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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Tonight, I'd like to welcome Steve Coburn. Steve is a
chemist and material scientist with over twenty years of industrial
experience and several patents for industrial processes relating to nanotechnology.
He is currently working in the area of carbon nanotubes
and working to start a nanotech company. In the UFO field,

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he does high tech analysis of alien implants, UFO crash
debris and instrument scans of clients for the presence of
alien implants and other signs of recent contact. Steve, thanks
for joining us. How you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Great? Great, great to be here, very good.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Now you have a very interesting background and you actually
worked with the late doctor Roger Lear. Tell us a
little bit more about your background and good What got
you started doing this research.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I was doctor Leary's partner from two thousand and eight
to but he died in early twenty fourteen, and I've
I've always been interested in nanotechnology and chemistry, microstructures had
anything to do with with that sort of thing, and

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I've also been interested in the UFOs all my life,
so it was natural that when I got the opportunity
to work with doctor Lear, I chose to do so.
I actually met doctor Lear after an object appeared in
my toe and I went over to him as a
patient and he removed it seven months later, and he

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didn't have anybody to analyze it, so I decided to
take it upon myself analyze the piece of the object,
and the result were quite remarkable. It was a sophisticated
nanotechnological device. And I went on to analyze several other

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implants that he had removed from other patients that had
not been analyzed completely.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Now it's interesting you said you had you know, UFO
contact or possible abduction experiences, you said earlier in your life.
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah? Yeah, now, and I find.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
It interesting that you're also a material scientist working with
these carbon nanotubes that could possibly also be part of
the technology being used in the implants you researched. Did
you start doing your research, you know, because of these occurrences. No.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I happen to be working on carbon nanotubes at my
old job and we worked on those for about seven years,
and I have several patents in the carbon downitube field,
and it was just kind of a synchronicity that it
turned out that the alien devices apparently utilized carbon downtube electronics.

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That's something that we're working on in birthly science but
have not perfected yet. But apparently it's a old technology
to them, and the carbon downtube electronics would be faster
and more robust, and the silicon electronics that we use
there are three D networks of carbon. Unity was built

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right into the metal.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Apparently very interesting. Now, do you remember any of your
maybe your first contact experience. How old were you and
could you tell us a little bit about it.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
The first thing I remember was was seeing a UFO
hovering over my parents' house when I was five years old,
like a fairly small scout craft, maybe fifty feet in diameter,
hovering right a bread at rooftop level. And that was
maybe four o'clock in the morning, before sunrise. And then
I blocked out and woke up like four hours later

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with blood all down in front of me and remembered
somebody putting something up my nose. And Willie Streeber described
a similar experience in the book Communion, and I think
that's standard procedure for abductees to have an implant put
in at that age.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's very interesting. Now, do you have any other memories
of any experiences after that.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, I remembered a few things spontaneously and a lot
more under hypnotic regression after I found out for sure
that this was going on, after I met doctor Lear.
And it's a lot of really strange stuff. It's it's

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it's no wonder that that people are having trouble believing
in all this because it's completely counter what we're taught
in school about. You know, aliens can't possibly be coming here,
it's too far away and all that sort of thing,
and apparently they are.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Were your experiences, would you say a positive nature or
do you think they had possibly malevolent purposes?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I wouldn't say my experiences have been malevolent or or
or completely negative. But there's like a lots of control
and inherent in it because they use they do what
they do what they want with you, as if you're
an experimental animal, and they they use mind control, and
it just it just introduces a strange feeling of a

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loss of control that's really disturbing. A lot of people
have commented on that.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Do you have any memories of being taken on a craft?

Speaker 2 (06:03):
H yeah, most of them have recovered under regression, but
but yeah, I've got some memories of being on board,
and yeah, my memories are pretty pretty similar to a
lot of other abductee reports, especially I really related to
Katherina Wilson's book I Forgot What I was supposed to

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remember and Alien Jigsaw, if readers or listeners want to
read those, that pretty much sums up a lot of
my experiences too. Of mine were very similar to hers.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Now, do you know what types of beings that you
were interacting with?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
The standard grays that most people report as the ones
i've are the ones I've mostly seen, but I remembered
under regression seeing some tan grays on board an alien
mother at one point the ones that were on Willie
Streemer's book cover.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Now let's get back to your first end plant. Can
you tell us about that experience, how that came about?
First actual removement?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, I well, how it was put in is I
was at my house watering the plants and taking care
of the place after work. My wife was at her
parents' house after my daughter was born, and she'd was
staying there for a while to have her mom help
her out with the baby, and I called her up

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until her I was going to spend the night at
the house because I was getting tired, and I heard
some noises in the backyard. Went out in the backyard
and there were these two huge raccoons out there, and
one was about fifty pounds. Every one was about seventy pounds,
and I didn't even know they got that big, so
that was pretty surprising, and I it seemed fairly tame.
So I put some food out there for them so

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they wouldn't need our avocados, and they were in our
avocado tree. And I watched the animals for a while
and then went in and went to bed. And when
I woke up, there has been a lot of strange
stuff going on prior to that, and when I woke up,
I just realized that the aliens had been there. And
I had a pain in the side of my head
and a stinging pain in my left second toe, and

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I looked at my toe. There are two puncture wounds
there that disappeared within a few hours, and the two
puncture wounds lit up green under ultraviolet light, and so
the stinging pain got worse and became an electric shock
type pain that went all about all the way up

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my leg. About four days after the incident, every time
I put some weight on that toe, and so I
went over to see doctor Lear and I told him
that to possibly alien implant.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And how did you How did you get into contact
with the doctor Lear?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, it was a synchronicity too. He worked only a
few blocks from where I worked in Camrio, California, and
I had been following his research for a long time.
Then all of a sudden, got an implant myself and
decided to go over and see him. And I don't
think he believed me at first, but he gave me
a prescription to you to get the toe x ray.

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And the prescription said give a copy of the patient.
So they gave me a copy of this X ray
and I knew intuitively I was going to see something,
but when I did, it would just that blew me away.
I mean, there's a heck of a difference between, like
I always said, there's a heck of a difference between
strongly suspecting that something like this occurs and knowing for sure.

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The object looked like a bent piece of wire in
my toe, and it was actually the image on the
extra was actually smaller then it turned out to be
in real life, which was strange.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Interesting now, how did the removal process go.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It went pretty well, it turned out, but the object
was brittle and it broke into twelve pieces on removal.
They instead of cutting it out, they tried to go
in through the side of the toe and pull it out,
and the object was brittle and broken to several pieces.
But that turned out to be a good thing because
it gave us some views of the interior without us

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having to cut the object up. And one weird thing
is that all the pieces arranged themselves in their original
order when doctor Lear had a stored in blood serum.
That was really remarkable. We've got pictures of that. And

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he gave me two pieces of the object to run
a series of tests on. I did light my cross
could be scanning, electronic cross could be and ed X
BOLK elemental analysis UH and ic PMS trace element analysis.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
And.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
We did. We did the magnetic testing and Geiger counter
testing and turn it was highly magnetic. That was one
thing we'd noticed that before we removed the object from
my body, it was at about a ten mila magnetic field,
and our associate, doctor Kuons thought that the magnetic field

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may have may have had to do with its power source.
He thought that it was powered by zero point energy
by the interaction between some phone on mode in the
metal and the magnetic field. Another an usual thing about
the object of the metallic portion was made of meteoric
iron that the trace element pattern and it exactly matched wrong,

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exactly matched a group of nickelairon meteorites called hexahed rites.
And it produced no Like all the other implants the
doctor Leer researched, it produced no. No inflammation in my
toe or nearly A foreign body will always produce inflammation
in the human body. So that's uh.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I've heard instances of the the nerves actually growing around
these objects.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, that's right, there were, there were There are appropriate
sceptor nerves growing into these objects from in every case
that we've seen, including the implant in my toe. And
that's that's their connection to the nervous system. That's that's
how they gather information apparently and also perhaps transmit information

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to the body. And h there's some chemical cue to
cause the nerve cells to grow into them. And I
think that's the pain that was expert ancing in my
toe was probably the nerve cells growing into the device.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You said, there's no immune response to the object.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Either, no, none whatsoever. It was highly unusual, and that's
that's been repeated like seventeen times now. None of them
had any any immune response whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now do you know the what the purposes of these
devices would be other than cracking?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Not for sure. We have we have abductee reports on
what the aliens say there for, and we have some
educated speculation on what they're for. But I'll just run
run that value, and you know, we may find out
that they do other things too. But logically they must
they must be tracking devices, but a lot of them

