Encoded Mysteries, Hermetic Principles & 7 Days of Creation, Realms of Thought | Jonathon Meyers - Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
that people are going to have to talk about how
weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
the hell is going on. It's not enough to say
it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.

(00:23):
The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
the forces that have been unleashed.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew.
Today my guest is Jonathan Myers. First, be sure and
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(01:10):
Forbidden Knowledge dot News. It's also the home of the
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podcasts and content creators. Today, I want to welcome back
to the show Jonathan Myers. He is a hypnotherapist, researcher,
and co host of Metamisteries podcast. Jonathan, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
How you doing awesome, dude, Really looking forward to this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Let's get weird, baby good Man. Always a wonderful time.
Seems like the path of awareness can be extremely difficult
these days. Once you become aware of the true nature
of our systems of control, trying to navigate the deceptions,
the inversions, it can cause depression, anxiety, and even a

(01:52):
little bit of psychosis. And you and I have been
exploring the deeper levels of reality for a while now.
For me, my reality has become much easier to navigate
now that I have begun to explore spiritual paths and possibilities.
There's a delicate balance between our material and spiritual path

(02:13):
especially for me. Going too deep into any system can
become dangerous as well. And today you wanted to share
some insights from your own spiritual journey. There's a lot
to get into with this from what you were messaging
me about before. Very excited to get into this before
we do. For those that may not be familiar, just

(02:35):
tell us a little bit about yourself and let them
know how they can find out.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
More so, I am the host of two podcasts, I
Run or I co host Metamistics podcast where we get
into all of the different spiritual, philosophical, magical, all the
occult kind of stuff. Just exploring everything that is encompassed
over there with that kind of stuff. But I also

(03:00):
my first podcast that I ever created was The Cults
of Conspiracy, and the Cult of Conspiracy is just exactly
what it sounds like, diving into every conspiracy that you
can imagine. We are coming up on episode one thousand
over there, which is kind of crazy, been doing it
over the course of you know, five plus years now,
and and yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Gonna lie, dude.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
If it was because of the Cult of Conspiracy and
looking into all these you know, the crazier conspiracies nine
to eleven, moon landing, COVID, all all the wild ones, right,
and many many more, obviously, that has caused me to
has caused my reality to just like shatter every single episode,

(03:42):
you know, whenever you start looking a little bit deeper
into the whys and the hows and the who's and
the winds and and all of that kind of stuff.
It really starts to shatter the illusion of the reality
that you thought was pretty stable. And so that caused
me to start looking deeper into everything, really trying to
find the absolute truth. There has to be some kind

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of absolute truth, you would imagine, because there always seems
to be some kind of underlying reason why, at least
in the conspiratorial realm, why they would do such things, right,
And so that's what that's what opened me up to,
you know, uh, creating metamistics and you know, just just

(04:24):
trying to find out the truth of everything with no boundaries.
And one thing that I found with the with you know,
conspiracies in general, is that, you know, most people like
to link back all of the conspiratorial stuff to like
religious underlyings, and it's always kind of geared in some
kind of good versus evil, God versus Satan, Jesus versus Satan,

(04:48):
that whole thing. And I'm like, all right, well, let's
dive a little bit deeper into that. Well, the problem
is is, whenever you start diving deeper into that route,
it's almost like you ever had a dream, and like
everybody in that dream is wearing a hat, okay, And
so you're like, you know what, it's kind of hot outside,
let me take this hat off, and everybody stares at

(05:10):
you and looks at you like, I can't believe you
just did that. We all wear hat here, Like, everybody's
wearing a hat. Why are you not wearing a hat?
And that's the look that I get whenever I start
questioning things that I guess I'm not allowed to question,
but I don't like rules.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
I'm kind of a little bit of a renegade in
that sense.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right on, man, Based on some of the things that
I mentioned in the introduction, what are your observations about
the current state of our reality? Seeing that much of
what we're presented is honestly theatrics. The deeper you dive
into anything presented in the news or even on social media,

(05:50):
the more you find out that there is some level
of manipulation and control in the narratives being presented, at
least those mainstream narratives that try to steer society in
certain ways. But seeing that there's so much theater out there,
what are your observations about the state of the everyday person.

(06:13):
I think they're trying to portray it as there is
global psychosis and we're almost in a state of civil war.
But when I go outside and talk to the everyday person,
my neighbors, people on the street, my friends, they're cold.
There's nothing wrong with these people. We're not about to
throw down. There doesn't seem like there's tensions in the streets.

(06:37):
Although I don't live in a big city, I don't
know why you'd want to anyway, but that seems to
be where that kind of stuff concentrates anyway, And they're
trying to herd people into the cities. That's a whole
other situation. But as far as your everyday person, and
I think a greater portion of the population is more

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on the side of humanity than not.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I think that too.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think that the Internet is kind of a like
a wild wild West, and it reminds me of Do
you remember it was a few years ago that people
were going to storm Area fifty one and go and
they were going to go all clap alien cheeks. Yeah, right,
that was the thing, and and people were liking it
and saying they were going by the hundreds of thousands,
if not the millions, And then they actually shows up

(07:27):
and not even a thousand people show up. I think
the the illusion is that people are trying to portray
somebody or something or some kind of ideology on the
Internet that they're more than likely not going to do,
not going to live up to. Maybe that's just a
facade that they're kind of living behind. And it's just trends.

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And the problem with the problem with that kind of
stuff is that trends fade, you know, trends die over time.
You know, there was a point in time where the
youth were eating tiede pods until people found out that,
like shocker, it's not good for you, and so maybe
you should you know, and uh and and and I
think that the Internet is, like I said, just kind

(08:10):
of like a wild wild West in that sense. So
whenever people in the mainstream on news and social media,
they're they're trying to almost evoke this weird eschaton, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
And this is something that I really love getting into.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's like a it's like a fake bringing about of
the end times so that they can start to implement,
you know, certain stricter rules and surveillance and starting to
take away your freedoms and and and really shining a
light on those that don't have because we want everybody
to be equal. Well, how do you get everybody to
be equal outside of socialism and communism? I think that

(08:44):
that is the route right And you know, and I've
seen a lot of people really trying to paint Trump
as this Antichrist. I mean, I don't think that it's
that cut and dry, to be honest with you, I
think that most people don't even understand what Christ is,
let alone try and describe what Antichrist would be personally.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
There is so much that is being portrayed, like you said,
to evoke certain reactions that bring about fear in order
to maintain states of control. Obviously, people right now are
becoming aware of a lot of things, though most of
the people that I speak to have a level of

(09:25):
awareness that surprises me at times about the nature of reality,
about the nature of our systems, government, things of that nature,
how corrupt it really is. But there's another side of it,
people becoming aware and people trying to find answers. But
without any spiritual path, it can become difficult to navigate everything.

