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Earnest ‘EJ’ Christian and Rob The Genius preview and predict this weekend’s WWE Saturday Night’s Main Event and react to Bleacher Report’s Top 25 WWE Men Superstars of the last 25 years.
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
Do false count anywhere, a part of the Ernest Speaking
podcasts Iman hosts Ernest E. J. Christian. Recording is actually
a little early than usual on Tuesday, October twenty eighth,
twenty twenty five. Don't mean when, of course on the
show coming on Wednesdays, but you know, things came up.
We have something going on this week. But of course
we do this every single week, well every week, but
(01:24):
as we if we could with our man of course
one third of the monitors. The podcast also hosts of
the Rob the Jenis podcast. It is the Man, the Myth,
the Legend, Rob the Genius with us Rob, what's up brother? Yeah,
I'm going to concert more night. That's why we're doing
course a little earlier.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
This will still drop on it. This will still drop
on the Thursday as planned, but just recording.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
A day earlier than usual because of you know, personal
stuff here going on home.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
But uh, anyway, we.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Haven't we haven't talked about two weeks, two weeks, three weeks,
a few weeks. There's me a few weeks and we
did say the like, you know, football season especially right now,
went World Series, NBA's back college walls. We're not going
on NFL it's peak time for me in sports, and
there's so much content going out sometimes resting suffers, you
(02:11):
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But I gotta say not going on here.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But we're gonna preview the ten Many event comeing up
this coming Saturday, UH in Salt Lake City. But before
we get to that, Before we get to that, I
want to discuss something that Bees Report did this past UH.
I want to say two weeks ago, maybe a week ago,
that we want to react to. It was their top
twenty five mail wws of the last twenty five years.
(02:41):
I'll run through the list real quick, just to kind
of get an idea. So twenty five was Kobe Kingston
twenty four, Booker t twenty three, Kevin Owens twenty two,
Dean Ambrose twenty one, Cody Rhodes twenty, Stow Co, Steve
Boston nineteen, AJ Styles eighteen, Bautista seventeen, Shawn Michaels sixteen,
Jeff Party fifteen, Eddy Guerrero fourteen, CM Punk thirteen, Triple
(03:03):
H twelve, Rock Lessner eleven, Edge ten, Daniel Bryan Number nine,
The Rock eight, seth Rond seven, kurd Angle six to
Undertaker five, Chris Jericho four Ravens Stereo, three Roman Reigns,
two ren ne Yorton and one John Cena. Now, I
have no problem number one for the record, no problem
with that. He is by far in the last quarter century,
(03:26):
the biggest start in the company of those years. I
know we're gonna say, well, what rock Holston Austin's pushed
to the top was in the nineties, Yes, exactly the rock.
You can argue the same thing too also, but after
it passed number one and maybe number two, I guess
see number two? Why Orton number two? But after that
(03:48):
this list is all fucked up. I feel like this
listen like a bunch of people, people who have the
people put their favorites on the list here as opposed
to what is impactful.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
What makes sense, and what's what stands out?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
What stand up for you?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And we're wreck to what's down for you?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Chris Jericho and Ring Mystereo have the undertakers ingregious?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Now can I argue not saying that?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Just crazy? Because I do greevy on that Taker's best
What is Taker's best run though in the nineties, right,
would you agree?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
No? It was? It was because I mean the streak
matches didn't get good until the two thousands. I mean
the street matches, most of the street matches during the
nineties were not very good, and.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
He was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Probably like a bottom five WrestleMania main event against Psycho said,
oh that's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, at bottom five, but maybe I guess Madine events.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah maybe, yeah, Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
We got to know what one we should do one day.
One day, we do one day next year the main
event season, we'll do like a top five worst main
event rest made events ever at the worst, the bottom five.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That one's up there.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, wasn't a good match. I agree with that. I
agree on that one, but go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I mean then during the nineties he also he got
stuck with a bunch of stiffs. He got stuck with
Giant Gonzalas and you know, washed up King Kong Bundy,
and you know he had a casket managers like Mabel
I think, you know, I mean, the nineties were not
good to the Undertaker.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, if you look at WrestleMania, I I agree,
but in terms of storytelling and the character and what
got him over and sustaining all that, I mean, look,
I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Lie to you a lot of is biased too, because
I watched.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
More of his work in the nineties I did in
two thousands, because I was checked out by two thousand
and two. Obviously, High to Power is his best matches,
his most iconic matches are definitely then in the two
thousands and even beyond that. But in terms of the
work he did overall, not just in ring but character,
I can make the argument it's closer to a wash now.
(06:10):
Having said that, I will concede this work great, what
mine work great wise, No question in two thousands, because
there's some things there, but with Brock, not just not
that's the streak stuff, but in two thousand and two
match what the Brock, but lesbian Hill in the cell,
his matches with obviously with Sean and Daney, but it's
also a lot of really good things that orton at
(06:31):
five and all this stuff. I would argue, yes, in
terms of the whole package, maybe two thousands of better
than nineties, But I think the character of what made
him who he was, it's hard ignored the nineties also
too in his case anyway.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Sure, but remember now I remember, and he was a
big deal for twenty years of little twenty five Jericho
was not, and neither was Ray so.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Hm hmm, yeah, yeah, I think Orton is slightly too high.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I think Roman is.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think Orton Orton is a longevity pick because because.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Orton, let me say this, Orton should be top five.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yes, he talk five, but at this point, what Roman
did his last five years, it's more of Orton's on
his tire career.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
W what Roman has done on this half, and Romans
had one for that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Alone, and Randy Orton was never the unquestioned number one guy.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Correct roman Is. I agree river Service is too high,
Jericho is too high. Takers to takers to take us
too low. I take us to be top five. I agree,
go ahead. Anything else that stands out to you here.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Kra Angle, I say it's too high because he was
going after two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I agree with you on that one as well. And
that's what I as well.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yep, I mean, and you argue his I mean a
lot of his best work on the TNA.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
True.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So so yeah, k angles do high. I think problems
should be a head of ker angle for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Easily, yeah, easily, or angle angle should not do I
I can that current angle should not even be in
the top twenty because if look the list of the
list here people that they obviously view long Jemy's the
(08:43):
thing well or Angle had six years in the company. Yeah,
so what are we doing because I would take even
the rock what he did in two thousands, but the
absence didn't come back over Angle.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Brian was ever for ten years.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Bro, I can I can find you this list alone
here to the follow guys put Angle right now in
the twenty five years. But seth the rock brock Lessner, Uh,
I can argued.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Edge No to me, it's not even an argument Edge
one two, There you.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Go, There you go, triple h. I put I put
ahead of a of cred Angle in two thousands. Punk
is debatable. Shawn Michaels could be debatable. I mean Michaels
was a part time pretty much two thousand. Problem at
(09:43):
this point, I I you almost commit a case of Cody.
So that's eight guys have mentioned there, seven guys mentioned
her that can go easy or an Angle that it's
not me shooting on Angle for a record because I
love kord.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Angle at this point.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
He beat John Ceenland at SummerSlam World chap after like
six months and.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Again, what hurts Angle here is not because he's not great.
Angle's fantastic. What hurts Angle is the lack of longevity
in the company. He was only here for six years
of the twenty five. That's that's that's hurt him.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Argument.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I mean, you make an argument for Diana Ambrose.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, I mean, yeah, it's very It's the very
reason why Stokes sebasts is the number twenty and the
higher because of the again, his assent was was was
in the nineties and then he only has three years.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, I mean, and one of those years and one
of those hues that he's injured. Actually, yeah, Austin was
a weird case because during any one of those years
he was there, i mean, during his big run, he.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Was the number one guy, unquestion, number one two.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, but it's just it was only it was a
couple of years at the very end in the nineties,
and then a couple of years very beginning of the
two thousands, and it's just so many other guys just
you know, have longer runs. But his peak is you know,
(11:19):
his peak is Hogan Bruno level, you know, but it's
still it was just it was short.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And he's still arguing and he's still people say arguably.
