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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of Utah's ESPN Radio Network. You are tuned to The
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
A Hello, talk about it. It is the Down in
Dirty with Scott Mitchell here on ESPN seven hundred ninety
two one FM. Of course, proud to be a part
of Utah's ESPN Radio Network and proud to bring you
this show. We love to do it every day and
we bring it. We are gonna get down and dirty
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today and hope you're ready. I hope you're ready to
get down and dirty. Of course, we have none other
than these Zone coach Jim Fannon joining us today all
the way from Chicago, Illinois. Jim has been coaching everyone
in every walk of life, children, adults, relationships, athletes, business
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moguls for fifty years and he's teaching them how to
perform at their highest level by tapping into this thing
called the zone. And he is the Zone Coach and
you can go to his Zone coach dot com and
check him out and you can actually do your own
evaluation of where you are. Are you in the zone
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or you out of the zone. Would you like to
get in the zone? Would you like to perform at
your highest level? You can do it, and of course
Jim Fannon can show you how. All right, Jim, welcome
to the show. How are you today?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I'm ready to get down and dirty. I got my
sleeves rolled out, and it's great to be on the
sho show. Great to be with you. Scott.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So we had a conversation yesterday and it's really kind
of stuck in my mind. And there are people that
listen to the show that fit this category. I have
kids that fit this category. And you talk about this
lost generation of young men and it really kind of
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peaked my curiosity. Tell me a little bit about this
generation and what's going on with them.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, it's really concerning our coaches and myself. We coach
a lot of college and high school student athletes around
the country different sports. You know, this generation from eighteen
to actually thirty struggles to look you in the eye.
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That was one of the first things that we noticed,
and COVID had a lot to do with that after that. Also,
no ambition, and if you talk about ambition, they're not
sure what that is for them. They're lonely even in
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a crowd. Some have never asked the opposite sex out,
never asked a girl out on a date. Played video
games in an ordinate amount of time, actually addicted to
video games, which we studied. In fact, I studied all
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the way back in the late nineteen seventies how media
can draw a kid into a cartoon, for example, and
you're just mesmerizing in that cartoon, and we broke a
cartoon down on how they did it. That's the self
cereal and Hawaiian punch and things like that during the commercials.
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But cartoons were addicted. Now it's so real. Uh. The
social media is a challenge. And so this whole group
of student athletes, and it's not everybody, but it's a
it's the vast majority of who we're talking to. And
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these are student athletes who you know, are used to
setting goals. Sports helps you do that, set personal goals,
realize a vision teaches you discipline, how to focus. Uh,
definitely challenges your confidence and your optimism and your relaxation
under you know, performance stress. But this group is not
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resilient and when they get down, they don't get up
as quick and we've noticed that and we've adjusted our
coaching accordingly to that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So I when you when you when you brought this up,
I just thought of my own children, and I thought
of players that I coached in in high school. And
what is the you talk about this? You know that
they get down and it's it's easy for them to
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just stay down? What what's the way out is? Because
I would imagine that most of them feel like ash.
You know, this is just kind of my life because
for me, you mentioned the gamers, like I can't sit
there and do that. I can't, But I see everyone
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just playing these games incessantly. I started to see it
toward the end of my career in the NFL, where
all the players the minute we had a break in
a meeting, they were often in the in the players
lounge playing, you know, playing games. And it's become this
huge thing and there's like these massive personalities. There's there's
actually a degree you can get in gaming and get
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scholarships to go do it. Is there a way out
of this? And you mentioned COVID, you mentioned gaming, you
mentioned social media. How do you get out of it?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I think the key is not to get into it,
and that really puts all the burden on mom and dad.
But you learn more in the first sixty months of
your life, then you will learn the rest of your
life accumulative. You're going to learn more information in the
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first five years. Then you will learn accumulative the rest
of your life, even if you live to one hundred.
So super learning starts early, and we coach a lot
of parents. We have parents seminars and I tell all
the parents and I've seen this raising my kids and
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now watching my grandchildren be raised. The key to a
parent is to turn your child into a world class
decision vision maker. I think what happened is that everything
was programmed. Scott. You used to go out and play
sandlot ball, and who does that today? Nobody. Nobody just goes, hey,
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go out and play. I'll be back. It doesn't happen.
Everything's programmed. I've got something at four, I've got something
at five point thirty. And mom and dad make all
the decisions. We need to turn our children into world
class decision makers. They will be confronted with some things
that could change their life in a negative way. Light,
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a cocaine on the table. What do you do? You
get up and leave, You make a decision. If your
friend's there, tell them to come with you. If they don't,
ask them again. But you must go be a decision maker.
And if you look around to see who's staying well,
you failed as a parent. World class decision making has
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not hit that group today in twenty twenty five. And
that's a broad statement and it doesn't include every single person.
But we're helping young men and women really become decision makers.
Everybody has the same amount of time to prepare for
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an event, a test in school, a baseball game, a
football game. Everybody's got the same amount of time. But
the best in the world they are prepared to adjust
and adapt, and that takes calm and cool when the
pressure's on in the moment to make a decision. Behavior change,
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just lifting my head up is a behavior change that
can change the outcome. We see student athletes look like
deer in the headlights when the pressure's on. They perform
great because they've had right technical lessons. Mechanics look great.
But when the money's on the table and the pressure
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is ratcheted as high as possible, that's where we're seeing
them overthink and try too hard force the action, furl
their brows. And then here is the number one defense mechanism, Scott,
of all of us, everybody listening right now on the show,
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the number one defense mechanism is to be mean to
me so that people that love me won't be mean
to me. What does that mean, I'm going to put
myself down? Oh gosh, I'm such an idiot. And then
Mom goes, no, you're not. You're right. Well that's all
I wanted to begin with. But I've performed in little league.
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I performed in you know, a little basketball league. You know,
when I'm young, I start to teach myself to put
myself down so nobody won't do it. And you see
Major League baseball players take their bat and smash the
water cooler, knock the phone out off, the dog out,
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And I'm like, well, there you go. That kid did
it when he was nine, that ballplayer, and no one
challenged him with that. I'm coaching top guys all stars.
I'm going in and cleaning that up, and it could
have been cleaned up fifteen years earlier. So it's putting
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yourself down as opposed to building yourself up. Is something
that in this group of people, they put themselves down
a lot. They go to bed thinking what they don't want.
We've done a study on that as opposed to going
to bed thinking what I do want. That's a crucial
game change just that. So we're doing our best. But
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I think I think your question is how do we
what do we do well we prevent this? But if
you're if you have a teenager right now, you know
communication is not the top of the list. You're you
know how you doing? Uh, You're gonna get a grunt.
You might get ninety seconds, probably no more, and then
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they'll go up to the room and shut the door
and that's it until it's time to eat. We're seeing
that pattern over and over and over again. And if
anybody here has a specific challenge, uh, you know, reach
out to me. Contact me at zone coach dot com.
We'll give you some personal tips on how to handle
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your teenage son or daughter.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So you brought up a couple of things that I
find fascinating, well a lot. This is all fascinating to me,
and it relates so much to sports but life and everything.
And that's what's really incredible about what you do, what
you what you coach. It's like you you coach people
across the gamut, whether it's relationships, children, uh, at high
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level professional athletes, college, high schools. You know all this
and so it applies, and it applies to literally everyone
who's listening right now on the radio. And seriously, folks,
just go to z own coach dot com. It's amazing
what they have there and what they can help you with.
It will it will, It will really change the course
of your life. But you talked about being a world
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class decision maker and and really that to me is
what sports was. That's what it was like. Playing quarterback.
You're constantly making a decision, and the decisions range from
how you're speaking in the huddle. You know you have
you have to have a tone. But it requires a decision,
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It requires a focus, It requires so much much. And
you're in a game and you know what the play
is right and you even get the play from the
coach and you go, this isn't a good play and
you go is it a good play or should I
change the play? Or where you get to the line
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of scrimmage and go, wait just a minute, this defense
isn't this isn't going to work. You know they're doing
this and they're doing that. But the thing about it
is you have a timer. You know, there's a play
clock in it, and so being able to calm your
mind and I always use the term calming the chaos
right where I'm in a phone booth performing you know,
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world class feats and world class decision making and world
class actions, but it always comes down to how quickly
can I process this information effectively? You know, it's one
thing to process it, but it's another thing to go
that was the right decision. And you're constantly doing this
over and over in so many different things because the
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game comes at you as it comes at you. You
don't it's not predetermined. You know, you don't go in
and say, okay, on this play in this situation, this
is going to happen. It never happens that way. It's
just it's just flying at you, you know, and you
can feel like you are drinking out of a fire hose,
and you wonder why some of these young players have
no clue what they're doing and how it takes people
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so much time to dial in. And I love that
statement about it's about becoming a world class decision maker
and that is everything, Scott.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
When you played, you did you brought out a superpower
that all of us have, but you brought it out
and that's why you were successful and had such a
long career. Twelve years is a long career in the NFL.
