The Student Of The Game Report

Earnest ‘EJ’ Christian and Kyle Nash aka. The Student Of The Game discuss Brian Kelly dismissal at LSU, the national title picture with a month to go, whether they’re sold on the Colts and Patriots, the CJ Stroud bounce back, Cam Newton and much more!


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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Earnestly speaking, leave it e like a first of your podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh my god, two weeks in a row sticking report,
col Efan. Nobody was more surprised than me. How I
would stoop myself this low? Two weeks I'm kdding. I'm
getting joking aside. It's nice to have the day job
under control, a little bit to do the thing, and.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
I'm really, I'm really uh, I'm glad. It's good for
you though.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
On that.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I remember for a while last year, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
To work for anybody, it's tough ship.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
No, absolutely, man, and it really fucked with you, you know,
even off off air, you know. I mean, I'm not
personal here, but you know, show I get it. That's right, baby,
you don't. You don't be rolling this fucking broke. Come on,
we gotta have to get to the show man. I'm
really glad we're doing this. I think next week we'll
do what midterms of course.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, so look, you're supposed to do it in week
nine because then everybody has had eight games.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
So you're saying after the week nine, not going into
week nine, you're saying, correct, right, That's why the last
couple of years it's eight on one side, eight on
the other.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Nine is directly in the middle.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Right exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
So looking forward, looking forward to that, we've got lots
of talk off saying the show obviously lot in the NFL,
what a wacky year.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
I mean, this this week still has that.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Really this week to me, honestly, if you're if you're
confused about who are there, who's the com who's the favorites.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
To do whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
This week didn't really help anything. It has made the
conversation more kerkfuddled. Want to use that.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
You could? I have never heard of a past part
of part of simple for kerfluffle, But here we are.
But it tells you where we're at in the NFL.
So what ship is drunk?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
All?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, touch all that ship. Let's start Collins first, though,
that's not what the big The big news with the
weekend Brian Kelly l SU fired fired by the team
after their loss six a m. Embarrassing loss six a
m on on Saturday nights, which again, no one's shocked
by this really because that.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
It's really a season like this. To me, it's I'll
put it this way, and I know that you know,
famed Brian Kelly not hater air quotes Jimney's of the
Huddle Up podcast. We did records and accomplishments compared to predecessors,

(03:26):
Les Miles, at ojeron Nick Saban, which by a way,
not exactly a list of pansies as coaches goes No,
and I think he was. He was the only one
on the list without forty wins, but he was thirty
four and fourteen and hadn't made a playoff for or
gotten a championship. And I know there are some organizations

(03:49):
out there that wouldn't murder for thirty four and fourteen
right now, Okay, But when LSU has the history that
it does, the family become for lack of a better world,
as entitled as it is, the standards are just a
bit higher. And I was talking with Mark Moses of
the Mark Moses Show. He was saying that it was

(04:12):
a bad move for him, and I think with the
benefit of hindsight, you can say that, but I will
always respect for all. Come on, he jay for all
the trash I talk about, how the eases schedule for
Notre Dame, how much trash I talk on how the
ACC is dying and all this other stuff. To watch
a coach as Brian Kelly did seek out the SEC

(04:35):
and challenge himself potentially or not, I have nothing but
respect for And he's still, at the end of the day,
is the only Notre Dame coach with four ten win
consecutive ten win seasons. So you know, people are gonna
crap on him, and that's fine, but I think that
has more to do with his personal demeanor than a day.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
True, But do you think the.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Firing, given what he's done through and a half years there,
was justified in your opinion.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
My opinion doesn't matter. I mean, I don't think it is,
but my opinion doesn't matter anymore. That's what the alumnus,
or more correctly, the boosters of this programs this season
have shown us. Okay, we aren't a meritocracy where how
you say an economic boosocracy?

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Autocracy?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, no, but it's driven by cash and we and
the reason why I'm leaving it, I'm leaving it more.
It's more kind of an in house a regional oligarchy,
if you will, Meaning for those who don't know what
an oligarchy is, it is limited to a few individuals
making the decisions. Right, and now it's the boosters. But
if they ever get to the point where they're taking

(05:50):
corporate investment in money, it's a whole other question, right,
And that talk has been out there. We know that
conferences have been kicking the tires for corporate investment for
I don't want to say entrepreneur, but you know outside
capitalist or capital groups getting involved venture capital, that's the
word I'm looking for, getting involved in those those sorts

(06:11):
of things. So a GM keeping his job, dishing out
one hundred and thirty million Hold on one hundred and
thirty million dollars, right, I don't have my soundboard, otherwise
I would have played that. But no, I that's the

(06:34):
state of the art right now, whether you like it
or not.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, and it has things to also, you know, we
say entitled, but yet the last three coaches that coached
there all want one of Natty.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Dron you know, and Ordron Nick Saban and uh was
it my guy? He's my my, let my let my
team now, dude, Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
No, sorry, Who's who's that one before before uh after
saving before miles?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Right, that's right, it's gass right, it's gass boom done.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
There you go. Sorry, I even said my earlier breaking
it all down.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Okay, you have to understand I've been awake since like
three in the morning watching this. I just my bad.
Oh that too, that too, that too?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
No no no, no, no, no for real, I did
that too also, And I think that kept me awake actually,
be honestly, because because I listen with one now, somebody
as somebody, I'm gonna have a Dan Lebatar moment with
you as somebody who has never partaken in the THHC
in any way, shape, form or fashion.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Like I walked into Total Wine the other day from
my whiskey club and and to to to acquire some libation,
and I'm like seeing liquid it's it's they didn't call
it this, but it's essentially liquid THHC. Right, it's THC
infused to drinks, which I don't know what to think
of that, but like I thought, we was supposed to
melw you out? How is this ship keeping you awake?

