November 11, 2025 • 50 mins
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This is the Down and Dirty with Scott Mitchell, the
Utah football legend and twelve year NFL veteran, on Utah's
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Very simple. You all know how to do it. I
know how to do it. I'm old. There's been a
lot of firings like it, just it seems I don't
know if it's if it's in the air, I don't
know if it's one of those copycat things. It's like,
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you know what, we were thinking about firing our coach,
and we saw those guys over there do it, and
we want to keep up with the Joneses, so we're
going to fire our coach. And not only are they
firing coaches, they're firing gms. It's like anybody in the path,
anyone who has a job in sports is going to
get fired. Maybe they're trying to set a record up,
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maybe they're trying to I don't know. You know, you
know how these things go, with these copycat things, and
really it's a crazy thing. So that's happening, and we're
going to chat about that. Of course, I'm trying to
figure out, like who's the best team in the NFL, Like, like, really,
who is it? And I think I think we think
it's supposed to be someone and maybe it's not. Maybe
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it's someone else who's real, who's not real. We'll get
into that, and of course we have kind of a
fun conversation about what conference of the power conferences and
maybe just conferences in general, has produced the highest number
of successful quarterbacks. Now, we are probably going to break
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it down between their success in college, maybe their success
as professionals. Maybe it's a mixture of both. Anyways, we're
going to jump jump into that, and we have on
another show. Please tune into those show because it's going
to be fun. Today we got we got some fun, fun,
fun things we're gonna We're going to talk about f
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you in in our in a segment. So it's about
the BYU Utah rivalry and it's about how each school
can kind of f you the other school this year
in the college football playoff race, Like what would be
the biggest like in your face kind of way that
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you could just really make life so miserable with your rival.
So we're gonna talk about that and that will be fun,
be very very fun. And then of course we have
our jazz and our mammoth. We'll get to as well.
All right, So first of all, the Dallas Mavericks are
planning on firing their GM, Nico Harrison, of course, who
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traded Luka doncic and and and he got Anthony Davis,
and then of they draft Cooper Flag. The Mavericks have
started the season three and eight. Now I would have said,
if you give up Luca, and I think it's I
think it's comical how Luca They're like, yeah, you know,
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he's kind of lazy, he's kind of dowey, he kind
of maybe he's out of shape. All of a sudden,
Luca just goes, hey, you want to trade me, I'll
show you. And I really wonder how much Lebron rubbed
off on Luca and he got there and he and
he saw how Lebron you know, I don't know is
Lebron sixty yet? I mean, it feels like Lebron James
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is just going to keep playing basketball forever. And I
think Lucas saw that and he said, yeah, I got
to change the body tone here if I want to continue.
I really believe that happened, and maybe he'll admit it
maybe well, I don't know, but man, Luca's hot in
so many ways, and in my brain, I'm like, okay,
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you're gonna trade Luca for Anthony Davis. Now, there was
a moment, and it's been a long moment since Anthony
Davis was anything. You go, oh yeah, Anthony Davis. Dude
is just like dominant. Like I have never seen a
player who has kind of gone from uh, superman ish
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to kind of can't stay on the courtish, And it's it,
and it's and he almost go It's almost like Scottie
Pippen not putting himself in the game because uh, what's
his name, Tony Kuk coach got to shoot the last
shot of a game. He just said, nah, I don't
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feel good, and and and Anthony Davis has kind of
had about a few years of that Scottie Pippen moment,
Like he's like, I haven't felt good for a couple
of years, like maybe five, And he just never seems
to stay healthy, never seems to stay on the court,
never seems to be engaged. So you give up Luca
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for that, and and and and before you even given
him up, it's like, don't you know, don't you watch
this guy, like, where in the world do you think
he's just gonna miraculously go oh yeah, that was the
Anthony Davis. We knew, uh And and of course they
draft Cooper Flag. Now, Cooper Flag is interesting to me,
and I'm not sure. I know, the Jazz were all
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up and high on Cooper Flag. And maybe he'll be
a great player, maybe he won't. But I think there's
still a lot more for me to see from Cooper Flag.
I think he's got a lot to prove to me
at least. And I, you know, being being on the Maverick,
I don't know if he you know, how how well
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he'll develop. We'll see, We'll see if if he really
ends up being because they don't always end up the guys,
those those lottery guys don't. We'll see how it is
now Ace Bailey, I'm not saying he's you know, a
cup of tea. He is now starting and he is electrifying.
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I mean, there's there's definitely gobs and gobs of talent there.
So we'll see if they can harness it, if they
can capture it, if if he can become something really special.
So and again the segment isn't about basketball players. But
I got off on this this tangent of them only
because like, what are you thinking, Nico Harrison. So sometimes
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when when someone gets fired, you're like, yeah, I can
kind of see that one. And I imagine it's got
to be brutally tough to be a general manager. And
you got to pick guys right, and you gotta you
gotta pick the right ones. You got to pick the
right coach, and you gotta you gotta figure this stuff out.
I mean, it's it's Uh, I think it's a really
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really tough tough thing to have happen, to get the
right chemistry together, because you don't know how guys are
going to play together, you don't know how healthy guys
are going to be when they're there. You don't know
if the coach you have can really kind of get
it out of the players. Uh, And so the whole
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you know, now, there's easy ones. You know. You you
have you have Michael Jordan and and and and Scottie
Pippen and you have Phil Jackson. And you go like, yeah,
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like that's not hard to figure that one out. And
then you go, hey, you know not Phil Jackson. He's
a pretty good coach. Let's put him over here with
Kobe and Shaq, and you go, yeah, he's pretty good,
like and and and then you go, but is he
really good because he's had the good players, And it's like, no,
I think he is good. I think he's good because
he understands how to manage the players. You know, you
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understand he understood how to manage Kobe, like because Kobe
could be selfish, he could be kind of uh, you know,
wrapped up into kind of himself and and and Phil
Jackson is like, yeah, I know, I like that to
a point, and I'm gonna let him go. I'm gonna
I'm gonna Jackson was so great at pushing guys to
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the limit of who they were, and he's like, I'm
gonna I'm gonna let you cross that line just a
little bit. Dennis Rodman, even even Michael Jordan. I'm gonna
let Michael Jordan go off in practice, I will Purdue.
I'm gonna let him cross the line just a little bit.
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And I'm gonna let I'm gonna let Dennis Rodman kind
of be Dennis Rodman. And and uh and and That's
how I'm gonna get the most out of these players
is I'm gonna let them push themselves to the brink
of who they are. Uh. I had a conversation with
Steve Kerr one time, and he told the story about
how he was responsible to and and he didn't use
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the word babysit, but he used the word engage with
and and palle around with uh with Dennis Rodman to
so so Dennis Rodman and wouldn't feel isolated at the
direction of his coach, Phil Jackson. And and he just goes.
I marveled that Phil Jackson had the courage and the
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and the foresight to do that, like a lot of
coaches would basically told us to go out, miss Curfew,
take one for the team. So you could hang out
with Dennis Rodman. And you see that with Steve Kerr,
you know he's pushed. He pushed Steph Curry to be
the best version of who Steph Curry was. Draymond Green,
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like we hate Draymond Green and and uh and Steve
Kerr loves him and loves that. He goes, yeah, I'm
gonna let you. I'm gonna let you go over the edge.
I'm gonna let you take a punch at a player.
I'm gonna let you get technical fouls. I'm gonna let
you be Draymond and and it's brilliant and so so
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you got to find that as a as a you know,
or you or you get fired. And maybe maybe that's
the sign of a great coach is one who says
I'm going to push you to the brink of who
you are. But you see so many of these coaches now,
Brian Dabele was fired from the Giants, and I think
the question with all that firing, as a lot of them,
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it's like, how much time do you really give someone like?
How like? Because I thought Brian Dabele the move for
Jackson Dart and I saw an interesting thing about Jackson
Dart and bow Knicks from Boomer size and Boomer size
and says that I think Jackson Dart will be far
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better than bow Knicks. I don't think bow Nick. I
think bow Knicks might have maxed his ceiling. And I
don't think we've seen the very best of Jackson Dart. Now,
no Boomer likes the fiery, you know kind of quarterbacks
and all that stuff. But I don't know there's wrong,
I don't know there's right, But we do know that
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Jackson Dart is probably going to be a pretty good,
pretty good quarterback in the NFL, and when you put
him in as a rookie, it basically gives the coach time.
