Marc Francois

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Speaker 1 (01:07):
Perfect podcast recording us a rare weekend podcast, and of
course doing my boy.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
What's up, Good evening, Good evening.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
How's your Saturday going.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It's a it's a cold and dreary day. It's been
like rainy on and off here in New York. It's
getting ready. I guess like next week it's gonna drop
down to like thirty degrees. Yeah, you're now looking forward
to that.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
We're getting the cold front again Florida. Of course, we're
getting the cold fort Yeah you also.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, dude, I'm from Socow, I get it. It's
the same thing. It's if it drops under sixty five,
it's like beanies and scarves, it looks like it looks
like December and New York.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Like my wife is the happiest time of year because
she loves the holidays, but she loves cold weather.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
She does.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Odds after this many years, odds are high. I've told
this story on the podcast, as we've talked about weather before.
But like the funniest example of that was one time
I was working in LA at the Hilton at Universal
Studios in Hollywood, right, and it was an unusual cold
snap in La. So that means like high twenties, mid

(02:17):
to high twenties at night, and like in the mid
to upper forties during the day. So even for La,
it was pretty fucking cold. Yeah, naturally, everybody's wearing like
overcoats and beanies and dressed like it's Minnesota in January. Ironically,
we had a group at the same time in house

(02:38):
that was like a Scandinavian hockey team, like Finland, Denmark,
one of those countries. Everybody at the hotel is bundled
up like it is the fucking Arctic, and these guys
are running around in speedos, jumping in the unheated pool
because to them, forty eight degrees is amazing.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Dude, I can't wait. And but and my way, I
have to say that's all relative. Because I'm a walker.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I like to walk a lot, So I try to
walk about four miles a day all the east every
other day.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, I walk.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
At least fifteen twenty every time I go into the
city easily. Bro.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know, you know one thing I told my wife,
They and I never was about this as a kid,
because I was just a kid. You don't think about
the kind of things August. You guys, you don't see
a lot of fabuloe in the city.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, not locals. I mean yes, if you're okay, if
you're in fucking Times Square or some other very touristy area,
you may see overweight people. And it's because they're visiting
from like Kansas or Iraca, like locals. Because like I
I realized it too back in the day when I

(03:51):
had an Apple Watch and would come here because it
wasn't just the distance I was walking, because like, for example,
I would come here for a Hotel Com conference and
the conference was at times Squares, so I would stay
fairly close to that area, much to my sugar in
and I would like take the trading down to like

(04:11):
World Trade Center and literally walk fifty blocks all the
you know, from Battery Park all the way up to
like fifty second Street and kind of meander and take
all day to do it. But yeah, it wasn't just that,
but it was like getting on and off the subway
and getting around of town and going in and out
of buildings. You would do fifteen twenty miles, but you'd

(04:33):
also do thirteen fourteen flights of stairs. Yeah, yeah, is
if you have to watch, it'll track that. And so
it was. It was crazy. It's crazy how fast it
adds up.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I think the walking I did in New York for
those four days saved me because I ate, like shit
those four days.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
I ate every every hot dog, some Brett.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
You can find every pizza Ono restaurants all week long.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, but I didn't believe.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Now, I will say as far as getting your regional
favorites at home. The relationship between Florida and the Tri
state area is asbout as good as you like, as
good as you're gonna do. Like, if you want to
get East Coast shit, where you're at, Florida is about
as good as you could hope to get. Like I

(05:21):
found some dope Dellys and like Tampa and shit, that's not.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Florida has spots, but it's not New York City. It's not.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, it's not nothing is yeah, there is nothing in
the United States like New York. No, no, but no,
it's my dad had the same and my dad had
the same thing in Europe. He was like sixty at
the time. And now, granted also European food versus American
food is totally different. But it was the walking. It was,
you know, five ten miles a day everyday minimum, just

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walking everywhere, whether it was Paris, Rome, you know, Brussels, whatever,
I let. It's it's so dope. It's so dope, and
even on Long Island, Like you're more apt to walking
in the suburbs here than you are in the suburbs.
Saying so cal because I would have driven like in

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when I was in the mountains for for work over
the summer, or if like I was Diego except when
I lived right on the beach, right on the boardwalk.
But then again, you're not eating anything or going anywhere
right immediately around your plate, because like a slice of pizza,
I shit you not is like twenty two dollars. Granted

(06:35):
it's a massive slice. It's really like slice it's worth right,
but it's like twenty five twenty two or twenty five
dollars with topics like a slice of pepperoni and sausage.
I want to say, is like twenty four fifty.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
By the way, I thought that the deals in like
go in Chinatown you can get like a life yeah small, no, no, I.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Was talking about like San Diego, like Mission beach area
like right, of course, yeah, or walk but yeah, of course. No.
New York is the best for like, yes, there is
no shortage of fine dining and you can and twenty
bucks a person like no, no problem. But yeah, there
are so many fucking cheap eats just everywhere, and especially

(07:17):
in Lower Manhattan.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yep, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's just like you have so many choices.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
That's where we stayed.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, and hell's kid, if you're uptown Hell's Kitchen. Hell's
Kitchen in the Upper West Side has some good ship.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I told Lauren, and she loves the idea. I want
to go every year early. Just pick a weekend, ye weekend.
I don't even tire. Weekend's a weekend once a year.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Once I moved here and my mom started visiting, she
came twice in like a seven month period. She came
at my birthday in the springtime, and then she came
for Christmas last year. And she is so hooked, like
she doesn't even like cold weather, but she'll brave the
cold in the crowds for like New York Christmas.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
It's a culture shop, bro, Yeah, culture shop.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
And she even said she said the same thing I did.
She's like, I didn't expect to like it this much.
I was like, well, it has a lot to do
with like knowing where to go, and.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Like, yeah, once you get used to it, once you
settle in and you get used to the lifestyle, it
just you just become become.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It will so like she didn't have to think about
anything when she was walking around with me. Just stay close,
keep up. I was about it.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah pretty much.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Let me know, let me know if her knee hurts.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, I think with my wife though, I walk very
fast and she's not like the fastest walker, like yeah,
pushing my am so she hates.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
She got mad a couple of times, like you to
sow down, like I can help it. Yeah, walk fast.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I have to dude. Shout out to my friend Chelsea A.
She was smart and literally wore like kicks her boots
the whole time, never wore like any kind of questionable footwear.
But that girl had never been to New York before,
and she was like when I say, I treat New
York sidewalks like La freeways, like that's kind of the mentality.

(09:05):
I told her that and she was like that understood,
got you, And like from the minute she got here,
she was knifing through people looking back and be like, yo,
are you you come in like you are the most instinctive,
like out of town or this is so refreshing.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So speaking of New York and New York City, I
heard it's going full comment now allegedly he's going full.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Com Oh yeah, no, no Sharia law for everybody, Yeah, something
like that. Shawarma and a mosque for every household in
the Five.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Boroughs should I be a little concerned a Kuran, Yeah,
should be a little concerned the fact that, Okay, so
the number was he got fifty vote, he did cross.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Something like that. He he beat Cuomo by like nine
percent whatever it was. But yeah, he got it. He
got a clean majority, uh, because I think Slee was
siphoned off like nine.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Seven.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, and then Mam Donnie came away with a clean
majority of like fifty one, fifty two percent something in.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
There, right, Because I know in the past, obviously the
like Eric Adams won it Blasio, it's typically like six
thirty five.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
But of course a lot there's a lot of like,
there's a lot of liberals also, was were on offensive going,
MANI I feel.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Like that the New York mayor's race historic, at least
in our lifetime, so more often than not is a
foregone conclusion. It's the winner versus some guy. I don't
feel like we've had we I don't feel like we've
had a race. And I mean, even in this regard,
it hasn't really been a race. It's been people talking

(10:50):
about Cuomo because he has friends and a famous name
in a history. But like, this election hasn't been for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, so mom, Donnie got fifty point four, Andrew got
forty one point six, Sliva got some point one.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
I gotta be honest you, I can't stand and I
can't stand him. In fact, I told I told you.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
And his brother are both two of just the most.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Obnoxious motherfuckers every honestly, honestly, I told somebody else I
would vote for Sleepuma.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's like, I don't want I don't want like Slia's
unhinged positions to get lost in like how entertaining he is,
But you're kind of not wrong for that, And I
don't think he's authentic. At least he's authentic.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
I don't find sell like a you know someone is
a threat to democracy kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well yeah, well yes, and no because really okay, yes,
because he has extremely carcerle boot licky positions when it
comes to the NYPD budget, cash bail. How many people
end up getting sent to rikers If it were up
to him, you know, we'd go back to a very

(12:15):
heavy handed late eighties early nineties style of policing. Don't
be surprised if you'd see a return of stopping frisk,
he said, quite frankly. He you know, New York is
one of the you know, messaging leaders on this, having
done away with qualified immunity I think in twenty twenty
one or twenty twenty two, and one of the things