(09:48):
Let's get into what you've been looking into as far
as the spiritual path and how you've been navigating some
of the madness.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
So my first kind of break in to understanding the
world a little bit better is just by shifting my
perception and looking at it through a different lens and
shout out to a guess that we've had on metamistics
a few times now.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
His name is Optimistic Banks.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
He's a conscious rapper, awesome, awesome guy, very very bright individual.
And you know, he was talking about how it's really
just all one consciousness. And I'm not gonna lie, that
wasn't the first time I had I had ever heard it,
but to take it literally is quite is quite different,
right that if there is really only one thing going on,
and kind of like the pantheistic.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Idea that you know, all all is.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Just one giant consciousness, well then you start really looking
into like hermeticism and the idea around the seven Hermetic
principles with you know, the first Hermetic principle is that
all the all is mind, and the mind is all
is that that that's all there is is just mine,
followed by you know, obviously the six other Hermetic principles.

(11:03):
But and so I was like, all right, that's interesting
about how there are seven Hermetic principles there's seven days
of creation in the Bible, right, And then I was like,
I'm super big on Carljung and the subconscious archetypes, archetypes
of the mind and whatnot. And I was like, I

(11:25):
wonder if we can just combine these three to really
get a deeper understanding as to the nature of what
we call reality is.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
You know, if all of it really is.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Just one thing, and you know, and and here we
are trying to perceive said one thing and learn about
that one thing, then let's, you know, try and see.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Because if you think all the.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Way back to like before there was a Bible, and
before there was Torah and and all these other you know,
different scripts and scrolls and tablets and all this other stuff,
most of it was like word of mouth teaching, right,
Like it was oral traditions. And it made me wonder, like,
why would they be so against writing it down in

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the first place that for hundreds, if not thousands of years,
it was all oral tradition. What would be the idea
as to why you would want to do that. Well,
I believe a couple of reasons. You would you would
take it out of context, or maybe you would take
it literally, which I don't know which one's worse, to
be honest with you, and and so that's where we're

(12:33):
going to get to today. And I'm not gonna lie, dude,
this is some unlock the simulation level shit that we're
going to be talking about today. So if you're completely
open minded, and you know, I can't remember who said it.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
I think Aristotle said that.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
The the the mark of an intelligent mind is one
that can listen and not judge the the.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
The words that are being said.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I kind of butchered that one, But essentially just to
be able to listen and don't react, that's that's kind
of the idea here. So because it is going to
be ruffling some feathers like and I don't mean to
do it in any kind of negative way or I'm
not calling anybody dumb or stupid or you know whatever, ignorant.
That's not what I'm trying to do today. I believe

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that the things that I'm getting into are at more
of a deeper, conscious, subconscious unconscious level of the mind
about how reality takes shape from from the mind itself
and then projecting it out into this physical reality that
we see every day.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Love it man, let's ruffle some feathers.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
All right.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
So you know, one of my favorite movies of all
time is actually not even an old one. It's a
Ready Player one. And this was and it's because of
the kind of esoteric underlays in the movie that I
really love. My favorite one is whenever he's trying to
find all the keys, right, Like, so in the movie,

(14:04):
this guy creates like this, you know, simulation video game
type world of which most people would prefer to be
inside of that game rather than in this physical reality,
because this physical reality has gone to absolute shit, right,
which I feel like we're probably not terribly far away from. So,
but he talked about that there's these three keys to

(14:26):
fined in Ready Player one. So there's the copper key,
the Jade key, and the crystal key. Each key would
unlock a gate that leads to the ultimate prize, which
is uh, the creator of the game, his name is Halliday,
and and he had this easter egg, right, so to
find the first key he remembers I'm talking about whenever

(14:47):
I say he, it's the main character, which is Parsival.
So Parsival remembers that Holiday or Holiday is saying that
in order to go forward, you have to go backward,
almost like reverse engineering, and lo and behold, Parsible finds
out that he that's how he wins the first race
to get to the key. So that's kind of like
my idea for the show today, going backward to go forward,

(15:11):
you know, almost like a little reverse engineering.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I like that kind of ideology.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
You know, rather than just accepting the information given to you,
go and find out how that information that is given
to the masses was created in the first place, the
underlying truths and philosophies behind it in the first place.
So I think that it's very important to understand, you know,
almost the the etymological roots of every word.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
That is out there given.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
So like dude, even for example, we did the etymological
understanding of the root word demon, right, just trying to
find out what a demon is, and then you find
out that it connects to two main words. So you
would have a damon or it's it's spelled damon, but
it's it's pronounced demon, it's d a. And that's something

(16:01):
that it was kind of like the the the I
don't know, I guess the the eggregre or the tulpa
of the mind that is connected to higher realms, right,
and like ancient emperors would actually like the the ancient
emperors believed that they had this connection to the heavens

(16:23):
above as long as they were able to clearly converse
with their demon. Right so uh and and you would
actually even have and this is over in Rome, like
so the Roman empires or the Roman emperors would literally
their demons would be worshiped. So if you had like,
for example, like Emperor Constantine, he's you know, the first

(16:45):
person to really bring Christianity over to Rome. But beforehand
he was he was worshiping Saul and Victus, and then
he just so happens to go out onto a battlefield
after hearing about this Christian story and he sees some
kind of vision and you know, lo and behold, he's
now a Christianity and he's trying to bring Christianity over
to the Roman Empire. Right, But initially he was worshiping

(17:06):
his damon or his demon.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
And it was spelled a little differently as well.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Right, held that way, right, yeah, And so if you
look at it, it be on all of the coinage,
So all the Roman emperors, they all had their faces
on said coins, right, Like that's why they say, give
unto Caesar. What is Caesar's kind of shit? Right, because
it has his face on it, give it back to him.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
But all of the all of the emperors, they all
had their own coinage, and on their coinage they would
all have a son behind them, and this was almost
to be like a tribute to soul invictus or to
their demon, right. And then you start to see some
of the symbolism leaking over into Christianity, the sun being

(17:51):
behind Jesus's head, right, And so it's very interesting whenever
you start to look that up, and then you find
out that like the idea of the gin or the genie, right,
it's it all connects. So like the idea of a
gin and genie, well, that goes back to the idea
of of a genius, right, and so the genius and

(18:11):
the demon are basically the same thing. It is this
higher connection to a higher realm that somebody was you
would have. The genius is worshiped, which is essentially just
a tulpa. If we're just being real here, it's a
thought form created and you're you're now believing that you're
conversing with that thought form it's not completely unheralded. I