So I don't know why an ownership's freaking out with
some of these these meltdown losses that the Giants have had,
because that's what you're going to get with a rookie.
And again, it's that pushing that that player to the brink,
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pushing them to an edge and letting them really discover
all facets of their personality, of their talent, of of
who you know, who they are as a person. And
and if they're allowed to kind of explore that, you
really get the most out of them. You're not stifling growth.
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And growth means you're going to take it on the
chin as a team for a minute. I think, you know,
as I think through, you know, like like I was
coached by a coach that did that, Don Shula, and
he's like, what do you like like? And he gave
you that opportunity to develop an instinct to play and
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and uh as a player like you have like every
player kind of has their comfort zone, their confidence zone,
and and uh and when you you get a player
in that confidence zone, they just play and that's what
you're looking for. Just go out and play. And if
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you're thinking too much, uh if if, if you're you know,
if you're uncomfortable, if you're not confident, that's a killer
in sports, like it's just it's just a killer. And
a good coach will push you to the brink of
getting out of that. And I don't I don't think
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they all know how to do that. I know they don't.
Uh So, so with Brian Dabele, you know, he he,
I don't don't think. I don't think you know where
you are with Jackson Dart now, but what you are
with Jackson Dart now, I got to start all over.
And and and I know Brian Dable has been there
for a while, and you know, it's it's uh it's
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it's a tough you know, it's a tough, a tough
thing to continue to have patience and and but I
think there's a real question about, you know, how long
is long enough? And and I think that the dynamics change.
If you draft a New York quarterback like they did,
it gives you more time. Now, there are some coaches
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that'll do this. There's a there's a group of coaches
who coach to get a paycheck. Now I understand we
all do that, right, So these coaches are like, how
do I keep my job long enough so I have
long term stability. I have a retirement in the NFL.
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You want to coach for fifteen years and you have
an unbelievable retirement at fifteen years if you're an NFL coach.
And that's all they care about. And so if playing
the rookie means it gives me another two or three
years as a coach, I'm playing the rookie not necessarily
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because it's the best for him or if it's the
best for our team, it's the best for me keeping
my job. And there's a lot of coaches to just go.
I just want to coach. I want to be around
as long as I possibly can, And that means I'm
going to sell out a player before myself and or
a coach that goes, you know, head coach that goes, hey,
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he's out. You know, I'll fire my assistance if I
have to to keep my job, and some guys won't.
Some guys will just take a bullet and they'll just go,
these are my guys that are loyal to me. I'm
loyal to them. I'm out. And there's a lot, a
lot that goes into coaches being hired and fired and
their longevity and the strategy. But there, but there really
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are a group of coaches and I think these are
the best ones. They go, I don't care. I'm in
this to win it. I think Bilichick was one of
those guys. I think, I think, I know all of
the great coaches were that way. They weren't. They weren't
about how do I have long term stability. Now you
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look at Dan Campbell, who basically fired one of his
coaches but kept him around. He says, I'm gonna take
over calling place. And I think Dan Campbell is a
guy that's not interested in, Okay, how do I have
long Jebby? I think I think Dan Campbell's interested in
how do I win a super Bowl? How do I
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have a legacy as a coach? And so that move
was more out of I just I got to write
the ship. I've got to make a move. I've got
to I've got to make a change. I got to
figure something out before I you know, because because things
aren't right, My gut's just telling you me it's not right. Now.
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There's a there's another fascinating thing going on. This whole
idea about the NCAAA had this this whole settlement issue
with volunteer coaches. So they allowed and NCAA teams to
have a volunteer coach, so someone because they'd limit the
number of coaches you can have on a team. And
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then they did this volunteer coach and the volunteer coach
couldn't get paid and there was a lawsuit about it
and the NCAA lost. So they have a three hundred
and three million dollars settlement to all the volunteer coaches
back for quite a few years. And then in twenty
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twenty three they said, now we can have more coaches
so you know, or volunteer coach, and we actually pay them.
So there's you know, there's a situation there at any rate.
It's just it's you know, it's I look at the NCAA,
you know, about hiring and firing coaches, and their whole
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their whole thought process is, well, it gives teams an
unfair advantage. If we don't set the number of coaches,
they'll be schools that can afford to have twenty coaches,
and then there are other schools that can't afford, you know, six,
So if we limit the number, we don't have an
unfair advantage in the coaching world. And and the the
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the the court said you're wrong. So here the NCAA
is trying to do the right thing and they end
up losing a lawsuit for three hundred and three million
dollars because they're they're trying to make it fair, but
in doing so, they like, like they said, you can't
you can't like price fix and you can't can't set
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salary because you know, they basically said, and they can't
get paid. So so it's kind of I just found
that one to be funny simply because you get screwed
over for trying to do the semi right right thing.
And I don't see why. And especially in today's nil world,
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where you've got so many players changing, you need really
good coaching, and I think you need a lot of coaches,
and I would, I would. I would not be surprised
if that They've had a referendum up for several years
now to expand the number of coaches that could be
on the field, And it's just mind blowing to me
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how limited the coach are because because they need a
special you can't even have a special teams coach or
quarterback coach or you know, there's a lot of a
lot of things that they could use and I think
would be beneficial and it would make the game better,
just so you know, better coaching, better players, better product
on the field. Now the now. The next one I
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think in this firing and hiring and thing is is
Brian Kelly. You know, he followed a lawsuit against LSU
and and LSU claims that he was terminated with cause,
so it's a voids the the buyo and I love
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these clauses. As a player in the National Football League,
there's a clause conduct detrimental, which essentially is for cause, right,
so you can have a whole lot of things happened
to you based on four cause or conduct detrimental, but
it's not spelled out in your agreement, like they don't
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they don't say if you do this or that, or
like I learned how to fly an airplane I when
I was playing professional football, and I later found out
that could be determined as conduct detrimental that if you
learn to fly, and they go, well that's dangerous. Well,
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you know, I would much rather be in an airplane
flying than on a motorcycle driving. And a whole lot
of players, you know, having a Harley was like the thing.
Probably still is the thing, or really I mean you've
seen more players get in serious, rather devastating accidents driving
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their Lamborghini one hundred and seventy miles an hour down
the street. And that's definitely conduct detrimental. But way way,
you know, and so what is it? And you know
how what is what is for cause? Like did you
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not shake an alumni's hand after a game? Did you
not acknowledge them? Did you did you say too many
swear words in practice? Did you discipline a player too harshly? Like?
You know what? You know? What is what is conduct detrimental?
I mean, I mean if you remember Mike Leach and
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the whole debacle of him at Texas Tech and how
Craig James, you know, just you know he was out
to get Mike Leach. And you know, if I'm a
school I want to I want Mike Leach to be
my coach. I would love for him. I think he's
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just the most fast, and just so sad that he
passed away. But there was a time when it was
like he was a bad guy, you know, he he
could hardly get a job because he was apparently fired
for cause and and and yet it's never spelled out.
Now when I went on a reality TV show, because
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the NFL contract isn't really long, like it's pretty boiler plate.
It's pretty standard. And the fascinating thing about it that
teams try to get you. And I found this out
from my agent that like he has to review the
contract as it comes through to get signed, that they
haven't at the last minute changed any of the language
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or any of the dollar figures or anything, just to
see if they can slight just to see if you're
paying attention. And so he goes, I got to read
through these things like with a fine tooth, and I go,
do they do? It goes all the time because they'll
try to get away with anything they possibly can, and
they'll get away with it if you let them. And
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so so this whole So anyways, I was on this
reality TV show. The contract's forty five pages long. In
my NFL contract, I think I have one somewhere. I'm
pretty sure I do. My parents are really good at
saving everything, and I have boxes and bins of stuff,
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but I'm I would love to because you know, I don't.
