Bloody History Clips: JFK Assassination Discussion with Cory Hughes & James Day

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
In the specifics, what I wanted to mention to get
you talking about was, even from a warning from History
and this book, you demolish conventional understanding of the case
as it was presented to us officially, I mean even

(00:32):
within the Warren Commission, or you're calling out actual testimony
as fabrication.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Right, Yeah, So, so I wanted to go the very
The very thesis is about the idea that there were
two Oswald's going back to the time he was a child,
and that this was some part of part of some
greater intelligence operation known as an identity transfer, where somebody
acts as an identity donor and you have somebody who

(01:03):
uses that identity. In this case for most of Oswald's life,
I believe you have two people using the same identity,
and at times a third person using the identity, and
even possibly more that we haven't even discovered yet. But
it becomes very clear that Oswald was engaged in something
going back to a time before there was a CIA,
before there was even an OSS, to when Oswald's name

(01:28):
and his history start to appear in two different places. Ultimately,
when you create a timeline of Oswald's life, you get
two timelines. And so the person who really brought this
to the forefront, if you can say that, was John Armstrong,
whose work today is mostly marginalized. And the reason the
work is mostly marginalized is because the conclusions that he

(01:49):
drew as far as the assassination go, and the conclusions
that he drew as far as the two Oswald's go,
he couldn't tell when one story ended and another began,
and he melded them all together to one big story.
So all of the duplicate Oswald stuff that occurs during
the assassination that I attribute to William Seymour and Carrie
Thornley primarily with a couple of extras, he attributed to

(02:11):
this duplicate Oswald who was present the whole time that
Lee Harvey Oswald was growing up. And so that's where
he went off the deep end and he basically lost everybody.
Because understanding the difference between these operations is paramount, and
it's wild that Oswald was part of multiple identity transfer operations,

(02:32):
one as a child up through you know him getting
out of the Marines and going to Russia and another
one post you know, basically January of sixty one with
the bolton Ford incident starts off the long line of
impersonations of Oswald while he's still in the Soviet Union.
But then once he gets back in June sixty two,
they really start to ramp up and Oswald is seen
all over the place with a shady group of characters.

(02:55):
And yes, it's a very very fascinating tale. And so
even people who are on board with the impersonations of
Oswald in the assassination story, a lot of them fall
off the wagon when I get to the duplic at
Oswald going back to the time when he was like
two years old.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
And that's what this book's about, folks.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I mean, this is basically the beginning from nineteen thirty
nine to basically fifty six or so.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
There, Corey, this is yeah, October twenty fourth, fifty six.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
And so it was nice, a nice gesture. You dedicated
the book to John Armstrong, which I thought was good.
But you make a point at some point in your
videos or something where you say, look, here's some newspaper articles,
here's some magazine articles that have been put out throughout
the years talking about a kind of dual identity going on,
and it's so this has been out there.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
You're trying to tell people like, this isn't some kind
of theory plucked out of obscurity by some of the
by someone on an education form.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
And the first observations of the possibility of there having
been to Oswald's throughout his childhood that goes back way
before John Armstrong. I don't remember which book it was,
but there was a book that came out, I believe
in the late nineteen sixties after Garrison's investigation that talked

(04:24):
about the possibility that Oswald was replaced by the Soviets,
like the Soviets sent somebody back. That's definitely not true.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
I mean, the.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Photographic record, there's so much evidence that the person who
went to the Soviet Union and who came back was
in fact one of the Oswalds who and we'll call
him Harvey Oswald. And the reason we call him Harvey
Oswald is not because we're making it up and we're
trying to play a game with the name lee Harvey Oswald,
is because this person identified themselves to people they knew

(04:55):
all throughout their growing up and even as an adult
as Harvey Oswald. We even have documentation. There's upwards of
seventy five to one hundred documents that show the name
Harvey Lee Oswald many many years after the assassination, going
on into the seventies. A Defense Intelligence Agency document with
the handwritten scribble Harvey Lee Oswald came out in seventy eight. Now,

