October 15, 2025 • 22 mins
Stacey Gelber, VP of Human Resources at Blaze Pizza, joins hosts Paul Barron and Cherryh Cansler live from the Fast Casual Executive Summit to discuss the evolving challenges of building teams in today's restaurant industry. With 270 locations across three countries, Blaze is navigating the complexities of a multigenerational workforce dominated by Gen Z employees who demand work-life balance, mental health support, and authentic culture. Gelber shares how Blaze is revolutionizing training with microlearning modules, leveraging TikTok for recruitment, and opening "Ignite by Blaze"—an innovation incubator restaurant. From managing vocal Gen Z staff to scaling culture across hundreds of franchises, this conversation reveals the HR strategies that are shaping the future of fast-casual dining.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
All right, so welcome into another episode of Fast Casual Nation.
The difference today, of course, is we are here live Fast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Casual Executive Summit, our twentieth anniversary, so our first time
we've done an podcast together.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And of course Sharon I, as you guys know, normally
we kick this show off talking a little bit about
what's happening, what's getting ready to happen, but instead today
we're going to talk about what has happened here at
the show. So how's it going so far?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I mean, I think it's going great. The thing that
I think has been super fun was the perfect.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Pitch that we did.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
That was a blast.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
So we had round one last night, four rams pitched,
we voted for our favorite. Today we had another round
four and we voted, and then tomorrow so it will
be the Tappy Brothers versus the Travelers Carts.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
This is going to be a fight to the end. Yes,
because those two brands, by the way, I had both
those on my card good, So I was okay with those. Yeah,
I was good on the winners and the between those two.
I'm on a forecast one. I'm calling it because this
will be after the show.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So you can edit it if you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I think Tap Card's going to do it. I think
Tik Card's going to win it. That's my thinking. Travelers Cards,
Tyler's Card.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Okay, all right. I don't know the Tappy brothers are.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
They're tired, but that man that menu on the Traveler's
card was unbelievable. Anyway, listen, we've got a lot to
talk about here today. We have a special guest and
that is Stacy Gelber, who's coming in as the VP
of human Resources over a Blaze Pizza.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Great to have you, Thanks, happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, Blaze Pizza one of my favorite brands. One of
my favorite people, mister Greg Dollar right over there as
one of he's a board member, right yes, still okay,
he's still working in the fast casual wings and strings,
I think is what he does most of the time.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Absolutely love it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Tell me a little bit about where you are in
your own professional career at Blaze.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
So I've been at Blaze for a little over a
year and it's been absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So we are in the midst of transformation in a
really positive way.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
So it's a very exciting place to work. We actually
changed headquarters.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
From Pasadena to Atlanta a little bit before I started
over a year ago. So we've been rebuilding our support
center in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Why did you guys switch?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
So our leadership actually lives in Atlanta, so it just
made sense. And then you know, just the business in
Georgia is fantastic as well.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So it's really exciting.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
At next week, actually, we're opening up Ignite by Blaze.
It's a restaurant right around the corner from our headquarters
and it's going to be all things innovation. So we're
testing out new pizza ovens and a new conveyor oven
and just different operations and different technologies.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's still the Blaze brand, it's more.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Of like we've been calling it Project Incubator, So it's
going to be our kind of testing innovation restaurants. So
it's really exciting. Open for public, Yes, we open next
week for the public.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Wow, So you guys are putting it out on the line.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
We really are.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So what kind of stuffer you testing? Like kioks And we're.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Testing kiosk QR codes, different innovations and iterations of our menu.
So we'll always have the byo that build your own,
but just maybe some salads or you know, just.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Some fun things that we're cooking up in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Let's get into when you were entering the fast casual
segment and pizza has been a very crowded space and
very competitive. What made you say, Hey, this is this
is the challenge I want.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
To take, especially since you came from the healthcare background.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Is it is?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
And you know, it was really after speaking with Betto.
He's he's our CEO, and he's just absolutely fantastic. So,
you know, I feel like in human resources you can
really crossover industries and a lot of your skills are transerble.
But for me, I want to work in an organization
that leads with empathy and really cares and has compassion
(04:07):
and allows me to continue to build a culture where
our employees have a voice and our employees matter. And
so I really felt that as soon as I, you know,
started speaking with Beto and the other leadership team, and
so I just decided that was my place for a
new home.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Off you went. Blaze is growing, yes, So what's the
total count? Now? What do you guys look like?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
About two hundred and seventy restaurants and then we're in
three different countries.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So share it with this with them as number one
in terms of pizza size. I mean in terms of
fast casual.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'm trying to think if there's another fast casual pizza,
bring that big over three.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Hundred, that would be big. Ye Okay, Well, congrats to
you guys on that. You look at the size of
a brand and to be able to scale like that
team obviously building is a very important component. How are
you guys approaching that because scalability in this environment right now,
where this industry as long as well as labor in
(05:05):
general just being challenged, How are you guys dealing with
being able to get the best talent?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, so, you know, it's I think it's a challenge
for everybody. And one of the things that we're really
putting forward is building a career path and building career
development and making sure that all the employees are engaged.