(12:36):
he said is that he would, you know, as mayor
seek to reinstitute qualified immunity. So no, excellent, Okay, he
and his cats are funny, don't get it, like one
hundred accurate, but no, no, no, he has genuinely dangerous
and untenable policy posiess.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
I'm I'm not gonna lie though when it comes like
you know, like you know.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I wouldn't be surprised if he was the Central Park
five truther, Like I.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Don't know, man, But when on order, man, I'm not
gonna lie to you man, I'm still pretty like I
understand the broader nature of like, you know, like for example,
the Bill ninety four, the Big Bill, was the building
called back the ninety four.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
That they honey Bus crime Bill, like the Super the
super Predator.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
In the moment most blacks wanted that Black fans wanted
that because they want protection, not realizing that they may
have dire effects.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, well we.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Didn't know that at the time. We didn't know that time.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, also, the United States has a because of our obsession,
Like I mean, think about it. Anytime you have a
movie where Americans are interacting with a foreigner, or especially
if it's a foreign director, like if it's a British
film for a British audience and there are American characters

(14:00):
like right, the CIA guy and a Bond flip back
in the Brozenian ones. You know, it's always Americans bunch
of cowboys. That mentality permeates, and we've always had a
very violent, verycarceral response to what our interactions are between
police and citizenry. And while yes, any any like federal crime,

(14:29):
you know, like what are they called compstats or whatever,
data going back to like the sixties will show there
was like a pronounced spike in crime going into the
seventies and eighties, and then an even more pronounced drop
off going into the two thousands, and that has more
or less continued elsewhere with you know, little punctuations like

(14:49):
during COVID and stuff. But overwhelmingly what American legislators, civil administrators, municips,
city council people, mayors, whatever, what they fail to understand
you're in and year out, is that the best way
to interrupt crime is not by putting more dudes who

(15:12):
look like me, who are more likely than not juiced
out on the street to beat up fifteen year old
kids who look like you. It's to address the root
causes of crime, because more often than not in the
United States, when you see a rise in crime, it's
directly correlated to arise or in wealth, inequality and poverty, education, right, housing, food, water.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
But again, the multiple who are the politically, I'm not
going to look at it that way. Look at it
as this white black like a situation I want. I
want same for streets. We all want same streets.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
No one hundred percent. And look, I mean I can
still kind of benefit from this. The treatment I receive
from the police is very circumstantial. If I'm met a
vigil for an impacted family in East LA and I'm
dealing with the fucking worst division of La County Sheriff,

(16:13):
and they've probably got me on a watch list or two.
You know what I mean? Like, how I get dealt
with by police irrespective of Mike Melanin is you know
one thing, but here in New York driving, uh, you know,
a nice car As long as I'm sober and well
dressed and again white with these fucking cops here are

(16:38):
pretty friendly to me more often than not. Right, Yep,
I've been pulled over once or twice for pretty minor shit,
and both times I've been you know, let off with
a warning and not a lot of questions asked.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So this race, so the Democrat First off, there are
four there are four major races.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Right.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
I was Virginia governor's race.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, you had Virginia governor.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
You had the California top fifty top fifty look.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
And then you had some big you had some additional
ones in Virginia in the state House General going to
break that had the potential to break the supermajority there
and did, and then the other or it gave Democrats
a super majority in Virginia, I forget which. And then
in Mississippi they broke the legislative the state level supermajority

(17:33):
in Jackson by winning some I don't know if it
was Senate or Assembly. I didn't look at that closely,
but I didn't. I didn't, you know, let Cornac jackis.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
So I'm show in a way, I'm feel kind of
whirdin is no, because like the feedback is like, oh,
the Democrats are back, and it's that this is what
I feel and I could be wrong.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Is this a couple of races like am I ROMI
state will being a little more suspect on nothing?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Wait next year? Yeah, and it's okay. You know. A
great example would be like the New York mayoral race,
and it's the sort of thing that establishment Democrats, the
the Pelosi Crats, the Clinton Crats, whatever we want to
call them, the neo liberals, they would look at somebody

(18:25):
like mom Donnie and completely right off all of his
progressive policies that brought out economically sensitive independent voters, to
say nothing of it having having uh, you know, being
inclusive of all races, ethnicities, worldviews, gender expressions, whatever. But

(18:49):
the Democrats would look at this and go, oh, he's
so good at TikTok, we have to do more on TikTok.
It's like, no, you fucking morons. It doesn't matter whether
he's door knocking, bone banking, leaf flitting, tiktoking, or you know,
parade marshaling. The reason he performed is because of what

(19:14):
he's selling. It Again, it goes right back to what
we said in the in the autopsy. It has nothing
to do with who your sales manager is in everything
to do with the product they're selling. Donnie is selling
a grade A fucking product, and a number of the

(19:34):
demo also, it was low hanging fruit in this case
because you had a whole bunch of voters who maybe
voted for Bernie and then voted for Trump and then
voted for Biden and then voted for Trump again. And
everything with them is about economic messaging, and they don't
really necessarily have the ability or the acumen to like

(19:56):
parse it all out. They just kind of go with
whoever's the loudest speaking to their wallet. How is it
that we so slow hanging fruit for this selection cycle
to just be like, I'm gonna make shit cheaper and
trump on?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, how's how's it?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Idiots like you and I consider know the answer, and
these pieces of ship who are paid my fucking all
the ship don't know what goddamn thing about. Well, why
don't losing.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Voters Remember the old South Park episode when the Bravlowski's
moved to San Francisco and everybody's like sniffing their own
farts and everything. Protect the environment and cal It's that
in the sense that the wealthier you get, and the
longer you're wealthy, the more isolated you become from the

(20:46):
everyday human experience, and especially at a time like this,
when things are so polarized and ascension between the class
rungs is so unlikely. So frankly, these rich assholes have
no idea what it's like, They have no idea what
people really need, and frankly they don't give a shit

(21:09):
because all they care about is their next first class
or private trip, their next hosted dinner, their next whatever.
They don't worry about paying the rent, and they don't
hang out with people who do.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
And the whole fucking like, well, anybody with trump thing
is is a cop out.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, and most of the left wing in this country,
or quote unquote left what what we would call a
left wing in this country but nowhere else, has been
equally co opted by the same moneyed interests. It's like,
pick a topic, there's a lobbyist for that. Yeah, you know,

(21:52):
pick a product, there's a lobbyist for that, whether it's textbooks,
toilet paper, or fucking train tickets. To keep it alliterative, yeah,
So let me ask a question.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
These races here Democrats clean sweet, you know, obviously they're
they're jacked up, fired up.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I mean, yeah, it's good news obviously.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
How does this impact nextous midterms in your opinion.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think it depends on if if the candidates winning
Democratic nominations going into the twenty six midterms are speaking
to the sorts of things that Mom Donnie is And
I think, you know, this is an important bell weather

(22:43):
and the timing of it is serendipitous for that exact
reason is it shows that you can win and win decisively,
not necessarily by following the the winds of money or
the donors or the corporations. And just like it's the

(23:09):
economy stupid. It's that fucking simple, and speak like, oh
my god, it's some of these things might ring socialists,
but the simple truth is everything Mamdani is talking about
that people are calling him a pink o commedy, you know,

(23:29):
isis fighter for is like a good portion of it,
if not all of it, was shit we've had in
the past at some level or at least within New York,
whether at the city, state, or federal level. Everything he's
talking about is shit we've had and lost over the
last sixty seventy years and especially in the last forty years.

(23:52):
These aren't like fucking radical, out of left field communist
manifesto apology. This is a ship that was in the
New Deal.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
You guys, right, what's up? Hold on? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Buddy, can help you?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Okay, you have five remolts in the house reproducing.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, five re milts in the house, and you over
one remote final rote go outside?

Speaker 4 (24:20):
No, good god, he.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Just lost you go code go code and app that
will control the TV over.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Why brother Mark?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
We have literally three TVs downstairs and they have their
own TV in their whole bedroom.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Okay, if you're fighting over TV, someone going to the
room watching fucking TV, it's a big deal.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Good god. Kids.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It's not about the geography, you fucking moron. It's about
I need to watch the one their brother's watching because
I need to torment him and be where he could be.
As simple as I just want to be where brother
is and brother is.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
It really is a way for me, like.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
I'm gonna fight you around you anyway each other the
same time.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
It's crazy mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Like the dog puts like one foot on you.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
But let me ask you this thing about the but
the race.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Also to we kin think of Obama, like Obama did
did speak to DONI before the election.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
We never endorsed him.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Honestly, I'm so tired of caring what he thinks. He doesn't.
He doesn't effectively use the platform he wields. Like the
amount of bully pulpit power he still has or could have,
he doesn't use. He holds his tongue until it's safe.