I say, I think it's unarguable. At this point he
is probably still to this day the superstar and history
of the company to this day hid the powers.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah. And then also, I mean, like Hogan had Rocky three,
you know, coming off of Rocky three, and he had
a so his name was already out there like that,
you know, with the general public, Like Austin that was
all him man, yeah, you know, and he was a
(12:07):
mid card guy from w c W. And I mean
he was really he was a really damn good one.
But still, you know, the mid card guy from w
c W coming over there and becoming the biggest star
in the home industry. That is nobody called that.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
No, no, no, I I think Austin is. I think
they have that correct. But I do think that, yeah,
that correct for me with stands out here as I look,
I think Randy's slightly too high by my arguing that one.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I think four through four and five are.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Way too high. Seven is too high. Seth Roninds actually
is probably too low to this point at this point.
Now it's seth Ronalds top five. That's arguable. But in
case either way, Brown that's what should be much higher
he is, I think brought I think, to be honest
with you, I think Brock is the biggest, most agreedious
one at all, because.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes he missed.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Two thousand and five through twenty eleven, yes, but the
impact in twousand thousand and four and the impact twelve
beyond supersts all that stuff, you know, is the guy
to beat the streak, is the guy that was, you know,
the next this thing. He should be top ten. Easy,
(13:30):
to be honest with you, I think he'd be over
to Rock if you if you have a conversation about
that man the targrapher that.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, because I mean, well Rock is in the same
boat as Austin really, except I don't put Rock ahead
of Austin because because rockhead to you know, the comeback later.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Oh of course, yeah, well question, Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I agree with that. From said anything else stood out
to me. Guerrero's fine, Like that was like, I don't
people love him? I don't know if I put him
out of Shaw Michaels though still even in two thousands,
But again, Greer was a full timer in those five years.
He was he was here and he was doing everything
for the company. Batista's too high eighteen Yeah, yeah, he
(14:20):
was injured a lot mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
His run at the top wasn't I mean as a
level guy was It was from like two thousand and
five to twenty ten, and then he was in and
he missed a lot of time during those five years. Yeah,
I mean aj Styles that has had a better w
W career than Batista.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And I would argue even Cody this point now and.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Dan Ambrose has better w W career than Batista.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Is he's twenty five, yes, he's he's in the twenties.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I agree with you on that Kevin.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Omen has had a better w career than back next
to each other the the So.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
What I will say is because Kevin Owens has been
more consistent because the injuries or lack of injuries is
the argument hid the powers though, But he's has done
more on the top, That's what it.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Is. One of those guys. He's an example of one
of those guys who he was a big deal because
they pushed him as a big deal.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And I think Jeff Hardy is too high also too,
But I think also using the Hardy Boys as argument, assuming.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Jeff Hardy don't feel like you have to be there. Yeah,
and Jeff Hardy is like DMXY.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Funny. I just I just put up a video on
my social media today. I was talking about DMX and I.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Got to replies about that. So like you had to
be there, yes, correct, Yes.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You had to be there, Okay, and so during like
you had to be there for Jeff Hardy's peak. You
can't quantify it.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Now you have to be there.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
The problem is the reason why. The reason why it
stands out for me though, is that I hear you,
but I have a hard time still putting Jeff Hardy
even ahead of two thousands Seawn Michaels, giving the work rate,
the work Shawn Michaels did, even at part time.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I have a hard time putting him head of Cody
Rhodes put in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So yeah, you got to be there, and I get it,
But it's just when you stop putting him against ahead
of guys like those those who have mentioned, it's like, oh,
you gotta be there. But I know those two guys
that I mentioned. Also I've done some really important things too.
Also that not even Jeff Hardy, Keveing, even like Sneeze
(17:04):
at so I'm not mad about it. For the record,
I'm not mad about it.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
But uh yeah, I think the list, like overall, they
have the right guys. The orders just shacked up.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Like number one is perfect, is unquestionably number one the
last five years, that's not even a conversation. But in
the top three is the margin error. I think romans
we had we had a Randy Orton is based on
the high of powers argument. But the top three top
to be honestly, the top three is actually correct takers
to be them A four, them three three and the
(17:37):
four no lower than five.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I'll say that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But uh, Brock, I think the most weakest one is
and just because I'm saying I'm a brock Mark, but
Brock is way too low.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Number twelve, that's way too low in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So Chris Jercho is just way too you know, I
know you were you were, and but he's too high.
Yeah he should be, he should be in the list, yes,
but he should not be five. Yeah, hm, anything else?
That's one you want to pluck out here?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Are you good? No? JB?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well you know why he was run just one year
run And.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Then that's the one problem. It was.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, and so he's.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Kind of the like he had the one one run
of the belt everybody over, and then after he lost
the belt, he was pretty much you know, yeah, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's why it's not his fault spoking no true else
who else on the list that you could you could
mention on here?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Uh No, not not Drew.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I was gonna say Drew mcautarre, but no, that's that's
that's a.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Well Brett Wyatt, he's honorle mentioned.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, pray White.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
You know what should do? We should? We should do
our own Okay, listen a couple of weeks. Okay, do
our top twenty five in order. If you don't do
twenty five when you're twenty, I don't care how you're
gonna do it twenty when you do, do do twenty
five one two?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, I always do what I want to do, this
type of thing. I make like a big ass list
and then you do the.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Fuck you probably you do. You.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I know, you put a lot of like like a
lot of science into it and all this stuff, and
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think it's great. That's what we'll do. Well, Oh
my bad? Uh well, uh, we'll do that. We'll uh,
why is this not working? I'm sorry about that. Yeah,
we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
We'll figure it out. But yeah, I think that's uh.
I think they said the list is fine, but we do,
we do. We'll do twenty five lists sometime next month.
I'm gonna do a whole episode on that, just to
see because I think that's an interesting argument though, I
think interesting argument, you know, and pertaining to this. I
don't know why it's not working. This thing's not in
corporating with me. I don't know, all right, all right,
(20:02):
anyway anything Also, the list one you want to pluck
out all you good?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
No, I think I just not noticed the JBL wasn't there.
But like you said, he had a short run. I
think they covered everybody though, mm hmm. It's like I'm
just trying to think of people they might have. Well,
(20:31):
Shelton Benjamin's not there, but he never got to the top.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I'm trying to find the little guys too also
that might have been on the list.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But the only one that I can consider the bray
wied rbacuitar. That's it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, somebody else is pretty much like you know, and.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Again this is male.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
People say, well male list, male list, okay, and when
we do this we do we do male as well too.
Although if you do female that I'd be interesting though
too because if you do female, you fu a lot
of the Jeff parties and the and the even lost
a meal list anymore, because there are a lot of
(21:10):
females that have done a lot the last ten fifteen years.
So but uh, anyway, one more thing. It's actually being
a simple so today, but we do have a big
Sinna's main event coming up this coming uh Saturday, taking
place at Salt Lake City, Utah at the Elta Center,
home of the Utah Jazz. So far we have four
(21:33):
matches for this show. That's to the first one first
and and for the record, all four matches all championship
matches for the record, that's pretty pretty cool. Actually, first match,
we have a trip match for the w W in
Call Championship between Dominic Masterio Penta Mysterio versus Pensive versus Routsev.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I've been joining as Dominic Russev like cat and mouse things.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, because it's you know, well Russa finally just get
his hands on him and just like squawk him. Eventually mhm.
You know that's that's the big million dollar question.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think it's I think Pens is no shot win
the title, no shot pent So he's he's not even considered,
He's just he's just there to entertain at this point.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yes, And I've said on record.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
That Dominic mystereo is our modern day Honey top Man,
where he's the guy that the cowardly champion that gets
over everything.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But what point does that end? I don't think you
get that right now.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Wouldn't shot like they pull the trigger on rustaf now
at the title now?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Uh be a little shocking, but it would definitely add
some intrigue to the storyline. But I do think Dominic
still comes away as champion, do you think?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah? I think I think yeah. I think he escapes
one more time.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Sure, so is Ruth.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So is Dominic and Roose are still both healing?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Now? They're still what now?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
They're both heels?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Ruth?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, I mean yeah they are. Well. Dominic definitely is
Ruth save is kind of undefined, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, he's just a badass, like Bobby Lastly type kick ass.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah. I see Dominic is just taking this one and
that's simple as hell. All Right, we have the women's
single match for the w W Women's Championship between Tiffany
Stratton and Jay Cargo.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Hey, so Jade is now a heel.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And that's why I like it. That's the way what happened.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Well, she didn't have the personality of your baby face.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Nope, she doesn't know never never bought to the whole
baby face that woman her Naomi and then didn't buy
into it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, she just didn't. I mean, she just she doesn't
have the demeanor of the personality for that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
All RIGHTY told you, I'm I'm I'm over to Tiffany
Stratton title reign. I will say, I will say, though
they're adding some sympathy to her now a little bit
with this Jake angle. But could this be the could
this be the the night they make this switch? You know,
you know they want to do this at some point.
