2025 NFL Draft Grades - You're Welcome (Ep. 213)

Zach and Jake hand out their 2025 NFL Draft grades.... before the draft.              

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, Hello, Welcome back to the Flurry Sports podcast. And
tonight the sports industry is getting lazy. You know, everyone's
everyone's trying to analyze the draft. We're going to grade
the draft. It's been done. Everybody has done what they're
going to do. Everybody hands out their draft grades after

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the draft. I don't really understand what they're doing. So
tonight everyone has their first round draft pick. Jake, it's
the first time in a long time that we're entering
the NFL draft. Everybody has their draft picks, so we
have all the information we need is what I'm hearing.
So tonight we're going to grade the draft one through
thirty two. How did every team do in a way,

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So what we're going to do. We have a tier
list and we're grading it on how important and how
or how much is this team's first round draft pick
going to help them? Is it going to you know,
vault them to a Super Bowl? Or no matter what
they do, somehow, some way, will they get worse based

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on whoever they pick. We got a nice tier list.
But before we jump into that, how you doing anything
you want to talk about? Get off your chest. It's
WrestleMania week. You've been elbow dropping everybody you've seen. It's crazy,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I've been telling everyone we're actually not into John Cena
right now, so everyone stop getting excited.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, we see you, John for the first time in
a long time. We see who you truly are one and.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I feel like there is a big disconnect between. I
think casual fans are like, oh, John Cena, and right now,
like people who watch the product are like, this guy
fucking sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Won't even change his gimmick even though we wanted him to.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's the funniest thing. Well, it's to do what we wanted, asshole.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
And and by the way, it's what he's been doing
his whole career. I'm like, if he did it now,
we would cheer him. It's the whole deal. So he's
doing great. I couldn't be more pumped for WrestleMania. I
weirdly feel like people are going in under hyped.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
It does feel that way. It snuck up on me.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
It it's sneaky. It's uh. I heard someone say this,
so I'm copying a little bit. When Triple H plans
things out a year in advance, I don't think it
feels as exciting because a year ago we knew what
they were building to.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
But it will be good.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
But it's like everyone's like, uh, where's the suspense? And
I'm like, isn't it funny when you know, like what
a booker might do. It is like my friends would
just show up and be like, I've actually switched to half.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Of the card. I like that though. I like I
like the unpredictability. I like the chaotic nature that Vince
brings to the day to day of the w Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
We need we need definitely more of it. Not quite
as much as we had, but you know, sure some
in there listen. I've said this before. Maybe it's because
we were watching it at the same time. Triple H
could never never do the tractor rock match. You can
never do it. Ironically, I think he technically did. I

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think he. I think he was technically in charge because
Vince just left and he's like, Brock, if you come back,
I'll give you a tractor. But like doesn't do that anymore.
He won't do Knoxville Sammy's eight.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
You know, No, he's he's less about the gimmick. He's
more about putting wrestlers over, which is what he should do. Wow.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, it's good. Sometimes books suck, just you.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Know about we need a palette cleanser in between the
good content. You know, Johnny Knoxville, get a mouse track.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I do feel like this is my overall thought coming
into this week, which is everyone needs to back off
the same three weeks in April, which is true this week.
First off, this first thing, I'm gonna say, it's gonna
sound time because these two things are always connected. I
was like, this week is both Passover and Easter, which
feels weirdly closer than this year, but it's it's always
a week apart. Yeah, I understand, but that feels close.

(04:27):
Master Sunday into WrestleMania weekend. Stop stop too much going on?
I think NBA playoffs are.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Starting and NHL.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, why would stop everything? Everybody split up? Search for clues?
Golfs The one I'm most mad at. I we all
cared about Rory McElroy yesterday.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Did not. I wanted him to choke so bad that's
what he does. Did he did? And then he tried. Yeah,
first Master's winner with like two double bow. He is like,
good for you, dude, Yeah, loser, well and listen.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
It took a lot of like Deshamba had an all
time bad day that one. I don't know if you
actually watch it, but Albert the like young stud who's
gonna be the best guy in golf. Yeah, just an
astronomically bad end of the day, like the fact he
wasn't in consideration for the playoff. I think he finished
three below him or something like that, Like he was

(05:25):
tied for the lead at his fifteen Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean it was gifted to Rory on silver platter
and he's still chucked the platter into the bunker, but
somehow they went and got it for him, like hey,
it's your time. It felt that felt booked. That felt
like a triple H booking. Not Evince booking.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
No, not Evince booking where the guy Tiger comes back out.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's exactly. Yeah, his music hits.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Of course it's Tiger. Yeah, because this makes sense. No,
but we're just gonna go with it. Yeah, more appropriately
probably Phil Michelson.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
True, that's true, but flip it off. All the women,
all the gay people. He's just you know, doing all people. Yeah, yeah,
sorry to collect, but no. So it's it's been a
whild weekend.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Like I the NBA has gone to point. I don't
think they've even tricked us into caring about the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
No, there's an article I I was just going through,
like athletic articles. The one is will the Warriors bounce
back in the play in tournament? Yeah? Probably? Like who cares?
Like are they going to figure it out? Or is
it gonna be an exit? I'll find out later. They
got Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry. I'm gonna guess they win.

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Do I know they play? No?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
No, it's did they play the Clippers who also have
James Harden, which is weird?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Oh yeah they do. I was about to correct you,
but like, no, I had it backwards. He is there now,
and I think, why is playing? That's a fifty to
fifty I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, no fucking shot.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
The Pistons made it. Everyone's just everyone's like, no one
wants to play the Pistons right now. I'm like, guess
what everybody does. They were saying that at eat sped today.
Nobody wants to face Detroit that's crazy. Yeah, that's what
needs to be pushed. By the way, NBA, if you
want me to care, say, hey, guess what detroits somehow? Okay,

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and nobody wants to play them?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
And yeah, and no one wants to play them. Yeah.
By the way, the play in tournament miserable, so stupid
Hawks magic. He pulls Mavericks, King's Grizzlies Warriors. So you
got John the Grizzlies versus the Warriors. That's names I know.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Cool. Draymond's gonna bait John to whipping out a fake gun.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
We know that, we know that. That's a good point.
The Kings the beam.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Beat me up, the worst gimmick in sports.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
By the way, I feel like we owed the NBA
big fu for the Mavericks still being in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's a good point. They're done for. They might as
well sell the franchise. Oh they're the playoffs. I mean
they can nick out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
And by the way, you can't hit me with both sides,
because to your point, everyone's like the Warriors in the
playing game. They're gonna get hot. They're in the same
thing the Mavericks are in. Who are dead? They're the
worst team in sports.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Give give me, I mean NBA is probably booked. Just
give me Mavericks Lakers, and let me see Anthony Davis
take out Lebron Just close line them. Let me see
one of those things, or Bronni be the one to
take out a d That could be good too, by.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
The way, And then I'm gonna be done talking about
the NBA. Thank God, great, great, Yeah, here is my
one thing. Spoilers, we're both in on this. All the
people who are about you know you're joining the Lakers bandwagon.
There's no there's no world. Anthony Edwards is about to
drop eighty. He's a psych He is a psychopath, and

(09:21):
this is what he was built for. Oh, no, one
thinks we're gonna win.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Sick Luca could be the greatest Laker of all time
and Edwards just dunked all over. He crazy. Yeah, he's
he Yeah, honestly, I mean we like the Wolves anyways,
but Anthony Edwards this is he's kind of Jimmy Butler,
but he's better. Like He's just gonna come into the

(09:47):
playoffs and talk all the ship, which is what we need.
He's Draymond's attitude in a good basketball player's body. Which
is awesome. Draymond is great for the NBA, he's just
not good for his team. Anthony Edwards is both, which
is awesome.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
If you know, we should do this every once in
a while. What's like a sports clip everyone should go
watch if people haven't watched the clip from the Netflix
documentary about the Olympic team where somehow Anthony Edwards traps
Obama into a conversation.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's awesome because you can see all the players in
the background, go, mister President, get out of here, because
like he's like trying to egg on and he's like, oh,
this kid thinks he's the truth, and you can see
everyone else go, don't do this because an ironically to
a former president of the United States is like this