(07:58):
And maybe there's a certain there's certain ones.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Though that there are certain ones though, like the other
bulls that are and I'm learning this now too also
so my my my friends who are much more experienced
in the pie.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
I just want to call that, you know, so like
you have like you know, I said, you just glossed
right over that, right. The chocolates want to put your
sleep the ones.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I took chocolate imately, but the satima was supposed to
keep you awake while still having a high, So I
took that last night the high watching the Dodgers win
and hit my parlat I step on a record, So
good job byt that I'm not pretty good on money
lately with the.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Way, that's how I'll remember. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
So, having having said this, we now have I mean,
do you remember a year like this where like in
the middle of the year we had so many marquee
jobs open like this in the middle of the season.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I don't also remember this as like school, schools that matter,
that matter in the conversation every year, Florida with Blee Napier,
they matter, they.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Do is a marquee job.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Dude, you tell me, I mean, State is a big
job obviously. Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
So, because because you are awkwardly approaching the topic is
name value, name value, It's well, okay, name value does
not equal a good fucking job, true, true? Okay, Nebraska,
for example, what's a great job name value wise? For
Scott Frost to take? It was a garbage job, as
we would come to find out. Right, I don't think

(09:27):
Florida is a good job right now. Keep hearing I
kept hearing that told me that this week. Yeah, I
I don't think it is the recruiting in nil situation.
It's funny we always hear about the point ej that
Nil puts the sport in a state where you could
flip things around fast in the year true. The story

(09:48):
you can't hear enough about or isn't reiterated is the
risk falls just the same. It's like we've already forgotten
that Bill Belichick, the alleged coaching goat of the na Fell,
was trifled like a pier all this year, including losing
to uc F, which I saw personally while covering it
for the Black Gold. Banneret shouts to the Night Shift podcast.

(10:12):
It has claimed the likes of Bill Belichick and others
to put them in positions to lose their job. It
can make a god like did Deon Sanders, but let's
be honest, Deon Sanders was sorry, pretty amazing in himself,
but he had to sacristface his own son and sarrogate
son in the form of Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter
in order to do it. And now that they're both
going and a lot of other players, by the way,

(10:34):
not doing as well this year, he's still trying. It's
the constant state of rebuild. Like I heard it, I
heard it, hinted, rumored if you will, and I spoke
about this on the Jeff Allen Sportstock podcast that LSU
alums boosters might be willing to open up the wallet
and back up the brink struck to get Nick sab it.

(10:57):
I believe that's true. I don't think Nick takes the
job because he's made it abundantly clear that this sphere
of college he ain't about that life, correct, and that
cushy job and that cute little laugh flack duck is
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
So then you have Penn State, you got Florida, you
have not have LSU available now, and as a possibility
of Florida State might be available to also the rooms
job by next month.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, you're talking about Malazana as an active coach and
all that. It's all funny. I don't think that that's
by the way, if likely he goes to Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
But I digress. Let's include Forest in the conversation.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Since since we think that's it's gonna happen, what if
Flora's not the best job available right now?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
What is of the bunch?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's Penn State, and I don't think it's close.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Explain to fitless is why.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Because they've shown that if you can recruit well, you
could still get the players in this environment and and
maybe part of that was James Franklin. You know, it's
funny his name is James Franklin, but nobody's ever signed
him as kind of a hot dog. Anyways. By the way,
is he black and white? He's white? Right, He's on

(12:08):
this go right ahead, it's my show. Well, right, but
I don't want to be canceled. Listen, no no, no, no, no, no.
Leg I make jokes, but and man, listen, I've been
around enough circles to know that that's a thing, right.
I've seen Harlem Knights and how you know, light skin
and dark skin interact. It's the whole thing and very
interesting undertone in that movie that nobody talks about enough.

(12:30):
By the way, yes, my guy, uh big TJ for
approaching that topic with although it never saw the light
of day on Hilarity by default, I'm still pissed off
about that step up. Tamos released that shit. Anyways, hold
of him? I I you act like I haven't bugged
him about this. Why do you think I'm negotiating through
the media here?

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
The reason why I say James Franklin is back is
if Keegan Michael Key can impersonate you you're black, period.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
So he's black.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So he's black.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't Kyle legit legit, legit question. I don't know
he's like a white because he looks like a white man.
But I see he's really tan. I'm like, if Keegan
Michael Key can impersonate, I'm gonna roll with you. I'm
gonna roll black. I'm gonna roll with you on this one,
all right.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
If the angry alter ego of Barack Obama can impersonate you,
you're black, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
I'm gonna I'm gonna roum with that one. Then, yeah,
he's black.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
It's more awkward when that happened. And when you do
a Trump and press or it's less awkward rather than
when you do a Trump impression. That's for sure.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
You know you like it. Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Trump and making Jimney's very uncomfortable is fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
To fuck him too. He likes it. Also, don't be rude.
All right.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Speak of college fotball, Here is the UH this week's
UH Top ten AP rankings.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
UH this week No, not really made the changes here.
Ohio State, Indiana one and two is still A and
m A three.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Bama was four, still four Georgia five or Organ six,
olmust seven Tech at eight, Georgia second eight. Uh, there
went down I think one down one, Actuley Tech van
Bilt went up one to nine. So Mimi and minimal
I swapped on nine ten and you should just just
top twenty five twenty one. Want to call it anything,
I'd like to.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Speak to the committee if if you don't mind, you
Jack Christian right ahead looking at this. My reaction to
the committee is put Vandy in the top five, you
fucking cowards. What are we doing right now? Putting Oregon

(14:44):
a PAC twelve team who is not that good. I
said what I said, and don't get me started on
Georgia fucking Tech there this year's SMU. You knew one
would come out right, and I know I'm supposed to
be all I had. Oh the coach used to what,
I don't give a damn play somebody, So yeah, ole miss,

