Week Ending 11/14/25 Rocco!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cold on. Oh my god, that's Hi. It's a Gwen
spotlight if you know what is, and then you're walking
the wrong show. It's for general until I'm James Jr.
And I'm on painkillers right now, so I'm feel little
spacy at the moment. It's just be a fun show.

(00:23):
But the man is gonna hold it down for us.
Today's Frank Miran.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Figures crossed.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're already laughing, already, Come on, Frank, we're right left, right,
He's just gonna hold down for today.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
There's never been a better chance of getting that shirt off.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
He's right, he's not that problem. Stop raining. The sun's
coming out all of a sudden over here. To stop raining.
It's supposed to rain again.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
This week or something supposedly tomorrow. There's a ninety.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Because right now it's getting sunny all of a sudden.
It's kind of weird. Hi guys, sorry about Hi Delhi.
High beauty for ashes, high share by saying hi to us,
come on in the water is fine. The gates are open.
As we say, I'm beyond the gates. The gates are open.
We are here. If you're looking for separate Okay, So
how to explain this for all the audio listeners. There

(01:19):
is one show is it's okay? Now, my god, I'm
totally on drugs. Okay. We recorded one long show like
we did last week, and now we got almost seven
hundred views. You guys stuck with this for two and
a half hours. I can believe it. So we did
the CBS soaps again. It's just one big show. We

(01:40):
start talking about Beyond the Gates, then about the hour
and were talking about Young and the Restless, and then
about an hour after that we was just talking about
about Bone and Beautiful. So we did cover all three
soaps today on one show. So when you come here,
let's look for one show. Now, if you are Beyond
the Gates fan, if you are a Y and R fan,

(02:01):
if you are a Bold fan, I've uploaded that one
show to each one. So where a fan you are
as a listener, just go to that after a show
if you like that way, and you can listen to it.
So all three of the same show. Don't go to
all three of them and go why is it the
same show? It's all the same show to one thing?

(02:22):
Does that doesn't make any sense, Frank at all?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
It does, And that's smart. I mean bringing it to
each after show so fans will have no way of
missing it. Yes, and then they get to go in
the appropriate amount of time for whichever show they want
to listen to. In particular, be Frank.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
You're saving the show already. That's what I was trying
to say and could get it out. Yeah, that's what
I'm trying to say. I felt black.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
There you go, just for the fans since it's two
weeks in the row, you know, to get into of
that JLJ media programming talk which I know people love.
Is this the wave of the future for the CBS
shows is kind of doing all one thing.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's coming out of a problem child. Amanda hasn't been
with us for the last month and a half and
not telling us until last minute. That's your chief for today.
So we have had me and Candae and Tammy. We
have had to scramble and figure this out. So but
it's turning out to be something positive. Actually because people

(03:25):
I said I was senative, viewers watched the last one,
so it did kind of work. And Frank is so eloquent. Yes,
I tell you savings, He's saving today and we just
we have big talk afterwards going in the future. We
have some couple of plans just in case because a
Manda could come back next weekend. We don't know, so

(03:46):
we don't know yet, so we're trying to figure. But
we know this is an option that people have enjoyed
and so called a CBS sympothon kind of. But we'll
see and that's we'll see how but we are logic
is a lot of folks watched the CBA block or
at least two of the three shows, so it seems
to have worked. So that's that's the thing there. Also,

(04:08):
did you guys know I hope we got the email
Frank of our new holiday schedules the holidays holidays, So folks,
we'll be here next weekend, but not the following weekend,
that's Thanksgiving weekend. I will be in Sacramento eating some
misched food or something I don't mean by then, and
then way back the first three Sundays of December and

(04:30):
then that's it until January eleventh, twenty twenty six. It
could be later. We'll he you posted. So that's that's
kind of our So we're on. They were off that
we're on, then we're off.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I get it. I get it. I had it right here.
He pulled up the jail JA the official JLJ media email.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
There it is. It is glory, it says glory. I
will miss Frank, of course, each of those till Sundays.
I'm not with you. So it's that's all you need
to know. Also, I know he's just it's be horrible.
We're gonna be away for each other till next year.
But Frank, let's hope that twenty twenty six ay better

(05:14):
than this year.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, that would be nice.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yes, so, and hopefully my team will be in the
playoffs heading towards suit bawl. He's done it before, Frank
and failed. We're doing it for James different.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Y.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yes, a little side note. Also, Tony Moore is the
same schedule, so addition days the same thing, but they're
on today Tony my talking twins at Bravo con in
Las Vegas, so he's not in today, but his corporates
are on today. What it apparent days of our lives.
It's really celebrating his sixtieth anniversary with lots of flashbacks,

(05:56):
lots and lots and lots of flashbacks.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
James, no, Bravo Country you.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm not broad person, anymore. I used to be. I
stopped watching all this stuff. It's all manufactured, and I
don't like Andy Cohen, so oh, thank you. I'm good.
But Tony Sin's had all that stuff. I'm not that
stuff anymore. I grew out of it.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I mean, they're bringing back Jeff Lewis.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's not I'm not gonna bring me back either. You know,
I didn't know I did enjoy his neurotica ass I
did on some level back there. He's a nightmare and
I kind of enjoyed it back then. But I'm too
old now, Frank, I don't like any handle anymore. Let's
you mean about Bethany. That's my girl, Bethany Frankel. Yeah,
but he did announce Micky Gumfelson's claim back for the

(06:39):
twentieth season of Real Housewives of Orange County. She's the
og the OC. I almost want to watch it, almost almost,
but yes, anyway, So he's just what they're out there
off but have the same schedule we do, so so
when we're off thing, we off also. So just I'm

(06:59):
sorry you guys. Uh. Secondly, as you got to be
mentioned in the chat, the new Genie Francis state of
mind was out. I having on my little computer to
watch later. It's part one.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh well, somebody of her status you can't containd It's
just in one episode.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
At all at all. So I'm looking forward to that
to you. Also, James Lott Junior and Tammy dot Covea
sat down on her new show called La Off the Record.
It's on her channel. Tammy Govea not online on her channel.
We filmed in the studio and I'm actually, you know,
I'm not really smart smart I am how did.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
She snag you? Because that's well, you know, we're all
are sold.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
She bought me and it worked. I found time, found time, Frank,
And it's a good interview. Actually it's an hour long.
We talk about my journey and people say they've learned
some stuff about me, of course, but it's a lot
of fun. We make good time.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
A look just you know, anything that reveals more, even
if it's not clothing, but more.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
More, more more out also check out you can go
online and watch. Even the ruse documentary is out, I
mean being stalked. And she reunited with Mark and Kelly
the other day, so it's kind of fun to see them.
To all my children so check that out. Also, and
they're saying, Michael Knight did an interview with Michael Fairman.

(08:32):
You know, check that out. I'm okay with Michael Ferman.
I good these days, So I'll promote them a little
bit for that. We're fine now, you know. And also
one of the girls, men and folks left the group
kicked out, so it's kind of it's like it's going on.
It's crazy. She's never gonna get.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
It, never get it, never hold on.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yes, it's.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
But yes, trusted honesty.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
That's so. But yeah, that's all that I think. Is
that all that the church anounces what I'm gonna tell you, guys,
I think, so, okay, let's get those kids to the show.
I have to say my overall over reaching take you that.

(09:25):
I'm a big get. I have a big get anybody.
I'm enjoying that they're using the next generation. Finally, these
actors actually can act, which is really good. It's rooted
and kind of you're seeing them grow up and get
personalities and like what they're what's going on. It affects everyone.

