, a year before that trade happens, and you're
training this guy generation player for peanuts.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And we saw it this past time with Desmond Bane.
I mean it's the same sort of return.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And so you've got two guys going for four and
five picks respectively, and some swaps and.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you know some salary.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Uh no, no all Star games between them, right, you
have to max out that return more so. And look,
we said at the time, like it's the only time
to all pro nb NBA players from the previous season
were traded for each other.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So I mean like it is a unique situation.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Where typically when you have a move like this, it's
draft picks being swapped. U. You know, like there's a
huge return going one way or the other in terms
of five or six picks for an all star caliber guy.
Because a team realizes that it's hitted ceiling, they want
to rebuild. It's not often that you see a team
taking a star in his prime and then and then
(09:45):
moving him. But if you're going to do that, you
then have to get way more than they did right.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Right now, Hills rumors too old things. Things are still
pretty bad. But well quick cowage and things that happen
here that resent has happened, ka aiding and hurts. Kyrie
getting hurts you to get the draft pick and crew flag.
He's been mid at best. Okay, so far been mid
now Granton I got his fault, he's banged up. We
(10:10):
get it, Okay, Mavericks slow starts, Lakers fast start, Luca
in shape, would fast start without Lebron James, Fans reaction,
billboard say farm Nico, crowdsing farm Nico. You can complude
all those things together to one big pile of shit.
That is why it it's fired.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a perfect storm for him.
But and look, ownership or whomever is involved.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Other front office people.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
You could say that them getting Cooper Flag, even if
he's the best best prospect in.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
The league, that's luck, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I mean that wasn't like it wasn't like Nico Harrison
devised some sort of plan.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
To acquire Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
They happened that the ping pong balls happened to bounce
the right way. And I mean in Flag's defense, Uh,
And I guess this is Jason kid problem, Like he
should not have been thrust into the role of point.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Guard like he's that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah yeah, so, I mean, like that's not a good
role for him to start out with. And where Nico
gets into trouble is that you knew that Kyrie Irving
was not going to be available for at the very
best half the season. His only move was to bring
in D'Angel Russell, who has bounced around the league for
the past five six years. Yeah, that isn't enough, you know,
(11:29):
I mean, that's that's not solving a problem that existed.
You're basically getting a turnstile on defense and a guy
who's streaky at best on offense to replace Kyrie Irving,
and then you're gonna have Cooper Flag running point like that.
They had all summer basically try and devise a plan
that was better than what it turned out to be.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I'm not actually.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Worried about Cooper Flag just because I feel like if
he's in the right role, I mean, you saw it
the other night against the Bucks, I believe get twenty
six points. He looks strong, but obviously it's been inconsistent.
But he's also eighteen, so you know, I'm not gonna
freak out about that. I mean, Kate Cunningham took a
few years too before he turned into what he eventually
turned into.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And now what Ham rumors now that the the Mavericks
are irritating thoughts of now treating Empie Davis, which I
get it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Now, they're now they're going to respind, respend.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
That that asset, which it kind of could have done
probably last year, and make up more for it now
that asset's now banged up, hurt again, since hurt again now,
and you know, I don't know which team's going to
touch that contract.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I mean, you don't as good as he is.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean the move to have made was after
they won the lottery than to immediately pivot off Davis
then correct, right, so healthy say, okay, uh, they're they're
using Cooper flag as a win now piece as opposed
to let's let's take this window of two or three
years and let's extrapolate it to ten by going by
(12:55):
breaking it down, doing basically what the Spurs did, and
say we'll take a couple of years, a lean years,
so that in three or four years, who can be
really good. But now I can't even like I've thought
about this, I can't even come up with a trade
that makes sense because I don't think that he's worth
any assets that you'd be required to give given the
(13:18):
money that you'd have to have to make work. Right,
it's not he's making fifteen million dollars a year, like
you have to cobble together a lot of salary.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I mean you're probably.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Looking at forty five fifty million dollars worth of salary
that you need to put together. And I wouldn't give
up any picks for him. I mean, the guy's thirty
two about to be thirty three, in bad shape his
you know, I mean you see pictures of it of him.
He does not look like he's physically fit. His jumper
(13:48):
has abandoned him basically since the bubble, so he's not
a floor stretcher. So I don't really know where there's
a good fit for him in terms of giving up assets,
like like if I were Knicks, when I take him
for nothing, sure, but like I'm not trading anything.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's not my roster for trying Cat this point, I
want to take no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
The only guy that you're trading Cat for, it would
be honest, is in a hypothetical, I'd rather have Cat
every day of the week over eight just because at
the very least Cat can stretch the flour and shoot threes.
Any Davis isn't shooting threes, then he's always hurt. At
least Cat's playing and he gives me a skill that
can be replicated night after night.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Amy Davis. Right now, he has two he has this
year on his deal, fifty four million dollars next year
at age three three for the eight to four, and
then a player option, which at this point he's gonna
opt in that thing, the way things are going at
sixty two seven.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean so, yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
For all intents and purposes, you have to make fifty
four million dollars worth of salary go back. You know,
the Bulls are the team de jorb is. They have
Vucevic's expiring contract.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
But it's like, I twenty dollars things, a twenty million things,
if that thirty million maybe the most.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah, you'd have to piece together some players. But it's like,
I'm not demolishing my depth over a guy who's gonna
be thirty three and who can't stretch the floor, and
and he's a great defensive player when he plays, but
he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Play that much.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
So I mean, like I just can't make a good
argument for a team trading for him, which puts Dallas
in a tough spot. Like I agree with them pivoting
off Ad and most likely Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But it's like, who are you pivoting to what?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Because you need a team that's willing to make that
work on their end. And even if there is a team,
they're not going to get what they would want to
get in a trade like that. I mean, he is
not a positive asset at this point. He's a negative
asset if anything.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Alright, making eight this year's last year's deal twenty dollars,
I guess you a sweetheart contract now for a guy.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
That's a good deal for the Bulls. I mean if
you look for and it's not just Dallas. I mean
with how strong this draft is going to be, and
I mean we could spend shows just talking about draft prospects.
But this is a generational draft. You're gonna see teams
pivoting real fast off of like if they get off
to a slow start, you're gonna see teams thrown into
the tow quickly, because this is not a year that
(16:19):
you want to be in the plane. If you unless
you don't have your own pick, in that case, so
be it. But if you have control over your lot,
over your pick next year, like Indiana, you see what
Indiana is doing, like it's a gap year, for them,
they don't want to be in the plane and they
want to give themselves a chance at maximizing the value
of that pick. Well, Haliburton's hurt, so next year they
(16:40):
can bring back a top five pick who could be
an All Star alongside Haliburton, and then they can move
forward that way. So I mean, you know, you're gonna
see a lot of teams pivoting. And the reason why
I bring that up is maybe Chicago goes after Demanta
Savonis instead of a Anthony Davis. You know, like you're
gonna see teams like Sacramento who are going to pivot
(17:00):
into a tank real quickly because in the West, there's
no point in being nine or ten. If they could
even get to that point, you're better off just tearing
it apart and trying to rebuild around one of these
top players.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So obviously lottery lucks is going to come into play.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
But if you make this decision in December January to
start tanking, it's too late because you've already got three
or four teams that have got a light up on you.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You know, I'll do next episode, we do will label,
We'll figure out those general players that may come out
next year in to draft because it's news to me.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Like I said, I didn't realize the draft.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
I could tell you three of them. I mean, Darren
Peterson out of Kansas. People are comparing him to Kobe
I mean, you know, like and that's not me saying that,
that's other people saying that, Like he is seen as
it can't miss first overall pick, you know, in the
likes of your Lebron's, your Wemby's accepting a guard position
(18:00):
so he doesn't have like a freak body, but like
he's just got tremendous skill and athleticism. And then the
other two guys Cameron Boozer Carlos Boozer's son and aj
De bonson BYU Like those guys in a normal year
would be slam dunk number one picks. It's just that
with Peterson, like those three guys are like those are
(18:22):
like the crown jewels of the draft. That's why you
see the teams already tanking to start the year because
they want to get their hands on one of those guys.
And it's not to say that the fourth pick in
Mikel Brown or Nate Ahman or Caleb Wilson at a
un see not say those aren't going to be great
All Star caliber players, but these three guys are seen
(18:42):
as like number one.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Overall pick caliber players.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
So so teams, now, this year is not the year
to wind up with like the fourteenth or fifteenth pick. Like,
if you're not competing for a championship, you're better off
leaning into this strategy to try and maximize that pick.
Even if you wind up with the eighth the ninth odds, Uh,
you still want to give yourself a shot at it, right,
(19:06):
all right, just.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Put it to last NaN's action.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
We had a big game last night in Okay see
the thunder once again.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I mean they are on a tear now.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
They're I think told the one now when a big
winner with the Lakers one twenty one ninety two. You
know this this game was looked at as possible maybe
you know, you talking something to like maybe West Commence
Finals preview. Possibly it's clear these two teams are still
for four apart the Okay see and again they're doing
(19:34):
a jail Wilm still right mistaking he's not playing yet,
so they're not even full strength. They when the same
the best player out you know, and uh, yet they're
still doing what they're doing here?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
What what was you take away last second?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Well, I mean I turned it off at halftime because
I mean it was, you know, a thirty two point
game at halftime.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It was from intensive purposes over at that point. Uh yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I mean they're just a well oiled machine right now.
And I think that it's it's them and everybody else. Granted,
I mean again, I still have Denver as and look,
Denver is nine to two, you know, I mean, they're
they're only one game in the loss behind okay See.
