🔴Debunking the Feminist Lies sabotaging you | Maintaining Frame 191

The video explores the challenges faced by young men today, including directionlessness, the loss of traditional role models, and structural changes in education and employment that have disadvantaged men relative to women. It discusses the impact of fatherlessness, societal expectations, and the sedating effects of video games and pornography on men's motivation and behavior, while emphasizing the importance of meaningful relationships, family, and truth in addressing these issues.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Feminism is hugely unethical and has been operating in an
incredibly unethical space for its entire existence, and the fact
that we need to tithe to it is appalling. Feminism
should be being investigated for massive ethical breaches because this
stuff doesn't just stay in their little academic puss filled cyst.

(00:21):
It leaks out into policy. It leaks out into academia,
where it's used to inform how to treat vulnerable boys
and what to tell them when they're young and they're developing.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
This is we go.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame number
one ninety one, debunking the feminist lies sabotaging you. I
guess you had intended to give me a different title,
but you never did, so I just left the one
that you No.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I had intended to look into it, but then I
got into a discussion about immigration, single motherhood, AI with
with a Patron, and then and then in Grock or
Not groc perplexity. So it was it was a long,
a long and interesting discussion but I'm not sure it
may become relevant to this topic, but it may not.

(01:12):
And also I was thinking, you know, I don't know
if there is a better title for this, So.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, let's just go with it, all right. Well, so
just in brief, we're going to be looking at this
episode of Tucker Carlson's independent podcast series where he at
the time he was doing interviews. I think these days
he does a bit of a mixture of commentary and

(01:38):
then some you know, some some accompanying footage and and data,
and then he brings on a guest. But at this
point in his career, this was from a while ago,
maybe a couple of weeks back, he had on Chris
Williamson of the pretty popular podcast series called Modern Wisdom.
And Chris Williamson is focused, or at least like his wheelhouse,

(02:01):
tends to be talking about, like I want to say, men,
but not like in the men's rights way. It's more like,
you know, like helping men better themselves kind of way,
like the improvement like a life coach kind of thing.
And they are discussing the problems of men face and
we're going to react to some of this, I think

(02:23):
Janie Fiamengo, I guess, or maybe her and Tom Golden
had done some reactions.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I think that might be where part of what I
was cued into this. I actually read one of their
reactions to this, so I think it was Janice. I
think it was Janie, like a double check. But yeah,
I'm pretty sure there was both of them.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I didn't see their reaction to it. I did. I
did watch this this morning.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm subscribe to their subsets, so Tom Golden, Janie Fiamengo,
and a few others. So substacks, subsets, substacks, subset of
the sub stack. How's that all right? So that I'm
subscribed to them, so I do read their analyzes quite
a bit.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I recommend everybody.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Janis Fia Mango and Tom Golden and a few others.
They are still like a Bettina, aren't They're still They're
still pushing out some interesting stuff. So I recommend going
to their substacks and subscribing. But I believe that this
might have been part of the place where I saw it,
and then it was also a patron recommendation. I'm sorry, guys,
I'm like sort of blanking on the exact genealogy of

(03:29):
how this got across our desks, but I figured it
was worth responding to because well, Janie gave it the
time of day, so let's go for.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
It, all right. So yeah, So the as I was saying,
this is a conversation between Tucker Carlson and Chris Williamson
of Modern Wisdom, I already have a couple of time
codes here, So this section is basically Tucker's like, so
you're you're doing a tour, and you get a lot
of people at your tour, but most of the people

(03:58):
who have questions and they're looking for, you know, guidance
are men. So there is right there, you know, before
we even get into it, there's already like some a
spotlight on an issue. So let's see this section here.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
What advice do you give young men who ask you
what direction should I take?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Well, I think at least to start finding out what
you're interested in is a good place to begin. Look,
one of the problems of giving any advice to young
men is that we need to do this strange kind
of land acknowledgment, this social land acknowledgment.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Before we start land acknowledgment. I'm getting a sense of
what he probably means by this.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
It is.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Christian.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know, it is a Chris Williamson, So I don't know.
I mean, he might go completely sideways to what I expect.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Probably not, Let's see. Let's see.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
One of the first things we need to do, or
typically that people expect, is well, it's very important for
us to remember that women are still falling behind in
this area.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
And it's also important up until it can't even deal
with that. You understand what I mean, though, right, I
wouldn't ever play along with that lie. There is this
odd expectation that in order to talk about the problems
of men and boys, we first must identify all of
the other issues and plights of other more deserving groups.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay, yes, yes, And that's the tithes to the ideology, basically,
the overwhelming narrative of our society, which is that women
have it worse and we all have to tithe or
not all of us because we don't, but we tied
to that narrative in order to support it, because it's
basically an emperor has no clothes narrative. It's so like

(05:37):
the more that I research certain aspects, unseen aspects of history,
like the CCC camps, basically the camps that indigent poor
men were put in during the Great Depression or forced
into basically, and all of the tremendous contempt that society
puts men's autonomy has for men's autonomy. The more that

(06:00):
I read of all that, the more ridiculous this entire
notion that women have ever been oppressed relative to men is.
And of course feminists will always handwave the very evidence
that denies their framework as patriarchy backfiring too, so it's
more evidence of the very thing that actually discredits their framework.

(06:22):
So of course we all have to tithe because it is,
when you think about it, functional nonsense. And the more
you look into it, the worse it gets. The worse
this narrative gets, the more ridiculous and unethical and actually
hateful this narrative becomes.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
The more you look.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Into the research the academia surrounding it, it just becomes
deplorable and indefensible.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
And yet we still have to.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do that because that's the nature of social power, or
they have to do that.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
We don't. I mean, I don't think you and me do.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
We feel like we have to tithe to the goddess
of women. I don't do it Apparently Tucker is also
pushing back on that too, which is a nice sign.
It's interesting to see Tucker be more red pill than well,
I mean, I guess Chris Williamson's never really was super
red pill, so.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
He still conforms.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Basically, he's just confessing that I still socially and emotionally
conform to the dominant narrative, regardless of its moral bankruptcy.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Well, I don't know. I think he's acknowledging that it's
that it's it's a it's a bullshit like expectation because
he said, you know, well, you know, before you talk
about men's issues, this is like what is sort of
like instilled in us, And yeah, it's programming. Everybody responds
to it like it's literally programming people to start by saying, well,

(07:46):
before I start talking about the group that we've all
collectively agreed completely arbitrarily is on top of everything, let
me first start by saying that they're, you know, the
the other groups, the women, they also have problems. I
think think that's the only way that that notion stays,
like say, dominant, is that we just have to keep

(08:07):
reciting the mantra to remind ourselves, you know, wait before
we talk about men. Let's and it's also like to
guard against people doing the whataboutism? Well what about the
women though? And of course they're like, that's on purpose.
It's supposed to terminate rational thoughts, so you can like,
you know though, any Actually I did.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Find I did find Janice Fiamingo's sub stack on this,
and yeah, she was not thrilled with the way that
Christian Williamson conducted himself in this meeting or this interview.
He does say that this is a this is pressure
that's placed on but then he continues to sort of

(08:47):
concede to it or submit to it, least according to her.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
No, I look, I watched it. These guys are purple
pilled at best, probably more still in the blue pill,
but they are. I don't know why we have to
be so absolutely uncharitable, Like these people are working this
stuff out, guys, like, can we just stop just attacking
them because they're not red pilled enough, Like they're on

(09:12):
the journey, Okay, we have to like encourage people to
arrive at the conclusion. Like he's saying things that are
already heretical by just saying that that's a heretical statement. Okay,
So let's please stop being so black pilled in the comments. Please,
it's really hard to look at. We should be encouraging

(09:34):
people otherwise I'm wasting my time doing this, Like I've
been doing this for ten years and no one wants
it to get better because they just want to be
able to say that they're the only people that get it.
And it's really annoying. So let's like, please, let's try
to be encouraging. So, yeah, these guys are purple pilled
at best. It's fine. They're not going to get it
one hundred percent, right, but I will give credit where

(09:54):
credit is due. So Tucker says, I'm not playing that,
and he should.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I think we should also recognize where there needs to
be progress.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, I agree. I don't disagree with that. I'm if
I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
If william if sorry Chris Williamson is recognizing this pressure
but then ultimately conceding to it, then we should we
should be honest about that. We should say, you're you're
you maybe maybe recognizing it, but where it matters, you're
still conceding to it. And I mean it's not it's
I don't think it's like this is blackpill to point

(10:33):
out that, yeah, they're on the path, but there's still
is paths.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I mean, it's like, if you look at anyone else
that's talking about this up from most other people, they're
still completely on the women have It Worse bandwagon and
if not, the straight up men are the men are
criminal by nature bandwagon. These guys are not doing that.
And I think that that is something that we should
I'm not saying we should celebrate, but we should take
it at consideration because this is not a simple process.