It's it's probably maybe ten to twelve pages long, but
the the reality TV show was there was forty five
pages long, and there was there was there were pages
of descriptions of you know, fired with cause, conduct and
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it got into everything and like, you can't have when
you're on this reality TV show. You can't have a
relationship with anyone on the show. So like a you know,
a production person, a contestant, and they spell out very
specifically the different types of what is teemed a relationship,
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and they get into everything in very very graphic detail.
I mean, it's contracts forty and they're like, and if
you let anybody know that that you're on the show
before it's made public, we will find you a million
and a half dollars. I mean it was harsh. It
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was like it was a no joe contract. And so
this fire for cause and this whole conduct detriment, they
just go, yeah, there's cause and and then and there's
not a lot of language, you know, they just say, well, yeah,
this could be cause. And then and so then they
have to go to court and they have to sit
and the judge says, yeah, not really. I mean, I mean,
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is cause, hey, you didn't win a national championship or
you're kind of stunk as a coach. Because there's a
reason we're firing you. And so you know, we have
a cause, like we don't like you, we don't think
you did you did well enough. Uh, you know, causes
is something out of the out of the norm of
like coaching, right, like you you know, you fathered a
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child out of wedlock or something, you know, some something
just behavior or you were you know, reckless, or you
were whatever. So that's cause I'm just so fascinated by
all of this, the business side, of the coaching side,
of even the player. Just why in the world are
all these people hired, fired and done And it just
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seems like, I don't know, is there something in the
air in the water, But are we all just copycats
because a lot of folks are getting fired these days.
Well we're not fired yet, are you fired? No? I'm
not fired. Martin's still here. I'm still here. We're gonna
keep going until we do something that's conduct detrimental. But
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Hello, sports fans, welcome, I'm back. It's me the Scottie Mitchell.
My real name is actually William. Some of my teammates
used to call me Billy, Hey, Billy or Bill. That's
my dad's name and I was named after dad, grandpa
great grandpa on both sides, but it was confusing, so
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they just called me Scott. Anyway, welcome back. It is
the Downer Dirty man. I love that conversation about fire
and coaches and just the whole coaching, coaching and profess
sports is fascinating. To me, it really is. I shake
my head when uh, when they hire new coaches like
all the time, and I'm just like, who in the
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world is this guy? Like I just remember Dan Campbell
being hired, and you're just like, huh. And he's talking about,
you know, we're gonna jump up and bite your kneecap.
You're just going and and these guys are probably nervous,
right because they're like, oh, man, I'm on the stage
and I got to sell myself to the people. And
Nick Sirianni goes, yeah, we got, we got, we got. Uh.
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You know, we have we have systems and uh and
we put players in the systems and we put the
systems and the players and we we have and we
have systems. And he kept saying systems over and over
and he was going nowhere he was it was literally
sounded like a politician and giving you a word salad
of systems that made no sense whatsoever. And then all
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of a sudden, these guys end up being like phenomenal coaches.
And then you have Bill Belichick that goes to North
Carolina and you're like, oh, that'll be good, or any
Bill Belichick assistant going somewhere and you go, oh, those
guys are gonna kill it, and it's like, no, none
of them, not a single one. And Bill Belichick in
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New England or North Carolina, No, not good. It almost
feels painful. But he is kind of rounding the corner.
Looks like he possibly could become Bowl eligible. And then
Mike Rabel, no, we don't like your Tennessee goes to
New England and what the freak is happening in New England?
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I don't know. We're gonna we're gonna talk about all
of this actually right now. But let's let's let's kind
of jump into last night's Monday night game. And of
course I lost this game. I'd picked the Packers and
this was just this was a game. This whole game
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was a touch push. It was just it was just
a glob of just boring. I don't know, I don't
know if it was just a week for boring football.
You know, you think of the Broncos and their game
kind of last week against gosh, they played, oh, the Raiders.
That was just an ugly game. It's it's it's they're
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ugly games that no one seems to want to win,
and and it happens like that from time to time.
It's just it's they're just ugly. And when you can
win ugly, uh, it's a it's a really good thing.
And you know, here, here we go, here were two
teams early early on in the season. We go, those
two are the favorites. And maybe and maybe that's what
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this game is. Maybe these teams are just really good
and and you just have the clash of the Titans
kind of go against each other and it's a slugfest.
You know, they're not pretty, they're they're they're challenging game
that you know, very easily could go any direction, and
they finally just figure out, you know, some way, somewhere, somehow,
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a direction to go. Because from this game you go,
you really start to have questions about the Packers because
I think a lot of people are like whoo, And
then the question becomes, you know, as Jordan Love kind
of topped off the tank, you know, he is he plateaued?
Is he you know? Is he a guy that I
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think is you know, is you know, maybe he's not
the guy. And I really hate this. I hate that
I'm even saying this because I've been there, I've been
in that position. I've been the guy on the field
and I go, maybe this guy's plateaued and you don't
feel it as a player, and and you know, you
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don't all of a sudden magically become a bad player.
I just don't. I don't believe that. I believe there's
just so many things if you really thought about, like
every play in a game, there's about ten thousand things
that could go wrong. I mean, you have if you're
an offensive team, you have eleven guys, and each one
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of those eleven guys could do something during that play
that could really mess it up. And maybe some you know,
you know, maybe a wide receiver way outside, maybe his
impact isn't as great, but maybe it is, you know,
I mean, I mean you could. It just depends on
what the play is a lot of times. And so
you're asking eleven different individuals on a single play to
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do things at a at a pretty successful and competent level.
And then you have people on the other side that
are doing all kinds of crazy stuff that you know,
it's a it's a it's a shock really than anything
happens good in a game, ever, because there's so many
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variables that happen and and then if you're in a
place where there's weather, you know, maybe it's rainy or
windy or snow or whatever. And and then you have
and then you have officials, and the officials are certain
officiating groups call things differently, see things differently, and and
it's just it's just it's so hard and then to
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evaluate and go, yeah, this team's not good anymore, or
this team is you know, it's it's really and everyone
talks about this about that the NFL season is this marathon,
and it's really the cumulative body of work over a
long period of time that you can really you know,
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go in and say, Okay, now this team is good
because right now, you know, you kind of you're getting
close to that like December push and and and where
the teams really that's where teams really kind of rise
out of the ashes, really affirm their position, really make
a statement. And see, we're not even there yet. We're
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in the middle of November, so there's still a lot
of this ugly games like this moments and and and
I don't know that people realize like the the grind
of every week, it's it's it's a lot like you know,
where they take Navy Seals and they take them off
to these special training platforms and they and they do,
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you know, they do all of this like stressed out
type of training where they don't they don't let them eat,
they don't let them sleep. They're in harsh conditions, they
don't have a lot of resources, and you kind of
feel not quite that extreme, but you get that in
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the NFL because every week is a new team, so
you have to understand you have to study the team
and what their schemes are, and then you have all
the plays that you run, and all of the plays
have checks to them like is this play good against
every defense you might possibly see, And you have to
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go through every play and make that determination, or the
coach will say, well, we'll try to we're going to
try to minimize our odds, so we're going to call
two plays at the line of scrimmage because we don't
know what they're gonna run, and so we're hoping, you know,
one of the two plays will help us out. Now,
to me, I think this is stupid because it's a
new phenomenon, just so you know, calling two plays. They
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call two plays because in the good old days, a
quarterback called the play and he got up to the
line of scrimmage. You just knew this ain't gonna work,
and so he just called a play the wood and
they took that away from quarterbacks, and so they've overcomplished.
We're babying our quarterbacks, is what I'm saying. We're basically
giving them these Stanley cup bottles of water and nobody
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can touch them, and we've got to do everything for them.
And you know, and basically giving them two plays at
the line of scrimmage is like cutting up all of
their food. So, you know, God forbid they'd have to
chop their chicken up or something into bites that they'd
have to eat. At any rate, playing is hard, even
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if you're not babied, or if you are babied, it's
still hard. And then you have this physical so there's
this mental preparation and then physically, and then you have
your life and and and life. You know, if you're
a single guy, you're married, it doesn't matter. All your
life comes with its own challenges. And then you have
your family. And by the way, the biggest distraction you
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have is that crazy uncle or your parents or whatever.
