10-31-25 Our Favorite Ghost Stories

On a special Halloween Night edition of He Said/She Said, Aggie and Rick talk about their favorite ghost stories! Leave the lights off if you dare!

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And bear with me for just a moment. For some reason,
my computer suddenly decided to freeze up, probably because I
was randomly eating the wrong buttons here and there. So
I'll hang on live radio. What are you gonna do?

Speaker 7 (03:04):
All right, here we go, Welcome everyone to another episode

(03:45):
of he said. She said, I am one of your
hosts for the Evening Eggie, and with me is the
very awesome rowdy Rick. How are you doing tonight?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I was doing better tell everything and started glitching out
on me. I was trying a little surprise. I was making.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
It's kind of appropriate seeing it's tonight as Halloween, so
everything should be glitchy, everything should be kind of possessed.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, it's kind of. It's kind of it's kind of
working out that way. It's weird because that happens all
the time with us on Juxstober too. Is like every
week we have some sort of weird glitch that we
don't normally have. So I don't know.

Speaker 7 (04:18):
Maybe, Oh my goodness, yes, I remember one year juck
Stover was like completely shot. We were supposed to talk
about witches, and every single time we tried to talk
about witches, something would happen and we couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there were some witches standing over
a cauldron quoting with breath that year or something. I
don't know what was going on.

Speaker 7 (04:40):
Yeah, but they got smart. They decided to get handheld
mixers this time instead of just you know, the sticks
to you know, over the call and so yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh yeah, that's the joy that's the joys of the
twenty first century. They have technology to help anyway. So yeah,
we are going to be talking ghost stories tonight. So
I thought it was appropriate to to mix it. And the
funny thing is I actually fed the original intro into
chat GPT and I said, okay, now I want it
to sound like it's spooky, and that's what it came
up with. So so I believe god.

Speaker 7 (05:10):
It was actually pretty good.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, I believe it or not. All it really did
was slow down the slow down the pacing, and then
add in some scary sound effects. So yeah, it's actually
it's the same intro, just slightly reworked. So which is
why it blended together pretty well when I did that,
which is why I didn't read the records record scratch.
I was just able to fade from one to the
other because it was the same base speed.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
So yeah, that it faded really cool. That was that
was neat that was.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Right, But anyway, so, yeah, it is Halloween. I don't
know about where you are, but everybody around here did
our Halloween last night. So I had a little five
year old running around her. It was like a princess.
And then she had she had her parade at school today,
so she came home with tons of candy from that too,
And this is already. This was her third trigger treating
of the year, so I think she's set and now

(06:00):
it's time to start getting ready for things like Thanksgiving
and know, all that fun stuff, because it's getting to
me that time of year. But since this is the
first time in a while that I know of that
we've actually done and he said, she said on Halloween,
I thought it would be the perfect night to discuss
some ghost stories because why not. Plus, I mean, you're
from Puerto Rico. It's like one of the most haunted
places in the world.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
So I think it's just that we're really superstitious. I
don't think it's haunted, but I.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
You know, well, I was trying. I was trying not
to throw stones, but sure, whatever, whatever, it's all your
fault because you're all freaking just crazy. I don't know,
no real we are.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
This is I'm so far there are no lies being told,
so that's good, that's okay. No, I come from a
very superstitious area in the world, and everybody knows this.
It has affected me greatly. So now over here we
just you know, I dressed up, went to did some

(07:03):
of the trunk or treat type of thing. It's not
really trunk or treat. We had it down in main Street.
Actually not main Street. There's a section that they closed
the street off so that people could just walk among there,
and they put a you know, they put a fountain
in the middle of it, and so there's no traffic

(07:26):
that runs through there anymore. So that's what they set
up tables and you know, people can come and have
their baskets and everything. And so I was there, and
of course no child understood what I was, but every
single adult and every single teenager did so. And I
try every year to come up with an idea of

(07:48):
a costume, and I make my own costumes. I do
that because to me, it's the fun, isn't making the costume?
It really is. And so this year I went as
a social butterfly. So I was a butterfly with all
these social media emblems on my wings. And the very
first one to get it was like a fourteen year old.

(08:10):
She totally got it, like right away, not shocking anyone
at all, and most of the women got it. Some
guys were like, oh, okay, I get it. Some some
parents were like some guys were like, yeah, I'm not
sure what you are. And I'm like, that's because you
have a life. But it was, it was. It was

(08:32):
pretty fun and it was a little chilli out there.
So I actually wore pants, like fleece f lined pants.
They were black, so so they kind of went with
the whole, the whole, the whole look. But yeah, so
that was That was pretty interesting. And as you know,

(08:54):
I've had other punny costumes. Like my first costume that
I ever posted on social media is I would say
twenty sixteen, and that was June Cleaver. And it was
I was dressed in, you know, a very fifties dress,
you know, with a petticoat and everything, and I had
the June calendar sheet with a bloody Cleaver on it.

(09:18):
Every parent got it, no kid got it. So I
was like, I need to find that that sweet spot
where everybody gets it. Everybody gets the pun, but when
it comes to puns, most kids don't get it, don't.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Oh yeah, I was waiting. I was like, I do
for like because normally you post a little bit earlier
in the day, and I know, for for there, for like,
right after you guys moved, you were thinking about discontinuing
it because you're like, there's not even anybody really around here.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
There's nobody here, And I think, don't you dare. Yeah,
the first year that i've I came here, I wasn't
going to do it because I figured, well, nobody's going
to be here. I mean, what's the point. And then
you know, everyoney in the group, the chet group that
we're in, No, no, you got to do it. I'm like, well,
who am I doing it for? Fine somebody? So I

(10:14):
actually did go into town and I asked, do we
do trunk retreat? And they told us, oh, yeah, we do.
We do. And so I was like, okay, I get
I guess I can. So that that was great, But
you know, and I tried to make my costumes as
punny as possible. Sometimes they work, sometimes they do not,

(10:35):
Sometimes they're not punny. This perfect, I thought, Oh my goodness,
when I got the idea. I got the idea from
a wine glass I have. There's there's a shock. So
I have a collection of Lolitha wine glasses and one
of them says social butterfly on it, and I looked

(10:56):
at it. It's like, oh, I should go as a butterfly,
but that's not really fun. And then there was a
thing on X about social media sides doing blah blah
blah blah, and I saw social media social butterfly and
that's where it clicked.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I got it. Yeah, that was really cute. When I
saw it, I was like, oh, that's that. See, I
don't have that. I don't have that kind of imagination really,
not for that kind of stuff. My creativity lies elsewhere.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
It's I don't know how. I don't know. Maybe it's
just that I'm just weirdly.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Wired.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
I don't know, but but yeah, I'm like, I'm weird
that way. So sadly it's not at my main account.
I am still I still don't have control of my
main account, but I'm very comfortable being at this account
now and I'm like, I get the same amount of engagement.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
So you know, hey, I was looking at some of
your posts, and I'm like, damn, I don't get that
kind of engagement. And I'm supposed to have more followers
than her. I don't get it. Nobody likes me, man,
nobody likes me anyway. I mean I wouldn't like me either,
But I'm kind of stuck in here, so I don't
have a choice.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
Did you dress up? Tell me you dressed up? Please?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
H No, I actually haven't In the last couple of years.
I usually focus on making sure Gracie gets to dress up.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
So really, yeah, I'm for clipped.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I mean, all I really need is a leather football home,
and I already look like a window looker. Anyway, I
could go for that. I could go is that every year?