(18:33):
mean people have you know, people talk to Pleadians, and
people talk to Jesus, and people talk to aliens, and
people will talk to all these different gods, right, And
so this was kind of just a placeholder for you know,
it was almost like imagine just to use Constantine, this
was Constantine's genius, right, And so a genius was seen

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as something that was outside of you, that you were
almost pulling straight from the ether. And then that that
gets translated into a genie and then ultimately into a gin.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
And even whenever you're looking at a gin, they'll tell
you that like gen aren't always bad like gin. They
can be good gen there can be bad gin. Well
that kind of sounds like what we're talking about with
the demon the genius, and you know, having these connections
to higher realms and stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It also connects with the belief that our thoughts aren't
our own, that there is an information field or intelligences
beyond our perception that carry the information and inspiration and creativity,
any kind of creative abilities that we have is not

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coming from us, but from other spiritual intelligences.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, for sure, And like I said, going back to
the beginning. If it all is one consciousness, then that
would kind of make sense that you had had at
you would have access to the field of consciousness in general,
depending on maybe your frequency or your vibration, your connection
to the higher realms. Now, I'm sure that that's based
on certain practices, based on you know, certain health practices

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even in order to be able to connect to that
you know, kind of higher realm. And so and this
is actually something that I've been you know, thinking about myself,
is that, like, you know, what if we are the
guardian angels to our human like to the individual, right, So,
like who goes and this is I talked about this
in a previous episode, but like who goes, you know,

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to the bathroom with you, who sleeps with you every night?
You know, who drives in the car with you? Like
who experiences literally everything with you? Well, if you're that
highest best version of yourself, it would be your human
body that is experiencing it with you and vice versa, right,
so you would feel like you would have kind of
like a companion for the drive in that sense. So

(21:01):
I don't know, that's kind of a weird out there
kind of theory, but I kind of dig it. But anyway,
like I all right, I do want to get over
to my my theory here as far as blending Youngian psychology, Gnosticism, Hermeticism,
and the Seven Days of Creation, because it's gonna get

(21:22):
wild and it's awesome. So I mean, and I'm I'm
very open to being called crazy for a lot of this,
just to let you know. I'm I'm open to and
I don't try and you know, pretend like I'm an
I'm an know all, be all and all kind of thing.
It's just a working theory. So nobody come at me
too hard. But so the early Christian mystic mystics, the scenes,

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the hermeticis Gnostics, and the Cobbalists, they all taught the
genesis is symbolic, not literal. So I decided to get
a little weird here and combined what Carl Jung talked
about with Genesis being a symbolic story of the human
psyche assembling itself. So even the early mystics and ancient
religious people knew not to write any of this down

(22:08):
because it had to be word of mouth. Otherwise people
would take it out of context or take it literal,
which is what you see a lot of people doing
these days. I did a show about how the biblical
flood and Noah's art couldn't have it couldn't have happened literally,
and I damn near almost got canceled off of my
own show for even mentioning it.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
So kind of how dangerous this is.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
So, but why would you need that story to not
why would you need that story to only be taught
by oral tradition if you were meant to take it literally,
it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So what
we're going to be talking about is how all of
these stories and teachings were about creating consciousness, the mind,
the unconscious, and the subconscious. So it don't take this

(22:51):
in a literal and physical sense. If if reality is
some form of dream simulation matrix, or maybe kind of
a combination of all of them, this might be how
we interpret what it means to exist, If the entire
outer world is nothing more than a projection of the
inner world.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
So follow me, sir man.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
All right.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
So Carl Jung wrote that that Biblical creation myths are
basically psyche maps of the psyche. Light would would mean consciousness,
the waters would be the unconscious. The firmament would be
the the ego and kind of the bounds of the mind. Right,
if you think about it, like firmament is firmamente controlling

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of the mind. It would be you taking control of
your own mind that you would have the sun, moon,
and stars. This is where it gets kind of weird
as archetypal patterns. So just the same thing that Carl
Jung was talking about how gods all represented just subconscious archetypes.
I believe that the sun, moon, and stars would essentially

(23:55):
be the archetypal patterns found within our our conscious mind.
The animals would be obviously your instinct, right, that's kind
of like what they represent. They are all going off
of instinct. The man, whenever man was created, would be
the emergence of the self, as Carl Jung talks about.

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And then on the seventh day whenever, whenever God rested,
would be the individuation that Carl Young talks about as
like the wholeness, right, And to relay this into gnosticism,
narcissism teaches that creation is really the formation of consciousness.
Light is the inner awareness. Firmament would be the mind

(24:38):
barrier or the control of your mind. The Earth is
the ego structure, stars would be the archetypes, animals are
the instinct, and humans receive the divine spark or aka
Sophia's breath. You know so, And also in Genesis. All right,
So in Genesis, when interpreted through the mind or the psyche,

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it follows almost the same exact stages in the same
exact order as the Hermetic laws. So I don't think
that that's a coincidence. And we're gonna see exactly how
they are literally like blueprint overlays talking about the same thing,
just taking different Okay, this is this is so wild
do Whenever I found this, I was like, holy shit,

(25:20):
let's get weird. So the seven days would then act
as a mental emergence and identity formation of polarity, differentiation,
rhythmic cycles, instinct plus your higher mind and then integration.
That would be if we're looking at the seven days
of creation, that would be what they represent, which would

(25:41):
which actually is exactly the Hermetic model. So if you
and just looking at Genesis, for the people that take
it literally, Genesis makes no literal sense. You know, It's
just a story. But what is that story trying to portray?
So if you are to take it literally, life existed
before the sun, days days exist before time, the firmament

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would be a solid dome, which some people believe that,
and religious people believe that the first time that it
rained was during the biblical flood. So even a flood
and building an arc is symbolic to the mind. So
just wanted to throw that out there. So now we're
going to go into how it's broken down day by day,
so each day of creation, about how it corresponds to

(26:29):
each Hermetic principle, because Genesis is essentially Hermetic wisdom written
in story form. But before we do so, okay, so
according to Wikipedia, this is just Wikipedia. They say that
the Hermetic principles were articulated in the early twentieth centrally
in the early twentieth century, particularly in the book called

(26:53):
the Kabbalion, which highly suggests everybody reads that. It's a
very quick read, very good though, and that book was
public in nineteen oh eight by authors known as the
Three Initiates, which I think adds a little bit of
a level of mysticism to it personally. However, the ideas
that they encompass are rooted in earlier Hermetic texts and

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traditions dating back to allegedly from one hundred to three
hundred right. So the exact time when Hermes trisma justis
lived is unclear, but he is often associated with ancient Egypt,
possibly before the times of Moses, and is thought to
have emerged during the Hellenistic period. So his teachings, in