(25:56):
He doesn't take a stand for things. I mean, he's
just he's always too little, too late. When he fucking
finally sneaks up, yea, well, and what he says is nice,
it's it's it's good, it's it's you know, but like
the damage is done.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Like also is that he doesn't want to get involved
in the race, Like he took a while to indorse Hillary,
he took a while to indoors Biden. I know he's
I don't he's doing that because because he doesn't want
to affect the race and want to with the party.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
You're not Jed fucking Bartlett bro come on.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Like it's annoying. Ship, It's annoying. Like to me, I'm.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Sorry, it really is. And and I feel like, yeah,
I just for the status of sort of the the
extent to which it's like my forever president hashtag or
you know.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Plus, all right, the kids were fighting. We're fine.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
The kids were fighting, so ad D took over in
the in the off mic. But now, anyhow, we were
talking about the Michael Jackson bio pick. You'd sent me
the trailer and I haven't watched it yet, but I've
seen a number of different like film production creators talking
about it and like you were just saying, it's breaking records,

(27:19):
you know, left and right.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Views, most views, most views of my music.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I'm hearing it looks really bad, like the film itself
looks really bad.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I've heard mixed views about it, mostly positive, but again
a lot of it too also is depending on what
perspective I mean. I mean, I've already had see a
lot of hardcore fans or picky on it too, because
they say, oh, they got this part wrong and the
Knowles is a little too big here in this one year.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, that's picking well.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And for the same reason I tend to be excited
about certain things depending on who the and this really
depends on who the figure is. There's a valid criticism
him for the same thing is that what I've been
hearing is, you know, you can't get a great look
at a complicated figure when the estate is involved, because

(28:14):
you're always going to have to sugarcoat the controversial or
problematic parts.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Of you know why.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well, that's gonna ult whether you and I disagree as
to whether or not it's relevant to the story they're
trying to tell. Ultimately, I think that's you know, we'd
be remiss not to acknowledge that's gonna be the criticism.
So how could he such such an important part of
his life and legacy? How could you not address it?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
But well, that's the thing though, so so they did
film stuff for that. The problem is, is that going
to be like the mysterious Joker footage that we never
saw with Jared.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
No, the rumor is.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Right now is that there may be a part two.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well that makes that's well, it's basically they're gonna have
a but they're gonna have enough footage in the can
to be well on their way to a sequel if
it's a hit and the studio goes run it back.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
But this is the snag though, So apparently and.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
So okay, really really quick Okay, what is the overall
arc of what this is going to cover?

Speaker 1 (29:29):
This is covering everything from childhood to the bad album.
Okay you missed, so you're still missing twenty years after that. Yeah,
all the allegations, all scandals, yea.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
And to tell that story in two and a half
hours or less, to go from picking switches in Gary,
Indiana to breaking from the Brothers and the Thriller and
the Earth Studio solo album like man, you are gonna
full lie through ship. Right, So here's it's going faster

(30:10):
than the mini series because that was only two parts.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
You know, Well, here's here. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Though they did film the stuff covering the allegations and
anything else with the team.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
The problem is that they hit they hit a legal snack, like.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Did they get like a gas something.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
There's things in the in the nonsclocial agreement that can't
be touched and because things in the in the making
the movie was probably probably touched in there.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Lawyer, the lawyers give a lot of notes, right, so so.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
But but but they didn't figure it out soil after
the fact, so.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Until it was like the film was already in the can.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Right, so they have four hours of film footage ready
to use. So what they're doing now.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
When there's footage that they can't that you're saying, there's
like four hours of you know, s a related correct context. Yes,
that that they that they've been sort of got like
muzzled on.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
They gotta gotta figure out how to work around that
using name certain names and kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
So what they're doing, remember this, this AEOS will come
out tw years ago.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Because of that, they had to because it originally got
greenlit like right before during the pandemic, right, correcting like that,
and that's that was one of the big that and
then the strikes really so shot it in the both
feet repeatedly, right.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
So so what they did that that reshoots reshoots. Okay,
so what they're doing is this they the word is
that part.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Class of like if we go look it up in
i m dB. Is it like done and getting focus
grouped like a version of it is watchable or is
it still imposed?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
They're done filming, They've filed they filmed this stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know what I'm saying, Oh no, no, no, I
know they're done filming. I'm saying, is it impost production
or is it like there's a finished movie, ready to go,
and it's it's finished, okay, so it may be it
may be nipped or edited slightly, but like the movie's done, right,
it's the release April twenty four, Oh okay, so yeah,

(32:29):
it could still change a bit.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
So what they're gonna do is apparently that if this
first movie, this this movie is a success, which will
be because the hybrid is insane right now.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
At least opening weekend, Opening weekend will be big, and
it might be it might fall off a cliff for
week two kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Well, right, if it, if it does well, then they're
gonna put probably do put work on part two and
try to figure out the le galleys around that. That
that's that's the word I'm hearing right now. My friend
Jen who from Square one, she was she was on
the set the movie early in the year.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
But even even the like Childhood stuff and also all
the like Jackson five stuff is going to be very much.
It's gonna like because the like the famous mini series
with like Angela Bassett and I can't think of the
guy that was the voice of Simba and stuff who
played Little Michael and James Jones. No, no, no, no,

(33:25):
Jason Weaver, Jason Weaver, thank you. But I know that
the Jackson's in American Dream like that was still you know,
until later, until it was Michael was the only famous
one left when they got to the eighties and ship.
But like the childhood parts, it was still very even keeled,
like it was looking at the group, the family. The

(33:48):
whole of it was going to be more specifically like
through Michael's eyes experiencing that like or much much more
focused on his experience.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Rather than the this is a Michael Jackson doctor.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
This is not to say that Jackie isn't gonna be
in it, but he's probably not getting as much like
he's getting less focused than he did in the series.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
People forget to also that the American Dream movie jack
it's about the Jackson family.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Now Michael is the audio.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Now, granted, Michael's is the biggest part of it because
he's the biggest star, so just gonna get all the
all the attention, But that was about the family as
a whole. And for the record, that movie ends at
at the tour in eighty four, so that ended way
before you know what I mean that that left out
the bad album.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I mean they left out because that was right before
Janet blew up. Correct, that's correct, and her wasn't. Rhythm
Nation was like eighty six and stuff Control controls eighty six.
Rhythm Nation was like eighty nine, right, So yeah, but
not bad for not having those albums as a kid.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I think it will do well because it's a firsts
this kind of stuff. This stuff always does very well. Yeah,
the question is gonna be the people ques is it.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Gonna how long is it gonna? Is it gonna last
at the box office? Is gonna be the question?

Speaker 4 (35:08):
I think? I think, I think well, I think go well.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
But then again to the Whitney Houston one isn't one
of the widely regarded great like biopicks, so like it
didn't win awards and ship but honestly I saw it
in theaters and really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
It's gonna do well because it's gonna do well financially
because of the name value. Michael Jackson, that's it.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Mm hmm. Well, but we like the film itself is
is We'll see how Yeah, and whether.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
The film age as well becomes a rewatchable ends up
on a Bill Simmons podcast, like you know, we shall see.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, l saw name value. I know for a fact,
I'm gonna ni pick because I'm I'm a hardcore fan.
It's done by the same people. Look, it's gonna be sugarcoated.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
What And it's one of his nephews is playing Jermain
as a teenager and adult, right, par Jackson.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
He sounds like him too. Also for the record, sounds
like yeah he does. And yes, well he has all
the Michael ticks too. Also he does all the gestures
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
He's he knows well vocal tics and stuff.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, so he'll little ones that the people who've listened
to every album one hundred times over know that are
way more than just like he he and like correct, correct,
and nine hundred other vocal tics he has.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Right, I'm gonna figure like I said, I was bad,
but Queen.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm a huge Queen fan obviously, So when they the
same people who did Queen the movie rhaps about the
movie seven years ago, same people doing it doing this film.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, and that was bad, but Queen.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
What's it called? Mhmm, what's the Michael Jackson one called Michael? Okay,
well no, because almost every fucking time they do one
of these music biopics, whether it's Alton John or Bob
Dylan or Whitney Houston, it's always the name of a song,

(37:00):
and I'm so tired of it. Like Elton John, Rocketman,
Whitney Houston, I want to dance with somebody, Queen Bohemian rap.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
I never said Houston one.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Actually, Oh it's it's pretty good. It's like, for my
understanding is that the estate was involved. I believe it
was done after Bobby Christina passed away.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's a biopick or it is a documentary biopick. Okay
who plays.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Her about what?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I can't remember the game of the actress. She's British though,
but she has a pretty solid resemblance. And you know,
like with so many of these things, with the biopick,
it's like you don't necessarily have to be able to
win a lookalike contest. It's like, do you capture the
essence of this person? And I feel like Naomi Aki,