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Did you see vice president of Vance?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I didn't know none.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
He wore a curly haired wig to make to dress
up as his beam, his own be But no, I
think I pusted in one of the chats, so it's there.
But I was, I'm like this, this guy, this guy
has got his finger on the pulse. He really does, dude.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
He just he doesn't take himself seriously, which is absolutely amazing,
especially for a politician.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
But yeah, I think I think President Trump's the same
way he learned his lesson. Last time, he did take
himself seriously. Now he's not.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
He's like, yeah, well, I think it's because he knows there,
you know, he's done after this, so he's just he's
just having fun with it as he goes along this time.
I think we would have seen this side of him
more in his second consecutive term if we if he
had gotten one, but I don't really know that for sure.
I also think with everything he's gone through, he's just like,
they've already thrown everything they can at me and they
never got me. So I'm just gonna do what I want.

(13:57):
But no, I mean one of the reasons I haven't
dressed up on Whiles. I think the last time I
tried to dress up, which was when I was still
working with OU, I went as a particular costume Bubba
Jay from Jeff Dunham, if you know who that is.
So I posted myself in that same costume because of course,

(14:19):
you know he and I have something in common. One
of our eyes just kind of does whatever that wants.
So I posted a picture of myself dressed in that
with a side by side of him and put it
on Facebook and staid, who wore it better? And that
was probably That was probably one of the first times
I can tell you that I actually embarrassed my alex wife.
So I think that might have actually been the beginning
of the end of our relationship. I can't believe you

(14:43):
put that on there.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
I was.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's not like everybody can't see it.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Shit.

Speaker 7 (14:48):
Ah man, No, I'm like I said, I do the costumes,
and I try to. I want to dress up for
the kids, but the thing is dressing up the kids
is kind of like I don't want to upse tah
them anymore. I used to. I used to dress up
for the kids. I did, and most of the kids
would come to the door and they're like, yeah, it's

(15:09):
okay whatever. You know. It's like, okay, I'm not gonna
do this anymore. And one year, best time I ever had,
I've wore my snake around my neck and I was
and I would open the door and those kids would
literally jump two feet up in the air freaking out,
and they loved it. That was the best thing I

(15:29):
ever did for any kid. The parents were not happy
with it, they really were not, but the kids loved it.
So I started my costumes became more adult oriented to
where the adults would actually appreciate them more than the kids.
That's that's where I've been going. I mean, come on,
tie fighter, most people won't even get that unless you're

(15:50):
a Star Wars freak.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh look at another left turn. Sorry, he had to
be done. People were quoting him in the chat, so
I had to add, yeah, but.

Speaker 7 (16:07):
You know it was. It was a good day. Kids
got a good haul. I could tell. I always give
out full size candy bars.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I'm treating a place next year.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
I never you know why I give out full sized
candy bars. I give them out for reasons. Now, two reasons.
One in case the parents decide to tax the kids,
which I know parents do this, Okay, I will, I
will put them in there. But the other reason is

(16:47):
I don't want to have any candy come back home
with me because I will sit on the sofa and
just eat the whole thing. So this is a way
to stop the candy from coming home with me.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah. I was one of those people that used the
candy taxes as a as a libertarian, listen as to
why taxation sucks. So my kids feel the pain because yeah,
it's been done to them too.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
Oh, I need to tax my kids all the time.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
You should have seen the look on my daughter's face
the first time she was old enough to realize what
I was doing. If I ever shown you a picture
of Gracie making the mad face, no, you have not thought.
I thought i'd shown you at least one. I'll have
to try to. I have to try to find one
for you, because that's the that's the exact same face.
Her mom still makes it this day when she's mad.

(17:40):
I'm like, yep, you got that from your mom. It's
got the brow furrowed kind of face turned down a
little bit, cheeks, puffed out, lips, all poofy. Just looks
like she's ready to punch you in the face. Yeah,
that one. But yeah, I'm saving that lesson for mom
because I don't not to be like, yeah, Grandpa's gonna

(18:01):
text you know, that's not how that works. Parents get
to teach that, listen.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
No, parents get to teach it. Yeah, parents get to
teach it. And it was funny because my parents have
taxed us when we were tricker treating, but then again,
they never actually gave out the candy. That was that
was our job. The siblings had the job of doing
the door and whatever, and so I I have been

(18:26):
making my consume since I was like in my teens anyway.
So when my baby brother was born, I was seventeen
when he was born. So when I was eighteen, I
took him trick or treating. My mom said, oh, take
him ticker treating. I haven't costume for him, and the
costume didn't fit because it was too big. I mean
he was he was literally a year old at this point.

(18:52):
I was like, Mom, that's fucking fit. So I had
to think really quick as to what kind of costume
to make for him, and I had some in my
I have a you know, because I craft. I did
a lot of crafting and whatever. I had some silver
lammee and I had some felt in different colors. He

(19:13):
went as a stuffed potato. And let me tell you something,
I did not dress up that year because I was
so I was concentrating on his costume so I could
take him trigger treating as a year old. At a
year old, right, it's a stuffed and potato. And he
came home with a shit time because of that costume.

(19:40):
My dad was eating reeses for like three months.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
So my youngest. I think it was probably eleven or twelve,
because by then I had actually already been doing podcasting
for a little bit, and I'm guessing at some point
he must have heard one of the episodes where I
was getting fired up, because one Halloween, I'm sitting there
and I'm doing, Okay, two for you, one for me,
three for you, one for me, that kind of thing,
just making a big, big production out of it while

(20:07):
I'm supposedly going through and checking his candy. So then
he waits until I'm done, and then he looks at
me and yell's taxation is theft and reaches back across
and starts scooping up all the candy. I have to admit,
I let him have it.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
That's awesome. It's a you know, it is a great
time to teach kids about economics, you know, and the
different types of socio economic systems that we have here
in the world. I mean, this is a socialism, right,
the whole thing, and then the taxation. It's everything. It's perfect.

(20:46):
I taught my kids. They never forgot a lesson. As
a matter of fact, they it got to the point
where when they went trigger treating, it was all about
the costume, because I always helped them with their costumes too,
But they knew. They figured out, like about the third
time that I that that that I did this, that

(21:08):
they were not going to keep all that candy. So
they would go out with two bags or two containers,
and so one container was recalled the parent tax. The
other one was was their little pumpkin or whatever it
was that they were carrying that year. Parent that was

(21:30):
stling out candy. They all knew. So they would give
two to them and one to the dad tax or
the parent tax, and I would get my candy without
having done anything. It was awesome. I was the government.
I was the government.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
So now that's that's that's that's the cool lesson, but
kind of not in the right direction, because they just
not in the right direction though not automated all, instead
of figuring out how to keep more of it for themselves.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yes, so, but you know, eventually I would actually, you know,
I told him, you really can't do that. But they
thought it was really cool. And it wasn't a big container.
It was like it was the size of a maybe
a sixty ounce tall cup, oh yeah or whatever. But
the parents all thought it was funny because they really

(22:23):
didn't understand what was going on. They just thought that
it was like, oh, yeah, I always take my kids candy,
whatever it's like. But they weren't looking at it from
an economic perspective. So we took that opportunity when the
kids decided to actually do that whole parent tax thing,
to make it a lesson as well. And so they

(22:47):
I will say, my kids are really good with their money,
and I think maybe that lesson took great. So yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Will say my kids are better with money than I
was there, so that's an improvement.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
But anyway, so so yeah, that's that's pretty much how
I spent my day. Now I'm I'm home, I'm in,
I'm in more relaxed clothing. I had to throw all
of the dinner into a crockpot because I was gonna
be gone. But weirdly enough, we had turkey and sweet

(23:24):
potatoes and green beans tonight, which is well, not exactly
the best known fair for Halloween, but but it was good.
And I know there's some turkey haters out there. I
don't care. Turkey's fine as long as you cook it correctly,

(23:44):
and I did, so.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, if you know what you're doing with it. But yeah,
we know. I actually because I I kind of forgot
that yesterday was Halloween for us, so I started, uh
slow cooking pork roads to do barbecue baked potatoes, and
I was like, oh crap, we're gonna be out. I
might as well just go get something. So after it
was cooking for like an entire day all low, I
just kept it on warm for the rest of the