(11:00):
It is not a simple process for people.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
So yeah, okay, but I mean, if Williamson says something
that I don't agree with, I am going.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
To yeah, it's fine, go ahead. I'm not here to
tell you what like, I'm not here to toe police anybody.
I'm just trying to like offer perspective before we get
into it, so we know where people are. But there's
another like two minutes or so of this of this section,
So we're gonna, okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
All right, and this is something the world is that
I mean, I don't even I'm amazed at that requirement
still exist or anyone takes it seriously.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
It's so absurd. Well, it's a shame.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
I think it's basically you saying, I know, I'm about
to talk about a group that you think might have
previously been in a privileged position, but now it's really
important that we talked about some of the showcomings that
they're dealing with. I'm going to show that I am
on side. I'm an ally and I understand how this
is framed in the broader context of what I'm This
is something that I've become particularly frustrated with.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
All Right, so he's still talk about the land acknowledgement,
and this is the thing. I was never a big
Chris Williamson guy because I watched Modern Wisdom and he was,
and I think he still is in a lot of
ways still like pretty like, you know, mildly pro feminists,
right like, but I think that it's starting to like

(12:19):
take a toll, Like the more of this he does,
the harder it gets, because that's how it goes. Like
you start off and you're like, I'm gonna be a
galitarian and then you're doing the egalitarian thing or the
complimentarian thing or whatever it is, Like Warren Ferrell, You're
very gentle, and you still get lambassador attack like he's
lumped in with the manosphere, right, He's lumped in with
the Andrew Tates and the Nick fuentes Is and whoever

(12:41):
else the Orthodoxy dislikes. And I think that he just says, well,
I'm just gonna keep plugging away at this thing that
I'm doing. Over time, I think he's starting to realize that,
like like being rational, being agreeable, being you know, sort
of like subservient giving tithing the ideology, it's not wielding
any grace, it's not yielding any results. And I mean

(13:05):
he probably hasn't suffered quite enough yet, but I think
that's just the way this goes. This is the process,
you know.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
But anyway, it's social and acknowledgement thing.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
The requirement is self castrate before saying obvious things.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah, and we don't do it in the opposite way, right,
we don't say we just don't do it at all.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
We're going to have a.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Conversation about breast cancer. But it is important for us
to remember that male suicides account for media as many
deaths as prest cancer do, and men of falling behind
in education and employment, and there have been these structure
and now that we have done this, we can find
the unto talking about breast cancer.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
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Speaker 4 (14:03):
Has it occurred that there's a connection between these phenomena, Well,
that maybe men are in a dire state because they
have been browbeaten and demoralized and attacked for their immutable
qualities that they can't control that they were born with.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, okay, I wonder right, well, I mean what are
those things? You have to understand that oftentimes he's he
sounds like he's asking questions, but he's actually making statements.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
But go ahead, Well that's a very that's a that's
a very pointed point. And but I would I would
actually extend that to ask who gets to decide what
those mutable, muted, ummutable qualities are, Like, who who's deciding this?
Is it feminist framework around toxic masculinity?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
And the other thing is that, of course, when feminists
hear him say that men are being attacked for their
immutable qualities, Feminists will immediately pivot to saying, but we
attack male socialization, except the way that their conjecture functions
is the only thing that could possibly be the vector

(15:14):
for masculine ideology, and it's one hundred percent penetration among
men isn't even biological factors. It's simply the label man.
That's it, based on a biological category. There's nothing else
that can explain why what they term as masculine ideology,
which is all of the evils that they ascribe to men,

(15:37):
has a one to one penetration with the word like
the legal and biological label man. So when he says
in mutable qualities, what he's talking about, if you actually
look at the feminist conjecture is simply being a man.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
The biological category of X.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Y, that's it.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, that is the immutable characteristic that men can't escape.
And of course feminists describe all kinds of criminal and
anti social behaviors to that biological category. And then they
handwave by saying, no, we're actually talking about an ideology.
That's why they refer to masculine ideology rather than masculinity,
because they want to say that this is something that

(16:24):
men chose, that this is a belief system that men chose,
so that they can condemn men without running a foul
of the very serious ethical questions of creating categories, creating
biological categories that are born criminal, which is what they've

(16:44):
done with men. But the other thing is this, what
are these immutable characteristics? And it literally is just being
identified as a man based on your genetic structure, that
is the immutable characteristic that men can't escape. Based on
feminist theory and the fact that if you are born
x y, you will have what they term masculine ideology,

(17:08):
which is all the social ills that they abscribe to
men and only men stamped on you. And that is
effectively and functionally in every real sense, simply declaring a
biological category born criminal, which we have so much like
ethical condemnation of that. Because of how it has been

(17:31):
used in the past for eugenics, how it's been used
in the past to justify genocide and marginalization segregation, this
narrative is subject to severe constraints in academia, except in
one situation when a group of people, namely feminists, declare
men to be born criminal, And I'm talking about the

(17:52):
ethical like the I don't know if I have like
a really good way of visualizing this, but this is
a massive ethical breach. Feminists would say to him, it's
because of socialization, and yet they're using that as a
fig leaf to hide the fact that they have constructed
a bio essentialist category. They have turned a biological category

(18:13):
into born criminal.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yes, and that's the other thing, like people operate under this.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
They can't correctly condemn feminism for what it is, which
is a eugenesis supremacist narrative. So it is basically a
supremacist narrative based on genetics. Because when you declare half
the human race is essentially criminal because of a because

(18:39):
of a biological marker that you are ascribed male at birth.
If you say that half the human race is criminal,
it's born criminal. That is a eugenesis supremacist narrative. And
yet feminists get away with it because we allow them
to pretend that they're appealing to socialization, that that actually

(19:00):
it's men who are being socialized to being criminal. It's
not that they're just criminal by virtue of their birth. Somehow,
there is a socialization force that's making every man, regardless
of ethnicity, class, culture, religion, nationality, every single man on
earth is being inoculate and inculcated with this criminal miasma,

(19:26):
like this criminal framework. It's being stamped on him somehow.
But there is no socialization mechanism proposed, so there's no
mechanism proposed. So it functions since there's no mechanism proposed,
it functions as a biological saying someone is criminal based
on a biological category. I know this is some abstract stuff,

(19:47):
so I'm probably losing people. Just suffice it to stay
that feminism is hugely unethical and has been operating in
an incredibly unethical space for its entire existence, and the
fact that we need to tell to it is appalling.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
It's just wrong.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Right now, feminism should be being investigated for massive ethical
breaches because this stuff doesn't just stay in their little
academic cyst puss filled cyst. It leaks out into policy,
It leaks out into political positioning, It leaks out into
services for survivors. It leaks out into academia, where it's

(20:28):
used to inform how to treat vulnerable boys and what
to tell them when they're young and they're developing so
this is like, this is this is just okay, let's.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Keep going, all right for like forty years, and all
it has done is destroyed men and make women crazy.
Like the whole thing is just terrible. It's like the
worst thing that's happened ever in the West. So like,
maybe there's a reason men have no direction and are
addicted to porn and a million other things because they're
told constantly that their lives don't matter.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, I think we.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
So, yeah, the worst thing ever. Probably.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yeah, We've seen a lot of structural changes, And what's
really interesting is the how this has come into lands
existentially psychologically, like comically within men. But the structural changes
are what I think kicked a lot of this going.
Education and employment are the two big ones for men.
In education, it seems like the current education system was

(21:31):
always set up in a manner that women girls were
going to overperform in they had the brakes put on
them for a while with regards to encouragement.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
All right, pausing there, So he's what what are you are?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I'm sorry he's talking out of his ass. Yeah, like
we are now hearing Chris Williamson's ass speaking.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, he's still like that's the thing. Though, it's almost
like I have to say for and I know this happens,
like a lot of people have a it's almost like
I don't know, like some trigger in their brain that
that's that's like, no, no, back up. You gotta like
we got to include women in a positive way now,
Like like I'm not kidding. It's like some kind of

(22:20):
like you know, mental thing that kicks in and they're like, wait,
let me quickly pander and they can't help themselves. And
I think it's I've seen it. It's I'm saying it's
it's not something that people are consciously doing. I think
it's like something that just kicks in. It's like so
deeply embedded in us that people have a hard time

(22:42):
not making that exception that that that comment.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
You know, well if I could, if I may.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I think it's because he has, as most men do,
an identity that center out centers around protecting and providing
for women. So exiting that identity is psychologically fraught, right,
So if he has in order to talk about these things,
he has to conceptualize himself not as a protector and provider,
but a being with inherent worth.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And that's difficult.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
So he has to put all the like the the
the training wheels out and you know, get the water
wingings on and get the padded helmet.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
And he's like, Okay, I'm braced. I'm going in the
danger spot.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
And you know, like maybe people like you and me,
and well maybe not me because I'm somewhat female, but
you know, like that our audience, they don't need to
have all of the water.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Wings and the and the.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Training wheels and the padded helmet and all of this
other and then in the knee pads and that we
can just be like, Okay, we're going there. But somebody
like him, he's probably very deeply invested in protecting and
providing women, and that defines his identity to a great degree.
So when he talks about issues, he says, Okay, well
now we need to focus on men.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
But don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I still recognize, you know, the importance of female victimhood
and being able to save women. So I think that's
the impulse behind it. It's not really it's not really
like a negative thing, but his pervasive it's such an
annoying thing, you know, it's just like, just shut up

(24:25):
about that, just for a little bit like just you know,
we're not gonna if we care about men, We're not
going to suddenly be like, ah, let's just all kick
those women into the trash. Even if men get readily
upset at women. I doubt that you're going to vastly
change how men are structured, you know, to like. I

(24:46):
know that there's some pushback on this, but I would
argue that there is a lot of male instincts around
protecting and providing for women and children, and that you're
not going to change that by simply acknowledging the problems
that men have. In fact, what going to end up
happening is men are going to be able to solve
those problems, and then they're going to be better.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
And use their solved now their new fixed state to
better to better women and children.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
It's absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Part of the part of the reason why we're stuck
in this this feedback loop is because feminists have convinced
us that men's inherent nature towards women is predatory. So
we think we have to cling to these narratives to
prevent I don't know, dead deadly or deadly snidely whiplash
from coming out you know, so he's like, oh God,

