10-03-25 Spooky Season -- Urban Legends

It's SPOOKY SEASON on KLRNRadio, and all the shows try to get in on the fun! Join Aggie and Rick as they talk urban legends! 

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of he said. She said, I am one of your
hosts for tonight, Aggie, and with me is the very
awesome rowdy Rick. How are you doing tonight?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Awesome?

Speaker 6 (03:48):
What I said, what I said? This is this is
he said, she said, and I said it.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, Well, how you doing? How you doing?

Speaker 6 (03:59):
I'm doing. I've I've been trying to keep busy today,
so but not really.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, I know the feeling.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
I mean, I went to town, I ran errands, you know,
I did dinner, I did KP, you know, the usual
chores that are you know, required to keep the house
functioning and whatever.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
So I did that that nice. Yeah, I I didn't
do anything nearly as productive today. I did my I
did the morning show, and then I was I'm like
the same thing. I have a last Friday, Like I'm
gonna go eat lunch and then I'm gonna come back here,
I'm gonna go back to work. And then I didn't
ever go back to work. Really, I really just gotta

(04:45):
not let myself eat till I finish what I'm doing.
But I was starving, so I couldn't wait because I
had that breakfast get either, I didn't finish to like now,
and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna eat, and it's like, okay,
now I gotta go back, but I don't want to.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
But I don't want to. I wasn't gone. Uh oh.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
But it works out well enough because I'm doing extra
shifts tonight anyway, because I'm gonna go hang on a
busy show here when we're done about an hour later.
So I guess it works out well enough.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
Wow, ok right, Well you know, whatever, what was it?
Whatever flicks are big? Whatever floats your both?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
I don't know anymore. So, yeah, I caught your show
with Brad this afternoon. There has been an exponential explosion
of me Marie on X as regards our administration, and
I can, I can. I can honestly say I am

(05:45):
totally here for this.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Really has been a lot of fun.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
It's funny because I have friends on both sides, and
you know, I have a friend that really laments the
fact that it's it's childish, and she wants to go
back to when we had high standards and we were
you know, diplomatic and you know, high standing and all

(06:14):
this stuff, and and you know, and I understand where
she's coming from. I miss Reagan too, you know. I
grew up with Reagan, and I loved the way he
was so smooth when he was absolutely cutting somebody off
at the knees. It was. It was masterful to see that,
and I learned a lot from him actually after his administration,

(06:39):
when you know, I could access when all his stuff
came on YouTube and everything. I got to I appreciated
it more in my and when I grew older.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
But one of the things that it's interesting that you
bring up Reagan because one of the things that I
have been trying to get people who were so enamored
with Reagan to understand was he was the one who
was stepping on everybody's toes in that day and time. Yes,
because he was the one who was uncouth, and he
was the one who wasn't holding to convention, and he

(07:15):
was the one who was stepped across it and just
and that's right across lines and everything else in this
show exactly.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
And this is what I ended up telling her. I
was like, I don't think you're remembering it as the
way it was. I think you're remembering it because it
was so well done that you didn't notice it. But
he was the one that was pushing all the buttons.
And she was like, you really think someone's like you
need to go look at all of his stuff again,

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because he really did, and he stepped a lot of
toads and people did not know how to They didn't
know how to recover from that, they didn't know how
to respond to it. So, you know, she was she
was all about the whole you know, you know, we
were better than that. We need to you know what
our And I said, you know that, but I'm off

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the opinion that the time for that is long gone.
Our culture has slid down to the point where because
public education. This was a leap that I made, but
actually I think it does make sense because public education
has actually dumbed everything down to the lowest common denominator.
That's what we have in politics now, and that is

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the only way to reach the people now is for
us to reach to the lowest common denominator. And the
lowest common denominator out there are memes. We all know this.
This is true, and the right is exceptionally good at memakree,
but the left is trying so hard that they actually

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don't They have a book the left can mean or something,
and we're like, yeah, you still can't, not even with
a book. So, you know, I've been enjoying it. I
think it's from a cultural standpoint, it's pivotal. It's it
has become a it has become a thing. It's and
it's starting to seep into other cultures. I don't know

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if you guys follow other countries, other governments, other you know,
politicians outside of the US fear, but I have seen
it in Italy, and I have seen it in Spain,
and I have seen it in Puerto Rico. Like that,
that kind of thing is taking off. It's not just

(09:35):
our side here, it's it's becoming global. So so it's
been it has been fun. I I special shout out
to you guys recovering today.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
What I love is when I explained to everybody that
you know that that not not only was Reagan not
the norm for Republicans during the day, Reagan is again
the one who drove a lot of Republican standard bearers
to the other side. I would like to remind everybody
that Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater girl pre Reagan. Oh yes,

(10:10):
because they and they they didn't and they, oh, this
is not what we do. This is not who we are,
and yeah, trust me, yeah it actually is because eventually
you just have to realize that that marquee of Queensberry
rules don't work when you're in a knife fight. I
wish they did, but and and unfortunately Reagan even found

(10:30):
that out the hard way because he was the one
and I remember he was famous for this. He was
on one of the I think he was one of
the first presidents that I know of to do a
talk show, because I think he was on one of them,
if I remember right here where it was an interview
that he gave later, and he was talking about how
you know that from eight to five he and Tip

(10:51):
O'Neil I think it was Tip O'Neil more mortal enemies.
But then after five o'clock they'd go up a beer together.
That stopped with Reagan because of what they did with
the amnesty thing. Before. During Reagan's time, everybody in Congress
state lunch together. They talked, they hung out, they chilled out,
they went to family functions together because they really did

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try to get along with everybody. And then one side
felt completely betrayed by the other, and that's when the
rift really started, and it's never been able to be
healed because ever since that time, all the Left does
is lie over and over and over again and then
try to say that we're the ones doing it. I
just I don't know how to heal that anymore. I

(11:33):
don't know how we fix it, and I don't even
know if it needs to be fixed anymore, because they
still haven't learned anything. They're still lying today. You can
show them the exact pinion of where it said everything
that they're trying to do that they say they're not
trying to do, and then they're like, well, if you
get down to the next paragraph, what it really says
is I don't need to go to the next paragraph.
I'm looking at this one.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
I get the frustration, and honestly, there are there a
camp that says, oh, everything can be fixed, and I'm like, no,
for the same reason that the Wig party went away,
this cannot be fixed. This there is there is a
shift that is happening. Both parties are experiencing this shift.
One of them is experiencing a shift, and it's not

(12:18):
recognizing that the shift is irreparable. So all you can
do is just watch and see what happens and what
rises from those ashes. And the thing is, you know,
we do have historical happenings that and that are echoing

(12:39):
today that have happened before, Like I mentioned the Whig
Party and everything, So you know, these shifts happen, these
cycles happen. It it's inevitable. So all you can do
is just either watch from the sidelines or enjoy the right.