(15:08):
that's cute. The SEC will beat themselves up enough and
they'll fall out, just like egually fall out of the
top five.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Almost pleasure?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Does Bena almost pleasure?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Does does Bama miss play? I haven't checked the schedule,
but it's possible. I'll go ahead, and you know from
the hip, I'm already I'm already a producer for the
bul Blitz uncut. I might as well, you know, on
the fly, be a producer for you on your show,
even though I'm supposed to be a guest and I'm
having to work. Where the fuck is my union card.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Oh my god, this segment is to talk gallons of
ship on you while I do your job for you.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
This is you.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
You did this to you.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Do you understand I underpay you? Yeah, you pay me
zero and you still underpay me. Almost almost lost to
Georgia right looking at the schedule now, I mean losing.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
To Georgia is I know people want to be little that,
but that's not necessarily the biggest crime in the world.
I do not see Alabama.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
In fact, almost has a cake walk to the telegame,
most likely Carolina, Florida, Mississi State.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
That's before I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Putting Oklahoma in their place matters, and and I think, frankly,
if I'm being honest, I feel like, explain to me
why why oh miss is behind Alabama. I don't see it,
because what we've come to find out is losing to
your Seminoles is a pretty bad loss this year.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, looks bad for them. Yeah, but
so ol Miss's big wins this year.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Oh you know what, I take that back. Alabama has
beaten three ranked teams, including Vanderbilt, Miszoo, and Georgia. Okay,
yeah they should be four. Yeah, I sneak correct.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Ole Miss has on their on their schedule, they've beaten No,
lost to Georgia actually yeah lost, just like Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Oh, let's chose not have a good win. In fact,
they barely be l s U in that game. Oklahoma's
the biggest win of the year. That's it, Miss, Yeah,
that's it. So yeah they got that right for now.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
For now.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
He used to drop. I think so too, will all
Miss by by uh distribution there so to speak.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah, no, I have no problems as rankings. Honestly, I
have no problem twenty five?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Did you have that on the BINGO card?

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Did not? Anyway, I did not, But I doubt they
didn't make it the splash in the twelve.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know the reason why they're there is because the
Cows of West Florida, sorry, the University of South Florida
was way overrated.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
So why is you almost to a piece, is really
trying to shoehorn texas much they could.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's familiarity in arch Manning.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, I mean, look they have where are the quality
wins this year? Really?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Though they don't have any, they have a lot of
quality losses that were play losses.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
U Oklahoma is the quality win this year.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
That's it, And I think that's the only real talk.
I think that's the only reason their top twenty five
is beating Oklahoma. I don't know why everybody is so
fond of Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
I am not. But here's the thing, though, work o Kyle.
They have opportunity to jump that thing still.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
You know why your next to your next two games
Vandervelt this week and then Georgia week after that.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Oh and then into each other that A and M.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, play three top That's the reason I high then
is is because the schedule they haven't played yet, which
is a fascinating way to do it. I don't agree
with it, but I can appreciate it. You know, I
wish they would give that kind of not credit. I
wish they would give that kind of consideration to a
team like Georgia Tech that is allegedly eight in the country.

(18:46):
What a joke?

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well, I think what let's do?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Also, what's about a team that can jump from my
fucking from like being on ranked two weeks ago to
being in the top five.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
If they if they win these three games, they're going
in top five.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Maybe you just beat three.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Top ten teams. It's been a three it's been four weeks, buddy.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I'm not the one you gotta sell.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I'm just saying anything else that stood out to you,
buddy about this because I'm good.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
It feels weird. I don't know what to make of
that either. Who's that Virginia at fifteen?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I mean they've been I mean they're still one loss? Right? Yeah?
Again the four Saint when not to look as good anymore?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Can we have this conversation as we do on the
regular basis? There're one, two, three.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Four, five?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Nah, Notre Dame. Isn't it the conference?

Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's right? Four?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I see what I did that? Yeah, four ACC teams
are not top twenty five worthy, complete trash.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Well, could you argue it's been better this year than
it has been in recent year? Now?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I cannot?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
I mean something, Miami min is a good team in
new good team last year how are.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
They better than last year.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
That was worst?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Huh, that's not what I said. You're your post. Sorry,
your premise was is the ACC better this year than
last year? I don't see the evidence.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Okay, I think it's typical of a a sc personally. Yeah,
the big the biggest win issues. I guess well, I
was the fourth state nightymore Louisville is the big best.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Win of the year. Who who's best win? Virginia Virginia.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
And they're only big because Miami, to use your nomenclature,
ship the bed.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, they beat the team that beat Miami.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
So it's all about.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
It's a proxy argument.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's all about blue blood hype, over hyping garbage teams
and getting them to the top period. I means Notre
Dame that enjoys it, right, it's the ACC is the
whole And I know they don't have a conference. But
I only mentioned Notre Dame because I have been openly
critical of this before. It's a great, uh fiscal model

(20:58):
if you could pull it off like Notre Dame. As However,
to to to grant, how is this any you different
than SMU last year?