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guy doesn't know who I am.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Like, try to get it out of Anthony Edwards trap
by the way, just made a career of it.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Absolutely, but it's true because it's a group of friends
being like, mister President, he does not care who you
are anyone else in the Like we're moments away from
him calling you a little bitch, like we gotta get
out of here.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, settle it on the court. Pres let's go one
on one shoot him up.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
But uh yeah, by the way, I do sometimes like
to think I do this with Obama in a few circumstances.
Anytime Obama makes the news, imagine it was any other president.
And that always becomes funny to me. Like he releases
like his album of the Year list, I'm like, can
you imagine if it was like Ronald Reagan's album of
the Year. You know, Bill Clinton's books he reads?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I mean fucking either of the last two.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I know, but exactly exactly, But can you imagine Donald Trump.
I had to have a conversation with Anthony Edwards and you,
by the way, pick any other president. It's just like
it's it's not a commentary on Democrat renemblic It's just no.
There are moments where I'm like, you can tell he's
the first black man we've ever elected.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, yeah, he was the first human.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
He does afterwards, it's like he's producing things now. He's
just like a producer on television shows.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Right, Imagine what could happen if you don't elect a
president who's eight eighty years old and on death's when
they leave the way out.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
But then you know they're pros and contact because sometimes
that happens, and then that fifty year old man has
to talk to Anthony Edwards and.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's true, that's true, and he's the Edwards is going
to let him know.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
That is such a good one two punch and Anthony Edwards, Oh,
you think you're the best player in the world. I'm
the truth. Okay, gotta get out of here. Whenever people
start referring to themselves as nouns.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Get out, god. I mean, yeah, we need we need
a one on one conversation between both truths, Paul Pierce
and Anthony Edwards, because they are the same person, aren't
they They.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
That's that's honestly so true, and there's no world that
should be We'll do that show. Sometimes players, Paul Pierce
thinks he's better than that because this is just yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
He's he would do the same thing to Obama. Two.
Paul Pierce is a man amongst boys. In his world.
He is better than every person he's ever come in
contact with. Yeah, and by the way, he thinks he
assembled the Big Three. He thinks he did everything. He
cured his own cramps after getting wheeled out on a wheelchair.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
There's no funnier there's no funnier thing than like, Paul Pierce,
great basketball player. Yeah yeah, but there's nothing funnier than
the guy being like it's a great example, I am
the best player of the Big Three when arguably he
was the fourth best player of the Big three.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Fair enough, you know him without Rondo, that team would
have won. Ship Rondo was insane. He was just he
never spoke up like, hey, how about a big four?
You know, all he had to do is chime in
and it would have been fined.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Well, listen, Paul Pierce would have had that. No, it's secret.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Heel all along. Ray Allen. Yeah, worst human on the planet. Despicable,
It's the worst fucking Ray Allen. Honestly, the most impressive
thing Kevin Garnet's ever done is not murder Ray Allen
because he wanted to.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, what do you think about Alan being back around
the Celtics again. I just saw a thing where he
came and spoke to the locker room.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
They're not my Celtics, so I don't care. It makes sense.
Jason Tatum is a big loser, so I'm sure he
invited him. But you know who I think didn't want
that him there though, Brad Stevens. I respect Brad Stevens,
good guy, nos.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Ball, Butler's finest.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah. If you graduate Butler and we know your name,
you're a big.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Deal graduate Butler did he just coach.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Here, graduated from the school hard knocks at. Butler won games.
Gordon Hayward, Brad Stevens one too. I don't know anybody else.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
No, but that's not true. By the way, Duke should
have gave him that ship. Yeah, for sure, that shots
should have gone in.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of things Duke should
have done that year and beyond the show. Yeah, it's true. True,
I'm still expecting coach k to come back next year.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
That's true. The second protest of a week that can't
figure out what sport it wants to focus on or holiday.
We're gonna talk about something that's not happening this week.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
True, that's kind of what we like to do. And
let's talk about the NFL Draft. It's been too long,
it's been too much time. Again, we are handing out
the NFL Draft grades already, So we are grading this
on the first round. Every single team, all thirty two
teams have their first round pick, and we are grading
it on how much their first round pick is going

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to help them, hurt them, or what's going to happen.
We know what's gonna happen. We know what teams do.
We know there's gonna be teams that fuck up. Hello, Raiders,
you do it every time. There's going to be teams
that somehow win the draft for uninexplicable reasons. Eagles, somehow
you're going to draft cam Ward at thirty two. You're

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gonna do something like that, because the Eagles always do that.
So we are going to grade all thirty two teams
on how much their first round pick is going to
help them, and we will revisit this because I guarantee
we are one hundred percent correct. I guarantee a one
success rate, don't you I one.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Hundred percent so by our own patricks, and no one
else is because remember, your truth is your truth unless
you're an Edwards and then you're just the truth.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Bingo bingo. So let's just go in alphabetical order, which
I think is what these are in. So Cardinals, and
if we need a tie breaker, I think we're going
to be on the same page. But if we need
a tie breaker, we'll go in the middle. Cardinals, what's
your thoughts on the salting Cracker of the West?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, so the cars for those you need a reminder,
they are coming in with the sixteenth pick. Jeez, okay,
can we play this game too as we go along?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
That like that feels too high? Like for the Cardinals. Yeah,
they're the sixteenth victim on the top ten.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
No, Yeah, they're dead in the middle. They are the
the They're just a complete desert. They're in the desert
physically and in the draft. Like, no one cares about
the Cardinals whatsoever. Yeah, how do they win? How do
they finish in the middle? There's no reason for that.
James Connor, there's.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
No James Connor is the reason for that coming off
where it's like they're big guys Marvin Harrison Junior who
did nothing, who did nothing? They are gonna draft a
lineman defensive or offensive.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, they'll probably go a defensive line. Man.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
This this team doesn't get better here right, Like, I
I don't think they can fuck it up because riddle me,
this audience, how do you fuck up? The sixteenth pick
feels tough?

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Also, name name a good or a bad draft pick
from their first round over the past five years. I
know name either.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
So this is my debate. This is a tough team
to start with, Like are they fucked it up? Or
are they treading water.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I think they're treading water, Like, yeah, could could they
have a slightly worse record. Sure, They're not gonna have
a worse team because of this pick.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
No, And I think it's likely. Here's what I don't know.
I think they're probably gonna get the position right, but
the guy wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Sure, or it's just going to be Cardinals luck where
they get hurt. Like, I don't think they're They're just
not going to get a superstar.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
No, for sure. I like what I kind of have
in my mind is like the year that the the
Eagles didn't draft Justin Jefferson, the Cardinals are like projected
to take a D lineman. It's like the next guy
will be khali O Mack. But I think treading because
as much as I'm surprised they're only the sixteenth pick,
I feel like they're there every year.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, they are right where they kill sixteenth pick?
Yeah yeah. Falcons. This one's tough for me because normally
I would say Falcons are they're.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Doing they are top of your head.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Falcons are I mean, they're near the middle. They are.
I should know this. They're like twelve, aren't they fifteenth?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Right next to a couple.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Of birds, a couple of birds in a row here.
Normally I would say the Falcons are gonna get a
little bit better. But last year they completely threw away
anything that they wanted to do or anything they needed
to do. They overpaid got Penix, who I like, but
they didn't need to do that. Aftery're just paying Kirk Cousins,
who's still on the team, still getting paid hundreds of
millions of dollars. And then at the trade deadline like, oh,

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we can't get a pass rush, but we will make
the playoffs. Let's do nothing. And then they didn't make
the playoffs because they didn't have a pass rush. So
this team doesn't make good decisions. So they're one of
the bottom two for me, they could fuck this up.
This current regime is proving they might do that.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Here's my question. Did they fuck up last year? Technically?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
You know? Now? I mean for the time, if they
drafted a defensive lineman it could have been a bad one.
They would have made the playoffs last year that's the
only thing they had to do.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I think it's treading water because I think they I
think we can't rule out that the regime was just
like fuck Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Maybe true.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
So maybe now they're like, we got it out of
our system. It was just that we knew that guy stuck.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, that's fair. I think that's completely fair. And I
like Pennix. I don't think they've drafted a bad player.
It's just they I don't know what they were doing.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
No, literally two different groups running that organization.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, it made no sense. Okay, Ravens, they have
been drafting well and they're a good team. So we're
actually talking about a team that's probably gonna get better.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
But late pick twenty seventh pick.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Right, so that's tough. Could they get somebody who gets
them over the hump? Though? Question what the Ravens over
the past what five years, has been How do they
get over the hump? Do you think they can do that?

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Well, here's my thing. I don't think. I think it's
silly if the Ravens are like, at the twenty seventh pick,
we're gonna draft our way over the hump, like you
should draft to field potential holes. At that point, you
should draft to build depth. Like all the mock drafts

(21:45):
I'm looking at have a pass rusher. Yeah, but um,
I think it's your doing something because I think they
I think the Ravens are looking for pieces. I don't
want to hold the Ravens accountable in their draft for
whether or not they should make more offseason moves. M

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but I think they draft well. I just that is
not the reason why the Ravens are here. I think
they always draft well, and it's like cool teams at
draft well should be more aggressive and free agency not reverse.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I agree, and I completely agree with the ranking too.
They'll get a little bit better. They will draft for
the need that they have, and the player that they
draft will be pretty good. They're just not going to
be the star of the team. They're not going to
be the reason they win. They're not going to be
the reason they lose. The Ravens will just be the Ravens.
Now will the Bills be the Bills? We have seen

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them say, hey, Jeeves, do you need a speedy receiver.
We can give you them. We'll do that. We can
take a bad receiver after you. That's cool. We can
do that they did that last year. They draft pass
rushers that aren't very good. They do stuff like that.
This year they could be looking for a pass rusher again.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Defensive back is what I see.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Couple spots defensive back for sure.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Always every team's like, I guess we could use another
one of those.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
But I mean, the Bills have had the same needs
for ever, and they just draft players that aren't very good,
or if they are good, they let them walk, and
then they overpay at a couple of weird positions and
that's about it. So, while the Bills are a good team,
and while they could potentially compete for the AFC, not
a Super Bowl, because this is not a team built

(23:28):
for the Super Bowl, they will never win a Super Bowl?
Are they going to fuck this up? I would? I
think last year without a doubt they fucked it up
without a doubt because they handed their rival the best
player available and then they took a player who might
not start that he's just not very good a receiver