(24:07):
day yesterday and then shredded it up today and mixed
in some sauces and then turned it on high so
it started bubbling and boiling in its own juices. It
was really really tender by the time it was done.
So yeah, we had barbecue stuff for pig potatoes for
dinner tonight and they were yummy.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
Oh well, I am preparing. I am psyching myself. As
a matter of fact, after the show, I have to
do some kitchen prep for tomorrow because I will be
making beef bergagnon for the first time ever, and I'm
using Julia Child's recipe and I have all of the stuff,
but you know, some stuff needs to be chopped up

(24:44):
and cut up and sliced and diced and whatever. So
I'm doing all the prep tonight, putting it all refrigerator
so that I can then make it for tomorrow. And
I cannot wait. I've been wanting to make this for years,
and I kept putting it off because I thought, oh,
my goodness, it's French cooking. It's French cooking. And then

(25:05):
and then it hit me, French cooking is not that difficult.
It really isn't It's just different. And so I sat
down with the cookbook, you know, Julie's Child's Cookook, and
I read the whole thing and I was like, it's
just lengthy. It's not difficult. Why have I put this
off for so long? So so that's what I'm making

(25:31):
tomorrow because my nephew and his family are coming to
visit me on Sunday and staying the night. So I
figured if I take it on Saturday, then we can
serve it on Sunday and it'll be nice and aromatic
and flavorful. So pray for me that it comes out.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay, Oh, I'm sure it will.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
It's gonna be a big production. Like I'm not even
gonna be on X most of the day. I'm just
gonna be like doing something I don't know. I'm like
hoping this comes out right. I'm gonna be I'm gonna
be texting my chef friend. Am I doing this right?
Sending pictures?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Just remember every time they tell you to do something,
you have to text Becky a chef, Yes, chef, that's.

Speaker 7 (26:15):
Right, yes, chef.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
And yeah.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
Actually I don't have a kitchen get machete, but I
do have a twelve inch chef's knife that I am
using tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I'm pretty sure that's basically a kitchen machete.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
I'm just gonna I mean, so I just got I
just got my new pot for my birthday. So I'm
I'm like itching to use it, but I'm like, no,
I'm not. I'm not going to use it for that.
I'm gonna I'm gonna wait. So I'm gonna be using
a different pot, but I'm excited. I'm super excited. I'll

(26:51):
probably use my Darth Vader, my Darth Vader pot.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I mean, I get excited about pot. But that's something different.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
I've you know, never never partaken I honestly knowing me,
do you think I should?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I didn't until it became medically available, and then I realized,
with all the pain that I have, that's really about
and I don't use it that much. I usually take
about five milligrams.

Speaker 7 (27:18):
Every single person that I know that has it for
as a medical for medical issues because of pain, and
it helps them tremendously.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I didn't realize. I didn't realize how much because it'd
been a minute since i'd used any But because of
the weather changes, I went ahead and took a little
bit before I went to sleep last night. And I
got up this morning and I was I didn't have
to do the twenty minutes worth of stretcher and everything else.
I'm like, dang, maybe I should start using this a
little more regularly. That was kind of nice, but I could.
The problem is it starts wearing off because I can

(27:49):
I can feel everything kind of. But I don't know.
Like I said, when it was illegal, I wouldn't have
anything to do with it, even though a lot of
my family and friends did and they were like, oh,
you should try it, and I'm like, no, because it
you know, I used to have a badge for God's sake.
Come on. But then again, there's a whole other story
with that because one of the first times I was
ever invited to a party after work when I was

(28:09):
a rookie. All of a sudden, everybody started sparking up,
and I'm like, didn't we just bust a bunch of
people for doing this? And They're like, where the hell
you think we got it from? Rookie. I don't know
if I want to be here anymore. It felt like it.
I mean, it wasn't as bad as training day, but
for about a half a second, it kind of felt
like it. I was like, I don't know how I

(28:30):
feel about this, but yeah, anyway, yay, fun times, fun times. Okay,
So I know I made the show go off the reels,
but it's what I do. That's why I have a
show called that.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
Yeah, I know. And honestly, tonight's show is really loose.
We we were just going to try and talk about
you know why. I okay, y'all. So I message Rick
asking if we were having a show tonight because it
is Halloween and he does have guaran children and he
does think the trick or treaty. So when he told
me they did that yesterday, I was like, okay, cool, cool,

(29:08):
we can have a show. And so then he asked
me the dread of question, what do you want to
talk about? And I'm like, oh crap. And then I
remembered there was somebody wrote a story and I want
to say it was in the Daily Mail or UK Telegraffort,

(29:29):
one of those foreign British tabloids or whatever about Bradley Cooper,
because Bradley Cooper was recently on the red carpet for something.
I forget what. I know there's a movie coming out,
blah blah blah blah. I don't know, but his face
looked different, I mean, like seriously different. I'm looking at it,

(29:51):
going why is he did he? Why is his face
all puffy and weird looking? And the girl was actually
writing about I think he had botox done, and so
she wrote this entire thing going no, baby, no, don't

(30:12):
do that, and this is why, and I had to
agree with her. It was completely up my baliwick or whatever.
I don't particularly care for botox. I understand that botox
medically for migrain's works wonders. I mean, it's a wonder
drug for migraines. And so the perk of it being

(30:36):
that it smooths out to your lines, because basically it's
just putting your nerves in a deadening state. So that
you can't have lines or whatever, so you look youthful,
you look younger and everything. But it looked to me
when I looked at his face, it looked like he
had botox everywhere, like his laugh lines, his crow line,

(31:00):
his forehead, just like why. And the thing is for women,
women like men that look that have the lines, that
have the age, that have that distinguished look that they're seasoned.
They're like wine. You know, that's what we want to

(31:20):
look at. We don't want somebody who took an iron
to their skin. So that's why I suggested the book
doox thing. And I started thinking, you know, that's scary enough.
But then you told us about you know, ghost stories,
and I said, yeah, I think we better go with
ghost stories.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Well, like I said, that could actually be a ghost
story of its own, because for all you know, he's
been off bunch of your own babies.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
Well it could be the whole you know, drinking the
blood of virtins or something. I don't know who he's dating,
I really don't so, but it just cracked me up
that this woman was like no, baby, no, don't urge.
It was it was just I mean, seriously, I saw

(32:11):
his face and I was just like this is no.
I don't know already. I don't think it's a hangover movie.
I don't even think it was his movie. I think
it was somebody's movie and he's dating her, but I'm
not sure. All I know is that she, the writer
of the article, just was very scathing in her critique

(32:36):
of him doing this to his face. And the thing is,
even when he was younger, he had the lines, you know,
and everything, and women would fall for them. I got
to meet him when he was in San Antonio promoting
his movie where he played Chris Kyle, and he, you know,

(33:01):
he's great gentleman. He was very awesome with our troops.
He went to not just the Brogomery Medical Center, but
he also went to see people that.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Are in the.

Speaker 7 (33:18):
Gosh, I forget the name of the Center for the Intrepid.
The Center for the Intrepid is the area where most
people go to rehabilitate from serious war wounds. It is
completely close to the public, so you know, people just
can't walk in there. You have to have permission from

(33:39):
the base, the commander and everything. So you know, he
went to visit everybody there and he was, you know,
he was he was awesome. He really was. I am
not aware of his politics, nor do I care. But
every single woman that was there, I could see them,
I could watch their faces, and they all loved him.