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his teachings and writings known as the Hermetica, were developed
over several centuries. That's why you had like certain different
incarnations of Hermes, which I don't even know if we're
supposed to take that literally, to be honest with you,
I think that certain people were claiming to be Hermes
because maybe they were channeling information from Hermes, or they

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were on the same thought pattern as Hermes was, or
something like that, right, And that's what you'll see like
all throughout, you know, even even poets would say that
they were William Shakespeare and it was just like an
extension of and it's the same thing as the even
like the Gnostic writings. They'll say, well, this was written
by John or this was written by so and so

(28:18):
maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but it was it
was kind of like here, we're going to try and
connect these paths so you can see, you know, what
they mean internally rather than the external kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
It's so difficult to navigate through our ancient past just
because ten fifteen years ago is like a fucked up
game of telephone trying to relay information. Imagine centuries.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh dude, and you start to look at some of
the early Gnostics about how they were absolutely hunted for
their beliefs. I mean, there was a reason why finding
the Nagamadi text back in was it nineteen forty six
or nineteen forty eight or something like that. There's a
reason why that was like so profound whenever that happened,
because there was like almost nothing on on gnosticism. And

(29:09):
to see that it was able to kind of be
like contained basically in the desert in Egypt somewhere, you know,
is quite a quite a miracle, I believe. But if
you look back at like the the early Gnostics and
and dude, they like if Christ, if the Bible comes
at any one sect of people harder than anybody else,

(29:33):
I would say that it comes at the Gnostics the hardest,
if you really think about it.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
They're known as the heretics of the Bible.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
They're known as the people that are spreading false lies
and false rumors and all this other shit, right, And
I don't think that that's it. Look if if if
what they were talking about the Gnostics, if what they
were talking about was so so wrong and uh and
in you know, heretical and stuff like that, why would

(29:59):
you you need to go and like brutally murder all
of them? You know, if you look into the Cathars
for example, and uh, I believe it was in the
south of France, but in the the Cathars, dude, they
were like slaughtered over the course of I think three
different popes.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
You had Pope saying that.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
We need to go and basically started a war against
all these people. And it was a convert or die
kind of situation. And my thought process is like, look,
if they're so stupid and silly and they don't understand,
why do you need to go and murder all.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Another way to think about it is who's really evil here?
The ones committing murder are the ones just looking for
answers about our reality?

Speaker 4 (30:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, it's interesting whenever you use their own words and
you know you you know them by their fruits kind
of thing.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
That's kind of the way I look at it.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
So anyhow, yeah, definitely look into cathars if you haven't before,
because that is a fucking rabbit hole of all rabbit
holes right there.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Uh But like all right, let's get back to it.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
So the idea of the first day of creation right
in the Bible, it says, let there be light. Now,
how that would portray itself as the hermetic principle. Well,
the first Hermetic principle is mentalism. That everything is mind, right,
so let there be light. Everything is mine. So light
would be awareness, creation would be a thought, and reality

(31:22):
would be I say reality with quotations would be the
mental projection. So Day one is the moment that consciousness
recognizes itself, the mind becomes illuminated. And this matches the
hermetic principle that all is mind in the universe is mental.
So this light is the birth of your inner universe.

(31:43):
Awareness turns chaos into something that you can perceive, right,
And so this is what's fascinating is the So I
did a show on DMTX. The study is over at
Imperial College in London, and my God, is that mind
blowing The things that they have found because allegedly they
were trying to map the DMT realm.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
You can't map it.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
But the idea over there was is that, you know, essentially,
what they found out is is that whenever people smoke DMT,
you're not hallucinating. It just gets rid of the oh
what is it called the oh, there's a term for it.
It basically the damn it. I can't believe. I can't

(32:24):
think of the word. But anyway, it's basically like the
filter that our mind uses to be able to perceive
this physical reality. And so whenever you smoke DMT, it
removes that filter, so that filter is no longer there.
So what they found is is that actually, whenever you're
smoking DMT, you're not hallucinating. Whenever you are not smoking DMT,

(32:48):
you are hallucinating, which is quite a mind fuck, right.
So whenever this is saying that, you know, awareness turns
chaos into something that you can perceive. Makes sense if
all this stuff is really happening. It's ever done a
mushroom trip and seeing gears in the walls, you know
what I mean? Like, maybe that's maybe that's really there,
and just our our filter is kind of filtering it

(33:10):
out it could be.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
So essentially Genesis.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Day one would be the mind awakening, all right, Day
two would be uh. In it talks about how the
waters are divided, right, so day two if we're talking,
if we're relaying it to the hermetic principle, course, uh,
the Hermetic principle number two is correspondence, So as above

(33:34):
so below.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Isn't it interesting?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
How about how they talked about the waters being divided
on day two and Hermetic principle number two is correspondence,
talking about as above so below. So it's the split
of the waters above and below may be the birth
of duality. So your inner world versus your outer world,
your spiritual versus your physical, your intuition versus your instinct,

(33:57):
and your higher mind versus your lower mind. So this
is exactly the principle of correspondence as above, so below,
as within so without. So the firmament aka ate your
mind becomes the bridge between your higher mind and your
lower mind. So dual awareness is formed on day two,
which is quite fascinating. I think if youse here, I

(34:21):
hope so well. I mean, if that tickles your pickle,
let's go over to day three. Dry Land appears on
Day three in the Bible, So the hermetic principle number
three is vibration. So in other words, nothing rests, everything moves.
So how would land appear then by the waters, meaning

(34:42):
emotions and energy vibrating into form. So Day three is
when emotions would crystallize into beliefs, thoughts become identity, patterns
become personality. So everything you are is a vibration, hardened
at least you know, on the surface, it looks like
it's hardened into a form. So matter, all matter is

(35:05):
is just a slow down vibration, very slowed down vibration.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
That's why you know.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Whenever you hear about certain alien encounters, they say, oh man,
it's just so dense to be on Earth. It's one
of the hardest places you can go. Because it's so dense,
people believe that it's physical reality and stuff like that.
You hear about that with alien encounters, You hear about
that with people doing psychedelics, you hear about that with
people doing past life regressions. Right about how Earth is,

(35:31):
it's a school, and it's one of the hardest schools
you can go to. It's basically the Yale of the
subconscious mind. Right, So I think that that is quite interesting.
So if you look at it, so vegetation growing on
day three in the Bible, what equal thoughts reproducing and spreading,
just like vibrations expanding outward. So if we're to look

(35:55):
at Genesis day three, it could literally mean the identity
terms through vibration, which would make sense. If you, if you,
if you, if if All you see whenever you look
out without the filter is absolute chaos, you know, like
I just imagine the DMT realm where you're seeing, you know,
a little machine elves and crazy geometric perfection, and what

(36:17):
are you going to do with that?