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in Kean Coleman. So what are they going to do
when they're.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
In the exact same spot. They are one pick directly
in front of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
M for now, for now.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
True, I think they could. Yeah, that's so true because
they have like a is it weird that I'm like
in between now fuck it up in big pick?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Like, I don't see anyway as a big pick. I
can see treading water considering they have the same needs
as they've had for five years, ten years.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, I think what I'm getting stuck on, but I
think I'm gonna ride with you. But just to articulate
my thought, I think what I'm getting stuck on is,
however you feel about the Bills as how they are run.
I sincerely think like there is something to the fact
that if they do just flip flop the pick with
the Chiefs last year and don't get Kean Coleman, instead

(24:43):
get Savior Worthy. Yeah, yeah, got his first day. That's
how close we are. Yeah, instead get Worthy. I feel
like everyone's like, oh, you would have won the Super
Bowl if you just got that pick right. So that's
where I'm like, well, if they're one pick away, you
know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Doesn't they should be?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
You're right, But at the same time that but if
we think they're gonna get it wrong, well then it's
a fucking up.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I think they still need a receiver. What did they
do last year? They traded away the fastest receiver, they
drafted a receiver who's bad, and then at the trade
deadline they traded for Amari Cooper only to do nothing
with them. Like they don't make good decisions. I think
their general manager is good. I think this is a
good team, but I know they're just not going to

(25:28):
make a good decision. It might not kill them. It's
proven that they're not going to sink their team.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
True, Well, then I think it should be treading water.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
It's the Bills are the Bills. It just is what
it is. Sorry about it.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
A team that's not gonna fucking tread wather though I.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Won't allow it.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
We're sinking or swimming with the Cats, dude.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, for sure they will. It'll be polarizing, I can
guarantee it.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
But little I don't know why. And the opposite reaction
to them and the uh Cardinals, I was like they
gotta be like pick thirteen, and like, no, they were
still bad.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
They were historically bad. And then they ended the season
stronger than they should have.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, and in fact, should like played themselves out of
the number one pick.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
So the eight seed.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
What do you think coming in because they're just out
of like all the top names in this draft pool,
so they kind of they should get first DIBs of
crop B let's call them, right.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I think they're in a decent position because, like everyone
knows on the planet what they're gonna do. They had
like a historically bad pass rush. Yeah, it was unbelievably terrible,
So they're just they're gonna draft that and there's gonna
be three four guys available. So I think no matter
who they draft is gonna make them better for sure.
How big of a difference is it gonna make Probably

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not a huge one. But I think it's going to
be a good player. I think it's going to be
a good addition. They just need two of the player
that they draft, essentially, and they don't have that luxury.
But I think it's you're doing something or a big pick.
Probably doing something because it's the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
But I think there's a world Let me play through
options of big pick or fuck it up, because I
think there's a real chance that some of the big
big names in this draft slip yea, whether that's I
mean you joked earlier, I don't think Kim Woard, but

(27:28):
like u s doers projected right now to go one
pick below them? So projected to be there for the Panthers.
So do they do that? That's crazy? Do they? Ashton
Genti's projected to go.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Above him?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Travis Hunter is one where I'm like, do the Browns,
you know, do the Browns just eat shit? And then
everyone else doesn't know what to do and then Travis
Hunter hangs around way longer than he should and then
if that happens, this is but here's my thing is
like I actually think that could be worst case scenario
for the Panthers. I'll pick on Ashton Gent. Like, let's

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say Ashton Genty splits or slips and everyone knows the
Panthers should take a pass Rusher hm, then you have
the world's buffest running back available night Zach, And do
you you know, do you avoid temptation?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think Gent gets drafted after the Panthers, so I
think it's not even a slit. So that's kind of
where my mind is.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
I think some but okay, but that's what I'm saying
is like someone in that group I think is gonna
take him, maybe earlier than they should because what is
a running back's value? I think that's fair. And is
that team the Panthers, whose eyes just get a little big.
But that could be a big pick. What if is
just awesome?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It could be they just drafted a running back in
the second round last year and then they got fucked
over because he got hurt again and he's gonna be
out all of this year.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Okay, I've talked to myself into doing something or big pick,
because I do think it's like, honestly, Panthers, go ahead,
bust this pick. It's like, all right, the rebuild ads
another year.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Right at this point, I just don't see any way
they can get worse. Like there's only one weight, there's
one direction. Well, we can revisit it. I'll go doing
something for now. We can move them up if we
need to.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Oh, everyone, the drafters.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, the Bears. Here's the thing. The Bears have been
drafting pretty good in this offseason. They've been doing pretty good.
Does that mean they're due to fuck it up or
does that mean they're just going to continue to get good.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
I think they're gonna continue to do good. I honestly
do think it's like all the projections I've seen on
the Bears are also I think the worst they could
do is pick again the wrong guy at the right position.
I don't think they're like taking any risky positions that
will make or break. Like feels like they're going to

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take a tight end or a lineman.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
And if you pick this is where I projected genty
to go.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, I mean one hundred percent. That honestly is like
I think the Bears could be one who take a
big swing on a big name, and like, honestly, that's
what I don't think they should do.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Like that's fair. Yeah, gent's smart. I guess.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I guess I wasn't thinking of genty though, because it's like, yeah,
they could use it like go ahead put and make
them your starting running back. That's awesome. You know that
is so interesting. I think this is. But it can't
be a big pick because like, if it's not genty,
I just you think it could be.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Do you think last year they made two picks?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
They absolutely did. I just didn't know. I guess it
depends on if you think genty. Let's say it's not genty,
who are the big pick options that will still be
there at ten?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
They could go corner back. Yeah, the guy from Michigan,
Will Johnson. That would be a big pick. I think. Yeah.
I don't think they go offensive line because they just
traded and signed a couple of big ones his offseason.
They kind of figured that out. Finally they could go
edge rusher. I wouldn't consider an edge rusher a big pick,
but that's what I was kind of thinking. Yeah, yeah,

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in that weird spot, is.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Is the Penn State tight end the big pick?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
He's He's He's really fucking good, because I think.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
There's a real chance between the three you said, the
corner Mike Johnson, Gent and Tim Like, no question, one
of those three is still there.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
For whatever reason. This is a flaw of mine. Tyler Warren,
the Penn State tight end who's extremely good. I haven't
even considered him to be drafted anywhere except for the Colts.
And that's a flaw of mine. Like I'm just like
white and Blue. He's going to the Colts. Colts need him,
He's going to go there. He could get drafted before
the Colts and I'm just not even considering it.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
The odds he gets strapped before the Colts pretty.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
High, very high. A lot of people think he's going
to the Jets at six or eight or what. Yeah, yeah,
but I don't think so oh whatever, maybe they move
up or down one. If he goes to the Bears,
that's a big pick. He's really, really, really good.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
I think we go big pick for the Bears.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I think so too. That's unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
I think so too also didn't even consider this out
of all the teams we talked about. I also think
Bears could dick on the table trade up.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, I think they really value opening round. Let's just
get studs. I don't think they're a depth team at
this point. I think they're still like, no, let's keep
your people to build their future around. So I could see,
like to your point, like if they're in on Warren
like trading with the Jets or something.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, that would actually be a decent spot for the
Jets to trade too, So that'd be gent or genty. Yeah.
I think I think they're taking a big swing, and
I think they're going to offense for sure because of
Ben Johnson.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
There now and by the way, we're gonna get to
them later. I have a similar flaw with you, and
it's that any running back who somewhat reminds me of
a vibe of Marshall Lynch. I'm like, I mean, he's
gonna be a raider. A gent's going to Vegas. He
might I almost, He's going to Oakland and then he'll
go to Vegas.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeahrimage, that's right, Yeah, he'll walk there. Let's go Bengals.
I'm getting more and more out on the Bengals as
the days go on. It's a weird spot. If they
don't sign Trey Hendrickson back. They are kind of extremely
desperate for a pass rusher, since that would mean they
lost both of them, including the sac leader, which would

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be insane. This is a this is Bengals could absolutely
trade up. They absolutely could trade Hendrickson away for another
first round pick. So it's super interesting. But they could
fuck it up. Like I think, they're in a position
where they know what they need and they're spending all
this money so they need cheap talent. But I could

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see them fucking this up big. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I also, to me, it's treading water fuck it up
because if they don't, Yeah, that's and I'm with you
on I guess I'm considering this. If they don't get
hendricks in because then no world where you draft someone
who as good as he is correct, so you are
at best slightly declining, you know. And also like most