(34:02):
And it didn't matter how old they were, they didn't care.
They didn't care to them. He was beautiful just the
way he was, and he had you know, he he
wasn't a young guy when he portrayed Chris Kyle. He
wasn't older either, but he had the look of somebody

(34:24):
that had been worn by the sun and time and
the weather and everything. And it just it worked, It
really worked. And I'm not kidding when I said there
was a group of us. We were just we were
just standing there and he was there. He stopped to
sign everybody's everything and talked with all the troops, and

(34:45):
I mean, he was great. And there were some women
there that were going if want to have his baby,
and they were like sixty. I know, It's just he
had a He's a very charming individual. He has his
charisma about him. But everybody really found him attractive physically,

(35:06):
not just personally, but physically too. And for him to actually,
you know, I saw the picture in in the on
the on the linked site, and I was just like,
what did you do? It's like it's like I used
that gift of the pulling of the face from Brazil.
It's like somebody did that to him. And I'm like,

(35:28):
I don't like it. I want the guy to look
his age. But you know, that was that was just
you know, I had thought about talking about that, and
then I started thinking, Eh, maybe I shouldn't, because there
are some people that do take both talks, and they

(35:49):
do it not just meant for the medical aspect, but
also for the cosmetic aspect. And I totally understand that.
My my niece was actually talking about it and I'm like,
you're twenty seven, what are you talking about? But she
wants to get photos for the lions on her forehead.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Okay, I considering what that actually is, the fact that
people willingly injected into their body.

Speaker 7 (36:17):
Oh yeah, I talked her out of it. I think
I talked her out of it. I told her what
it was. But most people that take botox don't understand
what it is. They really don't. And it's fine that
they don't understand what it is. They just want the
results and if they're satisfied with results, and that's fine.
I mean, seriously, we eat mushrooms, so, but you know,

(36:41):
botulism toxin is it's a whole other level. Yeah, it's
a horror story when you think about it.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Well, I mean, so, you know, the other day, I
just noticed it on one of the shows that I
watched that I still blame my grandmother for because she
got me hooked on it when I was a kid.
I noticed one of the people that still plays one
of the main characters, who is a lot older than
the character that she plays on TV right now, I
just did it like she had. I don't know, she
did whatever they do to their lips to make them

(37:14):
puffy again, because she came and I'm like, dude.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
You were.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
You don't need to. These women need to realize that,
you know, it's men that age like crap. It's not
you guys. Y'all just need to leave your things alone,
because trust me, you guys age like wine. We age
like milk.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
No, it's the other way around.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
It's not.

Speaker 7 (37:36):
It's in the song. It's in the song Marilyn Monroe
Dion's her girl's best friend. She literally says men grow cold, well,
and we grow old, and men grow cold, but men
are always distinguished. Men look great as they grow older.

(37:58):
Women we just grow old.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, I don't know then something's changed because all the
women that I know are absolutely beautiful in the in
their older years. And I'm over here looking like I
fucking swallowed four hundred basketballs.

Speaker 7 (38:14):
Anyway, anyway, So moving on, all.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Right, So go stories? Where do you want to start?

Speaker 7 (38:22):
Well, you know, as as everybody knows, I am, I
was born and raised in Puerto Rico, so we have
our share of ghost stories, urban legends, ship that our
parents would make up just to make us stay in
bed and and you know, or inside the house or whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
So you're not going to You're not gonna get your
up Kappa free crown like you did in the other show.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
I kinda try not too. No. I figured we we
talked enough about the chupacabra both here and in juxtaposition, right, So.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well yeah, well yeah, and then you read about it
in your other show. Yes, yes, but yeah, for those
for those of you have who haven't learned this yet,
when her voice goes up like that five octaves, she's
turning purple.

Speaker 7 (39:14):
Yes, I am just uh yeah, the the chupa kapra
thing actually came well after I had already left Puerto Rico,
so it didn't affect me as a as as a child.
But I will say this, it actually made an episode

(39:37):
of Unsolved Mysteries and that was yeah, seriously, And when
Unsolved Mysteries went into syndication, that was the only episode
I would not watch again. I could not. I could
not watch that. And I loved Robert Stack. He was
just amazing to me. I loved him, But no, not

(39:57):
that episode.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
His voice, yeah, that has some chiseled features when he
wasn't older, so mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (40:06):
Anyway, but you know, as I don't know what it is,
but every single Latin American country and Latin areas, I
should say, because we have them here in Texas, New Mexico,
Arizona has the same thing. Everybody has a crying woman
of some sort. Have you noticed that?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Wait?

Speaker 4 (40:29):
What what was it?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
You broke up a little bit? What was that last part?

Speaker 7 (40:32):
Everybody has a crying woman somewhere. Well, there's always a
legend of a crying woman somewhere. It's ever a crying guy.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You guys do it so much when you're alive. Is
it a surprise you do it when you're dead.

Speaker 7 (40:44):
No, not at all, but it is kind of surprising
that it is usually in Latin American countries. I'm like,
don't you white women cry? I mean seriously, it's just
it's always a Latin American woman or like a woman.
But we actually have one in Puerto Rico. There is,

(41:07):
there's a legend, and her name is lado Na the
way the same like over here, okay, Uh. It hails
from a town called Coamo, and it's literally just one bridge.
It's not all over the place like over here in

(41:28):
my hometown here in Texas. It's over one highway.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
And the highway is really long, so you could literally
witness this woman within like you know, one hundred miles.
But in this case, it's only over one bridge, one
spot on the bridge, which makes this story kind of creepy.
And this one I remember my grandmother telling me apparently

(42:03):
that this woman she is searching for her child. I
think it was a baby that she had lost, and
so she is always crying at this particular bridge and
it's always in the middle of the bridge. The woman,

(42:24):
you know, there'll be something to block the bridge and
the driver would come to this whatever it is that's
blocking the bridge, could be a branch, you know that,
you know, tire remnant, I don't know, whatever, And suddenly
the woman will appear and she will actually come up

(42:46):
to the driver's side, and if the driver asked her
if she needs a ride somewhere, she'll turn into a
demon or some kind of horrible looking thing. And the
weird part about this particular story is that there have
been reports from different people who don't even live there

(43:09):
of having witnessed it, so that that's kind of weird.
When I was growing up, my mom would tell me
the story so that I would not go to the
river and cross that bridge. Okay, so where I lived,
I lived near a river. It was a shallow river,

(43:29):
but there was a bridge, and you would cross the bridge.
It would be you know, in somebody's farm or whatever
that's next to the river, and from there you could
actually go and go hiking up the mountain that's right there, right,
And so for my mom to keep me from doing so,
she would tell me the story. She was like, Rajordona

(43:53):
could get you. She'll be on the middle of the
you know, she's going to be in the middle of
that bridge, and I'd be like petrified. I would be
so scared. I would be on the top bunk of
my you know, because I had a bunk bed. I'd
be on the top bunk at the corner, just sitting
there sucking on a pacifier. I was eight, I would

(44:16):
kind of pacifier to suck on. Okay, that is how
scared I was. But that was one of the scary
stories that my mom would tell me in order to
keep me from actually going across the river, which at
the time I did not realize. I could literally just
cross the river on foot because it's very shallow, and

(44:39):
even though I was a small being, I could still
cross it on foot, but there was a bridge of
convenience so that you wouldn't get wet. But she would
tell that story so that I wouldn't go hiking up
the mountain, you know, on supervised or whatever. And I'm
like at the time, just thinking about this woman turning
into a demon right in front of because but it

(45:02):
never hit me. I wasn't driving anything, I wasn't a guamo,
I wasn't anywhere near with this thing was happening. But
it was effective. My mom had a gift for making
any story completely creepy. And so I did. I mean
the moment she said that I would go to my

(45:24):
room and I would just sit there, going I'm not
doing anything today because I don't trust anything outside today
because that woman could come and get me at any point.
So that was one of the ones that my mom
used to keep me reined into the house.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, it's interesting that you mentioned I think you called
her Laiarona because Pumish and I have done a very
similar story on juxtaposition, So I wish I had Vincent's
previously unjuxtaposition loaded up because I don't. But this one
is Irish. But the similarities are interesting because that one

(46:04):
is the Banshie of La Girona, and it's kind of
the same general story, except I guess this one was
a Spanish noble woman who went down on a Spanish
ship and they basically she boarded the ship with her
infanty supposedly tied the baby to her with a silk

(46:25):
sash before the ship went down. So days later, villagers
along the Antrim coast began hearing a woman's whaling above
the crash of the surf, not in Spanish, but in
a wordless keening cry. Fishermen reported seeing a pale figure
on the rocks, soaked and weeping, cradling an invisible child.
When approached, she would vanish into mist, leaving the smell
of salt and lilacs. So over the centuries she became

(46:48):
part of Irish lower and was known to be an
omen or harbinger of death. So it's interesting that because
I just looked up your version versus their version, because
I'd already covered it before, and I'm like, do there's
some interesting similarities there, including similarity of name. So I
find I found that interesting.