For as great as okay See has been, Denver's been
every bit the equal now. Granted, if the series were
(20:17):
played today, I take okay See. Uh but it's a
long season. Denver's got some moving parts that they need
to acclimate into their system. You know, we'll say how
it goes. But I mean, okay See is a well
oiled machine. They've gotten contributions from aj Mitchell, Cason Wallace,
the other, Jalen Williams. So I mean they're just sliding
(20:40):
guys into their lineup and they're not missing a beat.
So that speaks to how well coached they are. And
Draymond Green brought up a good point that like, these
guys love playing with each other and that matters. You know,
there's there's a culture that's around that team that isn't
it's not just a buzzword that organizations used to sell tickets,
(21:01):
Like these guys actually have bought into a system.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
They enjoyed playing with each other.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
And they've got a good thing going right now, and
if they can stay healthy, they're still going to be the.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Favorite to win it all again.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
But again, we're ten, you know, ten twelve, thirteen games
in for various teams, so long way to go.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
But obviously you couldn't have dreamed up a better start
for them.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And as this morning, they were a plus one hundred
Winter Finals to win a championship. So I mean they
were heavy favorite right now to repeat as champs and
again doing something on WILLMS. I mean, it's impressive.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Well one note on that, like plus two hundred. I
would have imagined it would have been like one minus
one twenty five or something.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Maybe maybe maybe there's updated but maybe would get back. Look.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
So I mean, like plus two hundred to me, isn't
the slam dunk that I would have thought given how
good they've looked. I mean, you know, my buddy always
brings up to me like this was I want to
say twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, like the Bucks
when they were before they had won their first time
title or their title with Giannis and Middleton and Drew Holliday,
(22:03):
like they they got knocked off prior to getting to
the finals, but they were minus one eighty to go
to the.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Finals one year. So I mean, like that would be,
like you know, it.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Might be because of Jenal still out though I think
once he's back in the lineup once to see him
back in the lineup, that might adjust. And I think
maybe I don't think maybe also because Denver's also stunted
a heat up towo. Also maybe they closed the gap
a little bit there.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, But but you would think that Jalen Wollen's
returning is built into optimism the fact that they are
they are and he's not even playing that they would
be And again I'm not saying they should be minus
three hundred and minus four hundred, but like you think,
like minus one ten minus one is given how they've looked,
(22:46):
So plus two hundred isn't the slam dunk that I
would have thought.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You know, it is they've looked I think last year
because they kind of did this last year too also
were they want to see a games and they were
dominant to starting to finish they had to port devential
like thirteen pins last year, but then they had those
pushback in playoffs and maybe they and some teams they.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Get better they' shooting playoffs. Mabe.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
That's why this will apprehension that, yeah, their favorites. But
let's hold up a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
And that's that's why, Uh I chose Denver prior to
the year. It's just because I feel like there's no
answer to stopping Jokic, and I feel like, could the
outside shooting for the Thunder in the playoffs when the
game slows on, slows down and you game plan to
takes some of those things away. Could Denver's better much
better depth sort of mitigate some of the advantages that
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Thunder have in a seven game series.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Uh play, But.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Again, we're only we're only a couple of weeks into this.
You know, we're basically a month into the season. You know,
we still have four months to go.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
So yeah, and they look the Devilok's good. They look,
they look like they are ready for this next run here,
so we'll see.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
And what I would say about Denver too, is that
like you've got Cam Johnson and Christian Brown, two starters,
basically giving them nothing. Like they're playing as bad as
you could possibly imagine two players play. I mean, camp
Johnson I want to say, is eight for thirty eight
on threes this year. And Christian Brown has struggled since.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
The last night.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Well, yeah he got hurt. Yeah he had like a
wrist for arm strain. They say he was questionable to
come back, didn't come back. Christian Brown was limping around
the floor. He also left injured. That's why he saw
Jokic go for fifty five because they were just down
some bodies.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like fucking good bro. But that that dude is so amazing.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
But again, you know, the thing that people forget with
the Michael Porter Junior trade is that it wasn't just
getting Camp Johnson. It was the flexibility to go out
and get a Tim Hardaway junior, to get a Valancenis,
to get up Bruce Brown, guys that they wouldn't have
been able to get if they were up against it financially.
So they were able to free up twenty million dollars
with that Porter Junior trade or you know, nineteen eighteen,
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nineteen twenty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
How was he doing? How was he doing by way
in Brooklyn MPG.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I mean his numbers are off the charts good, but
they're also one to ten, so I mean, you know
it's you know, Cam Johnson's numbers. Yeah, Cam Johnson's numbers
are off the charts too, and NETS fans last year
are like, oh, we need to hold out for multiple picks.
You know, this guy is an all star caliber player.
And then he goes to Denver. It's like, it's very
easy to play in an atmosphere where you have the
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ultimate cream light and the team's not even trying to
win games, so.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
There is no pressure.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
He's allowed to go out there and shoot twenty five
times a game and no one's going to question about
a shot diet. When you're playing with Jokic and you're
expected to compete for a title, it's a totally different thing. So, yes,
he's you know, I don't have his average off the
top of my head, but he's scoring twenty five to
thirty pretty much every game. But they're also losing every game.
So I mean, you know, like, what what do those
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stats mean? Ultimately that that would not be his his shot,
diet and his numbers if he were still in Denver.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So I mean, you know, it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Say, right he also, look, story now is that the
Pistons now they want eight in a row.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
No Number one in the East, ten and two overall.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
My god, I mean, obviously, what we saw last year
was there was not anomaly that was that that was
a sad thing's coming. Now this person team is you know,
we talk about teams that could challenge the status quo
of this year of the Nickson, the Cavaliers, and we
mentioned teams that could possibly pierce stat top of the East.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And I guess the chart right now might be the
team that U make things interesting up there.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
We think, Yeah, I mean, I think they're a really
good regular season team. I think where they're doing now
is great. I wonder how well this will hold up
in the playoffs. I think they still have a lack
of outside shooting that could rear its head. I mean,
you saw the other night they beat the Wizards. Now
granted that they were they were missing quite a few guys,
but Kate Cunningham went fourteen for forty five from the field.
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They missed thirty one shots, So I.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Mean like points.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, So I mean like that's not like for him,
Like that's an awful game, you know, for you know,
to to score forty six and forty five shots. I
I don't know that they have the outside shooting that
will again when the game slows down, when teams are
matching up for that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But they have all their assets.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
They're a prime They are one of those teams that
you hear in the last couple of days mentioned for
Anthony Davis, which I'd never do in a million years.
But they have the assets, they have the salary. They
could move Tobias Harris. He's making twenty five million a year.
He's on an expiring deal. Like that's an easy trade
than to make. I personally would rather see them make
that trade for Laurie Markinen because he gives you that
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outside shooting that they so desperately need. And I think
that's a much better pairing with Duran. And again not
to say they might not make any move. They might
say let's just stay of the course.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
We like where we are.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
We want to wait for something even bigger down the
line before we cash in all our chips. Maybe they
don't want to cash in their chips for a Desmond
Bane or a McHale Bridge's caliber player. Even though you
could make the argument that he's that marketing is a
little better than that, But I still think that there's
some outside shooting that they need to get. They added
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Duncan Robinson, which is great, but like in the playoffs,
he's going to be a guy that teams hunt on
every possession. I don't even know how playable he's going
to be in the playoffs. That's just me thinking, remember
that story, Yeah exactly. So, I mean, like it looks
great when you're playing three games in four nights, when
you know it's the middle of December, the middle of January,
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Like all that stuff looks great. I just wonder against
a team that's going to game plan for that, Like,
how does that look against Cleveland in the playoffs where
they can basically take some of these guys out and
you're relying on Caid to make a lot of shots,
and like right now, like I wouldn't say that they've
got a tremendous amount of shooting. Durn's not a shooter.
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Caid isn't like your typical shooter. Ron Holland isn't like
this great shooter. I mean, Tobias Harris is Okay, he's
hurt right now, but I mean, you know he's not
a knockdown shooter. So I mean, I just look throughout
the their lineup. Isaiah Stewart not a shooter. Really need
Jade and Ivy to one be healthy and to be
the catch and shoot shooter that he showed in glimpses
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last year. But I mean, again, you know, he's hurt
a lot, so they don't have a lot of a
lot of spacing around the floor, which I think will
hurt them in a in a longer series in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
But if we're just talking regular.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Season, they could finishes the two seed in the East
their three seed in the East like pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, yeah, different story. Kay Cunningham definitely MVP conversation in
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Then again, unefficient a night a couple of nights ago,
but on the wise, still carrying that team to what
they're doing so far.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Let's not warms a quick the goals and warrins.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Struggles not only won last night in San Antonio, Steph
Steph after a couple you know, miss a couple games,
don't mean sick whatnot. You had a rough game against
Okay see on Tuesday, but who hasn't at this point
but exposed points.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But overall for the Warriors, it feels like a let
down so far. And uh dream on Greens on this
recently after the after the loss of the Thunder two
nights ago, his uh, his thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
As a personal agenda, uh in this league. But you
have to make those personal agenda work in the team confines,
and if it doesn't work, then you kind of gotta
get rid of your agenda or or eventually the agenda
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is the cause of someone getting rid of you.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
All right, Well, what I want to know you what
do you who do you think was referring to? Because
like people O. Mackie think it's Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Butler, but it's not Jamy Butler, because Butler even himself.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Agree with with h with uh Draymond's uh thoughts that
he had a quote all the saying he was quoted
saying everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Has to be honest himself.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
We just got to get back to doing whatever it
is it takes to win everybody's got going to have
the sac of bite something. So he him and dreamond
on the same page. So who do you think Draymond
Green reforming to.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
It's either Brandon Pajamski or Jonathan Kuminga or both, or
you know, one of them or both.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, I mean Pajenski, I don't know if it was.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
During media day or after the preseason game, but he
said that, like his goal is to be better than
Steph Curry prior to the season and the last night's game,
both Pagenski and Kuminga were coming off the bench, So
I mean that's why, like two guys who had been starting, they.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Got moved to the bench.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
This comes right after Draymond's comments, So I mean, I
feel like it's a safe bet that's that it's one
of the two of them.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, let's face it.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I mean we knew with Kuminga, like they really haven't
furthered his development since the day that they drafted him.