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are probably not primarily tracking devices, And the ones in
the extremities, like the ones in the toe or the
the wrist, the leg, or probably are are mainly physiological
monitoring devices to measure all kinds of physiological parameters like
blood sugar, blood oxygen, uh of hormone levels, that sort

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of thing. And we have reason to believe from what
people have told us that that they can. Most of
the devices can be used to implant suggestions that are
hard to ignore because the subject always thinks it's their idea.
And doctor Kons thought that some of them could be

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used as room bugs could pick up airborne sounds and
they transmit radio waves, but they're not always on, but
they sometimes they're transmitting, and so they're they're definitely transmitting
that information back to the people that put them.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
In the most. I guess what areas of the body
are they mostly found in.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
They're mostly found in the extremities in the head. There's
typically on somebody that's got a lot of alien activity,
there's typically one one above each year, a tiny one
above each year below the scalp and above the skull,
and uh one at the back of the neck, and

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the t three vertebrae, and a brain implant. The brain
implants are hard to detect because they're they're made of
a conductive polymer. I actually analyze one of those two
that that fell out of somebody's nose, and it was
interesting because the alien the aliens told somebody that that
they were made of a conductive polymer, and and that

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indeed was what the one I analyzed was made out of.
And they grow or said they grow tendrils throughout the brain,
and those implants can enable the aliens, according to what
they've said, to hear and see what the subject is

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hearing and seeing in real time, and probably also hear
what they're thinking, and so that's getting that implant is
like connecting the person of the alien high of mind.
They're kind of a high of mind species, kind of
like the borer, gun star trek. You have seen them?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, And am I right in saying that some of
these have actually moved? When Trump been when yes.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I was talking, I was speaking of this the state
of the station. All the ones that we've analyzed right now,
so far i've been up to now been stationary ones.
But there are moving ones too. We've never had a
chance to analyze ones. We can't get them out, and
they're more rare than the stationary ones at any rate.
But I've had I've had contact with people say that

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they have moving ones. And Whilly streamer out a moving
one in his ear. I think he still has it,
and doctor here I was going to take it out,
but he changed his mind at the last minute. Really
did that?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Is now? You said they emit radio signals?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Absolutely? Yeah, about ten percent of the time they're active
emitting radio signals. That's all of the implants that we
know of, including the movie ones.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Out.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
The movie ones. The movie ones are probably also made
of a conductive polymer and they have these like ccilia
on them, like a like a microorganism would have that
enables them to move under the skin. And some people
report that it hurts quite a bit when they move.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Wow. Yeah, I can't imagine having something moving under my skin? Now?
How many? How many have you had removed from yourself?
Just the one?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Just the one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Have you had any others that you know of that
you know may still be there?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I have actual evidence that at least two more. I
think that I think I have three or four more.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Would look.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
The ones above the years I've got those. And I
remember having a brain implant put in when I was five,
like I was telling you, and I think that standard
procedure for most abductees.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Now, when you're doing scans for these devices, what kind
of equipment are you using?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
The the standard scans that I use on people that
want to find out if they're abductees or not, or
a stead finder scan to scan areas of concern for implants.
It's are good at detecting metallic objects into the skin,
and then we do a gas meter scan UH for
the Tech Week. Magnetic fields and UH alien equipment can

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sometimes magnetize things including human tissue. And if we get
a gas meter hit combined with a studfinder hit, there's
a high probability that's an implant. The implants are almost
always magnetic. And then I use I got your counter
to detect any trace of radiation once in a while

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or something left behind. And and I use an ultraviolet
light to detect alien dyes that are left behind on
the body that stay up to a month, or indelible
dyes that are really hard to remove. And there's various
colors orange, green, yellow, green, and blue, and uh there

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they shine very strongly under short wavev illumination. And that's
a that's a dead giveaway. If if I see those,
I know the person's been been taken within the last month.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Now they want to have this remove? Do you do
you refer them to a to someone to have them removed.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, I've just been telling I don't have a doctor
working with me at this point in time, But I
just I just tell people to go to their GP
and say they have a foreign object that's bothering them
and try to get it removed. Insurance should cover it. Theoretically,
that's all I can do at the moment. But I'm
trying to find a doctor who will come forward and

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helped me with this research.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Have you analyzed them any recently? Uh?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
No, not recently. The last The last stuff I analyzed
was actually some crish debris from a UFO that crashed
in New Mexico during the roswell time period.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Seven kind of results came from that, and.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I also analyzed patient seventeen's implant to reanalyze part of
it about like three years ago. Oh. There were mostly
pieces of aluminum. There was one piece of like ultrapure
aluminum that appeared to have some sort of a different
crystal structure than regular aluminum, and it was very hard

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and would give off sparks when you when you put
it on a grinding wheel, which is not what aluminum
typically does it with act even more like titanium or
steel in that regard. But it was incredibly strong, and
that also was the case with patient sixteens implant that
came out of his wrist. It was a steel a

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steel carbon anitude metal matrix composite with a little bit
of meteoric iron in it that was incredibly strong, and
diamond tools would even cut it. That'sn't heard of down
them tools could just about anything.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Wow, that should Yeah, that's very fascinating.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
The other crash Debrie samples were aluminum with some strange
impurities in them that would not be there in earthly
aluminum samples. A little guranium and thorium, rare earth gallium
and germanium, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Now do you think it's possible that our government or
military industrial complex could be doing some of these implants?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, I think it's possible. I heard a rumor not
too long ago actually, that the aliens had given them
a large quantity of their implants as part of some deal.
So I hope that's not true. That'll mean that it'll
be impossible to tell the difference between government implants and
alien implants. But there's some evidence that the government and

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the aliens are working together anyway. But up to now,
government implants have been distinguishable because they're usually like like
you know, little computer chips, like a standard computer chip
under the skin. But alien implants are very very small.
They're they're buch smaller. They're like the one in my
toe is like like one millimeter in diameter by like

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three and a half four millimeters long, and they're much
that the technology is much greater in them, much more advanced.
And I'm sorry, what was your question?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh no, well I was gonna ask. I was going
to go back to your contact experiences and ask if
you remember any direct communication with any of these beings.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Uh, yeah, yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, are any messages they told you, like.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
When they told me, when they told me what the
what the brand implants were for? And uh, they'll sometimes
answer questions like that, not always, And there they remind
me of a high tech foreign military and a lot
of the stuff they do is secret on their end too,
And questions about what is your agenda? What do you

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plan to do at point A and point B at
this or that time. They won't answer questions like that,
or hardly ever will, but they do sometimes ask answer
technical questions. And let's see, I remember them telling me
what the what the implants are for? And I remember
telling me a lot of a lot of teas report
this that they're concerned about us screwing up the planet

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and possibly having a war that will be disastrous, and
we need to change our ways and become part of
the galactic community, and messages like that that's pre standard.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Have you in your regressions or any types of memories.
Do you have memories of interacting with any reptilian beings
or insectoid beings.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I remember seeing some ones that look like praying maniss
that are like the bosses of the grays. You don't
see them very often, but I remember seeing them on
a couple occasions.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
No, I hear that a lot, that they're the bosses
of the grays, that they're they're somehow in control of them.
You think the Grays are just some type of biological
AI or something.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well, I think maybe some of them are, but in general,
in general they are. They are races that in most
cases used to be more like us. And they've had
technology for so long that it's it's that it's changed them.
They've often, at least the short grays, have altered themselves
by genetic engineering and over exposure to radiation and overuse

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of transporters and technologies like that, and now they're trying
to fix themselves. And the Grays are an alliance of
like seven similar species, and they've all been changed by
technology to one extend or another. But I think the
short grazer and and the worst shape, and that's that's

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part of the reason they're doing all these subductions. They
want people like us in their society, and they want
to fix themselves with human DNA or something like that.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Are there certain are there certain bloodlines that are actually
targeted more for these abductions and these implants.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Absolutely, it's a it's a lineage thing.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
They've mapped out all the blood lines of humanity long ago, apparently,
and they know what characteristics they're interested in, and they
hand pick individuals to be part of their program based
on their bloodlines and and genetic makeup.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I've spoken with a lot of researchers that that tend
to believe that there's an ongoing hybridization program. Is that
something that you have heard of or encountered or you know,
been been told.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, they they they apparently genetically modify most of the
people that are involved in the program, and they also
have the people that are called that you're calling hybrids
or have a lot more alien DNA and are were
created in the program to try to create beings that
that look like humans but have all the gray abilities.