(25:38):
I better I better get my I better get my
anti snidely whiplash defense in place.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
At least I become him.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
It's like, well, that's that is directly because of feminists
like blood libel against men, their unsupported assertion that men
exploit women for their own benefit, which if you look
throughout history is ridiculously false.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
But anyway, so.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I mean that's where I think that comes from. Yeah,
you have some sympathy.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
He's he's, he's he's.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
The matrix has him, but he's trying to extricate himself.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I suppose.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
No, they're going to struggle with this stuffy and and
also they're looking at well, I don't know, like, yeah,
they're looking at solutions or potential solutions that have that
are not let's say they're there. They seem accessible, but
they're they're not practical, and they're either they're not I

(26:32):
don't know, like they're not tried enough. So like anyway,
let let's just let's go to the next bit here.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
If you're a white man, you get fewer opportunities period.
And it exists and no one's done anything about it,
by the way, just by lots of No, we're going
to fix it. No one's even tried to dismantle it.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah, what is that we I think a lot of
men feel like the difficulties are dismissed out of hand.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Well yeah, I mean again, Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
No, no, sir, they are smithed out of hand. You've
just went through saying that, just went through that we
have to frame. We have to have constant caveats and
reframing and make sure that everybody knows that we're not
challenging women's role as victim of society. You know, we
have to do this constantly tiptoe. I mean you've just

(27:19):
said just Also, I wanted to say that this discrimination
in education is not new. This is something that has
been happening to men since like the nineteenth century to
the turn one of the eighteenth and nineteenth. Men have
always had more difficulty with getting proper education. Well, once

(27:40):
that education was there was it was seen as more
of a civic duty to bring it to the lower classes.
Men were always struggling with this stuff like struggling with
attendance in school, struggling with literacy and all of that
because men were often used for their physical abilities, so
you don't need to be literate to pull a plow.

(28:01):
You don't need to be literate to put.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Down train tracks, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
So there's always been this pressure on men to get
a job early, whereas women stayed in education. Like this
is something that people don't recognize.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
In rural Canada.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
It used to be like the graduating classes of high school.
For example, my husband's graduating class graduated in like the nineties.
His graduating class was three fourths female, and the rest
of the boys had been pressured to drop out and
get labor jobs, right they and they were significantly like

(28:40):
in terms of their academic achievement, there was a significant gap.
But nobody talks about it. Nobody talks about it, nobody
cares about it. So to say that there was some
kind of pressure put on women to be less in
the past, that's absolute excrement. There's nothing supporting it. So
I'm sorry, Like, I appreciate that Chris Williams is struggling

(29:01):
with these things, but could he actually struggle with some
actual facts right and recognize these situations.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, I mean again, like you know, probably working with
whatever the information of the mainstream was. I think that
if you ask a normy person on the street if
like you know, women were denied education or has struggles
in the past, like ninety nine point nine percent of
them would say yes, and you'd actually have to like
go out of your way to the work to learn

(29:30):
the truth about that.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Why is he behind a microphone talking about this stuff?

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Well, I think that for I don't think his his
normal content is about women though, so I think his
normal content is generally aimed towards men. Talker's asking him
a question and not in the same way like that
like MRAs do. It's not like, you know, the kinds
of issues that would put us on a path to
learn about how well how well men do in fields

(29:57):
like education or labor or agric culture or the military
or whatever, because that's not what he does. He just
brings on guests and they talk about things like health
and fitness and dating and apps and you know, social
media usage. So you're not gonna get I don't think
he's gonna end up in that in that vein because

(30:17):
and so he's because he's not there, then he's just
not gonna know that. He's gonna go with whatever. What
is it that everyone else believes the women were oppressed
in history, and both of these guys would both of
these guys would believe that by the way, and yeah,
I mean, I guess shame on them. But want my
point is most people think that. So it's like understanding that,

(30:38):
like bluepill, people are not bad people, even if it's
their job to talk about men and women like they're
just mistaken. So we're just pointing it out. That's fine,
no issues there, but like you know.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Let's like get educated.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
I get it, I get it. Look, one time we
had a guest on Greg Ellis. Greg Ellis, Will was
an actor friends with Johnny Depp, and we got really lucky.
But we did a response to him once and he
had the same kind of like bluepillar talking points about
men and women. And I think that he kind of

(31:13):
justified the me too movement. And I think it's all
the same stuff that people will do even as they're
about to make criticisms or at least discover that things
are not what they thought, and so they start by
making some criticisms. But despite that, and we kind of like,
you know, rake the move the Coles when we did
a response to Greg Ellis. But despite that, he came

(31:35):
on our show and talked to us, and I remember
that he like, he didn't say, you know, you guys
hurt my feelings and I want an apology. He didn't
do anything like that, but he did say something about
the way we responded to him that got me thinking
ever since that day that like, maybe we attract more
bees with honey than with vinegar. And so what I'm

(31:59):
trying to do for my own part is I'm not
trying to have a series of videos where we respond
to people who are trying to do the right thing,
even if they're mistaken, and we're just bringing them all
on to call them cucks of some kind like track
cucks or live cucks or feminists closeted feminists or whatever.

(32:19):
I just want to know, look are you doing. You
said this, this is correct, this is not correct, and
just leave it at that. And I think, because I think.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
You're not calling them a cuck though no I know,
I know.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
I know, I know you're not. But but I'm saying, like,
this is why I'm doing what I'm doing, That's all
I'm saying. Okay, So I'm trying to be like fair
and I don't want to misrepresent or be uncharitable to
people who are mistaken but not necessarily going in the
complete wrong direction. And I don't think they're being like

(32:49):
dishonest or disingenuous or subversive. Like I don't think everyone
who's talking about this stuff is my enemy. Some people
are just you know, they're on the right pack, but
maybe they're a little off here. Some people are a problem,
and I'll call them those people out, but like that's
just where I'm at, like in my head with this.

(33:09):
So I think that Tucker and Williamson are They're not
they're not trying to make things worse for men. They
I think they do see that there's a problem, and
they acknowledge that on some level it is the problem,
like it is the most important problem. Like fuck Israel
and Palesine, Fuck Ukraine or Russia, fuck the whole Trump thing,

(33:30):
fuck the Epstein list, fuck all of that. Like if
you don't deal with the man in issue thing, that
you're done. And they even get into South Korea and
stuff like that in this conversation. So because of that,
I will wave a flag for them to keep going
while you know, while occasionally saying, well you know that
this this is something you probably don't know, right so okay.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Fair enough, all right, So you don't know, Chris Williamson.
You don't know the history of education and discrimination.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
He doesn't know any education.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
And a lot of what got so many men in
education in like the fifties and sixties was the GI bills.
Are you going to really begrudge these guys coming back
from a war and actually being able to go into
education and become and get higher paid jobs as a result, Like, seriously,
that's incredibly not cool.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Okay, let's yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
So okay, I think I do. I need to know
I got place some more. So this section, this already
has some time codes, but this section is called why
Female Happiness is in decline? Not because they're really concerned
about women, but they're looking at like both sides of this,
like has feminism helped women?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Sure? They are like that, they also are trying it
to yeah together.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I mean that's not the focus. I think that this
because I watched this video. So I think it's because
they're like, well, you know, feminism is obviously shit for men.
Is it good for women? Oh? No, it's not good
for women either, right, So.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
It's not good for anybody whining from a patriarchy.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Well, it's good for the Democrat Party.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Is good for the Democratic Party because single people vote
overwhelmingly Democrat. It's not just women, it's also single men.
So if you can actually drive a wedge between male
and female and keep people single, you are encouraging you're
actually creating Democratic voters.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So just consider that. Just consider that.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
You know, understand that, you know our society, both societies are.
All societies sort of live and die on the health
of their breeding colony. And the Democrats have made a
political they have made it a political boon to themselves
to destroy it. Might want to consider that it's a thought,
you know, yeah, I know it's partisan, but it's a thought.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
It feels like.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Men in the modern well being made to pay for
these supposed advantages of their father and their grandfathers.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
And I suppose it's not necessarily bring their work advantages,
but this is true. It's like men are expected to
pay wages that that their forefathers never like they didn't
benefit from, right, in fact, their forefathers probably had worse lives.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Like I mean, how can you say that there were
three million men who put through the CCC programs and
they were actually really badly. These are like the labor camps.
They weren't called forced labor camps, but men were put
in there on the If they were indigent and they
were rounded up, they would be said, okay, well you
can go to jail or go to the camp. You know,

(36:38):
you can get a fine that you can't pay, or
go to the camp. If they were in a family
that was on any kind of assistance, if you are
an able bodied young man, you were expected to go
to the camp or your family would be kicked off
of assistance. So and they are whatever wages they made
at these camps were sent home to their families to offset.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Their assistance, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Of course, you know, in some cases their alternative was starving.
So in every possible way, this was coerced and they
were forced into these camps. Three hundred million or sorry,
not three hundred three million, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Not way too big.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Three million were forced into these camps, and they did
hard labor. And the death rate was higher than the
high like double the highest uh industries, like the death
rate of the most dangerous industries today. So this was
very grueling work, grueling, dangerous work. These men were coerced

(37:38):
into and then they basically phased those work camps into
the mobilization of soldiers in.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
World War two.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Forced labor during the Great men were experiencing forced labor
during the Great Depression for the great crime of being poor.
Then they were experienced forced labor during World War Two
for the great crime being born male? And yeah, so
that what are you talking about the benefits of the past, Like, yeah,