(05:19):
I'm sorry, but sixteen years after the assassination, the name
Lee Harvey Oswald is ingrained in everyone's head. Everyone knows
Lee Harvey Oswald. Why is it that all these years later,
the intelligence community is still passing around documents that says.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Harvey Lee Oswald.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Because Harvey Lee Oswald was a different person from Lee
Harvey Oswald. And for me, the evidence of this begins
in nineteen forty one, but technically that doesn't come out
until Oswald submits his application to the Marines in fifty six,
because when he does his basic brief biography, where did
you live? He puts that he lived in Fort Worth

(05:54):
starting in nineteen forty one, when we know that Lee
Harvey Oswald lived in New Orleans. Basically bouncing back and
forth between Lillian Moretz and the Bethlehem orphanage all the
way up until basically January of forty four when he's
taken out of the orphanage. And then in April of
forty four they move into the Victor Street address in Dallas,

(06:16):
where they'll be for the next year year and a
half or so. So we have that major conflict. And
that's just the first one. That was one of the
most recent contradictions that I found in the record. But
really you start to run into problems in the fall
of nineteen forty five. Fall in nineteen forty five, they're
supposed to be at the Victor Street address in Dallas.

(06:37):
But what you have is you have Robert Oswald testify
to the Warrant Commission that Lee Harvey Oswald, Edwin, etc.
Dahl and Marguerite went up to Boston and spent approximately
six months in Boston, and during that time they did
some traveling cross country. They're photographed in Arizona during this time. Well,
at the exact same time, starting in October of nineteen

(07:01):
forty five, you've got Lee Harvey Oswald enrolled at the
Benbrook Common School in Benbrook, Texas. And this opens up
a real can of worms here, because after they leave
the Victor Street address in Dallas.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
They go to.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Covington, Louisiana, or they go back to Louisiana, we go
to Covington, and this is where Oswald goes to the
Covington Grammar School. Well, you have a researcher and a
lawyer for the Warrant Commission named John hart Eli, who
basically was the guy tasked with the background of Oswald.
And this guy, when you go through all of his notes,
and he was prolific in his notes, he couldn't figure

(07:37):
out a damn thing. He couldn't figure out when anybody
was ware because the testimony of Robert Oswald and Marguerite
Oswald contradicted with school records and all this other stuff.
So in this nineteen forty six ish time period, when
Oswald goes the ben to the grammar school in Covington,
you have John hart Eli including that he obviously could

(07:58):
have only lived there for like three or four months
over the summer, and that was his final conclusion. But
we have the school record showing that he finished out
that semester there before they returned to Fort Worth. However,
Robert Oswald testifies that all through forty six and through
Christmas forty six, they were living in Benbrook at an
address that nobody knows because it was just out a
po box because it was nothing really built up out there.

(08:20):
So the heavy duty contradictions really start with the trip
to Boston while he's going to Benbrook, and then all
the stuff that goes on at Covington in Louisiana that's
all contradicted and when So who the hell knows what's
the real story? We don't know, but we have a
photograph of Oswald there and he Oswald did finish this
semester through the end of the year, or not the

(08:42):
school year, but the end of the actual year in
forty six, and then in forty seven he's back at
Ridgeley West Elementary School, right, And so yeah, it's a
whole big cluster. And it's funny because I read, I
try to read some books about Oswald's past, and people
try to like come up with a timeline, and they
end up having to ignore half the data in order

(09:03):
to construct the timeline, because everybody discounts the fact that
there were two Lee Harvey Oswald's and that this was
an intentional plot going back, you know, to before the
time of the modern intelligence agencies.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So, folks, if you're thinking this is just another kind
of rundown biography of Lee Harvey Oswald's life, it's anything.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
But what Corey is doing.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Is he's kind of actually revising the traditional accepted narrative
of who this man was, and more importantly, Corey who
these families are. Right, because this is not a story
about a kind of loaner who was drifting through life
and decided to take his revenge on JFK. Right, right,

(09:48):
You make a point that this is really about a
deep