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And apparently they've had to put so much human DNA
and into them to make them look human that the
gray abilities are quite diluted, but they're they're a lot
more psychic and and intuitive than normal humans, and they
have faster reflexes, they're stronger, that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
So do you think that these these hybrids that they're
actually walking amongst us?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, I think so. I don't know how. I don't
know how many, but I have reasonablie if it's at
least a few thousand.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Now from your experiences these beings are they do they
have the ability to, I guess travel interdimensionally? Are they
interdimensional beings? Or are are the are the have you
they been physical the ones that you've encountered, Well.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I mean they have time travel, so in that sense,
they're interdimensional. They can travel between between alternate realities. In fact,
they told me that. One one thing they did tell
me is is that they don't like to use time travel.
It's more dangerous than space travel. You can get into
an alternate reality and it would be it might be
difficult to get out. And but no, I don't think

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they're from from an alternate universe per se. They told
me that they're that they're from Their races are in
general from planets within one hundred light years of here,
one of which one of which is the rearticulate for

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and sixty one Earth some majoris three is another one.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I find it interesting that you said they used to
be a lot more like us, and you know, all
these things that they've done to themselves have changed their
appearance time. Do you think that they were very much
like humanoid beings possibly humans, you know, and they're they're

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us in the future.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I've heard some of them are. Yeah. Area fifty one
supposed they made contact with a group of grays that
were humans from the future, from like a million years
from now. And typically these beings start looking like grays
when they've had technology for well in excess of one
hundred thousand years, usually like on the order of a

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million years. That's my understanding.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Anyway, Now, what are your thoughts on our secret space program?
Do you think that we have operations on the Moon
on the Mars?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, I think we've had a secret space program for
a long time, according to my research. When the Air
Force announced they were getting out of the space business
back in nineteen fifty seven, I believe it was, and
they formed NASA, that was for show. I mean, they
never did get out of the space business. They've had

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a secret space program ever since then. NASA has always
been a dog and pony show to by the public
and to get all the space scientists under one roof
where they can be controlled and what they say can
be controlled. And the Air Force has been trying to

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advance in space for ever since then, and they've had
anti gravity powered craft. They're like, you know, primitive versions
or less sophisticated versions of what the aliens have since
the late sixties. From one to understand, how.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Far ahead do you think our military industrial complex is
as far as technology. I mean, I've heard up to
fifty years.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, in general, it's about that. In certain areas are
more than one hundred years ahead, but yeah, about fifty
years in general.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
And do you think that we will ever see any
of this possible free energy technology, you know, anti gravity.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I think we're probably going to see the anti gravity
before we see the free energy. I think in order
to see the free energy, we're going to have to
change how we how we govern this planet and and
you know, take the power out of the hands of
this this power elite that controls people that don't know
all the oil companies and the pharmaceutical companies and and

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the big industries in general. The reason we the reason
we haven't gotten off oil is not because there aren't
better ways of generating power, but because oil and so
called fossil fuels are as good as it gets as
far as the profit margin for the power elid. You
need to burn mega tons of the stuff to generate

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any great amount of power, and it's a substance that
occurs all over the planet. We're not running out. That's
a myth that we're running out. It's generated from inorganic
reactions deeper than the Earth. There has nothing to do
with fossils, and to specifically at the crust out near
the crust mantle boundary. That's why if any place starts faulting,

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oil comes to the service. It's actually the liquid that
the crystal plates float on. But in an event, we're
not running out, and you have to burn megatons of
the stuff, and you can charge a hundred dollars a
barrel for it, and it's difficult to see any other
way of generating power have a higher profit margin than that.

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And they also control people that way. You need their
oil in order to generate power. If we had free energy.
Then you could have a little box that would power
your house and everybody would be independent. Yeah, they have.
Even when they have things like nuclear power, for example,
they want to make huge megapower plants out of it

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that everybody has to depend on, rather than smaller units
that would be safer. You know, that brings on it
all centralized.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
That brings me to my next point of I think that's,
you know, the reason why so many of us believe
that or want to believe that these elites are in
control from an off planet or a malevolent source, or
even some kind of demonic source. They don't want to
believe that humans just come up with this on their own,

(34:22):
and then they want to enslave humanity just for the
sake of power, just for the sake of money. But
you know, I'm still on the fence. Is it just
humanity and slaving itself or is there something out there that's,
you know, controlling them, pulling their strings. What are your
thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I think it's a little of both. I think that
the the power lead are extremely corrupt, morally bankrupt individuals,
and I think they probably are being influenced by aliens
of sun strike. Probably reptilians, like they say. And one reason,
one reason I think that there's some alien influence involved
is bec because there seems to be a very long term,

(35:03):
multi century plan to do all this enslaving of humanity.
And I just don't believe that the humans are capable
of planning much beyond a human lifetime. Its just it
would be highly uncharacteristic anyway, for individuals that corrupt give
two hoots about what happens after they die. So aliens

(35:25):
have a much longer lifespan. So that's why I think
that there probably is an alien alien influence involved with us,
But I don't think it's really the Grays. I think
if it is aliens, it probably is the reptilians.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
I mean there's so many aspects of our society that
is going, I believe, in the wrong direction. I mean,
we're seeing enhancements in technology, but what are we using
it for. I mean, most of the nation is staring
at their smartphones and not producing anything, not giving back
to society, and you know, it's all about themselves and

(36:04):
their devices, and just the nonsense that the media is
spewing out there. The agendas seem to get worse every year,
and people are just buying into it and going along
with it, and it doesn't seem to be changing in
any way. There's a few of us that are waking

(36:24):
up to this and becoming aware and spreading the word,
but it doesn't seem to be enough to be making
a change that in the direction we need to go.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, I think we're making some progress, but I hope
it's it's not too little, too late. I mean, the
Grays really do want us to wake up and do
things better and improve things. There's really no reason technologically
why things can be getting better and better on this
planet instead of worse and worse. The only reason they're
getting worse and worse, in my opinion, is because the

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power elite want more and more and more money out
of us, and more and more and more control. And
and when you disempower people and and uh make and
you know, take all their money away and everything, and
then things are definitely gonna get worse and worse. The
type of system that they that they have set up

(37:22):
and that they that they want to promulgate is and
sustainable and that the grades are concerned about that too.
And all the technology we we do have we use
for or release governments use for better ways of killing
each other. And we need to we need to, you know,
do something instructive as a race rather than always destructive.

(37:44):
I mean, there's no reason why we ought to behave
with every new technology like a kid that's found his
father's gun. I mean, as it's you know, we needed
we need to be more responsible than that.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Now you said that it's the grades that they want
to help us. I hear so many contrady stories about
the Grays. Yeah, they're very misunderstood. I think some of
them actually are leveling hyper robotic entities that may be
under control of reptilian races. But I hear some of

(38:19):
them are here to help us. So you've experienced primarily
the ones that are here to help or so they.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Say, well, yeah they're not they're not warm and fuzzy,
but and they're here. They're mainly here to help themselves
to our resources and such, but they are here secondarily
to to help the planet and to help us become
a more more sane and responsible race. Definitely, But I
disagree with people say that they're total scum, sucking evil.

