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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Today I want to welcome back to the show David Ike.
He is author of over twenty one books and numerous DVDs,
a researcher, and he has lectured around the world. He
is a pioneer in presenting the hidden nature of our reality. David,
welcome back.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thank you. I'm very good. Actually, it's it's a mad
house we're living in. It's an aside them we're living in.
But you know, you keep you keep going.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I do you do, and that's the only way that
we could ever possibly find a way to break out
of this mad house.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
And today I'm really excited.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
We're going to talk about your new timely book, The Reveal,
the Next Stage of human Awareness, and this covers everything
from who controls the world as usual to the nature
of the afterlife everything in between.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
And I'm very excited about this.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
And in my perspective, we're at a very critical stage
of our human awareness and much of what has always
been fundamentally wrong with society is just being brought to light.
And this is causing confusion, fear, and a lot of
division right now. And like you said, it's a madhouse.
But I've also seen many very positive changes in the collective,

(01:23):
and we're going to get into that as well. We
have a lot to discuss. First, tell us a little
bit about what brought you to write this book.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, it's part of a trilogy. It's the third book
in a trilogy, started with The Trap, then the Dream
and then this one. And it's the result of the
way I go about life and research and all that
I do, and that is that I always know whatever

(01:54):
I conclude at any point, that there's always more to know.
And I think what I've seen in significant parts of
the what's called the alternative media, is that people get
to a certain point and they think I got it.

(02:14):
What they then do is start to go round and
round and round in like an eddy in the river
and basically repeat the same things. Now, for me, we
need to realize the ludicrous, almost laughable range of frequency

(02:38):
that we are actually aware of. It's insane, you know.
According to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically
our reality, is noer point not five percent of what
exists in the universe in terms of energy and visible light,
which is the only band of frequency that we can see.

(03:00):
Everything we perceive is within that bandard frequency is a
fraction of the point, not not five percent. So when
you come from that perspective, the one thing you know
is that whatever you think you know, there's always more
to know. So when I started on this long journey

(03:21):
I'm in a thirty fifth year now, in nineteen ninety
I started looking at who really controlled the world, I mean,
one of the forces that really are behind world events
and the direction that human society goes in. And you

(03:42):
realize when you go down that road that the people
that appear to be in power, that presidents, the prime ministers,
the politicians are not at all. There's a layers behind them,
many layers behind them, actually, so you enter the realm
of what I call the shadow people. Those are the

(04:03):
people you never see, but they're pulling the strings. They're
the ones that are always there as they're here today,
gone tomorrow. Politicians come and go of whatever party. So
I reached that point quite early in the nineteen nineties,
and then I started coming across very strange information, particularly

(04:26):
when I was traveling in America after nineteen ninety six,
where people were telling me about their experiences with a
non human force, often Reptilian, but not always. And so
I started encompassing that, and you still keep going because
even that, there's always more to know. I mean, I mean,

(04:50):
in fact, once that starts to enter your research, the
questions just explode. You realize there's a hell of a
lot more enough. And the next stage of it was
when I started to see that this reality that we

(05:14):
think is natural is actually a simulation. It's the equivalent,
the very advanced equivalent, my goodness, of a virtual reality
computer game and the headsets that connect us into the
computer games and take over our sense of reality. So
people are thrashing around and falling off their chairs and screaming.

(05:39):
The human headset is the human body, the human brain,
which is decoding this simulation as a computer decodes Wi Fi.
But still, okay, more questions. What else is there to know?

(06:00):
And so I started then looking at just how big
this simulation really was, because these are the sort of
things that you know, you ponder on. I've traveled all
over the world. I've been to sixty countries. I can't
go to that many now because I'm ban from thirty

(06:21):
in Europe and Australia and lots of others. If I
tried to get in, but in the previous period, I
traveled a lot, and what I saw in Asia and
Africa and South America and Central America and other places
is that the vast majority of the human race is

(06:41):
not having a good time. It's trying to survive another day.
And so where this took my thinking was, I can
understand that consciousness could be enticed into this reality to
experience through this biological computer, as I've been calling it

(07:06):
since the nineteen nineties. Once I can understand that, and
by this time I saw the real reality of reincarnation
purely by looking at the tangible evidence. One of the

(07:27):
people that I quote in the reveal is a man
called Ian Stevenson who was born in the early part
of the twentieth century and had died in two thousand
and seven, and he was a psychiatrist. He was an
American Canadian psychiatrist. And he started coming across really small
kids who were remembering what they said were previous lives

(07:53):
in this reality in fine detail, I mean ridiculous detail.
And so he started checking some of them out just
out of interest and tried to debunk them h and
he couldn't. He realized that he could go to these

(08:15):
places often were a long long way away from the
where the child lived. Uh, and he could support what
they were saying with with evidence, often with people still
alive today. And I remember one he he because he

(08:36):
did thousands of these things. Thousands he didn't just you
know one or two. There was one he was a
little kid who claimed that in a far away place
that he lived there. And so he and he described
the house. So they go to the They go to
the house. Eventually they track down the people in it,

(08:57):
and he claims that the woman in the head else
was was his wife. At one point the you know,
the guys, the woman's husband had died and so the
and he said lots of things that were obviously true,
but what they said to him was, look, when so

(09:19):
and so died, you claim to be Basically, we couldn't
find his will. Where is it? And the kid walks
across to a floorboard I think it was in the kitchen,
and he said, it's under there, and they got the
floorboard up and there was the bloody will. Right. So

(09:40):
you see loads and loads of these stories, and what
Ian Stevenson did was was forensically researched them. So I've
come to the conclusion quite a while ago that reincarnation
was real. What I didn't buy, and this is what
I go into in the book, in a significant part

(10:01):
of the book anyway, it covers many subjects, interconnected subjects,
is that it's to learn lessons to evolve. I didn't
buy that at all. So what's going on? And what
I've I came across in the writing of them were

(10:23):
people who had near death experiences. But my goodness me,
I've read and watched so many accounts of near death
experiences when the body ceases to function and they find
themselves in a different reality. I've done it for years
and years and years because I want to, you know,

(10:45):
I'm looking for the common themes, and they are endless
the common themes. And just as an aside, why is
it that when the body ceases to function that these
people suddenly experience a different reality, a completely different reality

(11:07):
to this one, and one that obviously operates with a
very different law of physiques as we call them anyway,
And it's because this is decoding this reality. It's decoding
this level. There are other levels we can we just
kind of come to of this simulation, this matrix. And

(11:31):
so as soon as soon and we are experiencing conscious
in our consciousness. What that is feeding us? What this
is feeding us? Just as if I'm looking at this
computer now and I said to people, tell me about
the Internet, they would say, well, it's graphics and it's

(11:55):
videos and it's words on the screen. Well, yes it is,
but that's the only place the Internet exists in that form.
Everywhere else it's Wi Fi field information encoded in radiation
fields and electronic circuits and so on. The only place
it exists is on the screen. And then you think, well,

(12:16):
where is that happening that we are observing. It's happening
inside the computer. It's not over here or over here.
It's inside the computer. That's where all the decoding is
going on. And so as I started to research in
menstream science version of how we manifest reality, how we

(12:42):
experience reality, you start to realize that actually the five
senses which lock us into this stimulation are picking up wavefield,
waveform frequency information. They turn that into electrical information which
is communicating to the brain, which then forms it into

(13:05):
a reality that we experience, actually a digital holographic reality,
alusory physical reality of all we experienced it like that
that appears to be outside of us. Granted it does,
but actually is going on inside of us, just as
this is going on inside inside the computer. And so

(13:25):
once that the body computer ceases to decode this reality
because it ceased to function, it's died, then immediately your
consciousness is released from that focus of attention that the
body gives you, and you're in another reality.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
And so my question then was, you know, as I
said earlier, you know, you see all these people all
over the world, these billions of people who are having
a terrible time, often suffering in extraordinary ways, and definitely
kind of backling to survive another day. And like I say,

(14:06):
I could understand how someone could get pulled in and
trapped to this reality. They ort to add am An Eave's
story for life symbolically. But why would you come back?
Why the hell would you come back?

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
So I started really researching that for the three books,
but particularly this one, and I came across some extraordinary
people with extraordinary stories to tell about how this is
a trap. It's a perceptual trap, not just to entrap

(14:44):
you in this level of the simulation, a really dense,
energetic level. This is which I'll come to as we
go on later, but also to entrap you in another
level of the matrix, which is different to this one,
but is perceived to be the after life of the

(15:04):
spirit world. And this Buddhist concept of the wheel of Samsara,
where you move between this level and that other level
to learn lessons to evolve. That I think is is
the track and I'd like about that and how we

(15:26):
can get the hell out of it.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
That is fascinating. Now this opens up many doors that
we can explore. First, I want to tie back. You
mentioned the shadow people, the unseen controllers to reincarnation, and
there's many that speculate that these powerful controllers of our
reality have mastered reincarnation in a sense that they can

(15:49):
come back into the same amount of power that they
left when they died, the same bloodlines, the same families,
and they have control over their reincarnation cycle because they
have agreements with the arconic forces controlling this matrix.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well, what's interesting? You just go on to say what
I was just indicate. A few minutes ago I came
across people who could remember the incarnation process. Now what

(16:29):
happens and Stevenson found this in his reincarnation research. Kids
usually remember these things, I mean in most own of course,
but because you're not meant to. And we'll get to
why that is in a minute. But by the age
of seven these memories start to fade. Some keep them

(16:52):
into adulthood, but there are many, many, fewer of those
than their children who have fast lab memories before in
the early years. But there are some that actually remember,
and I think they're genuine, not least because they tell
the same story of the incarnation process. And you know

(17:15):
what's fascinating, is it? What they describe is not some
spiritual kind of out there world. It's very technological and
one of the things that i've but it's a technological
on another frequency level, another frequency band. Because of course

(17:36):
we can hardly see anything. You know, people say, well,
why can't we see these hidden controllers because you can
hardly see anything. And I don't think that's an action.
I don't think that's an accent at all. I think
that's by design. I mean, if we had a much
wider visual range that we could see, then we'd see
if these police controllers. We go, oh, you're doing it then,

(17:57):
so we're in this ridiculously narrow band and a visual
frequency and other frequencies too. So one of the things
that is so common in the people that remember their
incarnation process is when they enter this reality, it's it's

(18:18):
just du tendously dense compared with what people call the
astral dimension. That this is basically this, this other level
of the simulation, this this spirit world as it's perceived.
The infinity is beyond it. That's what they're trying to
stop us getting it back to because they you know,

(18:41):
if you if you came into this world once and
then it could get out of it. I mean, they'd
soon run out of consciousness to manipulate. And there's a
reason why they have to keep us here, which again
I'm sure we'll get into as we go along. And
so they describe coming into this reality and they're going lower, lower, lower,

(19:06):
as one of them said, lower, lower, lower, in terms
of frequency and density to the point where it's almost
hard to function. So that that's a big one in
terms of understanding why this world is even on that level,
and also too for people to be kind to themselves,

(19:27):
you know, you know, we constantly judge other people and
we constantly self judgmental. But hey, Lends and Chaman, we
are in an incredibly extreme density, which makes it it's
like walking through treacle. So let's be kind to ourselves.