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Please tell me you know, But the thing is to
all side, and I think Parry is not doing this.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
There is no clear cut great teams any more comfortaball
Ohio State and you can throw me one or two
more if you want to, but every team.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
State is the is to creed the raises to the top.
Yeah right there, I got you, I got you, Okay,
But the SEC is still more boiled milk than the
water down a CC. And don't get me started on
the big ten and that overrated action.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Like I said, like you know, the the the SEC
is se sucks. It's no, it doesn't fayth thing. It's
proving itself how how deep it is.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Because vendor Bilt is in the conversation and now you
can lose your job at three four and fourteen, three years,
you know, three years and in that conference, because.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
You're gonna tell me if they fired Mike Noravel and
my and Brian Kelly got to tallahassee that seen as
a downgrade.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I don't think it, and I'll take him. I'll give
a fuck.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
You went went from an American Athletic Conference coach bombing
to a dude that had four to ten win seasons
at Notre Dame period point blank for.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
All the faults of Brian Kelly. I would easily taking
over Michael Fell. That's not a conversation you would because
I see I was.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I don't want to take shots at Jim because it's
not just Jim needs it's Notre Dame, Notre Dame, but
Jim fans in general that didn't appreciate him even when
he was there.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
But I think from fans said they can't set it
to two. They you can say, yes, he was great
for us, and he still be angry how he left
your team. That's yeah, that's to be right here. That's
exactly that. That's exactly the issue with the general Notre
Dame fan is separate the art of artists, or at
least they couldn't back then.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
It's like me with with with with with with with
as a Heat fans with Lebron James. So what Lebron
just sucks down because he left the Heat.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
No, I mean angry him leaving the team, but doesn't
mean that it doesn't change his quality of a player.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
He is and he's the second best player about about
tam thank you? So yeah, you got sebd to bro.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
This is why, this why when you have fan hood
and get get you get mostly attached to it. I
get it. But you know, Frank Hills still great coach.
I mean this did the measure differtation up? Then they'll
see that's it?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
And who who really could? Honestly, in any SEC let's
begory about that. Who really could?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
I wonder, I wonder if the last it is Kirby Smart,
the last truly long tenured coach in college football at
that level.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
I know you'll have And no, no, no, no, no, no,
that's that's a great question because in the era of
ni L and teams and the schools getting much more impatient.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Now, well, the reason you can't can't cut me off
completely is because Kirk Farren still exists in Iowa. But
what is Iowa exactly?

Speaker 4 (24:01):
It depends on schools.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
To me, it's a team that discovered the farward Past
a few times this year.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
But that's thirty four and fourteen.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Indiana would be okay, thirty four, they would be ecstatic,
are you right? Imence what he's done? But in most
SEC schools that have one titles on a regular basis
for the last twenty years, thanks change, bro, things change.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
You have to change your barmbra changes.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
You know this, teams are in a different conference. These
conferences as they even are now may not look the same.
Will there be a big twelve in five years? Just
as an example, right, So.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I think you'll see more of the the legacy schools
that are always in the conversation, be much more quick
with the hook on coaches and then not getting a
result faster because you'll see less of the ten years to.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Start with, because we've had the conversation about the bubble
bursting and the money being ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yes, so yeah, and and and and n I L
there's no more. There's no more.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know, everything's transparent now, everything's above board. So all right,
So the NFL, you've been very what's the word the
word carefully.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Here, pessimistic, unbelieving, you're close apprehensive on the cults as
a super cottendent.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
You acknowledge that they're a good team. Apprehensive is a
great word, but you acknowledge are a good team. You
just don't know if why acknowledge?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I acknowledge that they are outperforming expectations. I never use
the word good correct now?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
However, right, I think you're still on the fence about
what this team is truly a what they call it
on the first sticks first an S Bob team, Supol team,
superorar Bus team. They're not Bus, but they're definitely are
they a sup of contender?

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Now?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I also entered your saying things too couple couple week
games in saying that I had to see at least
eight weeks of material. Now, obviously the AFC being so
weak this year changed that changed that direction of my
argument weeks ago. Now, what's eight weeks into the year.
We'llna do a mentor next next week. I'm pretty sure
Colt's gonna get an abody just call that later. But

(26:20):
what's about bigger picture here?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I guess, I guess. I'll ask you the question.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Forget the fact that you yes or no question, I'll
ask you the question, what would it take for Cole
Nash to say, yeah, you know what, these.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Guys they're ready the super contenders? What would it take?
What do you mean to see? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
And and and the issue was this, by the way,
don't lock them in with an A for mid season.
I gotta think about that, right, okay, but later on later,
that's right? I The best way to explain that, Okay,
what would it take.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
For me to.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Believe INDI Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts as a super Bowl team.
I'm restating the question to kind of get a hold
and put myself in the right frame of mind, right
to be as objective, so to speak, as possible, because
let's be honest, and I'll be full disclosure, the Indianapolis
Colts might be the very thing that stop Travis D.

(27:22):
Holmes and the Duval dive from a playoff game show
come January. Right, yeah, full disclosure, full stop. I have
to acknowledge my bias there. But the better way for
me to answer what it would take for me to
believe in the Colts. Yeah, never mind. It's funny to

(27:46):
start the year, I couldn't find five wins on their
schedule at this point in the year. It seems very
interestingly that than other than the Rams, they play a
butt ton of teams that have been dis dis appointing
af and they had to sneak past the Broncos.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
They're not being they're not disappointing.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
But here's the list of remaining teams, right, Steelers disappointing,
fraud cons. Need I say more? The Chiefs aren't disappointing,
They just started slow, like you and I have acknowledged,
they always will the favorites. The Jags also disappointing in
their own right now, even though the Duvaults of vut

(28:25):
would have murdered for the opportunity to hear and believe
the statement four and three going into the Bible as
possible this year, the Seahawks not a disappointment. The Niners
absolute disappointment. The all those injuries, They're a disappointment because
of the injuries period. This is not just a team,

(28:47):
Ernest Christian. They just lost to the fucking Texans. What
are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Carry on?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
So yeah, thanks for rubbing that in asshed welcome. You
know we played this week ago. You don't hear me.
You don't hear me jumping on here? Going?