Who Everyone wants tickets, Everyone wants a piece of your time.
By the way, that's another thing layered on top of
all of this is you have to get take interviews,
and you have to There's just so much that goes
into your life and it's just constantly things pulling at you.
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And then you have to show up on Sunday, go
one hundred miles an hour and get the crap beat
out of you, and you just do it over and
over again, and so it wears on you and you
kind of see this through the season. So there's these
ebbs and flows of these teams and you just go,
how in the world did the New Orleans Saints go
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and beat anyone? Or the Miami Dolphins where in the
or the Jets? You know, I mean you talk about
two teams two you know, clashes of futility and the
Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets. It's like no
one should win that game. But these teams that are
struggling and they're just like they're just desperately trying to
find a way to win, and then they come up
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against the team that goes, man, we're in fatigue mode
right now. We just we've just been overtaxed mentally and
physically and emotionally, and we're susceptible to losing and then
you have to kind of wake yourself up. You know.
It's it's a little bit like BYU playing in Texas
Tech that there's there's a fatigue factor in things where
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this team has been fighting and they've they've be played
in some really tough close games. You know, they had
to come back against Colorado, and they were up against Arizona,
they had to come back, they had to win in overtime.
They had an emotional game against Utah and they you know,
emotional game. You know, they had a lot of challenging
games up and down and and it and it finally
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just it finally just takes its toll on you, and
you just you just hit your breaking point and you
just and then you just do dumb things. It doesn't
mean you're a bad player, just means you succumb to
you know, you just have your breaking point and you
have points in the season where you just you're just
not your best and so you got to figure out
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a way. Gosh, I blew through all of this, Martin
just talking about that, and it really wasn't what I
was going to talk about, but it is fascinating. Okay,
let's move on from from that. Joe Burrow, now, this
is shocking to me. He's back at practice and there's
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a likelihood that he could play Thanksgiving weekend, which is
how long two three weeks something like that. That's crazy.
I didn't think Joe Burrow would be back for some
time now mid December. It's supposed to be another month.
And this is this is this throws a wrench in everything.
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And and the best thing that has happened to the
Cincinnati Bengals has been that the Baltimore Ravens starts off
one and five, and so it really, it really gives
the Bengals an opportunity because the NFC Central, I'm sorry,
the AFC at North and I'm directionally challenged these days
in the no it's not and gosh, darn it, it's
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too bad it isn't. Anyways. Uh So, Joe Burrow is
back at practice, and and that division is up for grabs,
and and him coming back in a couple of weeks,
my goodness that I would not be surprised if the
Bengals could compete to at least get in the playoffs
and possibly win their division because uh, the Steelers are
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up and down. And and again, as I talked about
this fatigue thing about teams and players, it's it's even
more magnified. I think with a guy like Aaron Rodgers,
you saw fatigue in him, uh this last this last week,
like and and his body knows what's what's what to do,
his experience knows what to do, but he just can't
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get it done. And it's just funny how that that
works sometimes. But it's a that fatigue thing is a
very real, real part of a season. So coaches, you know,
they go, well, we're gonna lighten up practice, we're gonna
take the pads off, we're gonna do this and that
and whatever. I don't think that any of them practicing
pads anymore anyways, So that that is a wow. And
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and it's the turf toe, because turf toe is no joke.
It's the dumbest thing in the world. That's your big toe.
But it's the it's the absolutely like your big toe
might be the most important body part you have as
an athlete, because like, if you can't move, you can't
push off, and you can't you know, create a change
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of direction. You are not an athlete. You're not. And
and that big toe is is at the center of
all of it. And if it ain't working, you aren't.
And it's just and you think alway because they named
it the wrong thing. It's like the tush push, you know,
it's just the wrong name. Yeah, you know, the bumping
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grind man, that's what that thing needs to be.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I got.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Goodhead. I'm sorry, I had a question about that. So
look at.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Looking at the standings, Baltimore and Kansas City are ahead
of Cincinnati Bengals. Could it possibly be possible Joe Burrow
gets his team back on track and they outlast the
Ravens and the Chiefs because it was the only two
teams realistically in front of them for a wild card spot?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Could they could they make a playoff run? Oh? I
mean that's the thing that's you know, again, provided that
Joe Burrow comes back and is very you know, functional,
because because he's he seems a little a little injury prone.
To me, he seems a little temperamental, you know, so
a little fragile, Yeah, fragile hostile mobile. How long do
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you think you would take? What movie was that from? Hostile?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You got me on air. I don't I don't know, dude.
Come on, you know some of the eighties and nineties
music movies. This is not this is a this is
a movie that you actually have brought up the title to.
I don't know, remember the Titans? Ah hostile job? Oh yeah? Anyways,
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how long? What do you how long do you think
it will take Joe bro to knock off the rest?
A couple of weeks? How long? How long? Yeah? It
probably you know when you're young, the way these athletes
are trained in condition today, it's not it's not that
long a game. Maybe, uh and been out that long? So?
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Oh boy? What to do? Well, we're gonna take a break,
we come back, we're going to talk about I'm gonna
flip a coin either the conference with the best quarterbacks
ever or we're gonna we're gonna talk about who's the
Who's the best team in the NFL? Right now? I'll
decide during the break. I'm confused, but stick around to
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find out what my answer is. Listen, I do want
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Speaker 2 (46:39):
Hello sports fans, oh man, We've gotten down and dirty
today and we're gonna get really dirty now, I'm afraid so,
but before we do, I have a question for you,
Martin Up. I have three. I have three choices, and
maybe maybe you maybe you're skilled at one of these three.
I don't know, but I know I'm not. If you
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could singing, play a musical instrument, or act, which one
of those three things would you would you want to
be able to do? Like a act at a world
class level act. I would love to act.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, I'm not a I've tried playing instruments. I'm not
that very good at it. I couldn't even play the
recorder when I was in school. I couldn't pay attention
or read a no sheet and singing.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Well, you know, I'm a mumbler.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
That's what I've been told by my family because they
always they're always yelling at me.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
What are you mumbling? So? I so you're you're a rapper?
You could just rape sort of?
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Maybe so I would be more of an actor. I
would like the act you know I got. I got
the personification and a big voice. Might as well use it.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah. Oh, I'd love to put you in a couple
of movies. Hey man, I could.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
I could be very good bodyguard number two in the
background taking a bullet for a president.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Okay, I would do such a good job. No, no, no,
we gotta we got it. Now. We need a bigger
role than that. You're not taking a bullet.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
I'll be bodyguard number one. I'll be the one that
falls off the plane.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
As what's your stage name I go by? I would
go by dj MK. That'd be a good one, dj MK.
Well that's a lot right there. Okay, So I I
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I right before the show started, I had this thought,
and I wonder why men spend so much time in
the bathroom, And I'm guilty of this, and I don't
know why I do. I think, I don't know. I mean,
there are times when it's necessary, but I'm not sure
that it's totally necessary for you know, half an hour. Now.
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In my professional career, going to the bathroom was was
a task because a lot of the NFL stadiums, because
you always have to go to the bathroom before game,
like it's the worst thing in the world. And you
find yourself going to the bathroom quite a bit because
you have nerves and all that. And there were certain
places that were horrible because and we were talking about
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the Bengals before Paul Riverfront Sanadium, they had toilets, but
they had no stalls, so it was like being in
the military, and it was done on purpose to humiliate
you as a visiting team because they knew everyone had
to go to the bathroom and they're just going to
make everyone go to the bathroom in front of everyone.
Not a pleasant thing. It was horrible. So wow, I
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guess we got down in dirty today. I will tell
you more about the bathroom habits in the NFL in
the future because they're interesting. But that was probably the
most humiliating thing I had. And on that note, we
are going to flush this show down the drain. It
is over. Thank you so much for tuning in today.