(38:49):
I mean, I just I just haven't really experienced.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Do you think that there was an agreement with Eisenhower
and the z T for technology in exchange for human abduction.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, I think there was. I don't have any any
proof of that, but it certainly makes sense. I mean,
they had they had a big, a big to do
with UFOs over the White House in nineteen fifty two,
and they were trying to shoot and shoot them down
prior to that big time, and it sort of makes

(39:26):
sense that that somebody would have requested a meeting and
Eisenhower was actually missing during a couple of time periods
when people said they had a meeting with the Grays
at Patterson Air Force Base, it said that Kennedy met
with them too, And I was kind of mad that
they about them selling us out at first, but then

(39:48):
I figured, well what else? What else really could they
do that if they had not agreed to it, the
Grays would have just done it anyway, and they wouldn't
have gotten anything out of it. They wanted to get
technology out of it, at least.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
So what are your thoughts on what's happening now with disclosure.
There's i'd like to say, interesting things happening. I don't
know what direction they're trying to come with this, with
the Navy sidings and all the mainstream media talking about
UFOs and now this whole craze with storm Area fifty one,

(40:25):
it just seems like it's all happening at one time
more prevalent. Now, do you think that there's some sort
of agenda.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
There, Yeah, I think there always has. There always has
been two conflicting agendas and government about disclosure. The intelligence
agencies want to keep the alien presence under wraps forever,
and a lot of other government agencies want to disclose
or at least disclosed in a controlled manner after a
certain amount of time. And I think the Navy now

(40:54):
believes that that time has come and that we should
we should be seriously preparing the public for for disclosure,
and they have a lot of pull, and I think
that they and maybe some other government agencies have instituted
a push for this and said told the intelligence community
community that enough is enough, We're going to do this.

(41:17):
But yeah, several people have told me that that there's
more of a push for disclosure right now than ever before.
And it was really kind of abrupt because just like
two years ago, we were in the midst of another
crackdown on talking about UFO. So it goes in cycles,
but this cycle appears to be it appears to be
different according to what I've heard, and that that we

(41:40):
may actually get disclosure at the end of it this time.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Do you think that we will see it within I
don't know how to say the next five years.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, there's a good chance. I'm not going to say
it for sure, but I think there's maybe a fifty
good chance we'll see disclosure within five years.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Now.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
What are your thoughts on what's happening with Trump? Do
you know I I don't really follow politics. I never
trusted the presidents. I always believe there are puppets. But
you know, like I tell people, I do see something
with Trump that I haven't seen before. I just don't
know if there's another agenda behind that, you know, a

(42:20):
hidden agenda behind the agenda. It's so hard to tell.
With with everything that's happened. What are your thoughts. Do
you think he's on our side and he's trying to
get the ball rolling in the right direction for us?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump Trump in part
started this latest push towards disclosure. I know his I
believe it was. His father was heavily involved in in
UFO research from within the government, and he knows all
about all about this stuff, and I think that he's not.

(43:00):
Part of the reason that people are so against him
is that in the media because he's not a puppet,
or at least he's not nearly as much of a
puppet as the last few presidents we've had, and that
worries a lot. And these people in the so called
deep state are very worried about him who he's, from
their point of view, loose cannon, and he wants to
put things back the way they were.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
So do you see do you see a victory for him?
Do you think we're still going to keep going in
that same direction.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
As far as disclosure or.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
As far as the election. Do you think that he
has a chance that we're going to keep moving in
that direction?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Do I think he's going to get re elected? You
mean or yeah, yes, I believe it will get re elected.
I think that people, that the deep state people are
not going to be able to counter the groundswell of
positive public opinion about Trump improving the economy and trying
to stop this agenda of giving all power to illegal

(44:03):
aliens and and and all that sort of thing that
they've been doing this crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Now as far as all these other agendas, these you know,
these hidden agendas to you know, you see it. I'm
trying to dumb us down through the media. Very suspect
of five G. I don't believe that it's going to
be just for faster download speeds. I believe that there's
some malevolent purposes behind that. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Oh, I totally agree. I mean, I've seen indications from
what I've been from from my research that five G
can be weaponized and can be used to spy on people,
and can be used to do mind control and several
other things. And that's the reason the government's pushing for it.

(44:58):
So are it's not to down load PDF files faster
than than we can do now. Everybody, including Trump and
government wants five year. They're just salivating for it, and
to the point where they're willing to launch like a
trillion dollars worth of new satellites in order to support it.

(45:18):
And this is in spite of the fact that it's
known for sure that radiation in that wave band is
terrible for you and they're planning on bathing the planet
and low levels of high gigurts tarts radiation, and nobody
knows what effect I'll have.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
It can't be good, definitely. Now, as far as our
secret space program, a lot of the UFOs that do
you believe that those are actual off planet crafts or
do you think that's a lot of our military.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I think most of them are alien. My personal opinion
is that most of them are are alien, but maybe
a third of them or are ours. The percentage of
ones that are ours is probably going to continue to increase.
It's definitely increased since the nineteen sixties and seventies. They

(46:22):
reportedly perfected the anty gravity craft to the point where
it was pretty safe and can carry large loads and
such around then around the mid nineties. So they have
now a fleet of any gravity powered spacecraft. And a

(46:43):
Congressman from Alaska during that that hearing on disclosure that
they that they that Steve Bassett held in Washington, d C.
Actually admitted that during the proceedings.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Now, as far as the the alien species, the Grays,
for instance, they have an agreement that they can't intervene
with anything in our planet?

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well, I think there's a there's like an alien un
where all the powerful alien species interact, and I think
they've got got a rule that they cannot, you know,
interfere in primitive planets unless they have local government approval.
And the Grays now have local government approval to do

(47:35):
certain things. But I don't think they can do anything
they want down here. Even still, I think they're also
there's subject to the will of other powerful alien species.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Now, have you seen an increase in implants since you
first started researching this?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
It's hard to say. I know that that most people
that to see me have implants, because that's a that's
a totally, very highly enriched, pre selected sample of people
towards having implants or abduction activity. But as far as

(48:16):
an increase in in abduction and the prevalence of implants
in the general population, I think so, But I don't
don't I don't know. I don't know how to how
to prove that. We'd have to do a study involving

(48:36):
a large number of people to prove that. Certainly the
number of UFO sightings has gone up, and most likely
most most of those UFO sightings are abduction related. I mean,
I have reasonably. They fly thousands of sorties a day
for supporting the abduction program.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Now, do you think that it's possible that we will
have disclosure from them and not it won't come from us.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, it's possible. It's quite possible. I know. I've been
saying that for years, that that the Aliens are going
to disclose themselves eventually if we don't. And it's possible
if the Aliens give them an ultimatum that they've got
to disclose or or or we will, and that would
certainly get the ball rolling, don't I don't know that
for a fact, but it's possible.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Very interesting now, Steve, I want to thank you again
so much for coming on tonight, and could you give
everybody your websites before you head out.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah. Sure, it's it's www dot Alien Evidence, Inc. I
n C dot webs dot com. And it needs a
little work at present, but it's got a couple of
papers on it on my implant and patient sixteen's implant

(49:59):
that I think people that are scientifically minded would find
very interesting. Both of them were sophisticated nanotechnological devices with
large amounts of carbon nanotubes in the interior, and I
urge everybody to take a look at those and there's
there's ample evidence from my analysis that both the those

(50:22):
pieces were from off planet.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Very good, and I want to thank you so much
again for coming on tonight, Steve, and you have an
excellent rest of your night.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Okay, you too, and thank you for inviting me tonight.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I want to welcome back to the show, host of
the Steiger Perspective, founder of sixty Seconds for Humanity, and
our favorite philosopher, Wayne Steiger. How you doing tonight, Wayne.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Well, doing well? Thank you for having me back on, Chris.
How are you?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Oh, I'm good. I want to thank you again for
joining us. It's always a pleasure always have a great conversation.
And you have been on a few times. But you
know I've got some new subscribers since then, so just
give us a brief bit about what brought you down
your current path.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, I think you know, I was much like everybody else.
Everyone wants success, you know, that's how you look at life,
and mine was in that course. I had a course
planned out and you know, went that way. Was you know,

(51:30):
devout Christian or at least that's what I you know,
proclaimed like everybody else, and then I don't know, it began,
I guess for myself back in the early nineties, for myself,
as things begin well, this beginning, they did not add up.