(09:49):
There's drama in it, you know. I was thinking about
Geo and Emma, you know, and again him and Dante
getting closer and then if Dante finds out that, I mean,
it's just it's just I'm actually enjoying this part of
the story. And they actually took Rock out to jail.
I was like, oh my god. And I didn't I
didn't think it was going that far. I really think
he was gonna go that far. And your buddy and

(10:10):
answer and the scenery chew and everything that chewing. He's
just chewing everything. Ezra Boyle as played by Daniel Cobbs
grow I mean, he he's seriously is chewing. I mean,
even even with Daniel, God is not chewing that much
of the scenery. But Ezra he coming in there with
a smirk and a smile and he is playing Ezra

(10:31):
Broil to all its fall. It's worth, it's getting and
it's getting bad. I was like, wow, I did not.
I actually felt something the end of Friday's episode when
he was excusing he didn't do it and they're like
standing in the court, I actually felt something. I was like,
oh my god, this is kind of crazy. So I
just opened the show with something positive for me. I mean,
it's there's holes and stuff here, but but I just

(10:52):
but in general, they should be focusing on this next
generation anyway.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I love that and as well, And what I just
want more is I mean, I mean, I want them
to also have stories within themselves and not just be
kind of spun out or attached to bigger storylines. I mean,
we all are fans of umbrella storylines for sure, but
I want a little bit more meaningness in there in

(11:21):
terms of their interpersonal relationships, their you know, potential love crushes,
stuff stuff like that that gives them storylines of themselves
that could then bring in other adults into the show
as opposed to, Hey, we have all these adults seven
stories and then this is just kind of how we
can attach the kids to them as well. So I mean,

(11:41):
I'm liking I'm not going to get what we've got
so far, but I mean I'd love to get just
a little bit more dialed into the to the kids
as well. They haven't given their own stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Well, I think you know, I think on some level
they've been trying a little bit here and there, but
this could lead to that. It's also could lead to
them like showing us thinking like these kids can act,
maybe giving them story. I think I mean that that
could be it I mean it could lead. I mean,
I feel like we kind of know Geo on some
level and Emma, so they kind of have their own
gold story. But I agree with you guys, I like

(12:13):
to do Charlotte's I actually like they're really establishing Charlotte
and Roco's relationship. Ryan already feel I already feel the
Rocco and Danny stuff it really because really seriously affects everybody.
This storyline effect is now now it's exploded in a
way that I didn't expect. I didn't expect it to
explode to the mass it was because this story has

(12:35):
been so off to the side. It's like these characters
and it brings Sidwell in it. I want to ask
you a question, Frank, because I don't know what. I
don't know what to think. So it's Sidwell happy Roco's
being or is he pissed that Dalton. I can't tell.
I can't because I can't tell because when he got
that phone, it's just kind of like it's going worse

(12:56):
than expected or something.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I don't I mean, it seemed the chat with Britt
at the hospital that Sidwell was very anti Dalton, trying
to press charges, trying to bring any more attention to
any of this. So, but then I was thinking, as
the trial was going on, is it then that Sibell
thinks about it some more and realizes, oh, hey, this
is leverage on Laura. I could use that, uh and

(13:20):
to try to spind you know, Laura to just do
what I want for this. But now it doesn't seem
like that's the play either. So I think I'm going
back to like Dalton's being a little uh, little rogue
on this and Sidwell is not gonna like it.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, that's what Sheridon said that I think he's pissed
that dal I think he has too. But when Dalton
went off on him, I was like, you better watch out.
This is like I mean, like, uh, you just go
off on me? That's how good. That's how he looks, like,
do you just go off on me? So I'm like,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't push Sidwell. I just wouldn't push him.
We've seen him. He he will do stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
The bumpy part on that and you know, maybe you know,
maybe it doesn't bump other people. But it's like Dalton
stuff we're hearing too much about, like Britt just telling
Sidwell like after the fact, Well, we're not seeing any
Britt Dalton scenes at all. It's just like we we
had the one where he said like, hey, we should
cut you know, you know, do our own thing, and
then that was it. We never saw anything more. So
it's like, I feel like I want to see more

(14:15):
of Dalton being like, hey, I'm trying to scheme and
get rid of Sidwell, but we're not. So this is
like him and Sidwell finally seeing. It was nice to
see Dalton be a little bigger than his britches, so
to speak.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Because I feel like like Dog's getting too bold, like
like hey little like Sibyl. Don't like that either, because
it's he got mad in his own son. But he
like he tal me, he don't like you go against him.
But Brides just like what were gonna do? I was
so it was so fight away. He was just like
so like what, just like you gotta stop that? Yeah,

(14:52):
like what? But then he did talk to him and
he's Daltons just like, screw you do whatever I want.
I was like, Oh, I don't know, I don't think.
I don't think Dald's gonna be here that long if
I in chack kind of agrees with that. Symil is
angry about what happened to Rocko. Marco gave him up
day on what happened. I'm saying, That's what I'm saying

(15:13):
you so you see it as he's being angry. I'm
not even I saw. I'm sorry. I couldn't tell. I'm sorry.
I just couldn't tell. I couldn't tell. But we'll find
out this week obviously, But I couldn't. I couldn't tell
he was angry or not. But I thought it was
just but I thought it was just very interesting that
no one could stop this I'm really happening. And it
really went it really went far. I I used to
to go that far and juxta post all this. Now

(15:40):
Nathan's back in the forest because and it's is gone.
Nobody's questioning it. That was gone. And Dante is not
police commissioner.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Which I mean that just seeing that, especially with that
they're hanging such a head on the Nathan stuff, I
feel like, well, yeah, I mean, then then Nathan and
at some point, whether it's he's programmed later that or
it's really Nathan, or it's somebody impersonating Nathan, certainly him

(16:11):
being on the force was kind of done by somebody's this.
Somebody had made a move to get Nathan back of
the force, and.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
They mentioned your man, his dream man, the sire Fox.
Max's busy, He's busy maxing.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I feel like, I mean, while there's not I mean,
I'm not keeping up on Genji R's personal life and stuff,
but we've not seen him in a long time, so
I feel like there may be alway. I hope he's
okay too.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I don't know anything either. Aways Okay, but he's not. Yeah,
he's not. He's not. He's not on right now, so
that's fine. Dante. Is he's worth it? I mean, he
has been in the flag well. When he asked, when
he asked, you know, lor what are you? Why is
he and she just named all like it makes sense
that he is, that he's next to line. Okay, there
for a long time, And I also loved this conversation

(17:02):
with Nathan. I've been there for too. I was also
when I came back. And then they're still remembering that story.
They're remembering that part of the story when he was
a little crazy, like he was dating to himself, but
he got himself together. Nathan seems too calm, so like
with you, like, is that really Nathan is? He's a
little too just like chill.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, you know, when we see how other people have
reacted about coming back to Port Charles for some prolonged absence.
This more so when you're supposed toly you were dead.
Everydy thought you were dead. You're just back. But yeah,
he's just like, you know, hey, man, just gonna ride
it out, do the thing.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, Like all right, so that's so that's been set up.
Anna is somewhere, but we had heard it's a it's
a time off thing like Anthony Gardy, I'll get time
off again.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, the more I see Nate and Britt scenes, the man,
it's just like I feel like ritz mud you know.
And she doesn't know what the deal is either.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
I think she does either. And I'm this return is
falling flat a little bit for you right now. Something
really big needs to happen.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, And I don't know if g H is thinking like, oh, hey,
we're just gonna play it long enough that the fans
think they got what they really you know, they had
Nathan backed and then we reveal, oh, oh this is
what's really going on with Nathan, which I mean, there
is a fine idea, but we just needed to move faster.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
And try. J C brings up. I also just point
to it's related also with Avera speaking to Sidwell telling
him not to mess with Sunny's family, and then Dalton
does that think Sidwell is trying to play a long game? Yes,
I said, it's like, but no, we don't get the
peers this way. He's trying to play this game without

(18:50):
just going all out aggressive, full force. Everybody else is
like aggressive and him was Studdy are kind of similar
and they're both just kind of like they're both just
sitting back as so when someone else goes ruggs at Rogue,
that's the problem. You know. I loved when Geo and
Emma went to Sonny because Sonny, of course was close