I think the average is under three years tenure in
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the NFL. But you had a superpower. And here's what
it is. The average person has about fifteen to seventy
breaths a minute. When you get under a little dress
a little stress, you're breathing per minute elevates once it
hits twenty breaths cemnute. Everything constricts in the body, your
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jaw clinches up, your breathing definitely is is heightened, but
so is your heart rate. And at that point, tapping
into intuition is not going to happen. At that point,
being a world class decision maker is not going to happen.
So the best in the world, and you did this, Scott.
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They have their breathing six to eight breaths ae minute,
and that's like taking a long in health for four seconds,
hold it a second, exhal four seconds. It's a simple
box of breathing that's been around for thousands of years.
But when you make up your mind, nothing, no circumstance,
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no condition, no situation, no person, including my spouse, including
my boss, including my coach, nobody's going to elevate my breathing.
I control that, and you do. And when you're trained
to control your breathing, you're going to have clarity under duress.
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But you need to control it in everything in your life,
not just for sports or not just for your business.
You know, your business may be extremely stressful, very competitive,
internally competitive, not just externally competitive. But you're going to
find the same thing. When you're breathing goes up, you
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don't make decisions, and if you do, they're muddled. You
don't have that intuitive I need to make it an
adjustment of audible. But if you're calm and cool, that
doesn't mean you're not locked in. That doesn't mean your
heart rates not going up, because when you're in a
zone state, the heart rates up, but the breathing's low,
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and it's like tapping your head and rubbing your stomach
at the same time, right But we train everybody that
we coach control your breathing. That's your superpower. That'll give
you clarity, and that's going to help you become a
world class decision maker.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So I'm rubbing my belly, patting my head and talking
on the radio at the same time right now, and
I'm doing it in just this nice, beautiful rhythm. Oh yeah,
life is good. We got to take a break here
real quickly, but I want to get into what the
zone is, like I mean, we talk about it, I
want to I really want to take a deeper dive
into it and kind of explain to people what it
actually is, what's happening to all of us, even whether
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it's in sports or whatever. We're going to do that
when we come back right here on The Down and
Dirty with Scott Mitchell and ESPN seven hundred ninety twofm.
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Speaker 3 (18:15):
Am.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
We made them all right, Welcome back to the show everyone.
Oh man, I love this conversation. I could just talk
about this stuff forever. Of course, we have Jim Fannon,
his own coach. He's been coaching really everyone but some
of the top athletes in the world, biggest names. He
can name drop with anyone. He's gracious enough to come
and join the program, and I love having him on.
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And we've been talking a little bit about this lost
generation and kind of why, and it's a fascinating thing.
And I think the you know, as we're talking about
these we get in these situations. We're all performing in
our lives and so we always have to make decisions.
We're constantly bombarded with decisions to make, whether we're in
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a sporting event, we're in our life, where in our work,
we're in relationships. And the people who can really answer
and make great decisions, world class decisions are the ones
that are performing at their highest level. But there's so
much impacting our ability to make decisions. And when we
have our greatest performances, when we're really that world class
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decision maker. We're in a thing called the zone, right,
and that's just the easiest way to call it. And
so I'd love for you to explain, Jim, what actually
the zone is. Just tell me what it is to start.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
With, Well, I'm in awe, but I've been studying it.
My first realization of what it was was in nineteen
seventy four nineteen seventy five, we were testing young children
on a battery of things and the research was on
how to maximize super learning. And this is what children
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four to eight years old, and that's really when it
broke through. But here is a thumbnail of what the
zone is. First of all, you cannot be in a
zone state without stress. So stress is good and we
call that kind of stress you stress e U s
t r E s s e used the Greek word
for good, So this is good stress. This is stress
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you put on yourself, on your terms, your conditions, so
you definitely need stress. They're stressful moments. But you can
put stress on yourself by setting goals with a timeline.
That'll give you the stress, but you did it. It's
your goals, not someone else putting it on you. But
here's what happens. Once you're in that zone state, your
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jaw unhinges. That softens your hands, and that's going to
help you athletically, help you anything mechanically. But the jaw
is always unhinged. The tongue floats, and now we have
visions of Michael Jordan sticking his tongue out when he
went to the hole. You can see step Curry through
through down forty six points. Last night he was in
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his own state forty six or forty eight. But he's
always flipping his mouthguard, so his breathing is under ten
breasts a minute. When he's in the zone, his jaw
is unhinged. You don't have the butterflies, but you can
feel something churning in your stomach. If you think you're nervous,
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well then you will be, but you're not nervous. It's
your body constricting the blood vessels. This all happened simultaneously
and quickly. It's your body pushing the blood in your
stomach from your stomach to the large muscles. So now
you have, in order to quickness, speed, agility, and strength
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the rest of the blood as it's moved out of
the stomach goes to the brain so that you have clarity.
Now you're a better decision maker under whatever the stress
that you're in. Your eye double sometimes Scott triple shutter speed,
and there's no one in listening that could actually do that.
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It will. But when you get into that second vision,
that's when everything slows down. It's you've been in it.
When all the passing lanes look like a four lane
highway and a sweep, you know exactly where you're going
to cut back. And I talked to Gail Sayers, the
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great Gale Sayers, one of the first people I talked
to fifty years ago when I came to Chicago. He
told me that he would go back and look at
film and couldn't believe that he actually got through that
little tiny hole on the right side. He said, everything
slowed down and he had a purposeful, calm feeling that
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nothing would go wrong, even and especially for him when
you had a broken play. So all of these things
are happening simultaneously. When you get into a zone, you're
initially it's sconced in the present for a minimum of
twelve twelve seconds. So that's a putt. In golf, it
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takes about twelve seconds, it's less than that. Sometimes a
plate appearance in Major League Baseball, that appearance could be
twelve seconds minimum, at least for a couple of pitches.
But the key is can you stretch it and elongate it?
And that's what we help all athletes and business people.
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Can you stretch it? You throw in social media, you
throw in all the distractions of gaming, you throw in
all the other distractions of just everybody being negative, which
the world is right now. Being in the zone in
everything that you do is very difficult, but we have
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many people that are learning to do that and are
doing that. But being in a zone in a particular
game is also difficult. But here's how you do it.
There's five markers that create biochemistry. Self discipline is the
first marker, and when you are disciplined, you have cortisol
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running into the bloodstream. That's a stress of chemical gets
you up off the couch, gets you moving. The second marker,
we discovered in nineteen seventy four that long ago, was concentration.
And when you're focused in a narrow focus and you're
in that second vision where your eyes are starting to
slow everything down, you have glycogen oxytocin dropped into the bloodstream,
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so now you've got more chemicals. Optimism is another marker,
which is an umbrella for your confidence. When you have that,
now you have endorphins chemical that makes you feel confident.
You walk around with your head up. You walk around
if you're six foot you walk around like you're six
to six. And the other two chemicals or markers are
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relaxation and enjoyment. And relaxations when you're breathings under ten,
now you have serotonin in the bloodstream. And last is enjoyment.
It's not really last, it's the end product of what
it's all about. You got to enjoy the journey. But
when you have passion for something, even getting out of
a mess, now you have dopamine, maybe a little side
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of adrenaline. Scott. When you get all five of those
markers score when they're all in balance, all those chemicals
flowing simultaneously, boom, you're in a zone state. And so
we're the only company that has the formula proven over
a half century of being in a zone state. And
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I believe and I know you can live in the zone,
not just play football in the zone or anything else
in the zone.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So this is fascinating, and it's fascinating, Oh my goodness,
and so many loves. And I know this like I
I believe this, I've lived it. I love what you
do and it has made a huge difference in my
life personally, and it's and and in professionally and in
so many ways. But I you said something, and I
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didn't realize until you just said it. You're you're You're
like a You're a drug dealer, is what you are.
And in the best possible way. You are a drug dealer.