He's wanted to get out of there forever, so it
shouldn't be a surprise that they're having issues with him.
And Pajenski hasn't been, hasn't. I mean, he's averaging twelve
thirteen points a game, Like he's fine, but I mean
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like he hasn't really developed past.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Where you probably would have expected he would a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
So and other than those two guys, they're an old team,
you know. I mean, you know, you're relying on Curry
and Butler and Draymond to turn back the clock. Nothing
that really goes on with them surprises me from like
a loss standpoint, just because I feel like they're gonna
have games where they look great because they've got good talent.
But over an a two game season, then a you know,
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one and a half two month playoffs late, how do
they hold up during that? I don't know that the
answers very well. So you know, I think that if
we're talking about two k they have a really good roster,
But how does that practically work with guys that are
past their prime a bit? I feel like that's gonna
be a struggle for them, especially when you see some
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of these young teams young athletic. Yes, they won last night,
but I mean over the long term, like a team
like San Antonio, I feel like is just going to
run them out of the building, given their speed, their
size or athleticism all that so right.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And I don't think this team, I mean, are they
good enough to crack the top six? No, West, Yes,
they have the talent, but so many things that so
many things I've won in place for to happen.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
They're not better in Okac. Obviously, they're not better in Denver.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Then that at this point, I've been in the Spurs,
know what I see that happening this point, The Rockets better,
the Lakers when the get Lebron backers will be better.
And then you have the situation with Minnesota. You know,
edwards they're better than goal through my opinion, Phoenx is
playing better this year so far. You know, one four
in a row, so like they're playing team. Yes, but
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you don't sign jobone that kind.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Of money to be a playing team. You know what
I'm saying. It's termely the bus this point.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Now, Yeah, I mean I think that they're a solid
five or six seed at this point, but ceiling yes, yeah,
but to your point, like they don't match up well. Obviously,
no one matches up well with OKAC or Danver, but
like even Houston, like they're gonna get bludgeoned by Houston.
Just given the rebounding issue, like they're the Warriors don't
have size, and the Rockets basically their offense is, we
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don't even care if we miss the first shot. We
know we're gonna get the rebound. So I mean, I
think the Rockets are they're rebounding something ridiculous, like I
don't know, forty percent of their of their misses they're
coming down with the ball. So I mean, like their
strategy is just we're gonna have more size, more athleticism,
and we're just gonna beat you up that way. Like
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that's not the Warriors game. So like, I don't see
that matching up. Well, if you're assuming that the first, second,
third seeds are gonna be okay, see Denver and the
Houston and then the Lakers, I guess like that's I
don't know that you can make the argument for Golden
State getting past the first round.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And even if they do get past the first round,
I don't see them getting.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Past the second round and getting given that they're an
old team, Like I just don't know where they're going necessarily.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, barring injury, I don't see any sixteens really getting
out of this. I think the sixteens. You see right
now currently in the sixth right now are your six teams.
I don't see this changing at all. I really don't
like the Clippers are the Clippers are done, Beal is
out for the year. You know, I don't see what
team can potential gain in the six. It's only one
I could consider.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Everybody else is done. So you're six or six in
the West Man, so they're playing team. So this fealing
to me is a sixth seed. And I don't think
unless something that's Minnesota craters or Lakers crater when Lebron's back,
I don't see.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I think I think they're cooked. I think they're cooked.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
You could have a huge injury that impacts on one
of those top three teams, like if you gets hurt
or that's different like that, Like, yeah, that's a that's
a different topic. But I mean, if we're assuming all
things being equal, uh, they would need a lot to
happen in front of them, I think to make the
kind of run that they want.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
You're in a bad you're in a bad place when
you're wish casting things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, so there you go, by Well, last thing.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
To get out of here, man Kevin Garnett on his
podcast KGI Certified.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
We discussed this on the show last week about John
Moran and his future and what's going on there. Kevin Durant.
Kevin Garnett had some great interesting words about where Ja
Moran should be traded to, where he should should try
to push the play at play at some point if
he does get traded in his his uh his comments.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Thought, joh to Miami, Miami got some structure. Yeah, you
just ain't dawn there doing what the fuck. You might
be good, then there's real structure than making you a professional.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Matter of fact, Miami might.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Be one of the last of the Mohicans when it
comes to this, Bro, you know what I'm saying, They
might be the last to have real culture to when
when you come in you're actually better. I'm talking about
when you see an immediate impact. If if Miami gets
a summer with you, you come in the you come
into the year looking better, Your body gonna be better,
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your mentality gonna be better. Whatever that ship they pumping
down in the in the three oh five, Bro, that
shit works because you go down there thinking it's one thing,
and that structure, that culture, you forget about the X
players that's in there, that's in the office, the coaches
that used to play for the whole system, queen, and
you know what I'm saying, all those guys they come
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from that bro, Listen, that's why I would like to
see him. John needs some structure, culture of something that's goed.
He ain't never seen this, right, he ain't never seen
this type of front office.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And and damn would be a good Parentah.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Bro, that'd be scary. Southern boys playing together. They both
love basketball, they both are Jim junkies. You know what
I'm saying, that's what you want.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You know, if he asked you this last year, I'm
just saying, no sale. But my dad and I my dad,
my brother and I, you know, with big he fans,
And we've been talking about this off off air for
the last couple of weeks now about okay, if there's
a will to get would you consider X, Y and
Z John Moran, And I gotta be honest with you.
I have slowly pivoted now and say, you know what,
I'm not against the idea of Jock on Miami, giving
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the right price and giving the right how much assets
And for me My reasoning for this is because it
has nothing to do with job. Well, obviously job of course,
but I trust the Miami Heat culture. I trust Eric
Spolstra to be able to rehab him and to get
him back to.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Be KG hit hit on nail on the head. It's
the structure that makes it work.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Jeane Butler was looked at someone that is like, was
a whatever, you know, a really good player, but kind
of a problematic guy. Obviously, things and badly here. But
he came in Miami and for most of those years
you're here in Miami, things are great, two Finals appearances
in fact, with that, you know, and they have the
Heat for years. Forget the Lebron's and all the all
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the big stars they've had through the year of Shacks.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He name it, Dwayne Wade. Lots of players have come
here to get rehabbed, have gone on to get bigger
contracts elsewhere because of what they've done in Miami, because
of playing here. I remember lou All Dang was was
a diminished.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Player at one point, came down here for a couple
of years, had two really good, solid years. It'll get
a big ass deal in la Very next After his
second year at Miami, you know, so there is the
knack for the Heat to do this. Now, Jaw has
to be able to buy in and whatnot. But the
reason why I'm more intrigued now about a Ja Morant
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Miami Heat hearing is because I trust the Heat and
the culture to keep that synergy because they have the
history to do it and they have done a time time.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Again your thoughts, I personally, if I in Miami, wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
And I'll give you a list of reasons why. I
think that that's a great move. Everything that was in
the video and everything you said is great for Jah.
I think that if I were him, I'd want to
go to Miami. That would be great for resetting his
career and getting him on a better path, et cetera.
I'd personally rather have Tyler hero Jaw to me, and
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it's not because of off the court stuff. I just
don't think right now he's that good. He was three
for eighteen the other night. He's not a good shooter,
so I mean, you need him to be in and
around the paint, so he's going to have to get
banged around. He's going to play a physical style. You know,
you can't rely on him to go out there and
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give you five or six three pointers a game. I
mean again, three for eighteen is in a long line
of games recently, and you could say, oh, he's not
motivated this, that or the other, but like, he's never
profiled as a great outside shooter, so I'd rather have
Tyler Hero shooting. That's first second. Currently the heat since
the second Spectrums started tracking the data, they're averaging eighteen
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pick and rolls per one hundred possessions. That's the lowest.
Prior to that was like thirty nine. So they basically
leaned into this dribble drive, driving, kick offense, the not
setting a ton of screens. John Moran got upset last
year with memphisis coaching because they weren't running enough pick
and rolls. They up that till like fifty eight pick
and rolls per one hundred possessions. Still not good enough
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for him. It's not even so much the culture and
him being a malecontent and all that. I just don't
think that an undersized guard who plays a physical style,
who's prone to injury, who can't shoot, who has leadership questions,
even in a system that brings out the best leadership
qualities in him. I just don't know that he's like
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I think that his name is better than his game
at this point.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
And I might have even said that last week. He's
a nice name.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
But like you know, when you listen to these other
podcasts and people start throwing out, you know, trade ideas,
you always hear like the same, the same, the same teams.
Miami comes up, Milwaukee comes up as they're looking for
a guy to pair with Jannis. But like, if I'm Milwaukee,
I'd rather have Ryan Rollins right now than Job because
Ryan Rollins is reliable from three, He's got a six
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to eleven wing span, he plays defense, you know, like
I I'd rather a player like that than Joe. And
John makes forty million dollars. So I mean, you've got to.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Like you so much. Someone that thinks that John Morant
cannot be rehabbed at all, you think this is it?
This is this is a dounce.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
I mean, to me, it is the fact that and
I'm not saying it wrong for the record, I think
there's definitely something to be said that he hasn't add
to his game. He's not a premier shooter, so that's
that's the one thing that's one demerit against them there.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
But again, we.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Forty million dollars were a guy who was looked at
as as the body face and faced the league three
years ago. It's still actually a pretty good bargain based
on his age right now, if you assume, if if
you assume that he can be rehabbed.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Which I I'm not believed there that you can't be.