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Oh Scott, who got hurt?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
How does that make you feel?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
You're lucky if we play this week two? Also, jimeson Leonners.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Well, isn't that just a mash ball if I ever
heard of one. Anyways, you're excited about this game, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know, didn't the Jags again? Well right, so yeah,
you interrupted me? I forgot And then they finished the
season with the Jags, who might be back on track
by then, we'll see. And then they finished with the Texans.
There is nobody challenging them here except for the Seahawks
and the Chiefs. In my opinion, this isn't as bad

(29:43):
as the Chicago Bears that made it to the Super
Bowl to eventually get beat by Peyton Manning and I
should say walloped by Peyton Manning and the Colts. But
it's close. This isn't a New England Patriots schedule during
the time of Bill Belichick facing a garbage AFC East,
but it's close as it is. They're in an AFC South,

(30:06):
which really the only team performing two expectation is ironically
the Jaguars. We are seen as a disappointment by their
fan base because they're not you know, five and something.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
You're not suggesting that Daniel Jones is more Rex Grossman,
are you, because I think he's better, playing better.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I suggested the living fuck out of that.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Actually, okay, I would think he's playing better gross and old.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Six well, and it's not about Grossman's play.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Let me be clear.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
What Grossman also had was a pretty good roster around him,
and that is exactly what the Colts are. Jonathan Taylor.
We've said on this show before as an MVP candidate,
you know Daniel Jones, he does what you know what
he reminds me of. And I said this the other day.
I forget where it was he is. He is Russell

(30:54):
Carrington Wilson with the legion of Boom and Marshaun Lynch.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Early years twenty twelve, twenty fourteen, twenty.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Fifteen, obviously his rookie year's first starting out correct, which
for all intents and purposes, the argument could be made
that he still is essentially essentially a rookie because he
was not developed all that well by the alleged coach
of the Year in twenty twenty two. But you know,
some of us here worship Brian Dave Ball right eja Christian.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
What algies? You can't handle the truth.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I don't give a damn what you think.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
You are entitled to the the the of the truth.
So so Kyle his thing.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I'm not going to disagree with you. Here's the reason why,
because I'm right, clearly no. The environment changed my change
my perspective. If you're asking me, who do you trust more?
Bigger picture, if I think see thinks, how I see
things playing out. I well, we'll get to the second
numb and the second But I still think the Ravens
are still conversation.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
I still think. I still think that you know, the
Bills will get things together. Now.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I do think the Colts right now, what we've seen
are better. Right now, I've been playing better and shown
more sustainability. But again, what I always tell teams that
come out of nowhere, you just don't get to cut
the line because you had a great eight weeks.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
You gotta earn my trust. And these teams I mentioned
the Ravens, the Bills, the Chiefs, they've.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Done something for a long time now to say, okay,
it start slow, you know what, but I trust them
to get all together. I eat can't see the Chiefs
this year. It's not going to blah blah blah. Look struggle.
Look they're struggling now. Look where they're right now. So
that's why you know, I always hold back. But the
reason why I think the Colts always sup boke tender
now is because the AFC environment opens that door. It's

(32:49):
still those teams still have to go out of the holes.
The Ravens are still in the hole, even though I
think they'll get out.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Of the hole that's still in the hole, you know.
So that's why I I the culture. It's like, it's
like almost in the sense of Colts.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, I'll say this, I have more faith in the
Bills than I do the Ravens, mostly because Lamar Dimitrius
Jackson is dealing with injury. It is what it is, correct,
and the Ravens in general are dealing with a bough
a ton of injuries on defense too. I just think
they're in a lot more trouble than the Bills are.
And we're worshiping the Pats just because, you know, what

(33:23):
is it that that king King George was quoted about
saying about America, like, you know, countries like you always
seek a king. I feel like I feel like the
NFL fan base is just used to cheering for, not
cheering for, but acknowledging the Patriots as a good team.
And while Vrabel is proving that he was a coach

(33:43):
that should never have been fired. As I have said
on this show, I believe you expect me to believe
in Drake May that much.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I can't do it so than any to ask that
same question to you. To you in regards to the Patriots. Then,
so what would take for you to say, okay that
paths are for real?

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Well?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Uh, and so again, clearly, I think we can agree
that the AFC East is I'm not going to say
it down year, but they're in a down.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yet, right, we can we can agree with that. Well,
thank you Miami.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, I mean, you know, but when it when it
comes to yeah, thank you Miami, not well, you don't think, Miami.
You're celebrating basically Tyreek Hill getting hurt, and with that
much asset being tied into somebody that's not even playing,
the value of your team is dramatically reduced. Right you

(34:42):
know That's the point our guy Cam Newton has made
on the air. By the way. But when I look
at the Patriots, right, let's they're opening schedule. What was
the top opponent that they had to play? The Bills? Right?

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Some names on the on the on the uh Pats
scheduled thus far, the Raiders, the Dolphins, the Steelers, who
are disappointing they lost record. Who you beat me there, gotcha?
The Panthers, the Bills, the Saints, the Titans, the Browns,
and the fraud cons are next week.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Totally with you with you.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Then there's the rest of the season. The fraud cons
the Bucks might be their toughest game, the Jets, a
disappointing Bengals team who plays no defense, your Giants allegedly,
the Bills again, the Ravens, who are a shadow of
their former selves, the Jets, the Dolphins. This is not
an overwhelming schedule, and it's a little weaker based on

(35:34):
the Ravens current status and the Bengals current status. Correct,
So they're going what's going to happen is they're going
to meander their way into potentially a playoff spot and
get blasted. The only positive for that is there's a
coach in Mike Rabel that knows what to do in
that situation because the Titans did that for how many

(35:55):
years buddy before they got good yep. So maybe Dake
they can be their Ryan Tannehill. I'll put that on
the table.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
It's the same. It's the same logic with the Colts. Now.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
The Colts have done some things that are a little
more impressive, but they've also played some teams also to
to to to warrant at least some sort of discussion.
The Patriots have not, I mean the Buffalo is the
only one they have one to speak of, you know,
and I don't. And I'm gonna, I'm gonapply the same
logic here with with the Colts, with the Patriots too. Also,
you don't get the cut The line. You've been bath
a couple of years. Now you with the Cutton line,