And here all these people are going to their doctors
and they're on you know, they have anxiety, and they
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have ADHD, and they have all of these things going
on in their lives and and naturally, in your body,
you have the ability to turn yourself into a world
class human being through self medication within your own body
and and in such a healthy, in such a positive way.
And and I think you know, because it's one of
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the things that I would imagine that everyone is listening
right now is experience this, experience this phenomenon in their
life in some fashion, even if they were in a
car accident. And you know that you go through this
right and you you have. It's your body's reaction to
as you mentioned, to stress, and which was another thing
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I wanted to bring up because you know, in in
our life you talk about the easy way out. You
know there's this lost generation. You know, just you know,
I don't I don't want to I don't want to struggle,
I don't want to sweat, I don't want to work
at something. And yet we all know that that stress
in our life, that good stress, that that thing where
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you have to work at something, where you get resistance,
you get something to to fight against. It's the only
way you get stronger, it's the only way you improve,
it's the only way you get better. And here we
put this this emotional stress on our bodies so that
we can perform at a high level, so we can
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tap into all these amazing internal drugs chemicals that are
floating in our body and engage them in a very structured,
a very focused, a very purposeful way.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Scott, We've helped all the athletes. I've coached thousands of
athletes in my career. We get them back on the
field up to fifty quicker than their trainers and doctors
say by aligning their mind and turning their body into
a super healing machine. Our subconscious mind at night when
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we go to sleep, it is repairing ten body systems simultaneously.
I always say, I'm awesome. I'm in awe of this.
And you can program your subconscious for super healing. You
can program your subconscious for super learning, and definitely we
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show everybody how to do this, and you can program
yourself for super performing. We've helped dozens of people put
cancer in remission and I haven't charged anybody for that.
I mean to do that is I'm in awe of that,
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of how someone gets their mind the line and then
accelerates the healing process. And it's real.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And let me just tell you how real it is. Okay,
Because I was training and I had i'd been introduced
to you, which was to me, and and I was
and I strained alf a calf muscle, and and it
was really painful, and I was like, yoh, gosh, I've
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done this before. It's going to be like a couple
of weeks before this thing really kind of gets back
and and I can really go at training again. And
I remember having a conversation this conversation you're having right
now about you know, no you can. And I remember
visualizing myself going inside of my calf muscle and I
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envisioned taking a comb and combing through the muscle fibers
and they just needed to be straightened out, and if
I could straighten them all out, and I and I
literally just got in a quiet place and just and
just envisioned myself and these calf muscle and this calf muscle,
and the next day I was at one hundred percent
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and I had no issue with this. But and so
I know this is a very real thing. I absolutely
know this is the real thing. I know athletes who
they'll be injured and they'll somehow find a way to
play injured or it's or the injury the healing process
is a lot better.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You look at Joe Burrow, who's come back, and I
would venture to say that he's probably had some kind
of you know, internal process going on. But then, but
there was there was another time and the first time
I was introduced to you, it was at a golf
seminar and there was a gentleman at the seminar and
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I just remember noticing him and he looked half dead
and his his skin color was gray like he looked
like he was just really hurting, and I, for some
reason brought him up to you and he says, Oh,
that guy has cancer, and and that's why he's here.
It's not here for golf. He's here to overcome his cancer,
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which I believe actually happened. And that's when I just
really tapped into this. Oh, man, like, you internally have
so much power and control over your body. And I
think where we fall short is because there's another question
I want to ask you, is why do some people
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tap into this and some people don't. Some people do
it and and and figure out how to do it
on a regular basis, on a part time basis, or
and a lot of times people don't even know what
they've done, and they've done it and they they kind
of missed the boat because they're unconscious or they're unaware
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of how amazing what they just did was. And that's
what's so beautiful about what you do is that you
can actually say, hey, there's a plan, there's a process,
there's a method to all of this that it doesn't
have to be just willy nilly arbitrary. Every once in
a while, it's something that you can really harness and
hone in and tap into whenever you need it.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You know, we've all heard know thyself. You know, at
my age and everybody that is at my age in
the seventies is like, know thyself? Who am I? Why
am I here? I need to know who am I? Well,
think about this. We're at a university with one of
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the top golf teams in the country, top top ten
in the country. And I've got not that many kids
on a golf team. But there's like ten guys in
a room and I'm speaking to them, and I brought
a kid up and I said, do you know yourself? Yeah?
I do, I do. Okay, point to your pancreas right
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now and tell me what it does. You've had the
pancreas in your body for eighteen years. You should know it.
It's in there. Point where's your liver? What is it?
You've been lugging around a liver, a gallbladder, a pancreas
for eighteen years and you got no clue what it is? Well,
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who would do that? And when you think about it, logically,
that doesn't make any sense. Know thyself and you can
self heal. I mean, most of the trips to the
doctor and don't hold me on this exactly, but three
out of four trips of the doctor are psychosomatic. You
went on web MD and go, oh no, I think
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I had that, and now you believe it. You can
talk yourself into sickness. You can talk to yourself into
all kinds of things. I'm saying you had free will.
Talk yourself into awesome, talk yourself into being having a simple, balanced,
abundant life. And when you're in the zone, Scott, you
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actually think thirty to fifty percent less quantity of thoughts
than you When you're in the zone, you think less,
and you're okay with silence. You're okay of just looking
at a sunset. You can get in the zone. When
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you're reading a book, you get into the zone. When
you're watching a movie, you're locked into the moment. Most
of us on this show right now, most of us
spend eighty percent of our waking hours in the future
and the past, and only twenty percent in the moment.
The bests in the world have flipped that around. And
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that's what you did, Scott. You flipped it. You were
spending eighty percent in the moment and only twenty percent
in the future. In the past, and that facilitates super healing,
super learning, and super performing. So you want to get
your thoughts aligned. And the score system is the only
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proven system. Again, it's been around. It hasn't changed since
I talked to you that very first seminar if you
were at and it has twenty three years ago, and
it hasn't changed in fifty years. And I'm in awe
of it because it works for everyone. We had seven
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year olds used in the system, two hundred and fifty
thousand and four to six year olds used it from
nineteen seventy four to nineteen ninety six in a little
tennis program I had. We had three hundred locations around
the world. We were teaching them self discipline, concentration and
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what is it and what is it to them? We
were teaching them the word optimism. That was a big
word for a five year old and there were only
five kids in a class. All the coaches one thousand
were specially trained to coach that age, but we taught
them to mental so not just the technical side of tennis.
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And it was a huge program. So this super learning,
super performing, it needs to start early kindergarten, but it
can go all the way we're coaching right now an
eighty year old woman and she's having a blast. She
came to me and she said, I only want one thing,
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and I you know, I'm like, oh goodness, eighty year
os old, do tell I want a date again? I'm like,
oh my goodness. I couldn't believe it. That was my assignment.
I want to go out on a date. She called
me from the date like a school kid, giggling, and
she left the date that went out to make a
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phone call. She called me and she goes, I'm having
a blast, Thank you so much. I'm in the zone.
And I thought, well, that made me happier than seeing
Frank Thomas at a home run or the somebody else
out coaching. But it is forever, the one size spits all.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I love it. All right, we're gonna take another break
here we come back. And I'm fascinated by, uh, so
many coaches being fired right now, and and uh, is
there any way that we can help? You know, ads
are for getting fired general managers, college professional coaches. There.
It just seems like it's the season of firing is
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going on. And I want to talk about that with
with Jim Fann and his own coach. We'll return here
in just a minute. This is the Down and Dirty
with Scott Mitchell ESPN seven hundred ninety two.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
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Speaker 2 (38:55):
All right, welcome back to the show. This is the
Down a Dirty and of course I'll man, I love every.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Day, but I really really love this day.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And I want I want everyone out there to know
is that I have Jim Bannon, who is He's the
Zone coach, and he's caught this uh phenomenon to athletes,
profession you know, business owners, kids, you name it. We
just found out even eighty year old women. So it's
everyone can handle this. But it's so much about what
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goes on in sports and your mind and how you peak,
you tap into these peak performances. But part of part
of why I wanted to share Jim with all of
you is one because I care about all of you
and I hope that you you learn something from this
and maybe maybe you might want to go check out
zone coach dot com. And it's just as simple as
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go check out zone coach dot com. You can find
an assessment of actually where you are, you know, are
you and your out of the zone? What's going on
in your life? Uh? And and Jim has a tremendous
program that can really help you out. But I want
wanted to share it with you because I believe in
this to my soul and and and you people matter
to me and and so hopefully you know, you might
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find it interesting at least and entertaining, but hopefully or
possibly it may may help you in your life because
it can. It's not just for professional athletes, it's for everyone.
