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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm doctor Jack Stockwell at Jackstockwell dot com. I usually
mentioned Forbidden doctor dot com because that's where I orbit
that website as far as nutrition and healthcare is concerned.
My other website, jackstockwoil dot com, which in both of
them link back and forth, of course, is the structural
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end of what I do. And boy, I've just seen
some beautiful things lately. I don't know if you've ever
heard the word dyspraxia. Apraxic just means clumsy. If a
child is diagnosed as being apraxic, a p R A X,
I see, you don't know what an apractic child when
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they walk, they look and abriate is what they look.
And so I started on this little eleven year old,
just the sweetest, sweetest little girl, and she has been
diagnosed with severe dyspractice you and so it's working against
her terribly. I mean, she just can hardly walk a
straight line. Well, she can't walk a straight line. And
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I saw her yesterday for the third time, and her
father just as happy as he can be. He says.
Nobody can believe this. He says, We've been everywhere, we've
done everything, We've spent all this money, and look at her,
and you can tell there's something wrong. I mean, if
you didn't, if you hadn't seen the marvelous change in
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her already, and you just saw her the way she
was yesterday, you know there's something a little wrong. Because
her head bobs a little bit and she rocks just
a tiny bit when she walks, but she can walk
a straight line. She's happy, she's thrilled her friends at
school who just love her to death. You can't help
but love this child because she has such a sweet spirit,
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or just so happy for her. And that's the work
I do of a structural nature. I work on the
central nervous system to interrupt the interruptions that occur inside
structurally that can cause deficits, and not just the body's
ability to balance itself, but that would restrict central nervous
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system innovation to the various organs, let alone muscles and
skeleton of the body. So that's explained to some degree
at Jack Stockwell dot com. Well, I want to talk
about this study that just was recently published from West
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Virginia University and Morgan State University researchers, and it's actually
it's not so much a study as it is a
review of decades of research. There are things known as
meta research where researchers will look at previous research, so
that instead of doing a study of say five thousand
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people as to whether coffee is good for you or
bad for you, which is not a way to study.
You don't do a study like that. You break it
down into smaller pieces. In a meta study, you'll look
at two hundred and fifty three hundred studies that looked
at coffee, where the a meta analysis like this, you're
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going to be looking at more than a million or
maybe two million people in all these different studies. And
so you study the studies to come up with a
study result, and sometimes the results can be very interesting.
So this sweeping new review that involved just literally decades
of research suggests that moderate coffee drinking is doing more
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good than harm in several different categories of health outcomes.
So the researchers at West Virginia University and more State,
they reviewed a lot of academic studies and these meta
analyzes that brought in a population of more than one
million people from various areas around the world, not just
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the United States, but Europe and Asia. And it was
published last a couple of months ago, August fifth, in
the journal Nutrients. And the study just, you know, kind
of a broad view, a very sunny view, a very
positive view of coffee's positive associations with better health, including
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a connection to get this longer life. And so I'm
quoting here from the authors. Overall, the consensus is that
moderate coffee intake is more beneficial than harmful across a
wide range of health outcomes. And so they noted lowering
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the risk of major diseases such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, stroke,
respiratory conditions, cognitive decline, potentially several types of cancer, including
liver and uterine cancers. Now that's significant. Now, there was
something that I said there that anybody who studies studies
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saw a red light the minute I said something there,
and it was the word consensus. Now, there's a big
difference between consensus and peer reviewed, placebo controlled blind crossover
studies of a particular subject. Consensus is just when the
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reviewers get together and say, yeah, that's what I found.
What'd you find there, Karen, Bob, what do you think?
And well, this is what we found. This is what
we found. All right, let's collate all this stuff and
see if we can come up with some consensus. So
that means it's not a real true, in depth study,
but it is interesting because they were looking at studies
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and they came up with this opinion. Now, for just
tuning in, I'm doctor Jack Stockwell at forbiddendoctor dot com
and I wanted to talk about this thing I just
ran across recently in the study out of West Virginia
University on coffee. Now, it should be noted that one
of these of the two authors of this study, Farren Commander,
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served as a consultant for the National Coffee Association, you know,
you know, the fox in the anhouse, which is a
major trade group that historically has promoted the health benefits
of coffee as far as policymaking out of whatever organization
and to drive coffee consumption. But neither of the authors
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declared competing interests and the work and the work received
no outside funding, and they added that the National Coffee
Association did not review their results. Before they published it,
so you know, take it for what you want. But
it's interesting what they discovered because the magic consumption number,
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and that's what people, you know, how many cups are
too many? The major consumption, the magic consumption number appears
to be three to five cups of coffee a day
according to the paper, And they mentioned this. One major
US study that was tracking more than four hundred thousand
adults found that people drinking two or more cups daily
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had a ten to fifteen percent lower risk of death
for many cause. Now, if you've been listening to me
on the Dug Steff and Good Day Health Show for
any of the last twenty years, every now and then
I'll talk about all casts mortality, which means dying for
any reason. I mean any reason, snake bite, fallen off
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the roof, car accidents, heart attacks, cancer, getting hit by asteroids.