(38:02):
Naomi Aki, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
This came on twenty twenty two. I missed, I do.
I missed this fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah. I saw, like I said, I saw it in
theaters because that's when I was living in San Diego.
We had the We had the AMC like a list
plus so we could get it was basically like their
version of Movie Past. It was just a little bit
more expensive and restrictive mm hm. And so he and
I were going to the movies like three and four

(38:30):
times a week sometimes.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
The themes I've watched since her death actually is that
Can I Be Me? Documentary from that was on show
Time for a little while.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
That's a really good one.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I haven't seen any of the believe me.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Little it's a little salacious too at the times, but yeah,
it does sound like something that you have to at
least consider.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
But no, this just I'm surprised that.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Saying the biopic, Actually I don't. I I was. It
was my understanding that the family and the estate were
involved with the story. It has to be because but
it's pretty raw, Like I mean, it goes right into
the fact of like her quote unquote best friend her
whole life was in fact her lesbian lover for many years. Yeah, Robert, Yeah,

(39:14):
Robin in it and it caused a lot of problems
with Cissy. Was that her mom snamed Yeah, but yeah,
like the film goes into all of that, like Bobby
Brown doesn't come into the movie till the last third.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
To like the last act.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
You say, you say you saw this.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
At the I saw this in theaters. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Did they go through the entire life forget it more
than once in theaters? They did. They did that. Stein don't.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Forget. I forget how they do it.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
No.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I think it ends with her nineteen ninety four American
Musical War anyone else, like really really big one, and
then it goes into an epilogue from there. But I
don't think they went throughsom men like went through all
her crazy year, Like I don't. I don't believe they

(40:13):
they hit all that. I think it it ended when
it ended while she was on top, and then just
kind of tells you how you Knowney Whitney battle drug
and alcohol, drugs and alcohol for many years and blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah. Twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, they I think these these directors don't try to
don't want to get to the same thing with Frenny
Mercury and Queen They.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
That's that's kind of the criticism though, of content creators
or influencers on this is that saying you can't get
if you have a complicated figure or a problematic figure,
You're never when the family is directly involved with the
telling of the story, you're almost never gonna get sort

(41:03):
of the the raw, the rawest version of whatever rocky part.
The only exception I would say maybe is in the
case of Selena because like the gruesome details are something
horrific that happened to her, so her family, especially with

(41:26):
like Yolanda being up for parole, her family wants to
make sure that that wound is like on the tip
is like front top of mind for everybody of like
how badly Selena was wrong. So like, ifs are involved,
I'm like and quite so I think that's you know,
that's like the exception. But at the point of they're

(41:46):
not going to talk about raw shit and.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
It's gonna something be fucked up. But follow me here.
Her murder actually made up more famous because I also
knew who she.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Was got murdered same I was. I was literally just
telling my mom this story. There was a kid that
was like my homie in fifth grade when I lived
in Vegas, and he was Mexican and he was one
of the only Mexican kids in my class, like, and
he I remember, like, we used to always hang out

(42:16):
at the community pool because a lot of the houses
have teeny tiny little backyards, like fucking posted stamp backyards
with big houses, and there were a lot of community pools.
So we go to community pool hang out one afternoon.
He's wearing this big, oversized like Selena T shirt and
he's moping around the pool. This is summer of ninety five,

(42:37):
and I'm like, yo, why why aren't you in the pool.
It's nine hundred fucking degrees outside. It's August in Las Vegas,
you know, yep. And he's like, honestly, I'm too sad
to swim. Like why He's like, well, Selena died kitchen
out away, Like who the fuck is Selena? Like, and

(42:59):
so he goes on to tell me she's this, she's
the Whitney Houston of Latin music and blah blah blah
blah blah, and she got murdered by her assistant who
was also stealing money from her, and it was all like.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
It happened.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
She was an assistant. She was, and then she kept
assuming more and more responsibilities. But she started out as
just like a straight up assistant, and I think maybe
even just she was either a retail clerk in the
boutique in Corpus Christy, like the original boutique that Selena opened,

(43:36):
or she was doing bookkeeping for the boutique, okay, and
then she kept taking on more and more and more,
and she was her way in was that she was
like the president or something, or an officer in like
the fan club, like the main CELEI fan club.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Obsessed.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Well that's well they didn't know that at the time,
but yes, that's that's what it ultimately turned out to be.
And then when she got fired, it was a you know,
like when Selena noticed that Yolando was stealing from her,
like significant amounts of money, she confronted her and fired her,

(44:17):
and then it became a sort of if I can't
have you, no one can sort of retaliation her getting
fired and she shot her. She shot Selena at that meeting,
and she's still in prison.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
For its bailo parole.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Sorry, yeah, so she's eligible for the parole. I want
to say this year, next year, Yeah, but I don't
see it being very likely that she gets out. No,
especially with the new Selena documentary that the family just
put out and stuff new Netflix documentary.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Anyway, she may fucking didn't kill I mean, depending on.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
What her circums stances.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
And how old she hold a woman now.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Back then, I mean, I think she was in her
late forties or early fifties then, so she's got to
be in her like mid seventies to early eighties now. Yeah,
I would say she's between seventy five and eighty three
if I had to guess, because she was probably between
forty seven and fifty two about thirty years ago.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
All right, So Selena she was, she was swing through.
She died, My god, she was just so young. Yeah, yeah,
let me see a fight real quick. So Selena, I.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Mean, like her English language album like When I Could
Fall in Love blew up on like mainstream radio and stuff,
she had already passed away.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
She's only sixty five, bro.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
She's only sixty five now. Yeah, Jesus goes back and
watch you've been watched. I was gonna say, go on
YouTube and watch the old like news footage thirty years ago. Bro,
But that's what I'm saying. That means she was thirty
that footage. She was not already.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
God, fuck out of here. No, way bro, No way, Bro.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I am obviously You're not somebody who's gonna like pile
on and like throw dirt on my grave here, because
you've got a couple of more trips around the sun
than me. But like, I'm forty two, all ghost and
I'm white? Is it me? Mark? Is it like this
lighting is not flattering? I'm not agree makeup? Like is

(46:37):
it me? Or like, uh.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
More?

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Now five? We know what's fucking weird though, Mark?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Why is it like people who are in the thorities
back in the seventies and eighties look look older than now.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I think, yeah, I think it's okay. So I think
it's a couple of things. I think later Gen X,
elder millennial through like the eldest Gen Z. We're the people,
We're the generation of children and babies who kind of benefited.
We were the last group to get still when overall

(47:13):
condition and life expectancy was on an upward swing. So
I had to do it inverted for the camera. But
that's like when these things were on an upward swing.
So if you were born between nineteen seventy five and
nineteen ninety five, chances are you got if you socioeconomics. Notwithstanding,

(47:39):
at least in the broader overall capabilities of society, you
benefited the most from nutrition, healthcare, sunscreen, overall pursuit of
health and wellness knowledge. So like when you think of
any one generation going all the way back to the

(48:03):
eighteen sixties, like call it so from the Victorian to
the present, no generation hat like we had the best
infant mortality, best maternal mortality. That's not to say that
either of those things are good in the United States,
but on a historic like look at eighteen eighty five. Yeah, yeah,

(48:25):
you know, crazy fucking milk cat milk head like arsenic
in it and shit or boraxe. They were putting borax
in the milk to suppose to because it wasn't pasteurized.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Like right, because I'm forty five. Look, I love much too, milonia.
I look pretty handsome at forty five years old.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yeah, you don't say it. I mean I'm I'm young.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I get I get the most like when I ask
people like especially well, also, it very much depends on
how I'm dressed and like what so if I'm like this,
if I'm wearing like a T shirt and a jersey,
and especially if I have glasses and a cap on,
I look a lot younger. Yeah, but if I'm if
I'm cleaned up, dressed up, looking at a little more fashionable.

(49:08):
I got a nice haircut on my hairstyle and my
beard's trimmed and everything, I look a little a little
more distinguished if you will, right, Hey, but I usually
get thirty to thirty four like when people guess my age,
and I'm very happy to take that. Right.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
The Dodgers win the World Series spec to back.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Uh so funny enough, I didn't watch a single inning
of Game seven, not live on purpose, No, I totally
forgot about it.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
So you watch the first six games, and you watch
Game seven.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I watch parts of Game six. I watched all of
games three, four, and five.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Let me ask you a question, who'd you do for.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I was kind of indifferent. It was it was more
that I wasn't like actively rooted for the Dodgers. But
the one thing that sort of like eked a tenth
of a percent over the to break the tie is
my hatred of George Springer. I just can't right like,

(50:17):
if Seattle had been in the World Series, I would
have been actively rooting for Seattle, wearing my Griffy Jersey
every fucking game, like rooting against the Dodgers. But the
one thing that kind of made me go even that
might overcome my ethical quandary is like, just fuck George

(50:38):
Springer and anyone attached that.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
So that was the one that says, you know what
fucking level for daughters.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't invested. I wasn't wearing my
fucking Freddie Freeman twenty twenty four Champions jersey. You know, like,
I was just whatever about it. I didn't really watched
Game six except for the last couple of innings, and
Game seven I completely missed. I fell asleep on the couch.