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It means it's our day of rest. It's the Sabbath
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only day where there are no football games on. I
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guess it's not just an NFL thing. It's just a
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Very simple. You all know how to do it. I
know how to do it. I'm old. There's been a
lot of firings like it, just it seems I don't
know if it's if it's in the air, I don't
know if it's one of those copycat things. It's like,
(02:16):
you know what, we were thinking about firing our coach,
and we saw those guys over there do it, and
we want to keep up with the Joneses, so we're
going to fire our coach. And not only are they
firing coaches, they're firing gms. It's like anybody in the path,
anyone who has a job in sports is going to
get fired. Maybe they're trying to set a record up,
(02:36):
maybe they're trying to I don't know. You know, you
know how these things go, with these copycat things, and
really it's a crazy thing. So that's happening, and we're
going to chat about that. Of course, I'm trying to
figure out, like who's the best team in the NFL, Like, like, really,
who is it? And I think I think we think
it's supposed to be someone and maybe it's not. Maybe
(02:56):
it's someone else who's real, who's not real. We'll get
into that, and of course we have kind of a
fun conversation about what conference of the power conferences and
maybe just conferences in general, has produced the highest number
of successful quarterbacks. Now, we are probably going to break
(03:21):
it down between their success in college, maybe their success
as professionals. Maybe it's a mixture of both. Anyways, we're
going to jump jump into that, and we have on
another show. Please tune into those show because it's going
to be fun. Today we got we got some fun, fun,
fun things we're gonna We're going to talk about f
(03:47):
you in in our in a segment. So it's about
the BYU Utah rivalry and it's about how each school
can kind of f you the other school this year
in the college football playoff race, Like what would be
the biggest like in your face kind of way that
(04:10):
you could just really make life so miserable with your rival.
So we're gonna talk about that and that will be fun,
be very very fun. And then of course we have
our jazz and our mammoth. We'll get to as well.
All right, So first of all, the Dallas Mavericks are
planning on firing their GM, Nico Harrison, of course, who
(04:30):
traded Luka doncic and and and he got Anthony Davis,
and then of they draft Cooper Flag. The Mavericks have
started the season three and eight. Now I would have said,
if you give up Luca, and I think it's I
think it's comical how Luca They're like, yeah, you know,
(04:54):
he's kind of lazy, he's kind of dowey, he kind
of maybe he's out of shape. All of a sudden,
Luca just goes, hey, you want to trade me, I'll
show you. And I really wonder how much Lebron rubbed
off on Luca and he got there and he and
he saw how Lebron you know, I don't know is
Lebron sixty yet? I mean, it feels like Lebron James
(05:15):
is just going to keep playing basketball forever. And I
think Lucas saw that and he said, yeah, I got
to change the body tone here if I want to continue.
I really believe that happened, and maybe he'll admit it
maybe well, I don't know, but man, Luca's hot in
so many ways, and in my brain, I'm like, okay,
(05:38):
you're gonna trade Luca for Anthony Davis. Now, there was
a moment, and it's been a long moment since Anthony
Davis was anything. You go, oh yeah, Anthony Davis. Dude
is just like dominant. Like I have never seen a
player who has kind of gone from uh, superman ish
(06:03):
to kind of can't stay on the courtish, And it's it,
and it's and he almost go It's almost like Scottie
Pippen not putting himself in the game because uh, what's
his name, Tony Kuk coach got to shoot the last
shot of a game. He just said, nah, I don't
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feel good, and and and Anthony Davis has kind of
had about a few years of that Scottie Pippen moment,
Like he's like, I haven't felt good for a couple
of years, like maybe five, And he just never seems
to stay healthy, never seems to stay on the court,
never seems to be engaged. So you give up Luca
(06:46):
for that, and and and and before you even given
him up, it's like, don't you know, don't you watch
this guy, like, where in the world do you think
he's just gonna miraculously go oh yeah, that was the
Anthony Davis. We knew, uh And and of course they
draft Cooper Flag. Now, Cooper Flag is interesting to me,
and I'm not sure. I know, the Jazz were all
(07:08):
up and high on Cooper Flag. And maybe he'll be
a great player, maybe he won't. But I think there's
still a lot more for me to see from Cooper Flag.
I think he's got a lot to prove to me
at least. And I, you know, being being on the Maverick,
I don't know if he you know, how how well
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he'll develop. We'll see, We'll see if if he really
ends up being because they don't always end up the guys,
those those lottery guys don't. We'll see how it is
now Ace Bailey, I'm not saying he's you know, a
cup of tea. He is now starting and he is electrifying.
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I mean, there's there's definitely gobs and gobs of talent there.
So we'll see if they can harness it, if they
can capture it, if if he can become something really special.
So and again the segment isn't about basketball players. But
I got off on this this tangent of them only
because like, what are you thinking, Nico Harrison. So sometimes
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when when someone gets fired, you're like, yeah, I can
kind of see that one. And I imagine it's got
to be brutally tough to be a general manager. And
you got to pick guys right, and you gotta you
gotta pick the right ones. You got to pick the
right coach, and you gotta you gotta figure this stuff out.
I mean, it's it's Uh, I think it's a really
(08:36):
really tough tough thing to have happen, to get the
right chemistry together, because you don't know how guys are
going to play together, you don't know how healthy guys
are going to be when they're there. You don't know
if the coach you have can really kind of get
it out of the players. Uh, And so the whole
(08:58):
you know, now, there's easy ones. You know. You you
have you have Michael Jordan and and and and Scottie
Pippen and you have Phil Jackson. And you go like, yeah,
(09:19):
like that's not hard to figure that one out. And
then you go, hey, you know not Phil Jackson. He's
a pretty good coach. Let's put him over here with
Kobe and Shaq, and you go, yeah, he's pretty good,
like and and and then you go, but is he
really good because he's had the good players, And it's like, no,
I think he is good. I think he's good because
he understands how to manage the players. You know, you
(09:41):
understand he understood how to manage Kobe, like because Kobe
could be selfish, he could be kind of uh, you know,
wrapped up into kind of himself and and and Phil
Jackson is like, yeah, I know, I like that to
a point, and I'm gonna let him go. I'm gonna
I'm gonna Jackson was so great at pushing guys to
(10:03):
the limit of who they were, and he's like, I'm
gonna I'm gonna let you cross that line just a
little bit. Dennis Rodman, even even Michael Jordan. I'm gonna
let Michael Jordan go off in practice, I will Purdue.
I'm gonna let him cross the line just a little bit.
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And I'm gonna let I'm gonna let Dennis Rodman kind
of be Dennis Rodman. And and uh and and That's
how I'm gonna get the most out of these players
is I'm gonna let them push themselves to the brink
of who they are. Uh. I had a conversation with
Steve Kerr one time, and he told the story about
how he was responsible to and and he didn't use
(10:48):
the word babysit, but he used the word engage with
and and palle around with uh with Dennis Rodman to
so so Dennis Rodman and wouldn't feel isolated at the
direction of his coach, Phil Jackson. And and he just goes.
I marveled that Phil Jackson had the courage and the
(11:10):
and the foresight to do that, like a lot of
coaches would basically told us to go out, miss Curfew,
take one for the team. So you could hang out
with Dennis Rodman. And you see that with Steve Kerr,
you know he's pushed. He pushed Steph Curry to be
the best version of who Steph Curry was. Draymond Green,
(11:30):
like we hate Draymond Green and and uh and Steve
Kerr loves him and loves that. He goes, yeah, I'm
gonna let you. I'm gonna let you go over the edge.
I'm gonna let you take a punch at a player.
I'm gonna let you get technical fouls. I'm gonna let
you be Draymond and and it's brilliant and so so
(11:54):
you got to find that as a as a you know,
or you or you get fired. And maybe maybe that's
the sign of a great coach is one who says
I'm going to push you to the brink of who
you are. But you see so many of these coaches now,
Brian Dabele was fired from the Giants, and I think
the question with all that firing, as a lot of them,
(12:17):
it's like, how much time do you really give someone like?
How like? Because I thought Brian Dabele the move for
Jackson Dart and I saw an interesting thing about Jackson
Dart and bow Knicks from Boomer size and Boomer size
and says that I think Jackson Dart will be far
(12:38):
better than bow Knicks. I don't think bow Nick. I
think bow Knicks might have maxed his ceiling. And I
don't think we've seen the very best of Jackson Dart. Now,
no Boomer likes the fiery, you know kind of quarterbacks
and all that stuff. But I don't know there's wrong,
I don't know there's right, But we do know that
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Jackson Dart is probably going to be a pretty good,
pretty good quarterback in the NFL, and when you put
him in as a rookie, it basically gives the coach time.