(38:09):
I laugh, it's not funny, it's just horrifying.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
That logic is absurd. That's what's pain.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Yeah, okay, okay, it calls these guys to check out.
I mean the term toxic masculinity, right, Think about that.
Think about saying, there is something about you which is
so inherently broken. It's like original sin. There is this
part of you, so it's.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Worse because the original sin, you can actually redeem yourself.
Toxic masculinity is exactly what you were saying, Alison. It's
it's claiming something is socialized, but in reality you're you're
framing it as biological, like it's determinis it functions biological
Because there's no solution to toxic masculine.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
No complete there's the only solution is complete submission to feminism.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yes, even then though even then, no, you're never free,
because that's not the purpose of the dialectic.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
This is not a great This is not a great phrase.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Fra him the pause phase.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Yeah, a little deep down that needs to be expunged
in some sort of a way or exercised. There is
a bit of you that's broken. If you want to
prove to guys that they they're not welcome as a
part of this conversation in a communal, collaborative, compassionate way,
I think that's one of the best ways to get

(39:30):
them to switch off.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
I mean, there was a I collected.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Well, yes, of course it is. It is a narrative
of submission. You are broken unless you submit to us.
And that's where socialization comes in.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
It justifies.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
The expectation that men always submit to women.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
So funnily enough.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
The the pathogen that spreads toxic masculinity through the populence
is biology, and so it's your x y Z or
your x y chromosomes are the source of your disease.
But the solution is socialization through feminist framework. Yeah, that's

(40:16):
for what you're terming masculine ideology. Otherwise it's just it's
just a biological category that you are claiming is born criminal.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
All right, do you want to say anything about like,
do you want anything?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Oh yes, right, I forgot to say that before I
get into that. I do want to say that you
can't reverse the causal arrow here. That's what feminists are doing.
They're saying, well, the solution to toxic masculinity is socialized. Therefore,
it's not a bioessentialist category or produrb No, it's not
the way it works. You need a plausi plausible mechanism
of socialization before you can assert that your conjecture says

(40:55):
it's socialized. Well, yeah, if you guys want to set
a super child, that'd be great, right. I've also did
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Feed the Badger dot com slash support is where we
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(41:16):
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Speaker 2 (41:26):
Funds you send.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
And you get to send your comments, not through YouTube comments.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Bumper car attraction or this. It's comment threshers.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
One thing and then use that just like one. Elaborate
is fine. The you know, the filtration system, the septic
tank like whatever, but.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Anyway, doesn't septic tank. Okay, let's go.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Most of YouTube is a septic tank. All right, So
here comes the rage bait. Let's let's get into this.
This is probably going to ruffle some feathers.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
For this one.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Okay, Togo hypothesis was one of my favorites. This is
one of my others, and this is the male sedation hypothesis.
So throughout history there is an idea called young male syndrome.
If you have a high number of young, unpartnered men,
they tend to be antisocial. They push over cars and
set granny on fire and cause revolutions and uprisings and

(42:19):
stuff like that. There has ever been a society throughout
history that has lots of unpartnered young men. They tend
to cause problems when men get into a relationship, they
test us run drops exactly.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
But this is not he's just setting it up. He's
saying in the past, when you had like a society
where there were a lot of men who did not
have spouses or families, they would become they would tend
towards antisocial behavior. Is what he's saying.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
Okay, they have kids that test us.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
Run drops again. So in this regard women very much.
Do domesticate men make them more pro social, They reduce
their risk taking behavior.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
This is good.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
If you've got a baby at home, you need to
not think, oh, just jump off that cliff for fun, like, no,
there's a kid at home. Historically, that has been a
tendency for these kinds of societies with high numbers of
unpartnered young men to cause problems, given that we have
got high rates of sexlessness, a displacement among young men

(43:21):
in the.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Word respond to this, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
I don't think that's accurate.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
In fact, there is data that indicates that higher numbers
of men are more associated with social stability, and not
just that there's this. It's not the compare the amount
of destruction caused by young men getting into wars that
societies have decided are important versus any other category of destruction. Right,

(43:52):
this is like the most radicalized. Like if you really
think of the most destructive narratives. They're the ones that
society pushes on young men to go out and go
kill other young men to solve its social it's social,
it's political problems, and it's dimplocat matic problems. So I
think that this is And also this is like, I

(44:13):
really think you need to think about this narrative, I
mean really hard, because criminal behavior in young men is
a minority. It's not common, right, and a lot of
criminals are criminals.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Not just technically. So yeah, hypothesis, it's it's his theory.
It's his theory. He could be wrong. He's obviously wrong,
I think.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
But well, I mean, like, it's not a consistent thing.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
They haven't found it consistently.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
The other thing is that when they do find it,
what is the What is the relationship between greater numbers
of men and displacement and economic you know, disenfranchisement. You
have to untangle that. So it's like it's I don't
think it's as strong finding as he's suggesting it is.
And the other thing is is, Okay, well, we've liberated

(45:03):
women from almost all the social constraints on their sexuality.
Are they indicating to us that they without those constraints
that they go for men, tame men, conscientious men, men
who are good providers. No, they go for excitement, They
go for the narcissistic personality, the personality style.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Okay, they go for good looking and bad or are
what was that? Does he fuk good?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Like?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
That's what they go for.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I want to go to the club and leave their
kid with their sister or their mom or something.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, that's what they go for.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Sore, There should be some thought put into the idea
that conscientious young men like might be drawn to Christianity
or might have been encouraged to develop more in Christianity,
who have a belief system around chastity themselves, exert a

(46:02):
moralizing and taming force on young women. Right, Because if
you are in a culture where men see their sexuality
and service of God and community and not outside of it,
then the women have to conform to that too, and
if they if they want to have fun times, they

(46:22):
got to get wedded. Right, And we are seeing what
happens when we completely liberate women sexually from any consequence.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Have they created a utopia?

Speaker 1 (46:36):
No?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Have they created tamed men.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
They're reversing that. So maybe there's something to it to actually,
because this is the thing, like, where where are all
of these licensatious men being rewarded and encouraged? Certainly not
in Christian communities and certainly not as you go past
in the past and the history in history and the

(47:01):
communities that were very much about pursuing sexual control and ethics, right,
So I mean, can we consider that that also had
a civilizing effect on women considering what we're seeing now? Man,
this is this, this angel in the house traditionalism, I

(47:22):
swear it's it's we gotta we.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Gotta read Chris Williamson is at all like trad but
but I mean again, these guys are blue pill normies,
so mostly purple pill at rest. But I don't know,
all right, so there should be Yeah, let's some more
to this.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
Is it that we haven't seen the concurrent kinetic outcomes
of this?

Speaker 3 (47:45):
So he's saying this is he's assuming this has happened historically,
and he's asking, so why hasn't it happened now? So
why hasn't there been like, like, you know, a bunch
of men, you know, destroying everything whatever, acting out, chimping out.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Well, because when does he think, Okay, has there ever
been in history a bunch of men who just chimped
the hell out because of no reason, because they just.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
He brought up this, He brings up this anecdote or
this this uh story of these elephants. I don't think
that's one of the time codes. I could get it
if you want. That's supposed to be like, you know,
like evidence to back his claims that there were these elephants,
and they and they needed to move the elephants from
the herd from one place to another with helicopters, and

(48:37):
but they couldn't take the bull elephants because they were
too heavy. So they they took the young elephants and
the females and they put them to this other place.
And the bull elephants didn't have any females to mate with,
so they ended up like just killing everything like animals
and trampling, you know, like rhinoceroses and shit, like they

(48:58):
were killing the rhinos. That that's what he said. And
that's sort of like an example of what he's getting at,
I guess, or like where he gets his theory from.
So I'm just letting you know where he's pulling this promise,
not from nowhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's right,
because we're not elephants anyway. So let's play some more.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
It's my belief that men are being sedated out of
that status seeking and reproductive seeking behavior through video games,
screen porn. So this is not enough of a dose
to make men happy, but it is enough of a
dose to stop them from going nuclear banding together causing
some sort of an uprising.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
If you call this hypothesis rather than just an obvious fact,
I mean I probably should call it a notion.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
I think for a hypothesis, you actually need to properly
do a study for it. I'm just going to state
it as what male sedation.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Okay, let me play some more beautiable.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
Reality, male sedation truth. Yeah, we call it that, but
I think that.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
So yeah, so, so he believes that men are sedated
by stimulus like drugs, alcohol, food, video games, pornography, so
that they don't organize a revolt and like you know,
overthrow everything or whatever just cause the chimp out. And

(50:15):
I know and Tucker disagrees with that. So yeah, that's
that's his that's his theory. Go ahead and yell if
you guys want.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I don't think he disagrees with it. I think he
does agree with it.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
No, he does.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, Now I think that yes, men are being anesthetized.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I don't think it's for anybody's benefit.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
No, No, Tucker doesn't think it's for to their benefit either.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, And I don't think it's because it's like, why
would you even start with Okay, I know this might
end up being too critical, but why would you even
start with this whole hypothesis of young men chimping out?