And uh and I wanted to be able to share
it with other people. I know that's Jim's mission as well. Okay,
So Jim, we have we have all these coaches being fired,
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and I was just wondering, uh, like, one, what's going on?
Like like can you help these guys? And and two
I guess why if they're being fired, maybe they weren't
hired correctly. You know, do owners and general managers and
athletic directors how do you how do you pick a coach,
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how do you keep coach? What?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
What?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
What's your take on why all these why all these
coaches are getting fired?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Well, I think when you fire anybody in business, you failed.
You hired them poorly, or you manage them poorly. But
it's on you, it's whoever hired that coach. But everybody
wants to win, and everybody can't win. And that's the
conundrum that everybody's in. And when you talk about college,
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it's not college anymore. Like you went to college and
I went to college. That's long gone. It's a minor league,
professional league. I mean, players are making so much money
it's unbelievable. And because there's so much money, the expectations
the more money you spend, the more we should win. Well,
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it doesn't always work out like that. You know, there's
a formula and chemistry. You can get the best players
and put them in. That doesn't mean that collection of
players has the chemistry to bond as a team. And
maybe the coach doesn't know how to do that, or
that they've chosen the wrong student athletes. But it's a
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big business now. It is as big a business as
Major League Baseball or NBA or the NFL. Forget college,
and this is putting stress on youth sports under that
used to be Oh, I'm going to spend money. I'm
going to do travel ball so that I can get
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a scholarship. Scholarship. Seriously, that's chump change. These kids are
making millions and getting a scholarship. Most of them don't
stay with the scholarship and get the degree. That's sad,
but we're in a different world right now. It's so
competitive and I can see why coaches are being fired,
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but whoever hired them down At LSU, they get rid
of Brian Kelly. Now they only have fifty four million dollars. Well,
that got the athletic director fired. So that's what's happening,
and it's happening at a rapid right because everybody wants
to win, especially since we've raised all this money and
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put all the money into our program.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
You talk about money and putting it into the program,
and of course you were you're from Kentucky, and I
sense that you're a Kentucky basketball fan because you mentioned
that Kentucky put twenty two million dollars into its basketball team.
And your question is, well, what do they have to
show for it so far, because it doesn't seem like
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yeah, over the weekend, Kentucky played Louisville. That's the big rivalry,
just like Scott the rivalry of universities here in Utah,
but in Kentucky. I mean, the Kentucky fans hate the
Louisville Cardinal fans, and the Louisville Cardinal fans can't stay
in Kentucky fans, so they're only an hour away driving.
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And it is well, Kentucky loses to Louisville on Louisville's
home court, and it's still you know, people in Kentucky
are wearing black, you know, the next day after because
of that loss. Twenty two million dollars is the money paid.
That's a minimum amount. There may be more that they
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can't equate to some side deals. Twenty two million dollars
have paid the less than ten to nine guys. Each
player on that team is making one point six million dollars.
And if you watch the game, you're like, these are raw. Okay,
maybe they were all American, you know McDonald's all American
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in high school, but they're only eighteen. What do they know?
And have they been under this kind of pressure some
of them have some of them have it. But Kentucky
Louisville pressure, that's a super Bowl. That's a whole different deal.
And I saw them fold and I'm thinking, wow, twenty
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two thousand, where's my return on my investment? And that's
what every Kentucky fan's thinking about. And that's how coaches
get fired. And that's what's happening around the Lakers around how.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Do you manage? Because I mean, I look at these
players and it's it just almost feels like a no
win situation for anyone. And to start with, most of
these players are a decent number of them, The really
good ones are going to be They're only going to
be in school for a year. So how much can
you really develop a team and how much can you
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really develop chemistry in a year? How do you? You know?
And then they have all of this money and.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
You know at eighteen, Scott and all of a sudden
they dump one point six million into your bank account.
Now you realize, wow, uncle Sam's taking thirty percent. Okay,
well that's I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I thought was that's the most painful realization personal experience.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Well that I don't get the one six and then
you buy your mama house, buy yourself a car, buy
yourself some bling to let everybody know that I've arrived.
And now you don't have a lot of money left.
It's crazy, But managing money, well, that's something an eighteen
year old kid has never had to do. But now
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in college, that's what's happening. And there is no loyalty
if you don't if you're not getting enough minutes, you're
not plain enough. I'll get in the portal, and that's
what happens. I'll just go in the portal and see
if somebody else would pay me more money. And we're
involved in a lot of that. I mean, kids are
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wanting to go different places. And one kid came to us.
We didn't take him on, but he said, I'm not
going anywhere unless I get a truck I wanted forty
two thousand. He knew exactly the truck he wanted. And
I'm thinking, really, when did all this happen? And then
the other thing that it really upsets me is now
throw in gambling, throw that onto the fireplace. Oh my goodness,
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the whole house is going up in flames. Prop bets,
prop bets with college students this is going to get
uglyer before it gets better. And I think the NCAA
has created a really mess again that's my opinion. But
I'm seeing it on the ground, you know, the residue
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on the ground, because not everybody makes it. Not everybody
makes a million dollars. Also, by the way, but I
mean you got softball player making a million dollars, you
got tennis players making two hundred and fifty grand, you
got golfers making a half a million. So I know
these are our clients. So it's pretty heady stuff. And
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they need to learn how to manage money, how to
save money, and they're not equipped for that. So there's
a lot of negativity happening. And these are all great institutions,
great ones, higher learning institutions, but what's going on right
now is troubling, troubling for me at least, and we're
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saying it.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, you know, the other side of the money is
how demotivating it could possibly be. Go you and I
know you, you know, when you're young and you go,
there's kind of two things that happen. You go, now,
I got all the money in the world, you know,
and so you spend it. But then the other side
of it is, oh, I don't have to work as hard,
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or I don't want to get injured, or or you
kind of kind of lose that fire. You lose that
that kind of grit you have. Sometimes it maybe makes
you a little bit softer.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Well, we've created a main, main may culture and it's
all about me. And we get young kids coming in saying, well,
I want to further my brand, and I stop, you
don't have a brand. What are you talking about. Everybody
wants to work on their brand. I'm like, oh my goodness.
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So it's if you're not equipped for this, you're going
to have a challenge. And what we do is train
junior high, high school student athletes to become world class
decision makers, to be able to handle anything and everything.
And I believe you can be in the zone and
everything in your life. Don't just put all your happy
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eggs in one basket. It's a bad investment. And I
told five thousand plus athletes, most of them professional, You're
more than a football player. You're more than a baseball player.
You're an awesome son or daughter, You're a sister or brother.
You've got your own wellness, you've got your own money,
some more, some less. You've got your own friends. And
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so we create a life blueprint for the eighty year
old lady and also for the eighteen year old student athlete.
And once you have a blueprint of where you want
to go, it really just gives you so much confidence.
Nothing great happens Scott without a blueprint. A building, a community,
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a business idea. You need a blueprint. And most of it.
No every athlete that has come to me, no one's
ever walked in and said, hey, Jim, I got this
life blueprint, could you help me manifest it. That's never happened.
Everybody comes in wanting one thing. Can you help me
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get number one in the world. Can you help me
whatever that might be, And then we have to educate
them that you're much more than this. Don't put all
your happy eggs in one basket. I think that's what happens.
And then when when you don't reach those goals, now
you're lost and you don't have the tools to recover.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
The cruel part about sports is it always ends like
it never It never goes on forever, but you do.