So in January, we implemented a new learning management system,
which is Opus, and we're finding that our team members
are really becoming.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Ingrained in the system.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
So you can communicate through the system, we can gamify it,
and it's really it's you know, everybody's on their phones anyway,
So allowing our employees to train on their phones and
you know in these micro learnings really.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Seems to be stacking.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
They like just shrying.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Videos they are they're short videos, quizzes, little modules, things
like that.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So this is a younger demographic then, yes, okay, So
right now, when you look at growing a brand like Blaye,
are you targeting that demo for your employment base or
are you looking broader?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
We're looking broader.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I think what we really want to do is find
people that want to embody the brand and really create
the best guest experience possible. So really hiring for fit
for culture and somebody that wants to be there, yeah,
and enjoys being there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well and okay, so you've got two generations that I
feel like have a little bit of a conflict, and
that is gen Z in the millennials all right, or
the younger millennials right, And because they kind of go
a little opposite direction. I mean, now millennials are kind
of the old school people. You know, how do you
deal with that in terms of the training mechanisms, the
(06:46):
conflicts that you see in staff, you know, how do
you guys deal with that?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah? So I think a lot of it is also
giving the general managers and the shift leads training and resources.
There's actually, in general, five different generations that are in
the workforce. You know, people want different things, So I
think it really matters to know who your staff are,
how they like to be communicated, how they like to
(07:10):
be recognized, and you really do have to cater and
build individual plans for everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Say, most of your hourly employees are gen z ory okay, yeah,
and are you finding that they are? I mean, people
joke about it all the time. The memes then TikTok
about how they want their work life balance and like
I need a mental health day, you know, things like that.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Are you finding that is true? Is that real? That's real?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
It sure is.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
They have no issues in telling you how they feel
about things very well.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
So we're happy that.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
They have a voice. And then you know, sometimes we're
happy that they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, I would think that would be a little bit frustrated,
but it's good for them.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I mean, you know, I mean, yeah, we're doing it wrong. Yeah,
they're very vocal.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, it's got to be setting kind of a new
tone too. I think for operators, because you realized operators
have come from you know, gen X managers and.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Team leads baby boomers and baby boomer.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Owners and CEOs. Now you're in Millennial, which is probably
your gms and maybe your area managers. And now you've
got gen Z, which is becoming your in inlet for crew.
This is going to create a new and I don't
know that we've had another generation like gen Z. Gen
Z is a completely new.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And every new generation millennial.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Millennials kind of had the gen X vibe.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, because it raised by GENA.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I would say they're the most similar.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
But you know, it's also really difficult to schedule exactly,
so they're like I can only work on a Saturday
from two to four, right, Like, okay, we're happy to
have you.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Then I guess the train the apps probably make that
a lot easier than you know, right.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There, Yeah exactly. Yeah, all right, well okay, so team
leads good. But now let's go into because you obviously franchise,
so building teams in the franchise community that's a little
different animal because your franchisees probably think a little differently
in terms of how they want to do it, probably
driven off community all that kind of stuff. What do
(09:10):
you guys do as far as requiring or adding resources
to the franchise community, especially in teams.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, so I think we lean on opus quite a bit,
and we just allow our franchisees to still embody the
Blaze culture, but maybe localize it. So do a lot
of local marketing and things like that, and that seems
to really allow them to flourish in the way that
they know they need to to be successful in their regents.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Does your training program also slide in? I mean, do
you guys kind of create the model and then hand
it over to the franchise e.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah, and then we also allow the franchisees to have
a voice, So we have a kind of a steering
committee when it comes to training. So if we're rolling
out something new, we want to make sure that we
have their buy in, so we kind of show them
the content and then we can roll it out.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I think the I think getting buy in on the
franchise level is very so for anything, what it is
is it mostly multi unit guys or are you finding so? Okay?
So what is the DNA of a franchise for Blaze?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Yeah, so so most of them are multi units. So,
and we have some very large franchisees that have I
would say largest has about forty we'll have forty three
stores there in California, and then we have some that
have one or two.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So we have the gamut of the.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Bigger ones I could see being prepared from an HR standpoint,
but the younger ones, kind of the new emerging brands.