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, I mean, like they're grasping for answers, That's what
I think. I mean, he even said admittedly that it's
not really a hypothesis. He thinks a bit more like
a notion. Tucker basically says, no, this is a biological fact.
But I think they're both wrong. I mean, you know that,
like it's really easy and tempting to blame porn in
video games, which is like, I know that that's like

(51:19):
the thing that's going to really piss people off. I
think that men, like women, can be addicted to anything,
and I think it can make them into like relatively
unpredictive members of society. I don't think that there's an
argument that can be made against that. I don't think
every man who plays video games is in that position.
I don't think every man that smokes weeds sometimes is
in that position, or drinks or gambles or watches TV

(51:43):
or sports or magic cards, just like I don't think
every woman that reads, you know, Morning Glory, Milking Farm
or Fifty Shades of Gray is like a useless lump
of shit. I think there are some people who have
addictive personalities and they get into something and they can't
they don't have the way to get out of it,
and I think they've always existed. I think that like

(52:03):
when you when you take away the medium, whether that's
social media because he said screens, social media, doom, scrolling,
video games, pornography, but you can just change that to
something else, like whatever people used to do. We know, TV, gambling, drinking,

(52:24):
and it's a lot of people still do those things.
So it's it's not a it's not an issue of
the medium. It's the person. And we have to be
able to discern the difference between someone who enjoys a
pastime and someone who uses it for dopamine hits because

(52:44):
they have nothing else going on, and those people don't
need our ire or shame. They need our help, right,
That's what I think. So I am.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Looking at my feed and it is full of.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
This feminist who is declaring that Grok is harassing her
because you be.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Like that, mister Stanton, because she's okay.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
So I said something and I'd like text, I can't
I had.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Grog for an analysis?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Did she responds to Grog and then Grok responds to her,
and she responds back, and now she's saying that she's
being harassed by Grog.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
God, this is a joke.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Just stop talking to it. And she's also referring to
Grok as a hymn. But this is freaking hilarious stuff, all.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Right, anyway, So let's keep going on video games. What
is it that it gives men? It gives them any
sense of progress, of camaraderie, of goal seeking behavior, and
you know, for winding down half an hour a couple
of nights a week, perhaps that's a cool thing to do,
but when it completely consumes your life because you don't
feel like you have agency or progress or you can

(53:55):
make changes in the real world, so you supplant your
real world pursuits for video game PSUs. We all realize
that there is a dose dependent curve that beyond which
you are spending too much time in the virtual world.
The same thing goes to screens. This is the sense
of camaragerie and group seeking behavior that typically you would
have gotten by going out and doing something, and shit
would have occurred due to that. Again, says that a right.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
So they know that they're the irony of them being
on a screen right now too, not, I mean, not untrue.
But here's the thing. The video games thing is not
a cause. It is, if anything, at best, a symptom.
But again, it's just like any other pastime, just like

(54:38):
any other hobby. So if men don't feel welcome in
the world, then it's not their fault, you know, we
have to like look at the root of the problem. Also,
you distracted? Are you still on edge? We're not. We're
not doing this video anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I'm going back. I'm I apologize. I was on GROC because.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I wanted to see an analysis of the data around
excess of male population relating to social disorder, and then
I got distracted by this feminist who has spammed my
notifications with her allegations that GROC is harassing her or him.
I don't know who knows. So I just thought that

(55:23):
was and then I went down the rabbit hole. I'm sorry,
I'm back, I'm back.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I want to touch it.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
So anyway, so let's go to the next one. So
that's about fatherlessness. And this is a big one here.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
So I think that talking about inequality and talking about
class problems is a really important They shouldn't agree more.
Fatherlessness is the real inequality. Of course, once you grew
up apart from the biological father, are two times more
likely to end up in jail at prison by age thirty.
Fatherlessness is a better predictor of growing up in casse

(56:00):
ration than being pulled all that race And what's the fix?

Speaker 2 (56:06):
What's the fix? What do they say is the fix?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Well, they say that we got to put fathers back
into home, but they don't get into like the legislation
stuff or anything like that. Yeah, and they also, if
I remember correctly, they also don't get into the deadbeat
dad things. I know that's the thing that you see
a lot where they're like, well, you guys got to
raise your kids. They don't do that either. I think
that the I don't know if they talk about the
incentive structure because that's the problem. Let me see if

(56:34):
I can get let me see if I can get
a fatherlessness. Can I get to this this section herepression,
I'm trying to see there's more about the father thing.
It goes on for like two minutes. No, another minute,
so we can listen to some more of it. Okay,
but yeah, this is all obvious stuff. This is like

(56:55):
my my big thing I'm hung up on is putting
Dad back in this proper place, and that's going to
require us to push the state. Well, actually they've already
made a big change when they what was it the default?
A shared custody that made a massive dent already. And
the other thing I found out that's the thing I
shared with you, Alison. Are you are you listening or.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Are you I'm listen. I'm listening.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Where it showed the that divorce is a social contagion,
and that when a woman gets divorced, other women who
are her friends that are married are more likely to
get divorced too, because they want to feel like like
it's a it's a social contagion, divorcing your man. That's crazy,

(57:43):
but it's true. So the opposite is also true. The
if you are married, and you stay with a man
and you are friends with other married women who are
you know, with kids and stuff. They're more likely to
stay married because they don't want to lose their social group,
like they don't want to lose that connection. And it

(58:06):
reminds me of an episode of Mad Men, or like
one of the first the first season, there was a
and I know it was presented like you're supposed to
feel really bad for this character, but in mad Men
it's I was it. Don Draper is married and his
wife I forget her name, but the actress January Jones.
They're like moving into their new place in the suburbs,

(58:27):
and all the women have kids and their men, you know,
their their husband's work during the day. It's like it's
all they're very much the trad con set up or whatever.
But there is one woman that moved in that's a
single mom or yeah, she's a single mom, and all
the other women are like stunning her and treating her
differently and stuff, and we're supposed to feel really bad
for the single mom and she's like, you know, not

(58:49):
happy about it. I don't I don't know, like I
don't remember what the conditions of the divorce were it
doesn't really matter. And but it's it's interesting because this
is like literally like the opposite of what we are
now like living with where most like single moms are
very common, and there is something to the social contagion theory.
I think that women will they'll mold their lifestyle around

(59:12):
the women that are around them, So it's got nothing
to do with the men. Right, So so divorce is
potentially a social contagion.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
But you can actually stop all of this without shunning
or anything by simply.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
The instituting fifty custody. And then it'll take on a
life of myself.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah yeah, and maybe if the single mom has taken
pains to keep her her ex and her children's lives,
she doesn't need to be shunned.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah. Okay, okay, So I got some comments on the
special chat.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Okay, you really want to go there?

Speaker 3 (59:51):
All right, I mean just briefly. So one, well, it's
something on the main chat. Somebody said this a couple
of times, so I'm guessing they want the attention. Let
me see if I can find it. Somebody asks about game,
trying to see where it where it is? Maybe I
missed it? Uh, let me see sorry, I don't see anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, it had something to do with the teaching. Me. H,
what do you think of teaching men to get women
through game? I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I don't care, but I just say that, like, that's
not really our focus. It's my thing is is that
I don't want men to get destroyed in divorce court
or get used of something. Yeah, and that's that's like,
no matter how much game you have, you run the
risk of that. So I know that. I know there
are people that are like, you know, dating coaches or

(01:00:49):
whatever that I'll tell you, just game her forever and
you'll never get in trouble. But that's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Super Charging.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Com slash just a tip, come on, says, are you
a fan of the critical Drinker? Yeah, he's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I think he's okay, Like, yeah, he's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Yeah. I think he's still like trying to like stay
out of the you know, out of this conversation. But yeah,
he's trying to do this. It is coming for these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Like we are in the process of absolutely destroying our
economic system, and the only way to rebuild it, as
far as I know, is to revisit the issue of
the relationship between men and women, because every economic system
has that as its foundation. Yeah, Like I know that
people hesitate to realize this, but that's the first economic transaction.

(01:01:43):
Is that between men and women. That's the first, that's
the very basis of all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
That the verses of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
The trust that underlies our economic systems.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
And we are.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
About to face a one hell of a crisis. Like
I don't know how we're gonna I know that usually
we muddle through, but this this one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Is quite the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Like, like I've said before, the fact that AI companies
are thirty percent now and if they were ever to
ever to justify the amount that their shares are worth,
most of the human race would have to be unemployed.
So in order to actually not have a serious market correction,

(01:02:22):
we'd have to destroy our consumer based economy entirely. It's like,
it's it's this Morton's fork is it's coming, and it's
it is it is something like who knows, who knows
what will happen, but I would imagine that the solution
will probably come from where we're mining it right now,
which is mensich is the relationship between men and women.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Okay, let's see it back to the.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Video, and I'm more likely to end up in jail
at prison than they ought to complete college if they
grow up in any non intact home. Boys and fatherless
homes twice as likely to grow up with depression. Girls
and father those homes are ten times as likely to
grow up with depression. So a big question there is
is this generation really depressed or did they just grow

(01:03:07):
up without dad?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Big? They grew up without dad to stop you there,
They grew up without dad because they live in the
most abundant, the safest, the most technologically advanced, the most
like protected society in all of history. But there are
no fathers, So there's no cause for depression other than

(01:03:32):
they don't have the dad there that provides like all
of the various social, cultural, and even like biological and
chemical things. That's why girls are all on SSRIs and
boys are you know, in the shape that they're in.
So and this is the thing too that just real quick,

(01:03:52):
this is the thing that actually does annoy me a
lot about people in this conversation is they still are
getting this like, well, men have to do something. But
the problem is, I mean, I don't disagree, because women
aren't going to. So that's the reality. Women are not
going to do much. Maybe just stop shitting on men
is a good start, But I'm not putting all of

(01:04:14):
my eggs in that basket of like women changing things
in some drastic way, because I don't think they have
any incentive too, and they're just gonna like they'd rather
just ride out everything to make themselves happy and not
actually try to do something for the greater let's say,
the greater good of society. But we have to understand
that those men are like they're they're two or three

(01:04:36):
generations out of a father, so they're like they're completely crippled.
Like we have crippled them. So now we have to
help them, not shame them, not burrate them, not blame them,
but help them get up there on their feet and
like tell, encourage them and build them up. That's what
we have to do. And it's not to feed an ego.