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Right? But whenever you put that filter on, it slows
it down.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
You're able to see something for what it is, at
least through this one human perception, and maybe there's a
little bit of something to learn at that point.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I wonder if we're even looking at this in a
way that maybe one hundred one thousand years from now
we'll have a completely different understanding of the creation story.
I often wonder if there was a time in our
what we perceive as time, what we perceive as history,
that there was human creation, or if somehow consciousness was

(36:57):
always in form or always coming to be in a sense,
I think.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
That it's just always existed, to be honest with you,
and I think that it found a way to become
more and more and more intelligent. I almost imagine conscious
the beginning of consciousness, if there ever was a beginning.
You know that as humans, we look at everything, you know,
kind of on a day to day basis. We can't
imagine something that just always has existed. But if we

(37:25):
were to imagine something beginning, if there was a beginning,
I would imagine that the primitive conscious that ultimately constructed
the universe and all these different realities, almost as like
cavemen primitive, and there it was learning about itself, and
it was going through the process and everything about you know,
what it means to exist, and what it means to

(37:47):
have duality, and what it means to have all these
different things that eventually, you know, came to pass in
how we look at our reality. And I would imagine
that if you're trying to understand yourself a little bit better,
maybe you would divide yourself into billions of different creations
and then kind of bring that information back to the

(38:07):
primitive kind of first consciousness or whatever, and then that
consciousness maybe eventually, you know, starts to expand a little bit,
because I think that ultimately that the God or consciousness
or the universe is if it is just one thing,
I would imagine it's pretty damn lonely. And so it's
probably multiple reasons why you would want to go about

(38:27):
creating everything if you're the only thing that exists, and
maybe you'd maybe the first creation or the first consciousness
or whatever was just trying to find a way to
really understand how to love itself. Because whenever you love yourself,
they say that, that's whenever you're a whole, right, So,
like the idea of basically becoming whole and reaching this

(38:50):
state of enlightenment and blissed out and stuff like that
is knowing that the outside world can't give you anything
more than what you can give yourself. And so if
you can give yourself love and respect and and bliss
a blissful happy state all the time, then you wouldn't
necessarily need the outside world. Not necessarily need it, but

(39:11):
you don't need it to have those certain types of emotions.
And you know what I mean, like that kind of thing,
because you hear about like certain gurus out there like
I always love I always like listening to Sad Guru
personally amongst many other gurus. But that's what he says.
He goes, dude, there is Well he didn't say dude,
but he would say that there there nobody can nobody.

(39:32):
I don't allow anybody to make me happy and I
don't allow anybody to make me sad because it has
to pass through my filter of what I allow myself
to feel, which, you know, you would say that that
might be a kind of enlightened individual if you look
at life that kind of in that kind of way,
because now you're no longer controlled by things that are
on the outside of you. You control basically the temperature

(39:55):
within the highness zone. Yeah, I don't know, dude. I mean,
it's it's quite fascinating. I'm not gonna lie. Whenever I
first started looking into all this stuff, I just became
obsessed with learning about all this stuff, you know, And
I mean, hey, we're all just one individual trying to
figure it all out.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
So all right, let's get over to day four.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Day four in the creation in the Bible is whenever
the sun, moon and stars were created. Right, if you're
looking at the if you're trying to compare it to
the hermetic principle, that would be principal number four, which
is on day four, which equals polarity, so everything has
its equal opposite. So day four introduces polar opposites, so

(40:34):
you have the sun and the moon, day and night,
conscious and unconscious reason and emotion, and then masculine and feminine.
That would be whenever polarity was created, as the fourth
thermetic principle, and the day four in the Bible, whenever
the sun, moon and stars were all created, So this
could be when time itself is born, and time is

(40:55):
nothing more than just polarized cycles. So polarity would explain
maybe your emotion, like if you're talking about the the
inward polarity, it would explain your your emotional swings and
internal conflict and uh, even human contradictions that like the
idea that all truths are but half truths, which is

(41:18):
kind of a brain fuck if you start to think
about it. But the inner cosmos would then start functioning
through opposites, that there's always a good and bad and
a light and dark and all these kinds of thing.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
That's that's like, it's almost how our mind is wired.
If you think about it so then you uh so. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Basically, the idea of the of the Genesis Day four
would be polarity becomes the structure of the mind. And
if you think about it, especially in politics nowadays, I mean,
if you vote for somebody that I didn't vote for,
you're so far removed from what I what I believe
about the goodness of this reality.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
You don't want to do this, you didn't vote for that.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
And it's like it is, it is a really good
or really bad. There's no gray in between.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Right. It is almost a spitting image of polarity.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
And you could say that that is literally woven into
the fabric of our brains and of our conscious minds,
that that is the lens of which we view reality.
And that's why I believe that you're getting so many
people just going to these extremes, especially politically these days, right.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And I think a lot of our division comes from
getting too deep into certain spiritual beliefs. Wherever these beliefs
stem from, there's usually an intelligence, a higher power, a
higher intelligence involved with that belief system. In our ancient past,

(42:50):
much of the spiritual belief systems led to conflict. They
led to mass wars and conflicts and more division. And
I'm wondering how much of these spiritual influences are a

(43:10):
sort of infiltration into our reality to steer us away
from our natural course of evolution in a sense, sort
of like etheric parasites in a way.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
And I think that a lot of these things are
created for that purpose, because if you're trapped in duality,
you're never going to be able to see above the board.
You know, imagine like they're just keeping you as a
pawn on the chessboard. You're not even the person that
has the hand on the pawn. You're just the pawn
almost being controlled as to where you move next.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Right. And so whenever, whenever you bring duality into.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
The world, and you know you you give the almost
like it's there's a falseness of freedom of choice, I
think within this whole dualistic system that we have, and
that dualistic system definitely goes beyond politics, it goes it
goes beyond just religion. It goes like it's interwoven into

(44:11):
literally everything into our lives. And so I think, but
the reason that they do that is because they want
you seeing that you only have two choices, because if
there was a third choice, you'd realize who's controlling those pawns.
And that's really where I came to in the conspiratorial
realm is what whenever people started and even I was,
I was sucked right into it myself. I mean, I'm

(44:33):
I'm imperfect too, I'm trying to get there, but like
I was sucked right into it.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
You know, I thought that the whole idea of.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Trump becoming, you know, he was cute and nothing had
stop what is coming.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
He's gonna drain the swamp and he's gonna do all
these amazing things.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
It is literally just another form of duality, that's all
it is. And so whenever you can remove yourself from
that and see it from all the different angles, now
you're like, oh, okay, so politics is just for like
uninitiated people.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Like it's almost like a primitive way of understanding reality.
Whenever you think that you only have two choices, and
I'm sorry, if you only got two choices, like there
is no freedom of choice, Like that's not freedom at all.
If you only got two choices. It just reminds me
of like you know, in a sense like religion. You know,
religion will say that you know, believe this or you

(45:28):
go to hell. Well I thought we had freedom of choice,
Well you do?