(51:08):
I want to say. Oh, well, so I was out
till four thirty in the morning on Halloween. So I
slept all fucking day on Saturday. Yeah. Well, and there's
a bar around there's a bar. So one of my
homies who's from here, he moved down south and so

(51:29):
he was home to visit for Halloween. And there's this
bar right around the corner from my apartment that on Friday,
Saturdays and busy nights will stay open till four four thirty, Okay,
And so after the main party at my little neighborhood
watering hole. I went to go meet up with my
boy because he was only in town for a few days,

(51:49):
and so we turned up till like four in the
morning at this place around the corner. And so yeah,
all day Saturday passed the fuck out. And when I
sleep like that, I just marathon comfort TV or comfort movies.
So I would have had on like er the West
Wing or something just kind of running on a loop

(52:10):
in the background. That's forgot about the game. I slept
through it. And the reason I woke up was because
my phone was blowing up right as the game ended,
and it was like, people who don't watch Baseball Texas,
did you can you believe that that was the fucking
craziest game I've ever seen? And I'm like, oh shit,

(52:31):
that's right. Game sevens tonight. And so I couldn't really
checked with no idea who like what the outcome was.
I didn't even look at like bleacher report alerts, and
I'm like, huh, let's see what happened. And I flip
on the TV in time to see the Dodgers still
like the postgame people hadn't even gotten to them. They

(52:51):
hadn't gotten their T shirts on or nothing yet, like
it had just ended. And later I went back and
watched replay and I watched like the last half, the
second half of the game.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
You understand twenty twelve Mark with fucking slap, bitch slap
twenty play five. Mark wins well because as hardcore as
you've been from Rogers' entire life, and now you're missing
Game seven.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
World series, a world series that people argue is the
greatest of all time. Oh it is.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
It is the greatest. It is the greatest single baseball
game I have ever seen. I have since gone back
and watched it. It is the single greatest baseball game
I can think of that I've ever watched. And you're torn,
and Mark, what of the nar Like the drama and
action of this series is what we wanted last year
from the Yankees series, Like, that's what we were hoping

(53:43):
we were gonna get when these two his you know,
Goliath versus Goliath, MVP versus MVP, you know, money bags
versus money bags. Finally me this it was this series
that we were hoping for. So yeah, there's definitely some
fomo and some frustration of like I'm annoyed that I

(54:06):
can't enjoy something that objectively, I know is fucking amazing,
but it just doesn't. It just doesn't hit the same.
It's kind of the same, Honestly funny. You mentioned twenty twelve,
if I'm not mistaken, that was during the height of
the McCourt boycott, correct, and so twenty twelve of me

(54:28):
would have been like, stand your fucking ground because fuck
that piece of shit from Boston.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
That's true.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
You're right, because I boycotted when when we all when
like shit hit the fan and McCourt was trying to
get the payroll down to something like one hundred and
forty million dollars a year.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
The fans, if you remember, we revolted and revenue tanked,
which is what prompted the sale in the first place.
Good piece of shit, because the fans stopped going to games,
stop buying jerseys, and stop watching TV.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Yeah, piece of himself.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah, Franklin, course.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
So are you gonna Are you back on the wagon
next year? No, as loll as Mark walter'st it.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Kind of depends on what happens. I'm hearing. You know
the already immigrants rights groups, you know, the a lot
of the immigrants groups you know, you've got you've got
some that and certain creators to take a pretty hard
line on you know, the class, class traderism of it all.
And you have other more model like other more mellow

(55:33):
groups saying like, hey, we get it. This is complicated.
But you know, we're asking the Dodgers not to attend
the White House. So there's also talk that it's moot
because Trump has already said he wasn't going to invite
the Dodgers anyway, which is weird because like he was
all too happy to have him last year. I change, yeah,

(55:55):
if if anything, that should be a victory lap because
of Mark Walter's business entanglements. Just for the record, the
reason I'm boycotting the team is because Mark Walter, in
addition to allowing Ice to stage at the stadium, which
ultimately that might have been McCourt because you know, going

(56:16):
back to McCort, he owns the parking lots. If Ice
is staging vehicles in the parking lots, that could be
on mccurt, not Mark Walter. So further reason to hate
Frank McCort if it's true. Otherwise, fuck Mark Walter too.
But Mark Walter still doesn't get out of the barrel
because he is a principal shareholder in a company called

(56:38):
Geo Group, which is a private prison company that makes
a fuck ton of money off of immigrant detention and
ice contracts. So for the Dodgers to claim viva those
lawyers and have no che Latino and all the things,
Viva laasap bullshit. You've made millions, if not billions of

(57:01):
dollars off of the Hispanic community in l A. And
I'll just give it say for the last forty years,
because we talked about the history about you know, Latino's
not really fucking with the Dodgers before Fernando, but just
in the last forty ish years, there's no way you've
not made at least hundreds of millions of dollars off
of viewers and to sell the community out this badly, No,

(57:23):
I don't fuck with you. So the first, you know,
the first blow that had me kind of like soft
boycotting and definitely for the season was them going to
the White House and tap dancing for Trump. And the
thing that has me like genuinely considering a divorce is
the Geogroup stuff. And I have a Lakers cap on

(57:43):
right now, but I'm kind of in the same boat there.
I almost I almost just for shits and giggles to
cause a conversation. Wore my nixt jersey is to fuck
with you, But like it's the same thing. Because it's
now official that the Guggenheim Group, which owns the Dodgers
and Mark Walters, the quote unquote owner of the Dodgers,

(58:05):
is now the owner of the Lakers right and will
be the governor of the Lakers moving forward. So I'll
be really curious to see, you know, especially Lebron has
never had any hesitation about like flicking Trump's minuscule, tiny
microscopic ball sack. So I'm curious to see if he

(58:29):
keeps that energy going forward or if he goes with
the tide and his investors will see. But yeah, I'm
having a really hard time with my relationship with both
the Dodgers and the Lakers on any kind of like
ethical or integrity front because that Lebron, they don't represent
LA when they're when they're.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Also agree Lebron stands on all that stuff. Lebron doesn't
have the same power well, and.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
He's he's honestly on anything issue based. I'll give him
the very very very smallest amount of slack when it
comes to specifically black community issues. But really, for the
most part, his activism is performative, hollow, and disingenuous, regardless

(59:19):
of what it is.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
He means, and I because he means, well, yes, it's performative.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, yes, Like let's go back to twenty twenty when
they fucking walked out and refused to play. Who did that?
The Bucks did that? That was Drew Holliday and Yannis.
They kicked the fucking door down and said, we're not playing.
Do what you want to do, keep our money whatever.

(59:45):
But what's happening with at the time? You know it
was a mott arbery George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, but
this is unconscionable and untenable and we're not fucking playing.
And then and then they had a big meat and
everybody came out okay, okay, okay, cool, where we Yannis
and Drew we know we're not gonna play either. Yeah,

(01:00:06):
but it wasn't Lebron like giving everybody fucking air cover.
It was like, finally, once he spoke up, okay cool,
Like you know, mid level exception guys can like speak
yeah right and not worry about getting waved. But speaking
of which, the Lakers, he was not a he was
not a pioneer. No though, speaking of which, though the

(01:00:30):
Lakers fast start. Dude, what do you think, speaking speaking
of Lebron being hollow and useless, where does he fit
when he comes back? Because right now he's looking like
trade bait.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
The problem is he has no track laws.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Well yeah, but you never know. It might be to
a situation he like, I wouldn't hesitate to trade himTo it,
like if the deal was right traded, like if it
was for Giannis.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
It's not gonna happen, Bro, No one's trading Jannis Lebron James.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Well, no, because isn't ganis in the last year of
his deal.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
No, he has more years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh ship, I thought this year was his last year.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
More years?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Okay, never mind? Yeah, and no one's I don't even
know if I want Giannis when he's a free agent,
because he's gonna be old in his back or his labor.
He's gonna be the same thing with Anthony Davis. It's
the way he's gonna get to town. He's going a
couple of great years and it's gonna fall the fuck
apart in the back end contracted dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I think there's a situation that's good for Lebron maybe
outside of Golden State.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
But the thing is, though, you have to make sure
that team you're doing to deal with, that team was
gonna try to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Not want somebody in the conference, and realistically, like the
way both teams are constructed, as say call it likely
second round exits that could put some ship together. The
Lakers and Warriors kind of fall in the same bucket,
so correting unless you're getting Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green and