(01:04:59):
It's because they're crippled. We have crippled men, zoomer men
and millennial men in particular, and alpha men are probably
like I mean that they're too young now, but soon
they're going to be adults.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
So yeah, yeah, all right, let's how many more timecos
do we have.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
For the that, Well, that's all of them. I do
have some on feminism where they discuss feminism a bit.
I don't know if that's something of interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Let's take a look at that. Let's see what they
have to say.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
So we got one. Let's see criticism of mono feminism,
teaching women that true liberation means having sex like their
brother and working like their father. Or there's a conversation
about female freedom there is. There is something kind of
infant they talk about me too. I don't know if
you want to see that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Where do they get sex like their brother? Like in
the past, their brother would be you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Christian two.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Well, I don't know about the past. I mean I
think they mean like how they perceive men today.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah, but why do they think that even even if
men can handle casual sex more, look at the outcome here, right,
outcome is not beneficial on a functional level. And I
don't understand why there's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
This ever present belief that there's so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Much encouragement for young men to it certainly doesn't exist
in more conservative communities as far as I can tell, Like,
the sluttiness is not supposed to be like both men
and women are not supposed to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
But regardless, let's let's hear what they have to say.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
I'm going to go to fifty nine forty five.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
I think that if you are a woman who is
a mum and has daughters or is looking for partner,
has a partner, and wants a partner to be increasingly
good for you, you should be as passionate, if not more,
about this problem than we are. Of course, the very
fact that men are being sedated out of being more

(01:06:54):
useful is creating precisely the dearth of eligible male partners
that you are. Probably I was driving women insane. I mean,
I've never seen more crazy women in my life. I
think if men as crazy and women is kind of
stable and steady and women in my life? Are you
see women hitting each other in public, screaming endorsing violence,
Like I don't even recognize that behavior, and I think it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
What the f f it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
But like, women are more like I'm thinking, women are
more likely to advocate violence against And I like say,
I'm thinking because I don't have conclusive data, but there
is data being worked on, and it's starting to look
like women, like gen Z, women are way more violent
than gen Z men, even though they don't necessarily act

(01:07:40):
on it, but they often do with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Hmm, yeah, okay, let me check. No, No, it's been
sort of a quiet day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
I wonder if it's a speaker.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
We're finally on a superchowl. Yay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Betty Adams gives us five dollars and says, I can
I stand for this elephant slander. It was not the
bulls left behind that merked the rhinos. It was the
young elephants without bulls, fewer male elephants meant more aggression,
and they fixed the problem by adding some senior males
in Okay, that was my bad. I just misquoted him.
He did say that. He did say it was adolescent
males that were left behind.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
I think, yeah, yeah, what is a good point? Like literally,
he says that it's all it's too many males, and
then they solve the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
With violence by adding more males.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Okay, maybe maybe you need to distinguish between types of males. Okay,
let's uh, all right, let's continue.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
It's so depressing to me, and I think that's all
a reaction, that's all frustration.

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
Over this question.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Men and women need each other there are no men,
and because they're you know, wasting their energies doing pointless things,
and it's driving women like bonkers.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
They seem crazy, they don't. They seem a little crazy
to you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
I have not perhaps as you the women and you all,
I'm not around very many crazy women, but I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
I'm never around crazy women.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
All the women in my life are like completely stable,
and they help keep the men calm and less crazy.
And that's I think the way it was designed to work.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
And it's like you are one weird outlier, Tucker. Yeah, well,
Tucker lives in an enclave of autistic women.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Well yeah, I don't really know. I mean they're they're
I think that women that are perhaps women that don't
want for anything, are probably like less of a problem
than women who are anxious about the future. And I'm
guessing that because Tucker is well off financially, the people
around him are also are, so they're and they're probably

(01:09:42):
all older, so they're probably all level headed. And that's
probably true of everybody. Like if you look around online
or whatever you're seeing, I don't know if it's a subset,
but it's like it's a different it's a different jungle. Okay,
Oh the man mab boobnor for eighty six is what

(01:10:02):
do MRA think of game? It's a tool, but it
won't protect you from divorce, child custody issues and false allegations.
Just let you know. But yeah, man, have at it
if you want. Just remember what you're getting into. And
that's what we're about, is warning you. Uh okay. So

(01:10:23):
then we got a conversation about female freedom, questioning the
evidence that women wanted freedom. Whoa, it's a little bit
uh one o two.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Forty nine life that pre liberation, pre Betty for Dan
and Gloria Steinem, it was just it was the Handmaid's Tale.
It was just a healthscape, forced pregnancies and servitude to
the patriarchy and some guy and a wife beater beating
his wife was just. But there's no evidence of that
at all. Like we have public opinion polling on this.

(01:10:55):
Have you ever seen any that showed like, I don't
know even a large percentage of a mayor and women
pre nineteen sixty five are like desperately unhappy.

Speaker 6 (01:11:04):
I've never looked at at now I have. It doesn't exist.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
That's all bullshit, interesting all propaganda or like a small
subset of unhappy women.

Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
There's always a small subset of unhappy people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
All right, and then it's increased massively since then.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Yeah, right, so he this is this is good because
he's questioning the patriarchy of yesterday, right, which is bullshit.
So that's that's a I mean, I think that's good.
One more thing I want to get I want to
find I thought was a bit of a ooh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
We need some I'm finding stuff music.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
No, I already got it, already got it, okay, okay,
page forty five. This is interesting, all right, So they
talk about a book, okay at one point and let
me see one thirty seven fifteen, this is I think
this is like red pilling stuff right here. Okay, but

(01:12:04):
for these people, Yeah, you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
Are aware of that, because every man is aware of that.
What the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
That's not healthy at all?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
But what is he talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Yeah, I'm just guessing I have no personal experience with it,
but that seems to me to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Be oh oh oh oh yeah, No, it's it's a
little bit further back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
Completely.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
The goal of Me Too was to sanitize the toxic
elements of male behavior, and instead it ended up sterilizing
most of them.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
And what are it due to women? I mean, is
there no woman wants to be treated in a way
that's vulgar or cruel or dehumanizing. Of course those are
just that, that's just the human you know, no one
wants that. But is there any evidence that women didn't
want men to be aggressive? I noticed there's been an
enormous rise. I hear about it all the time in
women asking to be choked during sex. I always talk

(01:12:55):
to people with their sex lives. I'm interested in the topic.
I think it reveals a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
About actually, would like to know your location?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Okay, okay, okay, all right, that's that's a joy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Would this is one thing that I never thought Tucker
Carlson would say.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
I but it gets better, it gets better. This is
this is a good part right here.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
I thinks the most human thing there is not embarrassed
at all. I've never heard anything like that until about
ten years ago. This girl wants me to choke her.
I remember, it's like kind of horrified. I don't see
any connection between sex and violence. I'm just not into it.
But like, what is that? And it's very common. I'm
not going to embarrass you by asking you if you
are aware of that, But I know you are aware
of that because every man is aware of that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
What the fuck is that? Like, that's not healthy at all.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
That is that is women's unfettered sexual desires. And it's
so funny because I see it now that like there's
guys out there who are actually looking at what women
look like or look at and read about sexually and
are absolutely horrified.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
And it's like, yes, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
What looks like when you unchain the female sexual id.
It is horrifying. And I knew about this because I
have done like the fan fiction the tumblr, and I
have seen it for myself many many years ago, and
now they're making it mainstream because they have absolutely no

(01:14:22):
appropriate boundaries. There's no we don't put boundaries on women's sexuality.
We just insist it's angelic.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
And then they're one of the first, if not the
first pornographic document was a book for women. It was
like a poem or something, I mean, like other than
of dis but like I think there was like a
piece of literature was like officially, you know, the have
just been guys having fun like draw vainy, triumphant, but yeah,

(01:14:52):
what do you think of my Pallas? Fast forward to
like ancient Greece again, Okay, longest Maximus, I'm sorry, the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Biggest because okay, I think we've gotten a little off
the rails.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Thank you, Tucker, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Okay, but that's my point was, Yes, that's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
I don't even know if I can still remember my point. No,
when when men are looking at women actually what they
actually find sexually arousing, their becoming more and more horrified.
So I'm just wondering why we never considered the possibility
that men's sexuality is actually.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Break on women's as well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
You know that that we that men actually pull women
back from the brink of absolute degeneracy. I mean, maybe
it's a mutual thing, maybe we both pull each other.
But you know, at least men generally still get it
on to things that look like women, except for the brownies,
the subset of the bronies. But then but then they

(01:15:56):
still have female personalities, so you know, maybe that maybe
that's what Okay, they're like statian aliens, Okay, that that
we're in a weird space.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
Let's keep going, need to be I'm just guessing I
have no personal experience with it, but that seems to
me to be an expression of longing for male aggression
that's gone in an unhealthy direction. Or did you read
you know, the famous pornographic novel for women?

Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
Do you remember this? Did you read it?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
Well, I read it because I'm interested in women. Okay,
I read it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
It's a great disclaim it so that you can justify
reading fifty Shaw.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
It was the least erotic thing I've ever read in
my life. I read it on a flight to LA.
I was embarrassed to read it, but I was like,
I'm interested in women. I want to know how they think.
Not even a twitch. Really, I took a celibacy pledge
by the time. When I read LA, I found it
so repulsive and weird, and it just shows men and
women are so different that things that turned them on
are different exactly. It was all about control and humiliation.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Dude, what have you read?