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Speaker 6 (13:33):
Oh wow, that's amazing. That's kind of generous.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
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You can try it for a month. And it works
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I just move. I didn't want to. How did we
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don't have it.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Well, that's incredibly generous. I'm kind of like tearing up
right now, right kind of how I feel. Anyway, So
now that we've covered our politics, our little bitch fest
for tonight, I guess we can dive into our favorite
urban legends.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
And there are a lot of them. So I actually
started I started digging around and doing some specific ones
because I knew you were going to bring up at
least a couple from Puerto Rico, so I started looking
for ones in Oklahoma and Texas.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
So, well, you know, it's really funny because there was
one in Oklahoma that I had heard about when I
was in college or right out of college, and I
was like, ah, wait, there's a Bermuda triangle in Oklahoma,
and nobody told me about this n that was. It

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freaked me out when I first heard about it, and
then I put it on my mind because scaredy cat.
And then you know, when I got the the inspiration
to do you know, urban legends today, I was like,
you know, I seem to recall one, and I wonder
if Rick might bring it up. So I'm pretty sure
you'll probably bring this one up.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Oh yeah, I actually already had that one.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
Yeah, So I'm gonna leave it for you because I
don't know much about it. I just remember hearing that
there was something like a Bermudia triangle somewhere in Oklahoma,
and I was like, what, well, so.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I don't want any anybody to get the wrong idea.
It's not it's not quite like the Bermuda Triangle, but
it does have a rather interesting mystery, and it actually
is kind of kind of considered Oklahoma's version of the
Bermuda Triangle, I guess, but since it's landlocked, it doesn't
really mean much to call it that, but you know whatever,
But you.

Speaker 6 (15:57):
Know what I mean, like, there's a there's a vortex somewhere.
I don't know, I have no idea. What I like,
I said, I've only heard about it in reference to
it being similar to the Bermuda Triangle.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
So yeah, did you've already brought it up? If you
want to it now?

Speaker 6 (16:13):
If you want, yes, yes, Because I'm very curious about this.
I was like, how is it possible that people get
lost or whatever there?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
So yeah, I just so since she did bring it up.
Oklahoma does have a legend that is basically described as
its own version of the Bermutera Triangle. It's called the
Shamans Portal, or well, actually I guess it's called the
Shaman's Portal. It's located in Beaver Dune State Park in
the Oklahoma Panhandle. So here's some things that you might

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want to know about it. It's in Beaver Dune State
Park in Beaver, Oklahoma. It's in the Panhandle region on
US Highway two seventy. The legend supposedly dates back to
the fifteen hundreds, during the time of It wouldn't be
surprised that you would know about this one. During the
times of Spanish explore Francisco Vasquez. The Coronadough legend says

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some of his men chasing strange lights green lightning or
green flashes vanished while in the dunes. Native American guides
or local tribes have often warned and did warn Coronado
himself about the area, considering it cursed or dangerous, and
over the years people claim more modern disappearances, though most

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almost all of them are unverified. Weird lights, UFO sightings,
people feeling disory, and it's strange glowing phenomenon in the dunes.
It's got all of it, man, it's got all of it.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
I just that's wild. I mean, it's not something that
I expect in uh, you know, but okay, that was
that's trippy. Do you think that it has anything to
do with perhaps forgotten burial sites in the area or

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anything like that.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
There's I can tell there's not any real explanation or
even any real theories about what causes it, but or
what has caused it. But that would since it does
seem to predominantly spring from Native legends, that's just about
as good an answer as any. So it wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
That would be interesting to do some ultra sonic snapping
in the area to see if there is indeed former
burial areas or something to that effect.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
But I mean, well, yeah, now I'm actually curious, so
I may actually plan a trip out there sometimes. So yeah,
I'll make sure I tell everybody in advance, so if
you never hear from me again, you'll know why.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
I do think it's kind of interesting because green lights
are associated in alchemy with copper, copper beads, beads, as in,
when you're putting fire to copper, that kind of like
a cool bead or a warm bead, so copper will

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be green. And do you have Are there any copper
minds in the state of or Oklahoma?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't know, but I can find out real.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
Quick because it's kind of weird that they specifically said
green lights. It's not very common back then, it wasn't
very common to see light in that color, unless, like
I said, you were an alchemist. So that's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Okay, So there are a apparent lyas some copper mines
in Oklahoma. However, from years I can tell, it doesn't
look like there are any in the exact vicinity of
the Beaver Dunes area.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
So ah, okay, interesting. You know, I was gonna go
with the whole copper thing. Copper is not the only
one that burns green, but it's the main one that
does so, which is why I was like, hmm, I
wonder if you know, maybe there's a relationship, but apparently not.
I do think it's kind of odd that there have

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been disappearances. Could there have been.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Hmm, hang on, hang on? It looked like I don't
know if there was a mine, but it looks like
there was some sort of a query where they believe
there might have been some copper. And then that is
somewhere near Beaver. It's not it so according to that,

(20:57):
it doesn't it doesn't ever register as any up of
a copper mind, but there is a querry where they
believe there may have been some bit of copper. That
was the Gabler Hutting Pits, and that is actually near Biber, Oklahoma,
which is right in that area. So also there was
another one in Winchell Pit in Beaver County. Again not

(21:22):
really any record of any copper, but because it was
more of a service surface esca excavation area. But you know,
you never know, maybe maybe there were hints of copper
in in there somewhere.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
I mean, that could have been. But like I said,
you actually have to set fire to the it has
to touch fire, it doesn't you know, Copper won't like
flash green out of nowhere, So there has to be

(21:57):
some kind of combustion going on, which, you know, that's
kind of interesting. I don't know, it's far fetched. Yeah,
you know, Copper, because the description of having green lights
is so rare to find, especially when you are a
conquistador who is out here trying to discover new places,

(22:20):
trying to you know, conquer lands and whatever. That is
not something you expect to see. So for it to
be a description and it's it kind of stands out
for me. So well, that's really interesting. It's more decks

(22:41):
before you go out. Before you go out there, please
buy all that is holy, send out text to all
your friends, check in every hour, and then let us
know when you.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Get home nice and then yeah, I will trust me
if I do it at all. It won't until sometime
probably after winter, because I'm not trying to go out
and this miss Now this we can start trying to
get cold. It'll be a while.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Oh man, Okay, Well that's it. It's good to know
places and he needs to avoid in the future in Oklahoma.
That bean top of my list.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, that's no fun. Why do you want to.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
Actually, I was, it's really funny because I know where
you live. And then I found out that a friend
of mine just moved to Mustang and yeah, that's not
very far, at least in Texas terms, So.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
That's about forty five minutes for me, so it's really
not that far.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
Yeah, So I was, I was hoping to actually make that.
And then you know, my husband has gaming friends and everything.
That one lives in Okay City, So I'm like, okay,
so we can meet up with all of these people.
Just just go one weekend and do all that. So
that's that's a future thing. I'll keep your priced.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Fun time.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
All right, Well, I guess I should talk about one
that is very famous. Everybody knows about it because everybody
has heard it, and everybody has their own version. But
in Hispanic areas, the legend of La jo Rona is
probably the most widely known, most talked about urban legend

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that there is, and it actually has it gets conflated
with several other myths and other legends from the time
of the Aztecs onward. But my favorite rendition, if you
can call it, that, is this woman she i don't