But I see a point.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
But let's let's say, let's just play this out and
say Memphis they don't want Tyler Hero, They'd rather have
Andrew Wiggins and Jovich and somebody else, you know, just
to fill out the salary.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Like, I don't want to make that that deal if
I'm the.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Heat like personally, like, would I take John Morant try
and rehabilitate him as a free agent on like a
mid level exception? Sure, but I just don't know that
I want to give up forty million dollars worth of
assets and possibly a pick or more. Like, I just
don't think that he has that value, and I don't
think teams value his skill set to warrant giving up
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forty million dollars worth of trade collateral. So no, I
wouldn't make that move and it's a lot like Anthony Davis.
I don't see a market for either one of those
guys because of the high numbers that they're making. I
think it's far easier to you know, because if you're
going to be trading forty forty five million dollars worth
of assets, I'd rather go out and get Lori Markinen,
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who I know is going to reliably give me three
point shooting and who can score thirty a night, and
he's not going to be a problem problem in the
locker room, like if you can't space the floor in
this league, you're in trouble. And Miami would basically have
to overhaul everything they've done to this point. Now that
they'd have to overhaul it a little bit. Once Hero
comes back, they'll add more more pick.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
And there there are two options I saw looking at
the numb here.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Let me because a real quick but there are two
options here.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
You're probably just scream me what I said here because
there's already talk about Tally Hero's future in Miami beyond
the season. I think he has one in his contract,
but you know, not want to be a lame duck.
I think let me see his contract quicker. So tal
a Hero right now currently excuse me, sports tracks were
a little slow today.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I don't why.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
All right, So Tala here right now currently twenty six
so he has Yes, I was right, he's one year
his deal up this year, so he's getting thirty one
million dish.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
That's a cap.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I'm sorry, thirty three five this year and then three
five to five next year. John's getting forty. You developed
that last week, so they're not far off numbers wise
in terms of uh that that deal.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
So if you're a heat, I was telling my dad
the other day that I would rather trade trade Hero
and a one more piece or even a pick. At
this point it could be first a second round pick
of this one. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
For for job based on these numbers, because their contracts
are almost identical in a sense.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
The Age Grangels also identical as well. I'd rather trade
Hero and the pieces we have around the guys who
have now, like the you know, the Powells and the
you know, the yo bitches and all this stuff that
you know, than twenty those other pieces. I know it's risky,
but I do think there's something to be said though.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Tell a Hero could also this concern here Miami tow
Wilson that when he gets back that he could forgot
about a word fuck with the chemistry here because he
is he is a ball stopper.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Yeah, yeah, he's not a perfect player by any means,
but I'd rather have his outside shooting. And I know
John's not gonna give me shooting, so I know that
a Hero's case. Even if I took him off the
ball and said go stand in the corner, he could
still give me a fort thirty eight percent clip catch
and shoot threes, whereas John needs to have the ball.
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I mean not to say that Tyler Hero doesn't. I'm
just not a big fan right now of what job
brings to the table to justify and not just for
the heat, but just for any team, you know. I
mean the team is probably the leader in the clubhouse,
the Sacramentos. I feel like they're always going to be
a team that's looking to acquire a star level or
a star name because they're not going to get one
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any other way.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
So you always hear them brought up.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
But like a lot of other teams, it just doesn't
make sense to me, Like I'd rather go the path
than I'm going. Like again, use Milwaukee as the example,
Like they're desk withate for talent to put around Yannis,
and I would take the talent that they've already got personally,
So I think it's yes, Miami makes sense for Joh.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
That would be a great spot for him.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
But I don't if they if the Heat were willing
to play hardball with Damian Lillard, who brought a skill
set that I think fit a lot better with what
they do, I don't know that they being hind to
make that move for a job.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
But you know, you never know. They've been winning a
while to make a big The.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Only difference between Damon Damon and John, I'm not saying
obvious Dame's better than John bout his slice it the
age guy, Like, I think the contractible job right now
is that he's still mid twenties, so they're still time
to get good years out of him, assuming you believe
your culture could do that now.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
But job was threty years old. I'm not touching the ship.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Yeah yeah, but I don't think Joh has a winning
skill set at this point, Like he's he's never won
anything to this point, and I mean Zachloe said it best.
He's like at some point, I need to see a
little more winning from you. Like we do a lot
of talking about him as a player, but it's like
we do too much talking for a guy who's really
never accomplished anything.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
So that's a good point if you.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Factor in that he's not a good shooter and he's
even if you're saying he's gonna be Mother Teresa when
he comes over to the heat, I still don't know
that his skill set in today's game that really relies
on shooting is a good fit for most teams. And
what he makes if you're hitting him the mid level exception, yeah,
(48:09):
I would take a shot on that. But you're paying
him to be an all star player, and if you
don't think that he's an all star level player, uh,
you know, he's basically uh you know, Russell Westbrook without
the competitive attitude. Obviously young at a younger age, but
I mean that's kind of like, you know, he's almost
like a poor man's Westbrook at this point, right.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
And my biggest compedition about that for years about him
is the fact that he is, forget everything off corn aside,
he is still on the court a high risk, highway
war player because he is someone that does get hurt
often because a style of play, so Ken spostra reel
that in.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, I question.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Steve Novak made a comment the other night when I
was watching the Nicks Grizzlies game that Jah looked back
to them and said something along the lines of like,
I'm not trying to get hurt out here.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Like to me, that just like that.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
But that's mindset.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's just a horrible mindset to have.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
And also the fact that he's a guy who's very
He's not Michael Bridges out there, you know. I mean,
like he misses a lot of games with injury in
addition to having a questionable skill set. Even if you're
changing the mindset, the injuries, the lack of shooting, Like
I wouldn't want to part with my assets for that personally.
But that that's just me. That's not to say that
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he can't be a good player somewhere, just not at
his price, not at what you're giving up in right.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
That makes not sense. It's not sense either way.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
So all right, Greg breg on Twitter course at g
hereingy g h r I n y A on NBA
on on Twitter's well too.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I am, of course as well on X at E J.
Christin seven. Once again is the NBA show here and
maybe we'll come out next weekend. We'll see you then.
The big story jobs and who knows, Lebron maybe get straight.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
I don't know, anything can happen you, I mean, so
until next time, We'll talk to you guys soon and later,
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Welcome to another edition of the n B A show
on the Earth podcast. I am your host of Horst
Ernest e J. Christian. I know you said will come
every couple of weeks, but this is too much going
on in the NBA right now, So we have to
bring in my boy Chorus as always, gregorinia with us
as we do this every time we're on the show. Greg,
how are you doing, brother, I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Thanks thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yes, I had no I had no plans to doing
this show today, and then last night I said, you
know what, you got so much going on in the
league right now. It's just too much news to to
to not ignore. You know, these topics I've touched on
my on my pods and whatnot. We want to get
your your your reaction to like of course in Nico
Harrison firing and all the shit going on in Dallas
right now and as disaster. I want to touch on
(01:23):
a couple of things too. All So, we had a
really big, huge, big game last night between the Thunder
and the Lakers. The Pistons are red hot pistons right now.
Are they want eight in a row?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Now? The Warrior Struggles want.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
To touch on a little bit, and then of course
Kevin Garnett had some really interesting comments about uh where
John Morant should go should he get traded. But let's
get to the big news of course this week in
the NBA is of course the firing of one president
or GM, Nico Harrison for the Mavericks. Of course, he
most nobly. He's known for the guy that uh okay,
(01:53):
the or traded rather Luka Doncicne months ago to the
Lakers and things have not been kind.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Does to stay since that trade?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Not?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Like I said, I resplk my piece about the situation
on my shows this week. I'll ask you this, Greg,
Are you surprised that it happened just soon the firing?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
No, because I think the fan reaction had become so
toxic that it was now affecting guys like Cooper Flag
you know. I mean, like that was something that happened
well before he was on the team. And for him
to have to go to the free throw line like
lay in a game against the Bucks and hear you know,
the fans chanting fire and eco like from what I heard,
(02:36):
like they would have rather been playing games on the
road because it was harder for them to play in
front of their home crowd than it was to play
on the road. So I think when you look at
it from that standpoint, you now don't want to have
Cooper flag developing in an atmosphere that is toxic or
in any way prevents him from getting to the level
(02:58):
they think he can get to. And so I don't
think they wanted him to go through half a season,
a full season of basically playing eighty two road games.
So from that standpoint, it didn't really surprise me. I mean,
you know, I said on this pod the day after
it happened.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Or you know, our first podcast we did, we did
a reaction.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I actually didn't have a problem necessarily with trading Luca.
The issues were was the package that he got back, one,
which we said at the time was not enough. You
got to get Reeves, you got to get the extra
first round picks, So you have to maximize, like the
Lakers have to give you everything. They can't keep anything
on the table if you're only going to deal with them.
(03:39):
But I would have just had a bidding war for
him and then taken.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You know, could you imagine, let's go back to what
we're in forevery last year. Could you imagine what the
war would have been like had they've been announced. Okay,
Luca is on the on the market?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
How many times we will we try to what we
wired the new franchises and their rosters for this guy.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And the fact that Nico Harrison wanted to keep it
private because he didn't think that if it had become
public that Luca was on the block that would have
been a good situation. Well, that's probably a good sign.
You shouldn't be trading him in the first place. But
at least if you're going to like, let's say, let's
play out the scenario of like he really wants Anthony Davis,
(04:24):
he wants to lean into defense. Okay, fine, make the
trade that you made, but you've got to get the
extra first round pick. You've got to get Austin Reeves.