Speaker 7 (47:10):
I like, I said, everybody has a crying woman somewhere.
There's all somebody has a crying woman somewhere and.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Left. Oh wait, you know, when I.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
Was growing up in the Rio Grande Valley, we did
have Lajora there, and apparently she had lost her children.
The reason being she drowned her children because the man
that was her beloved actually left her to marry somebody
else who was more affluent, and so in anger, she

(47:47):
killed her children. And so she warned the fact that
she had done such a horrible deed, and she walks
along this highway screaming and eying for her children. So,
you know, that's the version from where I grew up

(48:07):
in Texas. There's a version for where I grew up
in Puerto Rico. I'm sure there's a versions everywhere of
a crying woman. And I'm just like, you know, men
deserve to cry too. We should have crying men somewhere
in law.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I'm just saying, yeah, Well, it's just interesting because I mean,
you know, I mean, I guess death. I guess death
imitates life, kind of like I are imitating life, you know,
wailing women everywhere? Oh wait, did I say that loud?
My bad? All right, So my first offering, and I'm

(48:43):
sure everybody knows of this one, but this was one
of my favorite ones that we've actually covered on Juxtaposition before,
the Ghost flight of four oh one. So picture this,
ladies and gentlemen. It's nineteen seventy two in the Florida,
Florida Everglades. Eastern Airlines Flight four oh one crashes during
final approach. It's tragic, but here's where things take a

(49:03):
turn nobody really expected. So the airline salvagest parts from
the plane that were still usable and uses them as
replacement parts on other planes, and suddenly crew members start
seeing familiar faces like the dead pilot and flight engineer
appearing mid flight. Yeah right there on the take. Okay,

(49:28):
And this isn't just one or two stories. Dozens of
crew logs actually mention it. They'd appear in reflection panels
or just standing in the galley warning of system malfunctions.
Warning is that more often than not turned out to
be real. So basically, the ghost were pretty much still
trying to do their jobs, which makes this one both

(49:51):
terrifying and interesting at the same time because they weren't
ghosts of vengeance as one usually talks about, but they
were being vigilant even in death and trying to do
their jobs.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
Well, that's better than the devil's sentry box.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
That sounds like it's something you have to pay extra for. Usually,
what are you talking about.

Speaker 7 (50:18):
Oh No, In Puerto Rico, at the El Moro, which
is the main castle fortress that's in San Juan, there
is a sentry box. It's called La Garita the Diablo,
the Devil's sentry box, and the legend says that the

(50:44):
devil actually took one of the guys that was in
that sentry box, one of the guards. There are several
sentry boxes that are posted throughout the fortress, and they
all face outward to the sea so that you can
be a lookout for any coming ships.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
And so at night.

Speaker 7 (51:12):
You have several people in in you know, one person
in each of them. The way you keep yourselves awake
is that every hour or so you yell to the
next one, and the next one yells to the one
next to it, et cetera, et cetera. Well, one night
they were doing the yelling and there, you know, they

(51:35):
yelled to the one guy. This particular sentry box is
more offset, it's further out than the others because of
the way the the actual fortress is constructed, and nobody
heard from him. So they called out again, and nobody
heard from him. So they thought, well, maybe he fell

(51:56):
asleep or whatever. So came the dawn on all they
found there was his uniform and his rifle, his weapon,
and the story goes that the devil took him. No
chances are that the guy just decided to take off
his uniform and leave his weapon and dessert so that

(52:21):
he could hitch up with some chick okay, but the
legend persists, and it was considered bad luck for that
specific sentry box. So whenever somebody was actually assigned to
that center was because people were assigned daytime for that

(52:42):
specific box. One person was assigned at daytime and another
person was assigned at night time, and that was the route.
It wasn't nobody ever, you know, they didn't circulate. You
had that sentry box for the rest of your time
at the fortress. So nobody wanted that sentry box because

(53:03):
they were all afraid that the Devil was going to
take them. And so if you go to visit El Moto,
that particular centry box is actually cordant off. People still
try to get in it. They have tried scaling the
wall and I don't know if you all have seen
any pictures of it, but the wall's pretty high because

(53:24):
if you're at the beach, it's like fifty or sixty
feet up, and people try scaling it straight up and
they've hurt themselves. But you know, people try to get
in there because it's now a game. They want to say, hey,
I survived being in the devil sentry box, you know,
overnight or whatever, you know, that kind of thing. But

(53:44):
it's cordoned off, nobody can get to it or anything.
They do have a sign. This is the devil sentry box.
You just can't get next to it. You can't, you know,
you see it from afar or whatever. But that's one
of the that's one of the fun ones in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I mean, like I said that that, I mean the
name of that alone earns one of these.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
Oh I you know, it's funny. Everybody loves English and everything,
but Spanish is we call it eld florido, the flowery language,
because it is so flowery. It really is. When you
Devil's sentry box just kind of it's kind of clunky.

(54:30):
La garta diablo. That sounds really cool. Yeah yeah, but no,
not Satan's hot box. That's another story for another time.
And after Twitter, after dark for sure, I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Where I'm at. Oh wait, never min, I'm gonna make
Aggie's better drink. Okay. So for my next one, let's
trade cockpot or cockpit ghosts. I almost said crockpot because
I was still thinking about dinner. For something a little
more southern this time, the Myrtle's Plantation. This place has

(55:14):
everything creaking Flora's, cold spots, and even a ghost named Chloe.
Chloe was the servant who poisoned her master's family. So yeah,
that's the that's that's the one. Legend says she baked
poison into a birthday cake to earn forgiveness after being
punished for eavesdropping. It didn't go so well, though, They say.

(55:35):
She roams the halls in a green turbane, shows up
in mirrors and doorways, and uh yeah, so Southern hospitality
doesn't just involvement in julips. It turns out can also
include full body apparitions. Okay, so yeah, so she she
haunts the entire plantation.

Speaker 7 (55:53):
You can see her all over the place, and she
just decided to kill them one day because she just
wanted to.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I yeah, I mean, it doesn't really say very much.
Just they had a bit. She basically got punished, I'm which,
from from what I'm assuming back in the day, that
usually meant you either got the crap kicked out of
you or put in a really uncomfortable place for a
very long extended period of time. So she said, fine,
screw you guys, here have a birthday cake. Oh wait,
I poisoned it.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
Oops. Wow, that's a hell of a way to go.
I'll be honest, though, I need a cake I mean,
I'm a cake girl. I will Actually, I'm a dessert girl.
I will eat any dessert if it's got sugar on it. Hell,
I'll eat lugnuts if they're covered in chocolate. Thinky, how

(56:46):
do you kill Aggie?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Well, now you know, cover anything that's poisonous and chocolate.
She'll never know.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
Nope, nope, nope, nope nope. And you know what, I'll
die happy because it's sweet.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Oh. So this is that whole me having a very
dangerous job once upon a time, which developed a really dark,
terrible sense of humor. So I was just thinking chocolate
covered almonds with arsenic because you bite into one, you
just think it's a bad almond. Then it's already too,
and it's already today.