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
I read parts of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
It is it is badly written.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
In fact, we had to I read it with the patrons,
or part of it, and we had to. It was
so boring that we changed Christian Gray to Christian graveheard
or to the seventh Seas and and his and the
perhaps no, no, no, well he had to be straight, Yeah, exactlyties,

(01:17:28):
miss Steel. Yeah that was so we we just did
it so it would be more entertaining and less dreary.
But yeah, that that that whole book was just like
there is obviously a serious compulsion in women to submit,
and they don't want to admit it, and they want
to think that this is something that's inflicted on them

(01:17:50):
by men. But I think that instead of it actually
being inflicted on them by men, I think it's more
that men and women and older women who actually have
some sense massage that into. Don't don't submit to you know,
handsome sociopathic anatole, submit to conscientious, moral, dignified other you know,

(01:18:19):
like a male character. That's that's like somebody better than that,
sorry gorn, Yeah, submit to moment. So so just they
just moved. And then the whole thing with Christianity is
you're submitting to a man who is moral, ethical, puts
your interests first, no community leader, that kind of thing chased,

(01:18:41):
you know, not driven by his sexuality into strange and places.
Perhaps that that's that's kind of the thing. You massage
it towards something more uh, socially productive, shall we say,
and then when you unleash it, you find out that, no,
women don't want to submit to socially product active stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Minotaurs and sociopaths, minotaurs and psychos. Alright, okay, we're like.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
Oh my gosh, right, I had to.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
I mean whatever, women were really infuego about this book
and it's gotten worse. You Like, honestly, I've been to
church services that are more ronic than this.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
This is actively Okay, So I have some I have
some first tund exam experience of this.

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
I was the cover of a bunch of dogs, like
the best party, this is this is this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Conversation here is like the best part.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Yeah yea. So so Chris Williamson said that he was
he used to model for dark romance novels.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Oh no, I'm sorry, sir, Oh god, no, it's gonna
get Does it really turn bad?

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
No? Well let's just listen.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
Okay, Okay, So I have exam the experience of this.
I was the cover of a bunch of dok romance
novels in my twenties. Sorry, I was the cover model
of some doc romance novels in my twenties. You do
not need to google them you were the fabio of
the UK. Yeah, Dorian Gray, Dorian Gray but with a
British accent. Actually, yeah, I did. I did every right,

(01:20:09):
did my producer.

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
Tell me this? Let me check the booking sheet here.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
I did every red flag that your future son in
law should not have male model, DJ, nightclub promoter, all
of the red flags. My point is I was a
part of this very tangentially right.

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
You do modeling.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
Sometimes a photo gets taken, an author says, oh, that's great,
that can be like the muse idea for the front
cover of this book. Would I be able to buy it?
And I'm twenty, I'm like, yeah, sure, you pay a
thousand bucks and get my photo. That's I'm on the
book cover of a book. Isn't that great? A little
bit darker and more raunche than I might have anticipated
My mum when she found out that someone was on
the cover of a book, So be lovely. I'd love
to read it. And I'm like you, this isn't Harry Potter.

(01:20:47):
You're not reading this book anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Please tell me he avoided going to the conventions.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Well, let's see, I don't know if the work of it,
he said his twenties. I don't know how he is now.
I think he's in his forties.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Oh yeah, answer, it's pretty typical. Well, when was this published?
I found it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
You found Chris Williamson's book, The Dorian Gray Thing. All right, yep, well,
don't show me. I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Well, it's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
It's it's not actually that bad for in terms of
dark fantasy. It's sort of it's sort of tame.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Well, it was probably an old book. I bet it's
probably gonna a lot worse lately, that's what yeah, Oh yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
What was interesting was the timing of Fifty Shades coming
out and the sort of archetypes that you saw within
the dark Roman genre, very much typically masculine man, heavy brow,
big hands, lumberjack, plaid shirt man stuff, big chest, muscular,
in a position of prestige, typically dominant, typically wealthy, not
succumbing to or just not particularly of the ilk that

(01:21:48):
the modern world was telling men that they should be
more of, especially post me too.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
And this is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
An uncomfortable circle to square if you want to try
and marry these two worlds together, right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
No, it's not. It is absolutely like this is this
is what women want.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
They want paradoxically, they want a really hot man who
with a sociopathic personality style, but will actually get in
a relationship with them that is not fraught with the
usual bullshit that psychopath you know, like antisocial men bring, Well,

(01:22:26):
you can't have that right and expecting men to embody
that is ridiculous, okay, And I think that's part.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Of the reason why, you know, men who.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Were not as This is another This is another screenshot
that's a little freaking unflattering, but anyway, he looks like
he's just touched an electrical.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Fence a little.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
But asking men to I think this is one reason
why men who are more on the left and more
liberal were drawn to feminism, because it promised that they
could become more whole. They could have that pressure to
be super alpha taken off them. Of course, it didn't
just added additional pressure that you were supposed to be

(01:23:09):
this this unrelenting alpha character, but also you know, capable
of being beta, you know, in the but capable of
putting all of understanding and putting all of our emotional
needs and getting all of her everything else. So it's
like it's like alpha plus is what feminists actually ended
up landing on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
So think that those men thought like feminist I thought
that like being like a feminist man was their way
of beating the alpha. So they were still engaging in
like sexual just beating the alpha.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Simply being No, it's more than just beating the alpha.
It's being fully yourself right, being able to express your
vulnerabilities and your fears, and having a partner who's not
going to run away if you do so. And that's
what feminism sold them didn't deliver in any capacity. So
when he's saying, oh, well, you know this is what

(01:24:09):
women really want. Yeah, but what women really want right
now is destroying our society and it's also not making
them happy. So maybe instead of saying, well, men should
be like that, we should say, women, this is not
good for you. Going after Anatole instead of Pierre is

(01:24:30):
not good for you. It's a war and peace reference.
Although although Natasha did eventually go after Pierre, so and
our original love was Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
No, no, oh god, Russian names.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Russian names are like double pronunciation for me, it's even remember.
But anyway, we need to go back to telling women
that not all of their impulses are beneficial good or
should be celebrated in public.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Okay, And I don't know if that's where he's going
with that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
There's a bit more I can keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
So what they did was they tried to make romance
novels more in keeping with the sort of archetype that
modern men were perhaps supposed to be, a more agreeable,
softer sort of man. And these are referred to as
cinnamon role husbands or golden retriever husbands. And they wrote
romance novels about this story arc. Right, this was the

(01:25:30):
kind of archetype that was going on shock horror. They
did not sell right. Women were not buying the golden
retriever husband, cinnamon roll husband story arc. They wanted the
Dorian Gray archetype.

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
How Shart not at all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Shocking, although it's funny though, because there does seem to
be a kind of woman that likes the Hallmark movie guy,
but he is a little bit more of that kind
of chad guy. Like, you know, girl from the city
goes to her small town and right, there's like a
guy there and he's like he works with his hands
and he runs a you know, a veterinary clinic that

(01:26:07):
only deals with puppy. He's down home and simple, but
she likes him. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
But you know what I was, Yeah, I absolutely know
what you're talking about. But that's very much associated, I
think with more religious It's.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Kind of like, I don't know, women like paradoxes. They're
drunk because they they want to work in like the
big city. That's usually these girls in these stories are like,
you know, high flying female lawyer or paralegal or entrepreneur
or something. Go, you know, left her small town to
find herself in Manhattan. Got a big job, very powerful,

(01:26:42):
lots of powerful friends, makes a lot of money, but
then she has to go home for the holidays to like,
you know, Middle America, somewhere small town farm bumps into
a guy and he's like, you know, like the simplest man,
but something endearing, but something about him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Know, So, what what is special? Checks?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Spasming? Yes, and moral Christians don't exist?

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
What the hell? Where did that come from?

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
There's no just being a bit weird. There's no nuance
to be found here. What are you talking about? Like,
you're not even listening. No, he's not, he's just You're
just like, I don't like that. You just said something
nice about Christianity. You're the ones with no nuance. Yes,
there are people who are not good at being Christians.

(01:27:29):
That doesn't that doesn't mean anything about the whole religion.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Okay, anyway, okay, and what is this You realize that
people aren't wolves? Well, actually, technically wolves are currently being
looked at as the best biological like anthropological model of
our early evolution because they have a lot of the
same social structures and behaviors, so they're actually closer in

(01:27:53):
that sense. It's like a parallel evolution. They're not closer genetically,
but they're closer than our nearest relative is which are
which are the chimps or the bonobos? And they're much
more close.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
To what we are.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
And I'm sure what you're thinking about is the alpha
beta thing. Probably he knee jerk because we talked about alphas,
but it's like, yes, that's a concept.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
In romance novels.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
We're not talking about alpha's as like the ideal man.
In fact, I think I explicitly said that isn't ideal.
That actually a society is more functional when it teaches
women to go after men who are normal, conscientious, hard working,
good providers, like their kids, okay, and when they teach
women not to go completely bonkers when said men have

(01:28:36):
any kind of issue or.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Problem or you know, emotion. This what's up with you?

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Your scritchen. You're scritchen constantly. I think she's having some
kind of allergy attack. All right, let's let's keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
All right, A little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Nuanced means did you read any.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
Of the books.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
You should go back and read your own books, and
I bet you would find them not only non erotic,
but like anti erotic.

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
Like these are your fantasies? Really?