(36:27):
now you get you gotta earn my love, earn my trust,
and your schedule has not really done as that set. Look,
you're you're you're your toughest game moving forward. As you mentioned,
it is probably Buffalo and maybe Baltimore. Baltimore get shit
together right then, But at this point, I don't think
that's the thing. I think it's the Bucks, dude, I
really do. Yeah, it's in two weeks, So again, you

(36:49):
have to earn our trust. Maybe though those maybe if
you win those games in certain ways, then maybe we
can have that conversation with the time being. No, I'm
I'm still I'm gonna still say they were they were
a playoff team who might win division, but they are
also a Super Bowl pretender.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Pretender, so.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Bordering on fraud. But yes, I haven't said that.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I'm wanna I want to swing this here, this this
question here, M team most likely to win their division? Okay, yeah,
they pick one only Okay, Ravens in the in the
AC South, in North rather the Pats in East.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
But I know you got to do this for the listeners,
so go ahead.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
No, So the AC North, the Pats in the AFC East, Well,
the Broncos in the South and in the West rather
AMC South?

Speaker 4 (37:33):
What what fucking west? Bro? Wake up? Wake up? Wake up?
Which team is most likely in that division?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Pick one? So you don't mean in the whole league,
You're you're narrowing it down, got you. You're going Broncos,
Ravens and the Pats.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, who's like a division in your opinion based on
the environment, business situations?

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Maybe right now.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Broncos interesting Broncos. Uh, the Chargers are so very injured
at the offensive line spot, and I will say them
beating the Vikings on Thursday, was itge I just don't
take the Pats at seriously now. To answer your question,
I might be violating my own rules and not looking

(38:17):
at the schedule closely enough. But if I am wrong
and it is the Pats, it's because of their schedule, true, true.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Like for me, I I want to say to Ravens
because we live in a world and the AMC North
really is not good.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
And the reason why they're not good is because of
the challenge that the Ravens are enduring. All Right, I
think Huntley is a good quarterback, but unfortunately he can't
come in and substitute for the defensive players as well.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Right, Unfortunately for the Ravens. That's not a thing I don't.
I think Case see clips off Denver. That's that's the thing.
I think Case cots of Denver. So to me, the
better answer is probably the Patriots because of the fact
their schedule dictates that. But again, Buffalo is literally a
game behind them.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Well half, here's the real like with the reason why
the reason why the Broncos are tough is they're already
down a game to the Chargers. And I believe they're
already down a game to the.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Chiefs. No, they didn't play yet. They didn't play yet.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
They haven't played yet.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Are they down another division game? I'm trying to remember.
I mean, well, they lost, they lost, They lost to.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
The the Chargers. I know that, and yeah, they haven't
played any other division game. So you know what, I
feel better about my answer now than I did. And
they should have beaten the Colts until they blew the
field goal, right they she lost the Giants noll too,
but you know, well that's more about your giants than
it is them.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
I mean, this is correct. This is correct.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Way if you wanted to know possibly how Vikings felt
when your boy Dabo beat them in the playoffs when
they were frauds at the time too, it felt something
like that. Just gonna throw that out.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Hey, this schedule is kind of tough though, you So
here's a here's a schedule at Texans Raiders. So this
would be two wins Texas. Maybe a little weird because'
he's in Houston. Then he got the Chiefs at home. Commanders.
We'll see if Dan Dall's back for that game at
Washington Vegas again, that's a win. Then green Bay at home,

(40:34):
the Jags on at home, then Chiefs again, and then
the Chargers close the year.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Out on Christmas in prime time, by the way, with.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
The chief Chiefs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
So just uh, it's it's the schedule favors the Pats
in that in that question. The environment favors the Ravens
in that question.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
But what is murderers row schedule? You're talking about for
the Broncos. Well, Packers, chiefs.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Twice Packers and then again and he gets a weird
Wackers Bam.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
It ends there. If you think the Packers are reliably
good right now, you haven't been paying attention. You said yourself,
the Commanders aren't reliable because of Jane Daniels health and
the Jags reliable child play.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well, I was saying this, there is a couple of
weirdo games. Looking at there, there's a couple of weirdo games.
I think a Jaguars could be a weirdo game. Houston
game is a weirdo game again, could be, could be
if there's why, here's why it's in Houston.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Ca Okay, if you have a defense that good and
you can't protect, I don't give a damn.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
If they played us coming up this upcoming week.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
If they lose, you fall ask me next week right,
Oh yeah, if if, if, if they lose, I would
be I'm more than happy to call myself surprised.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
So, and the Commanders, if Daniel's back, we'll see, because
the home game is the Commanders.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
I'll acknowledge that for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
If he's he's helping a game. Then it's a weird
game because he's it's a home and one two on
top of that. But they're not that as good.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
I told him. I told folk, they're gonna come back
to Earth a little bit this year. I think it'll
be the bad. But who the Texans, the Commanders, Commanders, Well,
it's not fair to say that when injuries involved.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
I'll put it.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Correct and key injuries just not as Daniels too. Also
uh McLaren too.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Also, yeah, scary Terry missing is huge. Absolutely, So CD
Stroud is not back. C J Stroud did what now
He's not back?

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Then?

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I guess we kind of teased last week on the
show about do we have a c J. Stroup problem
here now? And then he had his big game against
San Francis going on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Right, Well, keep in mind this is San Francisco without
any of their key defensive players. That's pump the brakes
just a bed right. Yeah, but yeah, I uh c
J Stroud, c J Stroud was never gone. Can we
be honest about that.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
C J.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Stroud is not c J Stroud's biggest problem. Okay, It's
like I've said on this show. The moment they got
rid of Larimy Tansil. I knew they's gonna be problems, right.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
That's actually a good point. I look and I think
to his credit last year. You know, he had a
down year last year, but he played better as the
year ended, if I's got healthier, and he played on
the playoff game. So I think we're grading a bit
on a curvew with him, a little bit like we
expected the same thing with Jane Daniels.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
He had a great rookie year. We're looking to continue
send and then he kind of stalls a little bit.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
You might be grading him on a curve.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
What I'm doing is grading consistently, just the same way.
I've got visibly angry when people came out with this
Daniel Jones Trevor Lawrence comparison, and I gave Trevor grace.
I'm going to give c. J. Stroud grace because it's
the same thing. By the way, I'm noticing that nobody's
making those same comparisons of Daniel Jones and c. J.