(01:02:01):
two first round picks, which implodes the whole point of
the work. Like to me, the only deal that makes
sense more or less doesn't improve either team unless somebody
is being a fucking idiot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
You know, Lakers, don Lakers, You let this ship rhyme
a year and then walk.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Yeah, I mean, I guess unless you get a paw
Gasol level trade package that falls in your fucking lap.
Jerry Wes, Jerry Jerry West rises from the grave, gets
a consulting gig and hands you super star.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
That didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Though, again, short of that happening, I think you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Yeah, I think, and I don't think. I think Lebron
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
He continues to play after this season. I think it's
just gonna be signing with whomever drafts Bryce.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Really, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I think because because the Bronny bron thing hasn't been
quite as fun and exciting and as explosive as it
was supposed to be. Because Bronnie did not come into
the league a bona fide professional. He could have used
at least two or three more years in college.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
He should be the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I'm sorry he's not well, no, I mean he's he's
starting to finally look the part. But I don't think
he's gonna be a twelve year NBA player if his
he's not there in the first place, if he's not
Lebron's kid. But the point is Bryce looks like Dad
with a jumper. Hmmm. So like he's he's six' seven

(01:03:50):
or something like. That he's, like, uh he's a. FRESHMAN
i believe.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
At u of a bigger Than, bronnay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
He's already like six evan or six eight at. Eighteen
he's built just Like dad, Was, oh except that he's got.
Range he's already got a jumper and three point. Range
but he's got the, handles the. Explosiveness he's skinny and
lanky because he's. Eighteen his, nuts that's WHAT i. MEAN

(01:04:21):
i mean his nuts dropped twenty minutes, Ago so like
by twenty, three twenty, four he's gonna be a fuing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Beast, HEY i think this can think about.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
It lebron didn't have even a mid range game Until, miami.
RIGHT i, mean he hit a few jumpers and some
buzzer beaters and had some clutch moments that, were you,
know twenty five feet out whatever ish from the basket In,
cleveland but all he was was a dunker for the most.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Part What, Mark i'll tell you what this whole thing With.
LEBRON i think he was out for a. MONTH i
think he was trying To he was hoping The lakers
player lose some games so they need. Him it's just
it's fucking. BACKFIRED i THINK i doubt he, Levered no
doubt it's the leverage.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Play, well BECAUSE i, mean think about, it he looked
like a time, traveling fucking UNANIMOUS mvp last. Year he really.
Did AND i think he was probably assuming The lakers

(01:05:32):
were going to be off to a slow. Start because
they had a questionable fucking roster AND jj in his
second year and upheaval with, ownership and he was going
to come off of playing like a twenty five year
old to all the fanfare and. EVERYTHING i don't think

(01:05:53):
he was Expecting Austin reeves And Luka doncic to look
like this in his, absence and because of what they're
doing in terms of drawing double teams and what both
of them can do Facilitating DeAndre aiden And Rui Hachi
mura looking pretty, good and like that kid number twelve

(01:06:14):
is looking pretty, good the one That Anthony edwards and
now myself don't know who the fuck that kid, is
but he was looking really good the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Other, Night like look good we. Played we said it last.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Year LIKE jj knows what he's. Doing so as long
as as long as he gets a roster that allows
him to do his, THING i think he's you, know
he's going to be somebody that ultimately proves kind of
Like Phil, jackson super roster. Dependent his system is going

(01:06:45):
to work with a select group of players and a
certain mindset of, player and if he can develop that
secret sauce before the press and the fans turn on,
him well then he'll probably have a successful and lengthy
ten years the head coach of The. Lakers Otherwise Luke, Walton.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Yeah, Exactly Luke, Walton LIKE i, said this is that's you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
KNOW i, said at the, TIME i Thought luke was
a few years too. Early but the potential were given
the coaching pedigree that he comes, from both as a
player and like who he's played for and everything, like
it made all the sense in the world that he
would eventually be the head coach of The lakers one.
Day BUT i think they just they jumped the gun
a couple of years too early on, him, right they,

(01:07:36):
look they look, incredible and, Yo nicks look good too and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Decent then wonders what should be?

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Doing, YEAH i MEAN I i what do you would you?
Say they're the odds on favorite in The east or
at least expectation.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Wise, YEAH i mean, yeah BECAUSE i mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
A roster, overall And boston's not going to Get tatum
back for any reason this, year right because the achiltes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
He said that that even if you had come back
to the the team doesn't want them. Back they want
to make they want to reset this year and at
all this year until next. Year, yeah because the injury
happened too, late all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Right so really it's it's The.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Bucks, okay, Bust.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Yeah it's The Bucks New york And indiana to lose.
It in The East, Indiana, Oh Indiana's indiana's no good this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Year, no they know No helburn.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
He's out To oh that's, right he's injured.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
TOO i forgot about in The east is it's it's
It's detroit right, now seven and two right now in a.
Row cleveland still pretty. Good The bulls haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Been detroit still, Continuing they're like.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
YEAH i just, HONESTLY i didn't know all About. INDIANA
i just sort of assumed that having been in the
finals last.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Year here's the bottom, mark here's the battling.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Mark it's it's it's under a, bust the thunder or
nine and one Without Jalen.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Williams do you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Think reasonably THAT'S i, mean San antonio looks like women
the DAY i was gonna, Say wenby is. Terrifying and
do you think do you think San antonio is good
enough to at least get to The Western conference? Finals
exactly AS i, mean, Again i've only seen bits and

(01:09:17):
pieces because again it's not Like i'm getting Fucking San
antonio games On Long. Island but you, know SO i
and at the, MOMENT i Have YouTube. Tv we don't
get a sports, center we don't have Any, HONESTLY i
was gonna, say honestly in this one, Case i'm With
google on this one because my understanding is THAT espn

(01:09:40):
And disney more or less a they're They're they've said
this for a while, anyway like before they had problems
that they were going to roll Up hulu Into Disney.
Plus so it's a revenue stream that's going. Away oh
So hulu app is officially.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Done they rolled it. Up it's still, there BUT i,
yeah like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
There's still the low original, content but it's only viewable
On Disney.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Plus, No, no it's time. Being it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
That oh, Okay but, Yeah that's WHAT i mean is
they've already announced their shutting Down. Hulu but on top
of that is obviously they lost a huge chunk of
market cap with The Jimmy kimmel, fiasco and So disney
AND espn and THE nfl basically went To google and, said,

(01:10:29):
SO i don't, Know i'm just making up. NUMBERS i
don't know how the deals are. Structured we see here
that you're paying seven cents a subscriber for them to
WATCH espn And Disney, networks we think that should be.
Twelve what BUT.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Espn app now they rather you go to their.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
App, now well accept except that for, EXAMPLE i HAVE Espn.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Plus that's one. Point oh they have the LIVE Espn
unlimited now thirty dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
A month because my esp, okay so MY Espn plus
used to include LIVE tv and it. Let so that's
WHY i only get for, example when a hockey game
is being shown ON Espn, plus that's THE i don't
Get Sports center. ANYMORE i can watch the thirty for thirty,

(01:11:32):
LIBRARY i can watch all of, that all THE espn
original ship on. Demand WHY i can't watch LIVE tv and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
W w nowns ON. Espn now W pl is now
on their pay per views and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
You need well that and now apparently. Too you can
rest assured that like commentary about THE nfl is going
to be uh corporate washed as a mother far because
what the league owns something like a quarter OF.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Espn so thank god for my people like myself who
don't listen to ESPN's nfl.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Coverage It's coulson of WHAT.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
I mean outside of outside Of scott Van pelt and
a couple of really beautiful women that are honestly guilty pleasures,
Anyway LIKE i don't, Like, YEAH i don't like THE
espn broadcast compared to, say THE nbc. Broadcast, However Malika
andrews and L duncan.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Could they can get.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
IT i would commit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Crimes they can get. It they can get. It, wait,
Wait Mark David brother married.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Him that one blows me. Away blows me away because
white white like not, LOOK I i can see. Myself
i'm not, stupid but like he's really darky. Looking well

(01:13:03):
like he has a little bit like that. Ship.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Bro women like that. Ship, Bro i'm telling, you women
like that. Ship that the corny, ship the bad boy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Goodbye when when people who can make him? Laughing?