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of the things I'm looking at right now for mock drafts,
and from what I heard, like they'll be the third
WORF team to take an edge rusher at this point.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, that's not the draft. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, they're not gonna get the guide that's gonna lead
your team at sacks correct.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
So yeah, to me, I'm fine with treading water if
we want to go there.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
I think they're gonna fuck it up.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
I think so they are, the way they're handling shit
this offseason.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I think I think they're gonna take another wide receiver honestly,
the worst option they could do.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, I mean they just drafted Burton or whatever. Who
is a loser. They're taking weapons. Yeah, you know, it's
a serious problem for some GMS addictions. Not, No, it's not.
You can call somebody, call a friend.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Honestly, Well, I should have taken the lineman Itis is
a real thing that happens in the league.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Mm hmmmm, Hey, why do we need a block if
we just have another weapon to throw it too?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, it's just like how you know, ALS is now
Luke Gary syndrome. I would be fine if we called
it Andrew lux syndrome. Also as.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Sorry, LS is not a joke? Is a joke?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
We're agreeing with you.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
By the way, if you're listening to this and you're going,
ALS isn't a joke?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's what we're trying to say. Okay,
Brown's okay, Browns, here we go, Sack.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
This is one of the big ones because they are
the second pick. Everyone and their mom's going They're gonna take.
They're gonna forget take Travis Hunter.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Right, uh, not necessarily. I think they can go Carter.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Oh yeah, okay, but.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
At number two overall, you shouldn't be able to fuck
it up. No, you shouldn't. But good it is Cleveland. Theoretically,
they don't have a bad choice. However, I would say
the bad choice for them would be sure if they
decide they wanted to words.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Out of my mouth. What if they take or Ashton
also crazy, it would be even worse. I'm just throwing
they could do yeah or somehow. The number two spot
is I will say, the only spot in the draft
where I do think it can be a bad look
to take an offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
And not at the fault of the lineman.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I'm just thinking of sub drafts where everyone's like, you
need a skill position any and all, and he will
do and it's like Luke Rimer offensive God like Jesus Christ, Okay,
thank you, no.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Need for that. Yeah, yeah, I think here's the thing.
What we got to define the scale now that we're
about a quarter of the way and we got to
define this. Yeah. Yes, So I think they're going to
pick a good player, But does it matter? That's kind

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of what we're talking about. I think they're going to
pick a great player. Does it matter? And if it
doesn't matter, are they treading water? Because I think if
they take Carter, I think that's great, and then I
think Miles Garrett's gonna say see you later and Miles
Garrett's gone. Or if they take a quarterback they're playing
behind Flacco, then me, Flacco's starter there, He's already proven that.

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Or if they take Travis Hunter, Okay, great, he plays cornerback,
Lamar's gonna run by him. If he plays wide receiver,
who cares?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I think, to be fair though, it is a good question,
but I think to be fair, this pick still helps that.
I think them being in a general state of they
have so many holes to fix. I don't think this
pick is treading water. I think this pick a year
from now is a step in the right direction, hopefully.
Like to me, it is either a positive pick or

(38:45):
it's a fuck it up.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Okay, But if it's a positive pick, like, is it
like they're doing something like hey, it's not going to
make a big impact on them, but they're at least
trying to get better. Is that what that category is
meaning here for them?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I here's how I would define it. Like to me,
big pick is a clear improvement, and.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I don't think it's going to be an improvement though
I think he could be the greatest player on the planet.
Joe Thomas was unbelievable. He is the biggest loser in NFL.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
It's about bad they would have been without Joe Thomas.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
They didn't win a game.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
But only one season. I will say I've been thinking
about this a lot. Travis Hunter going there and being
like everyone going like told you he was fine, even
though he'll be like stellar, because what will his impact
be on that team? I think it's got my pick

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as you're doing something. I think by definition they are like,
or fuck it up. I'm still in camp. If you're
about to tell me they're for sure going to take Shadure,
then you could you could talk to me about fucked
it up.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I think the only way it's a true fuck up
to me is if they take Carter and they're like, great,
now we can trade Miles Garrett absolutely, okay, which is possible.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Well, here's the thing. I don't think there's any world
where they draft Carter and then keep Miles Garrett.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Right, there's a chance, Yeah, I mean I there is.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Okay, Sorry, I could see it work. It's a possibility.
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Could they trade away Miles Garrett to Pittsburgh for t J.
Watt and sign them for a little bit more, because
now t J. Watt wats to get out of there.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
We do a Garrett Watt switch aroo. Yeah, that's the
most By the way, it's the most treading water thing
you could ever do.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Great, you don't see enough of that in sports. By
the way, I love totally equivalent trades.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, why not, that's what we're all looking for. We
just sometimes we just need a breath of fresh share.
I'd like taking a breath of fresh air to Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Boy, are they gonna suck this up? Who are they
gonna feed Brian Schottenheimer? Who are you gonna give the
mad genius? You know?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, I've seen people project Tyler Warren here at Penn
State tight end. They desperately need offensive lineman. Now there's
market so much lower than I thought it was for them. Yeah,
it's it's a weird spot. They need a lot of everything.
They could use an edge rusher, they could use a cornerback.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Take a wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's a chance they go Golden,
the speedy wide receiver from Texas. Jerry gets like, oh,
I want to keep him in state, and then he
puts his blinders on and takes him.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
I see him in some of these. I I I
also see uh Tetsuo McMillan from Arizona.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, who, notably a couple of years ago, said he
doesn't like to watch a practice film or watch game film.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Feels like a Cowboys pick to me.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It does, like I think they if they go wide receiver,
I think it's a fuck up. But they could go
a smart pick like offensive lineman. To replace Zack Martin,
which would be a great pick.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yes, but by your Brown's logic, I still think that's
are we rewarding teams for if a guy just leaves
naturally like Zagmartin left of natural causes?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, yeah, what this draft pick doesn't impact Zach Martin.
He's already gone out the pastory. He finally got away,
he escaped the compound, he got out of the Church
of Scientology. He's out of there. True plot him for that.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I think. I do think the Cowboys that are a
point for me that they're doing something. I guess I
because I could even see, like they take a wide
receiver that is a dumb decision because they are so

(42:56):
bad at almost every position right now, Like a good
wide receiver doesn't hurt them, It's just not the move
they should be making. They could definitely compensate for that
in other ways if they had any other skill sets
in their decision making process.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Okay, I'm fine with that. I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I'd like to make a quick switch halfway through perfect
seeing the other the rest of this category, I think
I think we should move up the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Uh to a big pick.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
I think they're going to have a big pick.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Okay, I hate I'm open to it. If Andy Dalton's
call them the shots, I think it's definitely possible.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I think they can smell it. I think they want
an addition that will help this year.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Okay, why not Aaron Rodgers? Why not him there? That
could happen now that he's rumored to the NFC South,
why not them trade away.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Rumors to divisions. It's a gross development in our sports talk.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
It's a it's it's a it's a bird shot approach
instead of a buckshot. You know, hey, lot lots of
teams could use.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I am in on like I wish it was like
he's really leading the NFC.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, does narrow get down half of the league? Yeah,
sick of the AFC? Two years? Was it enough?

Speaker 3 (44:13):
You know? It's also sick of the AFC.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I mean Bronco got it. I think this is going
to be a big pick, though, big pick.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
You think for the Denver Broncos all the way up
at Wait where are they.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
They're they're low. They're going to be probably like twentieth
twenty two. Oh twentieth you nailed it. Yeah, they I
mean they're pretty good. They won games with literally nothing.
They were paying Russell Wilson's sixty eighty million dollars or whatever.
They're finally able to spend some money. They got rid
of their shitty running back. I think they could go
to the North Carolina running back Hampton here, who I

(44:49):
think is the best one in the draft, or just
let Sean Payton pick players. I think Sean Payne's a
good coach, so I think big pick.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
I'd like that because if they don't take running back,
I think they take wide receiver and I do like
I think Hampton's did. And I think there's a real
chance some of the skill position players drop. Like I
I won't pick any of these specific names, but like
you know, Golden or Hell, I really don't think these

(45:18):
two will drop. But like Golden or the Penn State
tight end or genty like one of those having a
crazy drop, not maybe all the way the twentieth but
into the Broncos, like, oh shit, we could trade up
the sixteenth range.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Broncos are a team that could be aggressive too, though.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah move up the Bengals shirt just banking for someone
to take their seventeenth pick away. We don't want it,
they say.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I think the Raiders said they want to trade it.
Go down. They're already like they're already panicking. Get us
out of here.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
The Raiders. God damn it, dude, Keith Carroll, des are
so much better. Fuck up Raiders. So I mean that
would be a Raiders move. Traded in divisions. Come here,
come up, come get it, Zach. I think we have
our first conversation about the very top of this okay,

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the very top of this here pool. I've been thinking
to myself, who the hell are we ever going to
put in the win the Super Bowl? Like, because this
is not like coming into this because you win it.
But I think it's you're a pickaway, yeah, from being
in it this year. I think the lines are certainly
in that conversation and twenty eighth just you know, not

(46:37):
quite right at the end. Could be aggressive and trade
up a little bit. Because here's my question. I guess
this is really the only question.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I think you can make the argument they're in win
the Super Bowl if they just pick the right offensive lineman.
That's what I'm wondering.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Here's my thing. I think they're two picks away, which
I think they get both of They need an offensive lineman.
They need a guard, and then they need an edge
rusher to pay with Hutchinson, which I think they get
as well. A second though, yeah, I think there's enough.
I think that's it's deep enough. And they're not drafting
him to be the number one guy because Hutchinson's a

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fucking mad.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Man already there.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, like he was in he was still leading the
league in sacks like four weeks after he got hurt.
So they just need somebody, anybody. So I I'm okay
with win the Super Bowl and tell me this, Jake,
What if they draft who I think they're gonna draft.
What if they go huh an offensive lineman from North