You know they want to do this at some point
(24:29):
it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Well, all right, So Jade may not win the title Saturday.
If she doesn't, then I'm I'm assuming she's gonna get
like this qualified or something if she doesn't win the title.
But if she loses the match, then then what are
(24:52):
we doing?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, Jay kind of affords a match this point, like
Tiffany could lose here and not get hurt at this
point because she's how the belt sold him long.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, I'm.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Gonna call it.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I'm gonna called Jane. I'm an called Jade winning title.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yes, although I do believe that what you're saying is
more a little more probably a little more likely, because
I think this feud has at least a little bit
a lot more legit to it. And do you do
you pull the trigger this soon on it? I don't know,
but you know the company wants to put the title
on Jade, whether she's ready or not.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know that the first is there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, and I think, look, I think, look, it's gonna
be Jade and Wrussell May.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah. Yeah, So give me Jade to win the title
here on this one.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
We have another match here for the undisputed w W
Championship between Cody Rhodes and Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I don't think, well, every title can't change hands. Well, well,
I think Cody wins here. I think yeah, And yeah, look,
I was hoping that Drew with him beating him forward
back at Russell Pal. I thought that a nice little
run with Drew with the belt would have been a
nice change of pace, but I don't think they're doing that.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So I have enjoyed this feud though, I mean that
the whole Drew and Jacobo too feud and all that
and bridge into this one. Cody is out for a
while ferently. Yeah, I mean how many more losses can
Drew take though?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
At this point?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Man, that's the problem. I mean, and I think he,
I mean put his way. I guess this is I
think it's the same situation like with Jade. He doesn't
have to win the title here, but if he just
loses the match again, you know, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I mean, is there a way to for Drew look
look strong again? Why not win the title? I mean,
you could win Drew Drew my d Q or something.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Cody goes, Yeah, as long as he doesn't get just
pinned in the little ring one two three, Yeah, I
mean if that happens, then it's just like, okay, what
are we doing?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah? I agree, I'll go Cody this one this cause,
but I hope they do something because look, do do
we see Cody walk into resuminting of the title still
like last year?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Man, that's the thing. It's just I could see if
if he were to have wanted back, like if he
wanted it back in January, no problem. But if he's
just going to sit on it from now until April.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
And that's the thing too.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Also, where's the thing going? What is the oltimate end
goal for Cody? Are we going to Cody gainst Roman?
Are we going to Cody again against Uh? I don't
I don't know what where where's this going?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I mean, I think the only obvious opponent is Randy
right now.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
So you don't want to face his face? Man, and
see that's well, I.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Mean I think I'm I said, well, it's only obvious
because of their history. The only problem like if you try,
I mean, nobody's gonna do nobody's gonna boo Randy.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So at this point no, because he's like it is
this point now, he's not Danner's career.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You're so if you try to make an angle out
of it where like Randy turning on him or whatever,
I don't think it's gonna take because people are not
gonna do him. Yeah, it's just man. That's why I
hope Drew wins, because I mean, you can have Cody
(28:37):
went back in January or February and going to wrestle
Mania Champion. That's fine. But if he's just gonna sit
on it for five months, then I think you you
will have real fatigue by then.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's that's I'm saying. You took off his hands.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
It opens a creat yeah, because if he sits on
his belt for the next five months, yeah, I think
you know, yeah, then you do. You will have real
fatigue by then, and he might get booed for real
because people just be tired of him.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Fucking I'm going Drew. I'm going Drew this. This is
a problem in a prayer.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Let's go Drew. Yeah, you go go Drew too. Yeah, okay, okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Finally, the last match year it is a singles match
with the vacant World Championship match between seem Punk and
ju Still of course that's the vacant title. Help because
of Seth Rollins' injury real quick, we never have to
touch on that situation. Seth Rowlins. So you know the division,
the you know, Paul Hayman in the company, they turned
on him two weeks ago. Do you like that?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I'm not surprised obviously when, but do you like it?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
No? Because okay, they had to do something because Seth
is a real life injury, right, Okay, But I mean
ultimately this whole thing with the vision wasn't going to
lead to them turning on him. But I just think
it's I think it's too early, and then there wasn't
(30:16):
really an like there's no logic behind it. Really, Yeah,
I'm to do with this. I mean, I know again
that their hand was forced, they had to do something,
but the vision, like they were in a few with
like five different people, mm hmm. You could easily just
had one of them in yourself, whether l A. Knight
(30:37):
or Punk or Roman or Jimmy and j like, you
could have had one of them injured. Yeah, you know,
storyline injured Seth ronins. I mean to me, I think
that's or you could have just played up with you know,
or you could just made the angle, you know what
(30:59):
actual Yeah, right, he got hurt during the match and
then you know with Cody and and had to vacate
the title. He could have just you could have just
played it that way. I think having him turn on
him this soon, and you know, and also you know what,
(31:25):
just the logic isn't there, like when they turned on
him because he ran his mouth too much? Yeah, I
mean like, okay, he was the leader of a faction.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
He's a mouth piece, well him and Hyman both. But
the things to also you have to do right now,
you can just put on a holding pattern while he's
out and whiles and while he's gone, have those two
guys dominate, and then he gets back he can say, oh, well,
while you're gone, bla have been fighting.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There and then breaking up after.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But if I felt too, it's kind of the scene
of thing to also with the heel turned and going
back to face like there's no rong reason this just
did it, even though there's reasons why they did that,
but it was and it makes it make any sense
in the storytelling, right.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
And then also it kind of it puts back again
the lurch now because you know she was basically part
of the group.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, and now like.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
You know, it's kind of dumb for her to keep
going on as a heel right now because you know
her husband got turned on by the by the group,
So that makes him basically that makes him a baby
face by default, and so now you know it kind
of and because you know, she got up in Hayman's face,
but last week and you know and all that, so
(32:46):
now you know, creatively, like do you just ever you
ever keep being a heel?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I mean, I guess the only thing to do with that,
if she's not a heel, you keep you keep away
from them all in general and pretend to one and hope,
hopeful one no one thinks about it, you know what
I'm saying, Like, yeah, I mean you have her not
be involved in a group at all.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yet it was because if she hadn't been involved in
it with the group, it would have been no big deal,
right because she was you know, she'd just been off
doing her own thing, it wouldn't have been no big deal.
But because she was part of the group, basically you
(33:28):
have now you have to because she was fully entrenched
as a heel. So now like you can't just turn
her on a dime, because that doesn't make any sense either, right,
So now you have to come up with some kind
of road for her, you know, to going back to
(33:51):
being a babyface so that when Seth comes back, you
know they'll be together. Whereas you know, if they waited
for Seth to come back and then they turn on him,
well then and then you like you don't have then
that's easy. You don't have to, you know, come up
with a big story for that, you know, because that's
her husband. They turned on him, she's with him, yeah,
(34:13):
but awls like they turned on him and he's not
there to fight back, and she just got out there.
So I think, yeah, I just think it was there
was a wrong choice.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, I agree with him that. I think it's a
it was just rough. I think it was a rush
decision just to kind of you know, he's me out,
you know, haults me out. This kind of just you know,
take off the band aid now why you can and
just call the day. I mean, I get why he
did it. I just I just didn't agree with it.