I mean, it's every possible way you can die is
all cause mortality. And interestingly enough, a lot of times
when you're studying some particular influence or cultural design or
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something that's going on in our lives, they want to
look at did it have an effect on all cause mortality?
In other words, in other words, an interesting thing has
been happening in this country. And I'm not saying this
is the cause, but an interesting thing that's been happening
since the COVID vaccines have come out. There's a lot
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of interesting things, but all of a sudden, we have
an increase in the number of people who are getting
on the way up the wrong ramp out here in Utah.
It's a significant percentage. Now, is that because of the vaccines. Well,
of course you'd never be able to prove something like that,
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but that's an all cause mortality statistic that increased. And
so the people who look at this kind of stuff
sit there and scratch their heads and say, now, where
in the world is that coming from. That's when you
include all cause mortality. So when they say that we
found a ten to fifteen percent lower risk of death
from many cause in the four hundred thousand people they
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were looking at, ten to fifteen percent lower risk of
death is significant. And so they had this massive twenty
nineteen analysis that was combining data from three point eight
million participants pointed the lowest death risk at roughly three
and a half cups per day. Now, conversely, does that
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mean the drinking three and a half cups of coffee
a day will lower your risk of death for any reason.
That's what they're claiming now. As I said, this isn't
a peer reviewed place ebo controlled study, but some of
the studies they looked at were placebo double blind studies.
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Now beyond just living longer, they found that coffee drinkers
have shown significantly lower rates of cardiovascular disease, type two diabetes,
chronic respiratory disease, and certain neurodegenerative conditions. And then, in
good news for the decaf drinkers, because that's the next
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question people want to know. The analysis also found that
many of the coffee's health protective effects, particularly for type
two diabetes and all cause mortality, were comparable between caffeinated
and decaffeinated coffee consumption. In other words, it didn't seem
to make any difference whether there was caffeine in the
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coffee or the caffeine had been removed. It was still
preventative for type two diabetes and all cause mortality. Now
where data was available, the studies have assessed the association
of caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee with overall mortality, and in
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almost all these kinds of analyzes, both caffeinated and decaffeated
were associated with reduced risk of mortality. However, the individuals
who drank caffeinated in the year prior to the study
might have been caffeinated coffee consumers previously, and then of course
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you get some misclassification that's going on here. So we're
going to go to break here in a few moments,
and when we get back, another question that seems obvious, Well,
what if I put or cream in my coffee? Will
that make a difference. I'll tell you in just a moment.
I'm doctor Jack Stockwell at forbiddendoctor dot com. I will
be right back.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Doug Stefan here with Good day Health. Doctor Jack Stockwell
is on the air.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I'm doctor Jack Stockwell at forbiddendoctor dot com. The study
that just was recently published from West Virginia University and
Morgan State University. Uh, you know, and as I said,
it kind of offers a kind of a happy sunny
view of coffee's positive associations with better health, including a
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connection to longer life. And so I've and I was
just talking about in some of the categories they were examining,
it didn't matter whether it was caffeinated or decaffeinated, especially
in its in its ability to somehow be ventative against diabetes. Now,
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I remember reading a study like that, my goodness, maybe
ten twenty years ago, and then it kind of got buried.
You didn't hear much about it. But it's back out
in the in the in the public again, or the
public mindset. Anyway, What about coffee additives, What about sugars?
What about creamers? Well, they may serve to blunt some
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of the positive effects added sugar, in particular, they said,
can negate some of the neuroprotective weight related benefits. While
studies of the creamers they say, you know, we we
have inconsistent results with the creamers. But as far as
sugar is concerned, it may remove some of the benefits
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of the coffee. Now, there are those who just love
their coffee black, and there are you know, they're locally
roasted coffee suppliers. And organic is always the best because
coffee beans are pretty heavily sprayed. But if you can
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get yourself connected with organic, you're going to be that
much better off. However, the paper did say that black
coffee definitely tends towards better weight control. Now the paper
also warned against high consumption of coffee among pregnant women,
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and while the high intakes of coffee may trigger anxiety
or sleep disturbances in the general population, it said this
may not be the best thing in the world for
pregnant women to drink because caffeine will go across the
placental barrier, which is no surprise because almost everything goes
across the placental barrier. The placental barrier is there primarily
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to make sure mama's blood is not mixed with baby's blood.