(51:50):
They were more well, let's say, ambiguous in the structure.
Long story. Short after the the New Millennium, things just
began to accelerate. And I don't know, I call it
coming out of the godspell. And I suddenly realized that

(52:11):
I had spent the majority of my life energy pursuing
worthless pursuits. You know, wealth, money, status, social it's what
everyone strives for. And I think I just got fortunate
enough that was woke up, realized that Christianity was a

(52:35):
false religion. And when you have basically that safety net,
because that's what religion does for you, It's a safety net.
You know, if everything else goes to hell in the handbasket,
doesn't matter. I got my religion, and you know, when
you don't have that, you know, then all of a sudden,
the trap door opens and you go crap. So it

(52:58):
causes you to really begin to seek out, Well, well,
then what is the purpose? What is your purpose? Why
are you here? How is this all related? For what purpose?
You know? And I tell people today, you know, it's
they say, well, do you believe in God? And I said, well,

(53:18):
I both don't believe in God, and I both believe
in God. I believe that there is something above God.
All gods are a man construct. And I contend that
if there is a God that you know out of
my religion, well they have they been really scarce, particularly
last two thousand years, no evidence. So I have pursued

(53:44):
the one thing that I think most people fear, Chris death.
And so when you don't have the religion anymore for guidelines,
you have to begin to look at it. As I
tell people, no one gets out of this life alive.
It just doesn't happen. And so we all are hoping

(54:06):
that there's a transmutation of consciousness, of our memories, our
existence into something else. And that's what I've dedicated my
life to now.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
So that brings us perfectly into one of the first
things I want to talk about. What are we here
for in your experience? I mean, is this some kind
of you know, training ground for the next level? I mean,
are we just some sick experiment for some alien species?

(54:41):
Are we just a hologram? Are we projecting everything as
we go, are we creating our own reality? I mean,
what do you think is really going on with our
existence here?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
So I've been reading some great books. You just bring up.
The Holographic Universe by Michael Tablet Talbot is a required reading,
I think for everyone, and you know Michael Newton, Doctor
Newton's book The Journey of the Souls is another one.
And I'm conflicted in both of the aspects. Number One,

(55:19):
I think we do live in a hologram. I think
we live in the idea or the thought of something
greater than ourselves. It comes into that whole question, all right,
So do you believe in prophecy? You know, that's what
I used to Well, then that lends itself to predestination.
And if you believe in predestination, then really free will

(55:43):
has very little to play in it because ultimately the
predestination of destiny will be played out. And that is
a matrix. That is what a matrix is. And I
don't like that. I don't like that construct. I don't
like the idea of somehow another coming back over and

(56:05):
over again to somehow learn some sort of uh you know,
karmic uh lesson. You know, I don't like I have
a problem with that, But Chris, I also have a
problem with the fact that one lifetime is not enough.
It's just not enough. So what is the purpose? You

(56:28):
know that The thing that I challenge all of my
listeners to is to answer the following question, where does
your thought originate from? Where does your thought?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I mean, let me ask you, where does your thought
originally create consciousness? Or does consciousness create what? You know?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
We manifest Recently, uh, there was in physicians I forget
which magazine it was in, but they have made a
breakthrough in more understanding of the brain itself, and it
appears that our brain actually exists in multiple dimensions. Now

(57:13):
that brings on a whole lot of interesting things the brain.
You know, the very basic rudiment of our brain is
the reptilian stem, and then you get into the hippocampus,
and then you get into the lobes and when you
look at the panal gland. I contend that if consciousness

(57:39):
exists in a tangible manifestation, which would be our brain,
that brain is emitting an electrical signal. I think it's
four point eight amps. We know that the neurons in

(58:02):
our brains are actually surrounded by electromagnetic fields, So each
thought that is generated is transformed to the nuclei of
this neuron, which is quite fascinating when you look at
the structure of them, and then then to know that
these neurons interact only to a destination that they are

(58:26):
designed for, and all the other trillions of neurons that
they meet they reject until it hits to the right point.
And the question becomes, so does spirit soul? Is that
what we define consciousness as is that the soul is
that the spirit essence of what makes you, Chris, you, me, myself.

(58:52):
The thing the reality is is that you and I
do not exist in the same reality. We share a
like reality, but I can never occupy your space and
you can never occupy mind.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
And being attached to our body, there's so many things
that our consciousness can do for our bodies that ancients
have tapped into that we have long since lost. And
it seems like you know, they're you know, those in

(59:27):
power are trying to suppress those natural abilities that consciousness
has to give us.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yeah, And to amplify your point, here's the thing that
I challenge all people with is that if you pray,
a lot of people do I used to. I still meditate.
Now what you're doing is simply practicing telepathic communication. And there's,

(01:00:00):
you know, the way to answer that. You can't refute
me on this. And if you think you're hearing from God,
then guess what you've connected to a greater consciousness that
now the two of you are communicating telepathically.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Well, that brings us to the spirit world. That brings
us to communication with something other than humans, possibly, whether
it be interdimensional beings or another version of humanity. Whether
the ancients really were communicating, they believed it. Some of

(01:00:40):
our people in power today believe in this. So there
has got to be something too, a communication with a
spirit world.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I absolutely agree with you. I am reading this book
called Multidimensional Man by Jurgen Ziewey, and it's a fascinating book.
He really gets into a lot of what the journey
of the souls. You know, I used to be afraid
of death. Most people are. My wife works in the

(01:01:14):
medical industry and in her field, a lot of people
pass on and there is a syndrome that virtually, I
can tell you most of your listeners will most likely
encounter unless they get over it. It's called the death syndrome.

(01:01:35):
And this is what happens to people because they're so
afraid of dying that they become into an agitated state.
Their spirit literally becomes agitated to where it affects the
physical body. And what they have to do is basically
give drugs to quiet that person's mind down so that

(01:01:57):
the separation process can take place. So spirits do they exist? Well,
I think you have to get into this whole thing
once I begin to face death and look at it.
If death exists, in which it obviously does, because that's
how we're getting out. Death has to be alive. Do

(01:02:22):
you think about that. I mean, if it's a spirit
of death, then that spirit is alive. It can't be dead.
So I, particularly in the Western culture and civilization, we're
taught to fear death from the minute you're born to

(01:02:44):
the minute you get to your grave. You're you're You're
taught to fear that because in essence, what it's saying
is that you're not going to exist after that. And
that's why when you and I first started talking about
the whole process, is consciousness trands me you to dead death?
I don't know now. I contend that there are spirits.

(01:03:08):
I believe that we all have spirit guides. We're on
a journey. And you know, reality, Chris is based upon
five inputs. Three are chemical, two are electrical, and that's
what we sense with everything of reality of our brains.

(01:03:30):
We sense the chemical around us that inputs what we
considered to be taste, et cetera. And then you look
at the electrical input, which is thought sight. That's what
reality is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Now. Earlier you were talking about how you don't want
to be basically recycled, you don't want to come back
or you know, reincarnation. What are your thoughts on that?
Do you think that our consciousness is basically placed back
here until we learn what we're supposed to learn in

(01:04:08):
this life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Well, according to doctor Newton, and he has, you know,
thirty plus years of his practice in doing what they
call a regression hypnosis. And in this book here he
gives thirty different case histories, people who did not know

(01:04:30):
each other, not even anything close. But the uncanny thing
is is that they all reported virtually the same thing.
So this gets a little weird. What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
They contend that when we leave our bodies, we are
in a state of shock. The same way that we
were in a state of shock. When we're born. You
can only be born once. You cannot endure the experience
of what we call the human birth process, it'll kill you.

(01:05:07):
So when you depart your body, and sometimes people have
that fear is so embedded that it literally freezes their
spirits when they depart the body, and it takes them

(01:05:30):
sometimes a while to begin to accept it. Now there's
others who they say are old souls that are about
to get promotion. Apparently the progression is is that there
is a progression. I'm a teacher. That's what I have
always been, apparently, and now according to these different patients,

(01:05:55):
when you get there, there is a pool that begins
that they say is it comes from almost like here,
and it pulls you. There's an energy force and it's
one that once you tap into it, they say that
it's the most peaceful thing. It's many of them describe

(01:06:19):
it as like a warm blanket coming out of the dryer.
And that we go back and we're actually all part
of tribes. There's no more than twenty in a tribe
or a pod, and each pod or tribe has a teacher.

(01:06:43):
And as we go through these life for aggressions. It
is our progressions. It's apparently our choice, but you have
to do it in order to progress. Now, that's what
this says, and there's a lot more to it. There
is no God in the sense of what the Judeo

(01:07:04):
Christian or the Islamic or the Vedic projections of what
God or God's are. There is something that permeates everything
in the spirit realm. It's everywhere. Everyone knows it, everyone
is aware of it. There is apparently a higher counsel.