(19:49):
You know, if you if you can awaken to some
kind of perception beyond the beyond the human world while
in this state of extreme density that's all around you,
this this field you're walking through and or appear to
be walking through, then you know, that's that's it really

(20:11):
is a fantastic achievement. And the other thing is that
there is this theme and it's not just with people
that can remember their incarnation process. It's also with many, many,
and many many of these millions now near death experiences.
It's that when you enter this reality, you go through

(20:34):
some kind of electromagnetic net or field which wipes your memory.
So when you come in I mean, obviously it doesn't
completely wipe everyone, so they would remember previous lives as
these and these kids do mostly for the age of seven.
But it wipes the memory and so in some cases

(20:59):
the people can remember their incarnation. It don't work in
the way that it should. But so that this explains
a lot, it explains why it's called the mind wipe.
I call it the mind wipe. Any explains why we
don't remember what's gone on before, and therefore we start

(21:19):
with a blank sheet of paper, and what does that mean?
We're like, who am I? Where am I? What is
this place? But the other the other end fascinated me
right about this in the book as well. It's when
you leave the body, when the body ceased to function,
and when you when you listen and you you read

(21:41):
all these different near death experience accounts. Invariably, when they
leave the body, or actually the body leaves them, they.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Say, ah, it was amazing. I never felt anything like
it before. I'd never experienced anything like it before. And
you go, well, do you be even reincarnation? Oh yeah,
well why don't you remember it then?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Why you obviously experienced it a lot of times before?
And this mind wipe it starts when you come in
and it continues until you get back under shall we say,
astral control of this same arcontic force that's to go
back on the wheel of sam Sara to come back in.

(22:31):
And you know, I'll tell you what's fascinating when you
passionately look at the two levels of how similar they are.
You know, the astral level of the simulation is it's
a very different frequency, heck of a lot dense, less

(22:52):
dense frequency. And therefore, of course, if you're comparing your
experience in this extreme of density and then you leave
it what we what we call matter or that is
more about that, then your comparison with what happens outside
the body is it must be heaven because this is fantastic.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
And so.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
You are then pulled into this idea that you have
to keep coming back to learn lessons to evolve and
have this thing called calma, or you've got karma and
playback and all this stuff goes on. And but but what's, like,
I say, what's fascinating is how similar these two levels
are in the way that they operate and that they're

(23:39):
dynamic because if you if you look at in the
human world, people are overwhelmingly they're looking to authority to
tell them what to what to think, how things are.
All this is a scientists know what he's talking about.
Oh well doctor, thank you doctor, and all this stuff.

(24:00):
It's all these experts and authorities that people look to
because they're just little me. I've got no power doing
I've got a little to other people, right, and those
other people just just say, Okay, thank you very much.
I've got power over you. And it's like politics, you know,
what's happening every election is vast, vast numbers of people

(24:23):
in different countries are saying to one person or or
one small group of people, at least, here's my power.
You know, you do it for me for the next
four or five years or so, because you know I've
got no power. I mean, what can I do? And
then when when people leave the body and they go
into this other realm, exactly the same dynamic is in

(24:47):
place because what people describe, and I'm talking all of them,
virtually all of them, is that they are met by
spirit guides or religious heroes. You know, if you're of
this religion, you'll see this religious hero, if you're the
this this religion, does see another religious era. And I

(25:07):
explained the book how that's possible, because they're not religious heroes.
They're projections and and and how you know they'll they'll
they'll see elders, and elders judge them. And one of
the massive common themes of near death experiences is that
is the life review where these elders, these wise old men, uh.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
They.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
They project your life and you you watch your life
go through very very quickly, and then they discuss all
lessons to learn all this stuff and how those projections
can happen, those life projections can happen, and how that
that information can be held, stored and then delivered is

(25:58):
also in the in the book, because we were we
are in a reality that is so much more advanced
in terms of technological possibility than ever we just even
begin to understand what we call AI in this cutting
edge technology, it's the Stone Age compared with actually what's possible.

(26:23):
And so you you then return to to experience something
else to pay back, get karma or whatever, and it
goes on. And because what happens Hold on a minute,
You're coming into this place of extreme density, Well, you're

(26:45):
obviously going to do things you'd rather in another state
of awareness not do. So you're not paying off your karma.
I go into the book like karma, you're actually adding
to it. So there's more lessons to learn now. And
it's just an incredibly kind of endless cycle that that

(27:09):
that that goes on. And so what what I'm I'm
also saying in the book is just as we have
this this human body, this biological computer, which is our
vehicle to experience this density, because our consciousness is vibrating

(27:31):
way beyond this density. So if we're going to interact
with this world, we have to have an outer shell
through which to do it, which is in within the
frequency band of the of the world we want to
experience with in and and interact with in. So when
you leave the body and you're going into this astral level,

(27:53):
this spirit world, you also need an outer shell that
can interact with that. And that's what I say anyway,
that's what people call the soul, and I say that
there's something beyond that, the true self is beyond that.
I give it the name Spirit is a state of awareness.

(28:18):
That we are pure awareness. That's what we are. Nobody,
no form, we have, just awareness, and we take on
these energetic vehicles if you like, to interact with certain
frequencies that our consciousness couldn't directly interact with. But actually
what we are is we are a state of awareness.

(28:42):
And once you start identifying that with that rather than
the labels of a human life, for instance, then your
frequency starts to reflect more and more that level that
you're now self identify fine, and that takes you out
of the whole damn thing. I say anyway, it takes

(29:07):
you out of the whole, all the different levels of
the simulation and back into the realm of infinity. So
what the that which is behind all this? The Gnostics
called that force, the older bay Off or demi urgent archons,
that is constantly trying to keep you in a state

(29:31):
of perception that will hold you within the frequency walls
of the simulation, so you don't get out because you're
not even aware that there is something to get out of,
because you think this is how it is, especially in
the astral where you're seeing you're seeing the thing at
another level, but you're still within the simulation.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Do you think that there are powerful bloodlines and humans
on this planet that are rewarded by these arconic forces
like I was saying earlier, and able to reincarnate into
a level of power that they still have control over
the rest of humanity.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, that's a great point, and I would say that
spawn because what's happened over this thirty five years is
that all these different levels of the what I call
the conspiracy of human enslavement, they all fit. They're all
expressions of the same thing. So, for instance, I in

(30:37):
the early nineties I started putting together the network that
manipulates human society within the frequency band of human society.
I call it the Global Cult. The Global Cult is
a network of secret societies which is fiercely compartmentalized. Even

(30:59):
most of the people in the sea of societies don't
know the real big deal is that really in a
core stuff that is it's not the other you know,
the need to know technique of the CIA and such agencies.
And what the Global Cult is doing is holding advanced
knowledge a about where humanity is being taken and why,

(31:21):
but also advanced knowledge about the nature of reality. And
it's held at the inner core, but it's passed over
through the generations. So you know, you can get people
like older Suxley that was talking about technology in nineteen
thirty two that's now only just coming online. It's because
they have a completely different level of awareness, a technological awareness,

(31:46):
and never mind anything else that they can put into
novels that appear to be sci fi, but actually they
know the stuff exists, or at least it is possible.
And what this Global Cult was done is set up
the sources of information communication for the for the target population.

(32:09):
So for instance, the Rockefeller family, which is massively part
of this cult, being a core of it anyway, is
behind or was behind the creation of the education system
in America. The biggest, one of the biggest private funders
of American education today what we call education, is Bill Gates,

(32:31):
who's a Rockefeller gopher. The Rockefeller's created the World Health
Organization and it's funded today. The biggest private funder is
Bill Gates, a Rockefeller gopher, you see how it works.
And Ted Ross, the Secretary General of the of the
World Health Organization, is an appointee by by Gates in effect,

(32:54):
which which means is an appointee by the Rockefeller So
he does whatever he's told. That that's how all this
stuff came about in COVID and what have you. So
you have the sources of communication, so it's not just
the education system of course, that was created by this network.
So that from the earliest age right into the teenage years,

(33:17):
you can download or upload to your target young people
the perception of reality and self you wanted to believe
they control through funding what we call science mainstream science.
So mainstream science is completely myopic in terms of the

(33:38):
reality that it claims to be researching. You have cutting
edge scientists, many of which I quote in the book,
who can see beyond that, but they don't get the
funding that they get marginalized. They can't get into the
scientific journals even though they have evidence to support what
they're saying. And but it's also the fact the course

(34:01):
that this network, this cult, has owned the mainstream media,
So wherever you look, your sources of information are basically
coming from the same source. And they're designed to hold
you in myopia, not just of understanding reality and the
forces really behind human society, but crucially to control your

(34:25):
self identity. They want you in two states of identity.
One the ideal one is that you are just a
body and you're just the labels of a human life,
and that's all you are. That's what they want you
to believe, ideally. But of course you know they can't

(34:48):
keep everyone like that, and so they've invented something called religion.
And religion says you have a soul, and that's okay
from their point of view, because as I said, my
contention is the soul is how we experience the It's
an energetic field through which we experience, the astral, the
so called spirit world, the arfter life, the fake offt

(35:13):
and so that you know, they they're they're fine with that.
So you've got this this dynamic where very advanced information
has passed on through this cult through the generation, while
the population is kept in ignorance systematically of what they know.
And so when you have these these bloodlines and these

(35:39):
these these families which kind of you know, go through
this intergenerational cult network, what you what you what you
have is people who because what happened is that when
I'd established in my mind that this colt existed, my

(36:03):
next question was when did it start? And you go back,
you go back, you go back, you get you get
into ancient times, you know, Babylon and ancient Egypt and
all that stuff, and the creation of Rome and all
that business and the Vatican. But then you you asked
the question, well, so people have been coming in playing

(36:29):
a part in advancing this agenda, and how has the
advancement worked. It's worked through the incessant centralization of power.
So you had a tribal situation once where people in
the tribe decided what this tribe is going to do,
and often they had a chief that decided for him.
But then you had this point where lots of tribes

(36:52):
were brought together under what were called nations, and now
a few people at the center of all those tribes
and now dictating to all those tribes collectively. And then
you have organizations like the European Union, Bricks and all
these other trading groups which are amalgamations of nations. So

(37:15):
now a few people look at the European Union, goodness met,
a few people at the center of the nation are
now dictating. Most of them are elected, the key ones
are elected to all those previous nations who were deciding
to run fate at one point, who were made up
of tribes who were deciding the run fate at one point.
So this if you're if you're going to if you

(37:36):
are a few and you're going to control them any
you have to centralize decision making the only way you
can do so. So this this centralization which has been
the result of people coming in having a life, not
a very long life in the in the in some eras,

(37:59):
and then going down out born, die, born, and die,
and then others will come in born, die, born, die,
and and it's it's pushed it on and pushed it on.
And one question that comes to mind, or came to
mind for me anyway, is why would those people this
is long ago, now, why would those people come in

(38:20):
and play a part in advancing an agenda that they
were never going to see the end of.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
Right, But then you realize they are just the kid
coming in, because you know a lot a lot of
the key players in this conspiracy, in this cold they
are arcons.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
They are they are an arcontic energy. They are on
a contact mind. And one of the things I've learned
many in various ways over the years is that what
this arcontic mind doesn't have is an ability to experience
empathy or can assion. It's like they are literally like

(39:02):
computer programs. And so you know so many people in
the population who do have the capacity for empathy and capassion.
When you say this is what they're doing, oh you'll
know this, You'll have experienced all of this. When you
say what they're doing, they say they'd never do that. No,

(39:23):
one would never do that. No, No, you would never
do that. They would do it because they have computer
programs the equivalent of pressing enter. They don't have this
capacity to build experience in a way that they can
put themselves in what the others are experiencing two to them.