It felt too because I look, we was gonna happen
to some point no matter what. It does matter when,
(34:51):
But you could have added more intrigued to the story
by just waiting and still do a lot with him
being out while he's still part of the group, and
then use that again and when he gets back into
like hey, why wait where are you gone, We've grown
blah blah blah. And he can like say, well, I'm
the leader out, Well I'm not the leader. Why I'm
the leader announces been gone? And you have that and
have in fighting. That's how you do it. You buy
(35:11):
yourself five six months of TV time for that.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
So I mean that that's where I think they screwed
up there. I think that's something Vince would have. That's
something that Vince would have would have been known to do.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Like he it was put on the shelf because because
when when Seth got hurt before you know, they you know,
they had a tournament, the title m and then they
didn't address you know, they didn't address anything with him
until he got back, right.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So that's that's what his match here, uh jus against
the him punk?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I think I think it's gonna be punk.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Are we? Are we anything closer to a ju? So
heels from there.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It was just just I'm just teasing us here a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I think you're teasing because it wouldn't make sense. Well, okay,
it wouldn't make business sense to do that. And again,
are people going to boo him?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
We get a reading the boom. I mean, I agree
with you with just say in theory, but we do
something Nash really like him, like all of a sudden,
big gym, you know, all of a sudden. Now we're
starting to gain some ground again now, and so the
(36:35):
thought is like, if this would go through, you're not
swapping the heel and face and that angle right before,
you know, his brother was the heel and Jay was
the face, and now we have Jay's is a heel
and Jim is the face.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I don't know. I don't want to be honest with you.
I don't want them to spill the brothers again. I
miss you, I really do.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, mean for me, I don't. I don't do it
either because and what wasn't gonna lead you to them,
because you know they had that WrestleMania mattress was not
very good and terrible. Yeah, And I mean like, do
we want do we really want to do that again?
You know?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I definitely don't, because I mean and so, and that's
the thing. If if Jay turns heel, then that's where
it eventually leads.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Right exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I don't think we want to do that again.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, No, I'll go punk here because Punk's had a
time already once and also.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Well I mean look and he had for five minutes, like.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Literally like literally five minutes.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, so this this is the same. You know, this
is a chance to give him a real title reign
for few months.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
He holds I think he holds the rumble Yeah probably, Yeah,
I think he'll be a lunch from Champion. So I'll
take Punk on this one.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Uh So there you go.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Just an interesting show though, becau. I think these main
events typically are not like they're not They're not PL's obviously,
but something always happens on these shows, something consequence happen
to the show. I feel like we're gonna get obviously
the one talent change. Obviously gonna have the one one
with the vagant title. But I think we're gonna another one,
probably with the but I think I think, to be honestly,
(38:19):
I think I'm really believing Jade won this title on
on Saturday. There's no doubt they want to test this
thing possible.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
So yeah, I don't think one. Yeah, I think you
got because it can work at the point now where
it's like, now, what are we're doing?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I mean, unless they want to. I mean, unless they
want to wait till Survivor series Survivor Series at the
end of November. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
And by the way, when we do a show again
before the Survivors reies, I want to discuss that. Why
is Survivors series so hard?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Two?
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's a book but for.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Some reason for it being a Big four, Big five
p l E through the years has been the one
pushed in the last fifteen twenty years, been the hardest to.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Like book.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But we're discussed down the road because that's something I
want to. I want to, I want you opined it
about because I I never understand why then the name
value launched it to be able to dominate that. But
that's neither here or there. Were discusted down the road.
Anything else want to want to talk about close? Let's see,
(39:28):
because I've been out of the loop, that's gonna I'm
only now catching up one the last like I was,
I counted, I was like.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
A Poe three raws and three smack Dolls behind.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
So now I'm I'm gonna well, Well, this week's episode
of very good and they went heavy on the ring
work this week, which was needed because I mean sometimes
they just do too many of these you know, big long,
you know, monologue kind of promo segments, right, And so
(40:11):
I would tell people definitely, like check out this week's raw,
if you know is getting it was heaving on ring
working the ring was all really good. And yeah, I
mean we watched heat Wave, not heat Wave, Halloween Havoc
last week and it was good. If you're nx T
(40:33):
has really liked it. Out of all of them, NXT
is the easiest one to watch if you're if you're
into it, that's the time for an bro.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
That's the only thing.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I mean, yeah, I just yeah, I'll say if you know,
if you if you if if you're if you're interested
and you have time, that I understand, Like, you know,
if you know that that's asking you a lot too,
you know, ask people to watch NXT on top of
(41:02):
everything else, right, But if you are into NXT, if
you're interested, and you do have time, to me, it's
it's the easiest one of the three to watch.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah. I one day maybe maybe maybe next year, when
things get a little quieter on the supports front, I'll
probably tap into the NXT. I mean again, I the
only eractually, I really truly did love was the the
you know, the Black and Gold era, you know, but
the coal and that to me, it was fun.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
It's much fun.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
But again, once COVID happened, that this kind of killed
all the momentumly had.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
And then and then, honestly, for the once they switched
to you know, calling it XT two point zero for
a while, that was stupid. Well most thing is well,
they rebranded because they were going back to being a
purely developmental.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Show, right, which I understood.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Understood that because as as good as the NXT Black
and Gold was, it wasn't accomplishing its mission. It was
supposed to be developing people for the main roster, and
it wasn't really.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Doing that, was competing it for a while.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Because like I mean, honest because hardly anybody from that
from that like twenty seventeen, twenty twenty one period or
twenty twenty hardly anybody came up didn't amount to anything.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, a lot of failures so or lockdowns, I said,
I fail and.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Then and then and then like guys like Adam Cole
didn't want to come up to the main roster, and
that's other things. So I mean, you had guys who
didn't want to come up to the main roster. The
people who were coming up were not panning out to
the degree that which people kind of hoped they would.
So they had I mean they had to stop and
(43:00):
because because because you know, the stories like Vince actually
went down. I mean, Bruce Pritchet went down there one
day and looked around basically like what the hell is this?
Because I mean, okay, I mean as much, look, yes,
we enjoy watching people like Adam Cole, Russell and like whatnot.
But you know, you put Adam Cole in the ring
(43:22):
with brock Lesner and you know the visual is you.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Know, no way, Yeah, totally on that. Totally grief on
that one. So yeah, one day I'll type back in again.
But I do recognize the talent. There's this amazing but
I don't have the time to fit trying to put
a W. Haven't I'm watched a W anymore? I mean,
like I said, I would like to watch a W
against point at least a little bit, and I'm I've
(43:47):
been on it, you know, just I'm just maxed out
with brain space on a lot of stuff I can
watch anymore, you know, And some.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Point, Yeah, I mean, because there's only something. You know,
we all have only some much time and so much
as far as attention.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
So yeah, too many books to read, so many podcast
listen to, too many pops against That's what. And like
I said, and I do all the ship here too. Also,
I'm just burnt out. So it's like for me, I
barely watch any regular TV. There you go on regular TV.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
I watched a Long.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Order, I watched my wife wants to watch watch with her.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
So so yeah, I don't watch any regular TV except
for the except for Long Order, right, because I mean,
you know, between wrestling and then sports all now and
then I try to keep up with basketball again. You know,
it's just again, just don't have time.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I don't blame, brother, don't blame at all.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
So look, we all got pick and choose, and you
know which, you know which things we're going to devote
our time and attention to.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Mm hmm, absolutely absolutely all right.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Rob, anyone on in your world, what's going on? Any
new podcasting that was going on?
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Well, because I went up to Boston a few weeks
ago and me and Jason went to TNA bound for
glory yep. But I on the way back, I got sick.
I mean it was a bad one, and so I
just you know, for about a couple of weeks, I
just you know, w wasn't up for talking much and
(45:20):
all that, and I was coughing a whole lot and everything,
so off my whole schedule. And so I'm finally back
to normal now. So I have I have a half
finished episode now, finally finished.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, it's cool, man, I know, get in the can soon.
You get in the cans. I don't give you a
shit for that though, but yeah, you get in the
can soon, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
So all right, And the Minus boys are okay, yeah, excellent, excellent,
And of course you can follow me on x at
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(46:05):
which will be even next week or a week after,
we'll obviously try to react to the main event and
other things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
We will talk to you guys too later
Do false count anywhere, a part of the Ernest Speaking
podcasts Iman hosts Ernest E. J. Christian. Recording is actually
a little early than usual on Tuesday, October twenty eighth,
twenty twenty five. Don't mean when, of course on the
show coming on Wednesdays, but you know, things came up.