Your life goes on forever. The opportunities you have in
your life change, go in different direction, but you can
have a very rich and meaningful life with great relationships
if you do have that blueprint for life. And it's
just it's just amazing, and I really hope everyone who's
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listened to this today can appreciate this. Go check out
Zone coach dot com. Seriously, it's just it's a it's
an amazing place that can provide a blueprint for you
to have success and happiness in all walks of life,
wherever you are and whatever it is you'd like to
accomplish your life. I can't thank you enough, Jim for
joining the show today. Really appreciate you and everything that
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you've done. This has been the down into dirty, and
we got down in dirty, we rolled up our leaves,
we got after it today. Of course, the Sean O'Connell
shows next here on ESPN seven hundred ninety two one FM.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
A Hello, talk about it. It is the Down in
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this show. We love to do it every day and
we bring it. We are gonna get down and dirty
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today and hope you're ready. I hope you're ready to
get down and dirty. Of course, we have none other
than these Zone coach Jim Fannon joining us today all
the way from Chicago, Illinois. Jim has been coaching everyone
in every walk of life, children, adults, relationships, athletes, business
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moguls for fifty years and he's teaching them how to
perform at their highest level by tapping into this thing
called the zone. And he is the Zone Coach and
you can go to his Zone coach dot com and
check him out and you can actually do your own
evaluation of where you are. Are you in the zone
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or you out of the zone. Would you like to
get in the zone? Would you like to perform at
your highest level? You can do it, and of course
Jim Fannon can show you how. All right, Jim, welcome
to the show. How are you today?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I'm ready to get down and dirty. I got my
sleeves rolled out, and it's great to be on the
sho show. Great to be with you. Scott.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So we had a conversation yesterday and it's really kind
of stuck in my mind. And there are people that
listen to the show that fit this category. I have
kids that fit this category. And you talk about this
lost generation of young men and it really kind of
(02:23):
peaked my curiosity. Tell me a little bit about this
generation and what's going on with them.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, it's really concerning our coaches and myself. We coach
a lot of college and high school student athletes around
the country different sports. You know, this generation from eighteen
to actually thirty struggles to look you in the eye.
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That was one of the first things that we noticed,
and COVID had a lot to do with that after that. Also,
no ambition, and if you talk about ambition, they're not
sure what that is for them. They're lonely even in
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a crowd. Some have never asked the opposite sex out,
never asked a girl out on a date. Played video
games in an ordinate amount of time, actually addicted to
video games, which we studied. In fact, I studied all
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the way back in the late nineteen seventies how media
can draw a kid into a cartoon, for example, and
you're just mesmerizing in that cartoon, and we broke a
cartoon down on how they did it. That's the self
cereal and Hawaiian punch and things like that during the commercials.
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But cartoons were addicted. Now it's so real. Uh. The
social media is a challenge. And so this whole group
of student athletes, and it's not everybody, but it's a
it's the vast majority of who we're talking to. And
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these are student athletes who you know, are used to
setting goals. Sports helps you do that, set personal goals,
realize a vision teaches you discipline, how to focus. Uh,
definitely challenges your confidence and your optimism and your relaxation
under you know, performance stress. But this group is not
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resilient and when they get down, they don't get up
as quick and we've noticed that and we've adjusted our
coaching accordingly to that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So I when you when you when you brought this up,
I just thought of my own children, and I thought
of players that I coached in in high school. And
what is the you talk about this? You know that
they get down and it's it's easy for them to
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just stay down? What what's the way out is? Because
I would imagine that most of them feel like ash.
You know, this is just kind of my life because
for me, you mentioned the gamers, like I can't sit
there and do that. I can't, But I see everyone
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just playing these games incessantly. I started to see it
toward the end of my career in the NFL, where
all the players the minute we had a break in
a meeting, they were often in the in the players
lounge playing, you know, playing games. And it's become this
huge thing and there's like these massive personalities. There's there's
actually a degree you can get in gaming and get
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scholarships to go do it. Is there a way out
of this? And you mentioned COVID, you mentioned gaming, you
mentioned social media. How do you get out of it?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I think the key is not to get into it,
and that really puts all the burden on mom and dad.
But you learn more in the first sixty months of
your life, then you will learn the rest of your
life accumulative. You're going to learn more information in the
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first five years. Then you will learn accumulative the rest
of your life, even if you live to one hundred.
So super learning starts early, and we coach a lot
of parents. We have parents seminars and I tell all
the parents and I've seen this raising my kids and
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now watching my grandchildren be raised. The key to a
parent is to turn your child into a world class
decision vision maker. I think what happened is that everything
was programmed. Scott. You used to go out and play
sandlot ball, and who does that today? Nobody. Nobody just goes, hey,
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go out and play. I'll be back. It doesn't happen.
Everything's programmed. I've got something at four, I've got something
at five point thirty. And mom and dad make all
the decisions. We need to turn our children into world
class decision makers. They will be confronted with some things
that could change their life in a negative way. Light,
(07:37):
a cocaine on the table. What do you do? You
get up and leave, You make a decision. If your
friend's there, tell them to come with you. If they don't,
ask them again. But you must go be a decision maker.
And if you look around to see who's staying well,
you failed as a parent. World class decision making has
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not hit that group today in twenty twenty five. And
that's a broad statement and it doesn't include every single person.
But we're helping young men and women really become decision makers.
Everybody has the same amount of time to prepare for
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an event, a test in school, a baseball game, a
football game. Everybody's got the same amount of time. But
the best in the world they are prepared to adjust
and adapt, and that takes calm and cool when the
pressure's on in the moment to make a decision. Behavior change,
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just lifting my head up is a behavior change that
can change the outcome. We see student athletes look like
deer in the headlights when the pressure's on. They perform
great because they've had right technical lessons. Mechanics look great.
But when the money's on the table and the pressure
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is ratcheted as high as possible, that's where we're seeing
them overthink and try too hard force the action, furl
their brows. And then here is the number one defense mechanism, Scott,
of all of us, everybody listening right now on the show,
(09:30):
the number one defense mechanism is to be mean to
me so that people that love me won't be mean
to me. What does that mean, I'm going to put
myself down? Oh gosh, I'm such an idiot. And then
Mom goes, no, you're not. You're right. Well that's all
I wanted to begin with. But I've performed in little league.
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I performed in you know, a little basketball league. You know,
when I'm young, I start to teach myself to put
myself down so nobody won't do it. And you see
Major League baseball players take their bat and smash the
water cooler, knock the phone out off, the dog out,
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And I'm like, well, there you go. That kid did
it when he was nine, that ballplayer, and no one
challenged him with that. I'm coaching top guys all stars.
I'm going in and cleaning that up, and it could
have been cleaned up fifteen years earlier. So it's putting
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yourself down as opposed to building yourself up. Is something
that in this group of people, they put themselves down
a lot. They go to bed thinking what they don't want.
We've done a study on that as opposed to going
to bed thinking what I do want. That's a crucial
game change just that. So we're doing our best. But
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I think I think your question is how do we
what do we do well we prevent this? But if
you're if you have a teenager right now, you know
communication is not the top of the list. You're you
know how you doing? Uh, You're gonna get a grunt.
You might get ninety seconds, probably no more, and then
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they'll go up to the room and shut the door
and that's it until it's time to eat. We're seeing
that pattern over and over and over again. And if
anybody here has a specific challenge, uh, you know, reach
out to me. Contact me at zone coach dot com.
We'll give you some personal tips on how to handle
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your teenage son or daughter.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So you brought up a couple of things that I
find fascinating, well a lot. This is all fascinating to me,
and it relates so much to sports but life and everything.
And that's what's really incredible about what you do, what
you what you coach. It's like you you coach people
across the gamut, whether it's relationships, children, uh, at high
(12:10):
level professional athletes, college, high schools. You know all this
and so it applies, and it applies to literally everyone
who's listening right now on the radio. And seriously, folks,
just go to z own coach dot com. It's amazing
what they have there and what they can help you with.
It will it will, It will really change the course
of your life. But you talked about being a world
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class decision maker and and really that to me is
what sports was. That's what it was like. Playing quarterback.
You're constantly making a decision, and the decisions range from
how you're speaking in the huddle. You know you have
you have to have a tone. But it requires a decision,
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It requires a focus, It requires so much much. And
you're in a game and you know what the play
is right and you even get the play from the
coach and you go, this isn't a good play and
you go is it a good play or should I
change the play? Or where you get to the line
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of scrimmage and go, wait just a minute, this defense
isn't this isn't going to work. You know they're doing
this and they're doing that. But the thing about it
is you have a timer. You know, there's a play
clock in it, and so being able to calm your
mind and I always use the term calming the chaos
right where I'm in a phone booth performing you know,
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world class feats and world class decision making and world
class actions, but it always comes down to how quickly
can I process this information effectively? You know, it's one
thing to process it, but it's another thing to go
that was the right decision. And you're constantly doing this
over and over in so many different things because the
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game comes at you as it comes at you. You
don't it's not predetermined. You know, you don't go in
and say, okay, on this play in this situation, this
is going to happen. It never happens that way. It's
just it's just flying at you, you know, and you
can feel like you are drinking out of a fire hose,
and you wonder why some of these young players have
no clue what they're doing and how it takes people
(14:23):
so much time to dial in. And I love that
statement about it's about becoming a world class decision maker
and that is everything, Scott.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
When you played, you did you brought out a superpower
that all of us have, but you brought it out
and that's why you were successful and had such a
long career. Twelve years is a long career in the NFL.