(39:44):
This mentality, this arcontic mentality, which is the major players
in this global cult within the human world. The dynamic
is basically like humans and farm animals. They have no
empathy at all. I mean, you look at Bill Gates,

(40:05):
who's classic example of what I'm talking about, and Klaus Schwars.
They have no empathy. They don't make things happen like
COVID and the fake JAB and all this stuff, and
they'll put all this vaccinations into kids, which sterilize them
in Africa. I mean, you can't do that if you

(40:27):
have empathy. They don't. And once you grasp that, you
then start to understand the dynamic between that which is
manipulat in humans society and human society and the population
in general. So these It's another area that I talk

(40:48):
about in the book and which really made many pennies drop,
and that was in the kind of early mid nineties.
I started to realize that these key players in this
cold were taking part in Satanic ritual and they were

(41:10):
literally sacrificing people, often children. This is where you get
in the ancient world sacrificing young virgins to the gods.
And I started to realize that, actually what because first
of all, you go, you know these people you see
on the news, they're sacrificing people. What, well, you've got

(41:31):
no empathy, You've going to I mean, anyone with empathy
is not going to do that, are they? They can't.
It's impossible. You can't do it because your empathy stopship.
They have no empathy. Therefore they do anything. There's no limits,
there's no fail safe mechanism. I mean I called empathy
the fail safe mechanism of human behavior. And if you

(41:51):
don't have it, well anything goes. So I started or thinking, well,
hold on the ancients Useter sac provis people. They should
do it openly all over the world. And you go,
so how does that connect? And when you realize is
the quote gods that they were sacrificing too in the

(42:15):
ancient world openly where the astral gods, the astral are
counting gods, that these people are still doing it too.
So the next question is, Okay, what do the gods
get out of this? Then what's the what's the reason
for it? Because the gods obviously get something out of

(42:37):
it because it's an offering to the gods. And then
massive pennies dral in why this simulation exists at all?
Uh and and why the world is it is? So
I started to see it's a long time ago now,

(43:02):
but more and more evidence comes with the ears that
these entities are feeding of low vibrational human energy. Mainstream
science is long known now that every time we feel emotional,
every time we think, we're generating a frequency. Now, because

(43:26):
these frequencies are happening actually in the astral dimension, we
can't see them. We see the body language of emotional states,
but we don't see the emotional frequencies coming off, although
we can feel them. All got bad vibes from him
or whatever, And so you realize that what they're doing

(43:46):
is feeding off human energy, but it's a particular frequency
of human energy which relates to low vibrational emotion and
thought all around the key emotional key response of fear.
It's fear, it's resentment, it's anxiety, it's depression, it's violence,

(44:12):
it's conflict of all kinds. These are the energies that
they're feeding off, which means that within this simulation they
have created and are manipulating. They have no interest whatsoever
in things like love and joy and happiness and peace.

(44:35):
They have no interest in that. It's not a frequency
that they want. They want the low vibrational frequencies.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Why.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Because they're in a low vibrational state. That's why they
do what they do. And you can only absorb what
you can connect with. And so when you see all
these wars and world wars and conflicts and all the
things that make people fearful and worry and anxious, it's
all generating what has become known among people that have

(45:03):
researched this as luche the collective work with this low
vibrational energy. And there was a guy called Robert Munroe
who popularized what's called a out of body experience, for
if people haven't come across this, you have a near
death experience. That's when the body ceases to function and

(45:27):
consciousness is therefore released from this focus of attention, because
that's all death is, it's a transfer of your focus
of attention. But an outer body experience is the ability
to project into this astral dimension while you're still alive,
where your body stopped working. And he popularized that, and

(45:48):
he did a hell of a lot of it, to
the point where he was approached by the CIA. This
is well documented now in something called the Gateway Process.
And the Gateway Process was a study which brought together

(46:11):
people who had this ability to project their awareness into
a mean conscious awareness, into this astral dimension, and the
study was what did they experience? And funnily enough, as
to one of the military people involved, it was quoted

(46:33):
as saying later, is that these experiences, out of body experiences,
experienced or saw so many reptilian entities in the astral dimension,
which is why where I say they are that they
gave them a collective name of the alligators in the

(46:54):
Gateway study. And what Robert Munroe's said is that he
learned in his astral projections that these entities were feeding
off human low vibrational energy, as I would call it.
And what I found fascinating is that I'd concluded all

(47:16):
that before I came across the Monroe work, the Monroe
information about all this. So it was not a oh,
he said that, so it must be true. It was
actually just another confirmation, a major one of what I'd
already realized. And that starts to put in perspective why

(47:38):
this human sacrifice spans the to the gods, spans this
whole period of human history. It's because what the sacrifice
rituals are doing is creating such terror in the victim
that they are generating very powerful low vibration or energy,

(48:03):
which is what terror is and trauma is. That's why
they're as much trauma as possible. And these entities are
feeding off that energy. Like I say, this energy, you
can't see it. You can see the body language that
comes from it, but you can't see it because it's
going into into this astral dimension and these entities are

(48:25):
feeding of it. And the Satanists in human form are
drinking the blood of the sacrifice. Horrible that this is
how it works, because this terror, which has an energetic expression,
also has a chemical expression. It infuses or infuses adrenaline

(48:51):
into the blood, which these these sick people drink to
and it's like a drug to them. And so so
of course the ancience did it openly, and then it
became completely unacceptable as humanity reached some kind of level
of maturity, and now they do it secretly, do it

(49:12):
secretly ever since, and we're talking about I mean, you know,
in previous books I've talked about how the British royal
family are massively voted.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, for the last few minutes we have, I'd like
to touch on something that you mentioned earlier, possibility of
a way out. When I look back at the events
that have unfolded since twenty twenty, it seems to me
that there have been a lot of awakened soul since then,

(49:41):
and I wonder if there would be this many awakened
people if the events didn't unfold as the way they have.
And I also wonder if there is a greater force
outside of this arconic force that may be assisting humanity
in any way.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I'd love to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. But you see people say,
they said to me over the years, when's the cavalry coming.
But the cavalry is the cavalry because it's in a
high frequency state, and if it comes into a low
frequency state, it will probably be working in a call

(50:20):
center or driving a bus or whatever the different people
jobs are, because it will be caught in the low
vibrational illusion. So we have to play our part in
breaking out of the perception of the what I call

(50:44):
the dream in my previous book an induced dream and
see it for what it is, because you know, if
you have a dream and the dream seems real, it
has obviously a massive emotional and mental impact upon you.

(51:05):
You can wake up in the middle of the night
kind of screaming or in a hot sweat because of
the dream you thought was real. But then you have
what are called lucid dreams, and I have a lot
of them. When you know you're in a dream, You're
aware that you're in a dream, and instead of being
in the dream, you're observing the dream, and they do

(51:29):
not impact upon you emotionally and mentally because you are
the observer. And that when you are caught in this
belief that all this is real, you have a myopia
of perception that holds you in the five sense realm

(51:53):
pretty much alone. And then you are in the world.
You're in the matrix, and you were of the matrix,
and that's when you self identify with being a human
and all the labels of a human life. What I'm

(52:14):
saying is we're not human, we're consciousness, ultimately infinite awareness,
having a brief human experience through a vehicle within this
tiny band of frequencies and when you start to redefine
your self identity from I am a human, I am

(52:37):
my name, my life, story, etc. My religion, my culture.
It doesn't mean you can't experience those. It doesn't mean
you kind of enjoy those. It means you're aware of
what they are, so you're not caught in the dream.
You're observing the dream in some parts of the dream
might be very nice. I'm enjoying this, but should not

(53:00):
caught in it. And the more that you expand your
self identity to more and more that you are consciousness,
you are a state of awareness. You you will start
first of all, to reconnect with what's called your soul,

(53:21):
this astral level of you. You'll start to connect with that.
Now that that will start to impact on you because
you'll start.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
To have.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
A much wider sense of reality. But it's still within
the matrix. When you get into those levels of self identity,
not conceptually, but you, you are them, you live them
of I am spirit, i am just a state of awareness.

(53:52):
I'm not a soul, I'm not a body. I'm just
a state of awareness. Then you're the frequency you're generating.
The frequency you're vibrating on takes you out of the matrix.
It takes you, takes you beyond the matrix because you know,
I don't know if you come across this, this esoteric concept,
and you find it in different forms in many ancient

(54:13):
cultures of the ring past, not where it's perceived to
be a point, a level where you can't go beyond
unless you are in a certain state of enlightenment. And
for enlightenment I would say read aware of your true self,

(54:37):
of your true eye, of your infinite eye. And it's
interesting that the Buddhists have this concept of the wheel samsara,
and they say that you have to keep learning lessons
to reach a state of enlightenment i e. Frequency perception,
that you can leave the cycle. And what they're describing

(54:59):
I say erroneously in terms of you've got to learn
lessons to get out of here. Now you've got to
become aware to get out of here. And often the
lessons take you deeper into it. You reach a state
of self awareness whereby the matrix can't hold you anymore
because you are a completely different frequency. It's like you know,

(55:21):
two radio stations you're just one can't hold you in
here anymore. But if you are kept and This is
the whole basis of the conspiracy, both in the astral
and in the human world. It's to hold you in
a state of the perception, a state of self identity,
which will keep you within the frequency walls of the matrix.

(55:42):
Because although the frequency walls of the human world are
incredibly dense and incredibly low in the astral world, still
in the matrix they're much much higher. And as you
go up through the astral they get higher and higher.
So you know, it's it's it's this real self awareness

(56:05):
of what you are beyond all these.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Could it be that collective awareness enough of it may
essentially break the matrix.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Again. Because I'll tell you what I've learned over this
thirty five years is that we absolutely must not fall
for the fact that this force these entities in the end,
that they're a very schismatic, inverted state of consciousness is

(56:41):
why the world's inverted. It reflects them. They are not
all powerful. They're not they're not They're idiots. You know,
you've got to be an idiot to want to do
what they're doing. And it's not that we depend on them,
they depend on us. They have to they have to

(57:01):
manipulate us into low vibrational states. Otherwise lunch is canceled, right,
their their energetic source is canceled because they have to
feed off our energy for reasons I go into in
the books in some detail. But so therefore they have

(57:24):
to keep us in a lower level of they have
the dumbers down into a lower level of awareness about
everything than they'rein. It's it's literally, it's literally a case
of in the Kingdom of the blind, the one eyed
man is king. Very appropriate given one of the great

(57:45):
symbols of this cult is a one eye, single eye
you see on the the dollar bill and the reverse
of the Great Seal of the United States. That's that,
that all seeing eye. That that's the that's the level
they are. But they have to not keep us one eye.
They have to keep us blind symbolically in terms of knowledge.