The blood that is developing in the fetus that becomes
this baby is the baby's own blood, and the baby's
blood type is going to be determined ninety nine times
out of one hundred by either the mother or the
father's blood type. And if mom and dad have the
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same blood type, the baby's going to have that blood type.
But you have to keep mama's blood separate. Now, all
of the nutrients that's in mama's blood will go across
the placental barrier, which is how the baby eats, how
it's fed, how it's nourished. And then of course the
baby's waste stuff waste material, which isn't too much that's
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in the blood goes back across the barrier into mama's blood,
so mama can filter it out. And caffeine is something
that does go across the blood brain or the obviously
the blood barrier. That's where you get the caffeine high,
but the baby can get it. So they said, you know,
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we really don't want to recommend pregnant women drinking coffee.
We can't say why because we're not sure the study
doesn't go that far. But you know, that's why pregnant
women have to be very, very careful about what they
eat and drink, because, as I said, it's going to
go across the blood brain barrier. I have a couple
of more comments to make about this, and then I
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want to get into this interesting relationship between a ketogenic
diet and the decrease in depression in this new pilot's
study of seventy percent rate. So when I get back
a couple more things about coffee, then I want to
talk about depression. I'm doctor Jack Stockwell at Forbidden Doctor
dot com. Will be right back.
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Now. I've been talking about coffee and I want to
read to you a direct quote that came from the
end of the study because the authors describe the observational
evidence of coffee and health that the collected over the
past two decades has relatively saturated. In other words, you
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don't have to go far to find the kind of
information that I just relate to you in the previous
several minutes of this program. So they said this at
the end of the paper. Therefore, it is unlikely that
prospective cohort studies add substantial new information. If any new
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cohorts are developed, or if repeated data collection is considered,
it may be useful to ask detailed questions about the
types of coffee drinking. In other words, go deeper into
the difference between caffeinated and decaffeinated, Go into the difference
of people's response. And this is like over a decade
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or more, not like how they felt last week after
drinking coffee or something. It's it's long term studies. What
happens if you put in cream, What happens if you
put in cream and sugar? What if you are consuming
ground coffee as well as a whole bean that you
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grind yourself, and other kinds of variance, And you know
that someone out there is going to do this, and
I just think that's kind of interesting that they want
to look into this because there's always been this push
back and forth as to whether coffee is good for
you or bad for you. But like anything else, you
can overdo it. I mean, there's no issue about that.
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There are studies, interestingly out of wine producing nations that
a glass of wine with your dinner will help digestion,
help mint, or balance sugar or blood sugar, but not
three or four glasses of wine. Well, you know, the
same thing applies to coffee here, and they said it's
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about three and a half. The high point of the
good results of whether it was caffeinated or decaffeinated was
around three and a half cups of coffee. And now
one more thing about decaffeinated. You know, decaffeinated coffee still
has caffeine in it, just not very much because there's
this leeching system that the beans go through in a
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chemical solution to leach the caffeine out of the coffee,
but not all of it comes out. Some of it
stays behind. And then there's the argument about, yeah, but
what about the chemicals that they use to get the
caffeine out. Wouldn't you be better just drinking caffeinated coffee
and not the chemicals that go with the decaffeination. No, no, no,
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the chemicals involved with decaffeination are washed back out with
the caffeine. You don't need to worry about this. So
that's an area that require a little bit more study.
But there are coffee enemas. I always get that kind
of a question from my patient. That may sound a
little odd to be putting coffee up your butt, but
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we know that it has a tremendous detoxification and pain
relief for patients. Because the hemorrhoidal vein that's just inside
the anus, it has to be caffeinated. Coffee decaffeinated won't work.
So when someone does a coffee enema, it triggers the
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hemorrhoidal vein inside the anus, inside the rectum to cause
the ducts, the ducts, the ductal structures inside the liver
to open up, and it allows the deliver to detoxify
itself into the bile and into the blood for water
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soluble contaminants that can get out of the body through
the urine. And this has been well known and well
studied and proven for decades, if not over one hundred
years or so. They also know that an interesting idea
about coffee, and I want to get into this depression
stuff that just the aroma. Just smelling coffee, whether if
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someone is brewing some fresh coffee, whether you drink it
or not, will activate certain genes in the brain, a
positive activation. And then there's a study I didn't get
a chance to get into coffee and black tea with
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lower risks of kidney cancer. And then, of course the
thing that I've often told my patients that drink coffee,
if you're going to drink it, put put in a
tablespoon of butter. What yeah, put in a tablespoon of butter. Well,
I don't. I like my coffee black. It's okay, it's
still going to be black. But you get you use
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a blender. This is what I wasn't planning on talking
about this, but I think I should. Everybody's got a blender,
and you take the glass bowl part of the of
the blender and put it under the super hot water
in your sink and heat it up as much as
you possibly can so it's good and hot. Then you
take your brood coffee a cupsworth or two cupsworth, and
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put it into this blender and put in a good
tape a teaspoony, maybe even a tablespoon of butter and
just blend it like there's snow tomorrow and drink that.
And that way you are getting the anti stiffness factor,
what's called the wolves in factor. That is in butter
of grass pastured butter, not the commercial butters. It has
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to come from dairy cattle that eat only grass out
in the pasture, and that it's in the supermarkets. You
can buy it. It's a little more expensive, but it's
actually very healthy stuff. So when patients ask me about that,
which they don't ask very much, I might get that
question once a year, but yeah, go ahead, put some
butter in here, or some MCT oil medium chain triglyceride oil,
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because your brain will love you for it, all right,
and then of course the intimation that it will boost
longevity by drinking coffee. All right, there's this study that
the ketogenic diet. Ketogenic diet is a diet that generates
ketones and keytnes are derived from fats, and your brain
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loves key tones and your heart loves key tones. Their energy,
they're just they're little bundles of energy ready to explode
in the body to give you much greater energy, but
they carry a lot of other good benefits, Like there's
a growing body of evidence that connects issues like insulin
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resistance and excess body fat to an increased risk of depression,
and they think it's probably coming through inflammatory pathways, and
so you want to stay away from things that promote
inflammation with the brain as well as promoting things that
helped to decrease inflammation in the brain. And so this
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study was designed as this perspective trial, meaning that all
the participants receive the same dietary intervention without comparing to
a control group. And they after an extensive screening process
to confirm eligibility for the study and rule out conditions
like eating disorders, they narrowed it down to about twenty
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four students who began the study with sixteen that actually
completed the ten to twelve week intervention, and they said
that the people who are doing the study this clinical
psychology state. One of the things we really wanted to
make sure of is that we were providing a treatment
for people who met the diagnostic criteria for having major
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depressive disorder. And each participant had about a two and
a half hour interview at the beginning and then weekly
assessments of their symptoms. But before starting the diet, each
participant received this detailed educational session and so this well
formulated heatogenic diet required them to limit carbo hydrate intake
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to less than fifty grams a day and to consume
a moderate amount of protein and then to get the
rest of their calories from fat with an emphasis on
food sources like olive oil, nuts, fatty fish, and to
help with to help to offset the costs, the research
team provided some staple ketogenic foods and support from dietitians
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through the entire process, and they said it was very
important to make sure the participants knew what they were
getting themselves into and a big part of increasing chances
for adherence to the diet was talking to each individual
about what they like and what they don't like, so
we could tailor some of the suggestions how they could
put their studies together so they attract several different outcomes.
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That there's a lot of different kinds of tests, a
written questionnaires that they would do as they go through
the process, and so the students would monitor their morning
keytone and glucose levels, and then they would assess body
composition using scans percentage, protein percentage fat that they would
be giving blood samples and taking cognitive tests on an
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iPad and the results. Interestingly enough, the results showed a
robust and sustained decrease in depression symptoms among the sixteen
students who completed the study. Self reported, of course, depression
scores dropped by an average of sixty nine percent from
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the beginning to the end of the intervention, and the
clinic related scores showed a similar seventy one percent reduction.
In other words, how they judged themselves and how the
clinics the clinical overseers of the study judged them One
was sixty nine the other was seventy nine percent. So
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Ryan Patel, a psychiatrist in Ohio State who worked with
these students during the trial, said this, the average effective
size for medications and counseling after twelve weeks is about
fifty percent, and we saw a substantially greater result. That
is an impressive finding across the board. This is real
world setting. Everybody got better across the board. And so
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alongside with all the mental health improvements, they noticed of
course physical changes, because fifteen of the sixteen students lost
a significant amount of weight, the average loss about five kilograms,
were around eleven pounds, and the weight loss was predominantly
body fat. So the diet was also associated they found
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with better cognitive function, and so they saw improvements in
episodic memory, processing speed, executive functions, and their self reported
global well being increased nearly three hundred percent over the
course of the intervention. And so one of the studies
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senior authors at Ohio State said, the idea is that
the ketogenetic diet is working through a variety of potentially
different mechanisms. There's a whole range of physiological metabolic adaptations
to the diet that could overlap with some of the
pathophysiology of depression. A bunch of big words. Anyway, what's
the bottom line. Well, many people are suffering right now
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from depression and all they're doing is getting rugs and counseling.
Why would a ketogenetic that increases fat in the diet
make a difference, Because your brain, by dry weight, is
more fat than anything else. Your brain is more than
fifty percent fat. Something to keep in mind. But this
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is one of the first really well controlled studies, and
I would advise you to look into it further. If
you yourself or you know somebody close who may be
having depressive symptoms to look into the ketogenic diet. There's
various forms of it. I'm doctor Jack Stockwell once again
proud and happy to be a part of the Doug
Stefan Good Day Health Show at forbiddendoctor dot com.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Doug Stefan here with Good Day Health, doctor Jack Stockwell
is on the air. Who is a NUKA chiropractor? Often
do people ask you on whether it's your local show
there where your clinic is in Salt Lake City, or
whether the thing is the service that we provide for listeners,
either on all the radio stages of carry Good Day
Health around the country or on the download the podcast.
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Do people ask you what nuoka means? What is a nuke?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
All the time? All the time, It's just an anagram
n u CCA and UCCA National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association
h I deal with the entire spine. I change shoulder positions,
I change hip positions. I on twist knees. But it's
all done from the very top bone in the neck
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because it's the only bone that is freely moveable compared
to all the rest of the bones. Because all the
rest of the bones are joined together with discs and
their movement occurs as a unit. As a group, the
top bone can move independent of everything else, and interestingly enough,
very important nerve tissue that's in the spinal cord, the
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running right on the outer edge of that spinal cord,
right where I do my work, is where the balancing
mechanisms are located to allow the shoulders to be level,
for the hips to be level, for the hips to untwist,
for the upper chest to untwist and come back to
an absolutely normal position. So people who aren't completely familiar
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with what I do think I just work on next.
I don't. That's just my playground. It affects the entire
body's balance against gravity, and so which is why I
tout that knee surgery is the most canceled surgery as
a result of what we do in our office. And
I never even touch below the first bone in the
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neck simply because it allows the leg to untwist. Most
knee pain is because the femur the thigh itself is
twisting on the lower leg and causing uneven joint erosion
in the joint space. And when that can untwist and
come back to its normal position. I mean, I've had people, Oh,
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bone on bone, Doc, you can't help me, it's bone
on bone. Well let's see, let's see if I can.
Many times even bone on bone responds really well, you're a.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Perfect example of people when they say I've got a
bone to pick with you. Actually we can turn around
you have a bone to pick with them. It here's
the bone. Here's a question about attitude. People their bodies,
our bodies, all of our bodies, I think reflect our
state of mind. Frankly, we have a good, healthy state
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of mind. If our happy, I think our body is
happier for the most part. I know whether you can
reflect on that because I read something about hobbies and
whether they're physical hobbies or whether they're brainiac things, they
can help eliminate a sad face. Do you think that
that's stretching it a.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Bit or do you think no, no, no, no, no,
that's it's absolutely true. We know that something that has
a profound effect on the expression of genes is the
outer edge of the cell. And the outer edge of
the cell is definitely affected by the way that we think.
Because when we're positive and we're upbeat and we're happy
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there are there's a preponderance of serotonin oxytocin being released
in the brain as well as supporting hormones through the
rest of the body that actually innervate the cell wall
that allows the genetic expression of that cell to come
through the way it's supposed to. On the other hand,
when we're negative and bitchy and moany and complaining and
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pointing fingers all the time, it has the exact opposite effect,
which is why Andrew wil wrote an incredible book about
thirty years ago, you can think yourself in disease, you
can think yourself out of disease. Based on that simple comment.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I think that's so true your attitude. And the reason
that I go down the street is because we've gone
into fall and then it in winter, and people start
trying to do with what they call seasonal adjust disorder
or sad. We don't have much of it in the summertime.
We get a lot of it in the winter time,
depending on where you live. And I wonder if that
isn't just a figment of our imaginations.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
No, no, no, no no. The body's need for calcium is
absolutely paramount that we have a gland in our body
that controls calcium. All other minerals controlled by the kidney.
Calcium is released in the body through the presence of
vitamin D. When we move into the fall, we have
less sunshine, we usually have less vitamin D and less
(35:34):
we're supplementing, so we end up with less calcium in
the system and that definitely will affect your attitude.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
There is more words to the wise and they are sufficient.
Try to check Jack out every week on the Good
Day Health Show is hour on the air and then
the podcast available wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dug Stephan,
happy to be here.
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Please visit bobksound dot com. It's the Good Day Health
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