Are you finding that's where you spend most of your time?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah, And so our franchise we have franchise business consultants
and they really come prepared with different resources and you know,
we want everybody to be successful that our FBC's are
really there to help drive that success for those for
those newer franchises, I.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Think this is I don't know, cher, have you seen.
I mean, here at the event, it's interesting to me
because you've got a couple of HR topics here. But
the younger brands that kind of come into they talk
a lot about people culture.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, it's like they're into it for I mean, they
don't just say it yeah, yeah, I know, they really
like it.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It seems like I mean, almost everybody there on the
Perfect Pitch always brought.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
That up right right, which and I again the life
balance things like they're they're totally into it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, Like what do you feel that that okay, because
obviously everybody's looking at gen Z is probably being the
driving force right now, but you're now marketing to jen A,
which is a whole new dynamic. This is a very
unusual time for the restaurant industry because you've got such
a bridge of demographics that cross over so much. What
(11:49):
would you say is your biggest challenge right now?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, So I think this is where data comes into play,
right and if we're using or we'll be using any
third party systems too, or platforms to help really identify
who our customer is, and then we'll know better what
channels to use, especially in social media.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Already partnered with those companies, are you looking?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
You know, we are partnered right now with Vicky, so
we're right in the implementation phase. So we're really excited
about that because that will just continue to give us
layers of data information where we can really fine tune
where to market, whether it's TikTok or Instagram, Yeah, most
likely TikTok.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah everything.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, So, do you have from an HR standpoint, kind
of a strategy that works in tandem with your social
media team so you can draw in some of that
new talent.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, so we really work a lot off referrals as well.
So I think that allows us because you know, when
I'm looking at recruiting, it's it's really the same philosophy
as how do we train our employees. We need to
meet them where they're at. So that's where data also
really comes into play, is I can find out if
(12:57):
we're more successful on TikTok than I want to be
advertising for recruiting more on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So I do think those things dovetail together.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Interesting when you say advertise, how what does that job.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Host like do job hostings?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I should say, do you have content that is drilled
around or built around? Because I've started to see a
little bit showing up in TikTok where they're actually pitching jobs.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah, so it's definitely something that I want to work
on for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
And I think it goes back.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
To just meeting people where they're at, and I think
what people want to see, and it goes back to
what we were just talking about. It's not just what
the job skills are, it's what am I going to
be doing? What does a day in the life of
a pizza smith look like? And not only exactly, and
not only just you know, what will my job responsibilities be,
(13:46):
but what is the culture? And you know, to hear
all the speakers this morning continue to talk about culture
and obviously that's music to my ears being in HR
and you know, I'm glad that we're people are finally
really seeing and it's not you know, it used to
be cliche, but people really are the biggest resource you
could possibly have, so let's make sure that they're happy.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And you know, I think it's just reciprocated.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The fact though that we're getting that many brands that
talked about that on stage today here at the event.
That seems like it's because it used to be kind
of rare.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, I don't think it's rare anymore. I think everybody
says it now.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So with that being said, everybody's talking culture, how does
Blaze actually win that culture war to get to the
people So they're like, Okay, who's got the real culture?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You know?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Kind of ye absolutely, And I think it starts before
we even hire somebody. So for me, the employee journey
and you know, our culture needs to be shown as
to why someone wants to apply to us. And I
think it's building out our social media, it's building out
our TikTok, it's showing all of those things because you know,
when people are looking for a job now, they'll do
(14:54):
hashtag blaze pizza or hashtag day in the life, and
they want to see that before they even apply. So
to culture is a living, breathing thing and we have
to constantly, you know, keep at it and make sure
that we're really making it, making it integrated throughout the system.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So this whole idea of what do you call it
micro learning revolution, Yes, thirty sixty second training videos. You
guys are dropping this in. You've got the great pizza standard.
Is that right? Okay? So it's golden round, evenly topped accurately.
All right, Explain how you put these together? What do
they look like? What would I expect if I came in?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Are we like on that after in the training or
is it yeah, No, we have a training team that.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
That's out there doing that and it's really yeah, And
it's really just something fun that we want to make
sure kind of becomes a mantra when people are when
people are out there on the floor, and it's also
something that we want our customers to know to expect
every time that they come to place is.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
The How effective is it? Do you think these micro learning.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think they're very effective.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I think gone are the days where people want to
read modules and you know, read novels to learn how
to train. Our attention spans are much shorter, and so
this is.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
They watch and then they make like they watch it
and then they make the pizza or kind of do
it at the same time.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, so the idea exactly, it's immersive. So you know,
we'd love for the first five minutes of every shift
a person you know and a team member to come
in and do their training and then they live and
breathe it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So do you find now, with YouTube being such a
treasure trove of education, it's also a mess over there.