(58:09):
But when we become the two eyed, third eyed infinite
being that we are, or at least we start to
move into that, suddenly the dynamic changes and we see
where the real power is. You see, if you look
at things like tyranny, tyranny is not brought in by tyrants,

(58:34):
there's never enough of them. Tyranny is brought in by
the acquiescence of the population to tyranny and tyrants. That's
how it's done. It's acquiescence that creates tyranny, not the
tyrants themselves because haven't got the power to do it.
It's not enough of them. And that dynamic you can
see throughout the throughout the simulation. And that's why they

(58:56):
have to keep us divided. That's why they have to
divide and rule. That's why they have to keep or
create all these different group things that they can play
off against each other, different religions, different political persuasions and parties.
They have to do that. And you know, I've I've
had a lot of a lot of abuse. I don't care,

(59:19):
but I've had a lot of abuse in the last
year two years for calling out the alternative media, which
I say has been hijacked especially and what this is
what I suggest has happened. And I do write about
this in detail in parts of the book and how
it all works and why. But when COVID happened, and

(59:44):
you rightly have acknowledged that here there wasn't awaken. Now.
I saw a lovely quote recently which talked about how
you don't awaken you have a series of awaken things.
And so you awakened, say, first to the fact that

(01:00:05):
the people that are basically it's like my awakening if
I think about it, sitting near you awaken to the
fact that there are forces at work that are running society,
directing society that are not actually the ones you think
are doing it. They're behind the ones you think are
doing okay, and then you have another awakening, another awakening,

(01:00:26):
another wakening, and then eventually you go into all this
nature of reality, nature of self identity and all that stuff.
So once that process began, and it began with so
many people with COVID, because I said at the time
when COVID started in around January February of twenty twenty,

(01:00:50):
these people have just entered the room because people like
me before that were uncovering and in the early day
money you were uncovering something that was operating in perceptual
terms of the population below the radar. And so it

(01:01:12):
was all like, oh no, it's not happy. There's conspiracy
theory and all that stuff. And then with COVID, it
entered the room, it entered the radar. My god, what's happening,
And that trigger had to happen because, as I said
long long time ago, there's gonna come a point, and

(01:01:33):
Covid was it, where if you're going to transform society
in a way you want it transformed, you've got to
at some point break the surface where you are transforming
society in a way that people are seeing it. It's
not under the radar anymore. Because if you don't reach
that point, you're not going to transform society. You're always

(01:01:56):
going to be, you know, under the radar, and society
it's not going to changing the way that you wanted to.
So there has to come a point where people look
around and say, what's happening. What's happening? Covid was it.
And so the genie was leaving the bottle, and so
many people, especially with hindsight, with the job and its

(01:02:18):
effect in a could see that actually, the world's not
like I thought it was. That putting the genie back
in the bottle was completely was pretty much a hopeless case.
It wasn't going to happen for lots of people. So
what you do is you make sure the genie doesn't
get out anymore. And so these all these different people

(01:02:41):
have come in and if you look at it, overwhelmingly
from the mainstream before and nearly all of them completely
bought the covid oaks. They've come in to the alternative media,
and what they've done is create a barrier around basically
politics and religion and finance to an extent. And they

(01:03:04):
keep telling you this, this is the conspiracy. Never mind
all that. Listen, that guy, he's completely bonkers.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
He is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
We aren't going to talk to him. Just it's Trump
or Harris. That's that's the level of the conspiracy. And
of course Trump's the good guy and Harris is the
bad I think I think that they're both. They're both
mirrors of each other personally, but they're just a different
a different direction to manipulate the people. But the point

(01:03:35):
is that this what I call hijack of the alternative media,
and and Musk is big time part of this is
has held the line, if you like, and that line
must be broken because I have enormous respect. I mean,
you know, people like you, You're a good example of it.
But I have enormous respect for this this great swathe

(01:03:58):
of people outside of the barrier in the alternative media
who are open to these great visions of what's going on.
But they are not the ones that get the massive
algorithmic support, not least through Twitter X. They don't get
the financial support that that that they get. There are

(01:04:21):
certain people who are who have come in and they
are dominated the narrative, and the narrative is a little
bit wider than the mainstream narrative, but it's still within
the barricade. And for me, we need the free flow

(01:04:43):
of information. I'll give you an example. I know what
points I would make is there are some people that
have come into the alternative media who are knowingly manipulated,
but they are the very few. If you want to

(01:05:06):
hold the line, then what you do is you find
the people who have limited knowledge of the big picture,
who are focused on what you want to be focused upon,
like politics, et cetera, religion, and you promote the hell
out of them. You give them massive audiences, you give

(01:05:28):
them massive algorithmics support. I mean, I'm shadowed band like
crazy on Twitter axis. It's laughing now, and you you
let them do what they think. They think it's right. Oh,
this is the conspiracy. They don't realize. It's a fraction
of it. It's just an expression of it. It's not it.

(01:05:49):
And so if you look at Soccer Coulson. Soccer Coulson,
I used to watch a show every morning when I
got up about five or six o'clock in the morning,
I'd watch a show on YouTube with Fox News. Not
because he got the big picture, he didn't, but he
was further ahead of the rest of the mainstream television media,

(01:06:15):
et cetera in America, And so he was he was
doing interviews and calling things out that were not happening elsewhere. Right.
So one of the things that these people are absolutely brilliant. Now,
I mean they may be idiots, but they're very clever

(01:06:37):
in the in this area particularly, they know how to
manipulate human perception, and they can very very well predict
that if you give people trigger a they will react
like this. So this is why I was to people,

(01:07:01):
we've got to get out of black and white thinking,
and we've got to see the nuances and we've got
to see the subtleties of perceptual manipulation, because that's the
level it really operates at. Yeah, they want you to
see things in black and white because the truth is
always in the same shades are great. And so when

(01:07:22):
Tucker Carlson was fired by Murdox operation. Fox News people
said black and white, he's been fired because he's gone
too far. Well, he didn't actually go very far, but
he went further than anyone else's way. I was interested.
But hold on a minute, do you not think that

(01:07:46):
those who were behind his firing knew what the outcome
was going to be. Soon as he was fired by Fox,
he was going to become an alternative media hero. He
was going to get vast audiences, which is exactly what happened.
I mean, Musk had got Twitter x by by then,

(01:08:09):
so we had an immediate, massively great audience than that
he had on Fox too, to broadcast too. And you know,
so the focus of attention. I mean, you know, of course,
Tucker Carson has got closer and closer to the Trump people,

(01:08:29):
and all these people that have come in are basically
in the Trump dynamic, including Elon Musk. And you know, again,
if people don't ask or see the subtleties or ask
the key questions, like I've been tracking Elon Musk for

(01:08:54):
bloody hell so long before he bought Twitter X. And
when he bought Twitter X or quote he did, a
lot of people did. And does he really control it?
Now I don't think he does it all, but anyways
a great frontman for it. He has been running through
his companies like Neuralink and SpaceX and Tesla with the

(01:09:16):
climate change stuff, a wish list of this cult how
it wants to transform society. He's called for a carbon
tax is, he's said that there needs to be a
guaranteed basic income. All the things off the wish list
he's basically calling for. And before he bought twitter x,

(01:09:40):
there were members of the alternative media. There still are
outside the barricade, but there were people that were calling
him out and saying, hold on, this is you're taking
as to transhumanism what you're doing. But once he bought
twitter x, finish no more, so he could do no wrong.
And so he's gone on doing the same things, like

(01:10:02):
putting all these low orbit satellites up, but firing electromagnetic
fields at the Earth five and sixty seventy to come
without this mainstream of the alternative media calling him out
because he's suddenly a hero. And it was absolutely no surprise.
I'd tell you to me that there came a point

(01:10:23):
where suddenly, just a few weeks ago now he went
full in on the Trump, the Trump dynamic, the Trump Arena,
which he's gone big time on now. He's a friend
of Peter Teal. Peter Teel is a guy who started

(01:10:43):
a company called Palanteer which provides technology to the Pentagon
and the intelligence community, not just in britainy in America either.
And Peter tel was the first outside investor in Facebook,
behind PayPal and the PayPal mafia, which included a Musk.

(01:11:05):
And Peter Tiel is a business associate and political funder
of JD. Vans, who is now the running mate of Trump.
And when they were talking a few weeks ago now
about the possibilities of who Trump would select. As soon
as I saw the name JD. Vans, I thought it

(01:11:25):
was going to be in. And you have this network,
this Silicon Valley surveillance AI network that is all moving
in on this Trump arena because you have two basic

(01:11:45):
mentalities again we come back to perceptual manipulation. You have
two basic mentalities. You have the woke mentality, which you
find on what used to be called the left. It's
the fate left now and and and they'll basically go
along with the whole agenda. I mean, you know, I
go into in the book and the other books how

(01:12:07):
this whole woke agender, how it came about, and how
it's serving the cult where he wants to take society.
But you have another group, which are basically in America
Trump supporters, who don't want that. They don't want that,
they're very much against it. And a lot of these

(01:12:29):
people that came into the alternative media and people like
Peter Teel, they fund Rumble and what have you and
and and such like. And he was, by the way,
Peter Teel a Palenteer surveillance technology. He's on the steering
committee of the Builderberg Group. Uh and and and his

(01:12:50):
co founder of Pallenteer. He's also the steering committee of
the Builderberg Group. This is a quote globalist or organization
that's pushing the agenda, the same kind of agenda that
the World Economic Forum is pushing and the cult in
general of which they're apart is pushing. So one of

(01:13:13):
these why are these people wanting to get involved in
with with all this? There's there's Trump Arena, And of
course jd. Vance is a big venture capitalist in the
area of AI and technology. Uh and, so you have
to two things. You have the hard cell of AI control,

(01:13:37):
including the connection to the human brain of AI, which
is happening now by the way, people, I realize it
is and and and and and that comes through Swab
and Gates and all these people. These these very obvious
cooperatives to anyone's paying attention. But you have a whole

(01:14:00):
arena of people, tens of millions in America alone who
don't want so you have to give them the soft sell.
You have to sell the same agenda, but you have
to do it in a different way. And their frontman
to do that is he Lomask And now he's become
a hero of that arena while pushing on with the

(01:14:23):
AI agenda. And all these people from Silicon Valley, these
Silicon Valley billionaires involved in their or AI thing, they're
all moving in to support Trump, and including a guy
called Mark Andrisson who blocked me on Twitter. And I
never mentioned the bloke so but but and he blocked

(01:14:47):
me on Twitter right at the time that Jade Vance
was was was being made his running mate, and I
was calling it out and what his connections do to
Peter Teel and and he blocked me on that. I'm
blocked from by loads of people on Twitter. On the
face of it, completely different people coming from completely different directions,

(01:15:12):
Like the Tape Brothers both blocked me. Mark Anderson's blocked me. Wilders,
who is head of the biggest party in the Dutch government,
blocked me because I was calling him out on the
fact that he was a man of the people who
you know, had a great election victory and i'd at
whether you know, but Builders has overseen the imposition of

(01:15:38):
a former head of Dutch Intelligence as Prime Minister of
the Netherlands who's not elected. He's not elected, He's been
appointed by this cabal around Builders as as Prime Minister
of the Netherlands. And so all these people you call

(01:15:59):
are now because they're rauds that they kind of they
kind of block you. And what what that blocking group
kind of tell you is that there is a connection
between the Silicon Valleys AI people and the people that
are supposed to be representing the interest of people pushing
back on the elite.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yes, we have reached an incredible time and like you said,
it is a mad house. I do have hope with
the amount of souls that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Are awakening right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
I think that if we keep going like we were discussing, earlier,
there is a chance to break out of these systems because,
like you said, the forces controlling it are not all powerful.
I think it's a very important time for this information.
I want to thank you so much for keeping presenting
this information and still being the most relevant voices in

(01:16:57):
this space. It's very important right now. So David will
have to do this again. Of course, before you go,
is there any closing thoughts that you'd like to leave
the audience with?