(47:42):
Dakota State with the first name of Gray Gray Zobel,
a farm boy who knows hard work.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Like, come on, it's gonna look sick out of fake
offensive line sneak dude, Yes, oh, a little leak for
the big boy.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Hey, Greys Abel can move, by the way, he can scoot.
He's a tackle, probably gonna move inside to guard. Imagine
him pulling around. This is not legal, but just imagine
from the guard spot for a bubble screen and then
Sewel's out there. Oh yeah, by the way, that's.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Such a funny way, Like I know, I do know
what you mean, But as you were drawing it up,
I was like, is he like just finding a different
way to describe a swinging gate, Like, hey, hear me out.
Three linemen they end up way over there. Then you
put fucking I don't know any tight end right behind him.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
By the way, if there's any team that's gonna run
a swinging gate this year is the Detroit Lions. And
if there's a swinging gate with an offensive line in
front of him of pine sewel uh, Frank rag Now
and grays Abel, good luck, you're done. They'll eat your face.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
They will eat your face. Who's behind that? And somehow,
in my mind the past is going back to Jared Goff.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Who's behind Probably yeah, yeah, Jared Goff. I mean Sam
Laporto is kind of a psycho. Or no no, no, no,
no no no, it's gonna be Shane Zilstra or Brock right,
it's gonna be one of Dan Campbell's second or third
string tight end or skip.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
It's a skipper, it's a four person, it's a four
lineman swinging gate.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I think I think he may have left. I think
someone may have paid him. I hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
He left.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, Dan's gotta be heartbroken. I think.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I think this is uh. I think this is super
because I also know he's still there. Great celebration, thank god.
But I think the Lines won't fuck up their pick
at all. And I think they're that close. I I
like what you said of let's say the Lineman pool
is not quite that deep right here, Well, then they'll
take the best edge rusher available and they'll just flip

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the two picks.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, I love that for them the Packers. We are
Packer fans, so please endure our pessimism for the next
thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yes, So here's two schools of thoughts. The Packers have
been treading water ever since Brian Kutigains have come, so
that's one thing. But also, if we're only measuring first
round draft picks, all they do is fucking up. So
why start making a good first round picks now?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
And there's no world where he doesn't take a cornerback.
The Packers fucking love doing that, and they actually maybe
need one this year. So I think it's treading water
because I just think they're gonna add another depth cornerback
that will in a year from now be clearly not
the d back they should have.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Picked right right, They will pick the right position, wrong player.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, and if you hear me talking about that a
lot already, it's because I'm haunted by it. The Beckers
do it every goddamn year. They always picked the right
skill set and not the right dude.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
So what there's one answer for this, By the way,
what's the correct pick with this draft pick? What's the
correct move.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Like guy or position.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I'll tell you. You make up for the things you've done,
the nightmares that have caused Jake. You send it to
fucking Pittsburgh and get tj Watt home, Bring them home,
and send Rashan Gary with the first round pick. Fine, bye,
get him out of here. Everybody went only why why
did they never? I don't think people understand this stuff.
I'm glad you brought it up, Sack. Why don't we

(51:44):
ever take hometown guys?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Not once? Not fucking once. We could have done it
with Russell Wilson and got it right.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah. Yeah, in that draft we took Vince Beegele. We're like,
ha huh, there you go. If you're Wisconsin d Drusher,
that's what you wanted. We took any lady in said
a money ball. Oh god, and by the way, love
Eddie Lacy, but I do too.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
But Many's a boy and he could have been here
for years.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Dude could have drafted Melvin Gordon, could have drafted any
of these.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Guys, any of the How about the five linebackers that
are like among Pro Bowl linebackers any goddamn place, Like,
we couldn't have gotten one of the Grantsburg boys his brothers.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah on the line, true, true. How has Wisconsin been
offensive line you and running back you to your point?
And we've gotten zero of them?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
And now linebackers like, we're not even getting any of
these like studs.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
We didn't even get Van Kinkle. No, I know, the
Viking's got the bastard. It is incredible.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, and they even got to God damn it, they
even got to see him somewhere else. He's in Miami.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah right, yeah, everyone, he's good. It's so easy. Just
take the guy. Just take the Wisconsin guy.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Forty Niner's got to take that one dude who retired
before we even drafted somebody.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah, Portland, thank you.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I was like, what's his name, Portland retired young we
could even coax about him retirement. We didn't even sign
Jim Leonard.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
No, no, we we had Jared Aberderis. After we sign
him and the preseason Detroit Lions roster, come on, we
need the magic man back there, like it would have
been incredible.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
As people won't remember this. Aberderis had a magical two
weeks that one he'd stayed healthy, he was gonna do it.
We signed a wide receiver from Whitewater before we.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Picked True, that's true, Jake coomerow Right.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Uh, this is insane. Okay, Houston, Yeah, Houston. They need
offensive line and maybe a wide receiver. If they take
offensive line, it's kind of a wind no matter what
I think this is, Uh is it? Can it be
a big picket twenty five?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, there's there's offensive line is gonna go late, So
I think they can get a very solid starter there
if they do that. If they go a wide receiver
to like try to replace Tank Dell or Stefan Diggs,
I think that's a bad move, but I think they're.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
In perfect position to Like, I just don't think their
floor is very low. I think they've got a lot
of great options, and they're in good position to get
someone who definitely got missed.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
That's fair. Yeah, and again they're they're why wouldn't you
move up? Yeah? Uh, I think I think it's big picket.
I think it's fair.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I think so too. By the way, bring TJ. Watt
home to you too.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
True. Yeah, true, very good point. Now here's the call.
We all know they're taking Tyler Warren somehow somewhere.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Only ranking them the tight end they're definitely thinking.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
But boy they are.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
That is such a funny observation by you. It's just like, yeah,
it's not in their control at all. Like I just
you know they're gonna get Travis Hudd. It's just like
willing it into existence.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Well, it's like the Jags are getting the d tackle
from Michigan. Everybody knows that. So like that's another one
and everybody's that's a consensus across the board too. Yeah,
of course, a budge.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Here's my thing. Let's say they like if they don't
get the Penn State guy, they're the one team. I'm like,
are they a fucking idiot? They just take the next
best tight end. They're like, oh no, that's a mistake.
There'll be so much better value there. But I could
see them being like, well, we need a tight end.

(55:53):
We've all agreed here in this room with Jim.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
They could turn into like a little bit of a
New York Giants syndrome, where like year they just take
a wide receiver that never pans out because they did
it the last couple of years now too, I just.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Think they always find reasons to not take offensive.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Linemen, right right, So, I mean he's.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Got him in a chance to take a tight end.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Tyler Warren's already in Indy as we speak.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Okay, but here's all right, well let's talk about that then,
because that's a great pick. Yeah, so how do we
rank this? Because if they get him, it's a great pick.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Can I add another tier that's just Tyler Warren and
we put him there.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
It's very conditional. I think we hedge our bets and
we go, you're doing something.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah, I think they're doing something. They have a path,
they know Warren's great and he can't fix Indy, you know,
true Jakes. Again, I think it's pretty obvious they're drafted
the first tackle out of Michigan. But does that matter?

Speaker 3 (57:06):
A just feels like the other Detackle out of Michigan
will for sure be better.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Sure of course.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Like there's two of them, you know, and one's going
to Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
The one going to Jacksonville I would almost compare to.
And this is such a bad comparison, but it's true.
In my mind, he's kind of an Aaron Donald like guy. Okay,
but he could be the Aaron Donald guy who doesn't
play with knives and just isn't very You.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Think Mason Graham's got that dog in him.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
He does. He's pretty damn good. It's weird to see
a white d tackle that's got moves, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
That's what I was gonna say. I photos of him
don't do him justice, Like I I've yet to see
a photo of googling it right now. That's like and
I I mean, I know him and I've seen him
and he looks more but like I do feel like
I'm about to be drafted by the Jacksonville Jackuiars. It
looks a little too much like me. And I don't
get that dog.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
True, he doesn't have enough swag either.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Like he's he's a good player, but you're right, he's
not gonna be He's not gonna be a defensive lineman,
like we need a defensive lineman. He's not gonna be
I mean, he's not a grave digger, he's not a
Gilbert Brown, He's not a he's not gonna coach a
lingerie football league. No.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Is that the right pick though? For where they are
in the draft and buy who will likely be gone
at that point? Is that the right choice, whether the
workout or not, Is that the right move then? I
think it's gotta be.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
They're treading water though they're not getting better.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Oh you don't think they're getting a little better?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
No, no, no, no, no, Doug, Doug Peterson didn't die for
them to get better here true.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I Dervanmeier.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
By the way, No, Liam Cohen may not even be
on the team by the time the draft's done. You
might leave for another place.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Treading waters fair, treading waters fair.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Jake stink Okay, Cheeves gotta be a pig pick in
my mind, after losing in the way they lost, I
feel like this is when they usually bounce back.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
The thirty first pick, they're another one. I think we
have to talk about whether or not they're at Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Right, that's true? I mean if all they do this
off season.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Oh sorry, I saw this. Why does everyone think they're
going to trade to Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Someone's going to give them a pick to move up
and they're going to take a good offensive lineman probably
or d Lynman.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I got you. That's what it is saying, is they
project Okay, gotcha? I was like Minnesota or someone else.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Okay. So if the only thing the Chiefs do this
offseason is improve the offensive line, would that be super
Bowl to you? Yes?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
I think so too, Like they were in it already,
and honestly, if they played the Egos ten times, I
still think they win some of those games too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
So just got away. Yeah, okay, and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
A really good lineman back left in like the mid twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
That's where I mean they may get the third offensive
lineman off the board at that pick. Yeah, if they
move up to mid early twenties, yeah, if.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
The Colts have anything to say about it, they'll be
too tight ends gone by that point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Absolutely. I mean that's another pick that the Chiefs could do,
which is interesting if they get super aggressive and say, hey,
Raiders will take the pick and they trade up and
get Tyler Warren to be the next Travis Kelcey. Yeah,
be interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
That's interesting. And then I guess you got to get
a good lineman in the second round. Do you almost
have to move up twice?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Potentially? It depends on what they do. They can get
good guard pieces, it's just hard to get a good tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Yeah, that's an interesting I don't think you're wrong or
even like, you know, they trade up and who's the
other guy, like, and he's really good? Like if they
take tackle like Joh I'd like Josh Simmons, the guy
from Ohio State, and I feel like he could bounce around.
So it's like you could draft like trade up to

(01:01:13):
I don't know. The Saints feel like they just want
to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
They do, they do so the Chargers Chargers, I feel
like they're drafting somebody from Michigan and they got a
lot of good players.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
The twenty second pick that by the way, God damn it,
Cole still Loveland great.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
That's why I have projected there. If the Colts take
the second tight end, then he would be gone.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Though, yeah, let me look other Michigan players around that pick.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Though they could do the second uh detackle. I think
Grant that would be the other Michigan guy. But they
have a few areas they could go, and I just
feel like Chargers are they spent last year laying the
foundation of like what the character of everything is. I

(01:02:05):
think they're just gonna get better. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I think it would be good because if they don't go, well,
I guess they still could go Michigan guy, because I
think they might go I like that tight end pick.
But honestly, I think they'll go de tackle D line
and there'll be a lot there, whether it's the second
Michigan guy or not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
So I feel like they're doing something. Yeah, I think
it's one of these two for sure. So I think
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Think it'll be I don't have that confidence in them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Okay, okay, do you have that confidence in the other
LA team, the Rams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I'll tell you what. The Rams have really won me
over this offseason. Everywhere Davonte goes, I'm like, they want it.
It's never helped anyone, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Mean, I yeah, I think, I mean they majorly upgraded
in my opinion. Yeah, here's the thing that I think
they got a lot better this offseason. I think they're
going to be a good team. They just don't improve
with first round draft picks though very often No, And
but they could get like a good offensive lineman, they
could go they need everything on defense.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yeah, I think they'll be good defensive backs at that
point in twenty six. I could also see them trading
slightly back yea in one of those teams that swaps
with somebody. Will this be a treading water pick, which
I think is what you're thinking through? Yeah? Or also
here's a theory. Are they because talent level, they're not

(01:03:38):
a bad team at all? To your point, they're pretty good.
So could you make the argument, well, if they if
they have depth, needed a bunch of positions, or are
they going to be doing something no matter what they do?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Like right know? The other thing they could do is
take a quarterback in the first round for a Stafford
plan when he's gone, Yeah, which again doesn't he do
ers starts slipping honestly, Trader or Jackson Dart. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Just by the way, this is why no one's gonna
let This is the only reason why no one's let
me be in a GM yet. Okay, the only reason
because I'm not not drafting a guy named Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I mean, yeah, he throws, darts, throws, dart smoke starts,
that's all he's trying to do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Absolutely. I mean, if we should do that one time.
By the way, who would our NFL roster be, just
based on the names? Who would we have had to draft?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
That's our mock draft next year.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I was like, okay, good, give me a full year
to prepare.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah, for sure, ram I think doing something, doing something
or treading waters for me, So I'm fine with doing something. Now, Raiders,
are they gonna fuck this up?

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I what do you think? Because I think even if
they trade out of it, it's zecha is that fine?

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I think they're treading water, sucking it up, like I
believe in Pete Carroll so much, which is the issue.
And Tom Brady's there, which should be good. I've just
seen too many terrible Raiders draft picks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
By the way, Quinn yours all over them. They're fucking
ripping yours they see in the third round. Quinn, Sorry,
I just saw that and I was like, oh, yeah,
that's that's where he's going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
True.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Um, here's my thing with the Raiders. There will be
some I think, really stellar picks left when they are there. Absolutely,
and they kind of need everybody right, won't it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Now here? Again?

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
It's time we talk about our tier list today because
are we saying they will be more competitive after this pick?
And they were almost a five hundred team. They were
five hundred team two years ago with basically the same roster.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
And now they've got Pete Carroll. He adds three wins.
We can all agree that's a gif. That's a given.
They're three wins better peak.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Care, three win Carol, that's what they called.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Them, absolutely three win pet three p whoa repeat?

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Well, there you go, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
But so if you add Ashton Genty, you add who
do you think they're gonna take? If they if they
don't trade.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I think they go maybe McMillan, wide receiver from Stanford, Yeah,
because they need receiver really really bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Yeah, and I think the rest are set. They add Schadu.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
They they love should so should slips. It'd be interesting.
They just signed Geno to a multi year deal, but
they would.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Take ahead of them. Who do you think takes shad.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I think the Saints could trade up to take Shudar.
I think the Browns could. I don't know, like I
raiders like I said, they want to trade back. They
want to fuck this up. They're begging to fuck it up.
Please let us draft another Cleveland Ferrell. Please. We understand

(01:07:22):
there's good players there, but we want to take what's
the lineman. We want to take Alex Leatherwood. Please let
us take them. They want that bad I.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
They also feel like they're just gonna take Jaylon Walker,
who is good. But it's like feels like like, Okay,
we took this pretty good guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Mm hmmm. I will say.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
There's a piece of me that just feels like Abdul
Carter will be a Raider.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
They would have to move up. There's no way he falls.
There's a way, no, no, no, this he's the best
player that hold draft. I know, but that's me. Pete
Carroll's got his eye.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Out of him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
He does, he's gonna be heartbroken after the second bag.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah, I think they're I think this will be positive
for the Raiders. I think I'm thinking about how positive
it will be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Sure, so doing something that kind of hedges your bets
a little bit, Yeah, you think it's going to be
a big pick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
If they if they picked Shoulder or Ashton Genty or
I'm trying to think who will be available at that time.
I feel like there's three guys who will be there
that are big picks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I think there's I think shoulder is out now. I
don't think they.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Can Okay, so and I don't. I just don't know
if they should take Genty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I agree, but a lot of people think they are.
Do you take the running back before you take the
offensive line? The age old question, and that has one
very clear answer.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Yeah, by the way, two very clear answers, because there's
the answer that you should do, the answer that everyone does.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
For some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yeah, is it a big pick if they take Mason Grant,
it's the big pick. If they just take the biggest
offensive tackle you've ever seen. Uh No, I think it's
doing something then, because I think the odds are they
trade out or they take a big lineman, as they should.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
But yeah, yeah, I think they're trained up. But we'll
see Miami Dolphins. I I'm putting my foot down. They're
fucking it up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Okay, you get one, this is your one. I agree
with you. Go for it, thank you, thank you. They
will take an offensive lineman, will it be? Oh, okay,
we'll agree with the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I'd put my foot down for so it'll be okay,
okay Vikings. Vikings have continued to take okay players. Yeah,
but if they keep taking like defensive backs that aren't
very good, they're just gonna tread water. So I'm okay
with they're not gonna fuck it up unfortunately, But.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Is this where I want to put my foot down?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
You could? You could? I mean this could be last year.
There's no doubt about it. That pickup a cursed him. Yeah,
you told them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Said, I still kind of feel bad. It's the closest
I've ever gotten to jinxing somebody. So here's the thing.
They're in rumors to trade back, and then I'm gonna
put my foot down. I'm putting my foot down right here.
The Vikings are fucking it up. Okay with that? Because
and here's my definition of that for the Vikings, I'm

(01:10:39):
I'm very sick of them being like a rebuild team
when they want to be and a contender when they
win a few games in a row. Yeah, Like, because
you can't talk to me about like now we got
JJ McCarthy, we're not signing another quarterback. We're gonna rebuild,
and now you're gonna maybe trade back act for you

(01:11:02):
know what I'm saying, like, yeah, like they're not gonna
do this correctly. Even if they take a fine player,
they won't be better. And I don't think they're gonna
trade up as they maybe should if they were truly
in a rebuild to like get a high value guy.
So and also fuck them. I guess if they get
a good player, I'll be wrong about the vikings.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Which one thing they the rumor that they might do,
and this is a dangerous game. They may take a
safety as a replacement planned to Harrison Smith, thinking it's
his last year, and I don't want to count Harrison
Smith up. No.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
I Also, I'm just gonna put this out in the
university because I'd love to be on the early train
of this getting this right. Okay, there's a knock at
the doors.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Act.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Do you hear that? It's an old friend. He's not vaccinated.
I think Kirk Cousins is coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Yeah, very possible. I know which quarterback you're talking thoughts
so true.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Honestly, wait a minute, I did not. Everyone at them
didn't mean to tease you that much.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
WHOA hello, Oh hi Kirk. I guess you're fine. Too
the way.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
That actually makes me feel better because I was like, ah,
was that too harsh because I'm not trying to start
any ship in the chat. But you know, turns out
I could throw that out about a few different quarterbacks.
So this is this is sprinkle, are going to add
a quarterback who's not vaccinated?