We have something going on this week. But of course
we do this every single week, well every week, but
(01:24):
as we if we could with our man of course
one third of the monitors. The podcast also hosts of
the Rob the Jenis podcast. It is the Man, the Myth,
the Legend, Rob the Genius with us Rob, what's up brother? Yeah,
I'm going to concert more night. That's why we're doing
course a little earlier.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
This will still drop on it. This will still drop
on the Thursday as planned, but just recording.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
A day earlier than usual because of you know, personal
stuff here going on home.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
But uh, anyway, we.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Haven't we haven't talked about two weeks, two weeks, three weeks,
a few weeks. There's me a few weeks and we
did say the like, you know, football season especially right now,
went World Series, NBA's back college walls. We're not going
on NFL it's peak time for me in sports, and
there's so much content going out sometimes resting suffers, you
(02:11):
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But I gotta say not going on here.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But we're gonna preview the ten Many event comeing up
this coming Saturday, UH in Salt Lake City. But before
we get to that, Before we get to that, I
want to discuss something that Bees Report did this past UH.
I want to say two weeks ago, maybe a week ago,
that we want to react to. It was their top
twenty five mail wws of the last twenty five years.
(02:41):
I'll run through the list real quick, just to kind
of get an idea. So twenty five was Kobe Kingston
twenty four, Booker t twenty three, Kevin Owens twenty two,
Dean Ambrose twenty one, Cody Rhodes twenty, Stow Co, Steve
Boston nineteen, AJ Styles eighteen, Bautista seventeen, Shawn Michaels sixteen,
Jeff Party fifteen, Eddy Guerrero fourteen, CM Punk thirteen, Triple
(03:03):
H twelve, Rock Lessner eleven, Edge ten, Daniel Bryan Number nine,
The Rock eight, seth Rond seven, kurd Angle six to
Undertaker five, Chris Jericho four Ravens Stereo, three Roman Reigns,
two ren ne Yorton and one John Cena. Now, I
have no problem number one for the record, no problem
with that. He is by far in the last quarter century,
(03:26):
the biggest start in the company of those years. I
know we're gonna say, well, what rock Holston Austin's pushed
to the top was in the nineties, Yes, exactly the rock.
You can argue the same thing too also, but after
it passed number one and maybe number two, I guess
see number two? Why Orton number two? But after that
(03:48):
this list is all fucked up. I feel like this
listen like a bunch of people, people who have the
people put their favorites on the list here as opposed
to what is impactful.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
What makes sense, and what's what stands out?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
What stand up for you?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And we're wreck to what's down for you?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Chris Jericho and Ring Mystereo have the undertakers ingregious?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Now can I argue not saying that?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Just crazy? Because I do greevy on that Taker's best
What is Taker's best run though in the nineties, right,
would you agree?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
No? It was? It was because I mean the streak
matches didn't get good until the two thousands. I mean
the street matches, most of the street matches during the
nineties were not very good, and.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
He was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Probably like a bottom five WrestleMania main event against Psycho said,
oh that's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, at bottom five, but maybe I guess Madine events.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah maybe, yeah, Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
We got to know what one we should do one day.
One day, we do one day next year the main
event season, we'll do like a top five worst main
event rest made events ever at the worst, the bottom five.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That one's up there.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, wasn't a good match. I agree with that. I
agree on that one, but go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I mean then during the nineties he also he got
stuck with a bunch of stiffs. He got stuck with
Giant Gonzalas and you know, washed up King Kong Bundy,
and you know he had a casket managers like Mabel
I think, you know, I mean, the nineties were not
good to the Undertaker.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, if you look at WrestleMania, I I agree,
but in terms of storytelling and the character and what
got him over and sustaining all that, I mean, look,
I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Lie to you a lot of is biased too, because
I watched.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
More of his work in the nineties I did in
two thousands, because I was checked out by two thousand
and two. Obviously, High to Power is his best matches,
his most iconic matches are definitely then in the two
thousands and even beyond that. But in terms of the
work he did overall, not just in ring but character,
I can make the argument it's closer to a wash now.
(06:10):
Having said that, I will concede this work great, what
mine work great wise, No question in two thousands, because
there's some things there, but with Brock, not just not
that's the streak stuff, but in two thousand and two
match what the Brock, but lesbian Hill in the cell,
his matches with obviously with Sean and Daney, but it's
also a lot of really good things that orton at
(06:31):
five and all this stuff. I would argue, yes, in
terms of the whole package, maybe two thousands of better
than nineties, But I think the character of what made
him who he was, it's hard ignored the nineties also
too in his case anyway.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Sure, but remember now I remember, and he was a
big deal for twenty years of little twenty five Jericho
was not, and neither was Ray so.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Hm hmm, yeah, yeah, I think Orton is slightly too high.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I think Roman is.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think Orton Orton is a longevity pick because because.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Orton, let me say this, Orton should be top five.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yes, he talk five, but at this point, what Roman
did his last five years, it's more of Orton's on
his tire career.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
W what Roman has done on this half, and Romans
had one for that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Alone, and Randy Orton was never the unquestioned number one guy.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Correct roman Is. I agree river Service is too high,
Jericho is too high. Takers to takers to take us
too low. I take us to be top five. I agree,
go ahead. Anything else that stands out to you here.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Kra Angle, I say it's too high because he was
going after two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I agree with you on that one as well. And
that's what I as well.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yep, I mean, and you argue his I mean a
lot of his best work on the TNA.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
True.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So so yeah, k angles do high. I think problems
should be a head of ker angle for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Easily, yeah, easily, or angle angle should not do I
I can that current angle should not even be in
the top twenty because if look the list of the
list here people that they obviously view long Jemy's the
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thing well or Angle had six years in the company. Yeah,
so what are we doing because I would take even
the rock what he did in two thousands, but the
absence didn't come back over Angle.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Brian was ever for ten years.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Bro, I can I can find you this list alone
here to the follow guys put Angle right now in
the twenty five years. But seth the rock brock Lessner, Uh,
I can argued.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Edge No to me, it's not even an argument Edge
one two, There you.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Go, There you go, triple h. I put I put
ahead of a of cred Angle in two thousands. Punk
is debatable. Shawn Michaels could be debatable. I mean Michaels
was a part time pretty much two thousand. Problem at
(09:43):
this point, I I you almost commit a case of Cody.
So that's eight guys have mentioned there, seven guys mentioned
her that can go easy or an Angle that it's
not me shooting on Angle for a record because I
love kord.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Angle at this point.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
He beat John Ceenland at SummerSlam World chap after like
six months and.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Again, what hurts Angle here is not because he's not great.
Angle's fantastic. What hurts Angle is the lack of longevity
in the company. He was only here for six years
of the twenty five. That's that's that's hurt him.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Argument.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I mean, you make an argument for Diana Ambrose.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, I mean, yeah, it's very It's the very
reason why Stokes sebasts is the number twenty and the
higher because of the again, his assent was was was
in the nineties and then he only has three years.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, I mean, and one of those years and one
of those hues that he's injured. Actually, yeah, Austin was
a weird case because during any one of those years
he was there, i mean, during his big run, he.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Was the number one guy, unquestion, number one two.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, but it's just it was only it was a
couple of years at the very end in the nineties,
and then a couple of years very beginning of the
two thousands, and it's just so many other guys just
you know, have longer runs. But his peak is you know,
(11:19):
his peak is Hogan Bruno level, you know, but it's
still it was just it was short.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And he's still arguing and he's still people say arguably.
I say, I think it's unarguable. At this point he
is probably still to this day the superstar and history
of the company to this day hid the powers.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah. And then also, I mean, like Hogan had Rocky three,
you know, coming off of Rocky three, and he had
a so his name was already out there like that,
you know, with the general public, Like Austin that was
all him man, yeah, you know, and he was a
(12:07):
mid card guy from w c W. And I mean
he was really he was a really damn good one.