(25:06):
know she's she marries a conquistado, so she is of
native blood, and she marries one of the conquistadors and
has two children, and one day she finds him with
another woman who is not Native, she is, you know, Spanish,

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and so in a fit of rage, she takes her
children and drowns them in the river, and in full remorse,
she tries to drown herself. But because she is stuck,
not being able to ascend, she's stuck haunting the waters forever.
And so a lot of places say that if you
go to this particular river, or this particular brook, or

(25:57):
this particular street, you're gonna hear her. Every stream, every lake,
every river, every body of water in Hispanic areas has
an attached to it somehow. But I remember in Puerto
Rico we have one same thing. She was a native

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woman who who was beloved by a conquistador who left
her for to go back to Spain, and in despair
she drowned her children and tried to drown herself as well.
And then but you have other Hispanic circles where they're
talking about that she kills the children because the husband

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ah wants to take them away. From her because they're
not married, so he wants to be with his wife
and take the two children away from her and the
mistress who have to because she becomes because she drowns
the children rather than leave them with the husband and
the wife. So you have that one as well, and

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then you have the one that's conflated with a an
Aztec h story, La Malince, I think, and who she
is not considered a good person in Mexico because she

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ateed the conquistadores and she gave birth to children of
Ernando Cortes. So Cortes leaves her, and so she gets
mad and trowns the kid, and then she becomes Laona
So but that was a I think that's a separate
but it always gets conflated because it's so similar and

(27:54):
several you know, there's there's a Venezuelan history with it.
There's Venezuelan legend, excuse me, Colombian legend. I my friend
from Ushuia in Argentina says there's one in Argentina as well.
So everybody in Hispanic circles has their own version of

(28:15):
lajo Rona. But my favorite is the one about she
catches her husband cheating on her with another woman of
higher you know, higher birth, and so she decides to
drown the children and drown herself. But because she killed
her children, she cannot pass to purgatory. She's just stuck

(28:36):
in limbo, and so she haunts the waters forever.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, I'm missh and I have talked about that crazy
one before, so yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
It's it's it's amazing how that story runs just almost
the same throughout different Hispanic cultures. And you know a
lot of people say, oh, Hispanic culture is the same. Wa, No,
actually we're not. I mean, I know people that get
upset if you say they're from this side of Cuba

(29:09):
instead of the other side. Seriously, I mean, they're very
we're very divisive that way. I've been. I don't get
mad when people think I'm Mexican. But I've no Puerto
Ricans that get mad if somebody calls them Mexican, and
I've no Mexicans that get mad and call them Cubans.
So it's not unusual to have the same stories but

(29:30):
with different flavor. Yeah, you know, so the Puerto Rican one,
like I said, it was, it was slightly different than
the one from Mexico, which is slightly different from the
one in Colombia is really harsh, like she chopped up
her kids and threw them in the river. So it's like, whoa,

(29:51):
I no, that's that's a line. That's a really hard
line for me. That's I don't know what happened there.
I'd stopped reading. I just didn't want to know. But
the one in Argentina's it's different. They drowned in the
sea because she was she decided to leave him and
decided to go by boat, but the boat sank, and

(30:15):
rather than let the children suffer, she threw them over sea,
over the rail into the sea so they would drown quickly.
So it's they're different takes on lajo Na, but I
think that it's probably the most widely known in Hispanic circles,
and it's one of my favorites to tell kids who
are not behaving. I can imagine, well, you know, I

(30:39):
don't want to scare them, I just want to give
them the huh what if? What if? You know? I
there are some that are really scary, and to this
day I can't even talk about them because when I
was little, my grandmother would tell me these things just
to get me to go to bed, which actually defeats
the purpose of you know, because I couldn't sleep. I

(31:02):
couldn't sleep after she tells me about all the boogeymen
that are out in the gambo out there in the
in the the coffee plantation that they had, you know,
among the plantains and the sugar cane and down by
the river. Who's gonna sleep knowing there's twenty people watching you?
So yeah, but that was her logic. I don't know,

(31:22):
but whatever. So yeah, So that's probably the most well
known of the urban legends where I'm from.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Very nice, very nice. All right. So for those of
you who don't know yet, Amish and I are doing
cryptids this month, and I found a cryptid urban legend
crossover from Oklahoma. Whoa, Yeah, it's called the Oklahoma Octopus.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
The what now?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
The Oklahoma octopus? Apparently it's a giant, man eating cephalopod
said to lurk in the depths of Oklahoma's man made lakes,
dragging unsuspecting swimmers to their doom. This urban legend blends
elements of folklore, fear of the unknown, andy dash of
what would normally be considered a biological impossibility. So what

(32:13):
is this legend exactly. According to the lore, the Oklahoma
octopus is a massive, horse sized beast with long, powerful tentacles,
leathery reddish brown skin, and an insatiable hunger for human flesh.
It's blamed for a string of unexplained drownings in Oklahoma's lakes,
where victims are said to be pulled under without warning,

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no screams, no struggle, just a ripple on the surface.
The creature allegedly uses its suckered arms to latch onto
legs or torsos, yanking people into the murky depths for
a watery feast. Some versions of this legend describe it
as a freshwater demon with eight arms, strong enough to
overpower adults, evoking primal fears of what's hiding just below

(32:58):
the water line. The legend has roots in Native American
folklore dating back over two hundred years, with tales of
a strange aquatic monster craving human meat, though no specific
travel stories directly match, and most octopus myths come from
Pacific Northwest tribes like the Hyada. Modern retellings often tie

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it to real tragedies in Oklahoma's lakes. Apparently, it is
said to live in areas such as Lake Thunderbird, which
is not too far from me, a Lake ten Killer
and that's in the Ozark Mountains, and Lake Uluga in
northeast Oklahoma.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
I did not that was not on my Bengal card
of cryptids and legends. You're welcome. There's an Oklahoma octopus.
What I mean? You are landlocked and I are there

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fresh water occupy it? I don't think there are. But
I'm not an octopus uh, you know, expert by any stretch,
so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Well, that's why this one qualifies is more of an
urban legend.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
It's a good cryptid though, I mean, think about it.
It's you know, like I said, you are landlocked, but
you have an octopus and that's epic. Oh goodness. I

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know that there are several other I guess interesting.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
One of the one of the urban legends, and I'm
not sure if it's an urban legend or not. It's
classified as wine, but there's I don't know. For me.
I think there's a thread of possibility in it. And
I've always been very what's the word I'm looking for? Interested?

(35:12):
It's not interested, intrigued by the possibility that there is
a thread of truth to this one. It's the skin Walkers.
The legend of the skin Walkers has always fascinated me
because even people in you know, law enforcement and people

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who do cold cases and of that have expressed the
possibility that certain crimes may have been committed by something
along these lines, and that has always intrigued me. The
thought that there's you know, that the skin walker le

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legend is they say that they're former healers and and
the you know Native American healers, and they turned bad,
they turned evil, and so they can shape shift into
other people, other animals. They it's it's you know, and

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a lot of people question the possibility because sometimes the
crimes that have been committed are so brutal in nature
that it cannot possibly have been a human doing it.
I mean, that's that's how rooted this legend happens to

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be in this part of the world. And you know,
in the Southwest. It's not just native to Arizona, I believe,
the Utah and New Mexico. It spreads throughout the Utah, Nevada,
New Mexico, Arizona, all of that area. I mean as
part is as far as southern Colorado. But the concept

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of having something that that evil walking, you know, among us,
and being able to still commit brutal crimes like that.
You know, it just it has been a subject of
fascination even for law enforcement, which kind of tells you
how how deeply ingrained the concept is in this culture.