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Ship, NO i get my, god, MAN i just the the,
inversion the inverse. Ratio there is just.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
We were raised an eraror where women and preferred.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
BACK i don't know if like she got a new
contract or just life is. Good but, Okay Maria taylor
has been, fun be, fun always been, stunning. Stunning but
lately have.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
You watched THE nbc coverence lately with THE nba.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
And a little bit OF nfl here and, there BECAUSE
i tend TO i tend to catch The sunday night
game WHENEVER i popped into my little watering all across the. Street, okay, okay,
no and you, know but, yeah BECAUSE i mean it's
It's turner with a little bit of that NINETIES nbc
flare basically. Right so, basically BASICALLY.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Nbc took Over turner's spot in terms of the days
of showing the games they're.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Doing tuesday bought, out they bought out their fraction of
THE nba, broadcast and The turner slid into it WHEN
nbc folded ITS nba coverage.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Because turner was On tuesday. Nights remember, now THE nbc, people, well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
But that's What i'm saying is LIKE nbc was obviously you,
Know Marv albert and a moderate shot and all like
that was a powerhouse on the. Night but then when
they ended THEIR nbc, coverage that was When turner slid. In,
correct not necessarily, not there was some, overlap.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
No, no, no, No turner was always The tuesday And
friday BROADCAST nbcid then mainly The.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Weekend, oh they just EXPANDED espn And turner.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
When, right right? Expanded, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
So they were both already. Fixtures right has been obviously
the merger OF abc AND espn.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
And right but if we got Too Mark turner has
has been a longer partner of THE nba than anybody
else has since nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Nine have they really?

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
CONSISTENTLY i, THOUGHT i thought the entire, time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
No BECAUSE i thought, no going, like, oh BECAUSE cbs,
TECHNICALLY cbs doesn't have THE.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
NBA abs lost, SEVENTIES cbs lost it TO nbc in ninety,
ninety nineteen, NINETY.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
Nbc to OVER CBS cb and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Then through the nineties it was alternating BETWEEN, NB Nbctnt
no no, no, no, no, no, no, NO Abc no,
no no for the FINALS abc in.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
The two thousands, Eight, no, no you get, it get it.
Wrong i'm telling.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Out that wasn't until the two.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
Thousands, CORRECT cbs was the. Mainstay, oh you're, right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah because it was high school was, okay, yeah because
that was The lakers three he was sophomore junior in the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Nineties in the, nineties it Was turner AND. Nbc that's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
It then in two thousand and two WHEN nbc was
done with the, coverage WHEN lebc stopped doing THE, NBA, NBC,
ABC espn came in the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Fall was it that late THAT abc came back into
the next with the? Finals, yes and that was After
disney had ACQUIRED espn, obviously right and then and think
about right, right but it wouldn't have been like competing entities.
Anymore but has worked bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Correct But turner has been with THE nba prior to
this year for thirty five straight.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Years, okay, Yeah And ernie had always been a.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
Guy he was by himself and he was like In.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Atlanta rab's local broadcast buy when turn When ted Created
Turner media.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Right, right and inside THE nba was early by himself
for a long time by himself and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Okay and then it was first and Then charles and
then The jack and then.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Okay so, yeah SO i Missed, turner but honestly we
still got THE.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Nba it's, like, guys, YES i would, say given how
much trepidation there was from like the real, fan LIKE
i know what my group chat of friends who actually
like really watched THE. Nba they were soup for a
year and a half in the run up to the
last broadcast on T N. T they, were you, know

(01:17:46):
pissing and moaning about, it and all of them had
like huge reservations about what THE nbc broadcast was going
to look like or, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait hold
on the aren't The turner guys are ON espn now
inside the inside THE nba guys are ON. Espn SO

(01:18:07):
i haven't actually watched a ton of, that but WHAT
i will say is that THE nbc broadcast is filling
the void Of turner pretty fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
NICELY i haven't watched it in detail, yet but What
i've seen the hordes really. Good and by the, WAY
espn has allowed in THE nba to be, themselves it's
been the same show so.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Far, Okay SO i think you kind of have To
it's not gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Work we're gonna Muzzle you're got a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Muscle Gu, yeah you know what will end up happening
Is universal will buy out their fucking contracts and leave them,
alone let them, cook and they'll just do it ON. Nbc.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Right, Yeah and it's be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
FAIR i think we should shouldn't have been as scary
Because pat McAfee is very.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Edgy that's, True, Pat pat's kind of first through the
door on. That in a lot of ways he. Does
he does a lot of. Ship that's it's sort of
like if if he, grant if he loses a tenth
of a percent of a ratings, point like he could be.
Fucked but remember remember that such a, draw he can

(01:19:22):
say and do whatever he.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Wants but don't forget, though, too he's not an. Employee
he's unemployee OF. Espnc well, no.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
No, no because he. Is because he's part of The
College Game day crew. Too it's not just syndicating his.
Show he's officially part of The College Game day. Crew, now.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
That's, right he's part of. THAT i don't don't watch.
ANYMORE i forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Because when they When courso is like as part of
the transitioning Of courso, Out like, SHIT i don't even
Watch College Game day like. That but a couple of
my buddies Love pat, McAfee so they're always talking about
it around. Me but, yeah If i'm not, mistaken As
corso was starting to transition out over the last couple of,
years And pat McAfee has really blown up because it's

(01:20:03):
his whole shtick that is the like fifty to fifty
raffle for the field goal kick thing where they give
away like three hundred grand and it's like one hundred
and fifty ghost to charity and one hundred and fifty
ghosts to the kid kicking the field. Goal, right it
always always ends.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Up on the way by the. WAY i, WAS i,
WAS i asked CHAPTER, BT i was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Correct pat McAfee is generally considered an independent contract and
UNOFFICIAL Espn disney.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Employee he has a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Licensing relative relative to HIS tv. Show, yes, right, yeah so,
no but UNDER i would, BET i would bet under
his college Game day, contract He, no he's an employee
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Now, no he also has a, separate smaller contract as
an analyst on College.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Day, maybe but that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Okay, so but that's WHAT i mean that that agreement
makes you AN espn. Employee mm.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Hmm but he's. Not he's not the. Same he's not
really an. Employee it's a. Contract well for his, Show,
yes his show the, same the. Same both actually interesting
BECAUSE i.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Mean his show basically operates the same Way LeBatard, did
where he just does the same show he's always, done
and In lebatard's, case continues to do and it just
happened to be carried ON. Espn, yeah, yeah, yeah Which
LeBatard And John. BOY i fucking love those.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Guys Who's John?

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Boy you don't Follow John boy?

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
MEDIA i Think i've, HEARD i, DON'T i. DON'T i
don't know he.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Has he Has Talking yanks and Talking. Baseball he and
his guys are Mostly yankees. Fans but he blew up
during the pandemic where he went viral and his platform
really got crazy was he would do a lot of
lip reading on tense moments and like benches clearing moments between,
teams and he's really good at, it and so that's

(01:22:04):
how he got. Famous but now like he's he's like,
sponsored and you, KNOW i think HE i think he's
GOT i think His Talking yanks show is. On, yes
he's sort of like A New York. Levatard he's like
the second coming Of, levatard but For New. York, OKAY

(01:22:25):
i see, Him, NO i, know very very similar like
and his his crew of misfits is very similar To
LeBatard and his, crew whether it's Like Stu gott's or
you know those, guys like it's there's a lot of
there's a lot of one to one. There it's like
the sort and ship Between West wing and. Newsroom i've

(01:22:46):
heard Of John Boy.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Media i've never even.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Across it. BEFORE i have the guy LIKE i think
he's like tiny Te o or. Something he's A phillies
guy and he does.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
The, yeah, yeah, yeah it's fucking. Great i've never Know
John Boy. MEDIA i never never, died.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Did? You, obviously The mets had such an atrocious, year
And Juan soto being mentioned as an m V p
finalist is almost more of an honorarium because we know
it's really it's between Kylesh hoarber and shot and to
me It's otani and it shouldn't be, really it shouldn't
really be a fucking question.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
MARK i don't give a. Fuck this mess team so.
HORRIBLE i that's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
RIGHT i was, gonna LIKE i, SAID i was gonna
ask you just slugger ship.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
LIKE i, go cool. Beans, YEAH i don't give a,
yeah you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
GUYS i like to See otani win the m V
p BECAUSE i really need to hit people to put
a stamp on it That, like for, example Did Kyle
schwarber hit twenty thirty points better in average OR ps
plus or any of that was his war the same As. Otani's,

(01:24:12):
no it. Wasn't so he did historic pitching numbers and
led the league in offensive. Numbers get the fuck out of, HERE.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
I, THINK i, THINK i think if you if you're
cuting it off at the regular, season.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Of, COURSE i, Think, well he didn't have a Great World,
series but he still had a really solid. Postseason BUT
i WOULD i would argue the playoffs in the voting,
though the clutoff after the, Season i'm NOT i don't think,
so because not everybody's. Eligible you, know how are you
gonna how are you gonna? Hold, like for, example let's

(01:24:47):
say your two odds on favorites are your three odds
on finalists in The National league Are, Soto, schwarber And. Otani,
Well soto didn't make the playoffs And schwarberg got swept
out of the. Playoffs so how are you gonna sit
here and then knock On otani and go oh, well
his batting average was down forty points In october and