But still, you know, the mid card guy from w
c W coming over there and becoming the biggest star
in the home industry. That is nobody called that.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
No, no, no, I I think Austin is. I think
they have that correct. But I do think that, yeah,
that correct for me with stands out here as I look,
I think Randy's slightly too high by my arguing that one.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I think four through four and five are.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Way too high. Seven is too high. Seth Roninds actually
is probably too low to this point at this point.
Now it's seth Ronalds top five. That's arguable. But in
case either way, Brown that's what should be much higher
he is, I think brought I think, to be honest
with you, I think Brock is the biggest, most agreedious
one at all, because.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yes he missed.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Two thousand and five through twenty eleven, yes, but the
impact in twousand thousand and four and the impact twelve
beyond supersts all that stuff, you know, is the guy
to beat the streak, is the guy that was, you know,
the next this thing. He should be top ten. Easy,
(13:30):
to be honest with you, I think he'd be over
to Rock if you if you have a conversation about
that man the targrapher that.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, because I mean, well Rock is in the same
boat as Austin really, except I don't put Rock ahead
of Austin because because rockhead to you know, the comeback later.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Oh of course, yeah, well question, Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I agree with that. From said anything else stood out
to me. Guerrero's fine, Like that was like, I don't
people love him? I don't know if I put him
out of Shaw Michaels though still even in two thousands,
But again, Greer was a full timer in those five years.
He was he was here and he was doing everything
for the company. Batista's too high eighteen Yeah, yeah, he
(14:20):
was injured a lot mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
His run at the top wasn't I mean as a
level guy was It was from like two thousand and
five to twenty ten, and then he was in and
he missed a lot of time during those five years. Yeah,
I mean aj Styles that has had a better w
W career than Batista.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And I would argue even Cody this point now and.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Dan Ambrose has better w W career than Batista.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Is he's twenty five, yes, he's he's in the twenties.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I agree with you on that Kevin.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Omen has had a better w career than back next
to each other the the So.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
What I will say is because Kevin Owens has been
more consistent because the injuries or lack of injuries is
the argument hid the powers though, But he's has done
more on the top, That's what it.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Is. One of those guys. He's an example of one
of those guys who he was a big deal because
they pushed him as a big deal.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And I think Jeff Hardy is too high also too,
But I think also using the Hardy Boys as argument, assuming.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Jeff Hardy don't feel like you have to be there. Yeah,
and Jeff Hardy is like DMXY.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Funny. I just I just put up a video on
my social media today. I was talking about DMX and I.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Got to replies about that. So like you had to
be there, yes, correct, Yes.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You had to be there, Okay, and so during like
you had to be there for Jeff Hardy's peak. You
can't quantify it.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Now you have to be there.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
The problem is the reason why. The reason why it
stands out for me though, is that I hear you,
but I have a hard time still putting Jeff Hardy
even ahead of two thousands Seawn Michaels, giving the work rate,
the work Shawn Michaels did, even at part time.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I have a hard time putting him head of Cody
Rhodes put in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So yeah, you got to be there, and I get it,
But it's just when you stop putting him against ahead
of guys like those those who have mentioned, it's like, oh,
you gotta be there. But I know those two guys
that I mentioned. Also I've done some really important things too.
Also that not even Jeff Hardy, Keveing, even like Sneeze
(17:04):
at so I'm not mad about it. For the record,
I'm not mad about it.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
But uh yeah, I think the list, like overall, they
have the right guys. The orders just shacked up.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Like number one is perfect, is unquestionably number one the
last five years, that's not even a conversation. But in
the top three is the margin error. I think romans
we had we had a Randy Orton is based on
the high of powers argument. But the top three top
to be honestly, the top three is actually correct takers
to be them A four, them three three and the
(17:37):
four no lower than five.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I'll say that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But uh, Brock, I think the most weakest one is
and just because I'm saying I'm a brock Mark, but
Brock is way too low.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Number twelve, that's way too low in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So Chris Jercho is just way too you know, I
know you were you were, and but he's too high.
Yeah he should be, he should be in the list, yes,
but he should not be five. Yeah, hm, anything else?
That's one you want to pluck out here?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Are you good? No? JB?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well you know why he was run just one year
run And.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Then that's the one problem. It was.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, and so he's.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Kind of the like he had the one one run
of the belt everybody over, and then after he lost
the belt, he was pretty much you know, yeah, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's why it's not his fault spoking no true else
who else on the list that you could you could
mention on here?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Uh No, not not Drew.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I was gonna say Drew mcautarre, but no, that's that's
that's a.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Well Brett Wyatt, he's honorle mentioned.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, pray White.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
You know what should do? We should? We should do
our own Okay, listen a couple of weeks. Okay, do
our top twenty five in order. If you don't do
twenty five when you're twenty, I don't care how you're
gonna do it twenty when you do, do do twenty
five one two?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, I always do what I want to do, this
type of thing. I make like a big ass list
and then you do the.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Fuck you probably you do. You.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I know, you put a lot of like like a
lot of science into it and all this stuff, and
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think it's great. That's what we'll do. Well, Oh
my bad? Uh well, uh, we'll do that. We'll uh,
why is this not working? I'm sorry about that. Yeah,
we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
We'll figure it out. But yeah, I think that's uh.
I think they said the list is fine, but we do,
we do. We'll do twenty five lists sometime next month.
I'm gonna do a whole episode on that, just to
see because I think that's an interesting argument though, I
think interesting argument, you know, and pertaining to this. I
don't know why it's not working. This thing's not in
corporating with me. I don't know, all right, all right,
(20:02):
anyway anything Also, the list one you want to pluck
out all you good?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
No, I think I just not noticed the JBL wasn't there.
But like you said, he had a short run. I
think they covered everybody though, mm hmm. It's like I'm
just trying to think of people they might have. Well,
(20:31):
Shelton Benjamin's not there, but he never got to the top.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I'm trying to find the little guys too also
that might have been on the list.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But the only one that I can consider the bray
wied rbacuitar. That's it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, somebody else is pretty much like you know, and.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Again this is male.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
People say, well male list, male list, okay, and when
we do this we do we do male as well too.
Although if you do female that I'd be interesting though
too because if you do female, you fu a lot
of the Jeff parties and the and the even lost
a meal list anymore, because there are a lot of
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females that have done a lot the last ten fifteen years.
So but uh, anyway, one more thing. It's actually being
a simple so today, but we do have a big
Sinna's main event coming up this coming uh Saturday, taking
place at Salt Lake City, Utah at the Elta Center,
home of the Utah Jazz. So far we have four
(21:33):
matches for this show. That's to the first one first
and and for the record, all four matches all championship
matches for the record, that's pretty pretty cool. Actually, first match,
we have a trip match for the w W in
Call Championship between Dominic Masterio Penta Mysterio versus Pensive versus Routsev.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I've been joining as Dominic Russev like cat and mouse things.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, because it's you know, well Russa finally just get
his hands on him and just like squawk him. Eventually mhm.
You know that's that's the big million dollar question.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think it's I think Pens is no shot win
the title, no shot pent So he's he's not even considered,
He's just he's just there to entertain at this point.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yes, And I've said on record.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
That Dominic mystereo is our modern day Honey top Man,
where he's the guy that the cowardly champion that gets
over everything.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But what point does that end? I don't think you
get that right now.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Wouldn't shot like they pull the trigger on rustaf now
at the title now?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Uh be a little shocking, but it would definitely add
some intrigue to the storyline. But I do think Dominic
still comes away as champion, do you think?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah? I think I think yeah. I think he escapes
one more time.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Sure, so is Ruth.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So is Dominic and Roose are still both healing?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Now? They're still what now?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
They're both heels?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Ruth?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, I mean yeah they are. Well. Dominic definitely is
Ruth save is kind of undefined, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, he's just a badass, like Bobby Lastly type kick ass.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah. I see Dominic is just taking this one and
that's simple as hell. All Right, we have the women's
single match for the w W Women's Championship between Tiffany
Stratton and Jay Cargo.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Hey, so Jade is now a heel.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And that's why I like it. That's the way what happened.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Well, she didn't have the personality of your baby face.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Nope, she doesn't know never never bought to the whole
baby face that woman her Naomi and then didn't buy
into it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, she just didn't. I mean, she just she doesn't
have the demeanor of the personality for that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
All RIGHTY told you, I'm I'm I'm over to Tiffany
Stratton title reign. I will say, I will say, though
they're adding some sympathy to her now a little bit
with this Jake angle. But could this be the could
this be the the night they make this switch? You know,
you know they want to do this at some point.