Speaker 4 (45:32):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
So how do I have freedom of choices if one
of my one of the two choices that I have
is eternal you know, hell fire Like, that's not necessarily
a choice. So I think that that's kind of the
idea is wrapping it all into dualism in that sense,
is the false sense of freedom and all that fun jazz.
So yeah, I'm trying to completely remove myself from all
of you know, like there's always two teams to every

(45:55):
single thing in life, and you got to get out
of that, dude, or else you're just gonna control.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It also makes me wonder what the possible true nature
of original creation, the original human creation was, if there
was such a thing, if we weren't always here in
a sense, but the true nature, meaning, were we benevolent beings?
Were we spiritual beings? Did we know we had a

(46:22):
connection to something greater? Or were we just blankly put here,
memory wiped and no awareness of anything, just survival mode?
Where did we begin as far as our true nature?

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Oh Man, that's that's probably the million dollar question I
would imagine, you know, because it was people still to
this day that have a hard time answering that in
their perspective of the world. You know, it's like, I mean, whenever,
and I've talked to like a lot of witches and
magicians and stuff like that that they'll say, and not
all of them, but some of them will say, there

(47:02):
is no such thing as light magic and black magic,
like it's all there's only one magic. And it's almost
like the Force from Star Wars, right, and it encompasses
everything that the idea of something encompassing everything, everything would
have to be in there, so it wouldn't necessarily be
good or evil.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
It's just everything.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
And if we're talking about if it is just one consciousness,
then like you know, we would share the same consciousness
from the lowest scum of the earth kind of people
and the highest, you know, most amazing kind of people,
and then beyond.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
I think that all.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Of the people that have ever existed, all the people
that will ever exist, and all the people that currently
exist are all within this giant one consciousness and it's
not good or bad, it's just you know, everything. And
but I do think that there are certain like the
idea of like within magic and stuff and witchcraft. You know,
people that do baneful magic in hexes and curses and

(48:01):
all that kind of stuff. I personally believe this is
just my own personal thing. I would never practice a
hex or a curse or baneful magic or anything like that,
because I think that whenever you do something bad, you're
almost opening up that doorway in your mind to allow
something bad to happen back to you. And that's why
I think that it's so important that the Bible even

(48:22):
talks about like love your neighbor as yourself, because whenever
you do something good for somebody, it makes you feel good,
maybe it brings a little bit of good into your life,
and now you.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Don't have that.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Weird paradox of like, you know, good and bad necessarily.
It's almost like a It's like karma in a sense.
You know, many people have been trying to describe karma
for the longest time. But and even within like Buddhism,
they'll say that the idea is to ascend higher than
the balance of karma itself. And so that's why you
shouldn't give in to good or bad. That you know,

(48:58):
just and it's all dude, and this spiritual stuff is
like it is hard, like it's it's difficult to answer
some questions like that. But yeah, I think that you know,
it's only beneficial to do good, like to do good,
to be good, to treat others exactly.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
How don't be a douchebag, love thy neighbor. There you go,
put it on a T shirt, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
So yeah, all right, So I want to finish up
these last few days here of created. So day five
in the Bible, it talks about the creating the creatures
of the sea and the sky. Right, So the hermetic principle,
the fifth thermetic principle is rhythm, would be the pendulum swinging. Right,
So Day five would be all about your emotional tides,

(49:46):
mental cycles, waves of thoughts, your highs and lows, inspiration
and depression, fear and courage. The sea would equal uh,
your emotional rhythms. Remember this is all internal, like, don't
even like just use the external world almost as symbols
for your subconscious mind. Right, So the sea would then

(50:07):
be a representation of your emotional rhythms. The sky would
be a representation of your mental rhythms. And even like
hermeticism teaches that the measure of the swing to the
right is the measure of the swing to the left,
So your emotions and thoughts would be rhythmic, not random.
So essentially genesis day five would be representative of the

(50:30):
mind's rhythms and cycles being activated.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Maybe that's where it all right there.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Day six would be the day that the animals and
humanity were created. So you had day five, the creatures
of the sea and the sky were created. Day six,
animals and humanity were created. The hermetic principle number six
is cause and effect, so nothing would happen by chance.
So look at animals as the instinctual cause and effect

(51:00):
and humans being the conscious cause and effect. So Day
six is when karma, consequences, choice, and intentional action enter.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
The subconscious, the psyche of the mind.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Right, So this this would be the day that humans
gain self awareness, moral reasoning, the power to choose causes,
and the responsibility for effects. So maybe this would be
the moment that humanity becomes the creator. You know, it
becomes the you know, the made in the image of God, right,

(51:33):
Like the idea that we're made in the image of
God would essentially be the day that we become like
God or like that of the Creator in that sense.
And so that would be ascending from your animalistic mind
to your higher mind, which would be represented of the
human hu meaning light in man obviously, right, So it's

(51:54):
the light version of you. And so essentially every cause
has a effect and every effect has its cause, according
to hermeticism, and so on day six, the mind would
gain the ability to create reality intentionally, because that's all
we're really doing anyway, if you really think about it, like,
we have a lot more control over the experience that

(52:17):
we experience of what we call life and what we
call reality, because it's all some kind of internal combustion
of what's going on inside of us. And so if
we can try and master ourselves. To know yourself is
like one of the greatest keys of the universe, they say, right,
Like to know yourself.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
It's like, it's funny.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
There's this uh, there's this old Sufi mystic his name
is Roomy, and he had a quote that says, I, Uh,
I tried finding God and all I found was myself.
And I tried finding myself and all I found was God.
Kind of in that weird sense, like that you know,
So if you are able to connect with God in

(53:00):
that sense or the all the source, the universe, whatever,
if you are able to mesh yourself back into that
kind of higher state, then you would be separating yourself
from your lower animal human animal human instinct. Now you're
not so much worried about binging at McDonald's. You're not
so much worried about, you know, banging thirty chicks a week,

(53:22):
you know what I mean, Like, you're you're going to
be weary of the information that's coming in because you
know the effect that it's going to have on you,
and and it's just a domino effect, and so you're
going to be putting yourself in better situations, eating healthier,
you know, even watching what you're saying, you know, all
the different words that you say, all the thoughts that
you think, because you know that it's going to somehow manipulate.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
The reality in a way or not.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Like if you're looking at the at life like as
a it's a dream or something. I don't know, I
just love that kind of stuff. So essentially, on day six,
the mind would gain the ability to create reality intentionally.
And then finally on day seven, God rested on the
seventh day. Everybody knows that, but this is where it
gets even weirder. Dude, this is probably the weirdest one.