So I don't know why an ownership's freaking out with
some of these these meltdown losses that the Giants have had,
because that's what you're going to get with a rookie.
And again, it's that pushing that that player to the brink,
(13:23):
pushing them to an edge and letting them really discover
all facets of their personality, of their talent, of of
who you know, who they are as a person. And
and if they're allowed to kind of explore that, you
really get the most out of them. You're not stifling growth.
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And growth means you're going to take it on the
chin as a team for a minute. I think, you know,
as I think through, you know, like like I was
coached by a coach that did that, Don Shula, and
he's like, what do you like like? And he gave
you that opportunity to develop an instinct to play and
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and uh as a player like you have like every
player kind of has their comfort zone, their confidence zone,
and and uh and when you you get a player
in that confidence zone, they just play and that's what
you're looking for. Just go out and play. And if
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you're thinking too much, uh if if, if you're you know,
if you're uncomfortable, if you're not confident, that's a killer
in sports, like it's just it's just a killer. And
a good coach will push you to the brink of
getting out of that. And I don't I don't think
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they all know how to do that. I know they don't.
Uh So, so with Brian Dabele, you know, he he,
I don't don't think. I don't think you know where
you are with Jackson Dart now, but what you are
with Jackson Dart now, I got to start all over.
And and and I know Brian Dable has been there
for a while, and you know, it's it's uh it's
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it's a tough you know, it's a tough, a tough
thing to continue to have patience and and but I
think there's a real question about, you know, how long
is long enough? And and I think that the dynamics change.
If you draft a New York quarterback like they did,
it gives you more time. Now, there are some coaches
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that'll do this. There's a there's a group of coaches
who coach to get a paycheck. Now I understand we
all do that, right, So these coaches are like, how
do I keep my job long enough so I have
long term stability. I have a retirement in the NFL.
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You want to coach for fifteen years and you have
an unbelievable retirement at fifteen years if you're an NFL coach.
And that's all they care about. And so if playing
the rookie means it gives me another two or three
years as a coach, I'm playing the rookie not necessarily
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because it's the best for him or if it's the
best for our team, it's the best for me keeping
my job. And there's a lot of coaches to just go.
I just want to coach. I want to be around
as long as I possibly can, And that means I'm
going to sell out a player before myself and or
a coach that goes, you know, head coach that goes, hey,
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he's out. You know, I'll fire my assistance if I
have to to keep my job, and some guys won't.
Some guys will just take a bullet and they'll just go,
these are my guys that are loyal to me. I'm
loyal to them. I'm out. And there's a lot, a
lot that goes into coaches being hired and fired and
their longevity and the strategy. But there, but there really
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are a group of coaches and I think these are
the best ones. They go, I don't care. I'm in
this to win it. I think Bilichick was one of
those guys. I think, I think, I know all of
the great coaches were that way. They weren't. They weren't
about how do I have long term stability. Now you
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look at Dan Campbell, who basically fired one of his
coaches but kept him around. He says, I'm gonna take
over calling place. And I think Dan Campbell is a
guy that's not interested in, Okay, how do I have
long Jebby? I think I think Dan Campbell's interested in
how do I win a super Bowl? How do I
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have a legacy as a coach? And so that move
was more out of I just I got to write
the ship. I've got to make a move. I've got
to I've got to make a change. I got to
figure something out before I you know, because because things
aren't right, My gut's just telling you me it's not right. Now.
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There's a there's another fascinating thing going on. This whole
idea about the NCAAA had this this whole settlement issue
with volunteer coaches. So they allowed and NCAA teams to
have a volunteer coach, so someone because they'd limit the
number of coaches you can have on a team. And
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then they did this volunteer coach and the volunteer coach
couldn't get paid and there was a lawsuit about it
and the NCAA lost. So they have a three hundred
and three million dollars settlement to all the volunteer coaches
back for quite a few years. And then in twenty
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twenty three they said, now we can have more coaches
so you know, or volunteer coach, and we actually pay them.
So there's you know, there's a situation there at any rate.
It's just it's you know, it's I look at the NCAA,
you know, about hiring and firing coaches, and their whole
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their whole thought process is, well, it gives teams an
unfair advantage. If we don't set the number of coaches,
they'll be schools that can afford to have twenty coaches,
and then there are other schools that can't afford, you know, six,
So if we limit the number, we don't have an
unfair advantage in the coaching world. And and the the
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the the court said you're wrong. So here the NCAA
is trying to do the right thing and they end
up losing a lawsuit for three hundred and three million
dollars because they're they're trying to make it fair, but
in doing so, they like, like they said, you can't
you can't like price fix and you can't can't set
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salary because you know, they basically said, and they can't
get paid. So so it's kind of I just found
that one to be funny simply because you get screwed
over for trying to do the semi right right thing.
And I don't see why. And especially in today's nil world,
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where you've got so many players changing, you need really
good coaching, and I think you need a lot of coaches,
and I would, I would. I would not be surprised
if that They've had a referendum up for several years
now to expand the number of coaches that could be
on the field, And it's just mind blowing to me
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how limited the coach are because because they need a
special you can't even have a special teams coach or
quarterback coach or you know, there's a lot of a
lot of things that they could use and I think
would be beneficial and it would make the game better,
just so you know, better coaching, better players, better product
on the field. Now the now. The next one I
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think in this firing and hiring and thing is is
Brian Kelly. You know, he followed a lawsuit against LSU
and and LSU claims that he was terminated with cause,
so it's a voids the the buyo and I love
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these clauses. As a player in the National Football League,
there's a clause conduct detrimental, which essentially is for cause, right,
so you can have a whole lot of things happened
to you based on four cause or conduct detrimental, but
it's not spelled out in your agreement, like they don't
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they don't say if you do this or that, or
like I learned how to fly an airplane I when
I was playing professional football, and I later found out
that could be determined as conduct detrimental that if you
learn to fly, and they go, well that's dangerous. Well,
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you know, I would much rather be in an airplane
flying than on a motorcycle driving. And a whole lot
of players, you know, having a Harley was like the thing.
Probably still is the thing, or really I mean you've
seen more players get in serious, rather devastating accidents driving
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their Lamborghini one hundred and seventy miles an hour down
the street. And that's definitely conduct detrimental. But way way,
you know, and so what is it? And you know
how what is what is for cause? Like did you
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not shake an alumni's hand after a game? Did you
not acknowledge them? Did you did you say too many
swear words in practice? Did you discipline a player too harshly? Like?
You know what? You know? What is what is conduct detrimental?
I mean, I mean if you remember Mike Leach and
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the whole debacle of him at Texas Tech and how
Craig James, you know, just you know he was out
to get Mike Leach. And you know, if I'm a
school I want to I want Mike Leach to be
my coach. I would love for him. I think he's
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just the most fast, and just so sad that he
passed away. But there was a time when it was
like he was a bad guy, you know, he he
could hardly get a job because he was apparently fired
for cause and and and yet it's never spelled out.
Now when I went on a reality TV show, because
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the NFL contract isn't really long, like it's pretty boiler plate.
It's pretty standard. And the fascinating thing about it that
teams try to get you. And I found this out
from my agent that like he has to review the
contract as it comes through to get signed, that they
haven't at the last minute changed any of the language
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or any of the dollar figures or anything, just to
see if they can slight just to see if you're
paying attention. And so he goes, I got to read
through these things like with a fine tooth, and I go,
do they do? It goes all the time because they'll
try to get away with anything they possibly can, and
they'll get away with it if you let them. And
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so so this whole So anyways, I was on this
reality TV show. The contract's forty five pages long. In
my NFL contract, I think I have one somewhere. I'm
pretty sure I do. My parents are really good at
saving everything, and I have boxes and bins of stuff,
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but I'm I would love to because you know, I don't.