But the point is there's a lot of our shows
on YouTube, so that's great, we're educating people out there.
But I'm finding brands now who let their team members
kind of run wild on YouTube, showing ches, showing different
(16:50):
things about how to do something. Here's a shortcut to this,
or here's how you do this particular the secret use. Yeah, exactly,
are you finding that a good thing or a bad
thing for for brands? In the future.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I think it's a good thing. I think, you know,
all all of those kinds of information. Yeah, I think,
you know hesitancy. I'm in HR, so you know, there's
always a way of risk. But I think that's what
makes things fun and adventurous, is you know, what what
are people saying about secret menus or I actually saw
TikTok last night for Blaze about a hack for Macros.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So I love seeing those.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Kinds of things. I think, you know, you want to
you want to hit all the niche markets as well,
so well, and I speak to the people.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Exactly and these you know, I think before we got
in this podcast today, we had to find a new driver.
So what did we go to We went to YouTube
to try to find it and then sure enough I
was like, oh there it is right there. Yeah, So
we learned some like like that fast and I was like,
imagine an era in fast casual where you have good
(17:57):
brands that kind of help build that library. That's a
long lasting library that can and plus that kind of
shows people a little bit about the restaurant brand itself
if they're just thinking about going there to eat, you know,
so exactly that kind of separates you from the pack
for sure. All Right, So trends because this is going
to air kind of toward the end of the year,
kind of curious on trends that you guys are watching
(18:18):
right now toward the end of the year in twenty six.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
As far as the industry.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, hr some tactics that you guys might be using
to get the best people.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, absolutely, so I really want to. So we're right
in the middle of an implementation for our HRIIS system,
so our corporate staff and our core support center will
be utilizing a new platform where I wanted to be
one source of truth, but I also wanted to be
a community. So I want, you know, when we have
new hires and training and things like that, all to
(18:51):
be in one space, which will be really nice.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So when you got there, is that something you were like, Okay,
we need to change this up to.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
See first goal one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
So I really want to make sure that our employees
have a voice, and not only do they have a voice,
but they know that we're going to listen. So I
actually we implemented a culture survey back in February, and
the results for culture were absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
So we scored off the charts where people love.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
We're working cross functionally, they love collaborating, So I want
to make sure that we continue that momentum. So we
actually reintroduced our brand book, which was really nice because
it gave everybody that north star for our mission and
our vision who we are as a culture. So I
just want to continue that growth as well, and I
(19:38):
think that'll lend itself to recruiting, you know, highly energetic
people and people that really want to come and embody
the brand.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
We use that to kind of formulate the career path
for people who want to stay.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Absolutely, yes, and I think you know, on the on
the support side, the platform that we'll be using will
have integrated training in it, and then also on the
system side, I think utilizing Opus it's going to be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah. Last question, if you look at this growth path
you're talking about, especially from inside, so you've got a
gen zer right now, maybe he's a CRUE lead, she's
a CRUE lead, And what does that growth path look
like in Blaze for them, you know, to kind of
become and make it a career.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Absolutely, and we've done that in the past, so those
are always you know, like our success stories that I
think are are built in recruitment stories. Right, we have
somebody that started out as a crew member and then
they went to a shift lead, and then they went
to a trainer. So now they're traveling across the United
States doing new restaurant openings.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Have had a crew person become a franchisee.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yet not to my knowledge, that would be high. Yeah,
that would be incredible.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
So I think this desguise the limit.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
You know, we want to make you want we always
want everyone to embody a path, and so.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
We want to make sure that we provide a compassionate
place in a safe space for them to be able
to to grow. Sharre.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
What do you think about pizza category right now?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think it's you know, it was hot for a
little bit and it was not. I kind of think
it's suttling into its own it's not it's a nice study.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, I think I think the brands like Blaze that.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Made it through, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Because there was a lot of concepts out there that
really struggle. It's going to happen in chicken you know,
we've seen.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
It already happened in the Froio and.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It leaves the good ones standing, you know, which is
kind of what everybody and then you're still.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Here right exactly, And that's why you know, the b yo.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Is so important, but so as being innovative, because that'll,
you know, bring in a new customer and then they'll
stay because we provide such a great experience and it's
so exciting to come in and choose your ingredients. So
we're we're really happy about where we're at as a
brand and where we continue to grow.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Good stuff. Stacy, thanks for coming in today.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
This is great.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
We don't get a chance to do these live as
much anymore. Sure, we're going to do these more roads.