(43:48):
Stroud outside perhaps of Duval count Hmm.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
It's interesting. That's interesting. Why don't you ask your brother
about that? I'll ask him tonight. I talk to him
bo way he.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
He likes I think he likes Trevor though. But you
know what, why in the convers about Trevor wars on
the road. I'm sure you guys talk about that.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Well listen, yeah, I think you would do wise to
check out Monday's episode of The Duke of All Dive.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
I could swore you has some related to that in
his in his uh he's on the.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Thumbnail for Christ's sake, I mean, what are you doing?
And of course we did thumbnail.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Who does thumb nails anymore? Oh? Yeah, I do?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Anyboddy who does YouTube does thumbnails?

Speaker 4 (44:31):
That's that's correct, That's correct. What else got here for?
Figured out before?

Speaker 2 (44:35):
We?

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Oh yeah, so we I know we touched on this ready,
the big discussion. So why is it not Jonathan Taylor?
This point now the favorite?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Why isn't it Jonathan Taylor? You tell me, humpy bumpy hmm.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
If this this m VP thing is is like so
fluid that we get a new name every week, every
two weeks, it was remember big, if it was lead.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Your boy, your boy Baker still in the combo, let's
lead with that. The reason why that fell out of
favor is because of the gaming had against the Lions,
which is really he's really being punished for in the moment,
kind of like you know, you guys do on your
puddle on your huddle up rankings, on your huddle up
power ranking, your puddle up ranking, uddle uh, your huddle

(45:21):
up power rankings. You know, I feel like Baker kind
of got punished for that singular game. Fair or not,
That's what I think happened, right, But I think Baker
still in the convo. I feel like there is a
path for success for Dereck Henry if your Ravens do
bounce back. But it's clearly Jonathan Taylor right now, Yeah,

(45:45):
this team helps were dead and that balance in the
ground game keeps Daniel Jones alive. Let's be clear, please,
how about Maybing. Justin Herbert should be in the conversation
as well. Herbert, I would have said, yes, weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Now, I'm not so sure here's a guy.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Go ahead, what you say? You say you're not so
sure about Justin Herbert? Yeah, right now, buddy, with the
lack of protection, there's no reason for him to be
succeeding at.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
The cliff that he is.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
But you know that they want example, of what a
lack of protection can do to a team. Please see
c J. Stroud. And by the way, c J. Stroud
doesn't have a rookie at running back like ome Omarion
Hampton is. Naji Harris is a no show because he's
hurt for the year. Khalil Mack has also been missing,
so Justin Herbert has had to win it in shootouts

(46:41):
without protection. Please tell me again why you're down on
Justin Herbert as a candidate.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Not down't not don' not saying that I don't know
if I put my top five.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Though, well then you're wrong. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Okay, what about Jillen? What about Jealen Hurts? In the
conversation how Jalen Hurts twain touchdowns one pick?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I know for a fact you watch Cam Newton, He's
explained Jalen Hurts and his abundance of talent that he's
surrounded with. And it's still not cooking right because they're
they're calling for the run. There's stuff in the box
and you still can't get it done with AJ Brown
and the numbers are stole and DeVonta Smith popping fifteen

(47:20):
touched on one pick.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Uh, he's pre efficient.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
See on a run team does not make you an
MVP candidate. But are they run team because they lived
in games like?

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Are they though? Because that definite?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
A complaint for that's been to complaint for the team
so far this year is that they not running ball enough.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
If if they're not, No, that's not true. If that
were the case, why is AJ Brown complaining about not
getting the ball enough?

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Dude, rate the room.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I will say Jillen hurts navigating that stuff though, with
the A J Brown thing has been you know, because
he's he's an a navigate all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
So if you're gonna play the intangibles defense, that's fine.
But he's only having to do that because he's surrounded
by that much talent in a game where they should
have just lost to the fucking Giants if it went
for some horrific officiating.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Oh god, dude, I think that's your king. If that
if that's the if there's a case to end the
touch push, that could be it.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
No, it's not you think that that that that that
bad officiating is not the defense to end the touch push?

Speaker 4 (48:27):
No, what do we do? I mean? Oh, I don't know.
Maybe dude, that that calls a gregious brother. Yeah, I
had a ship to do with the Tousch push. It's
blind fucking officials.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
So I get right now, you give me a top
five right now this week if the candidates in any order,
I don't give a crip.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Jon Taylor, Jonathan Taylor, Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert. And this
is the part where you start reading your scraps a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Right, a little bit. Uh boy, Patty.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Levin's not there yet like this, This Chiefs team is
not world beating anybody. And I know they beat the
Lions and that's cool and all, but it days In,
I'm just not there yet. There is a path for
victory for him there to get the MVP if there
was ever a year, like if they pull off the
turnaround again, you know, with with a decrepit Travis Michael

(49:29):
Kelsey in that receiver corps, there's a fine defense for it.
Certainly over Jalen Hurts. I'll agree with that.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Right something touchdowns, four picks on face with another four
thousand yards season hundred three yard passer rating.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Pretty good stuff here.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I'm not gonna go, uh, you know what, I might
have to throw a John Matthew Stafford in there. What
about Sam Darnold, it's really good this year. I that
defense has a lot more to do with it, in
my agreed, than he does. But John Matthew Stafford is
somebody I would throw to, and like, I can't throw