You know they want to do this at some point
(24:29):
it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Well, all right, So Jade may not win the title Saturday.
If she doesn't, then I'm I'm assuming she's gonna get
like this qualified or something if she doesn't win the title.
But if she loses the match, then then what are
(24:52):
we doing?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, Jay kind of affords a match this point, like
Tiffany could lose here and not get hurt at this
point because she's how the belt sold him long.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, I'm.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Gonna call it.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I'm gonna called Jane. I'm an called Jade winning title.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yes, although I do believe that what you're saying is
more a little more probably a little more likely, because
I think this feud has at least a little bit
a lot more legit to it. And do you do
you pull the trigger this soon on it? I don't know,
but you know the company wants to put the title
on Jade, whether she's ready or not.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
You know that the first is there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, and I think, look, I think, look, it's gonna
be Jade and Wrussell May.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah. Yeah, So give me Jade to win the title
here on this one.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
We have another match here for the undisputed w W
Championship between Cody Rhodes and Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I don't think, well, every title can't change hands. Well, well,
I think Cody wins here. I think yeah, And yeah, look,
I was hoping that Drew with him beating him forward
back at Russell Pal. I thought that a nice little
run with Drew with the belt would have been a
nice change of pace, but I don't think they're doing that.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So I have enjoyed this feud though, I mean that
the whole Drew and Jacobo too feud and all that
and bridge into this one. Cody is out for a
while ferently. Yeah, I mean how many more losses can
Drew take though?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
At this point?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Man, that's the problem. I mean, and I think he,
I mean put his way. I guess this is I
think it's the same situation like with Jade. He doesn't
have to win the title here, but if he just
loses the match again, you know, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I mean, is there a way to for Drew look
look strong again? Why not win the title? I mean,
you could win Drew Drew my d Q or something.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Cody goes, Yeah, as long as he doesn't get just
pinned in the little ring one two three, Yeah, I
mean if that happens, then it's just like, okay, what
are we doing?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah? I agree, I'll go Cody this one this cause,
but I hope they do something because look, do do
we see Cody walk into resuminting of the title still
like last year?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Man, that's the thing. It's just I could see if
if he were to have wanted back, like if he
wanted it back in January, no problem. But if he's
just going to sit on it from now until April.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
And that's the thing too.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Also, where's the thing going? What is the oltimate end
goal for Cody? Are we going to Cody gainst Roman?
Are we going to Cody again against Uh? I don't
I don't know what where where's this going?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I mean, I think the only obvious opponent is Randy
right now.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
So you don't want to face his face? Man, and
see that's well, I.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Mean I think I'm I said, well, it's only obvious
because of their history. The only problem like if you try,
I mean, nobody's gonna do nobody's gonna boo Randy.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So at this point no, because he's like it is
this point now, he's not Danner's career.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You're so if you try to make an angle out
of it where like Randy turning on him or whatever,
I don't think it's gonna take because people are not
gonna do him. Yeah, it's just man. That's why I
hope Drew wins, because I mean, you can have Cody
(28:37):
went back in January or February and going to wrestle
Mania Champion. That's fine. But if he's just gonna sit
on it for five months, then I think you you
will have real fatigue by then.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's that's I'm saying. You took off his hands.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
It opens a creat yeah, because if he sits on
his belt for the next five months, yeah, I think
you know, yeah, then you do. You will have real
fatigue by then, and he might get booed for real
because people just be tired of him.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Fucking I'm going Drew. I'm going Drew this. This is
a problem in a prayer.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Let's go Drew. Yeah, you go go Drew too. Yeah, okay, okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Finally, the last match year it is a singles match
with the vacant World Championship match between seem Punk and
ju Still of course that's the vacant title. Help because
of Seth Rollins' injury real quick, we never have to
touch on that situation. Seth Rowlins. So you know the division,
the you know, Paul Hayman in the company, they turned
on him two weeks ago. Do you like that?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I'm not surprised obviously when, but do you like it?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
No? Because okay, they had to do something because Seth
is a real life injury, right, Okay, But I mean
ultimately this whole thing with the vision wasn't going to
lead to them turning on him. But I just think
it's I think it's too early, and then there wasn't
(30:16):
really an like there's no logic behind it. Really, Yeah,
I'm to do with this. I mean, I know again
that their hand was forced, they had to do something,
but the vision, like they were in a few with
like five different people, mm hmm. You could easily just
had one of them in yourself, whether l A. Knight
(30:37):
or Punk or Roman or Jimmy and j like, you
could have had one of them injured. Yeah, you know,
storyline injured Seth ronins. I mean to me, I think
that's or you could have just played up with you know,
or you could just made the angle, you know what
(30:59):
actual Yeah, right, he got hurt during the match and
then you know with Cody and and had to vacate
the title. He could have just you could have just
played it that way. I think having him turn on
him this soon, and you know, and also you know what,
(31:25):
just the logic isn't there, like when they turned on
him because he ran his mouth too much? Yeah, I
mean like, okay, he was the leader of a faction.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
He's a mouth piece, well him and Hyman both. But
the things to also you have to do right now,
you can just put on a holding pattern while he's
out and whiles and while he's gone, have those two
guys dominate, and then he gets back he can say, oh, well,
while you're gone, bla have been fighting.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
There and then breaking up after.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
But if I felt too, it's kind of the scene
of thing to also with the heel turned and going
back to face like there's no rong reason this just
did it, even though there's reasons why they did that,
but it was and it makes it make any sense
in the storytelling, right.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
And then also it kind of it puts back again
the lurch now because you know she was basically part
of the group.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, and now like.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
You know, it's kind of dumb for her to keep
going on as a heel right now because you know
her husband got turned on by the by the group,
So that makes him basically that makes him a baby
face by default, and so now you know it kind
of and because you know, she got up in Hayman's face,
but last week and you know and all that, so
(32:46):
now you know, creatively, like do you just ever you
ever keep being a heel?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I mean, I guess the only thing to do with that,
if she's not a heel, you keep you keep away
from them all in general and pretend to one and hope,
hopeful one no one thinks about it, you know what
I'm saying, Like, yeah, I mean you have her not
be involved in a group at all.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yet it was because if she hadn't been involved in
it with the group, it would have been no big deal,
right because she was you know, she'd just been off
doing her own thing, it wouldn't have been no big deal.
But because she was part of the group, basically you
(33:28):
have now you have to because she was fully entrenched
as a heel. So now like you can't just turn
her on a dime, because that doesn't make any sense either, right,
So now you have to come up with some kind
of road for her, you know, to going back to
(33:51):
being a babyface so that when Seth comes back, you
know they'll be together. Whereas you know, if they waited
for Seth to come back and then they turn on him,
well then and then you like you don't have then
that's easy. You don't have to, you know, come up
with a big story for that, you know, because that's
her husband. They turned on him, she's with him, yeah,
(34:13):
but awls like they turned on him and he's not
there to fight back, and she just got out there.
So I think, yeah, I just think it was there
was a wrong choice.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, I agree with him that. I think it's a
it was just rough. I think it was a rush
decision just to kind of you know, he's me out,
you know, haults me out. This kind of just you know,
take off the band aid now why you can and
just call the day. I mean, I get why he
did it. I just I just didn't agree with it.