(19:13):
to Robin. So there's a little bit of that why
I see why Emma Phil's couple going to him. It's
even said he said, I trust Sonny very much. I
love that.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
And I mean, certainly Sidwell knows what will happen. I mean,
I mean he knows that Sunny to Marco, like he
knows that that's like he's already got proof that that happens.
So like if it goes back and finds out like
Sidwell is behind this again, I Loiel.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Doesn't want That's whole point. He doesn't want that, like
oh Sybil as slide plays along end. I just I
think when him to add this whole thing, it's like
he's trying to set up so him talking to Laura
and Laura's not buying. It's like, yeah, I just don't
buy it. It's like he's he He's almost like Cyrus,
our old buddy. He shows up, doesn't give a ship,

(20:07):
He shows her where he wants to you, doesn't read
the room, he doesn't care. He comes in with that
smile on his face and he just comes in and
just does whatever he wants and says whatever he wants.
I kind of like that because that's how Cyrus was.
Cyrus never read the room, I don't care and had
his own agenda, and Sivie has his own agenda. He
keeps smiling at everybody. That's his thing. He just smile

(20:29):
as he says. He just smiles. He said stuff, and
people just like falling us like I don't we don't
believe him, My god, he's crazy. They don't buy it.
None don't buy it come on.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Because there's one thing to not be able to legally
prove anything, but there's one thing just to kind of
know within yourself the truth about somebody else. And so well,
I mean, you know, Laura had lucky and adjacent like
and there's no legal recourses they can do, but they
all know it happened. So despite all of Sidwell's like
protestations like oh you know, it's bring any laws there,

(21:03):
people know said, well, you can't just keep saying that,
and people think people are gonna, oh, okay, you're right.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I love it because you don't care. Someone still comes
to the party and still talk like what is wrong,
Like you don't care. But like you said, there's no
laws everything. It's just like, well, that's right. That's one
when I said Laura, when Carl went off on Lucas,
she's right. We all know at home she's right. Yeah,

(21:27):
But as a person, I will defend Lucas and says that.
So here's why saying she is not nice thing to hear.
You don't want to hear that. You want to hope
that Marcos is really in dhim. But we're sitting on
the side, which I like this part. They're showing us.
Marcos has a dark side and kind of sides with
his dad on stuff. Plus he was kidnapped, so he

(21:49):
really is feeling it. Yes, So it's like, Lucas, you
know you're going into the lions den so speak. So
I'm like and I'm like, I'm like, Carly, I don't
care if you're mad at I'm still gonna tell you.
I'm still gonna tell you. And when she went off
on Joscelyn, I'm this morning you two girl, just like
like like what I did, Like I.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Laughed so hard that, which I thought was a great
beat that doesn't tip the ten or anything. But when
Carly does that reaction when Jocelyn starts agreeing with uh,
Lucas that she's like, I know your WSB. I know
you're working in angles.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Screw you.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
You're putting the WSB over family right now?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Is good? I'm good because and we know why she
goes and we know why she didn't say it. That's
all I loved it. I just thought was that was
just it was good. I didn't expect them, but like
and yeah, I'm this morning my tie life like well
like what if I was I played all Oh my god,
that was hilarious so all times, but going back, but
going back to this is an umbrella story, So going

(22:49):
back into the thing having Rick and Sonny did not
see that coming at all, which.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Is I mean nice, because you know it's like, yeah,
what else are you gonna do? I Rick on the show?
But where else are you going to put him? At
this point since he's word everything else with everybody, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'm happy and I I mean the Internet's happy. I'm happy,
and I know I'm just saying I just never I
didn't see it coming. And that's that's actually was very
mature of him, the way he came to him and
the part and the part that really got me was
when he goes, I want to believe you the way
he said it, it was like, yes, I want to
really want to believe you, Rick.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
He does.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
He said, all the times I tried to reconcile with
you and you just you just shot it at all
the time. He gets and Rick's like, I get it.
I know, I love how honest it is. I loved
how honest. It's like that's trying to pulling over on
us fans. We know their history, and he said, our
mom would love this. It's like, I mean now and
so he thought about but when he said, I really

(23:49):
want to believe you, Rick, I believe that he wants
to believe him. He said, if we all got along,
it's been great in the family. And so you're right,
and Iby agrees that, Yeah, rickhearst his gold he is.
Everyone was just like, yes, that was one of the
best things they brought I don't how long it's supposed
to be on. So glad he's still on. So glad
he's still arm And I think.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
It definitely helps having Molly be older and their relationship
and we've seen more time with it too, where it's
it feels like a lot of this motivated whatever the
thirty day is, you know, his captivity, but just his
relationship and his love for Molly and Molly's love for him.
So I feel like that also is So it's nice
to see like that as an impetus for him wanting

(24:32):
to be, you know, all necessarily a great guy, just
a better person that he's than he has been. So
him musingly that as a reason to want to try
to short past grievances with with Sonny, excellent. Let's let's
do it.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I agree. Hi, byan chatting from the girl watching, Hello,
I see the new fans I've received before. Pamgh fan, Hello,
Leslie Davies a twenty eight. I don't know who you are,
but welcome. I see David Halls here be Stargates with
three eight zeros. Here Janet of course, hy Janet Michelle,
So I said, not by some new faces in here,
I can't see you some new names. Rick Hurs with

(25:07):
the gray hair is fire. That's right, with Dora Susan hot,
that's gray hair. But you know, I think with Frank's
I agree with that. But so but that was interesting.
He brought him in and then that da a da,
she comes exacting da. So of course I have already
opposite side, of course, and then it comes down to

(25:30):
Dalton running in there, running his mouth. Obviously he's set up.
When Laura said it, I was like, yeah, I mean,
I think everybody in the world knows she's being set up. Basically, yeah,
they didn't even me. Come on, so by love and
Laura said to say, Sonny, our grandson's being set up.
And he looked at homegirl. I think she knows it.
I think she knows it too, on some low he's
being set up. I could no.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I mean, like, you know, like I will be curious
to see how that story holds up to scrutiny once
it starts getting investigated. But but I mean still the
immediate damage has been done. So even you know, the
things come out and get revealed and the truth is
shown in the trial, it's still at this moment.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah. So it's like, I feel like that little actor
Finn car is really good. He's really good. I actually
he's a spencer, of course, he's he's doing stuff and
I love that. I love that. What the fuck is
her name? Oh my god, Lulu said, A part of
me is so proud of him, you know, because of
what it is. It's like something bad, it's something good.

(26:32):
And they got Danny that the actor is really good too.
How he runs to Jason and to Brenton, go to
and go to Alexis. I love that. I love that
he all go to Alexis and like, okay, what'd you do?
Like what happened? And he's stuck too because he loves
his brother, he really him and Jill both love their
brother so to speak, and they're both feeling bad. Well Charlotte,
she's very much of cast live. She'son was like, well

(26:55):
he did on purpose, don't do anything. Well, he'll be okay.
And basically as Jason was like, should you honor what
your brother said? You know he did on purpose. They
make sure you guys don't get in trouble. But I
love it. Everybody feels remorse. I kind of love that
everybody feels remorse. And there's a whole it's repercussion. It's
all over the place there, but it's all order place

(27:15):
because he doesn't want to losing scalp. You can't see
her already, but he doesn't want he doesn't want to
even go more.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And you know Drew would just be all over that.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Woo he would, Oh my god, that's I mean Drew. So, folks,
the character Drew. It's hilarious, you guys, because you got
this petition to give Drew off the show. Whatever that means.
He's doing a good job. Yeah, but the fact you
need a villain and yeah, yes, Sidwell and he's doing

(27:49):
this thing, but this one he's smarty. He has no shame. Yeah,
it seems he has no code. Well, you know, so
in silicind of codes and kind of these codes here
and there, you know, even Cyrus or someone had a
code a little bit his or his or his weaknesses
or his family, and and winning acceptance that this guy

(28:11):
will use anything and anyone at any time for anything.
You don't care. He threatens you, like he just wakes
up and breathes, He shuts up, threasts to everybody. And
that's that's allot. That's about Drew for a second. He
stole Tracy's stole the boxes, that gave Ned the heart attack.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
That was that whole thing was insane to me, Like
how does he expect that to hold up in court?
And so it's like like I can imagine the quarterback.
I mean, let's say clearly illegal, right, but.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Like, well, like you see Tracy right now is not
a spot. Yes, Jane Elliott deserves her time off. Yes
she has completely deserved it. But the thing is like
when you say I was like what he says? He
you guys got the help I'm getting. I started laughing
kind of because it's it's so outrageous, but you know,
don't care. He don't care. And then you left ned

(29:08):
Land there, oh you do an Edward? Okay, letn't land
there having Brits and Jill that that combo kind of
saved Ned's life at the moment.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Great choice, Oh yeah, especially after you here Olivia just
trash and breathe.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
And well it was actually Britt who said turns around
like high minch. Yeah, that was hilarious And that's a
total soap thing. Was totally soapy. Loved it, and also
with Britta because it's complicated with Britt's it's a whole
complicated thing. And but you're right, I'm with Frank and
you said it's early and before earlier and before I

(29:47):
need to know more about what Britton knows and doesn't know?
And is she a villain? Is she not? It is
too nebulous for me. They were playing over the place.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I mean she knows because it's like what we know
about this project is cold fusion is involved somehow, uh
and what we end entirely illegal according to said well,
but I mean there must be some medical human component
because why have Britt there anyway? Right, So like that's

(30:19):
like she wouldn't be involved unless there was that portion
of it, and we just don't know what that is yet.
So she knows something, but how much does she know?
I mean clearly she she knows it can't be great
because she's not saying anything to anybody, right, it would
be great for.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Us to know.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I mean, I guess she's got her.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
What's going on? Brett, We we don't really know. There's
no her and Jason again having a close moment, kind
of like it's just it's we need something, we need
to know something. Side this little side note CT Travel
four five says she is not a villain, he's a bully.
There's a difference. I really need you to explain the difference,
said to me. A bully is a villain, so that's

(31:03):
a bad person. A villain is a person who's bad.
So I need to know. I need to I would
please explain to me what the difference is. If it's
not the same, to mean it's the same thing. Let's
so let's you means by the way, that was that
was amazing. Yeah, I agree, we all want to know
what's going on. We're Brits, so come on, gh tell
us going out with her? There are some insights. Yeah,

(31:26):
confusing And wait a minute, didn't Nina say right that
would help you with money if you needed a long
time ago?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yes, poor things get.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
My nerves now, shoudn't get my nerves Now's she got
her car because Jay said whatever, But it's whole poor thing.
Nina is richer than God and said I would help you,
so really you would to get you wouldn't take her
for that help. Really, it's that's a little it's that
part's a little stretch. Also, I'm over that.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
And I don't know if like Nina did open her
place up to her. Yeah, you can't go back only
because like I guess, the possibles into her mom more frequently.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Little dumb. I mean, I don't try. I don't What
they're kind of trying to do is have her somewhere freer.
That they said that he could run into Jason everybody.
I get it, but it could be another way to
could have done that. I just think it's it's it's
a little loose on that one drew the JR. On
the show. Well, I wouldn't say JR. Because JR at

(32:22):
least JR had a weak and a smile and he
did something and you knew that JR. Did have a
soft spots. He loved his family and he would he
would side with his family when it came down to it,
if you mess with you, and you messed with all
of them. He loved his mother, he didn't read, and
there was certainly on Jr. Jr Had a little weak

(32:43):
ined smile when he did his stuff. Drew's not weaked
a smile at all. He's just just evil.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, I mean it's tough because the only like, that's
my big thing with Drew is like I need to
have him have be more of a human and have
other relationships that aren't transactional. That he is there for
somebody else without any at any agenda or anything for him.
And it doesn't to me a lot of scenes. I mean,
I'd be happy with like an eighty five fifteen split

(33:09):
on that, but just something that kind of grounds him
as just like, hey, okay, he is a full human being.
And it's tough on willow Is because that's also messy, right,
that whole thing. And then Scout. Scout has been proven
to be just transactional. So it's tough to buy any
of those scenes the Scout with when you see the
way that he uses her with Alexis and Danny and

(33:30):
all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Everybody's agreeing with you. My thing is here's my thing.
Things you flower, I would need, like Frank said, I
need to have at least ten percent. Show me how
you are with scouts. Here's here's my here's the example.
Here's a great example. Valentine. Valentine's all kinds of bad things,
but you love Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yes, never use Charlotte transactionally.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Never, you would never do that, but it ships for down.
You would always acquiesce when it came to Charlotte. Also,
there are certain things that he loved Anna. I mean,
there's a certain we saw vulneral sides of him because
we learned that he was he was hurt a long
time ago. They had some impediments and there's stuff that

(34:11):
we learned about him. Where with Drew he went from
one to the next. We don't know, there's nothing in between,
and there's and so when there's no at least if
he was with Martin and Martin were actual friends, we
saw some We started to see a soft side kind
of with Kai. But they haven't written them together in
ages either. Yeah, and so it's like there's it's to me,

(34:34):
it's really simple. Just find somebody we can show him
being vulnerable and like and tell us why he's doing this.
But he's not. You know, they're not writing it. They're
not done wrong, they're not writing it. So it's just
they're just writing to you as just this person who
just comes in any room and just that just stinks
up the place.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
That's what he does. I mean, like we talked about
before the Trina and Ava relationship, but then wonders for me. Yes,
in terms of lushing that Ava as a as a
well runned person.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yes, And when it come together, just like and you know,
and even Aba with Portia with you see it, it's
like you see it. And and and Eva does love
her daughter. We haven't seen that a long time, but
she does. And her and Lucas they fleshed that out
a little bit. I actually liked that when he came
to say thank you for just being me, let me
be me and make own decisions, and he hugs her.

(35:24):
I think she was she hang on, she really likes
She was like, finally somebody like appreciates me, I felt.
I felt her like really embracing that.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, it uh, I mean it's tough, you know with
the Lucas, where's Carly where it's like it's a messy
situation where yeah, it doesn't mean that Carl loves Lucas
any less, but that doesn't mean that she's gonna like
sign off and every one of his ideas is great.
She's not.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
And I she said, you guys, she said, you be
mad me all you want. I'm still gonna tell you
what's going on, how I feel. And we tried to
throw the same thing in her face. It's like it
just it doesn't. It goes back and forth. It's like
nutty mare. And but she's still not wrong about Sidwell.
And she brought up the lucky thing also, these its
like but am of course would endorse it on some

(36:09):
level because she's kind of that way. And so but
Simil trying to close you up to her too, and
she ain't buying it that much. She's kind of like, okay,
like just kind of family, right, and she's like, okay,
just buy some man. She's not she's not. He ain't
dumb either, She's kind of like, Okay, I think she
might come out there just to watch over her nephew,
and she might come out there to see she knows Windimere.

(36:31):
She looked out there. She knows Windimere. You know, so
I think I think he says he's just he's smarting
too once a little. But I we love Carlos, so
I just I just love his portrail of it. But
She's kind of like, yeah, I don't know, but I have.
I'm sorry, We're gonna do a little side detour because
I want to. I want to bitch about it. Folks.

(36:55):
Remember last week I said stop it fifty infantilizing Trina. Yes,
so this week this is what we get her going
off on Jordan and not knowing, not knowing any of
the details. You will never remind you, will never be
with my father, and I'll never come back to you.