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
What are the I think every man thinks that female
sexual fantasies are like pillow fights in the sorority house.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Why would you think that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Those are male? No, it's just I think guys think
that about girls. But that's what guys. Guys want girls
pillow fighting in a sorority house, you know, because it's
soft and feminine.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Uh, okay. I got a rumble rant from Nova Fan
twenty one. Thank you Nova Fan gives a dollar and says,
judging from the way Tucker Carlson describes the woman he
brings up, I'd imagine listening to the woman in his life.
The women in his life share how they prevented girls
from becoming feminists might be more enlightening. Well, yeah, that
would be. But I don't think Chris Williamson wouldn't ask

(01:29:56):
that question because they're not ready to the one thing
that's for sure, at least for Chris Williams and is
he's not ready to say, you know what, feminism was
a mistake. I think Talker would say that, but I
don't think Williamson would. Benny Adams gives us five dollars
super child, thank you, bat it. He says, the alpha
male paradox is much much older than you think. In
fourteen eighty five, Sir Mallory wrote, quote thou Wert the

(01:30:20):
meekest man end quote, says Sir Ector to the dead Lancelot.
Is it that Lancelot? It's spelled little bit different, then,
says quote thou Wert, the meekest man that ever ate
in hall among ladies, And thou Wert the sternest knight
to thy mortal foe that ever puts spear in the rest. C. S.
Lewis addressed it extensively in his work on Chivalry. All right,

(01:30:43):
thank you for that, Betty, Adams. Meek doesn't necessarily mean weak, though,
it's more like the hobbits in the Shire. That's what
that's when the saying the meek shall inherit the earth
is is referring to the stout, enduring like the Shire
folks like that. So it's not weakness, that's not weakness.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
But anyway, female sexual fantasies tend to be much more
about power than men's sexual fantasies.

Speaker 6 (01:31:06):
I have noticed, and presumably an imbalance of power.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
Yeah, we're there on the you know, on the weaker side,
and they're you know, some of them are not. I mean,
no one ever wants to be honest about anything. Basically,
lying just dominates every public conversation. But and I'm not
attacking anybody. I've just noticed this because I'm interested. And no,
they're they're all. I don't think we want to be
humanized or ignored or treat like children.

Speaker 6 (01:31:29):
I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Really, And yet that's what's in their fantasy people.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Well, I mean, isn't it also the case And again
I don't read these things, but is it also the
case that in these like fifty Shades of Gray Christian
the sex is violent and everything but there is like
suppose it's like Twilight, like he's he can destroy her,
but he doesn't. So there's like this weird like she

(01:31:55):
she is weaker but has power over him in some way.
Is that not a thing? Like do you know what
I'm saying? Yeah, I mean I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
Yeah, I don't know that sell sex.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
Novels that sell to women are not sexually arousing to
men at all.

Speaker 6 (01:32:11):
I have found. And again they're all about being dominated,
like that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
One caveat to put in there is I'm really bothered
by it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
I just want to be totally clear. I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
I don't like all the weird power dynamic stuff, but whatever,
they like it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
And so he's talking in generalities. Guys, he should have
said not all otherwise we have to stop listening. Mmkay,
I don't think let me see.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
You know what this is good? I mean I think
it's just really quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Yeah, this is this is pretty low key, except for
the end where we started hitting on women's porn habits.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Well, they do talk about how there was something interesting too,
and I could just summarize it, I guess Chris Willilson
makes the point that and he's saying it's because of
me too, but I think this is like before that,
it's not, it's not aftershock of it. But but basically,
like women or me Too has created a situation or
women or feminism or whatever has created a dynamic where

(01:33:16):
men who are probably like more gentle, more probably like
more likely to be like husband and father material because
they are more cooperative, because they are more willing to
try to be you know, listening to women's concerns. That's
what you want in like a life partner. Right. They

(01:33:36):
are not approaching because of me too, because they're listening
to what women said when women said, don't approach us.
So the only men that are approaching are the ones
that don't care yep, the ones that did that. And
they would have done it anyways, right, they would have
done it no matter what. And so women are only
being approached by like you know, dark triad men basically,

(01:33:59):
and the other men, the majority of men, the decent guys,
they're not approaching. He's and we've talked about that on
the show. But Tucker and Chris are realizing that this
is the dynamic that that created. So they're like, this
is the problem because, like, you know, decent guys are
not going to do that. So there is a time

(01:34:22):
code for that. I don't know if you want me
to find it, but but yeah, it's like an hour
and forty six.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
I think I think we're good.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
I think yeah, yeah, I think this is all stuff
we've covered before.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
So this has been very low key.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
I think people have been like I guess they wanted
the fire and we brought the tea.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
I mean, I don't know, like what I don't I
don't know that I could really yell at them for this.
I mean like there's some This isn't like a crazy
feminist saying kill all men. This is just like a
couple of bluepill guys, and they're like, something's wrong. That's it,
Like that's what the video is.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Yeah, basically, no, you're right, you're right. Okay, So I
don't think I have anything more to say. Do you
want to look at anything more? You know what, I'm
going to make an executive decision.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
I'm good, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
I think everybody's in the I think everybody's in like
the Thanksgiving mindset. I'm not sure is it this weekend
Thanksgiving for you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
No, not yet.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Okay, Thanksgiving is the last week of November, which is
two weeks from today.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Well fair enough, fair enough. So I don't know why
it's so quiet, but it is. It's really really quiet.
It's quiet, all right. So I'm going to I'm gonna
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(01:35:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
No, I mean I think that's good. Like I you know,
I watched it and it wasn't as bad as I
thought it was going to be because I've always had
like some criticisms of Chris Williamson, and I still think
that he's not ready to like confront the actual like problem.
He won't he won't go to the women question. But

(01:36:35):
that's okay. I think that it's inevitable, and that's what
I'm saying, Like, this is one of those things that
you're not going to get away from. At some point
you're going to have to confront it and just be
ready for that because it is inevitable. So anyway, but yeah,
I thought it was okay, and so I have I
I would say I have, like did we go into
it when Nick Fuentes was on there and he had

(01:36:57):
a pretty good rent we could look at another time.
I think he's got he's more grounded in what's going
on because Chris Williamson is like older, in good shape
if he's if he's straight, because I'm not really sure
he is, and not that that's a problem, but if
he's straight, he's probably got a woman. And Tucker is
an old gen xer married with kids, So like these

(01:37:18):
guys are not in the world, like they're not experiencing
what's happening. Yeah, people like nick are So I think
that that's why, Like I mean, he's a virgin by choice.
But like you know, I think that the younger guys
are the ones that are really seeing how things are
playing out, and I think that they're probably gonna be
more tuned in. And these guys are backwards and they're like, what,

(01:37:40):
why are you struggling? I didn't struggle, right, But yeah, so,
Dad Williamson, I said, I said, Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Williamson, Chad Williamson, you could show the link. It's not
it's not at all like salacious.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Do you want me to put that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Yeah, it's not really Okay, I'm sure that he would
know if you'd appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
But yeah, this is it like I sent it to you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
This is so gringe rick revenge is and sweet. It's bulletproof.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
Yeah, you could read it like it's this is a
dark romance Roman.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
This is tame. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Yeah, No.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Your way to destroy a man is to take what
he cannot live without. Three years ago, I had everything,
A beautiful wife, a son, a reason for living until
Ruthless Task Force assembled under Mayor Michael Culling? Is that
really the name? With a brutal strategy to make the
streets of Detroit safe, ripped away everything I loved in
a deadly hunt called the Culling Get it because his
name is Michael Culling. They tried to kill me too.

(01:38:37):
I wish they had now I'm cursed by the memories
of that night and the words I whispered to my
dying wife a promise to avenge the wrong, and said
it right. I am no longer nick Rider.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
You know what, Chris, it's wait good name.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
I am no longer nick Ryder. I am a masked vigilante, faceless, loveless, fearless,
a man with nothing left to lose, the one who's
seen the dark and violent truth behind the city's flawless veneer.
Michael Culling doesn't know who I am or what I want.
All he knows is that I kidnapped his beautiful wife
and iye for an eye. Isn't that how the saying goes?

(01:39:13):
And Aubrey Culling is the perfect pawd to destroy him
if she doesn't destroy me first. So it's about a
It's about a vigilantes who kidnaps, kidnaps the wife of
a mayor and is going to use it for revenge.
But she she seduces him or he seduces her, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
The worst part, the cringiest part of this is obviously
not the sex SEXU No.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
By the way, By the way, I forgot to mention this.
I think we should definitely look into this. Okay, there
is a show I think it's on Hulu and it's
called All's Fair. Have you heard about this?

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
In Kardashian I hear it is the worst show show.
I heard it would it would red pill the most
pink haired feminist. This is what I heard, So I
may have to uh try to watch it so that
we could. It's probably hilarious. Like I'm I hear it's

(01:40:19):
very bad Kim Kardashian acting. That's all you need to know.
Oh anyway, yeah, yeah, I think I've said enough.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Okay, all right, okay, well feed the Badger dot com
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that are being suggested. I apologize to Chris william He's
never gonna see this, but you know, this is really tame,
my dude, no doubt, really tame considering what is coming
out in dark romance romance today and it just sounds

(01:40:50):
sort of a little corny. So that's about the only
thing that I would be ashamed of, the slightly large
amount of canned corn in it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
It's not your fault. It's the fall to the office anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Feed the Badger dot com slash just a tip to
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Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Chris Williamson.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Just the story? I don't know, like should this be
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Speaker 7 (01:41:52):
Men's Rite activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
They are talking point machines. They are impossible to deal with,
especially if you have like, especially if you have.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Like a couple of dudes who have good memory. On
top of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked