The former Utah Linebacker on the latest CFP rankings, Is there still a path to an at large bid for the Utes (?), Utah at Baylor on Saturday + more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Peas, not Sean O'Connell's show. You were home of the
best inside of your huge Let's get back to woe.
See from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred
ninety one. Af Am.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Sean O'Connell's show here on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two,
and at man, we're lucky enough to welcome the most
interesting man on the planet, Trevor Riley back here in
studio with us. He's been on the road, he's been
doing his thing. He's been hustling and bustling, that's what
he does. But now he's back.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Aaron salt Lake said he plenty to talk about with
this Utah football team. Trevor Riley, how are you.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I'm great. I'm really happy to be I just got in.
I flew in at eleven thirty, be here on time.
And you know, I like seeing you. I told you
off air there's no way you didn't go to church.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
As a kid.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
I like your character, I like your resume. Nice you
to say so. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well, well, James is a holy man. I mean, James E.
Faust over here. This is a holy man. Okay, the.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is Peterson like it's a pseudonym. That's that's that's not
your real name. You've just that's your stage name.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
He's James Faust.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Uh So, man, there's a lot to talk about with
this Utah football team coming off of bye week, you know,
getting a little bit healthier, we know, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
That's great, good to see.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Uh The more interesting thing right now is the way
that Utah football is being perceived by this College Football
Playoff committee and by the you know, the Big twelves
perception in their eyes as well. Sitting now two weeks
in a row at number thirteen. Now it is a
twelve team playoff, but because of the structure of this
twelve team playoff, what Utah really needs is to be
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inside the top ten, whether as a runner up in
the Big twelve conference obviously if you're at the conference champion,
you end up automatically and as potentially an at large bid.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
They got to climb. It's a tantalizing close.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Trevor, three spots away from that magic ten spot, and
I wanted to know your thoughts on the matter.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I would say b YU and Texas Tech are definitely
the driver's seat in the conference, which has a huge
implication on our final ranking. Yes, it's gonna be hard
for another Big twelve team to really make that large bid.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Sure, so it doesn't mean it's impossible. I think it
may happen.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But we also got a battle areas of a state
who's training upwards, and if they end the season with
two losses, right, regardless if who gets into that play
or that they are the Big Twelve playoff or whatever,
you know, the championship game, you know, there's a lot
of heat there, and we beat them without their quarterback, right,
everyone needs to remind remember that they they're going to
take an asterisk on that loss to Utah. I would say,
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not a big one, but a small asteriss there. And
it was early in the season.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, now they're quarterbacks out, so for them to finish strong,
they're doing it with the guy that you got.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And I should have maybe known that before I said that. Okay,
I didn't even know that. Yeah, so Sam's this is
I'm glad, sorry to waste everybody's time with that.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
No, I was just thinking about that as we beat
them like this, isn't the same team I saw last year.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And look, Levitt came back in and Levitt's the reason
they beat Texas Tech. Levit is the reason that Arizona
State beat text Attack.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
One killed them.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And then he gets hurt, and then Sims, who look,
let's be honest, against Utah didn't look like much. Sims
immediately after Levitt goes down, goes out and sets an
Arizona State record with like ninety rushing yards or something.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Insane. Yep, they took the jersey.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
They literally took the jersey off him from the game,
all grass stained and painted all over and stuff like that,
and they put it on a frame and they hung
it in the Arizona State Football Complex that they show
to the recruits.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It's already in there.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He had a great game, So he's being thought of
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Okay, so maybe the first game, you know, filling in
that could be saved to take there a little bit.
But I'm just saying there's a lot of action here
sure that we don't I don't even like talking about
unless if BYU or eat Tech Sex loses. If I
don't see either of them lose. You know, every week.
You know we're gonna see this fix. So everything's predicated
upon those two teams, that's.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
All, you know. To qualify. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
For us with two losses to slide in there without
getting into that playoff or championship game.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I'm see this is where I I my my crimson
tinted glasses are affecting me. Here, I see a path
that's almost as clear by not getting into the conference
championship game because of what the committee has showed us. Right,
that's fair because if the committee had Utah at sixteen,
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or had Texas Tech after beating BYU at like seven
or eight, still, they put Texas Tech, and they said,
we like this Big twelve conference, and we like BYU
so much, and we like your win over Utah so
much that you are leapfrogging Oregon, the Oregon Ducks, who
just came off and win against Iowa, a ranked team.
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We're gonna leapfrog you over Oregon, and we're going going
to tell everyone in the country that you're better than
old Miss as Well, who's.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
One of these like darlings in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So they said, Texas Tech, that's how much we love
you right now, and Texas Tech is going to be
in the conference championship game.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Who do they have left on the season?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
They have UCF and West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
So that's those are scrimmages and ole Miss has who
ole Miss is going to have some heat down there.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Ole Missus schedule lays out really nice for them as well,
so that's good for us. Then they've got they've got
Citadel and they played them Florida.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
And Mississippi State to finish.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
So you know those are Florida fired their coach in State.
You know, that's a tough place to play, but they
just got beat by BAM I think, and yeah, okay,
so that they're they're there, they're going to be in
a nice spot.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
So Ole Miss is going to be in a really
nice spot.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
In the Big Ten as far as the Big Ten goes,
right the team that threat who's the is s C
still have two losses?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Are they still alive?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So us C is the interesting one here because USC
plays Oregon.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's a big one.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So USC number seventeen right now, they're a two loss team.
USC is a two loss team that has an opportunity
against Oregon, who right now is a top ten team. Also,
USC this week has Iowa, who's still in the rankings.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And that's another thing that no one wants to play them,
right they might pull they can beat anybody on any Saturday.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It seems like so USC is at seventeen right now.
But let's say it goes exactly how USC wants it
to go. They beat Iowa, who's number twenty one in
the country right now according to the College Football Playoff Committee,
and then they beat Oregon. USC is a team that
you're like, uh so you're in.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Dude, what you're getting in what you want and Iowa.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
What you want.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
If you're a Utah fans, you want Iowa to beat
USC and then USC to beat Oregon.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I mean, okay, so if they win those, are they
in the Big Ten Championship game? I assume they are, right.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, because it's in Ohio State and Indiana.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
So then yeah, that's going to be tough. Dude, that
that plays well. I mean, I mean, that's a lot
of what if. So they got to beat two great teams.
But there's a lot of action there, right I just but.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Now listen, like, let's play the whole thing out. We
talked about this earlier in the show. Like, so from
the teams coming from behind you that can really ruin
your day are Vanderbilt, who still is right behind Utah
right now and right behind Byu.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Love the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Vanderbilt is one of the darling stories in the country
right now.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
We offered him at Jackson, Nobody wanted him at Animi
nobody three years ago, Man.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Quarterback, you offered Diego Pavia.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yes, we almost had him on campus. Wow, we had him.
Nobody wanted him. He was a Mexican kid who was
out there playing ja jucoball at playing quarterback. It's a
great story.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
He's a great story.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
They've got Kentucky and then a ranked Tennessee team to
finish the year. So, uh, there's the potential if you
don't look impressive, even if you win out. We're assuming
that both BYU and Utah are going to win out. Okay,
and if you're Utah, especially Vanderbilts right there behind you,
win over Tennessee is more impressive than any win. You
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have the opportunity to get on the remainder of your roster.
Miami still has n C State Miami's at number fifteen.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
They're right behind Vandy.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Right now, they've got n C State, They've got road
game against Virginia Tech.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
That means nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And then we'll see what happens with Pitt because Pitt's
got Notre Dame this week. Right now, they're twenty two.
If pitt can beat Notre Dame, then they're probably eighteen.
And if Miami can beat Pitt or Pitt can beat Miami,
now we're talking about another impressive resume builder.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
And then Virginia, right Virginia is gonna or they're slated
to be the automatic qualifier out of that conference right.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Now, Virginia is their duke, Virginia Tech. So look, the
ACC is getting one team. The committee has told us
conference champion from the ACC is getting in and nobody
else's That's how I'm reading this because Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Louisville,
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they're all kind of in the hunt still, as is Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
But do you want to know something is when you
look at the offer sheet of players, go going on
three and look at the offer sheet, and you can
see exactly what you're talking about. There's a group of
offers right that end at about that point in the seed.
Then you don't get the other power for but they
grew up in with Nevada. You know, I'm talking about
Georgia Southern that that group of five things, So I
could buy that. I only the ACC does not have
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a threatening team. Miami is trending downwards like they've They
have not looked well good the last two weeks in Pittsburgh.
Nobody's seen him, I mean not really.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
So Georgia Tech, it's they're a one loss team.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And that's interesting because Georgia Tech's got Boston College, They've
got a ranked pit team yep, and then they've got Georgia. Look,
I don't think Haines King with all his glory, is
going to beat Georgia.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Was that last year or a couple of years ago
they beat them? And was that they were close one time.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So Georgia Tech is a one loss team with a
win over Georgia at the end the year, that could
be a big problem. But again, if that's the case
with Georgia Tech there they didn't have an ACC championship game,
they probably get in as the automatic qualifier. I mean,
if you if you lose the ACC champion, if you're
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Georgia Tech. You lose the ACC championship game. After beating Georgia,
you still have a pretty strong case.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Asn't that large?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, absolutely lose both. You're probably not getting in obviously
with three losses.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
So those are the teams behind you.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think that can threaten you, and I put USC
in that category. The teams in front of you that
I think are gonna get out of the way at
some point are Texas at Oklahoma and Texas is ten
Oklahoma's eleven. Texas has two really really tough games on
the schedule. Texas is sitting here with Georgia on the
road this week and then Arkansas and they finish at
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home against Texas A and M oh my gosh. So
Texas ain't winning. I think I think they're losing two
their final three is what I think.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
If they win at either A and M or excuse me,
against A and M or at Georgia, now that really
convolutes things because george is not going to drop all
the way out of the top ten and Texas is
gonna then you know those two teams will be ranked
like seven and eight then or six and seven then,
and that.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
That would be something that they beat both those guys. Man,
Oklahoma goes and beats those guys.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That'd be wild. Oklahoma's got Alabama this week, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh my good. And the way they ranked third or fourth.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Fourth, Alabama's fourth, and that's in Tuscaloosa. So Oklahoma finishing
out with Bama, Missouri, LSU doesn't feel like Oklahoma is
going to be sitting above BYU and Utah when it's
all said and.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Downe there's a lot of these like paramount games, you know,
you know, Texas against Georgia, that's gonna be a great game.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
But I would say if Texas beats.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Them, just to go back to that, that A and
M Texas game is gonna be unblieable. A and M
is probably already going to be slated into the SEC
championship game.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I assume they are the lone undefeated SEC team.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
That would be interesting if they sat some players and
now it got interesting because then Texas hasn't easy. I mean,
not that they necessarily would, but I'm just saying, if
you're already slated, just like the old thing, why would
you play in week seventeen?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Right if you already but got a buy or something yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I mean, so this whole thing, the whole landscape, is
interesting because so many dominoes have to fall right, and
this is why we love sports. You know, I'm a
little more pessimistic because I think there's an East Coast
by still when it comes to college football.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
There absolutely is.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
When I walked in, we got that big giant TV
right as you walk in here, it was Doug Fine
Bob's ugly mug on the television on ESPN on Sports Center,
and the question scrolling along the bottom of the screen
was does the SEC deserve six teams in the playoff?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
They're not asking that about the Big twelve. They're not
almost like lobbying. They're lobbying to television. That guy used
to do local radios maybe in Alabama. He's an SEC guys,
how he's made his entire living other of theirs. And
to your point, it's propaganda. You know, you hear it
on the West Coast and they don't watch the games,
like eight o'clock, eight o'clock kickoff? Are they watching that game?
I used to live out there. I was falling asleep.
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Guys watching the playing for the Jets, watching the youths play.
You fall asleep at halftime or cut quarter in. It's
we know that's all the case.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So there's all these convoluted scenarios that could play out.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
It's fun to talk about them.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
But at the end of the day, what Utah has
got to do is they've got to go out there
and they've got to.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Win the games in front of him.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yes, Now, this Baylor team is one of the most
prolific passing offenses that Utah is gonna face all year.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
They've been good against the pass. The youths have. Uh,
is there any danger in Waco, Texas in your mind?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Absolutely? Dave Randa is the second or top top top
shelf coach, right, second to none. He is a defensive mastermind,
right And when he has this, I mean he's best
friends Andy Ludwig.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
They vacation together. Okay. Andy is a very detail oriented
human being. And this is a very.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Serious coach, all right, so serious that he's had to
loosen it up a little bit. And I say this again,
Baylor's a basketball school that's finding it's playing football.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And Aranda he's deadly Okay, he used to be at LSU.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
He's won a lot of games, and he's very familiar
with coach Whittingham through the years, and so it's always
gonna it's gonna be, you know, I look at that way.
Arranda's a west He cut his teeth on the West coast,
and so he's this is this is like going home
for him, I think, or home coming to him for I.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Guess Baylor.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Three hundred and thirteen yards a game through the air.
They are a very potent passing offense. Now in the
run game, they're twelfth in the Big Twelve Conference at
one hundred and forty one yards a game. Utah, of course,
is the number one passing defense in the league right now.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They give up almost exactly half as many yards per
game as Baylor passes for per game. So if some
thing's got to give there, you would imagine that this
is one of the key matchups in the in the contest.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
I think there's gonna be a lot of NFL scouts there,
or maybe there won't be, but they'll be watching the game.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
You get this matchup receiver and corner, it's lining up
right a passing offense. Our corners and safeties have played
tremendous sands the b YU or whatever game five, had
a just horrific game. He's had a bounce back and
played fantastic the last couple of weeks. Okay, and so
we've really responded. I think that, you know, the coordination
has been you know, he's been fantastic as usual. I was,
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you know, you hate to say as usual, see, because
it's been so awesome. Right, we should give him more flowers.
They should be getting more flowers. They're doing such a
great job. So, I know, to wrap it up, I
think Baylor is a team that can beat anybody. When
you can throw for that much power and you've got
a great coach who's defensive minded.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's and you're on the road. I mean, that's a
tough game.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Now, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
The pass rush that makes it really really difficult to
get to him because a he can run, be he
makes decisions very very quickly. Utah's pass rush still found
ways to kind of harass him and cause him problems.
Didn't get sacks and get big numbers there. He didn't
get him down the same way you did against Colorado
of the week before. Now, one of the dangerous for
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Baylor in a game like this one is if you're
going to butter your bread passing the ball, you got
to be back there, and you got to be there's
multiple dropbacks in this game. Their offensive line has done
a decent job, but they have given up sixteen sacks
so far on the year, and Utah right now is
the second best pass rush in the Big twelve Conference.
I think that is also a matchup where you know,
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John henry Day, I think at half a sack last game,
he's still top ten in the countries at nine and
a half sacks on the year.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
How much is he going to go for next year? Okay?
What's he worth?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
A lot?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I'm serious, what do you think over undred a million?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Over?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
So?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Okay, that's about what our quarterback makes. I can pay him.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
The idea is if you have a successful program, and
we're talking about a conference championship contending program, right, the
hope is that some of this comes out of.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
The woodwork, you know what. Oh see, I'm with you
on that. I'm all in on that on that take
because I agree with you on that, like that's our
only we have to we havess success, get.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Success in every in every aspect of life. Right.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It's it's kind of like this, this great oxymore than
any of you have probably experienced. If you've been on
the job market, if you've been out of a job,
you cannot find a job to save your life, whatever
field you are in, and you're like, you get fired
or your company goes under, You're just like, oh my gosh,
I need a job so bad, and it takes months
for you to find the next thing. Then you you
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get into a job where you're in the job for
a couple of years and suddenly comes somebody comes to
you and says, hey, I'd like to hire you over here. Instead,
you're like, oh, I got a job. I don't need
this job offer. Now, where were you two years ago
on the breadline. It's kind of like that, right when
you get these wins, Suddenly people want to be associated
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with those wins. Companies want to be like, you know what, Look,
everyone's talking about Utah football, everyone's talking about BYU football.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I see this.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Okay, you're a former player, you're a fan, you're analyst,
a critic. Sure, what if we source the money like
the Packers?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
We should? Why not?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
We should source money? We could, we could crowdsource it,
but we need to find alternative routes. I'm saying there's
all types of options, but really what you're talking about
is as a collective unit.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Right where we talked about businesses. There's other ways too,
you know.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I there's other if we can get hot here, we
can get rallies, and we can get sweeps, we can
get stuff going to.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Get the fans involved.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I think when I see them in that stadium full
every Saturday for how many years? Now? Is it twenty
years of sellouts like that? Fifty five thousand? We got
enough juice. Whe if we took ten bucks a month
from half the people, right, that's going to pay a
lot of bills, guys, two and a half million dollars.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You know, that's a lot of too, one hundred fifty thousand.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
If you can do things, as you know, we might
have to be a little more communal here as we
get down. These bills are due now, OC and I'm
dragging on here because the bills are due January.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Okay, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
More times we win and these guys play, well you
just said it. They're probably their value and we gotta
have a hard time keeping these.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, there's the flip side of the coin, right, the
flip side of the coin is that success that begets
more team success. The same is true for these individuals, right.
We saw it with with Zach Williams. The kid didn't
do anything, yet in a game he was he was
given a couple of flowers by a man who is
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notoriously hard to impress, Kyle Whittingham and highly respected as
a talent evaluator around college football. Kyle Whittingham goes out
five times and says, hey, he's done some really nice things.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
We like what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And suddenly, whoever's job it is at USC at U
c l A at Oregon, whoever's job that is to
pay attention to who might be available, their ears per
cup and they say, wait, Kyle Whittingham likes this cat, well,
godfather dude, and and look that there. That's the double
edged sword. But you have to believe that there's some
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level of buy in on especially John Henry Day is
a great example of this. Right you you were, you
were this guy, right, you were this guy you wanted
to he went there. You didn't want them, They said,
get out now, we don't want you. We were you
were exactly this guy, right, a guy, a guy who
as a player was a lot better than people gave
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a credit for. Right at first glance, that's exactly what
you were. That's exactly what John Henry Dally is. And
you end up in a spot where you're playing for
and coached by guys that know exactly what it takes
to get you to be the best version of you
and allow you an opportunity to play on.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Sundays we read about like LFP, He's got his hands
on me, and that was It changed my whole life.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
To your point, there's a.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Lot of guys around college football, a lot of coaches
around college football who are good at developing. But if
you're John Henry Daily to be specific, and I don't
want to put words into his mouth, but if you're
John Henry Daily and somebody says, look, we want you
to stay at You had a twelve sack year, all right,
we want you to stay here. We want you to
have a fifteen sack year next year. We want you
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to be a first round draft pick. Come on, And
he goes, well, yeah, USC wants the same thing from me.
You say, all right, understood, find me the last time
USC brought a guy like you and turned him into
a guy like that found the last time.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Do you want to tell you a story? My dad
and I go to a high school game against Spanish folk.
This is in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
They had a great young man there was playing center
on the basketball team. His name is Porter Gustin. I
went there unofficially on my own terms to see this kid.
I know that he was the hot thing in town
and the NFL was or was just end of my
rookie year. And so I meet him in the parking lot. Okay,
I introduced myself, say, I come from a long line
of defensive ends at the University of Utah, And I said,
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I know the sc looks good to you, right, blah
blah blah, the same thing you just said. Okay, and
you looked at me and he said, yeah, well I
definitely think about it. We walked to my dad said
he's gone, and so he said he sees stars, dude,
he sees stars.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So whether it's stars and fame, right, it's now fortune
and so now it's just money talks. When you go
to SCOC they have better facilities, they have better history,
they have better TV deals, they have better everything's more connected.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So it's not a hard sell. Usc U TI. It's
not hard.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
That's why they usually beat us on guys over the years.
Right now at eight, it's even easier. Hey, here's an
extra million bucks. Drive down the road. We're not talking
about sc back to BYU South. I'm pointing the wrong way.
Go ahead out on fifteen. We'll give you an extra
half a million. Who's not going You don't have to
move out of your house, dude A Ronald Pikey up
on the way home. He lives in Salt Lake.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Garry Anderson comes three times a week from Logan. He'll
he'll grab you in the truck.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Ay Rod does live right here in the heart of
Salt Lakes.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Hit so, guys, But look, we have to get serious
about this as a whole. Utah fanily right, we have
this common in January. Now, we got some we got
we got some bills due. Now.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I'm sure you saw the headline this week and it
kind of flies under the raidar because football is actually
being played. The Big Ten Conference is supposed to this
week sign a deal where they give ten percent of
their everything, ten percent of their rights to private equity
for two point four billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
In perpetuity, no at all.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
For the number five, for the extension of a grant
of rights that adds ten.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Years to the grand right ten years.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Okay, okay, USC opposed, Michigan opposed. Everyone else in the
conference said, yeah, give us the money, because it's one
hundred and thirty five million dollars that comes to every school. Wow,
one hundred and thirty five million to do exactly what
you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
To write those checks now.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Because the Big Ten is the first one that's going
to do this, I promise you, every other conference in
the country is going to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
They have to.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
We know behind our scenes now for cash.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We know behind the scenes that Utiah has been exploring
private equity as a potential situation. I don't know if
you can do it on an individual level. I don't
know if you could do it on like Notre Dame
could as an independent.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
The trick is this, the Church of Jesus Christ, the
Latter day Saints will never do a private equity deal
with for fair sports ever. I heard it from the
eighties mouth. Okay, he said it to me on Monday
with Spence Checkets was there at the conference.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
We were at okay.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Mark Carlin was one of the speakers there. Sure, as
is Dave checkets as was he forgive me, I forgot
his name in any ways, Brian Santiago, Yes that's it,
thank you, good looking bad guy from one look dude,
no homo. But anyways, I I would like to see
byu model here, meaning we can keep it local, we
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can still get private. There's enough money, okay where we
can put an investment fund together. I did a thing
for a cancer foundation when I was a rookie. The
Sown Foundation looked that up. I didn't even know about them.
I got drafted to the Jets. They found out my
daughter at cancer, which thanks to you Nation, she had
about a million prayers and she's alive, so thank you.
And they had a meeting once a year where they
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had an investor conference and they donated the money to
fund to beat childhood cancer.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I've already seen this. They gave me the award for
whatever man it was for my daughter. Really she was
just a baby. But the whole point of the meeting,
right was to raise the money, and they raised it right.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Then they had a strategies, how are we going to
invest it so we can battle this cancer, and we
can do that here at Utah.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
The church is already doing it. They just you know,
they're doing it their own way. I meaning BYU here
at Utah. We could do that. We have to get
we don't want to give here where Dave Checkets was correct.
Private equity and you know this OC it brings sharks
and they cut up tradition and they cut up red
tape real quick to make money.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
That's all they care about.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Bank capital.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
This is from guy from bank Capital, out of the
horse's mouth, de I eve check its. He says, not
good for business private equity. In my opinion, he's running
two soccer teams. He used to run the next NRSL
soccer Yes, and so when I hear that, I say, well,
if it's an arms race, then we have to have
it OC right, Well, you need we need to get
organized here locally and as a fan base, and we
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could do something at least con mitigate us having to
give up all that all that equity.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Well to the point that you're making right, if USC
who is opposed to the Big ten's private equity deal,
they finally did they just get lined because they have
to get in line. If they want to be part
of that that party, which they do.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
They're like, all right, give you one hundred and thirty
five million bucks. I guess.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You have to when you say you have to, like
we've been saying, now, you got to get better with money. Oh,
you gotta like you gotta find different donors. We've been
saying this for five years now. When the big ten
schools get that influx of cash, it's not a philosophical
you have to. It is an actual economic you have
to because of the thing that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It's an arms race, man.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Because if there's no kid, there's no parent, there's no coach,
there's no anything that can overcome the weight of a
million dollar check for an eighteen to twenty two year old.
And by the way, I don't think it should because
you're not guaranteed in an NFL career.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
You're not guaranteed tomorrow. You're not We're not guaranteed tomorrow, man.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
That's correct.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
And so that's the reality of what this business is now.
It's now no longer college football. It's minor league football.
I just saw by you get a commit from a
G league player. This entirely football homie. No one can
tell me otherwise.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
We talked about that early bau Basketball is getting a
G league center who's been in the GMO and he's
going back.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
So you tell me you can go play in the
practice squad for your and come back. Yes, yes you can.
That's coming next to the court.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Man.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
I know I'm not only making six hundred thousand, I'm
going back to LSU for one point two.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I mean, it's why Diego Pavia, the Vanderbilt quarterback that
you were just talking about, It's why he challenged in
court to say, hey, I don't want my juco at
eligibility to count towards my college eletility.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Benjamin's on deck, dude, because he's.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Looking at me saying like, I'm five foot ten, I'm
probably not going to get a ton of NFL opportunity here,
and I'm making a couple million bucks to live in Nashville, Tennessee,
which is one of the coolest towns on earth. And
he's like, extend my I mean, you're right the money.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
His mom's on TV every week, his whole family, He's
got a whole brand coming his mom Mexican in Nashville,
killing it all. Right, and he's and he's a wonderful,
wonderful guy. His family's wonderful, the whole story. These stories
are wonderful because it's evolving. Know, you're seeing people what
this should have been in the original thing was you
rise people out of poverty. Who the heck wants to
smash their skull against people at oh see, just like
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who the hell wants to fight people? This is the
bottom of the society. Usually, no offense to anybody who's
been in these we've all done it. But they you know,
sometimes rich people dabble in this stuff, but not on
a macro level. Okay, it's mostly blue collar people's children
doing this stuff. And so if you can find a
way to rise entire families up, man, and you're and
you're paying for it with your life. Okay, we're gonna
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end up having guys play so hard now for this money.
Oh see, right, they're gonna play so hard, dude, that
the careers are gonna get shortened. And if they don't,
we're going to see, you know, we have to find
a way to me But the injury, like the bodies,
the game is getting as tough as it's ever been.
I would say It's just like when you've watched UFC
one sure versus uf George Saint Pierre was the guy
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for me where you're like, when I saw him, he
could do all the stuff, and now they all can
do all the stuff. That's right, And that's how it's
getting now. As you're seeing quarterback play, that's just like,
holy crap, dude, these guys are just coming into the
Like Mac Jones, he was just on the scrap heat man,
and I just throw him in there. He wins six
or seven games, So it's becoming that. And he's not
a great athlete either, guys. That's why I'm saying that
this is a guy who's not a great athlete and
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he's tearing up the NFL. It's scaling everywhere because it's
there's so much money. If you've been to Europe or
you've been to South America Mexico where you see soccer,
what this has become OC is it looks like European
soccer model. Yeah, we're gonna it's gonna be that. We're
gonna get to transfer fees soon. That's what's coming.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
The club level of all that stuff is a more
realistic model for how college football will move.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Not the NFL, definitely European soccer. That's how I see it.
You do, you do agree with that? I do because
you're because the money is gonna come in. It's gonna start.
It's already coming in on high school kids.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's gonna start to come in on middle school kids
like it does in those European soccer clubs. You get
identified on the playground somewhere when you're nine years old.
They put you in a club system, and you come
up through the academy and then someday you're playing for
Manchester United.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It's unbelievable. Man. All you gotta do is look at Messi.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Okay, a little short midget there is killing everybody for
the thirty years. They grabbed him when he was eleven
or something. They grabbed him early. And I've been talking
to I had a meeting with the Alcorn State's ad
okay this offseason and Treel Buckley, Missipi Valley State. We're
talking about setting up a farm system, okay, where places
like that that need some cash. Right, you know what
two hundred thousand dollars will do down there? See unbelievable stuff. Right,
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If you could get that a year. You could start
farming kids right now. You can start bringing kids from
the South, bringing from the East coast, and you create
networks and you know, almost like a co op. It's
a farm, right, You're you're, you're, you're developing players and
real Salt Lake, I think is related to a reality
in Europe.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
If I'm not mistaken, is that correct?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Now it's just an Okay, well I was wrong then, Yeah,
they just stole the name because there was a lack
of there's a lack of imagination in the early MLS
days and they were like, let's just copycat.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Are any of these teams partnered? Okay, I see the
same words, and if not, the BA and used to
have NBA or the NFL, excuse me an NFL Europe. Yeah,
and they have things going on now there, but it's
moving towards where if you're college, you don't want kids.
And the reason why I sail that fluff. Here's the
reason why brass tax is when you transfer, you don't
want lose credits and that kills people. Okay, I saw
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a kid lose two years he transferd from Jackson cry
lost two years of school and it's it's it was
so that whole thing has to get sorted out, right.
We talked about the federal level. That's the thing about
this thing is, oh see, how are they going to
handle academics now? Is it's no longer an academic requirement
that you even have to go to school?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Soon enough, I promise you that's going to happen. All right,
we're way way over time. So let's before I cut
you loose. How does how does Baylor Utah play out?
What's the final score? Does this end up being the
dominant win that Utah needs it to be.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
I think we win by I I've been wrong, you know,
a lot on the on the predictions. I'll just says
I think we're going to win the game. And I
think that we're going to run the ball for above
our average. So I think it's going to be a
status quo game for us, and defense is going to
play well. I'm always worried about special teams. There's big plays,
you know, trick plays, those those the game comes down
to five or six plays a game. We got to
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win two or three of those are not losing at least,
So I think we're going to be good that I
think we should win.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Trevor Riley.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
It's always great picking his brain every time we get
an opportunity to do so. He is one of the
most interesting people on planet Earth and he joins us
every week here on The Sean O'Connell Show.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Thanks for coming in, dude.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I'm sorry we went over man, It just it was good.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
No, no, it's I'm the one who's in charge of
keeping it on clock. I could have taken a break
and we could have come back, but we were just rolling.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I just feel like I'm back home talking to my
family when I see you, dude, Fellow Irishman, Trevor Riley,
It's the.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Peas, not Sean O'Connell's show. You were home of the
best inside of your huge Let's get back to woe.
See from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred
ninety one. Af Am.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Sean O'Connell's show here on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two,
and at man, we're lucky enough to welcome the most
interesting man on the planet, Trevor Riley back here in
studio with us. He's been on the road, he's been
doing his thing. He's been hustling and bustling, that's what
he does. But now he's back.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Aaron salt Lake said he plenty to talk about with
this Utah football team. Trevor Riley, how are you.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I'm great. I'm really happy to be I just got in.
I flew in at eleven thirty, be here on time.
And you know, I like seeing you. I told you
off air there's no way you didn't go to church.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
As a kid.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
I like your character, I like your resume. Nice you
to say so. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well, well, James is a holy man. I mean, James E.
Faust over here. This is a holy man. Okay, the.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is Peterson like it's a pseudonym. That's that's that's not
your real name. You've just that's your stage name.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
He's James Faust.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Uh So, man, there's a lot to talk about with
this Utah football team coming off of bye week, you know,
getting a little bit healthier, we know, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
That's great, good to see.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Uh The more interesting thing right now is the way
that Utah football is being perceived by this College Football
Playoff committee and by the you know, the Big twelves
perception in their eyes as well. Sitting now two weeks
in a row at number thirteen. Now it is a
twelve team playoff, but because of the structure of this
twelve team playoff, what Utah really needs is to be
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inside the top ten, whether as a runner up in
the Big twelve conference obviously if you're at the conference champion,
you end up automatically and as potentially an at large bid.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
They got to climb. It's a tantalizing close.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Trevor, three spots away from that magic ten spot, and
I wanted to know your thoughts on the matter.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I would say b YU and Texas Tech are definitely
the driver's seat in the conference, which has a huge
implication on our final ranking. Yes, it's gonna be hard
for another Big twelve team to really make that large bid.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Sure, so it doesn't mean it's impossible. I think it
may happen.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But we also got a battle areas of a state
who's training upwards, and if they end the season with
two losses, right, regardless if who gets into that play
or that they are the Big Twelve playoff or whatever,
you know, the championship game, you know, there's a lot
of heat there, and we beat them without their quarterback, right,
everyone needs to remind remember that they they're going to
take an asterisk on that loss to Utah. I would say,
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not a big one, but a small asteriss there. And
it was early in the season.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, now they're quarterbacks out, so for them to finish strong,
they're doing it with the guy that you got.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That's fair.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And I should have maybe known that before I said that. Okay,
I didn't even know that. Yeah, so Sam's this is
I'm glad, sorry to waste everybody's time with that.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Don't do that.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
No, I was just thinking about that as we beat
them like this, isn't the same team I saw last year.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And look, Levitt came back in and Levitt's the reason
they beat Texas Tech. Levit is the reason that Arizona
State beat text Attack.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
One killed them.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And then he gets hurt, and then Sims, who look,
let's be honest, against Utah didn't look like much. Sims
immediately after Levitt goes down, goes out and sets an
Arizona State record with like ninety rushing yards or something.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Insane. Yep, they took the jersey.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
They literally took the jersey off him from the game,
all grass stained and painted all over and stuff like that,
and they put it on a frame and they hung
it in the Arizona State Football Complex that they show
to the recruits.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It's already in there.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He had a great game, So he's being thought of
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Okay, so maybe the first game, you know, filling in
that could be saved to take there a little bit.
But I'm just saying there's a lot of action here
sure that we don't I don't even like talking about
unless if BYU or eat Tech Sex loses. If I
don't see either of them lose. You know, every week.
You know we're gonna see this fix. So everything's predicated
upon those two teams, that's.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
All, you know. To qualify. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
For us with two losses to slide in there without
getting into that playoff or championship game.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I'm see this is where I I my my crimson
tinted glasses are affecting me. Here, I see a path
that's almost as clear by not getting into the conference
championship game because of what the committee has showed us. Right,
that's fair because if the committee had Utah at sixteen,
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or had Texas Tech after beating BYU at like seven
or eight, still, they put Texas Tech, and they said,
we like this Big twelve conference, and we like BYU
so much, and we like your win over Utah so
much that you are leapfrogging Oregon, the Oregon Ducks, who
just came off and win against Iowa, a ranked team.
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We're gonna leapfrog you over Oregon, and we're going going
to tell everyone in the country that you're better than
old Miss as Well, who's.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
One of these like darlings in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So they said, Texas Tech, that's how much we love
you right now, and Texas Tech is going to be
in the conference championship game.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Who do they have left on the season?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
They have UCF and West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
So that's those are scrimmages and ole Miss has who
ole Miss is going to have some heat down there.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Ole Missus schedule lays out really nice for them as well,
so that's good for us. Then they've got they've got
Citadel and they played them Florida.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
And Mississippi State to finish.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
So you know those are Florida fired their coach in State.
You know, that's a tough place to play, but they
just got beat by BAM I think, and yeah, okay,
so that they're they're there, they're going to be in
a nice spot.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
So Ole Miss is going to be in a really
nice spot.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
In the Big Ten as far as the Big Ten goes,
right the team that threat who's the is s C
still have two losses?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Are they still alive?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So us C is the interesting one here because USC
plays Oregon.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's a big one.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
So USC number seventeen right now, they're a two loss team.
USC is a two loss team that has an opportunity
against Oregon, who right now is a top ten team. Also,
USC this week has Iowa, who's still in the rankings.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And that's another thing that no one wants to play them,
right they might pull they can beat anybody on any Saturday.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It seems like so USC is at seventeen right now.
But let's say it goes exactly how USC wants it
to go. They beat Iowa, who's number twenty one in
the country right now according to the College Football Playoff Committee,
and then they beat Oregon. USC is a team that
you're like, uh so you're in.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Dude, what you're getting in what you want and Iowa.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
What you want.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
If you're a Utah fans, you want Iowa to beat
USC and then USC to beat Oregon.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I mean, okay, so if they win those, are they
in the Big Ten Championship game? I assume they are, right.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, because it's in Ohio State and Indiana.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
So then yeah, that's going to be tough. Dude, that
that plays well. I mean, I mean, that's a lot
of what if. So they got to beat two great teams.
But there's a lot of action there, right I just but.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Now listen, like, let's play the whole thing out. We
talked about this earlier in the show. Like, so from
the teams coming from behind you that can really ruin
your day are Vanderbilt, who still is right behind Utah
right now and right behind Byu.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Love the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Vanderbilt is one of the darling stories in the country
right now.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
We offered him at Jackson, Nobody wanted him at Animi
nobody three years ago, Man.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Quarterback, you offered Diego Pavia.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yes, we almost had him on campus. Wow, we had him.
Nobody wanted him. He was a Mexican kid who was
out there playing ja jucoball at playing quarterback. It's a
great story.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
He's a great story.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
They've got Kentucky and then a ranked Tennessee team to
finish the year. So, uh, there's the potential if you
don't look impressive, even if you win out. We're assuming
that both BYU and Utah are going to win out. Okay,
and if you're Utah, especially Vanderbilts right there behind you,
win over Tennessee is more impressive than any win. You
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have the opportunity to get on the remainder of your roster.
Miami still has n C State Miami's at number fifteen.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
They're right behind Vandy.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Right now, they've got n C State, They've got road
game against Virginia Tech.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
That means nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And then we'll see what happens with Pitt because Pitt's
got Notre Dame this week. Right now, they're twenty two.
If pitt can beat Notre Dame, then they're probably eighteen.