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So I always thought that the legend of the skin
Walkers was not so much myth. I mean, I'm willing
to give it some weight, you know.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
Yeah, I'm not sure I can give the Alkoholma octopus weight,
but I could with the skin Walkers, because you know
that it's just that the.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
I guess the legend of it, and it hasn't changed.
And that is one thing that has always intrigued me,
that the legend itself. A lot of the legends, some
people will add to it, some people will subtract, depending
on how society. The social more is that change with
time things of that nature. This one has not. This

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one has stayed the same for a very long time.
So that's one of the reasons why it has intrigued me.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, no, I can see that. I don't know Steve
Stephen King's Stephen King run the Skinwalkers for me too.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
Well, he ruins everything. He ruined, clans, he run, he
runed everything, He ruined lesbian ants, he ruined everything.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Nice used to be cool man.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
So what's another one that you've got?

Speaker 1 (39:04):
So this one is one of the last ones I
found from Oklahoma that I thought was interesting. And it's
called the Parallel Forest. This could be termed as Oklahoma's
eerie government experiment, and it was located in the Wichita Mountains,
so nestled in the rugged Wichitaw Mountains Wildlife Refuge, a
wildlife refuge near Lawton, Oklahoma, the Parallel Forests, and as

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one of the state's most surreal natural or unnatural depending
on how you look at it, wonders this isn't your
typical woodland. It is meticulously engineered a grid of a
thousand cedar trees planted by the federal government nearly a
century ago to combat the ravages of the dust Bowl.

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Spanning about sixteen acres, The forest uniform rows creates an
optical illusion of infinite parallels, evoking everything from a sci
fi maze to a scene straight out of a horror flick.
While it's a fascinating slice of environmental history, its isolated,
otherworldly vibe has spawned endless tales of hauntings, portals, and

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paranormal encounters, making it a magnet for hikers, ghost hunters,
and conspiracy enthusiasts alike. In the nineteen thirties, the dust
Bowl turned much of the Great Plains, including Oklahoma, into
a barren wasteland of choking dust storms, crop failures, and
economic despair. To stem soil erosion and act as a windbreak,

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the Civilian Conservation Core and Soil Conservation Services planted over
twenty thousand eastern red cedars in a precise grid pattern,
exactly six feet apart in every direction. The goal trees
that grew tall and straight, not bushy, to form an

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imp impenetrable barrier against the wind. This experimental plot, near Mirrors, Oklahoma,
right off of State Route one point fifteen, was one
of many such efforts, but it's the only one that
survived in this hyper uniformed state. The project was abandoned
after World War Two as more effective conservation methods emerged,

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leaving the forest to mature into its current form, a dense,
dark thicket where this eaters now tower twenty to thirty
feet high, their branches intertwining to block out much of
the sunlight. Today, it's part of the one hundred and
one hundred and sorry one hundred and sixty thousand acre
Wichita Mountain Refuge, home to bison, longhorns, prairie dogs, and

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the occasional tarantula, adding to the wild untamed field. So
what exactly makes this place so creepy? From the roadside,
pull off a simple concrete pad flanked by a sentinel
line of trees. The forest looms like a green fortress,
daring you to step inside. Once you're in, the perfectly

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spaced rose create disorienting sidelines. You can see straight through
the trunks for hundreds of feet, but the uniformity warps
your sense of direction, making it shockingly easy to get
turned around. Despite the open layout, the air grows cool
and steel, with unnatural silences broken only by the rustling
of leaves or distant wildlife calls. Poison ivy lurks everywhere,

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and the underbrush hides animal tracks or worse. In legend,
it's the blend of precision and isolation that fuels the legends,
and according to visitors, they've reported the following ghostly apparitions,
shadowy figures, headless specters, or misty orbs and photos, often
near the forest center, where the grid feels the most claustrophobic,

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unexplained noises and touches, whispers on the wind with no breeze,
footsteps echoing from nowhere, or the sensation of invisible hands
brushing your skin. There also are darker rumors. Satanic rituals
are believed to have been committed here under full moons,

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time slips, or interdimensional portals, tied to nearby fort salls,
military history, and even alien activity. I blame Jeff echoing
broader Wichita Mountains lore like skin walker sightings.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
Oh great, we've come full circle.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Okay, see what I did there?

Speaker 6 (43:28):
That sounds kind of creepy. I guess this was. I
guess this was like you said, it was a dust
bowl era, So this was before forestry was actually, I
guess it's considered the science now. But yeah, you can't

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plant trees and roads like that to make a forest
because really there needs to be some variety in the
canopy and all that stuff. I learned a lot at
Texas A and M. I only took one course. I
audited it because my girlfriend was taking it and she
was very shy, and I guess back then, we didn't

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know that there was people that had issues with high
anxiety like that. So I told her, you know, I'll
audit the class with you. I mean I might learn something,
and I did. It takes a lot to design a
forest to make it look like a forest, so I
guess this was before that time. Yeah, I'm not saying

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you can't plant trees in a line. Obviously we have orchards,
you know, but if you want an actual force to
be a forest, yeah, you have to put in a
little bit of more work than that. But I guess
the disorientation, I can see where that would happen, and

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that could lead to hallucinations.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah it could. You can get disoriented enough for you, nat,
So it's been known to happen.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
I again, not visiting.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Come on it that it is?

Speaker 6 (45:15):
It is that bad?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
You're no fun.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
I really, I'm not a I like suspenseful movies. I
don't like gory, I don't like horror, but there are
some suspense things that just I feel like there's a
portal opening somewhere that I do not want to go.
So I tend to shy away from that stuff. This

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is one of them so far. Oklahoma's batting three for
three here.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
That's right, because now we're going to your neck of
the woods for the next.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Few Well, yeah, there's Puerto Rico has its share, but
like I said, Hispanic cultures tend to share like the
same things. And no, I'm not touching on the chupocabra, because.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
That's I think you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about
Puerto Rico. I found them scary ones in your current
neck of the woods.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
Oh no, no, yeah here, yeah, that's there are quite
a few. As a matter of fact, that was.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
We're gonna have Aggie on to move after the show.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
Oh gosh, I'm good to be. I'm going to sleep
the light on tonight, I can tell. But yeah, we
have a few in Puerto Rico that are exclusive to
Puerto Rico that you don't really find it anywhere else
because of the nature of where they occurred. And probably

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the most famous is La Garita and that translates to
the Devil's Sentry Box for those not familiar with Puerto Rico.
We have a beautiful promontory castle called San Felipe del Moro.

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It's El Moro and that was, you know, built by
the Spanish, and there are lookout sentry boxes stationed throughout it,
and they, you know, it looks like this little round
thing where a person can just stand and look out
to the seat to see if there's any ships coming
or anything like that. They're called gartas or sentry boxes,

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and there are space pretty well apart except for one
that's really far off. And usually depending on the time,
they were all assigned to specific personnel. So, you know,
so and so had this particular sentry box every day

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from six until noon. Somebody else had it from noon
until six, et cetera, et cetera. But they were all
assigned to that same box every day that they had
to be that they that they had sentry duty. And
the one that was really far off at night was

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inhabited by a man by the name of Sanchez. And
the way that they kept themselves awake is like every
half hour, they would the shouts would start coming from
one side. One would shout to the next sentry box,
and then from that sentry box would shout to the

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next one, and et cetera, et cetera, and then the
last one was Sanchez Box. And when they shouted to him,
they noticed that there was no answer. Well, that told
them two things. He's either passed out from drinking or
asleep from being tired. So one of theards leaves the

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supposed to go look for him. When he gets there,
there's nobody, just his uniform and his weapon leaning against
the inside of the sentry box. And from then on
they all thought that his body was taken by the devil.
This kept on being a legend well after we became

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a territory of the United States. I mean, we had
people thinking this was a legend, even after the nationalists
decided to try and kill the US governor and all
that stuff, you know, back in nineteen fifties or whatever.
I mean, people really believe this until somebody finally decided

(49:50):
to do some research and they figured out that the
guy basically just deserted and took up with a native
native woman, a Taino woman, and just fled to an
area where there were no Spanish colonizers. And the reason

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that the guy figured this out was that there was
oral history that we have in Puerto Rico from several
native groups and cliques that lived around, and there was
one in Utuado, which is a town in the central
part of Puerto Rico that told tales of a man

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who came with a Taino woman to settle with them,
and it was around the same time that Sanchez actually deserted,
and so the guy basically did tupeless due this time
pretty much he shorts for and that's what happened to
the guy. But the legend persisted, and to this day,

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that particular sentry box is actually cordoned off to the
public because so many people want to go in there
and see if the devil will take them, and there
were there. They have been hazing incidents connected to it
because students would come in the middle of the night

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and they would scale the walls, bell moto and everything.
They would try to sneak in. I mean, almar is
pretty big, so it can't be. At the time, it
wasn't being watched as well as it is today. So
they would try to come in and see if they
could spend the night there, and sometimes, you know, people
would disappear, but there was they would always come back. However,

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there were a couple of times when tried that it
did happen in that particular sentry box, and that is
one of the reasons why it's cordoned off to the
public now and it is completely watched to make sure
that people don't don't go there. But that legend persisted forever,
even and even now after pretty much being sure that

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the guy just deserted and decided to just go native,
it still persists. People really do believe that the devil
will take you at night if you're in that sentry box.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I have I have.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
I have relatives that threatened their grandchildren with that possibility.
I'm like, holy shit, I mean, stick to to Bakara Lea.
It could be a little a little bit more humane,
but no, they actually threatened their I heard my own

(52:42):
cousin threatening one of her grandchildren that she would stick
that kid in the Garrita del Diablo if he didn't
shut up, and he shut up, and I'm like, wow,
so she's threatened him with that before because she's probably
told him what happened there, and that kid now believes it.
Of course, he's only six years.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Old, so it is so interesting. Side note, kind of
sort of urban legend thing that my mom used to
scare the crap out of me when I was a kid.
I had this habit of pulling away from my mom
when we were in parking lots, and you know how
they like to put you know, when there's cracks over

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the concrete, they used hard to like you know, it's
still over the cracks. My mom pointed to one of
those and said, you see that black spot right there,
that's the last kid that pulled away from his.

Speaker 8 (53:36):
Mom in a parking one that was only like four
or five years old. So I had no way.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
Oh no, I mean, I mean my parents used to
tell me about the Boogeyman all the time. Okay, And yes,
it freaking worked. It worked like a charm. That's what
it's designed to do. You're supposed to use it so
that you scare your children into being very mindful and

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obey your you know, and be you know, use their manners,
obey their parents, you know. Blah blah blah. So I
get it. It worked with me like a charm, probably
still does. If my mom would pull that shit on me,
I'm sure that I would freeze in my tracks and
like totally sleep with all the lights off.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
And no, no, I got one for you, especially if
she's if she's still down around with you, she's go.
But I'm gonna say next time she's down your way
and she tries to pull the boogeyman stuff. Just tell
her you're going to take her to the goat man.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
If she doesn't stop, my mom would take on the chupacata.
I'm not even joking.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I don't know if she'd take off the goat man.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
Oh yeah, that's totally different, but just letting you know.
Oh man, this Puerto Rico has some of the most
interesting weird urban legends. I mean, there's there's a couple
other really sad they even they have their version of

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Lajo Dona. Like I said, there's you know, and I
didn't want to get into Chipicaba because that's cryptied. Now
you know, that's for later, I suppose. But did you
know Puerto Rico had a train? Most people don't even
know Puerto Rico had a train. I mean, Puerto Rico

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is the size of a postage stamp. But we had
a train.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Why would it have it? Why?

Speaker 6 (55:47):
For mining? I believe it was for mining. I'm not
quite sure, but I remember when I was little, my
dad would tell me about the famous train in Puerto Rico,
and there was only one, okay, and it was especially
brought to Puerto Rico from the United States, and uh,

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it was a lot of people are like, there, there's
there's some kind of legend that is attached to the
actual tunnel, uh of of the actual train. I mean
it didn't go for long. It's like maybe just a
few miles, but it would go through a tunnel and yeah, yeah,

(56:36):
I think it was called Guahataka or something or going
up but no, it's Guahataka. I think it's Guahataka and
that was the tunnel, and and it's it's haunted by
the spirits of the workers that dug the tunnel for
this train. So sometimes when you're traveling through it's not

(56:59):
a train anymore, but you can travel through it, you know,
by car, you can hear the the workers, you know.
So that's a play specific. But like I said, everybody
has some kind of tunnel you know, legend, you know,
the ghosts or whatever. But I remember that one because

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my dad telling me that we had a train, and
I was like, where train anywhere the actual train is
actually on display. I think it's outside of Punse or somewhereabouts,
but or it used to be. I I haven't been
back in a long time, but.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I md not. If you count the training is running
on the voters. Oh wait, not that kind of.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
So yeah, it was just I think it was just
for either it was done for mining purposes or or
it was done as a just a venture that somebody
decided to bring to Puerto Rico, like a tourist attraction
or something like that. It was never for you know,

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going from place A to place B. If I recall correctly,
it was just not feasible with all the mountainous areas
and everything. You just couldn't do it. But yeah, we
had a train, and in the building of that particular tunnel,
a lot of construction workers died, and so the legend
goes that their spirits and habit that tunnel. And I

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know people in my family that avoid that tunnel at
all costs. They will go an hour out of their way.
And it's very easy to go an hour out of
your way in Puerto Rico, especially with all the mountains there,
to avoid that tunnel. So my family is crazy. They
really believe all this stuff. I just leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
How do you know the other crazy ones?

Speaker 6 (59:07):
Well, because you know, you know when whenever the it's
usually I want to say, it's during fiestas Patronalees, which
is in August from my hometown, and then San Juan

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the fiesta is I want to say, it's February or
something like that. And during during the Fiestas Patronalees, the
Fiesta Patronal is the festival for the patron saint of
that particular city. So for San Juan, you know, obviously
it's on a different schedule then for my hometown. But

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during that festival, during all that, that story gets told
to everybody about the Devil's sentry box. And I'm like, y'all,
the guy left, Okay, he just left. There's no devil.
There was no witnessing of devil, and had one of
them said we saw the devil take him. Okay, I

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can see the history just that the legend persisting, but
that wasn't even witnessed. It's just the excuse given because
the guy was missing. So I don't know, I don't
know my family's I know quite a few of them
still believe in the Chuppakaa. So so yeah, and I'm like, look,

(01:00:35):
I give more credence to the chip than I do
to this devil sent fox.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
So what are some of the ones from down to
my my, my, my area that you alluded to that
I'm gonna I have all the lights on in this room,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Well the first one I've already hinted at a bit
when you can use you can threaten your mom with.
It's called the goatman, the goat man. So for those
of you who don't know the goat man, and again
we're crossing streams with jugs a little bit. The goat
Man is no gentle grazer. Eyewitnesses paint a nightmare, a
hulking figure with the body of a man, the head
of a goat, complete with curved horns, shaggy white fur,

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matted with scales and fingers ending in razors sharp talons,
and it stands over seven feet tall, weighs in at
around three hundred pounds, and possesses superhuman strength, capable of
hurling full sized car tires like frisbees, or leaping from
tree tops to slam onto vehicle hoods with bone crushing force.

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Some accounts add a fishy order or an in fit
or amphibious traits, suggesting it swims the lake's depths or
climbs sheer cliffs with ease. It reportedly dines on raw fish, chickens,
and lucky pets, emitting eerie goat like bleat or blood
curdling screams that echo across the water on moonlit nights.

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The creature's modus operandi ambush lover's lane and fishing spots,
terrorizing park cars and panikers. One famous tail claims it
ripped the top off of a convertible, while another has
it chasing witnesses through the brush before vanishing into the
Trinity River's west fork. Unlike its Maryland cousin and axe

(01:02:29):
wielding mad scientist turned goat hybrid, Texas's goat man feels
more primal, a guardian of the wilds, punishing intruders with
raw animal fury. So where does this thing live? You
might ask? From all accounts, the goat Man's domain is
the three thousand acre Lake Worth Reservoir, formed in nineteen

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fourteen on the west fork of the Trinity River, about
ten miles from downtown Fort Worth. It's tied most closely
to Greer Island, a swampy one hundred acre spit of
land in the lake's northwest corner, overgrown with dense woods,
riddled with trails, and fringed by steep Bluff's ideal for
dramatic leaps, now part of the Fort Worth Nature Center

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and Refuge, a thirty six hundred acre haven for hiking, kayaking,
and wildlife spotting. The area was once a lover's lane
and fishing mecca in the nineteen sixties, drawing crowds ripe
for scares. Sidings cluster around the island shores, especially at
dusk er dawn, where the water's edge meets thick underbrush. That,

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ladies and gentlemen is the seven foot tall goat man
coming to a lover's lane near you?

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
Okay, yeah, okay, No. I I'm glad that I never
have to go to Fort Worth area for any reason.

(01:04:09):
I used to live out there and I remember that area,
but I had no idea there was a goat person
hanging around Lakeworth or the Trinity River area. No, that's
news to me. I'm just like, wait, so what where?

(01:04:36):
I I bet you anything. I know people that will
want to go see this place. Now, my sister, she
is a ghost center. She loves to go on these things,
and so I'm gonna tell her about this and see
because her her husband's job is actually in the Dallas

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Fort Worth area. She lives on this side, so he commutes. Uh,
he has an apartment out there, and he's there during
the weekday during the week and then comes home and
so she's you know, she goes out there during the
week as well and everything. So I'm going to tell
her about this because this is something that I know

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would interest her and she would love to go out
there and see if she can find it and probably
just nag it to death, but you know, that's that's
her thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Oh yeah, right over there.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
All the lights are on. I'm not joking at my lamp.
I have my desk lamp and I have the overhead
lights on both the fan and the one at the
little hallway.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Your husband's gonna be like, what are.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Didn't you weren't for you, You didn't hear what I
heard today.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
Well, you know, m D makes a good point. Everything
that you were describing I have at my house, the lake,
the fishing, the unruly pets, the just everything. It's out here,
and I'm like, great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I wonder wonder if the goat I wonder if the
goat man's gonna set up your pad there's a satellite
terrorizing spot.

Speaker 6 (01:06:27):
Maybe just just to get away from the people that
are trying to, like, you know, like trying to find him.
Maybe this is his vacation spot. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
If it is, he'll love it there because you'll cater
to with every woman anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
Yeah, that's true. I'm always like, hey, dude, you know,
make yourself at home if we want a cocktail. Oh goodness,
let's see. I know that there's a very popular I
mean and legend that we were discussing before the show,

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which has been made into a movie a couple of times.
I mean, you remember the movie went a stranger calls.
Oh yes, yes, the call is coming from inside the house.
That one, that legend has freaked me out forever. Keep
in mind, I'm not freaked out by animalistic legends or anything,

(01:07:27):
even skin walkers. Kind of just like I said, I'm
intrigued by the whole concept because that concept, the concept
of the skin walker itself, has never changed with the
changes in our culture and our social you know, mares
and stuff like that, and the legend has pretty much
said the same. This one, this one is actually kind

(01:07:50):
of funny, and I thought it was really cool when
they remade it. And I believe the young woman that
was the babysitter and this one was Camilla Bell. And
you know, it was interesting because they were doing it
with cell phones, and I thought, I don't know how
this is gonna work with cell phones, because you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Know, we.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
Know we can trace a callback, you can figure out
who's calling you or whatever where the calls from. The
GPS thing and all that stuff was around. But I
guess they made it work or whatever. But it was
really cool. When the movie came out, I think it
was late seventies, early eighties, seventy nine and eighties, something
like that, and I think it was with Carol Caine.
And I remember my mom and she forced me to

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see this movie because she she always did this to me.
She would I hated walking through the den of the
house if she was sitting down to watch TV because
I knew that she was going to tell me sit
and watch this with me. And I can't tell my
mom now. And next thing, I know, the Exorcisters on
or some creepy Rosemary's Baby again. Same thing. I to

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this day, I've not watched Rosemary Baby again. I've never
seen the Exorcist again. Amiteville whor she did that to
me too, and she did it with this one. But
this one was was a little milder than those three,
so I was okay, but there's still traumatic. But I
think it worked better because, you know, the whole concept

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of the call is coming from inside the house. You
know that you have the babysitter there. She gets creepy,
you know, calls, you know, and they like, have you
checked the kids yet? And she's like, you know, it's
like and there's a there's a version where the kids

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are killed. There's another version where she answers, yes, the
kids are with me, and the guy says on the phone,
damn it, I didn't finish the job, or some words
to that effect or whatever. And it's it's a very
popular trope. It's it wasn't just the films. It's been