(01:07:28):
Each of us apparently do go before and given accounting.
But it's not a prosecutical procedure. It's actually one that
they say is interactive and engaging. Well, look at this
situation that you faced in your life. Why did you
make those decisions when you knew that you had ultimate

(01:07:48):
other choices? Why did you choose that particular path? Those
are the type of things. The whole thing of what
they say about karma is not what is there. There
is nothing that's transferable. There are those spirits. They say

(01:08:11):
that they become contaminated and they have to be segregated
from the other souls, and they're kind of put into
a place much to akin to what they created here,
and we're talking about murderers. We're talking about those who

(01:08:32):
find cruelty. They go into what they call an extensive
rehab program. Basically what is So that's one thought. Now
you read Zawi's book, and I've experienced myself through the
use of LSD back in the seventies of astro projection,

(01:08:55):
got very good at that, and I saw a different
type of realm. I saw a realm where there were
many spirits, various sizes, various looks. But I do know
that there is something that's tangible and real. So I'm

(01:09:18):
sorry for taking up the time, but that kind of
gives you the concentric view of what there seems to
be awaiting all of us. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Well, let's take that a little bit deeper. Now, going
beyond the spirit world, what about entities that may have
always been here, arconic entities or what some may call
demonic entities. You know, entities of nature are something that
is beyond our dimension, that may have always been around

(01:09:53):
and could possibly be influencing humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
It's interesting. F Paul Wilson uh great, great science fiction writer.
He has a book called Night World. I recommend it,
but in his books he describes what he calls the otherness.
This is a consciousness that they're indifferent. They really don't

(01:10:27):
care humanity. It's consciousness, it's essence, Its energy is something
to be prized. But it's like, all right, the thing
gets you fine, if it gets you fine, And that
kind of puts us into a whole plane. I contend, Chris,

(01:10:51):
no matter the greatest philosophers, the greatest christ conscious Buddhas,
whatever you want to say, that have been here, I
don't even think they broached what is still yet for
us to even conceive. I agree with you. I think

(01:11:12):
there is something I think Chris, that it's not good
and evil that is so finite. If that's where people's
whole construct of their reality is predicated on good evil, Yeah,
you know, you're going to be the uberus all over.
You're going to be in a continual You're going to

(01:11:33):
be eating your own tail. That's what it's going to be.
That's insanity, and isn't isn't insanity defined an experiment that
you'd continue to do the same experiment over and over
again expecting a different result. Right, Well, then where does reincarnation.
There was a guy and I believe it was that

(01:11:55):
cal Tech did a calculation experiment and you said, well,
let's just go back and if you take the Adam
and Eve store right now, no one does, but you
have to go with some baseline. Where the hell did
all the souls come from? Seriously, I mean we're coming

(01:12:18):
in the back door somewhere. I mean, come on, you know,
so something's going on here? I mean are we being
set up? Not set up that's the wrong word. Are
we anticipating something on a cosmic scale that you have
to have gone through this process in order to absorb

(01:12:40):
or to be able to move forward. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
That's very interesting, And you know you mentioned it earlier.
One of the things, the hugest things that holds everybody
back as a planet is religion. I believe that it
was created to enslave and keep us separate and at war,

(01:13:06):
because to me, if there is a deity that requires worship,
that's just a big red flag there. To me, I
don't see why if it has infinite love that it
would require your worship. And you know, what are your
thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Oh? You know, so I was a devoted Christian. I
mean I was one of those people that supported Kenneth Copeland.
I was in the Word of faith cult is what
I would call it. So I believed in this Old
Testament God that uh and it never was explained how

(01:13:44):
it left one covenant and then started another new covenant.
But that's where I believed at And when I finally
realized that a the story of the christ crucifixion ever happened,
it it's you know, we can go into that in death.
But here's the problem. So we have right this. You

(01:14:07):
see this plaque right here, This plaque right here is
First Corinthians thirteen four through eight. You know, I have
it up there because if I ever meet the God
that that wrote, that's a god I can dig. I
tell people there isn't a God I've met in this
world that I like. How can I so called worship

(01:14:30):
of God that I don't even like? And this Christian God, well,
that's the problem. The Christians never had a god. They
had to steal a god from a conquered people that
you know were listen, the Hebrew God was not the
god of the world. That at the same time that

(01:14:51):
the Hebrews were coming about, we had the Samaran gods.
But no one wants to talk about that. So where
did this Hebrew god come from from? And what made him?
Suddenly that the cat who gives ten commandments, who says
thou shalt not kill. But yet in the very next book,
he's commanding these Hebrews to commit genocide, to cut fetuses

(01:15:17):
out of pregnant women's bodies, and to crush the skulls,
and and and and and it gets even worse than
that then, and you're reading the book of Deuteronomy, it's
there and Exodus is that. Then the women, the young girls,
they're sold into the sex slavery to satisfy the lust

(01:15:40):
of the Hebrew soldiers. This is a hell of a
loving god. And somehow another we make this freaking miraculous
jump to this some alien hybrid that supposedly rapes a
twelve year old girl, inseminates her with alien DNA that

(01:16:03):
produces a hybrid human that somehow another is supposed to
deliver us from what I don't know, but claims to
be the direct descendants of a Hebrew god.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
No, yeah, it does seem that there's two different gods
that we're dealing with between the Old and New Testament.
There's just so much I mean, war he would you know,
a god that would command war or for you to
kill somebody, or or any kind of death. It doesn't

(01:16:39):
make sense that that is would be a loving creator.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
No, and mean pet what now I was gonna? You know,
And the dedication of Solomon's temple, they slaughtered bulls, rams, goats, lambs.
They said for eight days straight that the blood flowed

(01:17:05):
out of the temple into the streets. Now I never
saw that when I was in that religion. Communion is
nothing more than symbolism for cannibalism. It really is. You
can give me all the esoteric teachings behind it. I

(01:17:27):
get it, but let's get real serious about that's what
it is. So I don't dig any god that requires
a blood sacrifice me drinking blood. No, I renounced that God.
I renounced this Jesus character because it never existed, you know.
And here's my challenge to your listeners who are Christians.

(01:17:50):
So here is three questions. I asked, Number one, which
genius that's g n Us of man Homo sinned against God?
Was it Neanderthal, Chromagna, Dennison, sapiens sapiens? Which one? All right,

(01:18:15):
now let's continue. So the next question, so God is
a Christian. Yes, No. The next one the ambiguity of
this supposed savior, the true name of the Christ. You know,
it's real interesting. In the Gospel of John, they go

(01:18:36):
to great links while this fictitious person as they painted
the scene, and actually it's Francis Bacon who really did
the job, did a great job on it. But I
digress of a supposed crucifixion, and at the moment of
departure of death, the individual on this torture chamber, Rack

(01:19:00):
says in the Hebrew tongue, you know, my God, my God.
Wile host Alfrid say they did it from the English
to the Hebrew. But yet prior to that one chapter,
prior to that, supposedly pontious pilot had them put above

(01:19:20):
the cross the three names of this Zamasiah. What are
those three names? They don't exist, They're not in the book.
Wouldn't that clear up all the ambiguity, all the arguments.

(01:19:41):
And here's what the bottom line of it is, Chris Man,
Homo sapiens sapiens are the only species that does not
know the moment of our creation, the moment we came
into existence. Contend it's because of this amnesia that all

(01:20:04):
religion has been founded on. If we knew our true origins,
there would be no need for a religion period.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Well, there would be no need for a lot of things.
I mean, it would change, It would change our whole
reality if we actually knew what we are, where we
came from. I have an interview tomorrow with doctor Lorraine Day.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with her. She
cured herself of cancer and she helps others, but she

(01:20:34):
just does it with her diet and positively. She cured
herself basically with her with her diet and her her
power of thought, and anybody can do this. We can
do this for ourselves. But they don't want us doing
this because they want us sick, They want us not
paying attention to what's going on. They want us wrapped

(01:20:55):
up in our phones and the technology and the newest
stupid shows that are on TV. Because if we had
this ability to heal ourselves, and you know, the probable
free energy that we could have, all these things, you know,
it would ruin It would ruin the world for the
ones in control, you know, we live.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
I on my channel, we're going through magic, teaching the
whole science of magic. Magic in the literal translations, was
called science but anyone. So the conundrum we have here
is us us homo sapiens sapiens. When they did the

(01:21:38):
human geno project, one that was a radical The church
still hasn't addressed it don't want to because when the
human genome was mapped out, we found out something about us.
We're hybrids. There is no such thing as a true
human being. They still you know, no one likes the