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Sure, hey, that's very possible. What I imagine what you just
did was you and I were watching WrestleMania, by the way,
having a good pick.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Will Campbell stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Uh no, they take Travis Hunter or they take like
something like that. But we're watching WrestleMania. We're having a
good time. And then you tell me, oh, I ordered pizza.
I'm like, fuck, yeah, dude, Toppers is the ship and
you know, knocking the door. I opened the door. It's
Papa John's. I'm like, okay, like this, this is fine.
The garlic is their garlics? No, yeah, okay, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Such a good example. Maybe I'm just disaggravated with the Vikings.
We like, stop pretending like you didn't want Aaron Rodgers at.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
All, Like right, yeah, yeah, you fucked yourself with JJ McCarthy. Sorry,
Jake told you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Jake warned you this is the most uninteresting I've ever
said on the show. Get Ready, I'm about to quote
the Bible with the vikings. You're neither hot nor cold.
You are lukewarm. I spitch you out, sir. You're nothing.
You're nothing. You are the You are less ambitious than
the packers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Wow, Okay, fair enough. They're just disguise it better.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Yeah, and I feel like now I've over committed and
they're definitely about the draft to Hall of Famer. But
I'm sticking to it, and we're gonna hang it. We're
gonna hang there. I put my foot down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
That's fine, that's fine. Now Patriots, Patriots with Rabel, I
feel like they could be an Abdual, Carter Spot or
Travis Hunter. They're gonna get one of the two. And
I think, no matter what, it's gonna be the correct pick.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Dude, poor Sharon Mayo, I know the sticks. By the way,
I caught myself, I'm very close to Mayo.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Keep the trend going. I think this is gonna be
a big pick.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
This is there's no doubt in my mind. This is
a big pick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah. The Saints. Now, the Saints. Derek Carr could miss
the entire season, so now all of a sudden, they
are firmly in the quarterback sweep stakes, including the Aaron
Rodgers sweepstakes. So if Aaron Rodgers miraculously goes there and
pays part of the Saints salary cap off, if that's
illegal and he goes there, then they wouldn't go quarterback.

(01:14:40):
Otherwise they could be the Jackson Dart spot. They could
be potentially the chadur spot. Is that a big pick?
Is that a doing something? Is that treading water? Is
that fucking it up? That could be any of them.
And this is the conversation we've sort of had with
the Saints for the past four or five years. Are
they good? Are they bad? Are they going to make
a good pick? Is it a bad We will not

(01:15:01):
know the grade of this after the draft. We will
not know the grade of this ten years from now.
This is the true question mark. But I will put
them wherever you want to put them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
I think they're not going to get it right, Okay,
I just don't have confidence. I think they are. I
one hundred percent agree with you. They could take I
think the worst thing they could have Nashon gend in
this draft is he ends up the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Same Yeah, that would be a terrible pick.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Like I think they'll take maybe even a big name
and be like, God, they took the tight end from
Penn State.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Like it's like, no, Colt's got them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Sure he slipped it. He's slipped the door. Feels that
way to me?

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Is that a fuck it up?

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
No? Because I think they'll pick the guy they're supposed
to do. I just think it's treading water. I think
they're too far away, and I think they they'll end
up not doing the best possible thing. Feels like, and
they'll be treading water.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
What do you think? Four? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
No, Sorry, now we're both second guessing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
It's three three Okay, Travis Hunter feels likely here, like
it fits their needs so well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
Am I It's just gonna be Travis Hunter or Abdul
Carter unless they trade.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
They could trade. I don't think they need Abdul Carter.
And this is my line of thinking. I've been watching
too much film. I'm starting to think Travis Hunter is
not very good. I'm starting to second guess myself. It's
if you have two quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks. If
you play two positions, guess what, you're not playing any
positions I think he's doing too much. I'm gonna say

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here first, Travis Hunter needs to pick a lane. You
can't do everything.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
I do think he's an interesting ball game because I
love now that we're here at the draft, people are
like arguing with like how much value is him playing
two spots? Like is that the only thing that's great
about him? Or is he truly that's my thing?

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Oh cool, you're the You're the second best corner and
the second best receiver on the team. That's not that great.
And then you're splitting time, splitting reps, splitting mental reps,
splitting all of that. You're just gonna get worse. You're
gonna get passed by.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
I don't think he's gonna be playing both positions in
three years.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Hey, yeah, not everybody's show. He o Atani, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Literally no one else. It's the whole thing. I keep
trying to tell people that it's just him and for
a few years, drunk Babe Ruth.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Sure, pac Man Jones, he did it for a hot second.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
It's so true, Devin Hester. Technically, I guess, yeah, he
barely was a receiver. Yeah, hey, Corderio Patterson, give him respect,
by the way, put him in the hall feels listen,
TRD having the Giants and Fucked it Up on the
same tier list is not fair.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
You know. I mean they it's just like, who who's
the gm sun gunna tell him to pick That's what
I bought, Drake.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
And will they listen? That is a good thought experiment.
I think he's gonna tell them to take up du Carter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Maybe maybe I think they're they're not gonna fuck it up,
But I just don't think it's a home run.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Like everyone thinks, Yeah, is it, like, you know, what's
the most giant This is what I was talking about earlier?
Is it the most giant thing ever? Of like, oh, hey,
don't worry everybody. I know, we didn't take Travis Hunter
up d A Carter, but we took Will Campbell.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Yeah, like you said we needed to take an offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
And like, but it's not any of those guys, Okay,
all that aside, all the Giants pessimism aside. I am like,
I like all three of those guys on other teams.
So I'm like, is this a big pick? Here's the
only route I see for fucked it out is there's

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no world a team that bad should be trading out
of it, and I think they will.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah, they might, they might. I mean that's what happens
when you signed Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson. All of
a sudden, again you have two quarterbacks. Yea, yeah, yeah,
now they got the two. Imagine you come to work
and your two bosses or Jamis Winston and Russell Wilson,

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and they just quote movies at you all that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
By the way, I do love the idea that Russell
Wilson ends up in another quarterback competition that like you
can't win.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, Russell Wilson, he chose to go there. It's his fault.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Yeah, Okay, Well we're really negative on them, so it's
like they can't be higher than You're doing something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Yeah, they're I think they're they're doing something. I think
it's fair. All right, Jets. This is the other one
I said we would agree with. So what do you
think about the Jets. They're gonna suck it up, of
course they Yeah, I think they take it off into
the woman. I think they take a bad one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yeah, when they should. They're the one team I'm like,
you should trade, you should move.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Yeah up or Aaron Glenn's just like, hey, I saw
the Lions take a running back super early and create
a cool back split backfield split. Why don't we take
Genty to pair with Brest Hall. Would't that be smart?

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Maybe I'm wrong, man, Gend's not leaving the top ten,
so it's like we're running out of teams that are like,
for sure gonna take him. I think also, this happens
that draft night where GM's are like, he'll be gone,
he'll be get he's still here. I know they also
feel like Travis Hunter's worst nightmare on the Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
That's true, that would be a nightmare, and they could be.
They could be a shooter spot. People are acting like
he's not. I don't know why, Like you think Justin
Fields is the answer long term?

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
No, I guess in my head I've still been considering
him there. Yeah, yeah, Now we have a fun one Zach.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Eagles super Bowl. They have to like even if they
traded away, they they will trade up. They will not
pick thirty two. They will be picking in the twenties.
They do this every time, and we keep letting them
get away with it. It's not fair, like how he
has dirt on every GM in the league. It's bullshit.

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They're gonna put a very good defensive player from Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
I guarantee the NFL mock draft, I've got a few
and someone or CBS, someone at the CBS mock draft
hates the Browns because he's got the Browns trading and
trading with the Eagles to get your accent dart.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Interesting, interesting choice. Maybe why not I think win the
Super Bowl. I just think they're too good. And I
think they always draft well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Aft incredibly well and they literally just want it. And
all the positions they could use a ball cup in
will still be in good depth when they're there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
So yeahah, they're in such a good spot. Steelers could
go quarterback, could go at rusher, could go wide receiver potentially, Like,
I think they're not going to do bad. They draft
good players.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Yeah, but don't you feel like their board says, please
let Schaduur fall the twenty one Like I feel like, yes,
I just don't feel like they're They're always a team.
I feel likes gonna leave media Day and be like,
you know, if this guy who in no world was
going to fall to us fell to us, we wouldn't
have taken this lineman again.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
You know, yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. Even still though,
just having a planet quarterback that isn't Kenny Pickett anymore.
Like they just need it competent quarterback. They're desperate.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
I could see him training back and getting Dart.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Yeah. I could see them reaching for Dart at that
pick too.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
God yeah true.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
So is that treading water?

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Yeah, I think they're I think they're treading water. I
think if they take Dart, he's like just Kenny Pigott.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Yeah, Seahawks, they desperately need a couple of things. Offensive
linemen and wide receivers potentially, I mean wide receivers now
is just Jackson Smith and Jigbo and Cooper Cup So
they could go at Buka from Ohio State. But they
definitely need offensive line. The offensive line is one of
the worst in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
I think people are talking about it where I got
don't see that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I hope not. I they should they should take that,
take him, but I hope not. But even still, if
they do that, that's a good pick.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
But that's what I'm saying, Like at the eighteenth I
think they could there's a word where they get the
second best wide receiver probably not, but they could get
the third best yea or like the fourth best lineman.
Like I I'm kind of on big pick with the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Fuck. Yeah, they're in a good spot to just sit
and take their pick. So that's fair if you want
to do that. I think that's fair. Forty nine ers.
I mean, this is the earliest they've picked in forever.
I feel like it's got to be a big pick. Yeah,
I agree with I think it's Will Campbell. What you
think you think they're gonna get him? Yeah? I think

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then I think he plays right tackle for a year
and then he takes over for Trent Williams year after that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Do you think he's gonna fall to eleven or they
trade up?

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I think they trade up. Like they're in just such
a good spot to just trade up at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Yeah. We've talked about a few moving back who will
love like idiot teams who are like, we'll trade back
so we don't take Will Campbell.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Yeah, they're in a position then the other team wouldn't
be trading back that far.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Correct, and they won't have to give too much to
trade up. Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's
a big pick for the forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Unfortunately, by the way, the final three that we're going
down better quarter, what a what a finish for us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
I know Buccaneers, I think they go defense. I think
they go linebacker potentially.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Yeah, they're all the way back in nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I really like Campbell from Bama. If they get them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's what they're gonna do. That's
the other one. Like Tyler Warren is a cult and
I think it's Gaiaed Campbell or whatever is. He's a buck.
He's got to be.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Don't get at the very least the second best linebacker
more than likely this spot or third.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Yeah, whoever they take is going to be an improvement
in a position of need. Like their needs are different
than most other teams, which is a huge benefit to them.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Yeah, you're doing something you think I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Think so, Yeah, I think so. Big pick is you know,
you gotta do you gotta make an actual bit, you
gotta impress us for it to be a pick.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Absolutely, here we number one. The Titans are the number
one pick unless they have a stroke. They're gonna take
cam Ward.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
I so that's the only question. What do we think
of that pick?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Whether the there's no world right at this point, they
trade out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
I don't know how you don't sign Aaron Rodgers and
draft Abdul Carter. I don't. I don't know how you
do anything different. But if they I think they draft
cam Ward, which I didn't think if you asked me
a month ago, I didn't think they were actually gonna
pick at this spot, And if they did, it would

(01:26:54):
be wared. I thought they would trade out, or they
would sign Rogers and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
We'll Travis Hunter.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Yeah. Yeah, because they said two months ago or three
months ago, they're like, we like our pick, We're probably
not gonna trade. We think there's a generational talent there,
and now it's cam Ward. Cam Ward's not a generational talent.
So if they believe that's who he is, I think

(01:27:20):
it's doing something just because of how historically bad their
quarterbacks were last year. But I think if you're gonna
look back on all the number one first overall picks
like over the past several years, they're like, oh, yeah,
I guess cam Ward was number one, wasn't he Like,
I don't think he's that impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Can I can I space? Can I say something controversial?

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Sure? Are we out on Will Levis. Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,
he's not only is he not good, he's just a dufis.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
I think we can fix him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Who batt Leflora?

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Who would be give us three weeks with him?

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Honestly, Gruden brought back quarterback camp.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Three weeks with herm Edwards.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Let's do you know what? That's a good idea. So
Gruden does quarterback camp. We can do Flurry Sports quarterback Fest,
and we'll bring in some other quarterbacks and you and
I will lead some sessions.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Teach him how to eat, you tell him who's on
his team.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
I love coffee. I can give him a nice little
thing about like better things in coffee than Mayo.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
And I'll talk him through some ra decision making practices.
You know, of course, how about we live life for
the way where we could maybe wake up tomorrow. What
if we You are.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Up ten points and you are thirty yards in the
backfield with a defensive lineman screaming at you. What do
you do? Do you give them the ball or do
you throw it away or just hang on to the ball,
run out of boutance? Do something? My man?

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
You could You could kill dragon with an egg your
arm is so just just win the game. Just win
the game. Let the punter on his paycheck. I Uh,
I'm struggling with this one because I'm getting stuck on
what they could do and not just cam Ward. I

(01:29:18):
don't think cam Ward's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
I don't think he's bad either. I think.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
The Titans aren't as bad as the record was agreed.
So where I'm getting stuck is like, if let me
find the right comparison, so I just he'll be better
than this if cam Ward's brock party like they're a

(01:29:45):
good team, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Mean they were a decent team under Mason Rudolph. And
this is what I said, This is what I struggle with.
Is he better than Mason Rudolph?

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Boy, he's cool for.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Ship Maybe it doesn't matter anyway. I think it could
be a big pick. I think you could be a
big pick.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Uh. Fine, in my opinions, you're doing something. But they
do have the I think they take cam Ward. I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
They just tradition. I'll do you doing something.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I just I just don't think you put cam Ward
on the offense last year. I don't know how big
of a difference it is, but I could be wrong.
It could be a Jane and Daniels esque uh turnaround,
and I guess speaking of him, this is a team
that has pretty obvious issues in a late right. They're

(01:30:58):
in a good position though to draft the safety, which.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Absolutely I don't make trade around them though.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
I don't think for a safety though. Yeah, and then
most teams are pretty set.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
What do they do if like two safeties randomly go
in front of them, like some teams go Rowe, the
Vikings or somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Yeah, they would try to trade back. They're in a
position in the draft where it's almost impossible to trade back.
I think they would try, and I think they could.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
That's I guess what I'm processing through.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Maybe they could go defensive lineman. There's some good ones
there and they could go that. They could always use
a corner because they're d backs in general aren't very good.
And there's a chance if like a mari And Hampton
for the tar Heels hasn't been picked yet, they could
go him because he's better than Austin Ekeler, and I

(01:31:56):
think he's better than Brian Robinson. Like, they have options.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
I think, Okay, I think they're doing something. Then they're
gonna getting spot for position need.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Yeah, so now now is the time where we shot.
Is there anything different that you think we need to
move up or down?

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Let's let's each go one at a time, Like any
clear moves on your part that you're like, we gotta
move this team around.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
I think I see.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
One that I'm like, you're too high.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
I think the Texans could potentially be too high.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
I agree that was at New I was singing up,
but Wright state, I don't Cowboys. The Cowboys are gonna
screw it up. I don't think fuck it up, but
I think they'll tread water.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Yeah, I think that's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
I think they'll find a way to not improve.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Okay, I mean I think the Colts are similar.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Yeah, but I'd liked our reasoning with the Cults of
their position need. Isn't a good spot like they're gonna
get their linemen or a tight end?

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Probably? Yeah? Probably?

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Or do they take us the number two tight end?
I guess that direction is out there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think the Raiders can suck it
up too. Like I'd agree.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
With you on the Raiders. I think the Raiders, now
that we've seen the other ones, like, yeah, they're gonna
find a way to not do what they should right.
Anyone we have to move upwards.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
I think Falcons could go up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
I think I agree with you, just because they were
my first thought. I was like, if Zack says Falcons agree,
I think it's hard for them not to do something right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Their needs are so obvious and the position the draft
classes there were there, they're going to get better.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
The only other one I feel the same way about
is I'm wondering if we were like, is it the
jag stink that we're worried about, because like they're in
a good spot with good need, Like they're almost certainly
going to get the pick they want.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Yeah, yeah, they're getting I think so too. I'm fine
with doing so.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Yeah, absolutely all right, anyone from doing something moving up
then we'll leave it there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Depending on how the draft balls, Like Ravens and Chargers,
I think could.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
I think if if it wasn't the Browns, the Browns
should be a big pick. But it's the Browns. I
guess where I've landed on the Browns. This is fair.
I feel like the Browns have to be big pick
or fucked up. Now that Ye're like gone through the
rest of the list.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Yeah, okay, So what's the scenarios where they fuck it up?
Should I think Shouldure?

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
I think, I actually think it's fun because I actually
think they have three scenarios. I don't even think Shadure
is the one I'm most scared of. I think Schadur
and another quarterback not panning out. Sure, I think Travis
Hunter and him just being like mind at two positions,
or like being in a few years, like just only
able to play one way, or you already called it cool.

(01:35:20):
You take out du A Carter, but.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Then you trade Miles Garrett Garrett, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Which I think they will do. I don't think they
take Carter and not trade Garrett. So I actually think
they're gonna probably fuck it up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Yeah, Garrett's gonna do the whole thing of I told
you it wasn't about the money. Get me out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Yeah, absolutely, I like that list a lot. I definitely
don't think there's anyone else who deserves to be in
Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
No, unfortunately, Niners in Super Bowl. I don't remember. I
think they're a big pick. Yeah, I agree, I'm big pick. Yeah,
I agree too, I don't know, yeah, interesting, okay, yes,
there fineops.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Guess I have to stay here.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Yeah? Are we are? We Panthers fans quietly this year?
Is that what is coming down to it?

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Or what I think they're hard to root against?

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
They are? They got something about them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
My face, my Facebook reel is filled with Luke Keigley interviews. Right,
I don't understand what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
True, he needs to come back to cut the ship,
play football coach somewhere. Yeah, he's he's too good. Okay,
Well this is it. You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
You're welcome. Here's your grades ahead of time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Here's your grades and flurry sports grades without letters as always.
So there you go. We will be back next week
for our Easter show. Post Easter, he has written.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
And that he John Cena.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
That's right, that's right, post WrestleMania, you're right, Yeah, that'll
be something.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Yeah, which I think we're gonna have a lot of
thoughts on, especially if we end up watching it together.
We're gonna be right in the mood.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
We are going to be in a mood. You're correct. Okay,
So we're going back for it's going to be a mood.
See you then.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
St