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used on TV shows, It's been used for radio, for
on YouTube shorts. You know, it's it's very popular. The
concept is very popular. And when I saw that movie
with my mom, I was like, you know, like I said,

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I hate horror, but I like suspense. Suspense is really cool,
and this was a very suspenseful film. At the time,
I did not know that this was based on an
urban legend and you know, it wasn't until like years
later that I finally figured out, oh, this was just
an urban legend that somebody made into a movie and

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it worked. So it's it's one of my favorite urban
legends because of the suspense aspect as opposed to the
horror aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
You know, yeah, I don't know. I'm that. I know
it's a it's a much older thing. But I remember,
like the the scene from the original screen movie where
they were like the calls coming from inside the house.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
Yes that you didn't screen it's like and it was
and it worked. I mean I remember watching I watched
that because my sister wanted to go to the movies
and I'm like, I have no idea, what is this
even about? And she said, I have no idea, but
it sounds fun. I should have known better because her

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idea of fun and my idea of fun not the same.
My idea not the same. But you know, I ended
up not being scarred for life, so that was okay.
But I thought it was kind of funny that they
did use that same trope in there too. It was
really cool. What else do you have from my from Texas?

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
From your neck of the woods. I got one that
surprised me even when I started digging around today, because
I've never heard of that before. So everybody knows the
legend of Sleepy Hollow, right, you know, the whole headless
horseman thing. What if I told you there's one from
your neck of the woods too.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
We got a headless horseman.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Yeah, but now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Its name is Elmbuerto, the dead one. A decapitated cowboy,
a bandit lashed eternally to his mustang, charging through the
darkness with his some railroad head dangling from the saddle
horn like a grotesque lantern. Eyewitnesses describe a cloaked figure
and a black serape galloping at breakneck speed, his headless

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torso swaying rhythmically. Is it's searching, as if it's searching
for something lost, his vengeance, his vengeance, or maybe the
goldie Never some tails added a gluttal wind whipped cry
It's mine, echoing across the plain, sending chills through campers

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and drivers alike. The haunt targets the unwary teens camping
on the hill in the early nineteen hundreds awoke to
galloping hooves and glimpsed the riders streaking past their tent,
vanishing into the mist. A nineteen seventeen wagon couple near
San Diego, Texas, reported the phantom thundering by their campfire,

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close enough to feel the groundshake. Modern twists blame him
for roadside accidents or eerie whispers near the cemetery, where
fresh flowers sometimes appear on unmarked graves at dawn. Unlike
Washington Irving's pumpkin flinging a Hessian rider, this rider feels

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raw and real, a product of Texas's little past, punishing
the living for old sands. So where, exactly where is
this thing known to ride headless? Horseman Hill is a low,
grassy knoll about one hundred feet elevation, perched above the
San Patricio Cemetery on the east side of get This

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County Roads six sixty six. The lonely blacktop flank by mesquite,
thickets and oil pumps the area. This area, part of
the Nassius River Watershed, was once Comanche hunting grounds and
Spanish land grants, now dotted with branch lands and the

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ghosts of forgotten settlements. Sidings peak along this Devil's Highway,
especially at midnight or during full moons. When fog rolls
in from nearby Choke Canyon Reservoir. The hills isolation, far
from city lights amplifies the dread, with the cemetery's weathered
headstones serving as a grim back job for the writer's

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eternal patrol.

Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
I know that the state of there have been a
lot of people that have petitioned to have reached six
six to six the number changed, and it has failed
every time. And I'm like, come on, y'all. I mean,
I don't understand why they will not change it. But
there have been a lot of petitions dating back to

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when I was in college to change the route number.
And yes, it's extremely superstitious. I tend to side with
the superstitious on this side. I've never liked that number.
I'm Catholic, I will I will never like that number. So,
and it's funny because at the Catholic school in my

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hometown there is no longer six six. It goes from
six six five to six six seven, and that's it.
It's there's there's no locker thirteen either, no longer thirteen
and no locker six six. So but I I know

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that there have been several petitions that have been signed
to change the route number because there have been a
lot of accidents that have happened on this particular road,
higher incidents of accidents than should have happened on this road.

(01:16:36):
A lot of the a lot of the accidents that
have happened on this road have been single car accidents,
and there has you know, during the investigation of these accidents,
there is they just can't figure out why this accident
had happened. Uh, they most of the time they have
to say, you know, driver error is pretty much their standard.

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But again, you know, there's no there are no skid marks,
you know, to where they're like, you know, pumping brakes
or anything like that. You know, there have been some
it's been pretty sketchy. So a lot of people also,
a lot of people I know tend to avoid that route.

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They go out of their way to avoid that route because.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Of that number.

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
So I wish that they would change it. I don't
think they ever will. I don't understand why not. But
I mean, these are the same people that are like, yeah,
we're gonna name a street, says Chavis in this town,
whether you like it or not. I'm like, okay, then
change this. Nobody wants this nobody wants this number, but

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they don't. They don't do it. Oh well, so yeah,
I'm kind of familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
With that one.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
I just didn't know that there was a we had
our own headless horsemen. That's just in saying to me,
I don't think he's looking for his head if his
head is hanging from the pommel.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Well, just because it's hanging from the pommel doesn't mean
you know where it is.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Good point, good point.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
But yeah, so apparently this is a rather old one.
This this dates all the way back to like eighteen fifty.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
Holy crap. Really yep, wow, Okay, he's probably you know,
looking for he's just on the wrong side, on the
wrong side of the state what you would be looking well,

(01:18:46):
I mean treasure. Yeah, I can understand the whole treasure
part of it, because.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
There was.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
There were a lot of during the the age of
the consqi Stas and the exploration that the Spanish actually
had in this area. There were a lot of rumors
that there was a city of gold, There were a
lot of rumors that were a lot of gold mines
in the area, you know, et cetera. So I can

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understand looking for treasure, but I don't know, maybe looking
for your head. Maybe if you just instead of you know,
you can just use your bony hands to look what's
what's dangling or you know, what's hitting your other leg
or something. I don't know, I'm whatever. Okay, So do
you got any others? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
Actually this is This is another one that's been used
as a trope a lot in film and TV YouTube shorts.
Whatever the legend of Bloody Mary that is? That is
one of the quintessential tropes. When it comes to urban legends.

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It's used a lot. They do change it a bit
every so often. You know, the the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
You're supposed to be in a looking in a mirror,
and you're supposed to call her name three times, and
then she's supposed to reveal herself to you. And some
people say that she's supposed to reveal your future. Other
people say that if she appears, something bad's going to happen.

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Other people say, if she appears, she's coming after your soul.
And some people say that if she does appear, then
that means that you're going to die next. So it
it goes from being nice to being completely not nice.
It depends on. I mean, some people have used said

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in a good way for you know, tip or whatever.
But most of the time, if you're calling for this
chick in a mirror, something bad's bound to happen. That's
how it's used in film most of the time. So
I remember my girlfriend's doing it in the bathroom in

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high school and they were so disappointed that it didn't work.
And I'm looking at them. We're seniors by this time, Okay,
so we're eight seventeen, eighteen years old, and my girlfriend Valerie,
she's like, I'm going to see if it works. And
God rests her soul. She passed away not too long ago,

(01:21:38):
a couple of winters ago. And I'm like, I'm like,
vow no. She's like, I'm gonna go see if it works.
So so said that it works. I'm looking at her, going, Valerie,
you know that's not true, right, She's like, and she says, Aggie,

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if it were not true, it would not be a legend.
And I'm like, are you serious with me? Right? But
she went to the bathroom and she said she tried it,
and she turned off all the lights and then she
stood in front of the mirror and she had a
big lighter and this is all that she told me.

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She had a big lighter. She turned it on and
she started saying the names and whatever incantation, and then
it didn't work. So she turns off the big lighter
and then turns it back on again and then repeats
it again. Well, apparently that wasn't working, so she decides
to get some of the paper towels and sets them

(01:22:44):
on fire, because because you know, to make it like
a taper, like if it were a candle, And so
she does it again and it didn't work. So she
got frustrated and she puts a towel in the you know,
in the sink to let it burn out, and then
she she puts water on it or whatever. It turns

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a light on, goes back out and she comes out
and really disgusted because it didn't work. And I'm like,
I'm looking at her, going I think she's pulling my leg.
She's got to be pulling my leg because I think
she can't be serious. And I asked her, you know,
what did you do? And so she told me her

(01:23:27):
entire process. And then Cindy's sitting next door says, you
need a candle, and I'm like, looking at her, going,
is she trying to fool me too? I could not
believe that these two gals that were in advanced classes

(01:23:47):
with me, okay, part of the gifted and talented, part
of the Holy pe, whatever you want to call it nowadays,
and they were convinced that this was going to work.
And I'm like, I they're trying to pull my chain.
They're trying to pull me. They're they're pulling my legs,
and I'm just sitting there going, it's not gonna work.

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And Cynthy asked me, it's because of the candle, isn't it.
And I said no, it's because it's stupid. That's why
it's not going to work. And they were so so
affronted by what I said. They were like, you just
can't take anything seriously. I'm looking at them, going, we
all all Catholic? Are you telling me that's going to work?

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They're They're like, well, I don't know, maybe it's a candle.
They went back to the candle. They just immediately went
back to the candle. I'm like, fine, I'm just not
I'm I'm not even I'm not going to get into this.
I heard that a couple of days later, Valerie did
bring a candle and proceeded to do it again, and

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it did not work again. So but you know, it's
it has been a very popular trope in TV, and
it persists because you know, a lot of people do
think that you can't possibly get a hallucinatory effect if
you just don't blink and you keep staring at a

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mirror in a very dimly lit room, maybe you're using
a candle or flashlight whatever, you know, paper cowel like,
and you know, you be if you're not blinking and
if you're just staring at one point and it's very

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dimly lit and it's you know, it's a mirror or something,
you can't have a hallulinous hallucinatory effect happened. So I'm
not surprised if people do swear that this can happen
or whatever. But I'm just like, uh, I'm past a
point where a mirror is a gateway to another world.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
This is not.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
What was that movie John Carpenter, Prince of Orty helped
me out, Ah, Prince of Darkness, that that's that's not it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I don't know, just just not not the not the
not the not the not. The Harsher Harsher mellow here.
But according to quantum physics there and they have now
determined that time mirrors could actually be a thing.

Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
So oh, okay, fine, but they weren't back in eighty five.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
We know this well. If they are now, that means
they likely were then, because that's.

Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
Thank you already. I I remember the Prince of Darkness, Yeah,
which was with that adorable guy he's so cute, Simon
and Simon.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
But anyway, okay, earned one giggy gaey Aggie earned one
for once. It wasn't me this time.

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
Okay, No, he's a he's a pretty popular actor. But anyway,
I just I could not understand that my girlfriends, who were,
like I said, relatively smart people. They you know, they
believed in this and they wanted to do this, and

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they thought that they could do it. And I'm like, okay,
My first question was, why are you so dumb? Why
do you think this is going to work? My second
question was, why do you want it to work? What
purpose does this?

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Why?

Speaker 6 (01:27:35):
They never you know, neither of them actually told me
why they wanted it to work. They just wanted to
see if it would because someone told him that it
would and the person that told him that I would
probably told him it happened to be, it happened to me,
you should try it, But they never told him what's
going to happen? You know what is supposed to manifest

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from bringing bloody Mary through the mirror?

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Good question.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
I saw Valerie years years later and I asked her.
I was like, you remember when we were sitting in
the cafeteria and you decided to go look for bloody
berry in the bathroom mirror. And she was like, oh
my god, I can't believe you remember that. I was like,
do I remember? Forget it exactly? How am I supposed

(01:28:27):
to forget this? And she was like, I don't know
what I was thinking. I said, well, that's what I
wanted to ask you, because you never actually answered, what
did you want to accomplish if it had? If it
had indeed, you know worked, what were you going to
ask her? You know what she told me years later

(01:28:48):
She said she couldn't remember, but she thought it had
something to do with English class. Now, at the time,
we had a very strict English teacher and we were
all afraid of her. So I was not surprised that
does have to do it with some glass or whatever.

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But you know, she was like, you know, honestly, I
don't know. I have no idea what I wanted to
do that for. And I feel so stupid, and God
rest her soul. I mean, that was one of the
funniest things that I can remember from my high school days. Anyway, Well,

(01:29:34):
it's up at the top of the hour, so I
guess we should wrap up. Heyes, you have another one
to share.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Ah, I do, but we'll probably come back around to
something like this towards the end of the month anyway,
so I'll save this one for later.

Speaker 6 (01:29:46):
Okay, all right, Well, why don't you tell us what
we can find you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Oh, you can find me in about an hour hanging
out on Beezi's Breserve Bobcatsaloon in the special Friday night editions.
So I'll be doing that one starting hearing about an hour.
You can find me tomorrow night hanging out with the
Ordnance j Packard Is. We kick off Juxtober live right
are on Kalen Radio and again we're doing cryptids all
month and in October there is usually a juxtaposition every

(01:30:13):
Saturday in October, and actually we've decided we're pmoking the
five week rules. So we're gonna actually end Ocstober on
November first, which is the first Saturday of November, and
then other than that for anywhere else, just go look
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You can also find music contributed to twitchy dot com.
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(01:30:34):
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How about you, Aggie, workin folks find you.

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
Well, you can find me at Aggie the Barkeep. You
can find me eight thirty pm Eastern Tuesday nights doing
the Cocktail Lounge with the ever swath Bratt Slager, a
thirty pm Eastern Friday nights doing he said, she said,
with you the second Tuesday of every month, which should.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Be next week, right, yes, ma'am. Next week the guys.

Speaker 6 (01:31:04):
Get together for Toxic Masculinity at eight pm Eastern and
I bring the drink of the evening. And the first
Monday of every month, Jeff and I get together for
Spirited Books. Stay tuned. It's going to be this Monday.
And the book that I have is interesting because we

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are celebrating cryptids during the month of juck Stober.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
So nice.

Speaker 6 (01:31:31):
Thanks for joining us, everyone, and we hope you have
a great evening tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Bye everybody.