And if Miami can beat Pitt or Pitt can beat Miami,
now we're talking about another impressive resume builder.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
And then Virginia, right Virginia is gonna or they're slated
to be the automatic qualifier out of that conference right.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Now, Virginia is their duke, Virginia Tech. So look, the
ACC is getting one team. The committee has told us
conference champion from the ACC is getting in and nobody
else's That's how I'm reading this because Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Louisville,
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they're all kind of in the hunt still, as is Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
But do you want to know something is when you
look at the offer sheet of players, go going on
three and look at the offer sheet, and you can
see exactly what you're talking about. There's a group of
offers right that end at about that point in the seed.
Then you don't get the other power for but they
grew up in with Nevada. You know, I'm talking about
Georgia Southern that that group of five things, So I
could buy that. I only the ACC does not have
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a threatening team. Miami is trending downwards like they've They
have not looked well good the last two weeks in Pittsburgh.
Nobody's seen him, I mean not really.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
So Georgia Tech, it's they're a one loss team.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And that's interesting because Georgia Tech's got Boston College, They've
got a ranked pit team yep, and then they've got Georgia. Look,
I don't think Haines King with all his glory, is
going to beat Georgia.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Was that last year or a couple of years ago
they beat them? And was that they were close one time.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
So Georgia Tech is a one loss team with a
win over Georgia at the end the year, that could
be a big problem. But again, if that's the case
with Georgia Tech there they didn't have an ACC championship game,
they probably get in as the automatic qualifier. I mean,
if you if you lose the ACC champion, if you're
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Georgia Tech. You lose the ACC championship game. After beating Georgia,
you still have a pretty strong case.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Asn't that large?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, absolutely lose both. You're probably not getting in obviously
with three losses.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
So those are the teams behind you.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think that can threaten you, and I put USC
in that category. The teams in front of you that
I think are gonna get out of the way at
some point are Texas at Oklahoma and Texas is ten
Oklahoma's eleven. Texas has two really really tough games on
the schedule. Texas is sitting here with Georgia on the
road this week and then Arkansas and they finish at
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home against Texas A and M oh my gosh. So
Texas ain't winning. I think I think they're losing two
their final three is what I think.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
If they win at either A and M or excuse me,
against A and M or at Georgia, now that really
convolutes things because george is not going to drop all
the way out of the top ten and Texas is
gonna then you know those two teams will be ranked
like seven and eight then or six and seven then,
and that.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
That would be something that they beat both those guys. Man,
Oklahoma goes and beats those guys.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That'd be wild. Oklahoma's got Alabama this week, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh my good. And the way they ranked third or fourth.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Fourth, Alabama's fourth, and that's in Tuscaloosa. So Oklahoma finishing
out with Bama, Missouri, LSU doesn't feel like Oklahoma is
going to be sitting above BYU and Utah when it's
all said and.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Downe there's a lot of these like paramount games, you know,
you know, Texas against Georgia, that's gonna be a great game.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
But I would say if Texas beats.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Them, just to go back to that, that A and
M Texas game is gonna be unblieable. A and M
is probably already going to be slated into the SEC
championship game.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I assume they are the lone undefeated SEC team.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
That would be interesting if they sat some players and
now it got interesting because then Texas hasn't easy. I mean,
not that they necessarily would, but I'm just saying, if
you're already slated, just like the old thing, why would
you play in week seventeen?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Right if you already but got a buy or something yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I mean, so this whole thing, the whole landscape, is
interesting because so many dominoes have to fall right, and
this is why we love sports. You know, I'm a
little more pessimistic because I think there's an East Coast
by still when it comes to college football.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
There absolutely is.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
When I walked in, we got that big giant TV
right as you walk in here, it was Doug Fine
Bob's ugly mug on the television on ESPN on Sports Center,
and the question scrolling along the bottom of the screen
was does the SEC deserve six teams in the playoff?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
They're not asking that about the Big twelve. They're not
almost like lobbying. They're lobbying to television. That guy used
to do local radios maybe in Alabama. He's an SEC guys,
how he's made his entire living other of theirs. And
to your point, it's propaganda. You know, you hear it
on the West Coast and they don't watch the games,
like eight o'clock, eight o'clock kickoff? Are they watching that game?
I used to live out there. I was falling asleep.
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Guys watching the playing for the Jets, watching the youths play.
You fall asleep at halftime or cut quarter in. It's
we know that's all the case.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So there's all these convoluted scenarios that could play out.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
It's fun to talk about them.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
But at the end of the day, what Utah has
got to do is they've got to go out there
and they've got to.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Win the games in front of him.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yes, Now, this Baylor team is one of the most
prolific passing offenses that Utah is gonna face all year.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
They've been good against the pass. The youths have. Uh,
is there any danger in Waco, Texas in your mind?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Absolutely? Dave Randa is the second or top top top
shelf coach, right, second to none. He is a defensive mastermind,
right And when he has this, I mean he's best
friends Andy Ludwig.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
They vacation together. Okay. Andy is a very detail oriented
human being. And this is a very.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Serious coach, all right, so serious that he's had to
loosen it up a little bit. And I say this again,
Baylor's a basketball school that's finding it's playing football.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And Aranda he's deadly Okay, he used to be at LSU.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
He's won a lot of games, and he's very familiar
with coach Whittingham through the years, and so it's always
gonna it's gonna be, you know, I look at that way.
Arranda's a west He cut his teeth on the West coast,
and so he's this is this is like going home
for him, I think, or home coming to him for I.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Guess Baylor.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Three hundred and thirteen yards a game through the air.
They are a very potent passing offense. Now in the
run game, they're twelfth in the Big Twelve Conference at
one hundred and forty one yards a game. Utah, of course,
is the number one passing defense in the league right now.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They give up almost exactly half as many yards per
game as Baylor passes for per game. So if some
thing's got to give there, you would imagine that this
is one of the key matchups in the in the contest.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
I think there's gonna be a lot of NFL scouts there,
or maybe there won't be, but they'll be watching the game.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
You get this matchup receiver and corner, it's lining up
right a passing offense. Our corners and safeties have played
tremendous sands the b YU or whatever game five, had
a just horrific game. He's had a bounce back and
played fantastic the last couple of weeks. Okay, and so
we've really responded. I think that, you know, the coordination
has been you know, he's been fantastic as usual. I was,
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you know, you hate to say as usual, see, because
it's been so awesome. Right, we should give him more flowers.
They should be getting more flowers. They're doing such a
great job. So, I know, to wrap it up, I
think Baylor is a team that can beat anybody. When
you can throw for that much power and you've got
a great coach who's defensive minded.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's and you're on the road. I mean, that's a
tough game.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Now, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
The pass rush that makes it really really difficult to
get to him because a he can run, be he
makes decisions very very quickly. Utah's pass rush still found
ways to kind of harass him and cause him problems.
Didn't get sacks and get big numbers there. He didn't
get him down the same way you did against Colorado
of the week before. Now, one of the dangerous for
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Baylor in a game like this one is if you're
going to butter your bread passing the ball, you got
to be back there, and you got to be there's
multiple dropbacks in this game. Their offensive line has done
a decent job, but they have given up sixteen sacks
so far on the year, and Utah right now is
the second best pass rush in the Big twelve Conference.
I think that is also a matchup where you know,
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John henry Day, I think at half a sack last game,
he's still top ten in the countries at nine and
a half sacks on the year.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
How much is he going to go for next year? Okay?
What's he worth?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
A lot?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I'm serious, what do you think over undred a million?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Over?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
So?