Speaker 7 (57:18):
Yes, and you know a lot of people it's a
I remember reading Oh gosh, what was it. It wasn't
Mickey Splain. I was in nashal Hamit Nevada, Gas. What's
the name of the story. And it was about the

(57:39):
bitter almonds scent that Synad has. And then people were
asking me, it's like, well, how do you know it's
bitter if when you smell it? And I'm like, because
your sense of smell is attached to your sense of taste,
don't you know that? People didn't And most people look

(57:59):
at me like wait, what, oh God, but enny either
here nor there. So anyway, there is an interesting one
from Puerto Rico that I always thought was kind of
weird because when I came to the States and I
grew I grew up in Texas. I came up to

(58:20):
the States in seventy six, and it wasn't until about
right after my I graduated from high school. I was
in college I learned about the Marfa lights. So in
Texas we have, you know, historical markers everywhere. Marfa actually
has the only historical marker devoted to a phenomenon. And

(58:43):
nobody has been able to explain Marfa.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Phenomena lights.

Speaker 7 (58:49):
And some people have surmise, Oh, it's just trick of
the desert, you know, the lights you know from a
And I'm like, yeah, okay, but they're not acting like
a trick of the desert, you know, heat or anything
like that. And sometimes you see him during the day,
and sometimes you see him without cars, so you know,
there's just whatever's going on out in Marfa. It attracts

(59:13):
a lot of people. People go over there to see Marfa.
It has become a really neat tourist destination, but they've
kept it really small. So that's what I like about Marfa.
But apparently Marfa's not the only place with the light issue.
This one is something that I remember my grandmother talking

(59:34):
about because she was such a devout Catholic. She literally
crawled on her knees to go to church eas on
Good Friday. I mean seriously, from her house to the church.
She was on her knees. We finally talked her into
knee pads, okay, but that's how she would go to church.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
And she walked to.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
Church every Sunday. She did not take any transportation. It
didn't matter how far away the church was. She was
going to walk because that was that's how it was done.
So she was a very devout Catholic. And she's the
one that told me about this story. And the story
is about a hatcho. A hot cho is basically you know,

(01:00:23):
like a you know how you burn sage, a little
bundle of sage or something like that. Well, we have
something like that, but it's not sage. It's just a
bundle of twigs that we keep because sometimes we don't
have a flashlight. So in the before times or in

(01:00:45):
the Homish times, to give some alty credit, a lot
of us would actually carry these bundles with some matches,
and if it was after dark, we would like these
two go, you know, to light the way and every thing.
And there's a story about a man and I wanted

(01:01:06):
to say that the town was it wasn't started with
a It started with a vowel. I want to say
it was. It wasn't maybe Otrokovis or something like that,
but it was in the town that started with a vowel.
And he was out late. He was out fishing. I

(01:01:28):
don't know what he was doing, but he was probably
fishing because it was nearer. It has to be Okovis, because.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
It was near.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
It was near a lake, so he was fishing and
he was walking back home. So he lit his hacho
and for those of you un'taware, it's spelled j a
c ho hacho. The j is an h sound in Spanish,
so it's hatcho. And it burned out before he, you know,

(01:01:58):
he could get to where he was going, his house
or whatever. So he was looking for whatever else he
had on him, and he found a crucifix that was wooden,
so he lit it. He lit the crucifix using it
as a lantern, and then he got home. But once
he got home, the following day he fell sick and

(01:02:21):
there was no cure for his illness. There was no
reason for his illness. He died a day after that.
So the tail goes that if you're in this area
where the lake is in Otrokovis or whatever, if you're
in this area, you will see these lights just floating around.

(01:02:48):
And it is basically this man who is looking for
the ashes of the crucifix, because once he actually gathers
all the ashes of the crucifix, then he can leave
the earth and ascent to heaven. That is his punishment
on earth is to find the ashes of this crucifix.

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And as we all know, what happens with ashes, as
they burned, they just float away into the air and
you know, never to be seen again. So so he's
going to be around for a long time. I'm afraid.
But my grandmother used to tell me this tale to
enforce the absolute sanctity of the crucifix, and she she

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must have had fifty crucifixes in her house. I'm not
even I'm not joking here. That woman was devout as
all get out. When you walk up to the front
of the house, hanging from the front door on the
outside was a c It was a rosary that took

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up the whole door. It was a huge rosary, and
there was another one in the back of it. Okay,
so it's like, why do you even bother going to church?
You have the church right here. I told her that
one said. She was like, blasphemer, give me five hail Marys.

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I'm like, oh my god. So I just said the
five hel Mary's right then and there. But that was
her way of actually enforcing the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Why would you want me to throw football in the house?

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
But you know, that was her way of kind of
reinforcing the sanctity of the crucifix and what it meant.
But I never forgot that because when I came here
and learned about the Marpha lights, it started thinking did
somebody burn a crucifix too? You know, it's like that
poor guy, it's gonna be I don't know if anybody's

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been to Marfa, but that's in West Texas and it's
like desert out there, so you know he's going to
be looking for a long time. But according to my cousins,
they still see the lights. My cousin lives in Adjuntas
and so she travels through or Covi's every so often

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to go to the other side of the island, and
she was like, yeah, they people still talk about the lights.
The lights are still there. So that's kind of a
weird thing that people see. And admittedly it's not like
you know, bright lights or you know, like a flashlight
or anything like that. It's just like if it were

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a match being lit. That's how small the flame is
of the light that you see. So that's why it
freaks out a lot of people, because you know, if
it were a flashlight and people say, oh, yeah, it's
somebody just fucking with us, you know. Yeah, but no,
it's And the thing is, it's not at people level.

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The lights are really high up and like like ten
feet up, so it's not like it's somebody down below
lighting a match in the dark, you know. So that's
why people are still kind of freaked out about it.
I've never seen them, and I'm not going back home

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to see them. I'm okay, Chicken totally.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Again, Jack, I know El Puyo loco. Just kidding anyway,
all right. So for my next offering, we have the
ghosts of the ghosts of the Queen Mary. So they
called her the Queen Mary. The Pride of the Atlantic,

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kealed in Scotland in nineteen thirty four. She was more
than a ship. She was a statement of power and elegance.
When she launched, people said she wasn't just crossing the ocean,
she was commanding it. During her golden years, she ferried
the rich, the royal, and the restless Winston Churchill, Clark Gable,
the Duke and Duchess of Windsor if you were someone
in the nineteen thirties, you walked her decks. She had

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grand ballrooms, sweeping staircases, chandeliers that glowed like constellations. The
Queen Mary wasn't built just to travel. She was built
to impress. Then came the War in nineteen thirty nine.
She was stripped of all of her luxury and painted
battleship gray. From there she was reborn, and everybody started
calling her the Great Ghost. She was a troop carrier

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so fast the enemy couldn't catch her. Sixteen thousand men
could fit aboard her at once. An entire small city
under steam and steel. But war takes its toll on
all things, even ships. In nineteen forty two, she collided
with her own escort, the HMS Corical. The Queen Mary
sliced the smaller vessel clean in two. Over three hundred
sailors perished in the cold Atlantic, and by wartime orders,

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she couldn't even stop to help. Some say that's where
her hauntings began. After the war, she returned to her
royal self, refitted, refined, and resplendent, but by the late
fifties jet planes were stealing her passengers. In nineteen sixty
seven she made her final voyage, not to another port
of call, but to Long Beach, California, where she would

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never sail again. That's where the ghosts, they say, apparently
got comfortable. If you walk her halls at night, they say,
you'll hear the echoes, children laughing near the first class
swimming pool, even though the pool's been dry for decades,
wet footprints appearing on tiles that hadn't seen water in years.
In her engine room, near watertight door number thirteen, the

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spirit of a young crewman John Henry is said to
lingers still checking gages still doing his job, and cabin
B three forty. It stayed sealed for years. Guests reported
blankets pulled off, faucets, running, lights flickering, and voices whispering
their names. Skeptics call it imagination. Paranormal researches call it
energy memory embedded in the ship's steel bones. But if

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you've ever walked her decks after dark, you don't need
a definition. You can feel it in your very bones.
The air gets heavy, the sound of the sea feels closer,
and sometimes it sounds like she's still moving. The Queen
Mary never really stopped sailing. She just found another kind
of ocean across the one between the living and the dead.