It's it's probably maybe ten to twelve pages long, but
the the reality TV show was there was forty five
pages long, and there was there was there were pages
of descriptions of you know, fired with cause, conduct and
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it got into everything and like, you can't have when
you're on this reality TV show. You can't have a
relationship with anyone on the show. So like a you know,
a production person, a contestant, and they spell out very
specifically the different types of what is teemed a relationship,
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and they get into everything in very very graphic detail.
I mean, it's contracts forty and they're like, and if
you let anybody know that that you're on the show
before it's made public, we will find you a million
and a half dollars. I mean it was harsh. It
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was like it was a no joe contract. And so
this fire for cause and this whole conduct detriment, they
just go, yeah, there's cause and and then and there's
not a lot of language, you know, they just say, well, yeah,
this could be cause. And then and so then they
have to go to court and they have to sit
and the judge says, yeah, not really. I mean, I mean,
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is cause, hey, you didn't win a national championship or
you're kind of stunk as a coach. Because there's a
reason we're firing you. And so you know, we have
a cause, like we don't like you, we don't think
you did you did well enough. Uh, you know, causes
is something out of the out of the norm of
like coaching, right, like you you know, you fathered a
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child out of wedlock or something, you know, some something
just behavior or you were you know, reckless, or you
were whatever. So that's cause I'm just so fascinated by
all of this, the business side, of the coaching side,
of even the player. Just why in the world are
all these people hired, fired and done And it just
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seems like, I don't know, is there something in the
air in the water, But are we all just copycats
because a lot of folks are getting fired these days.
Well we're not fired yet, are you fired? No? I'm
not fired. Martin's still here. I'm still here. We're gonna
keep going until we do something that's conduct detrimental. But
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until then you got us. Hey, we return. We're going
to try to figure out who is actually the best
team in the NFL. Right now, when the down of
Dirty returns here on ESPN seven hundred nineteen nfmten. Now
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Hello, sports fans, welcome, I'm back. It's me the Scottie Mitchell.
My real name is actually William. Some of my teammates
used to call me Billy, Hey, Billy or Bill. That's
my dad's name and I was named after dad, grandpa
great grandpa on both sides, but it was confusing, so
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they just called me Scott. Anyway, welcome back. It is
the Downer Dirty man. I love that conversation about fire
and coaches and just the whole coaching, coaching and profess
sports is fascinating. To me, it really is. I shake
my head when uh, when they hire new coaches like
all the time, and I'm just like, who in the
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world is this guy? Like I just remember Dan Campbell
being hired, and you're just like, huh. And he's talking about,
you know, we're gonna jump up and bite your kneecap.
You're just going and and these guys are probably nervous,
right because they're like, oh, man, I'm on the stage
and I got to sell myself to the people. And
Nick Sirianni goes, yeah, we got, we got, we got. Uh.
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You know, we have we have systems and uh and
we put players in the systems and we put the
systems and the players and we we have and we
have systems. And he kept saying systems over and over
and he was going nowhere he was it was literally
sounded like a politician and giving you a word salad
of systems that made no sense whatsoever. And then all
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of a sudden, these guys end up being like phenomenal coaches.
And then you have Bill Belichick that goes to North
Carolina and you're like, oh, that'll be good, or any
Bill Belichick assistant going somewhere and you go, oh, those
guys are gonna kill it, and it's like, no, none
of them, not a single one. And Bill Belichick in
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New England or North Carolina, No, not good. It almost
feels painful. But he is kind of rounding the corner.
Looks like he possibly could become Bowl eligible. And then
Mike Rabel, no, we don't like your Tennessee goes to
New England and what the freak is happening in New England?
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I don't know. We're gonna we're gonna talk about all
of this actually right now. But let's let's let's kind
of jump into last night's Monday night game. And of
course I lost this game. I'd picked the Packers and
this was just this was a game. This whole game
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was a touch push. It was just it was just
a glob of just boring. I don't know, I don't
know if it was just a week for boring football.
You know, you think of the Broncos and their game
kind of last week against gosh, they played, oh, the Raiders.
That was just an ugly game. It's it's it's they're
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ugly games that no one seems to want to win,
and and it happens like that from time to time.
It's just it's they're just ugly. And when you can
win ugly, uh, it's a it's a really good thing.
And you know, here, here we go, here were two
teams early early on in the season. We go, those
two are the favorites. And maybe and maybe that's what
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this game is. Maybe these teams are just really good
and and you just have the clash of the Titans
kind of go against each other and it's a slugfest.
You know, they're not pretty, they're they're they're challenging game
that you know, very easily could go any direction, and
they finally just figure out, you know, some way, somewhere, somehow,
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a direction to go. Because from this game you go,
you really start to have questions about the Packers because
I think a lot of people are like whoo, And
then the question becomes, you know, as Jordan Love kind
of topped off the tank, you know, he is he plateaued?
Is he you know? Is he a guy that I
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think is you know, is you know, maybe he's not
the guy. And I really hate this. I hate that
I'm even saying this because I've been there, I've been
in that position. I've been the guy on the field
and I go, maybe this guy's plateaued and you don't
feel it as a player, and and you know, you
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don't all of a sudden magically become a bad player.
I just don't. I don't believe that. I believe there's
just so many things if you really thought about, like
every play in a game, there's about ten thousand things
that could go wrong. I mean, you have if you're
an offensive team, you have eleven guys, and each one
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of those eleven guys could do something during that play
that could really mess it up. And maybe some you know,
you know, maybe a wide receiver way outside, maybe his
impact isn't as great, but maybe it is, you know,
I mean, I mean you could. It just depends on
what the play is a lot of times. And so
you're asking eleven different individuals on a single play to
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do things at a at a pretty successful and competent level.
And then you have people on the other side that
are doing all kinds of crazy stuff that you know,
it's a it's a it's a shock really than anything
happens good in a game, ever, because there's so many
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variables that happen and and then if you're in a
place where there's weather, you know, maybe it's rainy or
windy or snow or whatever. And and then you have
and then you have officials, and the officials are certain
officiating groups call things differently, see things differently, and and
it's just it's just it's so hard and then to
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evaluate and go, yeah, this team's not good anymore, or
this team is you know, it's it's really and everyone
talks about this about that the NFL season is this marathon,
and it's really the cumulative body of work over a
long period of time that you can really you know,
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go in and say, Okay, now this team is good
because right now, you know, you kind of you're getting
close to that like December push and and and where
the teams really that's where teams really kind of rise
out of the ashes, really affirm their position, really make
a statement. And see, we're not even there yet. We're
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in the middle of November, so there's still a lot
of this ugly games like this moments and and and
I don't know that people realize like the the grind
of every week, it's it's it's a lot like you know,
where they take Navy Seals and they take them off
to these special training platforms and they and they do,
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you know, they do all of this like stressed out
type of training where they don't they don't let them eat,
they don't let them sleep. They're in harsh conditions, they
don't have a lot of resources, and you kind of
feel not quite that extreme, but you get that in
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the NFL because every week is a new team, so
you have to understand you have to study the team
and what their schemes are, and then you have all
the plays that you run, and all of the plays
have checks to them like is this play good against
every defense you might possibly see, And you have to
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go through every play and make that determination, or the
coach will say, well, we'll try to we're going to
try to minimize our odds, so we're going to call
two plays at the line of scrimmage because we don't
know what they're gonna run, and so we're hoping, you know,
one of the two plays will help us out. Now,
to me, I think this is stupid because it's a
new phenomenon, just so you know, calling two plays. They
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call two plays because in the good old days, a
quarterback called the play and he got up to the
line of scrimmage. You just knew this ain't gonna work,
and so he just called a play the wood and
they took that away from quarterbacks, and so they've overcomplished.
We're babying our quarterbacks, is what I'm saying. We're basically
giving them these Stanley cup bottles of water and nobody
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can touch them, and we've got to do everything for them.
And you know, and basically giving them two plays at
the line of scrimmage is like cutting up all of
their food. So, you know, God forbid they'd have to
chop their chicken up or something into bites that they'd
have to eat. At any rate, playing is hard, even
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if you're not babied, or if you are babied, it's
still hard. And then you have this physical so there's
this mental preparation and then physically, and then you have
your life and and and life. You know, if you're
a single guy, you're married, it doesn't matter. All your
life comes with its own challenges. And then you have
your family. And by the way, the biggest distraction you
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have is that crazy uncle or your parents or whatever.