And even if you don't want Reeves because he doesn't
fit your defensive mantra of defense Wmens Championships, which we
heard a million times from everybody out of Dallas, then
flip Austin Reeves to another team and get a pick
(04:46):
or two plus another couple guys. I mean, they could
have turned that trade into something a lot more than
It was like I remember when the talk was Damian
Lillard being traded possibly to Miami, and he wound up
going to Milwaukee and they traded through Holiday. Well then
they flipped through Holiday and they turn that into pieces,
you know. So I mean it's like, even if that's
not the guy that you want, you can still use
(05:08):
that player to get other assets down the line. So
I feel like he just left a lot of meat
on the bone for that specific trade, right, which was
really his downfall. You know, I wasn't opposed to trading
Luca given that I don't know that Luca would have gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
In the physical shape that you know he presumably is
in now.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
I mean again, you know, I don't know what shape
will be in come the end of the season. But
you know, when he went on his tour, his Ben
Simmons tour over the summer of like, you know, look
how good he looks and workouts and stuff like that.
But then you know, you see a game like last
night with the Lakers and Thunder, and it's like, how
close is Luca really to winning a title?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You know what I mean? It's funny.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
We did the Power rankings last week and I had
them third and it's like there's such a chasm between
first and third with how good Oklahoma City is, you know,
I don't know, It's just an interesting situation with the
decision to trade him and then where you go from there.
But I think a lot of that had to do
(06:12):
with just the feedback that the players that are currently
on the team are getting. And then now that we've
gotten this move, does the new regime that comes in
do they strip it down to the studs and go
into full rebuild? Which is funny because it's like a
rebuild that didn't need to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
But when you go into win now.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Mode and look, some of it's unfortunate. I mean, like
Kyrie blowing out his knee, that's unfortunate. And now, granted,
he is an injury prone player, even though he's not
like he hasn't been ancient, let's say.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But he's always, you know, going back to his Cleveland days.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I mean, he's a guy that's dealt with a lot
of injuries, a lot of miss games. And then Anthony
Davis is the poster child for missing games. So I mean,
you leaned into a win now team with two guys
that were not reliable it's unfortunate they got hurt. It
was also predictable they would.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Get hurt, like and you a pair an injury prone
guy with another injury prone guy, like I was saying
Anty Davis, Like, of course, when he's healthy, he's a
top five ten player in the league. But he's been
flet league what twelve thirteen years, and this is all
we've known anthy David is that great player, great talent,
Hafflin player, but can't stay healthy. That's been a narrative
every single year. So why do you start to change
(07:21):
now at age three two?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know what I mean? And it make any sense,
That's what I'm saying. You can have still gotten more
on top of all that, you can still got more
draft picks out of that.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
And yet I do think that Nico Harrison, while he
was you know, obviously he brought this up.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Obviously it was just idea, this is the goal. I
think the ownership in the Mavericks don't get enough blame here.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
He signed the sword for this one because there was
You cannot convince me at all, there was no way
hell that that ownership group. I don't get into that.
If he were still in transition or not they even
okay this okay, if anyone Luca Gonn He's gonna be there.
Reguards wanted to get. Harrison thinks it says okay. My
buddys Zach on the show when we did the podcast
(08:02):
two nights ago, he said he would have got.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
If that offer was even brought to me as an option,
I would have fired Meeker Harrison much less the executing itself.
Just the idea of train at look at Dodgic is
fiable to me in my opinion. You know, now, look again,
I understand the logic.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's concerns about his conditioning and this and that and
investing three hundred million dollars or a player that could
have issues with conditioning and whatnot and health and you know,
staying healthy. But at the same time, you're still looking
at our top three player. Again, the real sin here
was not the trade.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You and I agree.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The real sin here is the return because again you
cannot tell me that Mikkel Bridges gets five per front picks.
Literally listen, a year before that trade happens, and you're
training this guy generation player for peanuts.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And we saw it this past time with Desmond Bane.
I mean it's the same sort of return.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And so you've got two guys going for four and
five picks respectively, and some swaps and.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you know some salary.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Uh no, no all Star games between them, right, you
have to max out that return more so. And look,
we said at the time, like it's the only time
to all pro nb NBA players from the previous season
were traded for each other.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So I mean like it is a unique situation.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Where typically when you have a move like this, it's
draft picks being swapped. U. You know, like there's a
huge return going one way or the other in terms
of five or six picks for an all star caliber guy.
Because a team realizes that it's hitted ceiling, they want
to rebuild. It's not often that you see a team
taking a star in his prime and then and then
(09:45):
moving him. But if you're going to do that, you
then have to get way more than they did right.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Right now, Hills rumors too old things. Things are still
pretty bad. But well quick cowage and things that happen
here that resent has happened, ka aiding and hurts. Kyrie
getting hurts you to get the draft pick and crew flag.
He's been mid at best. Okay, so far been mid
now Granton I got his fault, he's banged up. We
(10:10):
get it, Okay, Mavericks slow starts, Lakers fast start, Luca
in shape, would fast start without Lebron James, Fans reaction,
billboard say farm Nico, crowdsing farm Nico. You can complude
all those things together to one big pile of shit.
That is why it it's fired.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a perfect storm for him.
But and look, ownership or whomever is involved.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Other front office people.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
You could say that them getting Cooper Flag, even if
he's the best best prospect in.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
The league, that's luck, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I mean that wasn't like it wasn't like Nico Harrison
devised some sort of plan.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
To acquire Cooper Flag.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
They happened that the ping pong balls happened to bounce
the right way. And I mean in Flag's defense, Uh,
And I guess this is Jason kid problem, Like he
should not have been thrust into the role of point.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Guard like he's that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah yeah, so, I mean, like that's not a good
role for him to start out with. And where Nico
gets into trouble is that you knew that Kyrie Irving
was not going to be available for at the very
best half the season. His only move was to bring
in D'Angel Russell, who has bounced around the league for
the past five six years. Yeah, that isn't enough, you know,
(11:29):
I mean, that's that's not solving a problem that existed.
You're basically getting a turnstile on defense and a guy
who's streaky at best on offense to replace Kyrie Irving,
and then you're gonna have Cooper Flag running point like that.
They had all summer basically try and devise a plan
that was better than what it turned out to be.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I'm not actually.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Worried about Cooper Flag just because I feel like if
he's in the right role, I mean, you saw it
the other night against the Bucks, I believe get twenty
six points. He looks strong, but obviously it's been inconsistent.
But he's also eighteen, so you know, I'm not gonna
freak out about that. I mean, Kate Cunningham took a
few years too before he turned into what he eventually
turned into.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And now what Ham rumors now that the the Mavericks
are irritating thoughts of now treating Empie Davis, which I
get it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Now, they're now they're going to respind, respend.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
That that asset, which it kind of could have done
probably last year, and make up more for it now
that asset's now banged up, hurt again, since hurt again now,
and you know, I don't know which team's going to
touch that contract.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I mean, you don't as good as he is.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean the move to have made was after
they won the lottery than to immediately pivot off Davis
then correct, right, so healthy say, okay, uh, they're they're
using Cooper flag as a win now piece as opposed
to let's let's take this window of two or three
years and let's extrapolate it to ten by going by
(12:55):
breaking it down, doing basically what the Spurs did, and
say we'll take a couple of years, a lean years,
so that in three or four years, who can be
really good. But now I can't even like I've thought
about this, I can't even come up with a trade
that makes sense because I don't think that he's worth
any assets that you'd be required to give given the
(13:18):
money that you'd have to have to make work. Right,
it's not he's making fifteen million dollars a year, like
you have to cobble together a lot of salary.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I mean you're probably.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Looking at forty five fifty million dollars worth of salary
that you need to put together. And I wouldn't give
up any picks for him. I mean, the guy's thirty
two about to be thirty three, in bad shape his
you know, I mean you see pictures of it of him.
He does not look like he's physically fit. His jumper
(13:48):
has abandoned him basically since the bubble, so he's not
a floor stretcher. So I don't really know where there's
a good fit for him in terms of giving up assets,
like like if I were Knicks, when I take him
for nothing, sure, but like I'm not trading anything.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's not my roster for trying Cat this point, I
want to take no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
The only guy that you're trading Cat for, it would
be honest, is in a hypothetical, I'd rather have Cat
every day of the week over eight just because at
the very least Cat can stretch the flour and shoot threes.
Any Davis isn't shooting threes, then he's always hurt. At
least Cat's playing and he gives me a skill that
can be replicated night after night.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Amy Davis. Right now, he has two he has this
year on his deal, fifty four million dollars next year
at age three three for the eight to four, and
then a player option, which at this point he's gonna
opt in that thing, the way things are going at
sixty two seven.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean so, yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
For all intents and purposes, you have to make fifty
four million dollars worth of salary go back. You know,
the Bulls are the team de jorb is. They have
Vucevic's expiring contract.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
But it's like, I twenty dollars things, a twenty million things,
if that thirty million maybe the most.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah, you'd have to piece together some players. But it's like,
I'm not demolishing my depth over a guy who's gonna
be thirty three and who can't stretch the floor, and
and he's a great defensive player when he plays, but
he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Play that much.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
So I mean, like I just can't make a good
argument for a team trading for him, which puts Dallas
in a tough spot. Like I agree with them pivoting
off Ad and most likely Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But it's like, who are you pivoting to what?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Because you need a team that's willing to make that
work on their end. And even if there is a team,
they're not going to get what they would want to
get in a trade like that. I mean, he is
not a positive asset at this point. He's a negative
asset if anything.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Alright, making eight this year's last year's deal twenty dollars,
I guess you a sweetheart contract now for a guy.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
That's a good deal for the Bulls. I mean if
you look for and it's not just Dallas. I mean
with how strong this draft is going to be, and
I mean we could spend shows just talking about draft prospects.