I think the average is under three years tenure in
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the NFL. But you had a superpower. And here's what
it is. The average person has about fifteen to seventy
breaths a minute. When you get under a little dress
a little stress, you're breathing per minute elevates once it
hits twenty breaths cemnute. Everything constricts in the body, your
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jaw clinches up, your breathing definitely is is heightened, but
so is your heart rate. And at that point, tapping
into intuition is not going to happen. At that point,
being a world class decision maker is not going to happen.
So the best in the world, and you did this, Scott.
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They have their breathing six to eight breaths ae minute,
and that's like taking a long in health for four seconds,
hold it a second, exhal four seconds. It's a simple
box of breathing that's been around for thousands of years.
But when you make up your mind, nothing, no circumstance,
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no condition, no situation, no person, including my spouse, including
my boss, including my coach, nobody's going to elevate my breathing.
I control that, and you do. And when you're trained
to control your breathing, you're going to have clarity under duress.
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But you need to control it in everything in your life,
not just for sports or not just for your business.
You know, your business may be extremely stressful, very competitive,
internally competitive, not just externally competitive. But you're going to
find the same thing. When you're breathing goes up, you
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don't make decisions, and if you do, they're muddled. You
don't have that intuitive I need to make it an
adjustment of audible. But if you're calm and cool, that
doesn't mean you're not locked in. That doesn't mean your
heart rates not going up, because when you're in a
zone state, the heart rates up, but the breathing's low,
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and it's like tapping your head and rubbing your stomach
at the same time, right But we train everybody that
we coach control your breathing. That's your superpower. That'll give
you clarity, and that's going to help you become a
world class decision maker.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So I'm rubbing my belly, patting my head and talking
on the radio at the same time right now, and
I'm doing it in just this nice, beautiful rhythm. Oh yeah,
life is good. We got to take a break here
real quickly, but I want to get into what the
zone is, like I mean, we talk about it, I
want to I really want to take a deeper dive
into it and kind of explain to people what it
actually is, what's happening to all of us, even whether
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it's in sports or whatever. We're going to do that
when we come back right here on The Down and
Dirty with Scott Mitchell and ESPN seven hundred ninety twofm.
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Speaker 3 (18:15):
Am.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
We made them all right, Welcome back to the show everyone.
Oh man, I love this conversation. I could just talk
about this stuff forever. Of course, we have Jim Fannon,
his own coach. He's been coaching really everyone but some
of the top athletes in the world, biggest names. He
can name drop with anyone. He's gracious enough to come
and join the program, and I love having him on.
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And we've been talking a little bit about this lost
generation and kind of why, and it's a fascinating thing.
And I think the you know, as we're talking about
these we get in these situations. We're all performing in
our lives and so we always have to make decisions.
We're constantly bombarded with decisions to make, whether we're in
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a sporting event, we're in our life, where in our work,
we're in relationships. And the people who can really answer
and make great decisions, world class decisions are the ones
that are performing at their highest level. But there's so
much impacting our ability to make decisions. And when we
have our greatest performances, when we're really that world class
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decision maker. We're in a thing called the zone, right,
and that's just the easiest way to call it. And
so I'd love for you to explain, Jim, what actually
the zone is. Just tell me what it is to start.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
With, Well, I'm in awe, but I've been studying it.
My first realization of what it was was in nineteen
seventy four nineteen seventy five, we were testing young children
on a battery of things and the research was on
how to maximize super learning. And this is what children
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four to eight years old, and that's really when it
broke through. But here is a thumbnail of what the
zone is. First of all, you cannot be in a
zone state without stress. So stress is good and we
call that kind of stress you stress e U s
t r E s s e used the Greek word
for good, So this is good stress. This is stress
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you put on yourself, on your terms, your conditions, so
you definitely need stress. They're stressful moments. But you can
put stress on yourself by setting goals with a timeline.
That'll give you the stress, but you did it. It's
your goals, not someone else putting it on you. But
here's what happens. Once you're in that zone state, your
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jaw unhinges. That softens your hands, and that's going to
help you athletically, help you anything mechanically. But the jaw
is always unhinged. The tongue floats, and now we have
visions of Michael Jordan sticking his tongue out when he
went to the hole. You can see step Curry through
through down forty six points. Last night he was in
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his own state forty six or forty eight. But he's
always flipping his mouthguard, so his breathing is under ten
breasts a minute. When he's in the zone, his jaw
is unhinged. You don't have the butterflies, but you can
feel something churning in your stomach. If you think you're nervous,
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well then you will be, but you're not nervous. It's
your body constricting the blood vessels. This all happened simultaneously
and quickly. It's your body pushing the blood in your
stomach from your stomach to the large muscles. So now
you have, in order to quickness, speed, agility, and strength
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the rest of the blood as it's moved out of
the stomach goes to the brain so that you have clarity.
Now you're a better decision maker under whatever the stress
that you're in. Your eye double sometimes Scott triple shutter speed,
and there's no one in listening that could actually do that.
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It will. But when you get into that second vision,
that's when everything slows down. It's you've been in it.
When all the passing lanes look like a four lane
highway and a sweep, you know exactly where you're going
to cut back. And I talked to Gail Sayers, the
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great Gale Sayers, one of the first people I talked
to fifty years ago when I came to Chicago. He
told me that he would go back and look at
film and couldn't believe that he actually got through that
little tiny hole on the right side. He said, everything
slowed down and he had a purposeful, calm feeling that
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nothing would go wrong, even and especially for him when
you had a broken play. So all of these things
are happening simultaneously. When you get into a zone, you're
initially it's sconced in the present for a minimum of
twelve twelve seconds. So that's a putt. In golf, it
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takes about twelve seconds, it's less than that. Sometimes a
plate appearance in Major League Baseball, that appearance could be
twelve seconds minimum, at least for a couple of pitches.
But the key is can you stretch it and elongate it?
And that's what we help all athletes and business people.
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Can you stretch it? You throw in social media, you
throw in all the distractions of gaming, you throw in
all the other distractions of just everybody being negative, which
the world is right now. Being in the zone in
everything that you do is very difficult, but we have
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many people that are learning to do that and are
doing that. But being in a zone in a particular
game is also difficult. But here's how you do it.
There's five markers that create biochemistry. Self discipline is the
first marker, and when you are disciplined, you have cortisol
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running into the bloodstream. That's a stress of chemical gets
you up off the couch, gets you moving. The second marker,
we discovered in nineteen seventy four that long ago, was concentration.
And when you're focused in a narrow focus and you're
in that second vision where your eyes are starting to
slow everything down, you have glycogen oxytocin dropped into the bloodstream,
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so now you've got more chemicals. Optimism is another marker,
which is an umbrella for your confidence. When you have that,
now you have endorphins chemical that makes you feel confident.
You walk around with your head up. You walk around
if you're six foot you walk around like you're six
to six. And the other two chemicals or markers are
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relaxation and enjoyment. And relaxations when you're breathings under ten,
now you have serotonin in the bloodstream. And last is enjoyment.
It's not really last, it's the end product of what
it's all about. You got to enjoy the journey. But
when you have passion for something, even getting out of
a mess, now you have dopamine, maybe a little side
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of adrenaline. Scott. When you get all five of those
markers score when they're all in balance, all those chemicals
flowing simultaneously, boom, you're in a zone state. And so
we're the only company that has the formula proven over
a half century of being in a zone state. And
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I believe and I know you can live in the zone,
not just play football in the zone or anything else
in the zone.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
So this is fascinating, and it's fascinating, Oh my goodness,
and so many loves. And I know this like I
I believe this, I've lived it. I love what you
do and it has made a huge difference in my
life personally, and it's and and in professionally and in
so many ways. But I you said something, and I
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didn't realize until you just said it. You're you're You're
like a You're a drug dealer, is what you are.
And in the best possible way. You are a drug dealer.