This would be great go out on the road, fast casual,
but we're going to do it in the restaurant week.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Or we could podcast at the bar where we're going
to be full riding.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's not going to happen. I can see that.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Let's go, let's go exactly. We can see the last
longest microphone. Yeah exactly, you win.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I am like a challenge accepted.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, all right, you guys, you are here a fast
Kauju nation. Of course you know what to do. Make
sure at and subscribe and of course drop us a
comment down below and we will catch you on the
next episode of Fast Gauguination. Take care, mm hmm
All right, so welcome into another episode of Fast Casual Nation.
The difference today, of course, is we are here live Fast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Casual Executive Summit, our twentieth anniversary, so our first time
we've done an podcast together.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And of course Sharon I, as you guys know, normally
we kick this show off talking a little bit about
what's happening, what's getting ready to happen, but instead today
we're going to talk about what has happened here at
the show. So how's it going so far?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I mean, I think it's going great. The thing that
I think has been super fun was the perfect.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Pitch that we did.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
That was a blast.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
So we had round one last night, four rams pitched,
we voted for our favorite. Today we had another round
four and we voted, and then tomorrow so it will
be the Tappy Brothers versus the Travelers Carts.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
This is going to be a fight to the end. Yes,
because those two brands, by the way, I had both
those on my card good, So I was okay with those. Yeah,
I was good on the winners and the between those two.
I'm on a forecast one. I'm calling it because this
will be after the show.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So you can edit it if you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I think Tap Card's going to do it. I think
Tik Card's going to win it. That's my thinking. Travelers Cards,
Tyler's Card.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Okay, all right. I don't know the Tappy brothers are.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
They're tired, but that man that menu on the Traveler's
card was unbelievable. Anyway, listen, we've got a lot to
talk about here today. We have a special guest and
that is Stacy Gelber, who's coming in as the VP
of human Resources over a Blaze Pizza.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Great to have you, Thanks, happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, Blaze Pizza one of my favorite brands. One of
my favorite people, mister Greg Dollar right over there as
one of he's a board member, right yes, still okay,
he's still working in the fast casual wings and strings,
I think is what he does most of the time.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Absolutely love it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Tell me a little bit about where you are in
your own professional career at Blaze.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
So I've been at Blaze for a little over a
year and it's been absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So we are in the midst of transformation in a
really positive way.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
So it's a very exciting place to work. We actually
changed headquarters.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
From Pasadena to Atlanta a little bit before I started
over a year ago. So we've been rebuilding our support
center in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Why did you guys switch?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
So our leadership actually lives in Atlanta, so it just
made sense. And then you know, just the business in
Georgia is fantastic as well.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So it's really exciting.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
At next week, actually, we're opening up Ignite by Blaze.
It's a restaurant right around the corner from our headquarters
and it's going to be all things innovation. So we're
testing out new pizza ovens and a new conveyor oven
and just different operations and different technologies.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's still the Blaze brand, it's more.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Of like we've been calling it Project Incubator, So it's
going to be our kind of testing innovation restaurants. So
it's really exciting. Open for public, Yes, we open next
week for the public.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Wow, So you guys are putting it out on the line.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
We really are.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So what kind of stuffer you testing? Like kioks And we're.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Testing kiosk QR codes, different innovations and iterations of our menu.
So we'll always have the byo that build your own,
but just maybe some salads or you know, just.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Some fun things that we're cooking up in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Let's get into when you were entering the fast casual
segment and pizza has been a very crowded space and
very competitive. What made you say, Hey, this is this
is the challenge I want.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
To take, especially since you came from the healthcare background.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Is it is?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
And you know, it was really after speaking with Betto.
He's he's our CEO, and he's just absolutely fantastic. So,
you know, I feel like in human resources you can
really crossover industries and a lot of your skills are transerble.
But for me, I want to work in an organization
that leads with empathy and really cares and has compassion
(04:07):
and allows me to continue to build a culture where
our employees have a voice and our employees matter. And
so I really felt that as soon as I, you know,
started speaking with Beto and the other leadership team, and
so I just decided that was my place for a
new home.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Off you went. Blaze is growing, yes, So what's the
total count? Now? What do you guys look like?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
About two hundred and seventy restaurants and then we're in
three different countries.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So share it with this with them as number one
in terms of pizza size. I mean in terms of
fast casual.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'm trying to think if there's another fast casual pizza,
bring that big over three.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Hundred, that would be big. Ye Okay, Well, congrats to
you guys on that. You look at the size of
a brand and to be able to scale like that
team obviously building is a very important component. How are
you guys approaching that because scalability in this environment right now,
where this industry as long as well as labor in
(05:05):
general just being challenged, How are you guys dealing with
being able to get the best talent?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, so, you know, it's I think it's a challenge
for everybody. And one of the things that we're really
putting forward is building a career path and building career
development and making sure that all the employees are engaged.