(01:22:03):
fact that we may have come from Ape man man,
that was Ape. But yet no one wants to explain
how you get the rhesis hemoglomin in our blood? How
did that get there? It's in us, it's not. And
then to make it stranger, nearly and we thought initially

(01:22:26):
it was a smaller percentage. It's nearly seven percent of
this foreign DNA that they don't know where it comes from.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Call it junk dna.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Yeah, and now they're finding the interesting thing about the
junk DNA. They're doing the human geno project too, the
madiochondrial DNA, the feminine. Holy crap, this supposed junk DNA.
Something ain't right, man. Somebody came into the kitchen and
snuck something into the recipe.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Yeah, and you know, I know they know this, and
I think that's why they're spraying what they spray in
the air. I think that's why they're putting what they
put in the food. We can't eat healthy anymore. It's
almost impossible. Everything is contaminated. It's very hard to find
anything natural nowadays. They don't want us accessing our natural

(01:23:24):
abilities and powers. And yes, magic is real and we
have the ability to tap into it because it's part
of our universe. But they don't want us doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
No, And you know the thing that you bring up,
So I was really a guy that you know, I
have an identic memory. So I see, I remember everything
that I read, and so I knew the Bible front
winder and backwards, and I knew about faith. If there's

(01:23:55):
one thing that I took from my religion was I
knew the power of faith individually. Many stories I've read
of people who in the Book of Proverbs it says
laughter doeth the heart as a good medicine. I have
read accounts of individuals who had basically a death sentence

(01:24:20):
on their heart muscle. They had such advanced coronary disease
that on two occasions they absolutely laughed themselves to a
new heart. Now how does the body regenerate organs? But
we're finding out now that in our genetic code we

(01:24:45):
have the ability to do that. Yeah, I mean, you
know me. I'll share other stories. So I worked these
camp meetings crusades, like I said, with Kenneth Copeland, some
with other evangelists, and we would have healing services. And

(01:25:14):
you know, particularly when you have someone you know, an
evangelist that's coming through, you know there's this number I
can mention. But so with Kenneth Copeland Crusades Saturday morning
was healing school. And I could tell you, Chris, people
with cancer, I mean, every disease you can imagine. If

(01:25:37):
you ever were at an Earl Roberts camp meeting, you'd
see this. And I was the thing that the reason
why those people got healed wasn't the fact that it
was in the name of Jesus, wasn't the fact of
the guy laying hands on you. It was that those
people came ready to receive their faith is all ready

(01:26:01):
as far as they were concerned, All they needed was
that point of contact and they were gonna get healed.
It was already a foregone conclusion. That you could have
had Mickey Mouse up there and it would have produced
the same results. That's the amazing thing we have about
these bodies. This bind, this brain, this mind can heal

(01:26:26):
these bodies. So you're right, they don't want people to
know that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
No, And then the saddest part is the doctors are
ruled by the pharmaceutical companies and you know you can't
get there. They're not gonna stand up for which right.
So unfortunately you have to do your own research and
heal yourself because you can't. You know, you can't expect
the doctor to do it because every doctor, at least

(01:26:52):
I've come across, seems to be corrupt.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Seven out of ten of Americans are on a prescription.
Out of ten. We have so many antidepressants, antipsychotic antidepressants
that our population has been prescribed, that we've contaminated the
drinking water. We have so much estrogen that we've put

(01:27:16):
into these prescriptions as well. Now here's the strange thing
that you don't people don't stop and think about. Every
pill that you take is a chemical compound design to
alter the natural enzymes, acids that you have, proteins in

(01:27:38):
your body. Now I find it interesting that when you
look at the mentally insane, that what they have found
is by altering chemical balances within the brain itself that
it shuts down what I call these portals, the voices,

(01:28:01):
the you know, the odd physical behavior, et cetera. No
different than the healing services. It's the same principle.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
So you think that it could be possible that people
that we're hearing voices, you know, it may not mean
that they're necessarily crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
But these no no i contend to bise minimal mind.
It's a great book to read. By the way, this
guy's whole theory was this, if spirits exist, then their
existence is only a minute variation of energy, internal time plan,

(01:28:50):
You and I, everyone else in this reality. The one
thing that we do have common, it's almost like we've
been tagged, is that we all generate this same time
code frequency. It's what causes us to exist here. Now
you alter that time code forward or backward, speed it up,

(01:29:12):
slow it down, you phase out of this reality. Now
that gets into a very interesting thing. Then if one
of my favorite philosophers of the first century was Philo Filo,
in his writings of Moses and the Cosmos, wrote that

(01:29:34):
God is a god of creation, it's not a god
of waste. And that if there is a god that
is creating all the time, there cannot be one space,
as he said, one cubit that would not have a
life form in it. The Indians Native Americans believe that

(01:30:00):
the trees have spirits. In fact, many cultures do that
spirits and habit forced. We can just go on and on. Yeah,
so I contend this does happen. It is real. Uh
As I've been teaching people on sigils, Chris, we live

(01:30:21):
in a world of sigils. Every car manufacturer has a
sigil on it, every corporation has a sigil, every government
has a sigil, every religion has a sigil. And I
I'm becoming more aware we really do live in Alice
in Wonderland. We live in a world of magic.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
It's all hidden in plain sight. And I don't know
if you've noticed, but I've noticed a lot more TV shows,
movies a cult based. They're they're they're pushing witchcraft. Uh more,
occult shows like that. I've noticed that a lot lately.
I don't know if it's some sort of preparation, but

(01:31:06):
there's a lot of other stuff going on too that
I'd like to talk about. But have you noticed that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Yeah, I tell you this. There is an article out
today that said that more people are replacing God with
et with aliens. Now, that is very interesting, And the
problem is is that the religions themselves are their worst enemies.

(01:31:34):
You know, I tell people, you know why I left Christianity.
It failed the background check. I put the resume and
started looking at the references. They weren't matching up. And
that's the problem. It's framed. It's just like the pope
today changes the Lord's prayer. Yeah, of that, I don't

(01:31:57):
know what's the matter of pope? Two thousand year years
isn't enough to figure it out that Oh, now we're
going to get the real intent. Well then what the
hell have we been reading? And why? Because they screwed up?
And Chris, here's the thing what Christians don't realize. I
never realized there were four other gods they tried in

(01:32:19):
Christianity in the early days, really Bacchus, Dianaeus, and one
other god. They failed. It didn't have anything. The problem
was just like we now discovered, well, there's two different
gods here that you're talking about. You know, you got

(01:32:41):
this one that God that says he's jealous and vengeful.
Now you got this one with this cat walking around
saying that he represents the Father. Well, you know, the
Father was never part of Judaism. So where the hell
did Father come from? You know where it came from.
It came from gnosticism, It came from the hell in
this influences and take baptism. Where did baptism ever become

(01:33:04):
part of Judaism? Then you're telling me you're opening the
story with some guy called John the Baptist. You know
what they would have done with him, They just stone him.
He would have been considered a heretic calling Godfather. There's
no such thing in the Judaic mindframe. But we bought it,

(01:33:29):
and all it's done is separate us. It's caused more
people to die. You know, you said something earlier when
we started on this. If we didn't have religion, I
dare say that man would be far more advanced in
his consciousness of development than what we could ever begin.