Who Everyone wants tickets, Everyone wants a piece of your time.
By the way, that's another thing layered on top of
all of this is you have to get take interviews,
and you have to There's just so much that goes
into your life and it's just constantly things pulling at you.
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And then you have to show up on Sunday, go
one hundred miles an hour and get the crap beat
out of you, and you just do it over and
over again, and so it wears on you and you
kind of see this through the season. So there's these
ebbs and flows of these teams and you just go,
how in the world did the New Orleans Saints go
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and beat anyone? Or the Miami Dolphins where in the
or the Jets? You know, I mean you talk about
two teams two you know, clashes of futility and the
Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets. It's like no
one should win that game. But these teams that are
struggling and they're just like they're just desperately trying to
find a way to win, and then they come up
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against the team that goes, man, we're in fatigue mode
right now. We just we've just been overtaxed mentally and
physically and emotionally, and we're susceptible to losing and then
you have to kind of wake yourself up. You know.
It's it's a little bit like BYU playing in Texas
Tech that there's there's a fatigue factor in things where
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this team has been fighting and they've they've be played
in some really tough close games. You know, they had
to come back against Colorado, and they were up against Arizona,
they had to come back, they had to win in overtime.
They had an emotional game against Utah and they you know,
emotional game. You know, they had a lot of challenging
games up and down and and it and it finally
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just it finally just takes its toll on you, and
you just you just hit your breaking point and you
just and then you just do dumb things. It doesn't
mean you're a bad player, just means you succumb to
you know, you just have your breaking point and you
have points in the season where you just you're just
not your best and so you got to figure out
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a way. Gosh, I blew through all of this, Martin
just talking about that, and it really wasn't what I
was going to talk about, but it is fascinating. Okay,
let's move on from from that. Joe Burrow, now, this
is shocking to me. He's back at practice and there's
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a likelihood that he could play Thanksgiving weekend, which is
how long two three weeks something like that. That's crazy.
I didn't think Joe Burrow would be back for some
time now mid December. It's supposed to be another month.
And this is this is this throws a wrench in everything.
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And and the best thing that has happened to the
Cincinnati Bengals has been that the Baltimore Ravens starts off
one and five, and so it really, it really gives
the Bengals an opportunity because the NFC Central, I'm sorry,
the AFC at North and I'm directionally challenged these days
in the no it's not and gosh, darn it, it's
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too bad it isn't. Anyways. Uh So, Joe Burrow is
back at practice, and and that division is up for grabs,
and and him coming back in a couple of weeks,
my goodness that I would not be surprised if the
Bengals could compete to at least get in the playoffs
and possibly win their division because uh, the Steelers are
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up and down. And and again, as I talked about
this fatigue thing about teams and players, it's it's even
more magnified. I think with a guy like Aaron Rodgers,
you saw fatigue in him, uh this last this last week,
like and and his body knows what's what's what to do,
his experience knows what to do, but he just can't
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get it done. And it's just funny how that that
works sometimes. But it's a that fatigue thing is a
very real, real part of a season. So coaches, you know,
they go, well, we're gonna lighten up practice, we're gonna
take the pads off, we're gonna do this and that
and whatever. I don't think that any of them practicing
pads anymore anyways, So that that is a wow. And
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and it's the turf toe, because turf toe is no joke.
It's the dumbest thing in the world. That's your big toe.
But it's the it's the absolutely like your big toe
might be the most important body part you have as
an athlete, because like, if you can't move, you can't
push off, and you can't you know, create a change
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of direction. You are not an athlete. You're not. And
and that big toe is is at the center of
all of it. And if it ain't working, you aren't.
And it's just and you think alway because they named
it the wrong thing. It's like the tush push, you know,
it's just the wrong name. Yeah, you know, the bumping
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grind man, that's what that thing needs to be.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I got.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Goodhead. I'm sorry, I had a question about that. So
look at.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Looking at the standings, Baltimore and Kansas City are ahead
of Cincinnati Bengals. Could it possibly be possible Joe Burrow
gets his team back on track and they outlast the
Ravens and the Chiefs because it was the only two
teams realistically in front of them for a wild card spot?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Could they could they make a playoff run? Oh? I
mean that's the thing that's you know, again, provided that
Joe Burrow comes back and is very you know, functional,
because because he's he seems a little a little injury prone.
To me, he seems a little temperamental, you know, so
a little fragile, Yeah, fragile hostile mobile. How long do
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you think you would take? What movie was that from? Hostile?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You got me on air. I don't I don't know, dude.
Come on, you know some of the eighties and nineties
music movies. This is not this is a this is
a movie that you actually have brought up the title to.
I don't know, remember the Titans? Ah hostile job? Oh yeah? Anyways,
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how long? What do you how long do you think
it will take Joe bro to knock off the rest?
A couple of weeks? How long? How long? Yeah? It
probably you know when you're young, the way these athletes
are trained in condition today, it's not it's not that
long a game. Maybe, uh and been out that long? So?
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Oh boy? What to do? Well, we're gonna take a break,
we come back, we're going to talk about I'm gonna
flip a coin either the conference with the best quarterbacks
ever or we're gonna we're gonna talk about who's the
Who's the best team in the NFL? Right now? I'll
decide during the break. I'm confused, but stick around to
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find out what my answer is. Listen, I do want
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but before we do, I have a question for you,
Martin Up. I have three. I have three choices, and
maybe maybe you maybe you're skilled at one of these three.
I don't know, but I know I'm not. If you
(47:01):
could singing, play a musical instrument, or act, which one
of those three things would you would you want to
be able to do? Like a act at a world
class level act. I would love to act.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, I'm not a I've tried playing instruments. I'm not
that very good at it. I couldn't even play the
recorder when I was in school. I couldn't pay attention
or read a no sheet and singing.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Well, you know, I'm a mumbler.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
That's what I've been told by my family because they
always they're always yelling at me.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
What are you mumbling? So? I so you're you're a rapper?
You could just rape sort of?
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Maybe so I would be more of an actor. I
would like the act you know I got. I got
the personification and a big voice. Might as well use it.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah. Oh, I'd love to put you in a couple
of movies. Hey man, I could.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
I could be very good bodyguard number two in the
background taking a bullet for a president.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Okay, I would do such a good job. No, no, no,
we gotta we got it. Now. We need a bigger
role than that. You're not taking a bullet.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
I'll be bodyguard number one. I'll be the one that
falls off the plane.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
As what's your stage name I go by? I would
go by dj MK. That'd be a good one, dj MK.
Well that's a lot right there. Okay, So I I
(48:27):
I right before the show started, I had this thought,
and I wonder why men spend so much time in
the bathroom, And I'm guilty of this, and I don't
know why I do. I think, I don't know. I mean,
there are times when it's necessary, but I'm not sure
that it's totally necessary for you know, half an hour. Now.
(48:50):
In my professional career, going to the bathroom was was
a task because a lot of the NFL stadiums, because
you always have to go to the bathroom before game,
like it's the worst thing in the world. And you
find yourself going to the bathroom quite a bit because
you have nerves and all that. And there were certain
places that were horrible because and we were talking about
(49:14):
the Bengals before Paul Riverfront Sanadium, they had toilets, but
they had no stalls, so it was like being in
the military, and it was done on purpose to humiliate
you as a visiting team because they knew everyone had
to go to the bathroom and they're just going to
make everyone go to the bathroom in front of everyone.
Not a pleasant thing. It was horrible. So wow, I
(49:38):
guess we got down in dirty today. I will tell
you more about the bathroom habits in the NFL in
the future because they're interesting. But that was probably the
most humiliating thing I had. And on that note, we
are going to flush this show down the drain. It
is over. Thank you so much for tuning in today.
(50:00):
This has been the Down and Dirty with Scott Mitchell
Sean o'cconnell. The OC is next. The Shan O'Connell shows
next here on ESPN seven under ninety two NFM. Until then,
we'll see you then.
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