So in January, we implemented a new learning management system,
which is Opus, and we're finding that our team members
are really becoming.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Ingrained in the system.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
So you can communicate through the system, we can gamify it,
and it's really it's you know, everybody's on their phones anyway,
So allowing our employees to train on their phones and
you know in these micro learnings really.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Seems to be stacking.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
They like just shrying.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Videos they are they're short videos, quizzes, little modules, things
like that.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So this is a younger demographic then, yes, okay, So
right now, when you look at growing a brand like Blaye,
are you targeting that demo for your employment base or
are you looking broader?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
We're looking broader.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I think what we really want to do is find
people that want to embody the brand and really create
the best guest experience possible. So really hiring for fit
for culture and somebody that wants to be there, yeah,
and enjoys being there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well and okay, so you've got two generations that I
feel like have a little bit of a conflict, and
that is gen Z in the millennials all right, or
the younger millennials right, And because they kind of go
a little opposite direction. I mean, now millennials are kind
of the old school people. You know, how do you
deal with that in terms of the training mechanisms, the
(06:46):
conflicts that you see in staff, you know, how do
you guys deal with that?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah? So I think a lot of it is also
giving the general managers and the shift leads training and resources.
There's actually, in general, five different generations that are in
the workforce. You know, people want different things, So I
think it really matters to know who your staff are,
how they like to be communicated, how they like to
(07:10):
be recognized, and you really do have to cater and
build individual plans for everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Say, most of your hourly employees are gen z ory okay, yeah,
and are you finding that they are? I mean, people
joke about it all the time. The memes then TikTok
about how they want their work life balance and like
I need a mental health day, you know, things like that.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Are you finding that is true? Is that real? That's real?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
It sure is.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
They have no issues in telling you how they feel
about things very well.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
So we're happy that.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
They have a voice. And then you know, sometimes we're
happy that they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, I would think that would be a little bit frustrated,
but it's good for them.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I mean, you know, I mean, yeah, we're doing it wrong. Yeah,
they're very vocal.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, it's got to be setting kind of a new
tone too. I think for operators, because you realized operators
have come from you know, gen X managers and.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Team leads baby boomers and baby boomer.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Owners and CEOs. Now you're in Millennial, which is probably
your gms and maybe your area managers. And now you've
got gen Z, which is becoming your in inlet for crew.
This is going to create a new and I don't
know that we've had another generation like gen Z. Gen
Z is a completely new.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And every new generation millennial.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Millennials kind of had the gen X vibe.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, because it raised by GENA.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I would say they're the most similar.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
But you know, it's also really difficult to schedule exactly,
so they're like I can only work on a Saturday
from two to four, right, Like, okay, we're happy to
have you.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Then I guess the train the apps probably make that
a lot easier than you know, right.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There, Yeah exactly. Yeah, all right, well okay, so team
leads good. But now let's go into because you obviously franchise,
so building teams in the franchise community that's a little
different animal because your franchisees probably think a little differently
in terms of how they want to do it, probably
driven off community all that kind of stuff. What do
(09:10):
you guys do as far as requiring or adding resources
to the franchise community, especially in teams.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, so I think we lean on opus quite a bit,
and we just allow our franchisees to still embody the
Blaze culture, but maybe localize it. So do a lot
of local marketing and things like that, and that seems
to really allow them to flourish in the way that
they know they need to to be successful in their regents.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Does your training program also slide in? I mean, do
you guys kind of create the model and then hand
it over to the franchise e.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah, and then we also allow the franchisees to have
a voice, So we have a kind of a steering
committee when it comes to training. So if we're rolling
out something new, we want to make sure that we
have their buy in, so we kind of show them
the content and then we can roll it out.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I think the I think getting buy in on the
franchise level is very so for anything, what it is
is it mostly multi unit guys or are you finding so? Okay?
So what is the DNA of a franchise for Blaze?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Yeah, so so most of them are multi units. So,
and we have some very large franchisees that have I
would say largest has about forty we'll have forty three
stores there in California, and then we have some that
have one or two.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So we have the gamut of the.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Bigger ones I could see being prepared from an HR standpoint,
but the younger ones, kind of the new emerging brands.
Are you finding that's where you spend most of your time?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah, And so our franchise we have franchise business consultants
and they really come prepared with different resources and you know,
we want everybody to be successful that our FBC's are
really there to help drive that success for those for
those newer franchises, I.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Think this is I don't know, cher, have you seen.