But this is a generational draft. You're gonna see teams
pivoting real fast off of like if they get off
to a slow start, you're gonna see teams thrown into
the tow quickly, because this is not a year that
(16:19):
you want to be in the plane. If you unless
you don't have your own pick, in that case, so
be it. But if you have control over your lot,
over your pick next year, like Indiana, you see what
Indiana is doing, like it's a gap year, for them,
they don't want to be in the plane and they
want to give themselves a chance at maximizing the value
of that pick. Well, Haliburton's hurt, so next year they
(16:40):
can bring back a top five pick who could be
an All Star alongside Haliburton, and then they can move
forward that way. So I mean, you know, you're gonna
see a lot of teams pivoting. And the reason why
I bring that up is maybe Chicago goes after Demanta
Savonis instead of a Anthony Davis. You know, like you're
gonna see teams like Sacramento who are going to pivot
(17:00):
into a tank real quickly because in the West, there's
no point in being nine or ten. If they could
even get to that point, you're better off just tearing
it apart and trying to rebuild around one of these
top players.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So obviously lottery lucks is going to come into play.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
But if you make this decision in December January to
start tanking, it's too late because you've already got three
or four teams that have got a light up on you.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You know, I'll do next episode, we do will label,
We'll figure out those general players that may come out
next year in to draft because it's news to me.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Like I said, I didn't realize the draft.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
I could tell you three of them. I mean, Darren
Peterson out of Kansas. People are comparing him to Kobe
I mean, you know, like and that's not me saying that,
that's other people saying that, Like he is seen as
it can't miss first overall pick, you know, in the
likes of your Lebron's, your Wemby's accepting a guard position
(18:00):
so he doesn't have like a freak body, but like
he's just got tremendous skill and athleticism. And then the
other two guys Cameron Boozer Carlos Boozer's son and aj
De bonson BYU Like those guys in a normal year
would be slam dunk number one picks. It's just that
with Peterson, like those three guys are like those are
(18:22):
like the crown jewels of the draft. That's why you
see the teams already tanking to start the year because
they want to get their hands on one of those guys.
And it's not to say that the fourth pick in
Mikel Brown or Nate Ahman or Caleb Wilson at a
un see not say those aren't going to be great
All Star caliber players, but these three guys are seen
(18:42):
as like number one.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Overall pick caliber players.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
So so teams, now, this year is not the year
to wind up with like the fourteenth or fifteenth pick. Like,
if you're not competing for a championship, you're better off
leaning into this strategy to try and maximize that pick.
Even if you wind up with the eighth the ninth odds, Uh,
you still want to give yourself a shot at it, right,
(19:06):
all right, just.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Put it to last NaN's action.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
We had a big game last night in Okay see
the thunder once again.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I mean they are on a tear now.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
They're I think told the one now when a big
winner with the Lakers one twenty one ninety two. You
know this this game was looked at as possible maybe
you know, you talking something to like maybe West Commence
Finals preview. Possibly it's clear these two teams are still
for four apart the Okay see and again they're doing
(19:34):
a jail Wilm still right mistaking he's not playing yet,
so they're not even full strength. They when the same
the best player out you know, and uh, yet they're
still doing what they're doing here?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
What what was you take away last second?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Well, I mean I turned it off at halftime because
I mean it was, you know, a thirty two point
game at halftime.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It was from intensive purposes over at that point. Uh yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I mean they're just a well oiled machine right now.
And I think that it's it's them and everybody else. Granted,
I mean again, I still have Denver as and look,
Denver is nine to two, you know, I mean, they're
they're only one game in the loss behind okay See.
For as great as okay See has been, Denver's been
every bit the equal now. Granted, if the series were
(20:17):
played today, I take okay See. Uh but it's a
long season. Denver's got some moving parts that they need
to acclimate into their system. You know, we'll say how
it goes. But I mean, okay See is a well
oiled machine. They've gotten contributions from aj Mitchell, Cason Wallace,
the other, Jalen Williams. So I mean they're just sliding
(20:40):
guys into their lineup and they're not missing a beat.
So that speaks to how well coached they are. And
Draymond Green brought up a good point that like, these
guys love playing with each other and that matters. You know,
there's there's a culture that's around that team that isn't
it's not just a buzzword that organizations used to sell tickets,
(21:01):
Like these guys actually have bought into a system.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
They enjoyed playing with each other.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
And they've got a good thing going right now, and
if they can stay healthy, they're still going to be the.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Favorite to win it all again.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
But again, we're ten, you know, ten twelve, thirteen games
in for various teams, so long way to go.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
But obviously you couldn't have dreamed up a better start
for them.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And as this morning, they were a plus one hundred
Winter Finals to win a championship. So I mean they
were heavy favorite right now to repeat as champs and
again doing something on WILLMS. I mean, it's impressive.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Well one note on that, like plus two hundred. I
would have imagined it would have been like one minus
one twenty five or something.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Maybe maybe maybe there's updated but maybe would get back. Look.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
So I mean, like plus two hundred to me, isn't
the slam dunk that I would have thought given how
good they've looked. I mean, you know, my buddy always
brings up to me like this was I want to
say twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, like the Bucks
when they were before they had won their first time
title or their title with Giannis and Middleton and Drew Holliday,
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like they they got knocked off prior to getting to
the finals, but they were minus one eighty to go
to the.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Finals one year. So I mean, like that would be,
like you know, it.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Might be because of Jenal still out though I think
once he's back in the lineup once to see him
back in the lineup, that might adjust. And I think
maybe I don't think maybe also because Denver's also stunted
a heat up towo. Also maybe they closed the gap
a little bit there.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, But but you would think that Jalen Wollen's
returning is built into optimism the fact that they are
they are and he's not even playing that they would
be And again I'm not saying they should be minus
three hundred and minus four hundred, but like you think,
like minus one ten minus one is given how they've looked,
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So plus two hundred isn't the slam dunk that I
would have thought.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You know, it is they've looked I think last year
because they kind of did this last year too also
were they want to see a games and they were
dominant to starting to finish they had to port devential
like thirteen pins last year, but then they had those
pushback in playoffs and maybe they and some teams they.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Get better they' shooting playoffs. Mabe.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
That's why this will apprehension that, yeah, their favorites. But
let's hold up a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
And that's that's why, Uh I chose Denver prior to
the year. It's just because I feel like there's no
answer to stopping Jokic, and I feel like, could the
outside shooting for the Thunder in the playoffs when the
game slows on, slows down and you game plan to
takes some of those things away. Could Denver's better much
better depth sort of mitigate some of the advantages that
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Thunder have in a seven game series.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Uh play, But.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Again, we're only we're only a couple of weeks into this.
You know, we're basically a month into the season. You know,
we still have four months to go.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
So yeah, and they look the Devilok's good. They look,
they look like they are ready for this next run here,
so we'll see.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
And what I would say about Denver too, is that
like you've got Cam Johnson and Christian Brown, two starters,
basically giving them nothing. Like they're playing as bad as
you could possibly imagine two players play. I mean, camp
Johnson I want to say, is eight for thirty eight
on threes this year. And Christian Brown has struggled since.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
The last night.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Well, yeah he got hurt. Yeah he had like a
wrist for arm strain. They say he was questionable to
come back, didn't come back. Christian Brown was limping around
the floor. He also left injured. That's why he saw
Jokic go for fifty five because they were just down
some bodies.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like fucking good bro. But that that dude is so amazing.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
But again, you know, the thing that people forget with
the Michael Porter Junior trade is that it wasn't just
getting Camp Johnson. It was the flexibility to go out
and get a Tim Hardaway junior, to get a Valancenis,
to get up Bruce Brown, guys that they wouldn't have
been able to get if they were up against it financially.
So they were able to free up twenty million dollars
with that Porter Junior trade or you know, nineteen eighteen,
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nineteen twenty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
How was he doing? How was he doing by way
in Brooklyn MPG.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I mean his numbers are off the charts good, but
they're also one to ten, so I mean, you know
it's you know, Cam Johnson's numbers. Yeah, Cam Johnson's numbers
are off the charts too, and NETS fans last year
are like, oh, we need to hold out for multiple picks.
You know, this guy is an all star caliber player.
And then he goes to Denver. It's like, it's very
easy to play in an atmosphere where you have the
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ultimate cream light and the team's not even trying to
win games, so.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
There is no pressure.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
He's allowed to go out there and shoot twenty five
times a game and no one's going to question about
a shot diet. When you're playing with Jokic and you're
expected to compete for a title, it's a totally different thing. So, yes,
he's you know, I don't have his average off the
top of my head, but he's scoring twenty five to
thirty pretty much every game. But they're also losing every game.
So I mean, you know, like, what what do those
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stats mean? Ultimately that that would not be his his shot,
diet and his numbers if he were still in Denver.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So I mean, you know, it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Say, right he also, look, story now is that the
Pistons now they want eight in a row.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
No Number one in the East, ten and two overall.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
My god, I mean, obviously, what we saw last year
was there was not anomaly that was that that was
a sad thing's coming. Now this person team is you know,
we talk about teams that could challenge the status quo
of this year of the Nickson, the Cavaliers, and we
mentioned teams that could possibly pierce stat top of the East.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And I guess the chart right now might be the
team that U make things interesting up there.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
We think, Yeah, I mean, I think they're a really
good regular season team. I think where they're doing now
is great. I wonder how well this will hold up
in the playoffs. I think they still have a lack
of outside shooting that could rear its head. I mean,
you saw the other night they beat the Wizards. Now
granted that they were they were missing quite a few guys,
but Kate Cunningham went fourteen for forty five from the field.
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They missed thirty one shots, So I.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Mean like points.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, So I mean like that's not like for him,
Like that's an awful game, you know, for you know,
to to score forty six and forty five shots. I
I don't know that they have the outside shooting that
will again when the game slows down, when teams are
matching up for that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
But they have all their assets.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
They're a prime They are one of those teams that
you hear in the last couple of days mentioned for
Anthony Davis, which I'd never do in a million years.