(37:16):
I'm actually never comes back to you. He loves me
and he listens to me. I'm like, nobody cares, bitch,
nobody cares. You don't have that kind of power. But
you don't know. And Joey's like, you don't even know
what's going on, little girl, you have no idea what's
going on. Having this is part of her story, I
guess part of storyline.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
But this is the terrible part, like because it goes
back to everything you've been saying, James, Like when you
write Trina like this, who's put in such a bubble
by her own parents that she just has no sense
of what's really happening in that relationship. And so like
what she thinks and what she's feeling about it is
like no, no, no, there's stuff you don't know about.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
And it hurts her own parents. But for not wanting
to just treat her like an adult, it's like, yeah,
I mean life is mess see uh portion of Curtis,
But you just gotta also just let your daughter know.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Because I'm like Stella across town, Stella trying to convince
Kurse to stay with his wife. That's that's an old
person To me, I think that's an old person thing.
That's an old person thing. Stick with what you know. No,
you know, it's a baby. I'm gonna write off because

(38:27):
that was dumb too. But I'm gonna write that off
as an old person telling a younger person just stay
together with the baby was just dumb. I love that
he fought back on that. I love that he didn't
just bow down to that, and but both I'm thinking
this whole storyline is dumb. This in general, I'm just like,
no one needs to see that old old chick pregnant.

(38:47):
I might just need to see that. Nobody wants that,
and then unless you make it Isaiah's baby, this is
all stupid. Yeah, I mean for maximal drama, right, frank
from maximum drama making it curts his baby, Okay, whatever,
But if you make it Isaiah's baby, then home we're

(39:10):
on aging her face. Home, we're on aching her face. Home,
we're on they all got aching her face. It would
be hilarious to me. If he's a father for.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Me, I feel like the same way, it's gotta be.
It's gotta be Isaiah, right that otherwise, like then we
just get to see Portia and Curtis trying to juggle
shared custody of a baby. Like who cares about that storyline?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Right? Nobody cares about that? I say, I probably. I
hate miscarriages and stiff I hate usands such a trump
on soaks, but I wish it was this would happen.
I don't even know baby. We don't need no baby
that we're gonna have her give birth to you. I
didn't never see since she's three years old, and I
never see her against she's seventeen. I don't need that
at all. But if we're gonna do it, then fine

(39:54):
making Isaiah's make Drew find out something. But see they
already got homegirl get her, I mean, Felicia found out
she lied. So I can see you're pregnant on the stand,
lose the baby. I mean, there's all kind of possibilities
that can happen.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it just needs to stick
around to at least introduce that. Nope, guess guess who
portion has been with everybody to know that.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yes, oh my god, when everybody finds that out, good drama,
good drama right there. But see right now, But the
plane is so it's so weird to watch it. We
played round because halftime has no idea what's going on, yes, Curtis,
So it's like you guys are all saying stuff. You
guys have no clue on what's going on. And by

(40:44):
the scene, so I don't know, but I don't. In fact,
everybody's like, she's pregnant. How do you know? I can
tell always wonder, like we can tell she's glowing, like
I'm fording cavi. You know she love her coffee. I
was laughing out that to you. I'm like, I have
that coffee. A couple is my pregnant. I think I
just thought that's kind of funny people thinking people's habits right,
and you know you're like like somethings off, like what

(41:06):
are you doing somes off?

Speaker 2 (41:08):
So yes, and I don't know how, I mean, how
long ports I thinks she's gonna be ablek at this
from Isaiah?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, Oh, like, hello, you start showing soon, it's gonna be.
It's gonna be. Wait and see the Isaiah reveal is
so be? Goodness right, because you got Jordan who finds out?
I mean to remember her and Isaiah together, whoa curis
finds out? Oh my goodness. And she again pors is

(41:39):
her own worst enemy froms I say, it's every week
she's already lying half the town, my own altre is
by a mission or whatever. Once again, it's gonna come out.
It's gonna defend herself again. Well why is she say nothing? Yep?
And she had her reasons.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
She had her reasons. Everybody think her Anita just you know,
have a have a have a meeting about justifying the
reasons why you keep lying to people.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
It's it's it's she's all the work that she does.
She's I mean especially chuckle ass out. It's like, Okay,
I guess I'm gonna say nothing. Okay, that's fine, but yeah,
back to the Trina thing real briefly. I just I
just think they gotta fire something out with her. This
is this is not the way her and her neighbor talking.
That's fine. I like them talking. And she sid that

(42:30):
she's actually at the job, that's great. But we need
to find her something to do, because it makes no
sense that everybody's involved. All the younger set has story
and she's not involved.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, it's just there's only so many times she can
you know. As much as I enjoyed that her and
Eva's relationship, I mean, you just have her in the
art gallery is just you know, I don't know, And
I don't understand why they're so relected to give her
any sort of story.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I don't know, I know, I don't. I just I
don't understand it all at all. Don't understand. Trina is
way too attested the curise for her toy fid out.
Here's her dad a couple of years ago. She would
liked him at first. Oh no, I mean I don't know.
I never found her. I mean I've had a kid
find out I thought I had a kid later, but
there were kids. I was a young but I've never

(43:18):
find out that my father was my father. But maybe
she's maybe she's she's trying to hold on because she's
just like as she said, she even said it, I
didn't even know who's my father's show for your tail
is almost an adult, you know, so she acknowledges that
she doesn't know him that long. But for some reason
she's feeling I can understand, I maybe feeling a strong
tie or something all of a sudden because now you've
got him, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Once you've kind of cracked that sort of uh you know,
adult uh, you know seal with Trina, we're finding out
that Curtis is a real dad after all this time.
That's a pretty huge curve ball to throw somebody, and
she weathered that that you now decide like Curtis and
Portune decided, we're not going to tell anything else to

(44:01):
Trina because she can't handle it. She handled you finding
your father, so she can handle stuff. Just be honest
and just tell her.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
But Curtis finds out the only ways Isaiah gainting when
we lived through the bttle of pain medication after Curtis
puts in a full body cast I know, but yeah,
he finds out too, but treated upset and Taggert and
Porch split up. They would they didn't didn't didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Well yeah, I mean we never saw that.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Talking about that either, So yeah, I don't know, it's
just it's just it's just that character is it's so frustrating. Again,
all the other young folks have story and she's not
in any of that. So it's just kind of like, well,
what are we doing here with her? Why she's so isolated?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
So like interesting that like Geo and Emma did reach
out to Trina rather than they get uh you know,
the younger kids in instead.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
And Trina and John they're friends. They have lunch or
something once and that was it.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Uh yeah, I mean if you'll have jush, she's you know, uh,
she's lost two guys that she's been with. She's killed
a man, multiple men, at least two, yeah, two men,
and she's now a WSP agent, so you know, at.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Least have conflict with there. I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing,
there's no story, Like what if Trina found out by accident,
you know, and then confront her I mean, there's no
story they have, They've done no story. So I'm just like, okay,
I guess, so there's too much enough of that story.

(45:41):
What was next? One was next? What's the next thing?
The next big thing? Uh? I guess we got Oh,
well said we'll finish up the net thing. Neds in
the hospital. He said he needs a triple bye, but
he needs a bypass surgery. I said triple. I'll sure
what it is. I think bridge have to operate or something.