It felt too because I look, we was gonna happen
to some point no matter what. It does matter when,
(34:51):
But you could have added more intrigued to the story
by just waiting and still do a lot with him
being out while he's still part of the group, and
then use that again and when he gets back into
like hey, why wait where are you gone, We've grown
blah blah blah. And he can like say, well, I'm
the leader out, Well I'm not the leader. Why I'm
the leader announces been gone? And you have that and
have in fighting. That's how you do it. You buy
(35:11):
yourself five six months of TV time for that.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
So I mean that that's where I think they screwed
up there. I think that's something Vince would have. That's
something that Vince would have would have been known to do.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Like he it was put on the shelf because because
when when Seth got hurt before you know, they you know,
they had a tournament, the title m and then they
didn't address you know, they didn't address anything with him
until he got back, right.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So that's that's what his match here, uh jus against
the him punk?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I think I think it's gonna be punk.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Are we? Are we anything closer to a ju? So
heels from there.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It was just just I'm just teasing us here a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I think you're teasing because it wouldn't make sense. Well, okay,
it wouldn't make business sense to do that. And again,
are people going to boo him?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
We get a reading the boom. I mean, I agree
with you with just say in theory, but we do
something Nash really like him, like all of a sudden,
big gym, you know, all of a sudden. Now we're
starting to gain some ground again now, and so the
(36:35):
thought is like, if this would go through, you're not
swapping the heel and face and that angle right before,
you know, his brother was the heel and Jay was
the face, and now we have Jay's is a heel
and Jim is the face.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I don't know. I don't want to be honest with you.
I don't want them to spill the brothers again. I
miss you, I really do.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, mean for me, I don't. I don't do it
either because and what wasn't gonna lead you to them,
because you know they had that WrestleMania mattress was not
very good and terrible. Yeah, And I mean like, do
we want do we really want to do that again?
You know?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I definitely don't, because I mean and so, and that's
the thing. If if Jay turns heel, then that's where
it eventually leads.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Right exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I don't think we want to do that again.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, No, I'll go punk here because Punk's had a
time already once and also.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Well I mean look and he had for five minutes, like.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Literally like literally five minutes.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, so this this is the same. You know, this
is a chance to give him a real title reign
for few months.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
He holds I think he holds the rumble Yeah probably, Yeah,
I think he'll be a lunch from Champion. So I'll
take Punk on this one.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Uh So there you go.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Just an interesting show though, becau. I think these main
events typically are not like they're not They're not PL's obviously,
but something always happens on these shows, something consequence happen
to the show. I feel like we're gonna get obviously
the one talent change. Obviously gonna have the one one
with the vagant title. But I think we're gonna another one,
probably with the but I think I think, to be honestly,
(38:19):
I think I'm really believing Jade won this title on
on Saturday. There's no doubt they want to test this
thing possible.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
So yeah, I don't think one. Yeah, I think you
got because it can work at the point now where
it's like, now, what are we're doing?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I mean, unless they want to. I mean, unless they
want to wait till Survivor series Survivor Series at the
end of November. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
And by the way, when we do a show again
before the Survivors reies, I want to discuss that. Why
is Survivors series so hard?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Two?
Speaker 2 (38:53):
That's a book but for.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Some reason for it being a Big four, Big five
p l E through the years has been the one
pushed in the last fifteen twenty years, been the hardest to.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Like book.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
But we're discussed down the road because that's something I
want to. I want to, I want you opined it
about because I I never understand why then the name
value launched it to be able to dominate that. But
that's neither here or there. Were discusted down the road.
Anything else want to want to talk about close? Let's see,
(39:28):
because I've been out of the loop, that's gonna I'm
only now catching up one the last like I was,
I counted, I was like.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
A Poe three raws and three smack Dolls behind.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
So now I'm I'm gonna well, Well, this week's episode
of very good and they went heavy on the ring
work this week, which was needed because I mean sometimes
they just do too many of these you know, big long,
you know, monologue kind of promo segments, right, And so
(40:11):
I would tell people definitely, like check out this week's raw,
if you know is getting it was heaving on ring
working the ring was all really good. And yeah, I
mean we watched heat Wave, not heat Wave, Halloween Havoc
last week and it was good. If you're nx T
(40:33):
has really liked it. Out of all of them, NXT
is the easiest one to watch if you're if you're
into it, that's the time for an bro.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
That's the only thing.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I mean, yeah, I just yeah, I'll say if you know,
if you if you if if you're if you're interested
and you have time, that I understand, Like, you know,
if you know that that's asking you a lot too,
you know, ask people to watch NXT on top of
(41:02):
everything else, right, But if you are into NXT, if
you're interested, and you do have time, to me, it's
it's the easiest one of the three to watch.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah. I one day maybe maybe maybe next year, when
things get a little quieter on the supports front, I'll
probably tap into the NXT. I mean again, I the
only eractually, I really truly did love was the the
you know, the Black and Gold era, you know, but
the coal and that to me, it was fun.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
It's much fun.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
But again, once COVID happened, that this kind of killed
all the momentumly had.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
And then and then, honestly, for the once they switched
to you know, calling it XT two point zero for
a while, that was stupid. Well most thing is well,
they rebranded because they were going back to being a
purely developmental.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Show, right, which I understood.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Understood that because as as good as the NXT Black
and Gold was, it wasn't accomplishing its mission. It was
supposed to be developing people for the main roster, and
it wasn't really.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Doing that, was competing it for a while.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Because like I mean, honest because hardly anybody from that
from that like twenty seventeen, twenty twenty one period or
twenty twenty hardly anybody came up didn't amount to anything.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, a lot of failures so or lockdowns, I said,
I fail and.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Then and then and then like guys like Adam Cole
didn't want to come up to the main roster, and
that's other things. So I mean, you had guys who
didn't want to come up to the main roster. The
people who were coming up were not panning out to
the degree that which people kind of hoped they would.
So they had I mean they had to stop and
(43:00):
because because because you know, the stories like Vince actually
went down. I mean, Bruce Pritchet went down there one
day and looked around basically like what the hell is this?
Because I mean, okay, I mean as much, look, yes,
we enjoy watching people like Adam Cole, Russell and like whatnot.
But you know, you put Adam Cole in the ring
(43:22):
with brock Lesner and you know the visual is you.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Know, no way, Yeah, totally on that. Totally grief on
that one. So yeah, one day I'll type back in again.
But I do recognize the talent. There's this amazing but
I don't have the time to fit trying to put
a W. Haven't I'm watched a W anymore? I mean,
like I said, I would like to watch a W
against point at least a little bit, and I'm I've
(43:47):
been on it, you know, just I'm just maxed out
with brain space on a lot of stuff I can
watch anymore, you know, And some.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Point, Yeah, I mean, because there's only something. You know,
we all have only some much time and so much
as far as attention.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
So yeah, too many books to read, so many podcast
listen to, too many pops against That's what. And like
I said, and I do all the ship here too. Also,
I'm just burnt out. So it's like for me, I
barely watch any regular TV. There you go on regular TV.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
I watched a Long.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Order, I watched my wife wants to watch watch with her.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
So so yeah, I don't watch any regular TV except
for the except for Long Order, right, because I mean,
you know, between wrestling and then sports all now and
then I try to keep up with basketball again. You know,
it's just again, just don't have time.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I don't blame, brother, don't blame at all.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
So look, we all got pick and choose, and you
know which, you know which things we're going to devote
our time and attention to.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Mm hmm, absolutely absolutely all right.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Rob, anyone on in your world, what's going on? Any
new podcasting that was going on?
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Well, because I went up to Boston a few weeks
ago and me and Jason went to TNA bound for
glory yep. But I on the way back, I got sick.
I mean it was a bad one, and so I
just you know, for about a couple of weeks, I
just you know, w wasn't up for talking much and
(45:20):
all that, and I was coughing a whole lot and everything,
so off my whole schedule. And so I'm finally back
to normal now. So I have I have a half
finished episode now, finally finished.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, it's cool, man, I know, get in the can soon.
You get in the cans. I don't give you a
shit for that though, but yeah, you get in the
can soon, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
So all right, And the Minus boys are okay, yeah, excellent, excellent,
And of course you can follow me on x at
e J. Christian Seven Falls Count anywhere, product of the
nanty of podcast. Of course, subscribe on any podcast catcher,
especially on YouTube, arned pep pond on YouTube, on TikTok
as well to on TikTok as well. Until the next episode,
(46:05):
which will be even next week or a week after,
we'll obviously try to react to the main event and
other things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
We will talk to you guys too later
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