But they have the assets, they have the salary. They
could move Tobias Harris. He's making twenty five million a year.
He's on an expiring deal. Like that's an easy trade
than to make. I personally would rather see them make
that trade for Laurie Markinen because he gives you that
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outside shooting that they so desperately need. And I think
that's a much better pairing with Duran. And again not
to say they might not make any move. They might
say let's just stay of the course.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
We like where we are.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
We want to wait for something even bigger down the
line before we cash in all our chips. Maybe they
don't want to cash in their chips for a Desmond
Bane or a McHale Bridge's caliber player. Even though you
could make the argument that he's that marketing is a
little better than that, But I still think that there's
some outside shooting that they need to get. They added
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Duncan Robinson, which is great, but like in the playoffs,
he's going to be a guy that teams hunt on
every possession. I don't even know how playable he's going
to be in the playoffs. That's just me thinking, remember
that story, Yeah exactly. So, I mean, like it looks
great when you're playing three games in four nights, when
you know it's the middle of December, the middle of January,
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Like all that stuff looks great. I just wonder against
a team that's going to game plan for that, Like,
how does that look against Cleveland in the playoffs where
they can basically take some of these guys out and
you're relying on Caid to make a lot of shots,
and like right now, like I wouldn't say that they've
got a tremendous amount of shooting. Durn's not a shooter.
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Caid isn't like your typical shooter. Ron Holland isn't like
this great shooter. I mean, Tobias Harris is Okay, he's
hurt right now, but I mean, you know he's not
a knockdown shooter. So I mean, I just look throughout
the their lineup. Isaiah Stewart not a shooter. Really need
Jade and Ivy to one be healthy and to be
the catch and shoot shooter that he showed in glimpses
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last year. But I mean, again, you know, he's hurt
a lot, so they don't have a lot of a
lot of spacing around the floor, which I think will
hurt them in a in a longer series in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
But if we're just talking regular.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Season, they could finishes the two seed in the East
their three seed in the East like pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, yeah, different story. Kay Cunningham definitely MVP conversation in
my opinion.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Then again, unefficient a night a couple of nights ago,
but on the wise, still carrying that team to what
they're doing so far.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Let's not warms a quick the goals and warrins.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Struggles not only won last night in San Antonio, Steph
Steph after a couple you know, miss a couple games,
don't mean sick whatnot. You had a rough game against
Okay see on Tuesday, but who hasn't at this point
but exposed points.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But overall for the Warriors, it feels like a let
down so far. And uh dream on Greens on this
recently after the after the loss of the Thunder two
nights ago, his uh, his thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
As a personal agenda, uh in this league. But you
have to make those personal agenda work in the team confines,
and if it doesn't work, then you kind of gotta
get rid of your agenda or or eventually the agenda
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is the cause of someone getting rid of you.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
All right, Well, what I want to know you what
do you who do you think was referring to? Because
like people O. Mackie think it's Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Butler, but it's not Jamy Butler, because Butler even himself.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Agree with with h with uh Draymond's uh thoughts that
he had a quote all the saying he was quoted
saying everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Has to be honest himself.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
We just got to get back to doing whatever it
is it takes to win everybody's got going to have
the sac of bite something. So he him and dreamond
on the same page. So who do you think Draymond
Green reforming to.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
It's either Brandon Pajamski or Jonathan Kuminga or both, or
you know, one of them or both.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, I mean Pajenski, I don't know if it was.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
During media day or after the preseason game, but he
said that, like his goal is to be better than
Steph Curry prior to the season and the last night's game,
both Pagenski and Kuminga were coming off the bench, So
I mean that's why, like two guys who had been starting, they.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Got moved to the bench.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
This comes right after Draymond's comments, So I mean, I
feel like it's a safe bet that's that it's one
of the two of them.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, let's face it.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I mean we knew with Kuminga, like they really haven't
furthered his development since the day that they drafted him.
He's wanted to get out of there forever, so it
shouldn't be a surprise that they're having issues with him.
And Pajenski hasn't been, hasn't. I mean, he's averaging twelve
thirteen points a game, Like he's fine, but I mean
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like he hasn't really developed past.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Where you probably would have expected he would a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
So and other than those two guys, they're an old team,
you know. I mean, you know, you're relying on Curry
and Butler and Draymond to turn back the clock. Nothing
that really goes on with them surprises me from like
a loss standpoint, just because I feel like they're gonna
have games where they look great because they've got good talent.
But over an a two game season, then a you know,
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one and a half two month playoffs late, how do
they hold up during that? I don't know that the
answers very well. So you know, I think that if
we're talking about two k they have a really good roster,
But how does that practically work with guys that are
past their prime a bit? I feel like that's gonna
be a struggle for them, especially when you see some
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of these young teams young athletic. Yes, they won last night,
but I mean over the long term, like a team
like San Antonio, I feel like is just going to
run them out of the building, given their speed, their
size or athleticism all that so right.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And I don't think this team, I mean, are they
good enough to crack the top six? No, West, Yes,
they have the talent, but so many things that so
many things I've won in place for to happen.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
They're not better in Okac. Obviously, they're not better in Denver.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Then that at this point, I've been in the Spurs,
know what I see that happening this point, The Rockets better,
the Lakers when the get Lebron backers will be better.
And then you have the situation with Minnesota. You know,
edwards they're better than goal through my opinion, Phoenx is
playing better this year so far. You know, one four
in a row, so like they're playing team. Yes, but
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you don't sign jobone that kind.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Of money to be a playing team. You know what
I'm saying. It's termely the bus this point.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Now, Yeah, I mean I think that they're a solid
five or six seed at this point, but ceiling yes, yeah,
but to your point, like they don't match up well. Obviously,
no one matches up well with OKAC or Danver, but
like even Houston, like they're gonna get bludgeoned by Houston.
Just given the rebounding issue, like they're the Warriors don't
have size, and the Rockets basically their offense is, we
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don't even care if we miss the first shot. We
know we're gonna get the rebound. So I mean, I
think the Rockets are they're rebounding something ridiculous, like I
don't know, forty percent of their of their misses they're
coming down with the ball. So I mean, like their
strategy is just we're gonna have more size, more athleticism,
and we're just gonna beat you up that way. Like
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that's not the Warriors game. So like, I don't see
that matching up. Well, if you're assuming that the first, second,
third seeds are gonna be okay, see Denver and the
Houston and then the Lakers, I guess like that's I
don't know that you can make the argument for Golden
State getting past the first round.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And even if they do get past the first round,
I don't see them getting.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Past the second round and getting given that they're an
old team, Like I just don't know where they're going necessarily.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, barring injury, I don't see any sixteens really getting
out of this. I think the sixteens. You see right
now currently in the sixth right now are your six teams.
I don't see this changing at all. I really don't
like the Clippers are the Clippers are done, Beal is
out for the year. You know, I don't see what
team can potential gain in the six. It's only one
I could consider.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Everybody else is done. So you're six or six in
the West Man, so they're playing team. So this fealing
to me is a sixth seed. And I don't think
unless something that's Minnesota craters or Lakers crater when Lebron's back,
I don't see.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I think I think they're cooked. I think they're cooked.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
You could have a huge injury that impacts on one
of those top three teams, like if you gets hurt
or that's different like that, Like, yeah, that's a that's
a different topic. But I mean, if we're assuming all
things being equal, uh, they would need a lot to
happen in front of them, I think to make the
kind of run that they want.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
You're in a bad you're in a bad place when
you're wish casting things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, so there you go, by Well, last thing.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
To get out of here, man Kevin Garnett on his
podcast KGI Certified.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
We discussed this on the show last week about John
Moran and his future and what's going on there. Kevin Durant.
Kevin Garnett had some great interesting words about where Ja
Moran should be traded to, where he should should try
to push the play at play at some point if
he does get traded in his his uh his comments.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Thought, joh to Miami, Miami got some structure. Yeah, you
just ain't dawn there doing what the fuck. You might
be good, then there's real structure than making you a professional.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Matter of fact, Miami might.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Be one of the last of the Mohicans when it
comes to this, Bro, you know what I'm saying, They
might be the last to have real culture to when
when you come in you're actually better. I'm talking about
when you see an immediate impact. If if Miami gets
a summer with you, you come in the you come
into the year looking better, Your body gonna be better,
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your mentality gonna be better. Whatever that ship they pumping
down in the in the three oh five, Bro, that
shit works because you go down there thinking it's one thing,
and that structure, that culture, you forget about the X
players that's in there, that's in the office, the coaches
that used to play for the whole system, queen, and
you know what I'm saying, all those guys they come
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from that bro, Listen, that's why I would like to
see him. John needs some structure, culture of something that's goed.
He ain't never seen this, right, he ain't never seen
this type of front office.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And and damn would be a good Parentah.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Bro, that'd be scary. Southern boys playing together. They both
love basketball, they both are Jim junkies. You know what
I'm saying, that's what you want.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You know, if he asked you this last year, I'm
just saying, no sale. But my dad and I my dad,
my brother and I, you know, with big he fans,
And we've been talking about this off off air for
the last couple of weeks now about okay, if there's
a will to get would you consider X, Y and
Z John Moran, And I gotta be honest with you.