(50:09):
in Derek Henry yet because the Ravens have to be
successful for that to be a real thing, and they
aren't yet.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
So there's that.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, And I'm going to put Josh Allen on the
list because they are only one game out of first
from the Pads in a team for a team whose
talent is not to the level of certainly the Eagles, right,
and whose defense has also been letting him down. And

(50:41):
still they are five and two. Not to say that
the Bills have had a great schedule so far. You know,
they beat thee Ravens back when they were still good
and had a full roster.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Still, basically those shots that Jake Bagan's any conversation, not
for me, brother, he has excuse seventy five percent compans
percentage on pace for over four do what fifteen touchdowns?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
No, don't do this.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
I know you trash looking. I'm looking for the yak.
I'm going for yak because that's where I look at
the patient.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Think about Drake May as an MVP candidate makes me
want to yack. Okay, no, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Say it was case.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I'm just doing names out there in the conversation. People
who having great years.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I gave you five and they're better than Drake May.
And by the way, you don't even have freaking Justin
Herbert in your top five. But the hell do you know?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Maybe, I mean, we even know the game they maybe
I'll put him in there. They've been kind of mid
last couple weeks though, the team.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
With no offensive line jack ass. True. Come on, Drake May,
Drake May, Drake May. I know Drake Maylan have fucking
triggered you because you did.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
You were never a fan of the guy, but it's
it's because he's an acc quarterback who's overrated. We had
the conversation last week on the show.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
But we'll see if this thing continues, man, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, Well, I think you got here. I want some
of this actually because a little off topics.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
That's still sports. But you mentioned Cam Newton a couple
of times.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Dude, I remember you sent me a text he said,
as you said the group texts Unie in Big Jim
about a month ago. I'll talk HI about, you know,
Cam Newton, how he's killing the media, And I told you,
you know, I think he is, Like to me, it's
shocking any more shocking for the fact he's doing he's
doing well with his old stuff, you know, with his
old podcast and.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Yeah, and he's so authentical he is.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
But to see him transition that what he's doing, which
maybe believe wouldn't be good for the mainstream, and to
just sitting well with on first take. I start watching
the first take, okay, and I only started watching it
again recently because Cam Newton done there.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Because Cam Newt I find very compelling. We have been
guys for some time. Personality should surprise absolutely no one.
The only problem I have ever had with Cam Newton
is some accent on some some of his hat choices
are just a bit too much.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Yeah yeah, well well well yeah that the hack thing,
and then also the high.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Tweets, the little stuff with the letters, and it's a style,
of course, but I can't stand that it's annoying, you know.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
But other than that, he's been a just a great
transition for him.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I think, if if nothing else, Cam Newton demonstrates two things.
A that somebody with personality that knows the game can
be a good personality in sports. It's just hard to
find that mix. And B it really shows how truly
smart Stephen A. Smith is pulling him into the fold

(53:43):
when Shannon Sharp left the opening. Yeah, Kendrick Perskins is
a waste of my time. There's so many people on
who do that thing and are a waste of my time.
But to be smart enough to bring in a Cam
Newton the same way too, So what's that porkose of
hot take?

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Artist? Anyway?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
And with the worst kind though you be at artist,
still have still have some value. But when you have
no value or you're divisive for the sake of it,
not because of anything, that you can actually argue, like
your kid shouldn't be MVP because he's white fucking stupid.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
You know, I'm its parted, it's it's it's it's it's
it's a manual lao bad.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Oh yeah, I'm a I'm alto to for the record, Yeah,
I'm on that guy. So but I he I think
he's doing great. I just think it's it's really incrediblely
he's done so anyway, that's for me on this end,
do you So we'll do it obviously next week we'll
do the.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Deep mid terms.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Love the term to you. It was great way to
go and we'll figure out from there. Anything else, want
to plug what's going on in your world?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah? Man, so you know what it is with me
by now, I'm doing the normal thing of course. Uh.
The Duval Dive will have their livestream episode Thursday night.
Travis has returned from vacation. But in the meantime, to
keep your appetite, what what can make sure you could
check out Wednesday nights Duval Dive will drop our Trevor episode.
We we did kind of a mini series evaluating the

(55:16):
players that the fans have most questions about, which happened
to be Travis Hunter BTJ, and then I mentioned actually
tonight is Travis and ten and the trade deadline upcoming
and what we expect from that because obviously Week eight
rapidly approaching and as the week of the trade deadline,
so that'll all be very interesting to see if the

(55:36):
super active Jimmy Jimmy Stones aka James Gladstone, the GM
of the Jags, does anything. All that will be on
the Duvall Dive. Of course, make sure you check out
the bolt Blitz U cut. We have our ice cream mixer,
uh where we are celebrating with the Princess of the Darkness.
And also CBS sports personality Amy Trask and her announcement

(56:00):
of being a Hall of Fame finalist as a contributor.
Congratulations to her, and of course make sure you check
out the Bullplitz on cut book of Peters and the
rest of the crew as well where I am the producer.
And then Black and Gold Banterrett dot com. This weekend
UCF at Baylor. If they win this game, the opportunity
for a bold berth in a rebuilding year becomes super real,

(56:22):
so make sure you check that out Black and Gobanterrett
dot com. In the night Shift podcast, So PJ. Christian,
by the way, what did the magic forget to play out?
How to play defense? I think we need to talk
about that next time, buddy.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
But yeah, actually too because uh, a little over that
down so far?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, I would rather. I would almost rather it start
low and then get high than if it was starting
great and then they hit a loll at the end.
That's the years past.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
They don't say they've done that. They started great and
then eight is tilloff.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, but we'll see what happens. Man. People are already
starting to whisper about if they don't get right soon,
Moses gone, that's.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
A whole station. Stop God, God man.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
We'll have that conversation next week. My friend, until next time,
he got a glass dismissed h