(54:09):
So Day seven the hermetic principle, the seventh thermetic principle,
the final one is the hermetic principle of gender. So
if you think about gender in the sense of divine
masculine and divine feminine, right the absolute highest, top best
version of masculinity and femininity. So most people would say

(54:29):
that this is the most misunderstood principle, which it commonly is.
Gender in hermeticism means you're conscious plus your subconscious, your
thought plus your feeling, and then your will plus your imagination.
That would be the idea of gender. So like so
Day seven would be the balance, the blending of the opposites.

(54:53):
It's the moment that the mind integrates the psyche, unifies
the divine masculine, which kind of represents the awareness, joins
with the divine feminine, which would represent the intuition. Right,
So this union itself, once you become like fully like,
engulfed in your divine masculine, in your divine feminine at

(55:16):
the same time, that would create an inner piece. So
this would be God resting would be the the achieved,
the mind achieving equilibrium, so that then God would be
able to rest. I finally got to this place now.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
So it's not only telling a story of creation, it
is mirroring the ascension process of spiritual awareness. Basically.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Yeah, it's almost like a roadmap you know, each each
individual can do it, is what this is kind of
alluding to. That's what like all the mystery schools and
and you know, all of the different branches of the occult.
I think that the occult is probably some of the
miss the most misunderstood shit there is. If you look
into Kabbalism, you look into her Meticism, you look into

(56:05):
Sufiism like and and many other ones, right, but like,
I think that it's very, very, very misunderstood. And they're like, well,
you see that there's a symbol, there's a six, you know,
there's a swastika or whatever. But then you go back
to the roots of the swastika and it's supposed to
be like balance in peace. You know, it doesn't make

(56:25):
any sense that it was even turned into some kind
of negative thing. And I think that that's what they
try and make these things look like they're horrible. Like, dude,
I did a deep dive on Rosicrucianism. I was like,
oh my god, how is this ever seen as anything negative?

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Like?

Speaker 4 (56:40):
It doesn't make Our.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Perception forms our reality, and the parasitic ruling class knows
how to weaponize our perception using psychological operations mind control.
They're masters at it, so they can steer the collective
perception in any direction that they want. At least they
used to. I'm hoping there's more awareness of this now.

(57:03):
But if we focus on something and we truly believe
that it is evil because we've been told it's evil
by certain researchers or authors, are people who look into
those certain topics and they'reof that same perception that it
is evil, That is all it will be until someone
else looks at it in a different light, which it

(57:26):
can be looked at in many different ways. It just
all depends on where you're personally going to go with it,
where does it resonate with you? And I think that
is also can apply to everything in our reality.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
What we focus on will become our reality a hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Dude, think about like, and this is probably where I'm
going to get canceled. I'm not gonna lie, but think
about the Baphomet for example, Okay, like everybody knows the
image of the Baphomet, the two fingers pointing up, the
two fingers pointing down.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
It's a dude with tits, right like it is.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
It's literally like it's painted as if it's a demon
or I'm not even saying that the Baphomet is a
real thing. I think that it's just a like a
subconscious archetype, right, Like it's supposed to represent divine feminine
and divine masculine. It's the two fingers up and the
two fingers down, which is literally your supposed in what

(58:25):
that represents within within magic and the occult whenever you
have like and you'll see, for example, like if anybody
out there plays with tarot, right the magician, which is
the first place that the fools, the fool goes to
on the fool's journey, he meets the magician first, the
magic and it's actually supposed to be the fool, like
this is him evolving throughout all these all these different phases.

(58:48):
But like the idea that the magician holds his wand
up into the sky and he has two fingers pointing down.
It's basically to be that he is a conduit for
receiving information from the heavens, from the ether, from the divine,
and he represents the conduit kind of a receiver, and
he's pointing it towards the ground, essentially trying to bring

(59:10):
heaven on to earth. Yet somehow that is that is
described as evil. It's like, we should want to bring
heaven to earth. We should want to bring happiness and
joy and peace and blissfulness and all these things to earth. Now,
some people will say, like, you know, the the idea
of of doing that, like, and this is where you'll
get to the conversation of like, is there a difference

(59:32):
between dark magic and light magic? It's like, are you
doing that for material gain? Then? Okay, I guess you
could see that as black magic, because the idea is
not to gain materially. It's the it's the idea to
gain philosophically, gain spiritually, gaining information to help you see
beyond the veil and to see for what this is.
If you're doing a magic spell to try and put

(59:54):
a lambeau in your driveway, it's probably not gonna help
you spiritually, you know, what I'm saying right in your mood.
Because you can kick that baby up to one hundred
and sixty on the autobahn. I'm sure that's a fun time.
But spiritually evolving.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Maybe not, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
So yeah, Just as far as the Baphomet though, like
they I believe they made this creature look. They made
this creature look like a beast out of hell, right,
showing that the idea of divine equilibrium is somehow satanic.
It makes no damn sense when you really look at it. So,
but to be fair, as I said, it was never
meant to be expressed outwardly. This is all supposed to

(01:00:31):
be something that the individual achieved inwardly, and so I
believe personally that this may be the actual hidden esoteric
key or the aunk, if you will. I don't think
that genesis is about the world being created. I think
it's about your mind being created according to the Hermetic law.
It's a metaphysical map of how consciousness becomes human and

(01:00:54):
learns to wake back up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
That is my understanding.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
If we're trying to combine the the seven ramatic principles
you know, Youngian psychology, along with the seven Days of
Creation that is kind of just a theory that I'm
working with right now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
What do you think about all that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I think you're onto something. I know that the more
spiritual awareness we have of the true nature of how
this matrix operates, the connections with our consciousness, how powerful
our consciousness and awareness can be. The more we tap
into that, the less power those at the top that

(01:01:33):
are pulling strings have. And they know this, so they've
weaponized spiritual beliefs and they've steered the collective in certain
directions so that they would be totally afraid of exploring
some of these empowering topics because they know that if
we have that knowledge, we will no longer be reliant

(01:01:56):
on things that Daddy government now has the monopoly on
and we rely on from them. So it's all about
taking our power back with all of this stuff, and
it goes across the board. It's not just with the
hidden occult belief systems. It's having a better understanding of
the spiritual belief that you are already a part of.