I mean, here at the event, it's interesting to me
because you've got a couple of HR topics here. But
the younger brands that kind of come into they talk
a lot about people culture.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, it's like they're into it for I mean, they
don't just say it yeah, yeah, I know, they really
like it.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It seems like I mean, almost everybody there on the
Perfect Pitch always brought.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
That up right right, which and I again the life
balance things like they're they're totally into it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, Like what do you feel that that okay, because
obviously everybody's looking at gen Z is probably being the
driving force right now, but you're now marketing to jen A,
which is a whole new dynamic. This is a very
unusual time for the restaurant industry because you've got such
a bridge of demographics that cross over so much. What
(11:49):
would you say is your biggest challenge right now?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, So I think this is where data comes into play,
right and if we're using or we'll be using any
third party systems too, or platforms to help really identify
who our customer is, and then we'll know better what
channels to use, especially in social media.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Already partnered with those companies, are you looking?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
You know, we are partnered right now with Vicky, so
we're right in the implementation phase. So we're really excited
about that because that will just continue to give us
layers of data information where we can really fine tune
where to market, whether it's TikTok or Instagram, Yeah, most
likely TikTok.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah everything.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, So, do you have from an HR standpoint, kind
of a strategy that works in tandem with your social
media team so you can draw in some of that
new talent.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Yeah, so we really work a lot off referrals as well.
So I think that allows us because you know, when
I'm looking at recruiting, it's it's really the same philosophy
as how do we train our employees. We need to
meet them where they're at. So that's where data also
really comes into play, is I can find out if
(12:57):
we're more successful on TikTok than I want to be
advertising for recruiting more on TikTok.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
So I do think those things dovetail together.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Interesting when you say advertise, how what does that job.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Host like do job hostings?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I should say, do you have content that is drilled
around or built around? Because I've started to see a
little bit showing up in TikTok where they're actually pitching jobs.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah, so it's definitely something that I want to work
on for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
And I think it goes back.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
To just meeting people where they're at, and I think
what people want to see, and it goes back to
what we were just talking about. It's not just what
the job skills are, it's what am I going to
be doing? What does a day in the life of
a pizza smith look like? And not only exactly, and
not only just you know, what will my job responsibilities be,
(13:46):
but what is the culture? And you know, to hear
all the speakers this morning continue to talk about culture
and obviously that's music to my ears being in HR
and you know, I'm glad that we're people are finally
really seeing and it's not you know, it used to
be cliche, but people really are the biggest resource you
could possibly have, so let's make sure that they're happy.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And you know, I think it's just reciprocated.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The fact though that we're getting that many brands that
talked about that on stage today here at the event.
That seems like it's because it used to be kind
of rare.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, I don't think it's rare anymore. I think everybody
says it now.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So with that being said, everybody's talking culture, how does
Blaze actually win that culture war to get to the
people So they're like, Okay, who's got the real culture?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You know?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Kind of ye absolutely, And I think it starts before
we even hire somebody. So for me, the employee journey
and you know, our culture needs to be shown as
to why someone wants to apply to us. And I
think it's building out our social media, it's building out
our TikTok, it's showing all of those things because you know,
when people are looking for a job now, they'll do
(14:54):
hashtag blaze pizza or hashtag day in the life, and
they want to see that before they even apply. So
to culture is a living, breathing thing and we have
to constantly, you know, keep at it and make sure
that we're really making it, making it integrated throughout the system.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So this whole idea of what do you call it
micro learning revolution, Yes, thirty sixty second training videos. You
guys are dropping this in. You've got the great pizza standard.
Is that right? Okay? So it's golden round, evenly topped accurately.
All right, Explain how you put these together? What do
they look like? What would I expect if I came in?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Are we like on that after in the training or
is it yeah, No, we have a training team that.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
That's out there doing that and it's really yeah, And
it's really just something fun that we want to make
sure kind of becomes a mantra when people are when
people are out there on the floor, and it's also
something that we want our customers to know to expect
every time that they come to place is.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
The How effective is it? Do you think these micro learning.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think they're very effective.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I think gone are the days where people want to
read modules and you know, read novels to learn how
to train. Our attention spans are much shorter, and so
this is.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
They watch and then they make like they watch it
and then they make the pizza or kind of do
it at the same time.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, so the idea exactly, it's immersive. So you know,
we'd love for the first five minutes of every shift
a person you know and a team member to come
in and do their training and then they live and
breathe it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So do you find now, with YouTube being such a
treasure trove of education, it's also a mess over there.
But the point is there's a lot of our shows
on YouTube, so that's great, we're educating people out there.