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Okay, that's about what our quarterback makes. I can pay him.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Well.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
The idea is if you have a successful program, and
we're talking about a conference championship contending program, right, the
hope is that some of this comes out of.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
The woodwork, you know what. Oh see, I'm with you
on that. I'm all in on that on that take
because I agree with you on that, like that's our
only we have to we havess success, get.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Success in every in every aspect of life. Right.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It's it's kind of like this, this great oxymore than
any of you have probably experienced. If you've been on
the job market, if you've been out of a job,
you cannot find a job to save your life, whatever
field you are in, and you're like, you get fired
or your company goes under, You're just like, oh my gosh,
I need a job so bad, and it takes months
for you to find the next thing. Then you you
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get into a job where you're in the job for
a couple of years and suddenly comes somebody comes to
you and says, hey, I'd like to hire you over here. Instead,
you're like, oh, I got a job. I don't need
this job offer. Now, where were you two years ago
on the breadline. It's kind of like that, right when
you get these wins, Suddenly people want to be associated
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with those wins. Companies want to be like, you know what, Look,
everyone's talking about Utah football, everyone's talking about BYU football.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I see this.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Okay, you're a former player, you're a fan, you're analyst,
a critic. Sure, what if we source the money like
the Packers?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
We should? Why not?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
We should source money? We could, we could crowdsource it,
but we need to find alternative routes. I'm saying there's
all types of options, but really what you're talking about
is as a collective unit.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Right where we talked about businesses. There's other ways too,
you know.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I there's other if we can get hot here, we
can get rallies, and we can get sweeps, we can
get stuff going to.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Get the fans involved.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I think when I see them in that stadium full
every Saturday for how many years? Now? Is it twenty
years of sellouts like that? Fifty five thousand? We got
enough juice. Whe if we took ten bucks a month
from half the people, right, that's going to pay a
lot of bills, guys, two and a half million dollars.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You know, that's a lot of too, one hundred fifty thousand.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
If you can do things, as you know, we might
have to be a little more communal here as we
get down. These bills are due now, OC and I'm
dragging on here because the bills are due January.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Okay, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
More times we win and these guys play, well you
just said it. They're probably their value and we gotta
have a hard time keeping these.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, there's the flip side of the coin, right, the
flip side of the coin is that success that begets
more team success. The same is true for these individuals, right.
We saw it with with Zach Williams. The kid didn't
do anything, yet in a game he was he was
given a couple of flowers by a man who is
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notoriously hard to impress, Kyle Whittingham and highly respected as
a talent evaluator around college football. Kyle Whittingham goes out
five times and says, hey, he's done some really nice things.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
We like what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And suddenly, whoever's job it is at USC at U
c l A at Oregon, whoever's job that is to
pay attention to who might be available, their ears per
cup and they say, wait, Kyle Whittingham likes this cat, well,
godfather dude, and and look that there. That's the double
edged sword. But you have to believe that there's some
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level of buy in on especially John Henry Day is
a great example of this. Right you you were, you
were this guy, right, you were this guy you wanted
to he went there. You didn't want them, They said,
get out now, we don't want you. We were you
were exactly this guy, right, a guy, a guy who
as a player was a lot better than people gave
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a credit for. Right at first glance, that's exactly what
you were. That's exactly what John Henry Dally is. And
you end up in a spot where you're playing for
and coached by guys that know exactly what it takes
to get you to be the best version of you
and allow you an opportunity to play on.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Sundays we read about like LFP, He's got his hands
on me, and that was It changed my whole life.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
To your point, there's a.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Lot of guys around college football, a lot of coaches
around college football who are good at developing. But if
you're John Henry Daily to be specific, and I don't
want to put words into his mouth, but if you're
John Henry Daily and somebody says, look, we want you
to stay at You had a twelve sack year, all right,
we want you to stay here. We want you to
have a fifteen sack year next year. We want you
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to be a first round draft pick. Come on, And
he goes, well, yeah, USC wants the same thing from me.
You say, all right, understood, find me the last time
USC brought a guy like you and turned him into
a guy like that found the last time.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Do you want to tell you a story? My dad
and I go to a high school game against Spanish folk.
This is in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
They had a great young man there was playing center
on the basketball team. His name is Porter Gustin. I
went there unofficially on my own terms to see this kid.
I know that he was the hot thing in town
and the NFL was or was just end of my
rookie year. And so I meet him in the parking lot. Okay,
I introduced myself, say, I come from a long line
of defensive ends at the University of Utah, And I said,
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I know the sc looks good to you, right, blah
blah blah, the same thing you just said. Okay, and
you looked at me and he said, yeah, well I
definitely think about it. We walked to my dad said
he's gone, and so he said he sees stars, dude,
he sees stars.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So whether it's stars and fame, right, it's now fortune
and so now it's just money talks. When you go
to SCOC they have better facilities, they have better history,
they have better TV deals, they have better everything's more connected.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So it's not a hard sell. Usc U TI. It's
not hard.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
That's why they usually beat us on guys over the years.
Right now at eight, it's even easier. Hey, here's an
extra million bucks. Drive down the road. We're not talking
about sc back to BYU South. I'm pointing the wrong way.
Go ahead out on fifteen. We'll give you an extra
half a million. Who's not going You don't have to
move out of your house, dude A Ronald Pikey up
on the way home. He lives in Salt Lake.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Garry Anderson comes three times a week from Logan. He'll
he'll grab you in the truck.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Ay Rod does live right here in the heart of
Salt Lakes.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Hit so, guys, But look, we have to get serious
about this as a whole. Utah fanily right, we have
this common in January. Now, we got some we got
we got some bills due. Now.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I'm sure you saw the headline this week and it
kind of flies under the raidar because football is actually
being played. The Big Ten Conference is supposed to this
week sign a deal where they give ten percent of
their everything, ten percent of their rights to private equity
for two point four billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
In perpetuity, no at all.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
For the number five, for the extension of a grant
of rights that adds ten.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Years to the grand right ten years.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Okay, okay, USC opposed, Michigan opposed. Everyone else in the
conference said, yeah, give us the money, because it's one
hundred and thirty five million dollars that comes to every school. Wow,
one hundred and thirty five million to do exactly what
you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
To write those checks now.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Because the Big Ten is the first one that's going
to do this, I promise you, every other conference in
the country is going to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
They have to.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
We know behind our scenes now for cash.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We know behind the scenes that Utiah has been exploring
private equity as a potential situation. I don't know if
you can do it on an individual level. I don't
know if you could do it on like Notre Dame
could as an independent.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
The trick is this, the Church of Jesus Christ, the
Latter day Saints will never do a private equity deal
with for fair sports ever. I heard it from the
eighties mouth. Okay, he said it to me on Monday
with Spence Checkets was there at the conference.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
We were at okay.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Mark Carlin was one of the speakers there. Sure, as
is Dave checkets as was he forgive me, I forgot
his name in any ways, Brian Santiago, Yes that's it,
thank you, good looking bad guy from one look dude,
no homo. But anyways, I I would like to see
byu model here, meaning we can keep it local, we
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can still get private. There's enough money, okay where we
can put an investment fund together. I did a thing
for a cancer foundation when I was a rookie. The
Sown Foundation looked that up. I didn't even know about them.
I got drafted to the Jets. They found out my
daughter at cancer, which thanks to you Nation, she had
about a million prayers and she's alive, so thank you.
And they had a meeting once a year where they
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had an investor conference and they donated the money to
fund to beat childhood cancer.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I've already seen this. They gave me the award for
whatever man it was for my daughter. Really she was
just a baby. But the whole point of the meeting,
right was to raise the money, and they raised it right.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Then they had a strategies, how are we going to
invest it so we can battle this cancer, and we
can do that here at Utah.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
The church is already doing it. They just you know,
they're doing it their own way. I meaning BYU here
at Utah. We could do that. We have to get
we don't want to give here where Dave Checkets was correct.
Private equity and you know this OC it brings sharks
and they cut up tradition and they cut up red
tape real quick to make money.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
That's all they care about.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Bank capital.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
This is from guy from bank Capital, out of the
horse's mouth, de I eve check its. He says, not
good for business private equity. In my opinion, he's running
two soccer teams. He used to run the next NRSL
soccer Yes, and so when I hear that, I say, well,
if it's an arms race, then we have to have
it OC right, Well, you need we need to get
organized here locally and as a fan base, and we
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could do something at least con mitigate us having to
give up all that all that equity.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Well to the point that you're making right, if USC
who is opposed to the Big ten's private equity deal,
they finally did they just get lined because they have
to get in line. If they want to be part
of that that party, which they do.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
They're like, all right, give you one hundred and thirty
five million bucks. I guess.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You have to when you say you have to, like
we've been saying, now, you got to get better with money. Oh,
you gotta like you gotta find different donors. We've been
saying this for five years now. When the big ten
schools get that influx of cash, it's not a philosophical
you have to. It is an actual economic you have
to because of the thing that you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It's an arms race, man.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Because if there's no kid, there's no parent, there's no coach,
there's no anything that can overcome the weight of a
million dollar check for an eighteen to twenty two year old.
And by the way, I don't think it should because
you're not guaranteed in an NFL career.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
You're not guaranteed tomorrow. You're not We're not guaranteed tomorrow, man.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
That's correct.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
And so that's the reality of what this business is now.
It's now no longer college football. It's minor league football.
I just saw by you get a commit from a
G league player. This entirely football homie. No one can
tell me otherwise.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
We talked about that early bau Basketball is getting a
G league center who's been in the GMO and he's
going back.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
So you tell me you can go play in the
practice squad for your and come back. Yes, yes you can.
That's coming next to the court.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Man.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
I know I'm not only making six hundred thousand, I'm
going back to LSU for one point two.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I mean, it's why Diego Pavia, the Vanderbilt quarterback that
you were just talking about, It's why he challenged in
court to say, hey, I don't want my juco at
eligibility to count towards my college eletility.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Benjamin's on deck, dude, because he's.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Looking at me saying like, I'm five foot ten, I'm
probably not going to get a ton of NFL opportunity here,
and I'm making a couple million bucks to live in Nashville, Tennessee,
which is one of the coolest towns on earth. And
he's like, extend my I mean, you're right the money.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
His mom's on TV every week, his whole family, He's
got a whole brand coming his mom Mexican in Nashville,
killing it all. Right, and he's and he's a wonderful,
wonderful guy. His family's wonderful, the whole story. These stories
are wonderful because it's evolving. Know, you're seeing people what
this should have been in the original thing was you
rise people out of poverty. Who the heck wants to
smash their skull against people at oh see, just like
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who the hell wants to fight people? This is the
bottom of the society. Usually, no offense to anybody who's
been in these we've all done it. But they you know,
sometimes rich people dabble in this stuff, but not on
a macro level. Okay, it's mostly blue collar people's children
doing this stuff. And so if you can find a
way to rise entire families up, man, and you're and
you're paying for it with your life. Okay, we're gonna
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end up having guys play so hard now for this money.
Oh see, right, they're gonna play so hard, dude, that
the careers are gonna get shortened. And if they don't,
we're going to see, you know, we have to find
a way to me But the injury, like the bodies,
the game is getting as tough as it's ever been.
I would say It's just like when you've watched UFC
one sure versus uf George Saint Pierre was the guy
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for me where you're like, when I saw him, he
could do all the stuff, and now they all can
do all the stuff. That's right, And that's how it's
getting now. As you're seeing quarterback play, that's just like,
holy crap, dude, these guys are just coming into the
Like Mac Jones, he was just on the scrap heat man,
and I just throw him in there. He wins six
or seven games, So it's becoming that. And he's not
a great athlete either, guys. That's why I'm saying that
this is a guy who's not a great athlete and
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he's tearing up the NFL. It's scaling everywhere because it's
there's so much money. If you've been to Europe or
you've been to South America Mexico where you see soccer,
what this has become OC is it looks like European
soccer model. Yeah, we're gonna it's gonna be that. We're
gonna get to transfer fees soon. That's what's coming.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
The club level of all that stuff is a more
realistic model for how college football will move.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Not the NFL, definitely European soccer. That's how I see it.
You do, you do agree with that? I do because
you're because the money is gonna come in. It's gonna start.
It's already coming in on high school kids.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's gonna start to come in on middle school kids
like it does in those European soccer clubs. You get
identified on the playground somewhere when you're nine years old.
They put you in a club system, and you come
up through the academy and then someday you're playing for
Manchester United.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It's unbelievable. Man. All you gotta do is look at Messi.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Okay, a little short midget there is killing everybody for
the thirty years. They grabbed him when he was eleven
or something. They grabbed him early. And I've been talking
to I had a meeting with the Alcorn State's ad
okay this offseason and Treel Buckley, Missipi Valley State. We're
talking about setting up a farm system, okay, where places
like that that need some cash. Right, you know what
two hundred thousand dollars will do down there? See unbelievable stuff. Right,
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If you could get that a year. You could start
farming kids right now. You can start bringing kids from
the South, bringing from the East coast, and you create
networks and you know, almost like a co op. It's
a farm, right, You're you're, you're, you're developing players and
real Salt Lake, I think is related to a reality
in Europe.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
If I'm not mistaken, is that correct?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Now it's just an Okay, well I was wrong then, Yeah,
they just stole the name because there was a lack
of there's a lack of imagination in the early MLS
days and they were like, let's just copycat.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Are any of these teams partnered? Okay, I see the
same words, and if not, the BA and used to
have NBA or the NFL, excuse me an NFL Europe. Yeah,
and they have things going on now there, but it's
moving towards where if you're college, you don't want kids.
And the reason why I sail that fluff. Here's the
reason why brass tax is when you transfer, you don't
want lose credits and that kills people. Okay, I saw
(32:17):
a kid lose two years he transferd from Jackson cry
lost two years of school and it's it's it was
so that whole thing has to get sorted out, right.
We talked about the federal level. That's the thing about
this thing is, oh see, how are they going to
handle academics now? Is it's no longer an academic requirement
that you even have to go to school?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Soon enough, I promise you that's going to happen. All right,
we're way way over time. So let's before I cut
you loose. How does how does Baylor Utah play out?
What's the final score? Does this end up being the
dominant win that Utah needs it to be.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
I think we win by I I've been wrong, you know,
a lot on the on the predictions. I'll just says
I think we're going to win the game. And I
think that we're going to run the ball for above
our average. So I think it's going to be a
status quo game for us, and defense is going to
play well. I'm always worried about special teams. There's big plays,
you know, trick plays, those those the game comes down
to five or six plays a game. We got to
(33:10):
win two or three of those are not losing at least,
So I think we're going to be good that I
think we should win.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Trevor Riley.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
It's always great picking his brain every time we get
an opportunity to do so. He is one of the
most interesting people on planet Earth and he joins us
every week here on The Sean O'Connell Show.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Thanks for coming in, dude.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I'm sorry we went over man, It just it was good.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
No, no, it's I'm the one who's in charge of
keeping it on clock. I could have taken a break
and we could have come back, but we were just rolling.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I just feel like I'm back home talking to my
family when I see you, dude, Fellow Irishman, Trevor Riley,
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