(01:02:18):
If you're Christian, have a better understanding of what true
Christianity is, not just Churchianity or what people in your
local MAGA group are telling you. It is experience what
some of these systems really are by learning the true
power behind it, I would say one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
And something that I've been I've been really looking into.
There's a there's a huge movement that is happening right
now where people are starting to divide Christian philosophy into
what Jesus said versus what Paul said. Because if you
look at most of the New Testament, most of what
people think that Jesus said and what he represented is

(01:03:06):
seen through the lens of this Paul character. And so
some people are actually saying that Paul never actually existed,
that Paul actually represents the government's version of Jesus. Interesting,
which is kind of because Paul contradicts a few things
of what Jesus said. It's like, are we going to
believe the actual savior or we're going to believe what

(01:03:27):
some dude saw in a vision after he was already
murdering all these Christians in the first place. Like, if
you want to bastardize, if you want to take control
of a narrative, you're going to then not be seen
as an enemy. You're going to be seen as like
an ally at that point. And so there's a lot
of weird shit going on with Paul. If you really
look at.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Interesting, some of the most simple and empowering spiritual teachings
come from the teachings of Jesus Christ. And if you
have that understanding, if you want a simple but powerful
spiritual path, there's your path right there. Just follow those teachings,
and in my perspective, you'll get the key to the matrix.

(01:04:08):
You'll get your way out of here. But it's been
convoluted and infiltrated, and we have the dogma thrown in
there so much that people become wrapped up in the
biblical version of some of these, like you said, the
government sanctioned version.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, And I think that, you know, a good way
of really looking at Christianity in general is that you know,
for example, I have two podcasts. We have a decent
size following on both. Now, all of the alleged followers, which,
to be honest, I don't like to call them followers,
I don't like to call them fans. I like to
just say that you know, here we are, we're all

(01:04:48):
just learning this together.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
I'm no guru.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I'm no like somebody that has more knowledge than everybody else.
It's just that I have time to look up all
this stuff because I do for a living, you know,
And so to kind of convey it into the idea
of a follower, Well, whenever you have somebody following you,
they might be learning your philosophies, but they're not putting
necessarily it into practice on a moment to moment basis.

(01:05:14):
It's just it's almost like you're becoming a fan of
Christianity rather than doing like Jesus did, thinking like Jesus did,
instead of following him. He said, be like him. There's
a major difference in following and being like, wouldn't you
say like like, for example, even the listeners of Forbidden

(01:05:35):
Knowledge News, are they now going to start Forbidden Knowledge
News too, Forbidden Knowledge News number three? Like most of
them are just going to be listening and there's nothing wrong.
Like I love listening to other people. I love listening
to other philosophies and everything because it sparks a little
curiosity and maybe it'll lead your mind into a direction
that you didn't think you was going to go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
But that being said, you know, the follower is not
being like there's a major difference there. So and I
think that if people really started trying to be like
Christ rather than just following him and calling him Lord
and God and putting them up on this crazy pedestal
that they're never going to be able to achieve. What

(01:06:16):
if you actually thought, like, what if you actually believed
that you could achieve at least ten percent of what
Jesus did, because even he said you'll be able to
do all these things? And then some people like to
throw that part out, you know, so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
That's kind of the way I like to look at
certain things.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
And instead of following replicating person, we're all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Just trying to figure this out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
We came here with our memories wiped, we didn't have
any keys or cheat codes. We're learning. That's what it's
all about, man, and I love it. Jonathan, Thank you
so much. Any final thoughts before we close out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
No, I appreciate you, you know kind of I love the
direction that your show is going into. I'm not gonna
lie to you because I I vibe with it myself.
There's only so many conspiracies that you can listen to
and and have your mind shattered in a bunch of
different ways until it just becomes like I don't know,
like h like, it just becomes like something that you

(01:07:20):
do rather than a reason for doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
And if you're still interested in conspiracies, you want to
know it's deeper. You want to go further than what
is on the surface that's already been presented, and the
why and the spiritual nature of some of these things
because it it all goes back to some form of
metaphysical energy in its origin, I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
And you know, before I ever started the Cult of Conspiracy,
I used to listen to podcasts like Yours and Lindsey
from a Roague Ways, Encroachable seven and Tinfoil Had. Those
are like my favorite podcasts that I would listen to,
right And you know, one of the things that Sam
Tripley would always say before I ever even started the
cult was the conspiracy always leads to spirituality.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
And that's the beautiful thing. Like, you know, conspiracy is good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
It use it as a tool to break your understanding
so that you can rebuild it back up into something
that you can use rather than people using you, Like
the people that find themselves being taken advantage of by
certain government conspiracies and stuff like that. You know, unfortunately
we were all led down the wrong path whenever we

(01:08:30):
heard that they found a passport in the rubble of
nine to eleven. You know, some people still believe that,
and I'm like, all right, well, you're probably not going
to be helped like that. Yeah, I mean, if you
believe that kind of stuff, like if you believe the
moon landing footage, I'm sorry, Like, you're not even looking,
You're just accepting information at this point, which, to be honest,

(01:08:51):
that's exactly what the school system does to us in
the first place. It teaches us to remember certain things,
it doesn't teach us how to think right, And so
I think that that's kind of the little difference right there.
I think the conspiracies are still very important. I think
that every now and again you do need your worldview shattered,
because I mean, even the phoenix has to burn down

(01:09:11):
into ash before it's reborn again. But what are you
gonna do once you're reborn agains? You know, what do
you do once your once your your your mind and
your your own philosophy of what it means to exist,
you know, was shattered? Like are you gonna just keep
on having it shattered? Or are you gonna try and build
up on top of it. And that's that's why I
love you. Know my my my podcast, one of my

(01:09:33):
podcasts is Metamistics. If anybody wants to be able to
go over there and check out that show. We have
a Patreon It's patreon dot com slash metamistics. That link
is uh in the show notes of every single episode
that I do. But we're also on YouTube because we
don't say anything that we can get canceled on on YouTube,
at least not in the spiritual realm, not it anyway,

(01:09:54):
So go and check it out over there. It's just
uh YouTube dot com slash metamistics.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
And yeah, I mean anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
We're available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and anywhere that you
listen to your shows. We're on TikTok, Instagram, all the
socials and everything that's for both of my shows, for
the Cult of Conspiracy and Metamistics.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
So I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Having man always a wonderful time. We'll be doing it
again until next time. Everyone, have an amazing evening.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
We'll talk again tomorrow. See y'all.

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