Speaker 7 (01:09:20):
Waha, Wow, And I want to think I wanted to
take a occurs on that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Yeah, dude, that that one is is. I mean, I
don't know if I don't know if anybody's ever caught
her any of this stuff that she has been included on.
But yeah, I mean she's been on like some major
like ghost hunting shows and stuff, which I thought was
amazing when I first started looking up the data all
in this one. So yeah, she was featured on Ghost Adventurers,

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Most Haunted and numerous documentaries and actually still to this
day runs its own ghost tours, using historical lugs and
engineering blueprints to pinpoint highly active areas. Paranormal researchers often
note that the Queen Mary Still whole may actually amplify
the residual energy, creating a literal echo chamber for past trauma.

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Even skeptics who have been there admit something about the
atmosphere when you're there feels and feels charged. I guess
there's one way to put it. So, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:10:27):
That's kind of interesting because I mean you hear of
ghost ships. I mean they make movies. There's a movie
literally called ghost Ship. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Did you ever see that movie? A, Yeah, I've seen it.
I don't I don't remember that much about it because
I didn't really for some reason, it didn't really hold
my attention. But yeah, I remember that I've seen it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
I it was with I think Julianna Margulize was in it,
and some of other people that are not a list actors,
but well known actors that were not as well known
as they are today. I want to say Owen Wilson
within it, but I'm not quite sure. But I've watched it.

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The first time I watched it, I was like kind
of creeped out. The second time I watched it, I
was laughing my ass off because because physics came into play,
and I'm like, yeah, this is not gonna work. But yeah,
I mean the concept of a ghost ship. Hell, the
concept of ghost ship is what Pirates of Caribbean is

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all about. The legend of the Black Pearl, of the
Curse of the Black Pearl. There's a story behind that
that they don't tell. You have to actually find out
why it's black and they don't tell you. You have
to put that. You have to piece that all together.
But that's not the only one, you know, But there's

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always been this, you know, the Flying Dutchman. It's another
good example of a ghost ship. And there's a certain
romance attached to ghost ships that you don't find in
other forms of transportation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
All Right, So I have to do this. MD has
officially won the dad joke trombone of the show so
far in the chat. Amazing fact, after more than a century,
Titanic School still has water in it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:37):
Okay, that dad joke.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
It works, And I wish I would have thought of
that one I'm usually pretty good with the dad jokes.
I actually have some. I have a couple of my
kids who really enjoyed enjoy those kind of things are
on text lists that I randomly shoot them to and
I'm like, I can't believe I've never thought of that one.
I'm sad he came up with it first. But yeah,

(01:13:02):
as dad jokes go, it was bad but good at
the same time. So joke, well crafted, sir, joke, well crafted.
Anyway that had to be done.

Speaker 7 (01:13:12):
Oh no, no, no, that's fine. There is something that
I always thought was kind of weird. And there's a
place in Puerto Rico and it's south of my hometown.
It's in a town called Ponce, and they call it

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the Haunted Castle, a Castillo embrujado. Now MBO doesn't translate
exactly to haunted. It's more like bewitched. That's a literal translation,
but that's what they mean. They mean it's haunted. And
it was this really nice hotel. I think it was

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called the Intercontinental or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
And if so, is that in John Wick's universe, because
I think that's what that was.

Speaker 7 (01:14:05):
No, no, no, no, I don't think John Wick would
live here. I don't think anybody would live here, but
when it was an hotel, it was actually really nice.
I don't know what happened. I think it was somewhere around.

(01:14:25):
I want to say, when I must have been on
an eighteen nineteen years old something happened. It could have been.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:14:38):
I have no idea, but it was abandoned and people come,
you know, ghost hunters come to this place all the
time because a lot of people think that there is
a bad energy attached to this particular hotel. They don't
know what it is. They say that there's you know,

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they see ghosts, they see apparitions, they see objects moving,
and I'm like, there's still objects there. This is Puerto Rico.
That place should have been picked clean. I'm sorry, I'm
Puerto rican I know what I'm talking about. There is
no way there could still be things there. I mean, seriously,
we're scavengers. But they say that there are things that

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move without explanation, and a lot of people have felt
when they go in to actually just you know, like
you know those people that do the abandoned places on
YouTube or whatever. They go in and they just videotape everything.

(01:15:42):
They don't tell you exactly where they are, but sometimes
they will say where they're at because the energy is
so bad. And I remember seeing that. I got this
from a YouTube video one of those abandoned people, peep
you know, that was doing the whole video for it.

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He said that they tried going. They went in, they
did the whole first floor of the ground floor area,
and then they went up the stairs. And the stairs
are kind of weird. There are two sets of stairs.
There's one all the way to the back and once
all the way to the front. And so they went

(01:16:24):
up the front steps and they went to the second floor,
and he said that it felt so bad that his
body felt like it was off, and when you know
his you know, he said, I have to go, and

(01:16:44):
they came back downstairs. They came outside and they said,
you know what's wrong. It says, my body just felt off.
It says, what do you mean, are you sick? Are
you coming down with something? It's like, no, my body
was off, like my body was here, but my spirit
was off of it, like it was off, like it
wasn't His spirit wasn't inside his body. It was off

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to the side. And the guys like, are you are
you serious, and he said, yeah, let's not do this one,
and but his friend wanted to do it, so he
staid outside. Then his friend went and his friend came

(01:17:29):
back outside. He couldn't make it past the third floor,
so you know, they you know, there was I remember
there was a big landslide just north of it. I
want to say, I had just I just graduated from

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high school and we had a huge rainstorm.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
It was like.

Speaker 7 (01:18:02):
There was there was a storm that moved through that
was really really bad, and there was a huge landslide
and it took out an entire Mario from my hometown
that was just north of this particular hotel and a

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lot of people died. I remember that, so I want
to say it was like it was over one hundred
people who died that died and it happened in the
middle of the night, so there was like no warning
or anything. And they think that the hotel that's where

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these spirits are hanging out. So I asked one of
my cousins if they've ever been down there to see it,
because one of my cousins is really into ghost hunting.
I mean, she goes to all of these ghosts hunting things,
you know, she'll she'll fly to Santo Domingo to actually
go ghost hunting stuff. I'm like, okay, like, we don't

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have enough of this shit on the island, but you know,
she'll do this for fun and everything. And she said,
that is one place I'm not going. And I'm like,
why not. What's so bad about this particular hotel? She said,
from what I hear, the energy there is so bad.

(01:19:31):
I just don't want to risk it. I She literally says,
she just wants happy ghosts, she doesn't want bad ghosts.
So she goes to where the happy ghosts are and
I'm like, okay, I'm not sure. Okay, I think she's
looking for Casper. I don't know, but she she said, yeah,

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I'm not going there because it is just not a
happy place. It's from all of the reports everybody that
talks about it that there's something off about the energy
at that particular hotel. The weird thing is that's not
the only abandoned hotel on the island or even in

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the area, but that's the one hotel that people avoid. Now,
I'm not going to say there's no tagging there because
the graffiti is everywhere, but the graffiti I've noticed it's
only on the outside. The inside didn't. The pictures that
I saw didn't have graffiti. It's like it's almost like
people started graffiti and they just left. They just could

(01:20:39):
not stay there. So that's relatively a new phenomenon for
the area that I grew up in. And I'm really
really glad my grandmother's not here to see that, because
I'm sure it would all be br and brims. Okay,

(01:21:00):
I mean she'd be like, oh, yeah, that's a portal hell,
you know. So I'm just kind of glad she's not
here for that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Well, I mean, to be fair, your grandmother would call
it something else in Spanish.