And here all these people are going to their doctors
and they're on you know, they have anxiety, and they
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have ADHD, and they have all of these things going
on in their lives and and naturally, in your body,
you have the ability to turn yourself into a world
class human being through self medication within your own body
and and in such a healthy, in such a positive way.
And and I think you know, because it's one of
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the things that I would imagine that everyone is listening
right now is experience this, experience this phenomenon in their
life in some fashion, even if they were in a
car accident. And you know that you go through this
right and you you have. It's your body's reaction to
as you mentioned, to stress, and which was another thing
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I wanted to bring up because you know, in in
our life you talk about the easy way out. You
know there's this lost generation. You know, just you know,
I don't I don't want to I don't want to struggle,
I don't want to sweat, I don't want to work
at something. And yet we all know that that stress
in our life, that good stress, that that thing where
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you have to work at something, where you get resistance,
you get something to to fight against. It's the only
way you get stronger, it's the only way you improve,
it's the only way you get better. And here we
put this this emotional stress on our bodies so that
we can perform at a high level, so we can
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tap into all these amazing internal drugs chemicals that are
floating in our body and engage them in a very structured,
a very focused, a very purposeful way.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Scott, We've helped all the athletes. I've coached thousands of
athletes in my career. We get them back on the
field up to fifty quicker than their trainers and doctors
say by aligning their mind and turning their body into
a super healing machine. Our subconscious mind at night when
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we go to sleep, it is repairing ten body systems simultaneously.
I always say, I'm awesome. I'm in awe of this.
And you can program your subconscious for super healing. You
can program your subconscious for super learning, and definitely we
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show everybody how to do this, and you can program
yourself for super performing. We've helped dozens of people put
cancer in remission and I haven't charged anybody for that.
I mean to do that is I'm in awe of that,
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of how someone gets their mind the line and then
accelerates the healing process. And it's real.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And let me just tell you how real it is. Okay,
Because I was training and I had i'd been introduced
to you, which was to me, and and I was
and I strained alf a calf muscle, and and it
was really painful, and I was like, yoh, gosh, I've
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done this before. It's going to be like a couple
of weeks before this thing really kind of gets back
and and I can really go at training again. And
I remember having a conversation this conversation you're having right
now about you know, no you can. And I remember
visualizing myself going inside of my calf muscle and I
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envisioned taking a comb and combing through the muscle fibers
and they just needed to be straightened out, and if
I could straighten them all out, and I and I
literally just got in a quiet place and just and
just envisioned myself and these calf muscle and this calf muscle,
and the next day I was at one hundred percent
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and I had no issue with this. But and so
I know this is a very real thing. I absolutely
know this is the real thing. I know athletes who
they'll be injured and they'll somehow find a way to
play injured or it's or the injury the healing process
is a lot better.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You look at Joe Burrow, who's come back, and I
would venture to say that he's probably had some kind
of you know, internal process going on. But then, but
there was there was another time and the first time
I was introduced to you, it was at a golf
seminar and there was a gentleman at the seminar and
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I just remember noticing him and he looked half dead
and his his skin color was gray like he looked
like he was just really hurting, and I, for some
reason brought him up to you and he says, Oh,
that guy has cancer, and and that's why he's here.
It's not here for golf. He's here to overcome his cancer,
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which I believe actually happened. And that's when I just
really tapped into this. Oh, man, like, you internally have
so much power and control over your body. And I
think where we fall short is because there's another question
I want to ask you, is why do some people
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tap into this and some people don't. Some people do
it and and and figure out how to do it
on a regular basis, on a part time basis, or
and a lot of times people don't even know what
they've done, and they've done it and they they kind
of missed the boat because they're unconscious or they're unaware
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of how amazing what they just did was. And that's
what's so beautiful about what you do is that you
can actually say, hey, there's a plan, there's a process,
there's a method to all of this that it doesn't
have to be just willy nilly arbitrary. Every once in
a while, it's something that you can really harness and
hone in and tap into whenever you need it.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You know, we've all heard know thyself. You know, at
my age and everybody that is at my age in
the seventies is like, know thyself? Who am I? Why
am I here? I need to know who am I? Well,
think about this. We're at a university with one of
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the top golf teams in the country, top top ten
in the country. And I've got not that many kids
on a golf team. But there's like ten guys in
a room and I'm speaking to them, and I brought
a kid up and I said, do you know yourself? Yeah?
I do, I do. Okay, point to your pancreas right
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now and tell me what it does. You've had the
pancreas in your body for eighteen years. You should know it.
It's in there. Point where's your liver? What is it?
You've been lugging around a liver, a gallbladder, a pancreas
for eighteen years and you got no clue what it is? Well,
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who would do that? And when you think about it, logically,
that doesn't make any sense. Know thyself and you can
self heal. I mean, most of the trips to the
doctor and don't hold me on this exactly, but three
out of four trips of the doctor are psychosomatic. You
went on web MD and go, oh no, I think
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I had that, and now you believe it. You can
talk yourself into sickness. You can talk to yourself into
all kinds of things. I'm saying you had free will.
Talk yourself into awesome, talk yourself into being having a simple, balanced,
abundant life. And when you're in the zone, Scott, you
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actually think thirty to fifty percent less quantity of thoughts
than you When you're in the zone, you think less,
and you're okay with silence. You're okay of just looking
at a sunset. You can get in the zone. When
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you're reading a book, you get into the zone. When
you're watching a movie, you're locked into the moment. Most
of us on this show right now, most of us
spend eighty percent of our waking hours in the future
and the past, and only twenty percent in the moment.
The bests in the world have flipped that around. And
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that's what you did, Scott. You flipped it. You were
spending eighty percent in the moment and only twenty percent
in the future. In the past, and that facilitates super healing,
super learning, and super performing. So you want to get
your thoughts aligned. And the score system is the only
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proven system. Again, it's been around. It hasn't changed since
I talked to you that very first seminar if you
were at and it has twenty three years ago, and
it hasn't changed in fifty years. And I'm in awe
of it because it works for everyone. We had seven
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year olds used in the system, two hundred and fifty
thousand and four to six year olds used it from
nineteen seventy four to nineteen ninety six in a little
tennis program I had. We had three hundred locations around
the world. We were teaching them self discipline, concentration and
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what is it and what is it to them? We
were teaching them the word optimism. That was a big
word for a five year old and there were only
five kids in a class. All the coaches one thousand
were specially trained to coach that age, but we taught
them to mental so not just the technical side of tennis.
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And it was a huge program. So this super learning,
super performing, it needs to start early kindergarten, but it
can go all the way we're coaching right now an
eighty year old woman and she's having a blast. She
came to me and she said, I only want one thing,
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and I you know, I'm like, oh goodness, eighty year
os old, do tell I want a date again? I'm like,
oh my goodness. I couldn't believe it. That was my assignment.
I want to go out on a date. She called
me from the date like a school kid, giggling, and
she left the date that went out to make a
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phone call. She called me and she goes, I'm having
a blast, Thank you so much. I'm in the zone.
And I thought, well, that made me happier than seeing
Frank Thomas at a home run or the somebody else
out coaching. But it is forever, the one size spits all.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I love it. All right, we're gonna take another break
here we come back. And I'm fascinated by, uh, so
many coaches being fired right now, and and uh, is
there any way that we can help? You know, ads
are for getting fired general managers, college professional coaches. There.
It just seems like it's the season of firing is
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going on. And I want to talk about that with
with Jim Fann and his own coach. We'll return here
in just a minute. This is the Down and Dirty
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Speaker 2 (38:55):
All right, welcome back to the show. This is the
Down a Dirty and of course I'll man, I love every.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Day, but I really really love this day.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And I want I want everyone out there to know
is that I have Jim Bannon, who is He's the
Zone coach, and he's caught this uh phenomenon to athletes,
profession you know, business owners, kids, you name it. We
just found out even eighty year old women. So it's
everyone can handle this. But it's so much about what
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goes on in sports and your mind and how you peak,
you tap into these peak performances. But part of part
of why I wanted to share Jim with all of
you is one because I care about all of you
and I hope that you you learn something from this
and maybe maybe you might want to go check out
zone coach dot com. And it's just as simple as
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go check out zone coach dot com. You can find
an assessment of actually where you are, you know, are
you and your out of the zone? What's going on
in your life? Uh? And and Jim has a tremendous
program that can really help you out. But I want
wanted to share it with you because I believe in
this to my soul and and and you people matter
to me and and so hopefully you know, you might
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find it interesting at least and entertaining, but hopefully or
possibly it may may help you in your life because
it can. It's not just for professional athletes, it's for everyone.