I have slowly pivoted now and say, you know what,
I'm not against the idea of Jock on Miami, giving
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the right price and giving the right how much assets
And for me My reasoning for this is because it
has nothing to do with job. Well, obviously job of course,
but I trust the Miami Heat culture. I trust Eric
Spolstra to be able to rehab him and to get
him back to.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Be KG hit hit on nail on the head. It's
the structure that makes it work.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Jeane Butler was looked at someone that is like, was
a whatever, you know, a really good player, but kind
of a problematic guy. Obviously, things and badly here. But
he came in Miami and for most of those years
you're here in Miami, things are great, two Finals appearances
in fact, with that, you know, and they have the
Heat for years. Forget the Lebron's and all the all
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the big stars they've had through the year of Shacks.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He name it, Dwayne Wade. Lots of players have come
here to get rehabbed, have gone on to get bigger
contracts elsewhere because of what they've done in Miami, because
of playing here. I remember lou All Dang was was
a diminished.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Player at one point, came down here for a couple
of years, had two really good, solid years. It'll get
a big ass deal in la Very next After his
second year at Miami, you know, so there is the
knack for the Heat to do this. Now, Jaw has
to be able to buy in and whatnot. But the
reason why I'm more intrigued now about a Ja Morant
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Miami Heat hearing is because I trust the Heat and
the culture to keep that synergy because they have the
history to do it and they have done a time time.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Again your thoughts, I personally, if I in Miami, wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
And I'll give you a list of reasons why. I
think that that's a great move. Everything that was in
the video and everything you said is great for Jah.
I think that if I were him, I'd want to
go to Miami. That would be great for resetting his
career and getting him on a better path, et cetera.
I'd personally rather have Tyler hero Jaw to me, and
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it's not because of off the court stuff. I just
don't think right now he's that good. He was three
for eighteen the other night. He's not a good shooter,
so I mean, you need him to be in and
around the paint, so he's going to have to get
banged around. He's going to play a physical style. You know,
you can't rely on him to go out there and
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give you five or six three pointers a game. I
mean again, three for eighteen is in a long line
of games recently, and you could say, oh, he's not
motivated this, that or the other, but like, he's never
profiled as a great outside shooter, so I'd rather have
Tyler Hero shooting. That's first second. Currently the heat since
the second Spectrums started tracking the data, they're averaging eighteen
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pick and rolls per one hundred possessions. That's the lowest.
Prior to that was like thirty nine. So they basically
leaned into this dribble drive, driving, kick offense, the not
setting a ton of screens. John Moran got upset last
year with memphisis coaching because they weren't running enough pick
and rolls. They up that till like fifty eight pick
and rolls per one hundred possessions. Still not good enough
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for him. It's not even so much the culture and
him being a malecontent and all that. I just don't
think that an undersized guard who plays a physical style,
who's prone to injury, who can't shoot, who has leadership questions,
even in a system that brings out the best leadership
qualities in him. I just don't know that he's like
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I think that his name is better than his game
at this point.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
And I might have even said that last week. He's
a nice name.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
But like you know, when you listen to these other
podcasts and people start throwing out, you know, trade ideas,
you always hear like the same, the same, the same teams.
Miami comes up, Milwaukee comes up as they're looking for
a guy to pair with Jannis. But like, if I'm Milwaukee,
I'd rather have Ryan Rollins right now than Job because
Ryan Rollins is reliable from three, He's got a six
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to eleven wing span, he plays defense, you know, like
I I'd rather a player like that than Joe. And
John makes forty million dollars. So I mean, you've got to.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Like you so much. Someone that thinks that John Morant
cannot be rehabbed at all, you think this is it?
This is this is a dounce.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
I mean, to me, it is the fact that and
I'm not saying it wrong for the record, I think
there's definitely something to be said that he hasn't add
to his game. He's not a premier shooter, so that's
that's the one thing that's one demerit against them there.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
But again, we.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Forty million dollars were a guy who was looked at
as as the body face and faced the league three
years ago. It's still actually a pretty good bargain based
on his age right now, if you assume, if if
you assume that he can be rehabbed.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Which I I'm not believed there that you can't be.
But I see a point.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
But let's let's say, let's just play this out and
say Memphis they don't want Tyler Hero, They'd rather have
Andrew Wiggins and Jovich and somebody else, you know, just
to fill out the salary.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Like, I don't want to make that that deal if
I'm the.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Heat like personally, like, would I take John Morant try
and rehabilitate him as a free agent on like a
mid level exception? Sure, but I just don't know that
I want to give up forty million dollars worth of
assets and possibly a pick or more. Like, I just
don't think that he has that value, and I don't
think teams value his skill set to warrant giving up
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forty million dollars worth of trade collateral. So no, I
wouldn't make that move and it's a lot like Anthony Davis.
I don't see a market for either one of those
guys because of the high numbers that they're making. I
think it's far easier to you know, because if you're
going to be trading forty forty five million dollars worth
of assets, I'd rather go out and get Lori Markinen,
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who I know is going to reliably give me three
point shooting and who can score thirty a night, and
he's not going to be a problem problem in the
locker room, like if you can't space the floor in
this league, you're in trouble. And Miami would basically have
to overhaul everything they've done to this point. Now that
they'd have to overhaul it a little bit. Once Hero
comes back, they'll add more more pick.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
And there there are two options I saw looking at
the numb here.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Let me because a real quick but there are two
options here.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
You're probably just scream me what I said here because
there's already talk about Tally Hero's future in Miami beyond
the season. I think he has one in his contract,
but you know, not want to be a lame duck.
I think let me see his contract quicker. So tal
a Hero right now currently excuse me, sports tracks were
a little slow today.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I don't why.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
All right, So Tala here right now currently twenty six
so he has Yes, I was right, he's one year
his deal up this year, so he's getting thirty one
million dish.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
That's a cap.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I'm sorry, thirty three five this year and then three
five to five next year. John's getting forty. You developed
that last week, so they're not far off numbers wise
in terms of uh that that deal.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
So if you're a heat, I was telling my dad
the other day that I would rather trade trade Hero
and a one more piece or even a pick. At
this point it could be first a second round pick
of this one. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
For for job based on these numbers, because their contracts
are almost identical in a sense.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
The Age Grangels also identical as well. I'd rather trade
Hero and the pieces we have around the guys who
have now, like the you know, the Powells and the
you know, the yo bitches and all this stuff that
you know, than twenty those other pieces. I know it's risky,
but I do think there's something to be said though.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Tell a Hero could also this concern here Miami tow
Wilson that when he gets back that he could forgot
about a word fuck with the chemistry here because he
is he is a ball stopper.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Yeah, yeah, he's not a perfect player by any means,
but I'd rather have his outside shooting. And I know
John's not gonna give me shooting, so I know that
a Hero's case. Even if I took him off the
ball and said go stand in the corner, he could
still give me a fort thirty eight percent clip catch
and shoot threes, whereas John needs to have the ball.
(46:04):
I mean not to say that Tyler Hero doesn't. I'm
just not a big fan right now of what job
brings to the table to justify and not just for
the heat, but just for any team, you know. I
mean the team is probably the leader in the clubhouse,
the Sacramentos. I feel like they're always going to be
a team that's looking to acquire a star level or
a star name because they're not going to get one
(46:26):
any other way.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
So you always hear them brought up.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
But like a lot of other teams, it just doesn't
make sense to me, Like I'd rather go the path
than I'm going. Like again, use Milwaukee as the example,
Like they're desk withate for talent to put around Yannis,
and I would take the talent that they've already got personally,
So I think it's yes, Miami makes sense for Joh.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
That would be a great spot for him.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
But I don't if they if the Heat were willing
to play hardball with Damian Lillard, who brought a skill
set that I think fit a lot better with what
they do, I don't know that they being hind to
make that move for a job.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
But you know, you never know. They've been winning a
while to make a big The.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Only difference between Damon Damon and John, I'm not saying
obvious Dame's better than John bout his slice it the
age guy, Like, I think the contractible job right now
is that he's still mid twenties, so they're still time
to get good years out of him, assuming you believe
your culture could do that now.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
But job was threty years old. I'm not touching the ship.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Yeah yeah, but I don't think Joh has a winning
skill set at this point, Like he's he's never won
anything to this point, and I mean Zachloe said it best.
He's like at some point, I need to see a
little more winning from you. Like we do a lot
of talking about him as a player, but it's like
we do too much talking for a guy who's really
never accomplished anything.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
So that's a good point if you.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Factor in that he's not a good shooter and he's
even if you're saying he's gonna be Mother Teresa when
he comes over to the heat, I still don't know
that his skill set in today's game that really relies
on shooting is a good fit for most teams. And
what he makes if you're hitting him the mid level exception, yeah,
(48:09):
I would take a shot on that. But you're paying
him to be an all star player, and if you
don't think that he's an all star level player, uh,
you know, he's basically uh you know, Russell Westbrook without
the competitive attitude. Obviously young at a younger age, but
I mean that's kind of like, you know, he's almost
like a poor man's Westbrook at this point, right.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
And my biggest compedition about that for years about him
is the fact that he is, forget everything off corn aside,
he is still on the court a high risk, highway
war player because he is someone that does get hurt
often because a style of play, so Ken spostra reel
that in.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, I question.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Steve Novak made a comment the other night when I
was watching the Nicks Grizzlies game that Jah looked back
to them and said something along the lines of like,
I'm not trying to get hurt out here.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Like to me, that just like that.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
But that's mindset.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's just a horrible mindset to have.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
And also the fact that he's a guy who's very
He's not Michael Bridges out there, you know. I mean,
like he misses a lot of games with injury in
addition to having a questionable skill set. Even if you're
changing the mindset, the injuries, the lack of shooting, Like
I wouldn't want to part with my assets for that personally.
But that that's just me. That's not to say that
(49:28):
he can't be a good player somewhere, just not at
his price, not at what you're giving up in right.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
That makes not sense. It's not sense either way.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
So all right, Greg breg on Twitter course at g
hereingy g h r I n y A on NBA
on on Twitter's well too.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I am, of course as well on X at E J.
Christin seven. Once again is the NBA show here and
maybe we'll come out next weekend. We'll see you then.
The big story jobs and who knows, Lebron maybe get straight.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
I don't know, anything can happen you, I mean, so
until next time, We'll talk to you guys soon and later,
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