But I'm finding brands now who let their team members
kind of run wild on YouTube, showing ches, showing different
(16:50):
things about how to do something. Here's a shortcut to this,
or here's how you do this particular the secret use. Yeah, exactly,
are you finding that a good thing or a bad
thing for for brands? In the future.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I think it's a good thing. I think, you know,
all all of those kinds of information. Yeah, I think,
you know hesitancy. I'm in HR, so you know, there's
always a way of risk. But I think that's what
makes things fun and adventurous, is you know, what what
are people saying about secret menus or I actually saw
TikTok last night for Blaze about a hack for Macros.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
So I love seeing those.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Kinds of things. I think, you know, you want to
you want to hit all the niche markets as well,
so well, and I speak to the people.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Exactly and these you know, I think before we got
in this podcast today, we had to find a new driver.
So what did we go to We went to YouTube
to try to find it and then sure enough I
was like, oh there it is right there. Yeah, So
we learned some like like that fast and I was like,
imagine an era in fast casual where you have good
(17:57):
brands that kind of help build that library. That's a
long lasting library that can and plus that kind of
shows people a little bit about the restaurant brand itself
if they're just thinking about going there to eat, you know,
so exactly that kind of separates you from the pack
for sure. All Right, So trends because this is going
to air kind of toward the end of the year,
kind of curious on trends that you guys are watching
(18:18):
right now toward the end of the year in twenty six.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
As far as the industry.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, hr some tactics that you guys might be using
to get the best people.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, absolutely, so I really want to. So we're right
in the middle of an implementation for our HRIIS system,
so our corporate staff and our core support center will
be utilizing a new platform where I wanted to be
one source of truth, but I also wanted to be
a community. So I want, you know, when we have
new hires and training and things like that, all to
(18:51):
be in one space, which will be really nice.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So when you got there, is that something you were like, Okay,
we need to change this up to.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
See first goal one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
So I really want to make sure that our employees
have a voice, and not only do they have a voice,
but they know that we're going to listen. So I
actually we implemented a culture survey back in February, and
the results for culture were absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
So we scored off the charts where people love.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
We're working cross functionally, they love collaborating, So I want
to make sure that we continue that momentum. So we
actually reintroduced our brand book, which was really nice because
it gave everybody that north star for our mission and
our vision who we are as a culture. So I
just want to continue that growth as well, and I
(19:38):
think that'll lend itself to recruiting, you know, highly energetic
people and people that really want to come and embody
the brand.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
We use that to kind of formulate the career path
for people who want to stay.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Absolutely, yes, and I think you know, on the on
the support side, the platform that we'll be using will
have integrated training in it, and then also on the
system side, I think utilizing Opus it's going to be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah. Last question, if you look at this growth path
you're talking about, especially from inside, so you've got a
gen zer right now, maybe he's a CRUE lead, she's
a CRUE lead, And what does that growth path look
like in Blaze for them, you know, to kind of
become and make it a career.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Absolutely, and we've done that in the past, so those
are always you know, like our success stories that I
think are are built in recruitment stories. Right, we have
somebody that started out as a crew member and then
they went to a shift lead, and then they went
to a trainer. So now they're traveling across the United
States doing new restaurant openings.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Have had a crew person become a franchisee.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yet not to my knowledge, that would be high. Yeah,
that would be incredible.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
So I think this desguise the limit.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
You know, we want to make you want we always
want everyone to embody a path, and so.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
We want to make sure that we provide a compassionate
place in a safe space for them to be able
to to grow. Sharre.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
What do you think about pizza category right now?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think it's you know, it was hot for a
little bit and it was not. I kind of think
it's suttling into its own it's not it's a nice study.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, I think I think the brands like Blaze that.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Made it through, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Because there was a lot of concepts out there that
really struggle. It's going to happen in chicken you know,
we've seen.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
It already happened in the Froio and.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It leaves the good ones standing, you know, which is
kind of what everybody and then you're still.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Here right exactly, And that's why you know, the b yo.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Is so important, but so as being innovative, because that'll,
you know, bring in a new customer and then they'll
stay because we provide such a great experience and it's
so exciting to come in and choose your ingredients. So
we're we're really happy about where we're at as a
brand and where we continue to grow.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Good stuff. Stacy, thanks for coming in today.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
This is great.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
We don't get a chance to do these live as
much anymore. Sure, we're going to do these more roads.
This would be great go out on the road, fast casual,
but we're going to do it in the restaurant week.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Or we could podcast at the bar where we're going
to be full riding.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's not going to happen. I can see that.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Let's go, let's go exactly. We can see the last
longest microphone. Yeah exactly, you win.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I am like a challenge accepted.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, all right, you guys, you are here a fast
Kauju nation. Of course you know what to do. Make
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next episode of Fast Gauguination. Take care, mm hmm
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Ruthie's Table 4
For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.