And uh and I wanted to be able to share
it with other people. I know that's Jim's mission as well. Okay,
So Jim, we have we have all these coaches being fired,
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and I was just wondering, uh, like, one, what's going on?
Like like can you help these guys? And and two
I guess why if they're being fired, maybe they weren't
hired correctly. You know, do owners and general managers and
athletic directors how do you how do you pick a coach,
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how do you keep coach? What?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
What?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
What's your take on why all these why all these
coaches are getting fired?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Well, I think when you fire anybody in business, you failed.
You hired them poorly, or you manage them poorly. But
it's on you, it's whoever hired that coach. But everybody
wants to win, and everybody can't win. And that's the
conundrum that everybody's in. And when you talk about college,
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it's not college anymore. Like you went to college and
I went to college. That's long gone. It's a minor league,
professional league. I mean, players are making so much money
it's unbelievable. And because there's so much money, the expectations
the more money you spend, the more we should win. Well,
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it doesn't always work out like that. You know, there's
a formula and chemistry. You can get the best players
and put them in. That doesn't mean that collection of
players has the chemistry to bond as a team. And
maybe the coach doesn't know how to do that, or
that they've chosen the wrong student athletes. But it's a
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big business now. It is as big a business as
Major League Baseball or NBA or the NFL. Forget college,
and this is putting stress on youth sports under that
used to be Oh, I'm going to spend money. I'm
going to do travel ball so that I can get
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a scholarship. Scholarship. Seriously, that's chump change. These kids are
making millions and getting a scholarship. Most of them don't
stay with the scholarship and get the degree. That's sad,
but we're in a different world right now. It's so
competitive and I can see why coaches are being fired,
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but whoever hired them down At LSU, they get rid
of Brian Kelly. Now they only have fifty four million dollars. Well,
that got the athletic director fired. So that's what's happening,
and it's happening at a rapid right because everybody wants
to win, especially since we've raised all this money and
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put all the money into our program.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
You talk about money and putting it into the program,
and of course you were you're from Kentucky, and I
sense that you're a Kentucky basketball fan because you mentioned
that Kentucky put twenty two million dollars into its basketball team.
And your question is, well, what do they have to
show for it so far, because it doesn't seem like
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yeah, over the weekend, Kentucky played Louisville. That's the big rivalry,
just like Scott the rivalry of universities here in Utah,
but in Kentucky. I mean, the Kentucky fans hate the
Louisville Cardinal fans, and the Louisville Cardinal fans can't stay
in Kentucky fans, so they're only an hour away driving.
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And it is well, Kentucky loses to Louisville on Louisville's
home court, and it's still you know, people in Kentucky
are wearing black, you know, the next day after because
of that loss. Twenty two million dollars is the money paid.
That's a minimum amount. There may be more that they
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can't equate to some side deals. Twenty two million dollars
have paid the less than ten to nine guys. Each
player on that team is making one point six million dollars.
And if you watch the game, you're like, these are raw. Okay,
maybe they were all American, you know McDonald's all American
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in high school, but they're only eighteen. What do they know?
And have they been under this kind of pressure some
of them have some of them have it. But Kentucky
Louisville pressure, that's a super Bowl. That's a whole different deal.
And I saw them fold and I'm thinking, wow, twenty
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two thousand, where's my return on my investment? And that's
what every Kentucky fan's thinking about. And that's how coaches
get fired. And that's what's happening around the Lakers around how.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Do you manage? Because I mean, I look at these
players and it's it just almost feels like a no
win situation for anyone. And to start with, most of
these players are a decent number of them, The really
good ones are going to be They're only going to
be in school for a year. So how much can
you really develop a team and how much can you
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really develop chemistry in a year? How do you? You know?
And then they have all of this money and.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
You know at eighteen, Scott and all of a sudden
they dump one point six million into your bank account.
Now you realize, wow, uncle Sam's taking thirty percent. Okay,
well that's I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I thought was that's the most painful realization personal experience.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Well that I don't get the one six and then
you buy your mama house, buy yourself a car, buy
yourself some bling to let everybody know that I've arrived.
And now you don't have a lot of money left.
It's crazy, But managing money, well, that's something an eighteen
year old kid has never had to do. But now
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in college, that's what's happening. And there is no loyalty
if you don't if you're not getting enough minutes, you're
not plain enough. I'll get in the portal, and that's
what happens. I'll just go in the portal and see
if somebody else would pay me more money. And we're
involved in a lot of that. I mean, kids are
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wanting to go different places. And one kid came to us.
We didn't take him on, but he said, I'm not
going anywhere unless I get a truck I wanted forty
two thousand. He knew exactly the truck he wanted. And
I'm thinking, really, when did all this happen? And then
the other thing that it really upsets me is now
throw in gambling, throw that onto the fireplace. Oh my goodness,
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the whole house is going up in flames. Prop bets,
prop bets with college students this is going to get
uglyer before it gets better. And I think the NCAA
has created a really mess again that's my opinion. But
I'm seeing it on the ground, you know, the residue
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on the ground, because not everybody makes it. Not everybody
makes a million dollars. Also, by the way, but I
mean you got softball player making a million dollars, you
got tennis players making two hundred and fifty grand, you
got golfers making a half a million. So I know
these are our clients. So it's pretty heady stuff. And
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they need to learn how to manage money, how to
save money, and they're not equipped for that. So there's
a lot of negativity happening. And these are all great institutions,
great ones, higher learning institutions, but what's going on right
now is troubling, troubling for me at least, and we're
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saying it.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, you know, the other side of the money is
how demotivating it could possibly be. Go you and I
know you, you know, when you're young and you go,
there's kind of two things that happen. You go, now,
I got all the money in the world, you know,
and so you spend it. But then the other side
of it is, oh, I don't have to work as hard,
(48:41):
or I don't want to get injured, or or you
kind of kind of lose that fire. You lose that
that kind of grit you have. Sometimes it maybe makes
you a little bit softer.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Well, we've created a main, main may culture and it's
all about me. And we get young kids coming in saying, well,
I want to further my brand, and I stop, you
don't have a brand. What are you talking about. Everybody
wants to work on their brand. I'm like, oh my goodness.
(49:15):
So it's if you're not equipped for this, you're going
to have a challenge. And what we do is train
junior high, high school student athletes to become world class
decision makers, to be able to handle anything and everything.
And I believe you can be in the zone and
everything in your life. Don't just put all your happy
(49:38):
eggs in one basket. It's a bad investment. And I
told five thousand plus athletes, most of them professional, You're
more than a football player. You're more than a baseball player.
You're an awesome son or daughter, You're a sister or brother.
You've got your own wellness, you've got your own money,
some more, some less. You've got your own friends. And
(50:02):
so we create a life blueprint for the eighty year
old lady and also for the eighteen year old student athlete.
And once you have a blueprint of where you want
to go, it really just gives you so much confidence.
Nothing great happens Scott without a blueprint. A building, a community,
(50:26):
a business idea. You need a blueprint. And most of it.
No every athlete that has come to me, no one's
ever walked in and said, hey, Jim, I got this
life blueprint, could you help me manifest it. That's never happened.
Everybody comes in wanting one thing. Can you help me
(50:47):
get number one in the world. Can you help me
whatever that might be, And then we have to educate
them that you're much more than this. Don't put all
your happy eggs in one basket. I think that's what happens.
And then when when you don't reach those goals, now
you're lost and you don't have the tools to recover.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
The cruel part about sports is it always ends like
it never It never goes on forever, but you do.
Your life goes on forever. The opportunities you have in
your life change, go in different direction, but you can
have a very rich and meaningful life with great relationships
if you do have that blueprint for life. And it's
just it's just amazing, and I really hope everyone who's
(51:32):
listened to this today can appreciate this. Go check out
Zone coach dot com. Seriously, it's just it's a it's
an amazing place that can provide a blueprint for you
to have success and happiness in all walks of life,
wherever you are and whatever it is you'd like to
accomplish your life. I can't thank you enough, Jim for
joining the show today. Really appreciate you and everything that
(51:54):
you've done. This has been the down into dirty, and
we got down in dirty, we rolled up our leaves,
we got after it today. Of course, the Sean O'Connell
shows next here on ESPN seven hundred ninety two one FM.
Until then, we'll see you then.
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