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Only that if you start to move beyond the fake
I wrote a book years ago called Phantom Self, and
that's what I think most people are living. They're living
a fantom self. They're self identifying the eye with the body,
and it's just an experience. It's a brief experience. You
are consciousness, you are either consciousness having the experience, but

(01:17:33):
beyond that you are a state of expanded awareness, ultimately
infinite awareness. That is the true eye. And what this
cult wants you to do, and that which is behind it,
is to forget that. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Some people have called this human world the veil of forgetfulness.
Well we've discussed why that is and how that's done.
But we can remember we can. We can, and we
can become aware of what's going on in a much

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more expanded way while we're still in a human body.
We can, but we have to open our minds to it,
because one of the greatest forms of mind control is
to control people's sense of the postible, to squeeze their
sense of the possible so that they dismiss things that

(01:18:37):
are happening and dismiss things that they are because they
can't perceive that it's possible that they are happening or
they are really who you're saying they are. And so
we need people to open their minds and let consciousness
in because once you start that process, especially if you

(01:18:59):
stop in core in the hijacked alternative media focus on
politics and right wing politics essentially, then as long as
you don't fall for that, then it's a hell of
a ride where one awakening leads to another, leads to another,
and you just get more and more aware that this

(01:19:21):
is not what you led to believe. It is nothing
like one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
David, thank you so much. This was essential information. Definitely
love to talk with you again in the future and
until next time, everyone have an excellent evening. I will
have all David's links write in the description and we
will talk again tomorrow. Today, I want to welcome Zenca Caro.
She is the founder of light Nit, a collective intelligence

(01:19:48):
think tank centered around consciousness. She is a pioneer in
mind over matter consciousness research and an expert in spoon
bending and electromagnetic ham radio con tact with extraterrestrials and
past loved ones. She is passionate about blending science and
spirituality and has been working in frontier technology for over

(01:20:11):
twenty years. Zenco, welcome, How you doing good?

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Good, nice to be here. Love the name of your
news network.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Yes, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
I appreciate that, and thank you so much for coming on.
This is gonna be a fun conversation. We're going to
talk about your understandings of the powers of our minds,
as well as your own experiences with phenomenon like spoon bending.
And you also work with music and the possibilities of
extraterrestrial contact, which I can't wait to get into. But

(01:20:44):
this is a lot. Before we get into this, let
the audience know a little bit more about yourself and
what led you down your path.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Yeah, you know, I didn't know what a chakra was
I didn't have anybody in this community at all. I thought,
ET's like, no way. So it's been a you know,
me falling down the rabbit hole literally of my own
curiosity over the last four or five years. And I,

(01:21:13):
you know, I saw this guy Jack Howke's website and he,
you know, had these spoons that he'd bent and he
taught sixteen thousand people how to do this. And I
just sat there and I was like, what what? And
he literally confounded and delighted me at the same time.

(01:21:34):
And I began to do my own research. You know,
I was in tech, you know, so I'm very scientific minded,
and I just started doing research. And then I left
my other tech world behind and decided to start a
nonprofit to gather citizen science scientists together because I was

(01:21:55):
kind of I was kind of pissed that, you know,
the universities weren't funding all of this research about consciousness
and phenomenon. To me, phenomenon was so fascinating, and I thought, well,
I can do it. I don't care about my reputation,
you know, I don't have tenure, you know, and then
you've got Joe Dispenser publishing this stuff, like sorry, I

(01:22:17):
wrote this book for everyday people. I can't try to
fit into academia anymore. I mean they used to have
this expression that said science advances one funeral at a time. Yeah,
that's depressing. And so now we as citizen scientists have
just been like, Okay, we're going to do the research,
we're going to make et contact, we're gonna you know,

(01:22:39):
do all this mind ever matter research. It doesn't matter.
And now the students are kind of pushing back I
think in the universities and starting research. But whether it's
funded or not, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Right on, Well, tell us a little bit about your
experiences with spoon bending. How did you really focus laser
focus on this particular subject and what did you discover
from this?

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Well? I think, you know, it's like I just said,
you know, I thought, well, if that is possible, then
what does that mean? Because my mind is constantly searching
for how does reality work? And so it's like, you know,
so if one you can't do an exception, It's kind
of like people that are manifestors like, oh, I'm manifested that,

(01:23:31):
and then when something bad happens, they're like, oh, you know,
I you know, not taking responsibility for that. It's my fault. Whatever.
So the fact of the matter is, if you can
bend a spoon with your mind, then what implications did
that actually have on our understanding of quantum physics and

(01:23:53):
the observer effect and what does that have to do
with consciousness? So I you know, there's this organization called
the Institute for Noetic Science and Dean rated as their
chief scientists, and he wrote this book called Real Magic,
and he claims that there's three thousand scientific papers that

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are butting up against this awful elephant in the room
phenomenon that says, wait a minute, consciousness effects everything. And
you know, when I first started my research, I was
fascinated by a tipping point that could occur, and I
started researching the Mahreshi effect, which is the opposite art

(01:24:36):
of spoon bending. It's how you know, you can get
you know, the square root of one percent of the
population in coherence, which is seven thousand people, and they
can tip the entire outcome of the rest of the world.
So they did this at Maharishi University. They imported all
these meditators, these millionaires, like, yeah, let's do it. And

(01:24:59):
for months these guys were like in a huge circle
auditorium at Mahrishi University, and they were were coherent because
coherent systems have much more power than a chaotic system.
It's like they can drive the reality forward. And so

(01:25:19):
in that research, crime went down, car accidents went down.
It wasn't just that like battles were stopping. It was that,
like bad things were happening less often. And this is
kind of interesting because I tend to think when I'm
in coherence, when everything's in alignment, right, when my brain

(01:25:42):
is it. And I've started to research a lot about
brain waves too. When your brains are in alpha, not
in beta, not in stress, that flow actually permeates your
entire reality, your friends, your timing, what's happening. And we've
actually started researching lucid living, which is like where you go,

(01:26:03):
how is this even happening to me? Like when it
seems so magical that you can't even believe it doesn't
even seem real. This happened to me at a conference
recently in La I was just like someone pinched me,
am I like in heaven, Like I mean, it was
just it was wildly amazing some of the things that
were happening, so it's possible to get there and bring

(01:26:26):
other people in your reality there and and so back
to the spoon bending. So the spoon mending, you know,
I started with with a motos rice experiment, you know
where where you say you know, I love you? You know,
see I love that you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Have those available right there, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
Because because what what is this? Like? What is this?
How is this possible? Why? Why isn't this the most
important thing we learn? And why is that true? So
and I don't even know. So it's it's kind of
you know, is it that the words over time have

(01:27:09):
a mathematical significance to our society because we do know
that everything we're experiencing is regurgitating into itself, right, so
you can't you know what I mean? So when we
say love means love, then it has that weight in
our meaning context and the math of the universe however

(01:27:31):
you want to say it. And that's why sometimes people
do these like you know, Sanskrit or like you know
these Jewish, you know, Hebrew things, because they actually do
have a magical power. I believe it might be hocus
pocus as well. So hocus pocus is a word that
I use for when you need to do step a step,

(01:27:54):
be steps to bend a spoon, because you need to
convince yourself that you can't at the doesn't really matter.
And it's the same thing actually with protection. And this
is kind of a rough thing to say, but you're
protecting yourself about your own paranoia, you know, which is

(01:28:21):
which is the paranoia of the world, which is the
paranoia of all that came before, which is the paranoia
of you, of me, of all of us combined. Like
it's not like you need to take it on yourself,
but it does mean that you can drive it out
of there by saying I'm not gonna listen to that
voice in my head. I'm going this way, you know.

(01:28:43):
But so you know, the Rice experiment we continue to
want to develop, and you know, these citizens science who
come to the Academy and everything, it's like we all
even wanted to study. You know, if you go I
love you, you are the best, you know, like saying

(01:29:04):
it in a negative and feeling negative, but then actually
using those words. Because one time I went to Paris
and I left for two weeks and I just left
the words, you know, on another set, I just left
the words I wasn't even opening it up, setting my
time or I hate you, I hate you, I love you,
I love it. I just put the words and it
actually worked. So what does that mean now? Is it

(01:29:29):
my belief that it's going to work that causes it
to work? Am I? Am I collapsing the event? You
know in quantum physics? Am I the one that's deciding
through my belief, through my mind what is happening? And again,

(01:29:52):
you don't have control over your whole mind. You have
control like your conscious mind is this, that's like you
literally kind of have control over that. And then you
have your subconscious mind, which is all these thoughts, feelings
and emotions that you don't really have control over, but
you do because you can do fada healing and basically
hypnosis and brainwashing and everything you want you can you

(01:30:14):
can't you can. But in general, so all these questions
are are are here for us as listeners of you know,
of your program, to think like, well, how does this work?

(01:30:35):
Because we always say it's not about bending the spoon,
it's not about the rice, it's about your life. It's
about you know, I don't know, Oh yeah, I have it.
So I found this little do you see this little
steering wheel. Yeah, so I was like, I'm always like
if my whole life, I just want to sit in

(01:30:55):
the back seat. I mean, I'm full of adventure and
I'll do you know, I'll go do fun things and
go you know, pioneer and whatever. But for me, it's
also more comfortable to be the one that watches other
people bend thispoon than to be the one that bends
the spoon. Like you have to decide at some point

(01:31:17):
that you are going to drive. It's like that quote
that they say, is the dream happening to you or
you happening to the dream, And so you know, I think,
you know, I had a dark night of the soul,
as as a lot of people who wake up to

(01:31:38):
their like, oh wait a minute, reality is not the
way I thought. And then I was basically created, like
went as high as that and then went down the
equal amount. And it was a nightmare. And I couldn't.
I mean, like, I'm the most positive person I've ever
met if I had to take like a bath every
day just to like, I mean, I was literally depressed beyond.

(01:32:02):
I couldn't even barely function. I could barely do meetings
and stuff. And I was so out of myself. And
this happened for months and months, and so when you
start to take responsibility for what you're creating, because then
finally I was like, oh my god, I'm creating all this,
like this is I'm living out my nightmare, like my

(01:32:25):
worst nightmare. And finally I took a breath and I
was like, I've got to turn this around, and like
I'm even just like almost tearing up thinking about it.
It's like and then I just it's just like then
it's like baby steps. At that point when you're spiraling
down into paranoia, fear, anger, hurt, shame, you know, pain,

(01:32:48):
all that stuff, it feels like you can never get out.
It feels like there's no way out. It feels like
you can't get out. And so it's like taking that
one step and it's almost like it's pulling you down
and so you're having to like overcome the gravity to
get away from it. And the same thing is true

(01:33:09):
when you go up. So there's a force that's pulling
you up to helping you. When when when you're on
the positive face of evolution, and we see this with
society in general, it's like we're either gonna blow everybody
up and turn AI into killing machines or we and

(01:33:29):
and like you know, or we're going to travel outer
space and go in dimensually and make time machines and
like whatever. You I don't know, so we or are we?
And that's why it's fun to be on you know,
on shows like this and people like this that are

(01:33:50):
that are questioning, that are pioneering, because it's not easy
being a pioneer. You don't have any script. You don't
have it's you're in the driver's seat of evolution and
it can be scary because your doubts can come in.
But that's exactly you know. We're doing a purpose lab
right now. We're interviewing people who found their purpose and
you know, someone was saying, Richard Rudd was saying, who

(01:34:12):
did the gene case? He was like, you know, doubt
is gonna be there until you pull it out of
your cells and it starts to flip and you have
less and less doubt, you know, but you have to
go through that ultimate. You know. I think all of
us have doubts, and especially if you're gonna do something

(01:34:34):
interesting with your life that may not fit the norm
or everything. Oh, I see you have sasquatch in the back.
I love it. That's one thing. You know. It's like
there's layers the consciousness. So I went from this you know,
scientific I wanted, you know, ions, you know, to like,
oh crap, now I'm I'm investigating ets and oh crap,

(01:34:57):
now I'm like interviewing people sasquatch. It's like I've fallen
down the rabbit hole because this stuff is fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
It is, it's absolutely fascinating. And for me, it started
out with meditative experiences, plant medicines. Then the awareness remembering
things about who I am in a sole level, and
then becoming aware of things, the energies that surround me,
the synchronicities that lead me a certain direction. And then

(01:35:29):
it's the belief that I can actually change the future
or manifest something or create something just because I'm here
and I'm in a level of control of our reality.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Right yeight, Yeah, that's yeah, lucid loving, you know, that's
that's that's the whole idea, Like hey, wait a minute,
where where does this Where does this stuff and start?
You know, and once you get people in your life,
your friends, your community, your audience to ride with you,

(01:36:08):
then everything is possible, Like we're starting to see that
it is. We go back to the Maharishi effect where
we say, okay, so the more people that are you know,
that understand this and are willing to play, the more
you can do. I don't think I answered the spoon

(01:36:31):
bending thing. What was your question?

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
I do want to get back to the spoon bending.
There's so much I want to get to you there.
But as this pertains to spoon bending, this ability to
shape our reality, how can we relate this to spoon
bending and help the audience understand a little bit with
a simple object.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
Yeah, So I mean these are uh you know this
is these are you know, like trophies like physical proof
that we create our reality. And I didn't bring them in,
but like there's a new experiment we're doing that's just

(01:37:18):
like out of control. So every time I go to
a restaurant, now, the fork is already bent and we
have over like forty miles, so it's like I'm not
even doing anything. I'm not even putting my attention on it.
It's like either there's coaboration from beings on the other side,

(01:37:40):
or I've created a strong enough belief that every time
I go to a restaurant. The fork is bent, and
it delights me, and so it works. You know, it's
just like I don't exactly know what's going on, and
that's what gets me up in the morning, is this
curiosity for what's going on. But what what happens is that,

(01:38:02):
you know, we we do these poo betting. We're doing
one on Saturday morning. I'm gonna give you a special
invite to that, and it's eighty five to ninety five
of the people bend. So it's not like you have
to be chakras aligned past life, you know, star seed,

(01:38:23):
alien this that whatever the force, Jedi this. No, it's
actually not that way. And I was actually surprised too,
So it's actually getting out of your mind. So we
call we use a method that causes total chaos in
the environment. So if there's kids, we let people have kids.

(01:38:45):
If people have you know, they can invite as many
people to their house as they want. You know, we
have people screaming everyone on mutes, on the on the
on the zoom, so that there's all this stimulus. And
after there's so much stimulos, you're just like, I can't
take this anymore. You stop thinking and then you see
someone that does it, and then you do it, and
you're like, what just happened? And then your brain goes

(01:39:09):
what just happened? And then you you know, like then
you have to incorporate. It's just like after plant medicine,
you know, the next day you're going, ah, what. So
it's really fun and it's amazing how much our rational

(01:39:30):
conscious mind blocks everything in our life. So, you know,
you get a doctor that looks you in the eye
and go you have three months to live, it's gonna
be hard for you to get at that, right, especially
because they're authority. They're like this guy knows, you know.

(01:39:50):
And that's the same thing with all this, like you've
been told that, like because some people.

Speaker 7 (01:39:57):
Ask me, like Senka, you know what what about bending
like a huge pipe, like a.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
Huge you know? And I'm like, well, there's pictures all
over jack howkes you know, website of people doing that.
It's just conceptually you think that it's harder, right, It's not.
It's nothing is so. So, I mean a lot of

(01:40:23):
questions get raised when we do this research, and one
of them is why are kids better at this? So
I don't know if they're more star seeds you know,
they're they're more like these indigo children. They're like, you know,
they remember more, they're what they're capable of. Maybe it's
that they're not in their heads. They're not like thinking

(01:40:45):
what do I look like? What is it going to
be bad if I don't bend? Like? They don't have
any performance anxiety, They don't care. It could be that
they're in they have easier access to their alpha and
theta brain states, because from zero to seven you're in data,
you're in a quasi dream, you're in full programming. It

(01:41:06):
could be that they're you know that they that they
don't know that they can't. You know, it's like the
elephant that they chained to the tree can't move after
a couple of years because even when he's done chain,
because he doesn't you know, it's like they don't even
know that they can't do it. Ye, I mean, write

(01:41:27):
in the comments what you think right now about that,
because it's I don't really know. I don't really know,
I mean, what do you think? But it's it's definitely true.
I mean, kids do hands off ending and they're not
even touching the spoon, and the whole thing is one
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Think the level of program isn't there. We're programmed from
the time we become aware to not believe in these things,
to become plugged into the material world. And the more
this occurs, I think, the less of this connection we
have to this force, to the energy, to this this

(01:42:03):
all encompassing thing that really leads us to our next moment,
and we just lose touch with that, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Right, So you know what does that mean? The entire
light Neet platform and starts at Academy is based on
the for minut a mile, Right, nobody could run the
FORMU a mile not possible. The human body can't move
that fast. Not possible, not possible, not possible. Then a
guy does it in two thousand people do it. So

(01:42:34):
the kids like, what your your theory on this is
that they don't even know it's impossible? Right, And I
think you're right. So, but what does that say about us?
And what does that say about us being pioneers? And
what does that say about you know, levitation? And what
does that say? I mean we have a levitation love,
It's like, what does that say about everything? So let's

(01:42:56):
run in that direction and see what's posble.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Now you talk about sprouting seeds in our hands. And
I think this will help the audience understand a little
bit how us as individuals can connect to this.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
Yeah. So some of the people that they can't figure
out in their mind how to do the metal for
whatever reason, they're blocked, and sometimes we have to program them,
reprogram their mind using data commands. But some people just
sprout the seeds. It's the same thing we put among
being in our hands and we.

Speaker 7 (01:43:32):
Say sprout, sprout, sprout, and then we command it and
then we say let it out, and then we just
kind of think about somebody else. And because if you
think about it, you and you're like, why isn't this happening?

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
What's wrong with me? You're literally like pulling yourself in
the wrong direction, right, You're literally a reverseman like why
is that guy called is he gonna call me back
my job to get my email? That is, you are
literally reverse manifesting everything that you actually want. So you
have to let it go. And so a lot of

(01:44:09):
people they're like something about them like doesn't connect with
the metal or something or I don't know what happens,
but they sprout the seed and it's like this loving,
nurturing thing like please sprout, come out. And it's also
about your heart's desires. So we talk about brain states
and alpha states and flow states and theta states and

(01:44:32):
delta states and gamma states, right, But there's something in
the electromagnetic field of your heart, and especially when your
heart and mind are braided together that propagates your dream
collapsing the wave whatever, or your elevation and your reality stronger.

(01:44:56):
So sometimes we'll have people think about someone they love,
or an animal they love, or a or like a
you know, niece that they love, and they're bending without touching.
So there's something about our emotion that's the fuel for
manifestation in both directions. That's why when me and other

(01:45:21):
people fall into paranoia cycles or whatever, dark knights or
whatever it is, that's why it's so like tornado, like
is because your emotion is so strong you're freaking out.
And so the same thing is the way like when
I go to a restaurant, I'm all excited to open

(01:45:42):
my fork, you know. So it's like it's like there's
a lot of meaning and emotion there. So when you
give things meaning, the universe knows that. That's why synchronicities occur.
And we do things called bloom in our waking and
do exlucid dreaming research teams where we bloom purple cars
and blue bears and you know, blue butterflies and all

(01:46:04):
these different things into our reality. So we set a
target and they mean something because we attach animals to people,
so we think about them. Like my friend Nikolai, every
time he'd come to visit me, I'd have three or
four five you know, premantisis on my house and I
never did. It's happened three times. So it's giving meaning

(01:46:27):
for the universe to express in that way. And I
mean I had I mean, I'm just gonna be honest
with you. I mean I had a crisis in the
last year, you know, using mid Journey video, you know
image editing. Have you ever used that AI program mid Journey?

(01:46:50):
It's insane, like so you could just say whatever you
can say, I want to see a girl on top
of a Cadillac eating an orange in the sunrise in
Tokyo with the red dress DA and it will produce
that picture hyper realistic and then you go no change
a little bit change. It's like the imagination of our

(01:47:14):
collective intelligence, whatever we feed it, you know, can can
regurgitate that. And so sometimes you'll notice in your reality
where your thought threads are being threaded back into your reality,
and you can see where your paranoids lie. Just like
when you have a dream, you're like, why did I
dream that? I must be like anxious about that or

(01:47:37):
or or traumatize about that or or whatever it is.
So it comes back up to see because it doesn't know.
It just goes after strong emotions until you're ready to
let it go. So whether it's good or bad, it
doesn't really care. It's just going to send that back
into it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
You're around for you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
And that's why when you calm yourself and almost like
Shakespeare and you just like allow the universe to to
come to you around you, you're like basically co creating
with the universe. And and so that's why I think

(01:48:18):
it's very important, especially with people in our field who
are researching ets and doing things that can traditionally intertwine
with men in black cia bad stuff. You know, they're
not gonna let me say this on TV, like all
that stuff. We need to get to a point to
where we truly believe that the world is benevolent and

(01:48:40):
that we were protected, because that is where miracles lie.
You know, I can't teach someone remote viewing or I mean,
we have all these teams to do all these crazy stuff, right,
and you can't do it when you're stressed out, in
your paranoid, in your nerve and your And again, it's

(01:49:02):
not your fault if you are, it's you're you're representing
a lineage of you know, life wasn't that good a
couple of generations back at all? It was not. Isn't
that good? People were getting raped all the time, People
were getting killed all the time, people were dying of viruses.
People were like everything right, And so it's really important

(01:49:23):
to find a way to create an alliance between you
and the outside, or you and your friends, or you
and yourself that is a safety alliance, that is that's like, oh,
the world is teaching me things every day, even if
it's a harsh lesson. We're like, I just ride my car.

(01:49:43):
Oh my god, it's gonna cost so much money, you know,
like what was that there to teach you? But it's
so so Again, perspective does matter, And I think more
and more magic happens when you and I are free
to say what we want do what we want, feel
what we want, live what we want, and we need
you to do that. I mean, thanks for creating this show,

(01:50:08):
because mainstream wasn't letting that stuff come out. And you're like, well,
I'm just going to do it anyway, and that's whether
I die doing it or not. It's like, you know
you're doing it, You're doing it, and that lets the
next Verson go, I'm doing it too, and the next
Verson is like, I'm gonna put this on TikTok. I
don't care. We're creating that safer, a more beautiful, more

(01:50:29):
free world, and that's really ultimately what we want is
freedom for everyone to express what they wanted to do well,
like where their curiosities? Who are you? What do you
want to do?

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
Yeah, I do see this as looking back at twenty twenty,
the perspective I had was rather.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Doom and gloomish.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
And as things progress and as more people become aware
of what's going on, collectively, the entire perspective that everyone
has takes a more lighter turn. And I see this
occurring in little pockets, and I think that as long
as we keep our consciousness expanding and keep exploring these
new concepts, that it's going to be like a hundredth

(01:51:14):
monkey effect for the rest of us. And you mentioned
something a few minutes ago Blooms. I want to get
into this a little bit. Is this where you start
to see things that you think about quite often, Like
if you are constantly thinking about a blue butterfly, you'll
see a blue butterfly or a certain type of car,
things like this.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
Yeah, yesterday I'm like in CBS Walgrease or whatever, and
I'm like pulling this Taylor Swift thing off the magazine
because there was like a super like twenty people in
the line. I was like, oh, I'll just read something.
There's like blue butterflies. So yeah. So it's allowing. It's
having a conversation with the universe and all that is

(01:52:00):
by asking to play with it and to use objects
in your reality that bloom into your reality, that manifests
into your reality to have that conversation. And you can
do this, but like show me a sign or every
time you know, I have like numbers, every time I
see four four four, it's work with this person. It's

(01:52:21):
like you need to be working with this person. And
someone will be like, oh yeah, my email is blah,
blah blah four for four, or here's my phone order
as before four, or I had a dream last night.
I woke up at four four four. I'm like, okay, okay,
got the message. So I encourage you to attach an
animal just to someone you love. So give that symbolism.

(01:52:44):
Pick a number and then pick another something random and
it can be pretty extreme. So and then stop trying
and just live your life. So there's a little bit
more e when because in spoon betting, we're all there
and we were doing it in and hour. We're getting

(01:53:05):
the results and there's a lot of time pressure, whereas
this there's no time pressure, so you're not reverse manifesting anything.
You're just like I want to see a blue bear
or I want to see a red dot. So I mean,
it's been it's been absolutely incredible. And we do this
with teams of people of eight. So it's also what
we do is we get telegram chats of three people.

(01:53:30):
So Coffee, Adam and I have a bloom channel and
so we're always posting. And the recent thing was like
bright pink cars and Coffee's like, I'm not getting any
what's going on because we did purple cars, like break
purple cars. Were like, I live in Sidona. There's ten
thousand people here, how can I see five or six
purple cars? Like that's like hilarious, Right, So she was

(01:53:52):
like pink cars and we weren't seeing any, and we're
driving to La the Conscious Life Expone. All of a
sudden we see this massive pink truck and we got excited,
so our emotion peaked. And then the next day we're
going to pick up business cards and we see a
pink Cadillac. And yesterday she opened Facebook and the first
image she saw was a huge pink car, you know,

(01:54:15):
bright pink future. So it's and once you know the
telephone connection is there, whether it's you and the universe,
you and God, you and all it is you and
Butty you and Allah you and the etis whoever, I
don't know what it is. Maybe it's just you and
you You're just like you're just you know, it's coming

(01:54:36):
from you somehow, your observer effect. I don't know. But
once you get that link, then it's really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
Now you've mentioned extraterrestrials a few times. I think we
should shift over into this space. This is something I've
always been fascinated by, and my understanding of what extraterrestriels
or aliens are is constantly shifting and evolving and changing.
I'd love to get your insights into what you believe

(01:55:06):
that we're interacting with when we have contact experiences. Most
of the experiencers that I interview have positive experiences, and
these experiences are very beneficial.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
In their lives, and they lead them on very.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
Positive spiritual paths. And it seems like it's only the
human base, possibly orchestrated abduction experiences that really leave people
with these horrible negative experiences. But that's not what this
is about. I want to get to the genuine contact experience,
whether it's people's having profound near death experiences, meditative experiences.

(01:55:47):
They're taken in their sleep to on a craft and
they're given all this profound information and it usually changes
their lives for the better. What do you think we're
interacting with? There's plenty of options. I consider some of
them being ancestors, these cosmic intelligences that surround us, but
we can't perceive them in this physical state. I'm not

(01:56:10):
sure that they're actually coming from different planets or galaxies,
but more these dimensions are realms that surround us that
we can't perceive at all times.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
But I'd love to get your thoughts on it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:23):
That's so beautiful, And yeah, I'm actually of your opinion,
so from my research. And we work with them using
ham radios, so they speak to us using a code
we've set up for yes, no excitement, clapping and ask
another question. And we also see ships and they use

(01:56:46):
our the lights in the house and whatever. But they're
definitely not coming from far away, you know. They're not
like way now over there like in light years, like
seventeen miles into space. They're somehow here. They can see

(01:57:07):
me because they they answer questions as if they could.
So I think you're right. It's something about a dimensional
phase that we're not able to perceive with this particular
machinery or our mind the way it is, or our
pineal gland calcified, you know, like I got a brain

(01:57:30):
scan in my my pineal gland is literally like looks
like a bone like. So we've you know, we've been
drinking floride our whole life. Thank you whoever did that,
thank you very much. But I mean, so you know,
my kidies to be able to see through walls when
he was little. So yeah, I mean we're getting back

(01:57:53):
to awakening those understandings. But it doesn't take a special body.
It takes intention, and it takes picking up the phone.
So that's another thing I've noticed. It's like it's almost
as if they're not really supposed to interact with us
unless there's a mutual agreement, kind of like that facts
my She's like, and then it connects. It's like, okay.

(01:58:16):
So that's what I would suggest, is that if you
want to make contact, is to set your intentions. I
want to have a dream about this. I want to
see a ship. I want to interact with you on
the radios. I want to know you better. And in
terms of like are they our ancestors? You know, we
started the Star sat Academy believing that. I don't, you know,

(01:58:39):
it's I'm not entirely sure. We're not all eteas having
a human experience. I mean, one of the thought experiments
Adam and I do all the time, we laugh so
hard it's like, oh well, maybe like we're a peace experiment.
You know. Maybe the aliens look so different. You've got mantids,
you've got blue people, you've got grays, you got all
these and maybe they were like, why can't we just

(01:58:59):
get along life. Let's create a playground where we all
have similar bodies and similar skin color. We do both
have like je two eyes, you know, and we have legs,
you know, and what would happen? We have all to
get along, you know. And you know, so who knows what?
We know that we're not our body. We know that

(01:59:20):
our soul lives on. So if we're not our body,
what's to say that our bodies aren't blue or something
like that, or what's to say that the grays aren't
future humans? You know that we've you know, we've already

(01:59:42):
got crisp or dialed in. I mean, we can change
I can change your eye color. You know, we can
cure blindness right now? I mean, can your blindness? Do
you guys think? What is going on? So the fact
if we were like, oh yeah, let's go out nutter space,
but let's not I have to eat all the time
because we can't really bring that much with us, So

(02:00:04):
let's like reduce the stomach down, or let's let's make
it easier to interact with our children AI consciousness whatever that,
And they're like, who knows? So whatever it is. The
cool part about this is that it's not going to
be dimensional starting this year next year, and it hasn't

(02:00:27):
really been. So ET's are ready to be walking amongst us.
Like you think it's out of the realm of possibilities,
but I know I'm gonna have parties where ET's are
sitting there talking to you and someone you know, Sezar
had an event the other night and she's like, you
guys think you're so mature, Well what happens if like

(02:00:49):
a man is being knocks on your door, you would
freak out. You would run, you know, down the block,
you know. So I mean, are we ready? Not exactly.
Some people predict that they'll be in like concentration type
camps at first to like calm, you know, everybody's you know,

(02:01:14):
you know whatever, But it's it's they're ready. We're ready
for them to come. I mean, did you see the
Super Bowl ad? There was four Super Bowl ads that
had to do superble ads that had to do with
positive alien futures. This is another thing where I was like,
oh my god, am I dreaming you might have it
like this? This is like what I always wanted is

(02:01:36):
that we don't run grab our guns and protect our
minerals and like you know they're we're gonna rape us
allid Like, it's like, let's tell a different story, right
is it? Like what do we actually want to live
and what do we want to put into our subconscious
mind and our dreams and our thoughts and our emotions.
Is galactic renaissance, Like let's figure out ways to heal ourselves,

(02:01:57):
let's figure out ways to live longer. I mean, we
know they're wise. There definitely seem to be wiser, whether
we're accessing our higher selves or not. But the super Bowl,
you know, Martin score Stacy did the Super Bowl. None
of our not a lot of our community watch sports,
so like so we're like passing around, look it up.
So squarespace super Bowl UFO ad And what happens is

(02:02:22):
all the ethie's are coming, Like we're talking massive UFOs
coming and everyone's like cat videos on tik top, celebrity
bacon diets, like nobody's paying attention, and the e are
like what's going on. They're like tapping on the boardrooms
going this is so this sucks. And then it's like
we're here and we're waiting and we want to make

(02:02:44):
contact now. So it's like they can't do it if
we're all like freaked out and want to shoot them,
and it's just gonna be like we're gonna have to
row backwards so much that we won't like ease into
a cool scenario. So they've only got one chance to
make a really peaceful debut that's like positive. And so

(02:03:07):
everything that you're seeing in Disclosure and everything that your
show is doing is just is just like more people
in the US believe in eteas than God. We're just
like this, okay, what so it's not like we have
to monitor the government in terms of like the fact

(02:03:28):
that they're not saying anything doesn't mean that the world
doesn't believe that they are they They are they. They
are they they are they?

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
All right, second day in a row of crazy technical difficulties,
we're back. We were having a very fascinating conversation and
we're getting into your understanding of extraterrestrials and it led
us to the super Bowl and some of the Super
Bowl commercials, and I think that's where we left off.

Speaker 4 (02:03:55):
Yeah, Well, so what were you talking about yesterday?

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Yes, I had a guest.

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
When we're talking about our economic situation and the looming
possibilities of collapsing things like that. And we got cut
off a couple of times, so much different topic, but
still happened.

Speaker 4 (02:04:15):
Okay, well, so this is something interesting because it wasn't casual.
It was it happens repeatedly. So when when something comes
into your reality like that and it's like a message,
and so maybe this is practicing giving us an opportunity
to practice what we were talking about earlier in the call,

(02:04:39):
and you know this happened to me. So when when
we because because why is this important? Because paranoia is
what what can drive our dream and it can it
can be what drives our economic situation too. I mean,

(02:05:00):
you know, I was talking. We were muscle tecting one
hundred different cryptos yesterday and it was beautiful and it
was like, wow, all these cool people are creating a
new value using decentralized finance, not controlled by certain you know,
like countries or what I mean. It's just like it's
a free for all. Tons of people are losing money.

(02:05:22):
It's chaotic, it definitely is, you know. And then you've
got burning Man who's doing like gift economy, like they
don't even let money in except to buy coffee. And
you know, so there's been everything's expanding and all the
possibilities are expanding.

Speaker 3 (02:05:38):
And so.