(01:33:50):
I think that we would have breaken the need for
what I call the spoken language.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
It does seem that we had a much more effective
way of communicating through symbols in ancient times because they
could hold so many different meanings if you knew how
to look at it in the right way.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
Chris spot On, you know, as I as I've done
my study and you start studying in Kabbalaistic mythology on
the Judaism side, Moses, do you know what the true
what Moses literally translates magi magician. So Moses, which is

(01:34:37):
moshi means magician. Well, if you follow the story, well
that would make sense if he was considered to be
Pharaoh's son. He would have been, and he went into
what we would call the ministry, the temple priest. He
learned the ancient Nolg we call it magic. They say

(01:35:03):
that what most she did with Abenezer was that they
were able to open up portals by rearranging the sigels
of a certain language and by placing these siduals in
a certain way. It invoked these spirits. Now, there is

(01:35:27):
one theory that says out there that that's exactly what Tutmos,
who would have been in fact Pharaoh's son, the half son,
That's exactly what he did. That what he stole from
Pharaoh's temple was the most powerful of the ability to

(01:35:49):
pull in manifestations of deities from different planes, and it
is said that this deity that Tutmos Moses hauled out
is what we get the story of the crossing of
the Red Sea, et cetera, et cetera. Very interesting, oh, fascinating,

(01:36:10):
and you know there's another one out there. I did
this on the Kibob and in what you when you
really begin to read, what the the the records that exist,
This god, this Hubrek god, is an alien. The key
Bob was its spaceship. Moses was more fascinating with the

(01:36:33):
spaceship than the deity. He also, Moses apparently also got contaminated,
uh with radiation by being too close to this thing.
It's it's a fascinating story.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
So all that being said, for the last few minutes,
where do you see humanity going? You know, some see uh,
you know, a mass awakening happening. According to the Yuga cycles,
we're in a we're in an up cycle towards you
a golden age. Some think that we're doomed, that we're

(01:37:08):
just gonna be so dumb down and destroyed by the
atmosphere and the food and water that we have no
hope and will just be eventually robot slaves. And then
there's the aspect of the planetary changes that we're seeing.
I mean, I saw an article today in mainstream news
estimating that humanity only has about twenty five years left

(01:37:31):
if we don't make changes to what they're calling, of course,
quote climate change. But I mean, where do you see
it all going? Do you think we have a chance?

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Tath that you said that, because I was getting material
for the Steiger perspective. Yes, I pulled out two of
DVDs in my library, number one remembering the end of
the world. It's already happened. From the Golden Age that
you talked about, and again the ancient cities of the
gods that we have recorded. We know that our ancestors

(01:38:03):
saw Saturn in the nighttime sky, that it actually was
called the Golden Light. I'll just be can't another short
time we have here? I think we are truly at
a crossroads. Transhumanism is advancing at such a rate. I
am more alarmed by that than anything else. I am

(01:38:25):
seeing the potential totalitarian crackdown on a level that we
haven't seen. All the indicators in the bond markets in
the future markets are pointing to something disastrous coming. I
mean something a big shock. I don't like what I
see putin and zing over there making a pact of

(01:38:48):
what's going on. What they're saying is that Iran in
the next six months will have a nuclear weapon. When
you see that the tech titans are pushing for immortalent
and pushing their despots, displayty and idea of their Vanna No, Chris,

(01:39:09):
I think that we are. I think there's going to
be a small amount of us that escape because it's overwhelming.
You know, we have the millennials, we have the Generation z's,
and now the new ones coming in which I don't
even know what they're called yet. But the Generation z's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
They're they're they're they're trapped.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Their their minds are gone. They spend more time on
their black mirror devices than they do anything else. They
can't think, they can't remember, they can't do any more
than what their phone or the latest social media has
them doing. This is alarming.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
We see going to one else's alarming. I had I
think three videos removed between today and yesterday for community guidelines.
They had to do with nine to eleven false flags.
I interviewed ole A Domaguard, doctor Fetzer. Those are all
gone now because of this new wave of censorship. It's

(01:40:12):
they're trying to shut everybody up. They don't want any
information about anything that they don't you know, they don't
control the narrative getting out.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I started being shadow band about
three months ago. My channel was growing, you know, fifteen
hundred two thousand a month, explosive, and now it's regressing.
I'm getting audits of supposed now of subscribers that they're

(01:40:42):
telling me that they're auditing my account, and suddenly thousands
of subscribers are gone. Yeah, this is scary. And I'm
just teaching philosophy magic.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Yeah, I mean, you would think the things that they're censoring.
I mean, there's got to be something to it if
they don't want us to hear it or see it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Well, I can tell you this, I know from talking
to some congress people. Yeah, let them keep on doing this.
There is there is such a backlash forming now with
both sides, Democrats and Republicans. This is the type of

(01:41:27):
stuff that is making the Democrats afraid because if you
see Google now beginning to put this listen, let's just
call it what it is. It's fascism. It's not socialism,
it's not communism. This is fascist.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
It's a modern day book burning.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Yeah, it's exactly what. It is, no different than taking
the witches out and burning them at the state, burning
the books, throwing them in the river and Constantinople. But
you know, this is what tell me, it's this not dictorialship.
Every person around the world should be very, very alarmed

(01:42:05):
by this. And so, answering your question, this is the
thing I'm not liking. I mean, I know, I try
to be as positive as I can, and I try
to edify people, but.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
So it's it's it's just such an enormous force that
happens to.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
My concern is is that it's going to be something
small that's going to start the spark. And I think
we're going to you know, you look at the corn futures.
I've been saying this now for the last two months.
Wait till the spike and prices hit this fall. Uh,

(01:42:48):
this is going to get crazy. That the balance of
what it takes to feed the world and what we're
producing now China in their bread basket, they're being hit hard.
All the bread basket sits around the world seem to
be I don't know, or ironically being affected by weather.

(01:43:09):
So you have give you the number you have. You
basically needs forty seven billion metric tons to feed the world.
This harvest this year is projected to be at forty
two so we have reserves. Yes, but remember this is
almost looking like Joseph in the Seven Years and I

(01:43:35):
hear I spent the whole hour just ding in the
whole Old Testament, you know. But hey, some of those stories,
you know, you got to walk away and go, well,
I don't know what to say. It looks familiar, doesn't
it right?

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
And you know that all being said, I think the
only thing we can do, you know, those of us
that are aware in a week, be good to ourselves,
make the change in ourselves we need to see. Be
good to everyone else. Be the best person you can be,
and you know, make your voices heard. If if you

(01:44:09):
don't like something, express it. Don't just sit there and
let things happen.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
I think if more people stood up against some of
this tyranny, that it would it would be may do something.
But no one's standing up except for the few of
us that already are.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
Well. I've had people say well, you know, Google has
the right to anything that No, No, that's where you're wrong.
If Google was a private company, that'd be a different story.
But Google is a publicly traded company. They took money
from the public markets. That gives them an obligation to
the United States, to its citizens to uphold the laws.

(01:44:47):
And this is blatant censorship that they're doing, and they're
going to get smacked. Listen. I think they're going to
be filed in the Justice Department for antitrust and time
monopolizing of data. I think you're going to see sweeping
indictments coming down to many of these CEOs, and Zuckerberg

(01:45:10):
is won. I'm going to tell you what. I'm hearing
stories in the Justice Department that Cat is going to
be indicted. And I've understood as well. Canada is thinking
about the same thing, so as Britain. He's basically given
him all the finger, you know, And this is the problem.
So I think there may be a day of justice. Yet,

(01:45:31):
Chris and watch Us be banned. This will probably be banned.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
This is going to be the show that does it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
For both of them. Exactly. They were a good channel
there at one time.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
You know, it was at least it was a good show,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
But it's true. It's true. It's it's and you know,
I don't know. You know, I'm not a trunk supporter
or a hater. You know. Listen, I didn't like the
last guy that was in there. I didn't like the
guy that was in there before. So you know, you
kind of just get used to this, you know, it's
just a different face me. Yeah, And you know, I'm

(01:46:11):
thinking to myself, you know, I play chess, I love strategy,
and I know something about the art of war. And
maybe you know, they listen to my radio show. I
know there's some congress people that listen. I'm going to
tell them, you know, you don't push your opponent into
a corner because when you push your opponent into a corner,

(01:46:35):
they no longer have any options. And that's when they
have no longer any options, it gets dangerous. I'll leave
it at that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
Yeah, very well, said Wayne. Thank you so much. That
was christ And of course you're gonna have to come
back on. You're probably the on the leader board right
now as it comes to return guests.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Well, thank you. It's an honor, Chris, I enjoy it.
It's I love your mind. It's it's open, it's a
free mind, and that's what it's going to take, you know.
It's the agility. I was thinking earlier, back in the day,
I was in ROTC and the drill sarck shit we had.

(01:47:21):
I still remember the Cat Collins and I can remember
him telling us and we were just we were just kids,
you know, ro OTC. You know, I didn't want to
go to Vietnam. And he said, the key to survival
is flexibility, adapting to the situation. That's what freethinkers do.

(01:47:45):
They adapt to the situation. Yeah, and you're a great freethinker, Chris,
you really are. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Thank you so much, Wayne. I appreciate that and I'll
look forward to the next one.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Let's do it, my friend. Absolutely well. You have a
great knife. All right, Thank you, Chris, Bye bye,

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