Speaker 7 (01:21:11):
It's like arita del diablo, but in big time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
See, there's a reason I brought that back up again,
all right. So I guess my final one is a
bit of a double shot. And oddly enough, I almost
closed out mine with a haunted hotel here the Scurving,
but almost everybody knows about that one. So I looked
for a couple of lesser known ones in Oklahoma, And
that's why I kind of turned into a double shot,
because there are two former forts from our territory days

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that are still partially standing again, considered haunted. So long
before Oklahoma was a state, when the land was still
wild in the borders of nations shifted with the wind,
there stood the first lonely outpost that we're going to
be discussing tonight. Known as Fort Washita, it was built
in eighteen forty two near what's now Durant, Oklahoma. It
was meant to keep the peace between settlers, soldiers, and

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the tribes of Indian Territory. But if you stand there
after dark, that piece there they were looking for is
long gone. The forts walls are mostly ruins, now stone foundations,
silent chimneys, and a few weathered barracks that lean into
the wind. But the locals will tell you it's not empty.
They'll talk about a woman, a headless one. No one's

(01:22:28):
sure who she was. Some say she was a soldier's wife,
murdered by bandits when her husband was away on patrol.
Others claim she was a Chickasaw woman, killed by those
who thought she carried gold. But they all agree on
one thing. Her ghosts still walks the grounds searching for
the heads she lost. Campers and park rangers have seen her.
A figure in white gliding through the old parade grounds,

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lantern in hand, her neck wreathed in light, and if
you speak while she passes, the air turns cold enough
to see your breath. Some shay. She follows those whom
mocker right up to the edge of the park gates
before fading into the dark. They call her the Headless
Woman of Fort Washita. And every spring, when the air
grows thick, it's still and still. Visitors say they can

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hear the soft clink of metal spurs and the sound
of a woman's scream cut short, as if the fort
itself is reliving that final violent night where she lost
her head. Fort Washita is a ruin now, but ruins remember,
And then we have my final for the evening, because

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we are just about out of time anyway. This one
is involving Fort Reno, and these are the ghost riders
of Fort Reno. Northwest of Oklahoma City, near the town
of al Reno stands a place that's seen every chapter
of the State story. Fort Reno. It began as a
frontier cavalry post in the eighteen seventies, keeping watch over
the Plaines. It later became a US Army remount depot,

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a German pow camp and eventually a cemetery for soldiers,
settle and Native scouts alike. The soil there is heavy
with history, and some say not all of it was
easy history. Visitors after dark tel of hearing horsemen on
the move, the steady rhythm of cavalry riders crossing the
parade ground. Guards have chased the sounds, thinking vandals or

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pranksters whereabouts, but when they reach the road there is
absolutely nothing there, just hoof prints in the dust that
stop midstep. Inside the officer's quarters, the air is colder
than the rest of the fort. One ranger reported hearing
of a full marching platoon moving past his window in
the middle of the night, boots on gravel, the jingle
of bridles, but when he went outside, the parade ground

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was totally empty. Other times it whispers in German faints,
confused voices calling for help from the old pow cells.
The cemetery is the stillest place of all, rows of
white stones under a wide, endless sky. People leave flowers
there and swear they see figures in blue and gray
standing watch over the grave. Soldiers from both sides of

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the Civil War, long since buried, but never quite dismissed.
Some say Fort Reno is peaceful now, a quiet monument
to the past, but others say that on moonless nights,
when the planes are black and the stars are sharp
as glass, the Calvary still rides, ghostly silhouettes galloping through
the mist, the echo of bugles guiding them home. And

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those are my final two ghost stories. You're welcome, but.

Speaker 7 (01:25:31):
Really nice actually in a way, I mean, I like
to differentiate the nice ghost stories from the bad ghost stories.
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Well, yeah, well, and that's honestly something I was kind
of looking for because if you'll notice, a lot of
mine that I talked about the night are ghosts kind
of still doing their gig for the most part, even
though they're.

Speaker 7 (01:25:51):
Ghost So, you know, I know, there was one a
ghost story that I heard from someplace in Colorado. There's
a museum that was that's out of Fort, a former fort,
and every night before the museum closes, the gentleman comes
in and talks to the poker table and says, gentlemen,

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we are turning off the lights. We will see you
in the morning, and they walk out. They close up
the museum and everything. When they come back in the morning,
the lights are on and the cards are on the table,
So you know that to be is a nice ghost story.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Yeah, that's nice enough to clean up.

Speaker 7 (01:26:32):
Yes, the the bad ones are like the chick that
turns into a demon. Yeah, that's not so nice. So anyway,
well that's that's pretty much good. I guess we're done
for the show.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
So so that that little pause you heard right there
was Aggie trying to figure out if she's going to
have to sleep with the lights on for the rest
of the night.

Speaker 7 (01:26:56):
Oh, I'm definitely saving with the lights.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Nice. But yeah, but unless you've got anything else that
would that was my I think I did five. I
had five picked. I just combined the last two. I think.

Speaker 7 (01:27:10):
Yeah, I think I just had three or four. I
have no idea, I don't I don't know. We just
talked a lot of the first half hour about stuff,
random stuff, and then whatever. So anyway, why don't you
tell us what we can find.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
You don't look for me, it's a trap. No, I'm
just kidding. You can find me here to me, you
can find well, that's a matter of it's got good cheese. Anyway,
you can find me tomorrow night doing the final episode
of Jock still work, even though it's November first, we're

(01:27:41):
gonna be doing our cryptids panel and Memory service. I
think you're actually supposed to be on that one mm hm.
So yeah, as far as I know, it'll be me
amish busy, and I think Jeff and I think Jef
is going to join us. Yeah, don't remember if there
was anybody else or not, but anyway, basically, we're just
gonna all talk about our favorite scryptids, some of which
have been discussed in the last four weeks of duxtaposition,

(01:28:05):
and there may even be some surprises, but that'll be
happening tomorrow night, ten pm Eastern. Sunday night, you can
find me ten pm Eastern, where I hope to get
back to my series with Kingdom and Country in between
weather issues and power issues because we had storms over
the weekend. Plus I wasn't filling that great anyway, and
then wedding is getting in the way lately. That one's

(01:28:26):
been on pause. And as far as the Bible study
one that happened on Wednesday, I'll be getting all caught
up on the archives tomorrow, so if you guys are
looking for that, you'll be able to find it later.
And then Monday night I'll be doing America Off the
Rails ten pm Eastern Tuesday. Everything starts over with the
Daily Show again ten am Eastern right here live on
Calin Radio. Then I'll be hanging around with some random Canadians,

(01:28:47):
the Amish one and VC and Jeff and probably at
least probably one other person. And that'll be for the
Manorama podcast, which is celebrating its third year in service
on Tuesday. Other than that, feel free to check our
schedule because I do so many shows. I'll be here
talking all night if I don't tell you to do that.

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And I also contribute to the websites known as Misfits Politics,
the Loftice Party, and Twitchy. You can find me on
x at Rowdy Rick seventy three and the network at
Kaylarm Radio. How about you, Aggie, working folks find you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
Well, you can find me at Aggie the Barkeep, And
you can find me eight thirty pm Eastern Tuesday nights
doing the Cocktail Lounge with the everswam Brad Slager a
thirty pm Eastern Friday night's doing he says, she said,
would be awesome you the last yea the second Wednesday
of every month, the guys get together for Toxic Masculinity

(01:29:42):
at eight the m and I bring the drink of
the evening, and Jeff and I now do a book
podcast called Spirited Books eight thirty pm Eastern on the
first Monday of very much to look for us next week.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
We will be back, all right, folks. I think that's
going to do it for us. Tonight, Just for fun,
I'm gonna go ahead and play us out with the
Halloween version of the song I made, but I wanted
to close out with the normal one first and then
feedback into that again. So by good night everyone, enjoy
the rest of your Halloweens.