(46:04):
She's there and she's pushing Porsa, you gotta do it now,
you gotta do it now. Whatever. I don't know. It's
like she's trying to become a doctor again, reinstated, and
you know. Porta's like, well, you are a good doctor.
I understand that part. But I'm like, they're really pushing
hard from become a doctor. Uh yeah, I mean they were.
I mean they had what she was reading. Porscha's like, no,

(46:24):
you're being too slow.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
You know what's going on. You gotta get it done.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah. So I don't so, I don't know. It's like this,
it's a there's a whole world there. But it was
like seeing Lulu and Dante Olivia Brooklyn Chans are all
kind of together. It's one big family, and her getting
tea for them and and she said, I know you
hate me. She's like, you're only half right or whatever.
It was kind of it was kind of cute. They're

(46:48):
they're working towards something there. They've have been through stuff.
They're softening Lulu, which I kind.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Of like, you know, it's uh like her scenes with Rocco.
It's I mean, well, I guess that's you know, the
world we live in where it's tough to justify actions
that you yourself would have done at that age that
you know, you learned also from your father to do
all that stuff, you know, where it's hard then to

(47:16):
be able to like, uh, no, do as I say,
not as I do, uh and not feel within yourself
if you're not going to say that, I feel like
a hypocrite. Like it's like I would have done that,
the same damn thing that Rocco did.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
I would still do it now. Well, it's funny because
having Dante and Laura talk before that, Ryan like, is
it gonna affect you? I'm blind and she's just like, no,
my grandsaid, if he walks, doesn't see me and it
improved later Grandma, I'm so glad you're here, like she knew,
you know. I think with the Laura, But a character

(47:51):
like Laura has been through so much on the show,
it's in character that she wouldn't care people think I
don't think characters is kind of like I love I
love my job, My family comes first. That is Laura.
Her family comes first. So I don't know, you don't
feel same about for.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Me, no give them this week. It's like I'm curious,
Like we talked about last week, asking is she going
to win or not? Uh, and we thought, like the
better drama is her winning for for all this stuff.
But it feels like and I don't know if the
show is just trying to just add a little on
like manufactured drama where there won't be any but given
her way of like I well, I love this, I

(48:32):
like my job, but I love my family and they
come first, it feels sort of like American President where
it's just like Michael Douglas doesn't want to say anything.
It's like, hey, just let them do their thing. But
in the absence of like you standing up to say anything,
all these people create these false narratives about this stuff

(48:53):
and you're just and you're letting, you're not standing up
and say what's right. So it feels like Laura is
doing that as well. She's just like, hey, you know,
Ezra can do it. You know this, you know whatever
happened to the debate, he can spend this however he wants.
I want to be at the courtroom. We're not going
to do anything like this. It feels like Laura, at
some point you just also need to stand up and say, hey, world,

(49:14):
this is what's going on too. And I feel like,
are they trying to give Laura it's I feel like,
maybe too late since pole days there, but like she's
not standing up and saying, you know, what's the real deal,
just just like no, trusting way too much in the
people and the citizens to know what the story is.
And I don't know. I don't know now. I really
don't know which way the show is going to go.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
No, I don't know why the shows can't go either.
But I feel like that's Laura. Laura's putting the trust
in the in the view in the in the viewers,
in the in the in the people of poor Charles.
I think she feels like I've done what I could do.
I've shown you what I can do. It's really now
in their hands. And like there's not really much more
she can do. She's not gonna, as she said, say,
I'm never going to apologize for our relationship, you know,

(49:59):
for our grandson. So she's taking a stance. She's taking
a stand. She's like, I'm just like, I don't I
don't care. I'm going to take care of my family.
That will always come first. And so but to me,
that sounds just sounds like her. I'm like, I'm not.
So she could lose. She could totally lose. I mean,
that's the whole thing. We don't know what's gonna go.
Because they make Ezra boil. Oh my god, the mayor.
That could be something goodness to you on some level.

(50:20):
That could be good. And it could be one of
those things where she gets, you know, becomes mayor, but
think gets crashed out and she becomes mayor again. Like
there's all kind of things that can happen, you know,
there's all kind of things can happen. You know, there
could be a reelection or whatever. And you know, and
Rick said to Sonny, I know of another way to

(50:40):
get your peers. No matter what happens to measure C,
we don't know what it is, but like he so,
I was kind of like there's some wiggle room in
there for stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, I mean to that, you I feel like you
don't have that scene between Rick and Sunny, you know,
you know, unless you know it's gonna prove that, you know,
Measure She's not gonna go his way, Like why introduce
them that that idea?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
So go either way? Which I high like this and
go either way. I mean, I thought shot man, but
you ain't anything about it. It could you see, it
could go any direction. It could be Ezra being the
winner and that'll be a trip. It could be her
still winning and anybody else get up saying see well
them getting upset, you know, and and that could cast

(51:23):
some more drama. So I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I mean it's tough, like this show is never about
like the politics, but Laura being the mayor does put
her allow that character to be put in orbit with
characters that you wouldn't otherwise really run into, which then
helps give Laura scenes and stuff like that. So you know,
that's my only reluctance, Like if you take Laura out
of the Mayor's office, right, you know, like you know

(51:48):
how it's basically just family stuff unless you kind of
figure out what her second act or well, at this point,
like her six or seventh eighth act is going to be.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
And there is no there's no Kevin Collins. He's on
Beyond the Gates. His name is Joey now, so he
couldn't fly home news episodes apparently.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I mean Atlanta's you know, it's tough at that's tough,
hard to get away from.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
What's your name, Frank Raham? Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson Airports is
one of the busiest airports in the country and can
take you anywhere. You say you can't get on a
plane come to LA and feel a few scenes.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I don't know what their schedules, like, how are they
more than six weeks ahead?

Speaker 1 (52:37):
That's good idea. I'm not sure. I know, I know,
I know that g H is like five and a
half weeks, so I don't know. But and now they're
all going dark because the holidays are going dark.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
What I did like though, was at least that Martin
was there. We get to see a little follow up
to last week's which I was like great, Like, yeah,
this was a better more of a better kind of
setting resetting of the bart Lillaw relationship that I was
glad about. So they're not totally making Martin like a
total butt head.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Apple ridd says On State of Mind, Genie and MB
discussed the storyline they are filming together.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Which I guess would be the framing of Roco.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Somebody says, Deana Case is five months ahead. You spent
five months ahead. I haven't heard that, but okay, I know,
I know that James Our Lives is now a year ahead. Yeah,
it's rough as well. We had Connor Floyd who hasn't
even airedd you, it's still It's still Billy Flynn. He's
on two shows right now. Dumb, dumb. So I bring

(53:41):
up the storyline now, I remember the story I was
trying about Painkiller, So I'm just like, what's going on.
We got Michael to Sinda Willow, Nina Drew and partially
well on Nina Drew. I actually kind of like some
of these scenes this week and the actress place to Sinda.
I'm liking her. I'm black in the way they're writing her,

(54:06):
and didn't expect that. I didn't expect that they have
a fine day. Whoever this chick is, you gotta can
tell me a name and a chat or whatever. She's
a good fine And I think thanks to Marktestner, of
course everywhere talking about Testner, I am liking because again
Drew and on his bluster, you know, comes blazing into
you know, what are you doing here? And you paid

(54:28):
you bla blah blah blah. And I loved that Nina's
he just starts threatening her and then he was like,
why are you threatening my assistant? I laugh, It's like
get in here. And I talked to him like hello,
like what are you doing? And because he's so like
Willow was, She's like I went for will too. Hello,
Helana Airport gives me the hives. It's huge, It's huge,

(54:51):
but that's it's just it's like it's like hello. It
is like, calm down, Drew, we're working this out. But
I'd like to just said, is not a wallflower. And
when Michael comes and Michael and Nina have the little
moments and it was trying, and I love that nobody's dumb, right,
So yeah, I'll take I'll take Little Wiley to get

(55:13):
some ices. Sunday and then and then all of a sudden,
the same place where they're at and he's like, oh, look,
come on over, let's have let's take pictures. I mean,
I love the whole thing. I loved it, and you know,
you know, she was pissed because she was trying to
get them, and they're like, let's let's get a selfie,
what pictures and let's get together. She's so cute with Wiley.

(55:35):
She just likes about Sundays, but they like so I
don't know, I I'm actually kind of rooting for them
because they body in the world is like it's just
all fake, and yes, on the outside, it really is
kind of fake. I think they really like each other,
and so everybody's trying to like each other. And I
don't mind this at all. I don't I like it.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I mean, you know, as we know, you know, uh,
Bobby Spencer came in similar to this, and look what
she became. So I'm all about the show introducing new
characters that can kind of catch on. She's got a
great backstory to bring up stuff, to generate story from
her past to cause headaches in the present. So I'm
all for this. If they were really actually want to

(56:17):
invest and make this like a character that can actually
join the canvas long term would be great. You know,
I feel like the hookup right now the hitch's gonna
be with her is that. I feel like she's definitely
lying about what happened after she saw Michael, and it
feels like it could be Ezra Boyle, like and that's
the reason she's not saying anything. It's like, you know,
just I feel like Ezra Boyle is like the one

(56:38):
that could be. It feels like it's got to be
that so and whether that becomes like an undoing in
Ezra's she wants the mayor election, but then this truth
comes out so that kind of tanks his mayoral thing.
I don't know, but yeah, it feels like just as
not being upfront about when Michael says, is there anything
that could blow this apart? And she's like, if we

(57:00):
were quiet for a second, and that's saying no, I
think it's really yes.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I know the the chats between hookers and strippers, sex workers.
You know, here's the thing, Abby, who he mentioned. I
believe she was an escort to you. I think she's
a stripper. I don't think she was think she was
an escort. I thought she was, yeah, that's your an,
that score Bobby Zerker. So what right, it's still a

(57:31):
sex worker, so there's no need to change that was true.
I don't know. I just this is his name is
Page Herschel High, Page Herschel. We love you, thank you.
I say that to you. Answer I could get derailed. Answer.
I think what you're talking about couldn't get derailed for me.
It's it's very interesting how she defends herself. Yes, and

(57:55):
I love that. That's like you will put down sex
workers and sex working and then completely down and I
like she defends it. And they say she was a
stripper anyway, Who cares? Somebody remember say any story that anyway.
The point is, it's like it's I like the fact
that they have in the writing, they have her not

(58:15):
feeling sorry for herself or playing the stereotype of light
the the sad hooker who's doing this because she's not
hooked on drugs or anything. Like. She's totally this fully
formed woman who's made decision in this profession and she's
not ashamed of it. And I think that's very cool. Actually,
I know a lot of folks out there have their

(58:35):
own feelings about sex work. I'm sure they do in
their own words. That's fine for me. I don't look
down on sex workers. So it's it's just one of
those things that I like. The way to writing is
I've done this one that it's not that it's kind
of about that, but it isn't. It's kind of like
it's just kind of like it's about it's more about
the alibi. It's more about it is for real, And

(58:59):
people keep bring up the sex thing towards her. Let's
she just brush it off. I love Yes, this is
your mommy's news, your grandma new assistance, right, Nina. I
love that also she was like yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Like was like, hey, I'm not the only one that's
kind of co signing her as a legitimate person.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
You gave her a job, yep. And then Willow being
released Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
All right, Oh that I mean she's talking to Drew
and then Michael something that that that's not really gonna
come up, but in my head him thinking, oh will
again being shady where it's like, oh, I heard where
the kids are at. So I was just gonna do
a drop in when you know you're not supposed to
be around those kids. Uh, and she started to act

(59:49):
like is the aggrieved party, Like girl, you were you
were going against court orders and You're like, I thought
you come to see me first.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Where is he? I love? I see here's the thing,
you guys, Ju is getting some of his come up.
It's on some level. He keeps losing on a few levels.
I like that part. It's like he's just winning all around.
He's not getting everything. He's not getting everything he wants.
That's the problem. It's gone out of control because this
was never supposed to happen. I'm afraid in his mind

(01:00:18):
Will being arrested for his own shooting or it's not
supposed to happen, not all. And I love when Martin
Alexis talked finally, and Martin was just like, you're you're smart.
You're like he knew, he's a lawyer. He knew that
if he gets you, doesn't even care received he's his
own worst enemy. Also, he's like Portia tell you know,

(01:00:41):
telling you her to focus on Michael. That's a problem.
She's like that you got you have to make sure
you show him everybody. The whole point is getting Drew
Will off because there are other suspects, not just one suspect.
He's so tunnel visioned that he doesn't see it. And
Willow is so funny because will Is like, she's not
lower Drew. You told she's not lower you. She's just

(01:01:03):
using him to help her.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
It's interesting that what's the whole quartermain thing him bind
the mansion fell apart, that he comes back to a
Lexus's office and I mean he's already fired up and
he's coming to the door talking about Michael. So I
mean that shows you like, even though Michael had like
really nothing to do with that whole scheme falling apart,
Like he walked away out of this still fired up

(01:01:29):
with Michael, like clearly, uh, blinders on and that Michael
has just gotta pay no matter what, no matter what
the situations are, all goes back to Michael. So this week, uh,
he's still just got this absolute man on for Michael
with Alexis or It's like that is not the best
legal strategy for your for Willow is to just solely

(01:01:52):
focus on Michael. Step beside, Drew takes several seats.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
As James you would say, right, and but I do.
I think it's very interesting, very interissante because they're playing
very close to the vest is chasing Willow. She's with it.
Three times she held his hand, he didn't move it
yet he goes to Brooklyn. You know I love you

(01:02:18):
by believing Willow my ex wife at Brooklyn. And then
the conversation was interesting that conversation too, where she was like,
I see different Michael. I don't want to believe he
did it, where he's like, I don't believe Willow did it,
Like it's just it's this weird It's it's just it's

(01:02:40):
it's weird. So I kind of like it. It's giving
him some conflict without giving them like major stuff. But
I don't know. Will's looking at Chase like a piece.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Of meat for sure, like like this man that is
just stepping like that hero, that hero thing that she
loves so much. Uh So, like, oh what if I
don't Why did I let this guy go? I could
have heard all the time, So I'm thinking Chase, this
thing is like as much as Drew as Warren Blinder's
on for Michael, chasing his own way is doing the

(01:03:12):
same thing because he's like if he was trying to
really help it, he would be looking he'd be exploring
all possibilities, but he's only focusing on Michael. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
There's history there too, So I'm just saying, Chase, do
even chap possibly williels guilty? I know, I agree. I'm
just like, I'm like, will he do something with her
inadvertently or well, Brooklyn? I mean, it's just it's he's
really into this storyline. In the storyline, he's really it's

(01:03:49):
his job. He's really into my God, he chases really
into this whole thing of trying to clear and he
were talking to Nathan. It's like if you're saying, oh yeah,
my niece, oh yeah, my niece. All I'm saying, he'll
know my Mike's wife, my niece, Mike's wife. It's just
it's it's and Brooklyn's trying her best not to become

(01:04:10):
her own quartermain She's trying to be very calm, yes,
try and support him. She's trying. You're a little rougher,
but she's trying, and he doesn't make it easy because
he has really said one stop shot. So but like
I said, meanwhile, we got Felicia in the case for
Alexis and find out that Porsch a lot about her whereabouts. Yeah,

(01:04:34):
that's what come back to hauntess. Also, we're not I
felt like no one knowing about Porsche. That's been one
of the things that's been such a secret that has
to come out to you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And I feel like it's going to lead to not
portion being the shooter, but it blow up Porscha in Isaiah. Yes,
uh so then he's like whoops. What I also can't
wait is for when Drew clocks finally that Willows really
dig and chase.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's out chasing goes. He was coming after you,
that'll be yet it would come after you. Yes, well
it's you digging it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Out that's gotta happen. I'll be curious to see if
that completely removes his Michael fixation or he's able to
split focus and hate both those guys equally.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
I know that's that's what we get to you. And
the thing about you I like is that we're always
going to do next. So I kind of like that
he's a wild card, like he just always he doesn't care,
he just does whatever he feels.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
So like him taking the quartermain stuff from the boxes,
Like I was not expecting that at all, So they
him do anything and what I liked about the Alexis H.
Martin Seed was that the Edwards like you've got one
shot at this and if you screw it up, Drew
Cade will make your life hell.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
That true, he said that. I was like, wow, that there,
and like she's like, I know, I kind of yeah,
I kind of get that's yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
And it's still being asking about Scout like well, I
guess you know, like like how many you can't just
he just uses it as like such a cudgel.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
He does, he doesn't, he doesn't, he does not care,
he said. Compared to some of the other people who
are questionable, we saw their achilles heels. We saw there
are things they certainly would not do. He will do anything,

(01:06:35):
and but he's but he's messing it up. This is
why he's not getting. Will's of them like he's crazy
at this point now. But she feels like she needs
him because she doesn't like she could turn to her
mother fully. She thinks her mother's crazy. So I so
Will's this tough if Will did not shoot him for real,
and she's really a tough spot. She's thinking with the

(01:06:57):
f how to give in some the situation. I can't
see my kids. You know, I must have it just
it must have just really hard for Willow if she
really is innocent. Yes, I was thinking I really mess
this up. I mean, getting what Drew is the worst
thing in an entire life. I mean, lew is the
worst thing. He being with him is taking everything away

(01:07:19):
from her, and he don't get it. He don't get it,
don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, And I mean we still have no conclusive proof
either way about Michael possibly planting that gut or not,
because Michael's not giving anything up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
So since beforeward, now he went hard believe she was innocent.
I think if it turns out Willow shot Drew, I
think this is a thing that's gonna wake Drew up.
And if will is really the shooter and she don't remember,
I love I would love that story because Drew's face
will drop.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah. I mean I feel like it's got to be
either Willow or Scout. That's the only way that it
really hurts right Drew and stops either one of those
characters from going off the show permanently.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Yes, I agree. Any thinks it's Danny.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
I think it's I don't know, I know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
I don't know. We haven't seen any kind of stuff
to hit to that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
And uh hooly either either, I think. I mean we
had nice I mean, but I think it's they're playing
it more now that Drew hate standing is a chasing,
but before they really didn't have much. They didn't talking
about or anything. I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
I don't that means a choice, but I don't think

(01:08:38):
it's him again. We saw a figure stand over the
body the second time, so I don't know. You tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I mean, with Willow and Scout, there are ways to
kind of wiggle it around with those two. I think
that you don't have to worry about writing them off.
But I think you but Danny as the shooter, then
I think you're really writing Danny off then.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
At that point, So you know, Michael was there, but
I don't think. I don't think he's Shatru. Actually, I
think I think it's almost too obvious Michael, So I
don't think he don't think I think he saw who
did it. It's human quiet or I mean he did
see him. Maybe he left in time, he didn't see

(01:09:23):
who it was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
If if it was Scout. It makes sense for him
not saying anything because like, why get a kid a
child rolled up in this If it's Willow, I feel
like he does say something even if he was there,
because like, I mean, that goes because it would be weird.
I think for Michael to be going this route like
and not saying that he saw Willow shoot Michael or

(01:09:47):
Willow shoot Drew, I mean I think he would come.
He would be much more aggressive. I mean, I know
he's really adamant about will not being around the kids.
That's united bad choices. But I feel like if he
knew for sure that Willow Chatdrew, I think we'd be
seeing a lot more of it. So I don't think
it's so will I think it could be Scout, And
I feel like if you did see I Scots, I

(01:10:08):
would I feel like it would be like he would
not say anything about But I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Know because the whole here's the thing, folks say it's
not Scout, it's not as here's the deal. He got
shot twice in the back, not in the head, not
in other places that you know, and it didn't seem professional.
I donna think of Stella. Estella decided that she is

(01:10:34):
said that's it, it could take it anymore. But she
doesn't know what's going on. She's going on? Is going on?
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
No, she doesn't know about the blackmail and she knows
about how Drew tried to blackmail her, yes or not blackmailer,
but try to screw with her life because of the
Curtis abortion stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
But I mean, every answer your choice. But I said,
I just say, I'm trying to think be a moniker
of money. I'm trying to figure out, like, who else
would you know? I mean, who would like I said, Sady,
they would have him dad and they wouldn't be wouldn't be?
And seep are people are people? Are? I think it
could be two shooters one and then one comes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
In, which I would love that. If that's like, well
he's already shot, I guess I'll just shoot him again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
See this disposable character. I hope not. I hope not, because.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
There's nothing worse than when they do these kind of
things and then they drag it up for so long
and then they just give it to like just a
the latest character that you don't really care about. They
could be easily written out of canvas and it's no
big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Yeah, I was almost not. We don't know who it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
It was not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
A sue. Was there anything else this week that was it?
Wasn't it basically that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Yeah, they think because the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Kids got into the lab, but they didn't get anywhere.
There's no animals or anything in there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I'll be curious because we've not yet seen the Charlotte
or Daddy talk to Emma yet and say like, hey,
there were no animals in there, because I'm curious to
see what Emma's reaction was, like, Oh, I started all
this and they weren't even in the animals.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
They're all this is empty. So we knew he was
gonna walk in when everything wene that. I had a
feeling of course is gonna walk in. But again I
didn't expect blackout, a Curt jail, and I didn't expect
I mean, there's a lot of is unexpected. But Grit
as heavily in this. But again, we need to know
more about what her involvement is or isn't. What does

(01:12:36):
she know or not? Now she gives me questions, it's
just not she's not talking, you know, not talking at all.
I didn't see Pascal yet he's in town. She hadn't
seen him yet.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Uh yeah, uh you know what she knows that. Oh
he's just sitting there at window all the time. Good
times like always fun to see the guy that left
you there to die explode.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Right, So and again we need some movement. If we're
gonna put Jason and britt together it we need some movement. Yeah,
it's great. It's just way too long waiting, wait too long.
I think I think it's actually I think they actually
literally at the molost hour and half, we got everything.
It was mostly just that we did it. I may

(01:13:24):
go lay down now my pain.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yes, go take your well deserved nap.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Thanks you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, but take the shirt off now, just get ready.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Close. Hello, that's it. It's a family show. I'm not
gonna take off my clothes fly show, not this week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
I thank you a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Well that's Jamay Stewart said. But I disagree. I mean,
I'm taking this mon Jarrow. Maybe when next summer, when
I lose all the way, maybe I will show something.
Who knows, h h Now we'd security cameras in the lab.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
There's that too, uh yeah uh and and what a lab?
It was just you know, paperworking and a whiteboard.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
It's crazy. Some sets they do big things for another sets.
They don't. They don't, they don't care. Frank Ran. They
fighting happy, Go Jackie, they can, you can?

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
You can. I'm there. They're waiting for you with open arms,
as James like to say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Yes, he's waiting for you. Oh my god, I love
that's what he said, waiting for you. And I'm with
I'm with James not showing herlo again have my interview,
no excuse me. Check out her interview with me La
off the records on Tammy Goveya's page. You go to

(01:14:56):
tend up mine, go to Tammy's page and check that
out out coming up on our page. So she's interviewing you,
LaRue and her daughter for that whole stalking documentary. So
we got we got her, So Tammy god her for
her show of Yeah, it's gonna be good, you guys,
it's gonna be really good. And I'm working on Martha Byrne.

(01:15:18):
Her husband got pardoned by President Trump and he's home
and she has no I did a whole day time
to that. I talked to her all about it on
two different shows. And Martha's a really great person and
her husband was rare road and I believe it's but
he's now home with his family after spending time in prison.
That's crazy. And he could tell you. I was like,
he lost a lot of work. You can tell you like,

(01:15:38):
oh my goodness. But I'm so happy for I talked
to us right for ta get them on the show
so we can finish up like a happy story at
the end. But just congratulations to them. That was a
really horrible nightmare. And those of you know. Martha Burne
was of course on Got You, like she's on other
shows too. She's a general hospital for a minute. Years ago,
she did a guest role. Of course, she's known as
Lillian Rose from As the World Turns and also Anacostia,

(01:16:03):
My friends show Anacostia. I'm producer an actor on that. Today.
It's a bird, It's what's his name? It's what's your
name's birthday? Oh my god, I'm blanking out. It's my birthday.
I want to play somebody for me to say. I
saw it earlier in IoT what it was my birthday was?

(01:16:23):
I was gonna say who it is, but not hours.
We're not our birthday. So way back next week pre Thanksgiving, uh,
just as a turkey or or eating stuffing. I don't know.
We'll see what happens next week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
There we'll be sharing what we're most thankful for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
My answer gonna be you, of course. Frank and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
I have a double serving James le Jr.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
For me. Everybody, take care of yourselves, as as Jerry
Speed would say at each other, see you next time
you will And how this