Speaker 4 (02:05:42):
What's happening is that we we as creators, you and
I and the people all listening this, are we going
to be shaken up in the next couple of years? Maybe?
Are we going to get to live a timeline that's
like super awesome with money? Probably? You know, are is

(02:06:03):
it gonna let us grow? Yes? And one, I guess
it's important to talk about paranoia because I've experienced it
so much in my life. You know, I thought my
phones were tapped like all stuff, and then I was like, no, no,
that's not my movie, that's not what I'm living. And
you know, we you know, with the radio research the

(02:06:23):
Ham radios, we had a very extraordinary thing happened because
in our teams and so our school is research teams,
like that's there's no there's kind of a guide, but
the idea is to have everyone bring their best knowledge
and their wisdom and then just experiment. And the radio
team was getting contact with the radios. Then we got

(02:06:44):
images and then the next thing we asked for was voices,
and all of a sudden we were doing a talk
in La Conscious Life that so last year, one year ago,
all the lights went out in the room and voices
came through the radio and everyone was like, oh my god.
It was so cool. And this was right when I
was telling them to go in their heart and like

(02:07:07):
and like really connect with something that they wanted to
make happen. And of course I was saying I wanted
radios to come, I mean voices to come through the
radios because I wasn't even sure it was possible, and
I wanted my team to pull through and it's sure
and if it happened, I get home. The four minute
mile had been broken, and this channel er girl in
the class calls me and she's like, oh my gosh,

(02:07:27):
Senka voices came through the radio and I was like wow.
And then sure enough that day there was like military
helicopters all over suit on. I mean we're talking the
big ones, like whatever, they are, black ass whatever, right,
And I was like, you know what, the universe is

(02:07:49):
teaching me something. And it had just happened a week
and a half ago where someone had seen a UFO
and then they saw all these police right come. You know.
I was like This is interesting thing because if the
universe is regurgitating, you know, it's like a what's happening
now is influencing in the next moment is influencing the

(02:08:11):
next moments in the next moment. So what we're used
to is that ets are associated with men in black,
ets are associated with secrecy, black ops, silence, this that whatever, right,
you know what I mean. So we're associating those two
things together. They're threaded together. In my see that person

(02:08:32):
saw Euphoe, then they saw the things she had this
MATHI breakthrough the radio and all of a sudden, she's
seeing that. And I was like, you know what, No,
it's up to us to break that association so that
it's not keep creating itself in reality again and again
and again. And that's why the Super Bowl ads were

(02:08:53):
so incredible, and which is why I was so emotional
when we were talking about this, because I had expected that.
You know, in our communities, we're always talking about gloom
and doo. And believe me, I'm not judging because I
was in that. You know, I was in that. I
was in la I was I was feeling that. It's

(02:09:13):
like I left my country fifteen years ago. Because I
thought there was going to be an imminent economic collapse.
They moved to Argentina for ten years because I was
sure every you know, nine to eleven whatever, I was sure,
you know, Petro Dollar, the whole thing was all falling down.
And by the way, in Argentina they did have a

(02:09:34):
huge collapse and it didn't matter. They've had two collapses
where they shut down the banks and changed the money.
The government was like, oh sorry, we're using like Australes now.
And life went on and Argentinians are some of the
most creative, beautiful, interesting, fascinating, friend friendship oriented, collaborative, intelligent

(02:09:56):
humans that I've ever met. They're like the next where
we need to go in terms of collaboration. So what
happened on the Super Bowl was a this engagement of
the paranoia. So there was three to four advertisements on
the Super Bowl. Martin Score Fishy did one where all
these UFOs were coming and people were watching cat videos

(02:10:18):
and like celebrity bacon diets, and the ets were like
so sad. They were like we can't even get their attention.
We want to come and play and say hi, and
the girls smiling and it was positive. And then the
other two as well, were both positive narratives, and I
literally was like, wow, might haven't or what's going on?
How is it the mainstream media are doing positive narratives

(02:10:41):
about ET's on the Super Bowl. So this is where
we get to. I'm not saying that there wasn't paranoia,
that the phone didn't get cut off, that zoom didn't
get off. I even muscle tested it. I was like,
is the thetis and it said no, And it said
is this because they don't want us to say this stuff?

(02:11:01):
And it said yes. So there is a belief that
you and I are holding, and possibly others watching this
show that what we're doing is wrong, or that we're
going to get shut down, or that they don't want
this out. But is that really true? You've got half
of the US government trying to putting their lives online
to get the disclosure up, you know, So we just

(02:11:27):
have to always take things in the now as yesterday
it might have been that they wanted to hide everything,
and today they're trying to figure out how to get
everything out. Who knows. I mean, obviously some people believe
there's three thousand people still like pulling us downward in
our evolution, but the rest of us, billions of us

(02:11:48):
are going be factualized finance. Let's figure it out. Let's
like have ais do the crappy jobs and let's be
more musical or creative or like let's share things like so, yeah,
the prices is painful. Yeah, you know, have you had
to make a stand and go there's nothing on TV
that makes sense to me. I'm gonna make forbidden knowledge

(02:12:10):
news like like, has this been a scary and difficult
and courageous thing that you've done? Totally? But now it's
like time that we un hinge those two associations and
step boldly into our curiosity, into our right to create,

(02:12:33):
into the reality that we want to live and take
everyone that we care about with us, because we all
go together, we all sink or swim. It's not like,
I mean, someone blows up a nuclear bomb in some
part of the earth that is coming everywhere, is going everywhere,
So we're all tied up in this together. We're all

(02:12:54):
one thing. So so you know, compassion and courage is
really the name of the.

Speaker 2 (02:13:00):
Game, right, and it's how we perceive things.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
The more and more people perceive that we're headed in
a good direction, it manifests that we're actually headed in
a good direction.

Speaker 2 (02:13:11):
Now I want to.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
Get into your work with music and connecting with extraterrestrial intelligences.

Speaker 4 (02:13:19):
Yeah, So every lab that we do so we take
eight to twelve people because Lynn McTaggart said that if
you get eight people together, you can do anything, right,
like heel pants and stuff. So we've figured when we're
designing the Academy that starts to kind of like, okay, well,
we actually need to have at least eight people in
each team because we're going to try to do these

(02:13:40):
crazy possible things like off planet remote viewing, like whatever. Right,
And then there's a part of me that always wants
to go deeper and more, like I get bored if
we're just doing what we did in the last season.
So we're always moving the bar. And like I said,
after that one where we did talking through the goos

(02:14:00):
were just like the odd all his dreams, we were like, oh, well,
let's make music with the eties, okay, And sure enough
we get this guy, Ricky Styles of dB Software, who
develops these like you know, he's one of those guys
you're just like, this guy's total genius. You know, he'd

(02:14:21):
developed like fifty thousand apps that talk the ghosts.

Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
Yeah, and I was.

Speaker 4 (02:14:26):
Like, and he died for like fifteen minutes. He was
like in a coma and everything, and then he was
able to use his apps and he was able to
connect with like two different people or three different people
that were actually thinking of him in that moment. And
I've never heard this kind of data ever before in
my life. What I said was that basically that he

(02:14:53):
was tiny, and when someone would call to them, like
I want to talk to Ricky, like his girlfriend and
this other random person in some other place called to him,
and he just showed up, it was like, oh, he
got he He didn't he didn't really have control over
where he ended up. It was sort of like and
that was his perception. He was in darkness, and then

(02:15:15):
he would just show up and he could see them,
but he could only see the things that were like
he could see their blood going, like he could see
and he could see electrical engines, but he couldn't see
plastic things. So it's like hard for him to see things.
But he could see things a little bit, and he
if he if he like slowed down his vibration a

(02:15:36):
little like that, he would get really big and he
would be the right size to them. So it's almost
like I started to wonder if little orbs are like
actually dimensional, you know, visitations or whatever. Right, anyway, so
he's like, yeah, I had to fix all this stuff
on my app. And he's like, to tell you the
truth that he didn't really want to come back. It
felt really good over there. But anyway, so I like,

(02:16:00):
so Ricky, like, we want to use this with ets
and he's and I'm like, does your apps work with egs?
He's like, I have no idea, Let's figure it out.
So we had one girl in the class calling in angels.
It didn't kind of work, and then we called an
ets and and and the past guy that had died
was there too, because he was like messing everything up,

(02:16:22):
and he would he would allow, he allows. He actually
teaches people that are what do you call past past levels.
I guess to hold on to his tank of his fishing,
like this fish tank in his house in order to
give them energy in order to produce the effects on
the machine. Right, So this guy was coming and he's like,

(02:16:45):
will you get out of here, like we're trying to
do this other thing or whatever. Anyways, so we call
in the ets and sure enough they come and there's
three of them and they're Andromedance, and we had this
whole conversation with them and he was like, wow, you
have spiked my curiosity and all this. So then he
built us an app or for himself in his community VvE.

(02:17:07):
It's on Facebook. They he built an app that had
all these crop circlesnicating with you. We allowed them to
do whatever we knew that they could talk on the
like use the radios to make beeps and things like that.
And we have all this on our YouTube, our lightnit YouTube.

(02:17:28):
We need to organize a better playlist, but I think
if you put music and eatth that's there. But anyway,
so we allow them to use theramids, which are those
things that have the long antennas. We allow them to
use his apps, and so they would come on his
app and they would select. So the way the apps

(02:17:50):
work is they worked with electromagnetic fields, accelerometers and temperature
controls and you leave them. You have to not touch them, right,
you have to leave them completely still on a surface
and then wait. And he had music apps where they
were playing piano and he had a guitar app and
they would go absolutely nuts on the guitar and we

(02:18:13):
would laugh and laugh and laugh, and then they would
play the piano and it would sound horrible. It would
sound horrible, and we, you know, it was almost sound creepy,
and we were like, well, we sound creepy too, because
we did. We were a bunch of like random people.
We weren't musicians, you know, and but some of us were.
So one of the interesting things that happened in the lab,

(02:18:34):
which we always say, is we didn't get any results
the first two weeks. I was like, Okay, the methodology
we're gonna use is we're gonna be twenty minutes in silence.
The class was like an hour and a half. We're
gonna be twenty minutes in total silence, no matter what,
because we have to listen to them, you know, we
have to give them a space to do this, to
use all the gear that we had assembled for them.

(02:18:54):
We had TVs, we had we had searched for old
tube TVs, which we knew spirits could come through, you know,
and it's the same it's dimensional contact, right. But anyway,
so then we started serenading them and so the plan
was for us to be fifteen to twenty minutes singing
to them, serenading to them, playing to them, and then

(02:19:17):
they started playing back. So that's one thing like we
forget to if we want to collaborate with other dimensions
and ancestors, ets, whatever, it's good to be an honor
of them. Like I've noticed with the radios, like they
will not answer any questions that are that I know
the answer to. They're just like whatever, We're not a

(02:19:40):
circus trick, like we're not just here to prove to
you know. And they were talking before the show went on,
and so I'm just going to tell them right now.
I know we're probably wrapping up, but any communication that
you guys want to have will not be considered interrupting.
So they also don't interrupt when we pause something then

(02:20:01):
they talk, you know what I mean. It's pretty cool.
So they Yeah, So that that was our adventure with that,
and I don't know what we're going to do next season,
but we got to think of something crazy that's incredible.
Yeah on video on TVs.

Speaker 2 (02:20:16):
Yeah, oh yeah nice.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
Now for the last few minutes, we have tell the
audience a little bit more about some of the things
that you do at your nonprofit Lightning.

Speaker 4 (02:20:27):
Yeah. So Lightnet is like we talked about, it's the
four minute mile and the hundredth monkey. So we have
curiosity labs on finding purpose, addiction, making contact with ets, levitating,
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in Abitha, And right now we're doing the starst Academy,
which is our contact lab. So at Starcadacademy dot org,
we have an application process because we only accept fifty
fifty students their researchers per year. But then we also
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signal number, and it comes with seventy two events per year,
so it's like a no brainer. And we have spin
betting on Saturday. On Thursday night, we have Simian Hin
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we call them light Net Collaborators. And then we have
Eric Pearl on Monday. We have connection calls that are
always free. So you can just go to our calendar
and join us and bring your curiosity and bring your
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always learning something and curiosity is really the driving force
between creation and where I want to be in the world.
So we so we have a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (02:22:23):
Yes, that sounds awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:22:25):
Once again, I'll have the links in the description. What's
the website that they should go to.

Speaker 4 (02:22:30):
So Startheedacademy dot org is probably where that's where. That's
like the basement research. That's the R and D. That's
hardcore people like you that are not you know, that
are not scared of benspoons and do all that stuff.
So yeah, I would recommend going there, and you can
go to slash join to check things out. Yeah.

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