(01:25:10):
he really shipped the bed in The World. Series, well
the other two fucking guys were In, cancun, Right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
I'm message to playing golf In San.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Diego what are you talking? About? Yeah before Start here's
What i'd argue With otani. Too he still HAD i
If i'm not, mistaken at least, forty if not a
fifty home run season, again put up damn Near Cy
young pitching, numbers and was still lights out across all

(01:25:43):
categories throughout the regular. Season the way The dodgers are
constructed to win In october and hit you as a
platoon with just no matter who goes down next man.
Up any dude one through nine can fucking put a
ball in the cheap. Seats as we saw.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
Mc, Rojas fuck, You Will smith he killed, it didn't
get a C, S mvp lesher, Two, Edmund tommy ed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
It it was close Between wilson Guy. Edmund edmund got
THE nlcs and Then freddy of course got The World
SERIES mvab the.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Other guy too? Good, oh Fred riemans a good guy,
though nice teeth Fig, yeah but.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Now having gone back to back in The World series
and had the moments he's had in L. A even In.
Atlanta broadcaster was saying this the other day that like
when he goes Into, cooperstown his bust is gonna be
with L. A Gear.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
ON i don't, know he may decided that he may
have Sided. Atlanta, still uh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
No because think of. It the example this old broadcaster,
used he, Goes we'll just look no further Than Reggie.
Jackson he played nine years In. Oakland one, like went
to The All star team like or seven times one
one or Two World series if not, three, like he

(01:27:06):
had a stellar career In. Oakland who the fuck besides
somebody like you or, me even knows That Reggie jackson
played In.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
OAKLAND i forgot he, did as just mentioned. THAT i,
forgot AND i know he did. IT i know he played.
THERE i forgot he played there, Actually.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
And then there Was baltimore and a couple other teams
after The. Yankees but, like he's a Fucking. Yankee and
it's gonna be when you're talking About, Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs
Red sox and honorable mention to The. Cards if you
win chips for any of those, clubs if you make

(01:27:43):
if you do what you're supposed to do to uphold
your position in in you, know the pantheon of those,
clubs that's what you gonna be remember.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
For you gotta point There. Brot, Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
And freddy's a wonderful. Dude he's beloved In, atlanta but
stop side of it in Twenty like, again to quote
This atlanta broadcaster in twenty, forty when he's standing up
there At cooperstown for his, induction nobody outside Of atlanta
is gonna think of him as anything but A.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
Dodger you're probably, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
MAN i, mean if he hadn't hit that Fucking Grand
slam In game one last year against The, Yankees like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
What About game three The World series, SERIES.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
I THINK i mean moments IN la that's that is
obviously the longest The dodgers have participated in the two
longest games IN mlb. History they won both of. Them
they were both At Dodger. Stadium they were both on
walk off home. Runs like it was. Incredible but, ultimately
like when you're talking about dead air filler on Sp

(01:29:00):
SPORTSNET la fifteen years from now and they're running highlight
reels and like old documentaries and, STUFF i, think just
because of The yankee, thing The fernando, thing and The
Grand slam and The Kirk gibson of it, all LIKE
i think The yankees one is gonna outshine this one

(01:29:21):
a little. Bit even though this The Blue jays series
was a better.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Series, yeah, WELL i, mean you're got wrong on that, one.
THOUGH i think maybe you have a point of thing
that it's gonna be A.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Dodger know where are? You where are The? Mets, okay
are The mets gonna be any good next? YEAR i don't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Care i'm so fucking doing this, team. Bro i'm so
doing this. Team.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Bro i'm so doing, though like one really really inspiring
year followed by five to twelve years of just abject.
TORTURE i, mean here's what it, IS i knowing THAT
i don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
Him The alonso back next.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Year SO i don't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
THINK i don't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
THINK i don't think you're Getting. PEOLE i do believe
is a. MISTAKE i, THINK i think BECAUSE i mean, anytime,
like obviously The mets are more of A Long island
team than of A burroughs. Team and to, me you
got somebody that, good that he is beloved in this

(01:30:30):
community and Is, italian you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Shouldn't he's hard sold that, franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Bro Not So, yeah, well it's it's kind of the
same thing we always said about Like Kawhi kawai might
have been the best player on The, spurs but it
was Still Tim duncan's. Team it's Like Juan soto might

(01:30:55):
be inarguably the best ballplayer on The, mets that that
locker room and the fan base belonged To Pete alonso
And Francisco.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Lindor, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
That's A AND i get That Wan soto has some,
credibility having already been In New york and, everything like
some built in fan base and ship like, that but
he does not have the respect of The mets fan
base the way That and AND i, Mean i'm up
to my elbows and you motherfuckers like half my bowling

(01:31:30):
Leaguer mets, fans you, know smart, guys well torture.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Guys. Sure, YEAH i.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Have friends who are Actually, Mets, Jets islanders And knicks fans.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
Do that makes sense, Though that's what it, is that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Order but oh my, god just like when you think Of,
Mets jets And, islands one of the most, resilient loyal
human beings on the face of the planet.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
The.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Giants The giants have been no better in the last fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
YEARS i still don't understand what deal with the devil
was made for The jet or for The giants to
be like really solid for six years fire off two
chips against The Brady juggernaut quarter century literally like a

(01:32:38):
twenty year. Run years.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
Ago we sold our soul To satan to Get Super. Bowls,
yeah what.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Did somebody in The mara family do? It was It?
ELI i don't know or who Was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Timber because they are one of the worst franchise in
sports last fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Decade it might have been the coach because wasn't he
of like surly Fucking Bill parcells type but Less Tom. Coughlin,
yeah just grumpy. BASTARD i got. It and he didn't
strike me as a good, coach and like when he
crashed and, burned he flamed out, bad like it got ugly.

(01:33:19):
Quick SO i think he might be the soul selling
culprit maybe WHAT i think it might Be.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Coughlin all things, Though i'm still glad we uh we
got bowls and Be brady to get those.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Bowls and you, know according to my good friends, here
so this has definitely become MY afc Team and if
The rams ever do like my my dedication to The
rams is flimsy at. Best fuck me, Man Bill's mafia
is so much fun and technically they hate me right,

(01:33:55):
now the only New york.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Team they, yeah you're. Right, no they hate me right,
Now Bills mafia Because i've been critical last week or.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
So we have A bills bar here In. Babylon what
maybe It's West. Babylon it's one of The babylons On Long.
Island there's a bar Called Red. Zone used to be
a titty. Bar so it's like a concrete box with no. Windows,
yeah but it is A bills bar. Now AND i kid,

(01:34:26):
you not the best chicken wing On Long, ISLAND i believe.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
It by the, way. Amazing by the, Way Bill's mafia
some of the nicest fans in the.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
World oh my, GOD i have so much fun with
My bills fan. Friends they went right BEFORE i got
back From. California they did a fucking pilgrimage To buffalo
to catch a game before the weather went completely the
ship AND i was so MAD i couldn't. GO i
missed them by literally a. Week and the, WAY i

(01:34:56):
just so badly want to. Dive oh, sorry throw on
A Josh allen jersey and wear A Hailey steinfeld mask
and jump off a van through a poorly constructed. Table,
yeah so, Badly, La BEFORE i get too old to

(01:35:19):
seriously have to worry about like hurting, myself LIKE i
want to do it while there's still a decent CHANCE
i don't like separate his, shoulder break my collar. Bone.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
True. True, anyway it's that time you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Go you go make sure your boys aren't. Fighting i'm
gonna get some dinner and change clothes and go to
the bar BECAUSE i am a man.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Child i'm actually GLAD i got in finally in this
pod this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Week, yeah, dude we're. Overdue thursday was not a good
day fucking shiwarma and sharia for All New, yorkers.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Those right, wingers like what the you gotta fucking communist
in your?

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Podcast just, start just start getting used to saying in
when you're whenever you're talking to your your Your New yorker,
friends you'll hear me say. It i'm gonna start brushing
up on My. Arabic, okay you know it's it's gonna be.
Great we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna sinewash The. Saudiast

(01:36:27):
we're going to institute. Communism it's gonna be so much.
Fun think About think about how much fucking room for
activities there's gonna be when the like three million people
flee the city after his. Inauguration it's gonna being beautiful so.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
Much make sure some folks make sure you're telling. Me
you joking, obviously but, okay of.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Course i'm. Sorry it is that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
Serious, NO i know you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Can't you definitely cannot clip this for like YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
SHORTS i.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
DIDN'T i didn't police my language with like code words and.
SHIP i just said ship?

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Whatsoever you got.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Full episode only or like substack.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Beyond the scenes BT. S all, right Good, john market.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Night for real love you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
It you got it later, man

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